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Comrade 09/02/2019 (Mon) 23:10:12 No. 3336
This thread is about creating software to help workers organize.
As per >>602 and >>>/leftypol/51843
Current idea is to make software to organize unions, whatever that might be.
This is a repost of >>602.
Some ideas:
Similar to how people can make subreddits, or how on 8ch people could make boards, in this app, people could make syndicates.
The syndicates would be anarcho-syndicalist style (like voting and shit) to prevent monopolization of power that happens in syndicates today.
Not a syndicalist (or anarchist) myself, but I figured this could really help people organize and express their frustrations to other workers.
Possibly, syndicates could join with other syndicates in "federations" of syndicates, so like people who work in telephone industries could band together and hold a joint strike, for example.
Speaking with a leftist lawyer, he suggested that the app could include a section on labor rights/laws. I thought it was a good idea.
This app could be named SyndiCat (ENG) or SindiGato (ESP), and could have a wild cat as the logo. Don't really care about this, just liked it when it occurred to me.
"Union fees" could be asked from users to pay for dev+server+services costs. Otherwise, advertising would be an easier option. If it's decided to go the union-fees route, I think it's important to consider third-world purchase power, as 1 USD is not a lot in the US but considerably more in other places, especially if they're unbanked.
There would need to be an "MVP" kind of thing. The basic product would need auth. A chat probably (or a forum like function). Some voting functions.
After that, things could get fancy, like initiating a vote for a new delegate. Federations of syndicates. Labor laws section pertaining to user's locality. Kicking out users of the syndicate.

What this would need:
- A backend
- An android front end (since I live in a third world and most workers don't have iPhones).
- Theory (anarcho syndicalist?)
- Marketing (this would probably be expensive)

Some other considerations:
- Could attract right wing terrorists and allow them to organize (not probable, but possible)
- Bosses could infiltrate syndicates

Right now I'm really busy with work, but I've been learning front-end dev recently on my free time (much much more experienced building back-ends), hopefully I'll get some time to develop this idea more fully.
(repost of feedback on the other thread)
>syndicates could join with other syndicates in "federations" of syndicates, so like people who work in telephone industries could band together and hold a joint strike, for example (…) Some voting functions.
Whether mass action works out doesn't depend much on the idea for an action, but on how many people are doing it. Usually, the smaller the group, the higher the risks and the bigger the sacrifice per person. What is scary on a small group scale becomes a triviality at another. When I think about doing something like a strike or blocking traffic, I always immediately worry about the probable group size as well. Yet, all I have ever been asked is to think about whether I like some idea becoming reality, and then to commit myself to a very unclear burden and risk.

When taking a vote on mass action, the answer options should really look like this:
() against
() will participate if at least ___ other people do
Alright, let's discuss some social issues about software adoption first.
Just like >>603 said, the smaller the group, the higher the risks; and he's totally right about that. For one, in my country at least, the worker's union are hostile and corrupt, and would actively try to sabotage the software by spreading FUD about it. A solution about this would be aligning with already existing left-wing movements such as the biggest communist party of a country or similar. This however would probably result in sectarianism and possibly scare non-communist workers (which isn't really the idea). However, this seemed to work for some unrelated apps, like Meetup[1], a quote: "Meetup was originally intended to focus on hobbies and interests, but it was popularized by Presidential hopeful Howard Dean.". Another way would be to focus on an specific group that would be more likely to give the app a chance, maybe socialist programmers?

As for the structure of the app itself, I like Delta Chat[2]'s approach to decentralization using already existing services (email) and encryption. Most people already have email accounts and it could ease the "registration" process. Another thing to think about is personal data. Would we need data like full names, identity documents and so on? It could potentially scare people off.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meetup#Early_history
[2] https://delta.chat/en/
I think the app basically has to be anonymous. Something like Blind[1] but that doesn't require "confirmed" corporate emails. Those are too easy to fake and many (most?) office workers don't even have corporate emails.
Perhaps something like a web of trust [2]? There could also be something like "rings" of trust. Kind of like an IRC room. Like if you have low trust in a group, you can only be in the lobby. More trust, you can join the general chat. More trust and you can vote. If this "trust" concept is anonymous, it could make it easy to boot scabs (proles who betray the union), without personal repercussions. For example, if a manager forces you to add them to the Union, the manager would still need to gain everybody's trust. And easily, the person who originally added the manager, could anonymously de-trust them at a later point without the manager knowing that the employee did this.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_(app)
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust (this deals with certs (and maths), but I'm just using it as an example of the concept).
I might be able to get a big-ish syndicate to tell it's members to try it out... I at least have access to their leadership and they're overall based, so who knows, they might agree to it.
I like the concept of anonymity but I don't like how easy it is to
abuse it (spam/raids). Maybe something like number liking, Like Telegram and WhatsApp do? I don't know how anonymous would that actually be but it's worth looking into. This would also ease the registration, it being virtually non-existing.
perhaps you can only get invited to syndicates.
there's some power in anonymity. When I was trying to agitate at work, I was really pulling my punches because I didn't want to get flagged as "problematic" by management. If, somehow, management manages to infiltrate the syndicate, people shouldn't fear being explicitly exposed, IMO.
We could do the whatsapp telegram thing anyways, but still have anonymous chat?
>We could do the whatsapp telegram thing anyways, but still have anonymous chat?
That would be the best option, but I don't know how anonymous it truly is, tho I think telegram kinda achieves it
we would need funding for this. and, it would be nice to get paid for this work.

Do you tech literate anons have thoughts on this? >>>/leftypol/100845
How the fuck did you manage to link the thread without reading the first reply in it? It's been already answered.
LabourStart is good, but the OP goes into more than just collecting the news.
>Is there some kind of database where you can look up activities of the labor movement and/or public agitation? If not, shouldn't there be?
>For instance, it would be useful to be able to see at a glance what companies have workers on strike or a map showing where civil unrest is spreading.
>I mean something along the line of the Syrian Civil War Map but for anything globally from strikes, to riots, to "socialists" winning elections even. And of course have a map showing spheres of influence.
This is a different sort of question. I don't get the hostility, m8.
this could be a good idea for the IWW.
email to them, explain the idea, maybe they can give you some money to start the project.
You can set the country you want the news from at the bottom. You can put a map under it if that's what you want. For example, here's Switzerland:
They even have RSS so you have less scraping to do:
There's really nothing stopping OP from doing what she wants other than being a useless ideaguy who's too lazy to do any research themselves. They had the perfect resource available to them but they chose to ignore it. I say they can go and fuck themselves.
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>anon posts question/suggestion
>make passive aggressive insults without explaining why
>anon asks why
>"go fuck yourself"
If you actually think this matters and is a good answer, why are you bothered by someone bringing it up again so that other people could see the site?
If you're satisfied with labourstart good for you. This is a discussion board. This thread is for talking about developing tools to help organize labor. I bumped this thread because after the merge I wanted more people to see it. I included a post from /leftypol/ because I thought it might be useful for discussion to keep the topic going. Why are you here?
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>I bumped the thread to advertise my idea but ignored the obvious solution to it because I am too lazy to actually do anything about it
I bumped the thread to bump the thread, but I figured if I added something besides "bump" it would be more likely to get replies. I guess I was right, but not how I expected.


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