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Linux Comrade 01/21/2020 (Tue) 16:28:10 No. 52
Why aren't you using Linux? If you are, good job. If not, you better start soon. >Open source vs. Free Software https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html >List of free as in freedom distros approved by the FSF https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html >A really good linux distro that doesn't have systemd, but a fast and simple init/service management system called runit https://voidlinux.org/ - Image credit: By [email protected] Larry Ewing and The GIMP, Attribution, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=80930
i use linux on my pphone
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
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Yeah, I used to be afraid of linux, but, after the switch I am literally never going back. That being said, Debian is the least secure of all of them. Ubutnu has had compromises in the source code that have resulted in people being tracked by amazon and the like. Makes you dink, learn how to compile and install gentoo.
>>55 While I think that gentoo is indeed the best distribution for nearly every purpose, I wouldnโ€™t recommend it to anybody who doesnโ€™t want to invest to much time in their computer. Then again, because I always wanted to do so, I have no idea what that distribution would be.
>>56 Yeah, but, that's kinda of the thing. If you are worried about security then usability comes at a cost. Energy follows the path of least resistance. That's why every fag and their mother uses god damn windows. Cause they are lazy as fuck. Well, that and a massive propaganda campaign in the 90's for windows and against linux.
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Mint Linux gang
>Why Open Source misses the point More like "Why Free Software misses the point" (of the capitalist superstructure) "Free Software" and "Open Source Software" are the same in all, but name, enjoy your Linux "Free Software", backed by your corporate overlords
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>The Linux Foundation >The GNOME Foundation >The Mozilla Foundation But who could be behind this "Free" software? Gotta love your freedumbs, hippies.
>>61 >>60 Oh god who let the geento fag in here.
>>62 Way to miss my point with some irrelevant community of masturbating monkeys Are you enjoying your "grassroot", "organic" Linux distribution? Gotta love all of thoses Red Hat, Canonical, Google, Intel, Novell, etc. "Free as in speech" developpers
Oh right, you can just fork it! Just like you can just start your own communist cooperative! Just fork the means of production bro, just like, copy it bro... forget about the real economy bro... just be free bro...
>>63 >>64 Bro, I am just trying to use something that doesn't cost 150 dollars to install. Right now, that be linux mint.
>>64 http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ Off you go lad, have fun
>>65 >150 dollars to install Just pirate windows lmao, stop being a moralfag.
>>55 >Debian is the least secure of all of them Why? They have a whole team working on security, often patching software before the upstream. It's the only distro to provide official .onion repos as well, so can securely anonymize what OS you're using.
>>57 But Linux is the ultimate lazy way. When I have to do something on Windows I can't believe so many people put up with that shit.
>>61 They integrate what they can't exterminate. Or rather it's way more profitable since it's basically free labour for them.
>>69 Yeah but setting up anything on Linux takes time and understanding.
>>71 You can install something like Mint for grandma and she will find it easier to use than Windows. Those with specific requirements had to learn how to do shit on Windows at one point as well, they just don't want to get even momentarily out of their comfort zone. It's like with politics, people prefer the predictable shittiness of status quo over trying something different.
I can't afford to make a backup.
>>70 Micro$oft is one of many Linux developers , and they are bound to the GNU license, they can implement Linux into windows , but they can not 'own' Linux itself. They don't have and they can never have a monopoly on Linux.
>>74 1. Microsoft and other corps are buying seats at the Linux Foundation board and can now effectively steer where the GNU/Linux world is going by deciding which projects to fund 2. They use GNU/Linux software developed and maintained by free software developers in their products and services which they profit from without paying anyone a dime, other than sponsoring various shit to promote the idea that they're the good guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVHcdgrqbHE Free software was a great thing when it was a genuine community of developers that collaboratively wrote tools for themselves and each other. But now it's being integrated and exploited by the corporate world because it's free labour. Not to mention that even before that the "Open Source" """movement""" and startup/entrepreneurial culture already replaced free software movement to a large extent and made most devs (including Torvalds) spooked about the GPL and its mission. https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-meme-hustler Don't be a naive fanboy and realize things are going slowly to shit.
>>75 So we should move too FOSS is what you are saying?
