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/e-celeb/ internet personality general Anonymous 08/19/2019 (Mon) 02:05:14 No. 34286 [Reply]
Edit: This is now the containment thread for breadtubers and other assorted liberal grifters, including but not limited to contrapoints, chapotraphouse, destiny, vaush, noncompete.

Why are radlibs and anarkiddies so popular on youtube?
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>>36856
keep us updated so we can help out
>>36856
What's your channel? I will subscibe
>>36851
>Also, eagerly awaiting Jason to get in on this, as much as I'm going to cringe.

Yeah, me too!
So what breadtubers can we all agree on liking?
>>36851
>Start a YouTube channel
>See the cash roll in
>Go full breadtubelib to maximize profits
It's only a matter of time before he opens up his patreon
Honestly it's my fault for thinking a first world middle class radlib would be different this time

Effortpost about the hypocresy of content policing in breadtube II Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 16:52:37 No. 36029 [Reply]
So why exactly do breadtubers consider "nigger", "troon" and "faggot" to be slurs but "autist", "sperg" and "retard" no? they use such words quite constantly
This may seem like a quite simple question, thing is: it is not. This is an extremely complex social fenomena.

Probably the biggest amounts of hate towards disabled people originated in right-wing sites such as Something Awful, Kiwifarms/CWCforum, Metokur Forums and Niggermania, however, if we use René Girard's theory of the mimesis it is not so difficult why modern leftists behave just like modern rightists.
>inb4 "both sides"
We can also use the so called "Umberto Eco dichotomy of hatred" to define such negative stereotypes about disabled people.
>kikes are simultaneously weak and control half of the World (might makes right)
>faggots are simultaneously AIDs-filled stupid abominations and extremely-intelligent highly-seducing vampires
>spergs are simultaneously evil, unempathetic, hard-working, emotionless STEMlords that work at silicon valley making six figures and entitled lazy sexually-perverted manchildren.
>autists are simultaneously machine-like soulless dolls that will only hurt you and too innocent and too pure for this world, mere victims.

I am starting to notice that people, instead of being more empathetic and comprehensive to those with disabilities, are actually quite the opposite. It seems like it is quite socially acceptable to attack and libel collectives as soon as they are perceived as powerless, judging them way more harshly, instead of less harshly, trying to come up with all kind of pseudoscientific rationalizations for such behaviour.
You notice this quite often in radlib safe spaces such as r/neoliberal and r/stupidpol, where some posters frecuently advocate for might makes right and enlightened self-interest bullshit.
r/neoliberal loves to call r/stupidpol "succdems" (social democrat), fact is, they are pretty much the same, r/stupidpol is openly pro-antifa and anti-marxist-leninist.
There are sadistic undertones behind this, people with disabilities tend to be ignored by their families and lack close friends, which makes them to tend to use social media more.

Autistic individuals are by far the perfect target for sadists, as they are well-known to be quite easy to anger because many of them tend to have unironical PTSD and depression due bullying, sexual abuse by their caretakers, beatings, etc...

