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Comrade 04/13/2020 (Mon) 19:31:41 No. 1059
Give me one reason that pos editor emacs is better than this bad boy right here? you can't
It simply is.
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Vim all day erry day, Vim gang represent. if a normie cannot figure how to exit Vim, it's because they have been deemed unworthy to exit Vim by the Holy Moolenaar, and need to spend more time practising the keybindings.
Both are hipsters bashing their hands with hammers because it's cool. t. Nano master race
>>1066 I've heard of nano. I have never actually used it though. What's so special about it?
>>1070 It's good when XOrg crashes and you want to edit some config files without having to learn vim keybindings.
>>1071 it's true that, if you are inexperienced, nano is the best and easiest thing to use. then again, nobody uses training wheels in the Tour de France, and there's no reason to use nano if you have the time and patience to learn vim.
>>1072 Lol, I am new to comp sci, so, what you are saying is: I am learning how to ride a bike on the Tour de France?
>>1072 Or, I could just install VSCode and actually do something instead of wasting my time with vim.
>>1078 VSCode is proprietary software, stay away from it unless.
Have you ever actually extended vim yourself? I mean actually writing something in VIMScript or whatever else it uses. In emacs it is amazingly easy. At work I have some work specific commands that make my life so much easier and my colleagues amazed.
>>1079 >proprietary Literally doesn't matter since capitalists control all big open source projects through 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸Foundations🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸.
>>1082 Of course it matters, don't look for silly excuses. Using proprietary software is a completely different social relation than using free software.
>>1083 I think you also have to emphasize that free means Free in the sense of "This product is not beholden to anyone outside sources and is free to be edited, forked, and recreated by any and all users" as oppsed to "lol it costs no monies." >>1079 I love the fact I don't even know what VScode is.
>>1093 >VSCode Visual studio code
>>1097 Lol, oh that? My old friend used to use that. I could never imagine using something like that, lol. It's just ugly.
Take the kakounepill.
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>>1073 mane I'm just asking you to get around to learning how to ride a bike without training wheels. vim's ability to streamline the process of editing text files is so fun once you get the hang of it. >>1081 I mean, I suppose it never occurred to me to do so. maybe it has to do with different use patterns between vim and emacs; I personally find the default keybindings to be powerful enough as they are, which is why I like vim. >>1078 pic related
>>1103 >it never occurred to me to do so This alone is proof that vim is inferior to emacs.
>>1104 it's proof that people who like extensibility generally use emacs and people who like powerful defaults generally use vim. if anything, it's proof that vim covers its bases well.
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>>1105 I doubt there's many people out there using vim without installing some extensions. I know most hardcore vim users stuff their vim choking full of plugins and whatnot. It just never occurs to them to fit the tool to their concrete use-cases since programming vim is such a pain in the ass. Using emacs is a completely different mindset, one where the tool you use is not a constraint, but an opportunity.
>>1108 >editing a config file is a pain in the ass. The difference between vim and emacs users.
>>1111 It is not about choosing from predefined options, but actually extending its behaviour. That you believe the former to be the sole possibility is testament to the constraints vim imposed on your poor brain.
I really don't care about its features or of others. The best and only thing great about vim is the syntax highlighting, and system-wide config out of the box. So when you start editing something in /etc/X11 is automatically uses the respective syntax for Xorg .conf files; This works in a lot of places, including the config file for various package managers and even systemd related configs if you happen to use it. No other editor has this, let alone installed by default. I use dark meadow and it looks awesome everywhere. If it wasn't for this, then i would use busybox vi.
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>>1118 Embarrassing display.
>>1119 freetard mad lmao
>>1118 The compiler has nothing to do with the editor.
>>1122 What I meant was that the vimtard was still configuring his editor while boomer already finished writing code, and pressed the compile button.
Lmfao, pathetic VS fags trying to cope with being absolute brainlets who can't even work around a basic configuration file && so they give up their security in order to be lazy plebs. Absolute state of Micro$oft fags right now.
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>>1124 >N-NO YOU CAN'T FOCUS ON BEING PRODUCTIVE YOU HAVE TO WASTE TIME CONFIGURING MY SUPERIOR GAHNOO-FREE-AS-IN-FREEDOM SOFTWARE
>>1123 Oh, I get it now. I probably couldn't comprehend it before because it is such an unlikely situation. I don't think anything like this would ever happen in practice.
>>1059 Guile is pretty dank, if I could be bothered I'd fork neovim and replace all the vimscript with it and have the best of both worlds.
>>1126 Lmfao, it literally takes two seconds, bro. You mean to tell me you can program international satellite survalience systems for the CIA but you can't edit a config file? Of productivity is your argument o have bad news for you because him is more productive by light years.
>>1137 Imagine wasting ENTIRE two seconds of your life configuring shit. Lmao what a cuck.