>>76 I'm saying free software culture itself is now being increasingly incorporated and exploited by tech capital. Of course we should resist this as much as possible, although I'm pessimistic because most of software developers have been brainwashed by neoliberalism and now see things like GPL as too "extremist" and "restrictive". Most of them now dream of becoming successful entrepreneurs with a profitable startup that is going to be bought out by one of the big tech corps. That's how cucked they are. This change of attitude is one thing, the other is the sheer financial power of corps who can now essentially decide which free software projects get to be worked on and in which direction they ought to go. Then there's also the commodification of the community itself, gatherings being transformed into TED talks and sales pitches with expensive entry fees.
>>77 So what can we do? That's a a pretty depressing picture you just painted for me.
>>78 Honestly, I don't really know. It seems to me that users of free software are now actually more critical than the developers. I think it's because they use free software precisely to avoid big tech as consumers, whereas developers are creators and are thus more susceptible to seeing themselves as potential entrepreneurs that can become rich. You can see that with Linux distros. Ubuntu's popularity has actually decreased as it became more corporate, people were really pissed when Canonical partnered up with Amazon to essentially sell your searches. On the other hand the trend of providing software through "app stores" has also reached the Linux world, but I don't know how many people are actually using this. I still think that for a user free software is a good thing, it's just not that radically different anymore.
>>78 install guix
>>77 GPL is liberal >>79 "Linux" was a corporate project from it's inception.
>>80 Maybe after they apologize to Stallman.
>>81 It *was* but torvald opened and freed it and that's why GNU/linux work in conjunction to this day. Understanding the difference between free and open source is important here.
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>>83 You're so high on ideology, so just like the other dense motherfuckers from earlier, I'm not sure you're salvageable. "Free Software" comes from 60's pseudo-socialist hippie movements, which either amounted to nothing or were taken over by: "Open Source", which is the same thing, but accommodated to it's natural corporate setting. Linux (from the 90's) was always a corporate project, because it was funded and developped as such from it's inception. Linux "desktop" advocates are delusional, since it was never meant to be. The only relevant part of the GNU project, it's toolchain, was completely taken over by Red-Hat (now IBM). The rest, like GNOME, Mozilla (Google), KDE, X.org or whatever else have been funded by corporate consortiums for decades. The "free" software "movement" amounted to nothing, because it was not radical, it didn't take into account the fundamentaly industrial base of capitalist production. Now, where is your "free" hardware? Nowhere to be seen, because guess what, actual proles, working on the assembly line, are not hippies, who like to pretend to work for free. From "seizing the means of production" to "building your own means of production", there is only one step, the one of capitalist reproduction. Read Marx instead of listening to liberals like Stallman (try to read his political blog, you'll see his true face), or you will simply waste your life making history repeat itself.
>>84 >"Free Software" comes from 60's pseudo-socialist hippie movements And you know what you are talking about here since you know a lot about these movements from all the Hollywood dreck you have watched. Thank God Hollywood exists outside of capitalism. >Linux (from the 90's) was always a corporate project, because it was funded and developped as such from it's inception. Everybody who is a proper materialist like you knows that it's the original intention of somebody that ultimately causes everything. For example, if I give you something that is not poisonous, but it was my intent to poison you, you will die from that. >Linux "desktop" advocates are delusional, since it was never meant to be. You heard him. Linux as a working desktop OS will remain a pipedream forever.
>>81 >>83 >>84 Linux was Torvald's university project.
>>84 Lol, The freesoftware porject being "Dead" has nothing to do with Freesoftware being important and a controversial topic and has effected the discourse heavily. Thank Stalman for the fact that companies cant create proprietary forks of source code, dweeb. Plus, none of what you said nullifies the actual arguments of people like Stalman nore does it change the fact that there is plenty of free software available today to use; install GNU faggot.
>>85 >>86 >original intention Torvald's original intention was a toy project for his doctorate, but early on, Torvalds was employed by the predecessor of current Linux foundation to continue working on it. >Linux as a working desktop OS will remain a pipedream forever Linux IS a working desktop OS, just like thousands of other toy OS, but is only relevant for what it was designed for, it's corporate setting. >>87 >companies cant create proprietary forks of source code And they still employ wage laborers to work with it and make a profit on top of it, your point? >actual arguments of people like Stalman Tell me about it, some empty rethorics about "freedom" maybe? >there is plenty of free software available today to use Incredible, maybe one day the ones writing thoses softwares will be liberated from wage-slavery, we might even call it "socialism", too bad it only exists in your own imagination.