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>>36846
Because he hated communism? Idk. I don't fucking care. Stalin may have coined "Marxism-Leninism" but that doesn't mean that Marxism-Leninism is the sum total of Stalin's actions.
>>36842
https://web.archive.org/web/20130825035520/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jun/17/russia.iantraynor
>A year after Stalin died in 1953 and a year before the Warsaw Pact was established in 1955, the Kremlin asked to join Nato, according to a secret file which President Vladimir Putin unveiled last night, writes Ian Traynor.
>>36841
>NATO was literally invented as an anti-communist bloc
I'm not sure joining an "anti-communist bloc" to stop it from being an anticommunist bloc is that great a sin *unless you are stuck deep in metaphysics, reification, and essentialism**
>>36846
>Great man view of history
https://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/dissolution.htm
>Thus, for instance, in countries occupied by the Hitlerites and which have lost their State independence, the basic task of the progressive workers and broad masses of the people is to develop the armed struggle which is growing into a war of national liberation against Hitlerite Germany.
It's not like the reasons weren't clearly explained, not being able to meet due to a big fucking war tends to be a reason to dissolve a meeting
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>>36841
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>>36846
Stalin didn't try to join NATO, at most he laughed when a diplomat stated that according to de Gaulle, NATO was a peaceful organization whose existence did not contradict the UN Charter. Stalin then asked that Vyshinsky if the USSR should join it. Allegedly Stalin's personal feelings regarding NATO was that it undermined the UN (which was seen as necessary to preventing situations such as the previous war from reoccurring) and had an aggressive character. Stalin died in 1953, and in 1954 the Soviets offered to join NATO on the condition that it "would cease to be a closed military alignment of states and would be open to other European countries which, together with the creation of an effective system of European collective security, would be of cardinal importance for the promotion of universal peace". At the time, such a thing was viewed as possibly necessary to preventing future German aggression, as long as it remained within the confines or held a similar structure to that of the UN.
>>36846
This is somewhat dishonestly only telling half the story. The Comintern was dissolved to allow for the participation of its member countries in WW2, as its policy at the time was that the war was a conflict between imperialist powers and that none of the countries should participate. Its dissolving released its member parties to participate. After the war concluded, the Cominform was created as a kind of substitute for the Comintern, though mostly its membership was only made up of parties from explicitly communist countries save for France, Italy, and Yugoslavia (a mixed bag at the time). It was dissolved in 1956, 3 years after Stalin's death.
>>36081
this is a quite liberal critic of anarchism

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Capitalism Vs Feudalism Anonymous 08/21/2019 (Wed) 01:42:11 No. 36739 [Reply]
Normie here, can one of you guys explain to me what is the difference between capitalism and feudalism, to me they seem same just one is with monarchs controlling the land and the other is capitalists. They also both use money. How did both economic systems come about. Also how do both of them affect culture and relations between people.
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>>36791
o k a y c a p i t a l i s t
>>36794

Have you ever actually read Marx or Engels on this?

They both will admit that wage slavery is an advancement from serfdom and chattel. That's not an endorsement, but it's still true.
>>36783
Only good answer. We have a board full of "leftists" who didn't read Engels.

OP, as you can see in your pretty picture, before capitalism production was individual and people owned their means of production. Under feudalism peasants didn't own their land, more like they were owned by their land: the knight, lord or king could not evict you; you and your plot were passed on as one.

Capitalism came about when thanks to steam the means of production became socialised: you needed a large number of people to work on a factory and nobody could claim the product as theirs, but the ownership logic remained that of the feudal past. And so on and so on contradiction and dialectics.

>Before capitalist production — i.e., in the Middle Ages — the system of petty industry obtained generally, based upon the private property of the laborers in their means of production; in the country, the agriculture of the small peasant, freeman, or serf; in the towns, the handicrafts organized in guilds. The instruments of labor — land, agricultural implements, the workshop, the tool — were the instruments of labor of single individuals, adapted for the use of one worker, and, therefore, of necessity, small, dwarfish, circumscribed. But, for this very reason, they belonged as a rule to the producer himself. To concentrate these scattered, limited means of production, to enlarge them, to turn them into the powerful levers of production of the present day — this was precisely the historic role of capitalist production and of its upholder, the bourgeoisie. In the fourth section of Capital, Marx has explained in detail how since the 15th century this has been historically worked out through the three phases of simple co-operation, manufacture, and modern industry. But the bourgeoisie, as is shown there, could not transform these puny means of production into mighty productive forces without transforming them, at the same time, from means of production of the individual into social means of production only workable by a collectivity of men. The spinning wheel, the handloom, the blacksmith's hammer, were replaced by the spinning-machine, the power-loom, the steam-hammer; the individual workshop, by the factory implying the co-operation of hundreds and thousands of workmen. In like manner, production itself changed from a series of individual into a series of social acts, and the production from individual to social products. The yarn, the cloth, the metal articles that now come out of the factory were the joint product of many workers, through whose hands they had successively to pass before they were ready. No one person could say of them: "I made that; this is my product."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/ch03.htm
feudalism is tied to land, capitalism is tied to markets.
Feudalism was basically a legal system with inequalities explicitly written into it. Nobles by law had a whole swathe of privileges which are inconceivable to us today, as did other sectors of society that were granted a set of rights. Even peasants had a set of rights and could exercise them with varying degrees of success. People crudely make it about land/aristocrat/serf thing but it was more subtle than that and there were many shades of it. Land for military service was an exception more than a rule. There were plenty of situations of free-holding peasantry or landless laborers working for a wage. A mobile pool of landless laborer were probably the worst off in rural society and had short pitiful lives. Rural people on paper could appear static but people always migrated to towns and such to escape serfdom to