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if it's just a question of "duh, I fucking hate putting in a single drop of effort more than is necessary" then just use nano, or notepad++, or even Eclipse or something if you're really a massive fagooli about it. just don't use proprietary Micro$hit. have some fucking respect for yourself.
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>>1145 >>1146 >muh proprietary Ah yes, I exclusively use proprietary software, how could you tell?
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>>1147 I could tell from your Eglin Air Base IP. suck cocks in hell, glowfaggot.
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>>1148 >YOU'RE LITERALLY CIA ok schizo
>>1149 Literally a glow faggot shilling for tesla on bunkerchan of all places. Is this ban worthy?
>>1151 it should be, but this bait is weak and so there's little harm or displeasure in dicking with this moron.
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>>1151 >>1152 >being this mad over truth FREETARDS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>1153 maybe if you continue on calling freetards you will surely win How is he glowing birther than a fucking quasar.
>>1155 how much you wanna bet he thinks that turning off telemetry is too much effort, and being spied on by Bill Gates is based and redpilled?
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>>1154 >>1155 >>1156 >disabling telemetry I'm not a GNU/pedo, I have nothing to hide. Literally only pedos and other criminals worry about that, which one are you?
>>1155 Lmfao, VS runs telemetry?
>>1157 my point proven in the most perfect possible way. go back to whatever shithole website you crawled out of, you microcephalous mongoloid.
>>1160 >shilling proprietary software literally nothing wrong with that lmao. This post was made using proprietary browser on a proprietary OS.
>>1161 I use free and open source, m8. And, yes, there's a lot wrong with shilling out tesla on here and shit that spies on people. You know where you are and you know that most people aren't going to be tolerant of that. You are literally advertising spyware. At least present an actual argument. I am not of the understanding that allowing VS to literally spy on me an sell me to corporations is worth a slight convenience as far as not having to compile; as opposed to actually learning how these things work and getting involved in them and doing the work yourself. Frankly I think that is a better pay off than just being lazy and allowing yourslelf to literally get spied on because you are too lazy too type out gcc x.c -o x
>>1118 >>1120 >>1123 >>1126 >>1138 >>1147 >>1149 >>1153 >>1157 >>1161 >shilling corporate software this hard lmao fedcucks on suicide watch
>>1059 >control+f evil >0 results Vim is a vastly superior grammar and Emacs is the best editor out there. Use emacs with vim key bindings. If you're not a seasoned emacs user, use spacemacs, it is the best config out there by a large margin, super easy to set up. Of course, when it asks you to use Vim bindings, say yes. You can work out of it later. After you get the hang of it, learn some basic org mode stuff too, that shit is pretty cool. I don't know a single thing about latex, yet I produce very nicely formatted documents all the time. If you use emacs with emacs key bindings, start using evil mode. Vim is great and an excellent skill to have for ez pz remote editing. tl;dr use spacemacs, best of both worlds.
>>1158 It's made by Micro$oft, so it would be weird if it wasn't.
>>1167 I have literally never heard of spacemacs in my entire life.
>>1167 I'm a vim partisan myself, but curious and open to change that. can you sell me on emacs with vim keybindings? what would I be gaining from this change?
>>1176 The vim environment is utter shit. Neovim is a step up, but still utter and complete shit. Finding good plugins is nothing more than a bunch of macros, that work shoddily and are single featured at best. Emacs, as you might have heard, is done in a lisp dialect, which is irrelevant to me because I don't give a fuck. What it means though, is that it has a much much much better plugin system. There are so many programs for doing a bunch of shit. Like I was using emacs to take notes on a book I was reading. I had the PDF open on one side (in emacs) and on the other side I had notes that were being linked to the pages. I then exported my notes to a latex generated pdf. I don't know any emacs lisp, or know one bit of latex. I can't even consider myself a "beginner" emacs user, nor a vim user. I'm very much a novice because I don't care so much about this shit. I like haskell, and I like nice fonts. I had a couple of hickups, but it wasn't terribly hard to install hasklig, which is a nice font that makes ligatures, such as `=>` into a nice arrow. Better yet, it only activates with haskell files. Whenever I want to start developing in a new environment, I look up the spacemacs "layers". They are chock full of features, bindings, programs. I don't even know how this shit works, nor do I care. To install a "layer" you simply put whatever the layer name is in a config file, refresh the config, and spacemacs installs a bunch of shit to give you a pretty banging experience in whatever the layer is for. Just check out all the layers that are available, click one you are interested in and skim the features they come with: https://www.spacemacs.org/layers/LAYERS.html Let me clarify, I fucking hate emacs bindings. There are some occasional hickups with vim stuff, but overall it works pretty much the same (there are some convenient differences, like `sorround` check the docs). In summary, spacemacs is THE deving experience. It gives you a pretty great environment from the get-go, that you can then modify to your liking. It has a shit ton of already made "layers" that you can use and modify to your liking. The plugin system actually works, if that's your thing. Any new emacs user that is hellbent on using emacs bindings should still choose spacemacs. Any new vim user should hands down use spacemacs with evil mode.