>>88 >And they still employ wage laborers to work with it and make a profit on top of it, your point? You live under capitalism and yet you participate in it. CURIOUS >Tell me about it, some empty rethorics about "freedom" maybe? More ad-hominems from the retard. >Incredible, maybe one day the ones writing thoses softwares will be liberated from wage-slavery, we might even call it "socialism", too bad it only exists in your own imagination. Any attempt to make things better until this point is bad. t. Sprudo.
>>89 >You live under capitalism and yet you participate in it. It's called lifestylism, and it's the petty-bourg type favorite pastime. You might use Linux because you fooled yourself into thinking it was somehow superior, but don't come saying this is somehow revolutionary praxis. >Any attempt to make things better until this point is bad And how is the working class any better? Most of them don't even know what "Linux" is, simply because it's irrelevant to them.
>>88 >is only relevant for what it was designed for, it's corporate setting. Once again, but without sarcasm: You believe intentions of actors are strong causal factors. That makes you an idealist. How do you even measure relevance in that context? And relevance for whom? Do you even think about what you have been typing here? Free software is relevant to me, as I'm using Linux right now. Do you perhaps think it has low relevance by some measure using money-sum aggregates? Such a measure of relevance would fit well with the rest of your faux radical wankposting. Things friends do for each other also look bad by that measure, power of friendship BTFO I guess, how will power of friendship ever recover. >empty rethorics about "freedom" Last year, Adobe cancelled access to Photoshop etc. in Venezuela: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49973337 Didn't matter one bit whether one was pro-Maduro or in the opposition, it was cancelled for everybody living there. >>90 >And how is the working class any better? Guess how those people in Venezuela have been affected who have been using GIMP for ages instead of Photoshop? Inb4 >Venezuela isn't workers' paradise so none of this matters
>>91 I'm all for using GNU/Linux, I myself refuse to use anything else, but he's right that currently it's kinda lifestylism and ethical consumerism instead of being a political movement with an ambition to changes the rest of society. I have contributed code to the projects that I use, and that's nice and all, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't change the fact that the free software world has been invaded by corporate interests and I could be indirectly helping them with my contributions. All in all, I encourage others to use GNU/Linux but there's a serious need for a critique of where we're going as a community, and I don't see that critique a lot.
>>92 I do it to protect my anonymity, man.
>>93 Bourgeois value
>>94 >Le spooks.
>>95 Stirner was debunked by Marx.
>>96 >Thinking stirner and marx cannot compliment eachother and that some how keeping my self safe on a public space that was not designed for anonymity is some how "bourgeois values" If that is the case i'll be taking your SS number, ID Number and Copy of your birth certificate, please. Fucking dumb ass larpers. Fuck off back to reddit, LOL.
>>96 There's a reason that was only posthumously published.
>The Free Software ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The Electronic Frontier ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The Document ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The X.Org ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The Software in the Public Interest ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The Freedesktop ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The Linux ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The FreeBSD ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The GNOME ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The Wikimedia ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The Xiph.Org ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The Perl ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ >The Mozilla ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธFoundation๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ All of them incorporated either in New York or San Francisco, I'm starting to see a pattern here...
Behold.. the Californian ideology brought to its natural conclusion: http://quotes.cat-v.org/economics http://quotes.cat-v.org/politics
So I am curious actually I never actually used linux but seeing some discussion in this thread, microsoft and other tech giants bought seats in the linux foundation. So what are we seeing is more corporate distos of linux or what had already happen fismantlingnehat made linux, linux and having everything incorporated into windows? Shouldnt we be fighting against more corporate control and centeralization?
>>101 You didn't read. Linux was always corporate, Microsoft choosing to embrace it is merely a recent phenomenon. >fighting against more corporate control Yes, I suppose you should just vote with your wallet.
>>101 It just means that they won't be sued for GPL violation.
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Some GNU/Linux distros simply work, are secure and provide anonymity. This is what revolutionaries need.
>>104 Seconding this.
>>104 Last time I tried to instal qubes it went fucking crazy; Don't know if it is stable yet
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>>104 You forgot Tails.
>>107 lmao the fuck are you whining about? Feel free to use your proprietary datamining OSes all you want. Doesn't mean I or other security-aware socialists will.
>>56 Guix has nearly all the upsides of gentoo for 1/10th the time investment
>>61 >the Free Software Foundation OH NO
>>78 The answer was to have licensed everything as AGPL3 from the beginning. Corporations make a profit off of free software because they use it to host all their proprietary webservices. Of course, the only way to fix it now is to go back into the past, which is impossible. Now the BSDs are around and a rich legacy of GNU software under an attractive license exists, any extreme licensing change would prompt an enormous backlash from all the companies who make most of the contributions (in the case of the linux kernel, a license change would be literally impossible). They would immediately fork any project that attempted to change the license and you would be left in the dust lacking most of your former developer power.