/leftycraft/ Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 11:53:40 No. 27850 [Reply]
Thread for the new leftypol Minecraft server

go to https://aternos.org/

and to log in:
email: b7883488@urhen.com
user: Bunkerchan
Password: Bunker

When it's on (remember somebody needs to be playing for it to be active):
server ip: Bunkerchan.aternos.me
Version: 1.14.4 Vanilla
It's cracked so everyone can use it
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>>35657
Yeah I'm fine with that.
>>35758
I'll just look for another MC server if I wanna be OP.
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>>35758
>>35761
better get off this board too, underage
>>35676
what about red orchestra
Server is offline and I can't login. anyone can help?

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/leftytrash/ Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 07:36:48 No. 1091 [Reply]
Movies, anime, music, feels e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting
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Why did I eat...
>>2705
>can't sleep what do
<sleep tight
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How does the email function even work on this website?
>>2709
I see. So really the only person taking a risk is the one who puts their personal email in the email field, but it wouldn't be a risk to use you personal email to reply to someone's email here since you could be a random guy from any website. Makes sense. So throwaway emails only in the email field, but reply emails shouldn't worry about it.

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Le epic Al Qaida gets defended by le guardian Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 15:46:04 No. 35992 [Reply]
Rebels withdraw in key Syrian town as pro-Assad troops advance

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/20/rebels-withdraw-in-key-syrian-town-as-pro-assad-and-turkish-troops-gather?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

"Idlib has become the last redoubt of those who rose up against the Syrian dictator during the Arab revolts of 2011. As Syria’s towns and cities have been pummelled and the regime – heavily backed by Iran and Russia – has clawed back early losses, displaced populations from all corners of the country have ended up in the north-west province."

>this is the text they put under a map of Syria focussing on the area of "those who rose up agaisnt dictator Assad" it has an arrow pointing to this area saying: *Al-Qaida dominated area*

TL;DR The Guardian favours Al-Qaida rebels over "evil dictator" Assad.
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>>36580
You seem to believe the official story, could you explain why ? When this story came out there was a giant bat shit media circus about Russia this and Russia that, and this just seemed part of this noise.
>>36044
they are likely less homophobic than al Qaeda also not everything is about you faggots
>>36737
What nonsense is this, IS grew out of an American backed rebel group.
>>36044
Good shitpost! Next time use this flag, to make it even more authentic!

Hong Kong General Anonymous 08/12/2019 (Mon) 22:52:25 No. 25794 [Reply]
What is leftypol's take on the situation in Hong Kong? Do you support the protests or the Chinese government? I'm suspicious of western coverage, but I don't think an international communist movement should just discard the demands of foreign workers either just because it they might weaken one of America's strongest adversaries.
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Why the fuck do American conservatives think the HK protests are about gun control?
>>36792
Because thats the only thing they think about?
>>26347
>Dare I say the dreaded s-word? "State capit-something or other"?
Neoclassical Keynesian Capitalist. China hasnt instated universal healthcare (they had "barefoot doctors" traveling to the villages and towns courtesy of Mao Zedong), universal education, comprehensive social programs, unionisation, work rights and safety standards. It seems that the CCP keeps the emblems and terminology to quell any unrest from the rural areas as the rural people appear to revere Mao Zedong and Communism.
>>31968
>Animal farm
Funny that. George Orwell was a socialist, thanks to outlets like infowars plenty of people believe that he wrote about the "evils of socialism" instead of fascism.
>>31734
I have always admired the anarchists in Spain,but the statements from abad santillian have proved to me, that their movement was full of mistakes,
I guess what really matters is not repeating their mistakes and winning in the future

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Packet sniffing and interception via PAU06 Panda wireless Comrade 08/21/2019 (Wed) 00:32:36 No. 547 [Reply]
So I bought this pandawireless wifi card for packet sniffing.
i managed too get it running and in monitor mode on my computer, but, my machine keeps yelling at me about airmon-ng already being installed under "iw" which is what I used to put my dongle into monitor mode, but, I am not seeing any applications with iw loike airdump that allows me to monitor traffic in the area.