>>1185 > is done in a lisp dialect, which is irrelevant to me because I don't give a fuck. You are missing out.
>>1185 Fucking Vim cowards. I want to see you trying out spacemacs a week from now.
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Wow, this thead is like visiting /g/ all over again. Either way, vi is ok, vim is useless to invest time into. If you want to know how to edit files, anywhere (including over a bad network connection) quickly, knowing some vi is nice. 0 configuration, and it takes a day max to get used to the modal workflow. But if you start extending, consider Emacs. It's built from the start with the idea that users should be able to understand what is going on, and change it if they want to. But it's not necessary.
I prefer Emacs over Vim because it's basically an infinitely extensible playground. You can modify the behavior of the editor itself by evaluating a Emacs Lisp s-expression inside of it, while it's running, it's pretty crazy. There is no other editor with such a sheer amount of functionalities. Richard Stallman is a genius. Vi(m) is definitely worthwhile to learn too. Personally, I know enough of the basics to quickly edit a file, but I can't get into the modal mindset. I prefer keyboard chord sequences to edit text on the fly, it's faster for me. Once you have memorized the key sequences, it's very pleasant. Both are good to learn, both will still be relevant for a long ass time, just like C/Unix and Lisp will. They are well-designed boomer editors who stood the test of time.
I use geany
>>1078 >VSCode Just popped in to say, I'm calling it now, you're the idiot hotpocket in the /leftypol/ thread that keeps trying to make it about muh free software vegan lifestylism strawman rather than discussing the substantive points. Have a nice day. he does it for free
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>>1415 fuck vegans fuck linux fuck free software fuck open source fuck gahnoo and most importantly... fuck jannies that's all
If you want to spam soyjaks, fuck off to /g/. Moreover, arguing against free software is anti-communist and against imageboard e
>>1416 Oh, how nice to see, it's the incelanon
>>1416 Imagine being that butthurt because you can't install GNU/Linux and because you can't program in C.
>>1435 >install GNU/Linux I'm not shitting up my gaming computer, thank you. Tbh I even if it was worse I still wouldn't shit it up with gahnoo/leenecks. >can't program in C only crngelords and trannies code in C. Ganhoonigs can't change my mind.
>>1416 You sound ever so slightly miffed. Also, your beloved ubermensch leader was a vegetarian and a failed liberal arts student.
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>>1437 He is automatically based for making proprietary software, thus causing massive butthurt in gahnootards, which lasts till this day. It's impossible to be more based, you can't change my mind.
>>1438 >America is "based" because it has capitalism, which BTFOs muh communists who just can't STAND having to suffer injustices Kys, fag. Proprietary software is the product of predatory capitalism. Your "arguments" (if they can even be considered arguments) are bourgeois in that they promote sheer luxury over freedom. Not only that, they are shallow and weak in that you have no hands-on experience with any FOSS software or OSes (as you have so diligently detailed before). All in all, when you kiss your anime body pillow good night, think about how your life could've been if you weren't such a fucking disappointment
>>1437 what anime is this
>>1436 Why don't you go back to https://boards.4channel.org/g/ ? There are the """chads""" who love sucking corporate cock on daily basis.
>>1443 アナと雪の女王 iqdb.org -> Source URL -> https://bunkerchan.xyz/.media/3a117d68cda7328e366b6c5d6528eb3d-imagepng.png
>>1443 Coco
>>1452 Very cute picture.
This thread just demonstrates the undialectical thinking, and theoryletism of /tech/bros. VIM PLUS EMACS Spacemacs The contradiction was overcome. Welcome to the 21st fucking century.
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>>1442 >>1445 Oh yes, I do support predatory capitalism, how could you tell?
Pls stop replying to the local retard guys. Vim gang, it's the easiest way to just open and edit files I don't see any real reason to change it out for emacs
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>>1467 >he unironically uses open source software
>>1468 Bunkerchan uses lynxchan, which is open-source. Are you frightened yet?
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>>1470 I'm not using lynxchan, jannies are you fucking retard
I use micro cause it's easier to config and use than vim or emacs.
>>1471 I use arch, it doesn't break when you update lel
There was a period when i was learning vim, then i switched to geany and then emacs. Vim isn't good for editing latex, since i am not native english i must frequently switch languages and that made editing in vim a pain, geany is good, but i think if i learn emacs i can do more within less time.
>>1484 Why don't you think vim is good for editing latex? that's what I primarily use it for as a math fag,
>>1485 I can't use the shortcuts (ie. i, u etc) if my keyboard isn't in english and i can't save fast because i have to write in my native language on latex, switching the language every time to save the document is a pain(when i want to save i have to press escape and :w, so it has to be on english keyboard).
>>1486 You could remap shortcuts to translate them to your keyboard layout. Maybe there exists a vim plugin that automates this for you.
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