>>84 >Now, where is your "free" hardware? Nowhere to be seen, because guess what, actual proles, working on the assembly line, are not hippies, who like to pretend to work for free. Do you actually believe the "free" in "free software" is referring to "zero cost"?
>>90 >>94 I hope you get V& by the government because you insisted on using Windows to lord it over the "lifestylist" linux users.
>>111 "Foundation" means funded by porkies, retard.
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They're born every minute.
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>>113 >Do you actually believe the "free" in "free software" is referring to "zero cost"? This is why the word free software needs to be abandoned and replaced with the use of the word libre software RMS is not going to single handedly rewrite the English language. with this out of the way. >>84 >>61 This is my first time posting here and after reading the garbage you have written someone needs to put you into your place. Unless you are a Utopian pipe dream anarchists this is how life works tell me how in your utopia will software be developed? Is everyone going to write their own OS from zero? unless this is your argument there will always be organizations who control or have over represented power in the development of some software. Yes GNU/free software movement/whatever people are delusional if they seriously believe their own propaganda about some grounds up organic movement fairy tail. If the USSR existed today and was making GPL software the polit biuro would decide what exactly is written and give the money. And there is nothing wrong with this! Because unless you are a Utopian anarchists you realize organizations will always assemble themselves and some organizations will have more power then others. And individualistic crap like Utopian anarchism will never exist because organizations are more effective then individuals. This is simply how reality works. The point of the GPL is that EVERYONE can fork the code and make his own distro. THIS IS THE POINT! Not that some corporation contribute code. Because everyone can fork this code and remove all the bad things the corporation placed there (like spyware). You try to do this with proprietary software. The point is that even small organizations can fork the code. For example Linux mint is literally Ubuntu minus amazon spyware. So what is your argument? That walking 1KM is terrible because it takes a lot of time so everyone should walk 50KM ??? You try to legally remove the bad things from windows 10 (unremovable spyware named cortana) and contrast how easy it is to remove spyware form GPL OS like Ubuntu. Yes it takes a team to do it only people can do it and Canonical can go suck a dick because once the code is GPL it is GPL FOREVER! Meaning they can not come back and demand their code back we keep all the good driver software and remove the spyware, canonical can enjoy its dwindling markershere and profits. The same happened with Open Office.org Oracle did think it can take GPL code make their own thing and introduce crapware, people did say no forked the code and made Libre office now Libre office dominates and Open Office.org is a marginal thing if not abandoned. EVERY HUMAN has the code Oracle made FOREVER! Oracle can not demand their code back! This is the idea of the GPL. WE Have the code and Oracle lost time and money writing the code for Open Office.org how can you paint this as a bad thing? This is the ENTIRE IDEA OF THE GPL! See the 1KM VS 50KM example. Its far easier to fork the code and remove the bad parts then to write the code from ZERO! This is a eternal battle however its great, all you need to remember is to keep up to date and switch to the new good fork of this software. It's not like its la-la land forever once we have the GPL. The GPL is a tool to fight corporate tyranie. >>77 >commodification What a retarded meme, why should I care about that. I have the Oracle code and Oracle lost man hours and money developing it with no return. >>61 <Microsoft using GPL code bad. There is a reason Ballmer called linux a cancer and libre GPL the greatest threat of all times. Because you seam not to understand this goes both ways. Lets take browsers for example 99% of all browsers in use are GPL. The main ones are Chromium and FireFox or forks of one of these 2. THIS IS A GOOD THING. Because while other proprietary browsers try to exists they can not. Most of the time developing new code for a browser takes time so its a waist of money to develop a new browser from ZERO since you can not use GPl code even once. Then to simply fork a existing GPL browser. This is why I doubt proprietary browsers will ever come back. Sure you can make one from ZERO or from age old code like Internet Explorer however it requires shit loads of money. The same happening to OSs is also a good thing. I mean even Edge from Microsoft uses chromium code and there is Linux code in windows now. You can bitch and moan about exploration of free laubour however the truth is that everyone can take this code and use it while proprietary code can not be used. This is far better for everyone then proprietary code that NO ONE use (excluding getting super special permissions from the owners) And all modifications of the GPL code MUST be licensed under the GPL themselves. This is not BSD where a corporation can just take code and not give back the modifications. Everyone can disagree with the pro-capitalist notion of the GPL or that GPL only makes sense in a society where computer code is under copyright. However this is the world we live in and the GPL makes things better for everyone. How will software development look in your utopia? No seriously answer this. I see this like this after the revolution in a USSR like state government combines will be tasked with developing software (there is no way around this organization) The code will be GPL or what will in essence be GPL under these conditions, everyone can take the code and do with it whatever he wants. <Muh Linux code not secure What retardation let me tell you something NO CODE is secure. Not one OS follows real safety procedures and for all intense and purposes every program gets admin privileges to run and can seriously harm you. This is not a problem. Anything connected to the internet can be considered infected. Look air gaping. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gap_(networking) Every software is crap and insecure, want to prevent this? Get a offline computer and think 10 times before plugging anything into your offline computer. Every code proprietary and libre has exploits. Grow up. Want to see something really frightening? If you know anything about electrical devices you realize that anyone can shut down the entire power in 1 building by plunging in a specially configured peace of electrical device. Any electrical socket and all fuses will be shut down. Think 10 times before plugging anything into your offline computer. The funny part is that it takes literal minutes to modify any electrical appliance to shut down all fuses.
>>117 lmao at your 1000 words strawman, freetards truly are a lost bunch
>>118 Not him but >writing 1000word hilariously long masters degree rant about how GPL rules >writing "u stoopid haha" In comparison, >>117 looks better.
>>115 Get out Das Kapital and tell me where Karl Marx said a nonprofit funded by donations is exploiting my wage labor.
>>118 Imagine shilling for proprietary spyware.
>>359 He'll be consoomed by the botnet
>>55 what about the lack of videogames tho?
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TECH COMRADES I NEED HELP I'm trying to install a linux distro (slackel) to be able to boot to a USB thumbstick right now. I'm computer literate, but I don't know anything about command lines and stuff. How do I install it to the thumbstick from Windows 10 (current OS)? I tried using the program 'rufus' that came with the ISO, but that didn't work. I don't know why. Please help and 'Don't laugh' (pls).
>>405 >I tried using the program 'rufus' that came with the ISO, but that didn't work. I don't know why. Screentshot us the settings you tried to use with rufus comrade
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>>406 This is what it looks like but even when it says the operation is complete I still can't boot from the USB itself.
>>407 If you're computer is a newer one you might need to deliberately select the EFI option for Target System
>>408 I think i've got it working now, but what does 'MBR' and 'GPT' mean in the 'Partition Scheme' drop-down?
>>405 Same anon, back again. I got it working (I think) except for internet access. I've got an wired ethernet connection but I can't figure out how to connect to it. I don't know how to do command line stuff and I can't post images here (using Windows to access the internet). Any help is appreciated.
>>415 Wait, you can't figure out how to connect with a wired ethernet cable? It should just work with a wired connection. Is this your first linux distro? Bad choice for a first distro. You may need to update: Pull up the terminal and type: sudo apt-get update Let the package list update Then do sudo apt-get upgrade
>>415 >>422 They're using slackel http://www.slackel.gr/forum/about.htm Here lad this should get you started https://www.computerhope.com/unix/uifconfi.htm
> mfw installing Arch after just sticking with Ubuntu for years
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>>526 Is this your face?
>>527 Pretty much
>>527 I am not ashamed to admit I am a brainlet. I tried to install arch after using Debain for years and years and just couldn't move that mountain.
>>529 It's pretty easy to install it if you read the manual and know what you're doing. The first times i tried i failed because i wasn't reading the manual very well, but now i can install it with a little help from the manual, although i don't use it anymore.
>>529 There are unofficial installers for it. I'm a fan of https://www.anarchylinux.org/
>>529 Don't worry, just like any communist grows out of ML-ism, eventually arch users grow up and return to Debian.
>>554 *Devuan
>>554 *Solus
Never use a distro that uses systemd as its init system. It's buggy and a security vulnerability, also it is completely controlled by a corporation.
>>554 what tendency hates ML and also hates people being allowed to pick their favorite distro
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using Alpine Linux rn, set it up yesterday. very small and light, good for my shitty Intel Celeron from 2012 and four gigs of RAM. also apparently very secure. no systemd, it uses openrc which is tight as fuck. I also installed dwm, dmenu, and st (for that anal-retentive aesthetic). (buggy udhcpc though. pain in the ass setting up yesterday.)
>>593 anti-systemd people are so boring show me what part of the source makes systemdick have such security vulnerabilities
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>>596 t. Lennart
>>599 kek
because i use BSD
>>596 the fact that it's ten times the size of any other init system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_surface
>>609 >Berkeley Succdem Distribution
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>>619 Move aside, prole. Berkeley Succubus Dominatrix
>>618 I know it violates unix philosophy and its size is regrettable but to actually move people from systemd to an alternative, you have to show what is wrong with it without uttering "muh bloat" which does not matter to regular people whatsoever
>>625 b-based
>>625 the best part about it is that the freebsd logo is an actual demon, so there's precedent
>>626 Linux users will make their choices based on considerations such as "is this bloated or not". Windows and Mac users maybe won't. That's the main reason why some people avoid systemd: the Linux community encourages people to give a shit about what they put in their boxes.
>>629 "Linux users" are not some homogenous hivemind. Nonetheless, the most popular distros use systemd so those who use them obviously don't give a shit.
>>630 I never claimed that all Linux users agree on this, and you didn't read my post.
I don't know why people hate systemd but have no problem with xorg. It's even more bloated and insecure but most of these "minimalist" fags have no problem using it with their window manger.
>>633 I think there are a lot of people who can tell you that Xorg is shit but haven't migrated out. Xorg being shit is common knowledge but there just hasn't been enough push to replace it with something. (is wayland good for that? or do you have a different recommendation)
>>634 >(is wayland good for that? or do you have a different recommendation) Wayland is usable now. Some applications have bugs but for the most part it works fine. It even works with video games. The only working implementations are Sway (which is a copy of i3) and Gnome. Sway works fine without systemd. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Sway .
>>633 I used wayland with kde a month or so ago, it was pretty buggy, had to return to xorg.
Linux newfag here. I've been meaning to switch over from Windows for a while and thanks to being laid off because of the epidemic I have plenty of free time to fuck around now. I'm thinking about running Mint Cinnamon in a VM to get a feel for it and then trying a dual boot. Hope this sounds like an alright approach; I read that Mint is a good starter distro for Windowsfags.
>>657 Oh absolutely. In your first 'period' of switching just get comfy with the new set of free/open source tools at your disposal. There are a landslide of alternatives for your previous uses, but I'd recommend with sticking to GNOME/GTK vs KDE/Qt sets generally. One example is Gnome-MPV, a nice GNOME front-end for the very minimal MPV video player (the front-end gives the option for fast-forwarding videos, among other things). Don't be afraid of using command-line interface (CLI) and searching the web for guides / tips & tricks; literally anything can be done via CLI and the web has an answer for any trouble you run into. Recommended CLI tools: ffmpeg (for converting let's say an .mp4 to a .webm), youtube-dl (lets you download video and audio files from many websites, not only youtube.com) and torsocks (routes your CLI-www traffic through tor for anonymization of your legally dubious traffic of getting free albums from YouTube(tm)...in a video game). A practical example: sudo apt get install torsocks youtube-dl ffmpeg torsocks -i youtube-dl --extract-audio --audio-format mp3 https://youtu.be/p3G5IXn0K7A >torsocks sends it via tor (make sure the URL has https) >-i manually switches tor circuit >youtube-dl --extract-audio --audio-format mp3, like you could've guessed, extracts the audio from the given video of which is often an .mp4, with the help of ffmpeg, and leaves you with an .mp3!
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Same poster as >>405 I gave up on that distro (couldn't figure out the network interface), but I still want to use a good Linux distro to get away from Windows spyware. I was considering installing Quebes OS since I want to have as much peace of mind as possible while using my PC. Considering i'm totally new to linux and have no experience with the command line, is this a good choice? If not, what is a quality distro for privacy-concerned anons like myself? Thanks in advance!
>>659 QubesOS isn't a beginners distro, you'll need to learn GNU+Linux before installing it. Try Mint. For anonymity and privacy check out Tails, although it's on a live usb.
>>662 Gnyu pwuss winux uwu
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Satan /GET/
>>666 That face
>>666 my heart goes out to you, satan
(Same anon as >>659 and >>405 I finally got Mint up and running after some trial and error! I must say, although it's my first time using it, I feel this is was better than Windows (10) with all the hassle that posed when I first started using that some 4 years ago (no copy protection bullshit, for one). Thanks for the motivation to take the leap, everyone!

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