Can anyone help me actually make use of my wifi cards monitor mode?
>>547

airmon-ng handles everything if the device is supported.

can you post result of airmon-ng check, rfkill, dmesg, lsmod and usual suspects? Also you might want to elaborate on what you are trying to achieve by 'packet sniffing'. Are you attacking WEP configured AP? Are you recording handshakes of WPA and bruteforce password? Do you know of any weakness in AP's rng& willing to decipher somebody else's WPA connection ?
>>548

user@user:~$ airmon-ng

Command 'airmon-ng' not found, but can be installed with:

sudo apt install aircrack-ng

user@user~$ sudo apt install aircrack-ng
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package aircrack-ng is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
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>>548
Lmfao, i'm stupid. My repository needed updating. That being said I still don't know what to do with monitor mode.

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/brg/ - Brazil General Comrade 08/09/2019 (Fri) 01:03:24 No. 18835 [Reply]
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Só hoje soube que a revista VEJA, um dos maiores instrumentos dos interesses do imperialismo no Brasil, era de uma família de judeus chamada Civita. Concidencia? Além disso tem o Benjamin Steinbruch, banqueiro judeu da FIESP que praticamente defendeu o fim do horário de almoço. Será que tem muitos judeus no prédio da FIESP? Muitas concidencias...
>>35514
Jesus. Its like that black rain that fell on hiroshima the day after the bomb dropped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyengEg31lU

Essa posição contra os embargos é consenso entre os círculos da esquerda?
Não falo do exemplo da venezuela, que é claramente um embargo criminoso pelos EUA.

Assim, se a união européia começar a colocar sanções para o Brasil por causa da política ambiental do Bostonaro, eu deveria ser contra essas sanções? Mesmo sabendo que isso enfraquece o governo dele? Elucidem-me.
>>35537
>Trump was voted into office just like Bolsonaro was voted into office.

Bolsonaro was elect with almost 40% of the total votes, they are a minority, but a big and a militant one.

Also, blanquism is only a option when you have the support of the army or a foreign power, what is not the case. My hope is that Bolsonaro will lead us to a revolucionary situation in the long term, like what happen in the military dictatorship.

>>35614
> foi aí que notei que o brasileiro está tão esvasiado de poder político, intelectual( o cara estuda na USP eu nao sei como)
Não só aqui, essa incapacidade de conceber um futuro é algo global, é mais fácil imaginar o fim do mundo do que o fim do capitalismo.

>>36380
Quer dizer que tudo bem o Octávio Frias emprestar o carro dele para operações clandestinas da ditadura ou o presidente da CNI falar que a jornada de trabalho deveria ser de 12 horas só porque eles não judeus?

>Será que tem muitos judeus no prédio da FIESP?
Eu apostaria com você que o número de libaneses é maior.

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>Haddad's trial has been dragging on for 4 years
> "evidence" against him was a testimony
>according to Roman-derived legislative systems, testimony of a single witness ought to have little to no weight of evidence
>thanks to Moro, it has become not only acceptable but sufficient for conviction
>Moro made many putative courses and classes in America through the years, even before CW
>thinking.png
>Haddad managed to prove the testimony was false
>judge throws that "evidence" away
>convicts him anyway lolololol

Had this happened before 2013, I would chalk it up to standard miscarriage of justice, but now, that's the least likely scenario.

Are you seeing why arming up might be a necessity? Even if we come out of the like-new age in one piece, the damage done -- not just by Bozo's circus, but by the entire Brazilian establishment since 2013 -- simply can't be fixed by elections.

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Cybernetic socialism general Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 22:17:56 No. 10470 [Reply]
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>>36777
here's an Austrian's take on TANS:
https://mises.org/library/review-oftowards-new-socialism-w-paul-cockshott-and-allin-f-cottrell
as well as a leftcom critique by Derick Varn:
https://symptomaticcommentary.wordpress.com/2015/03/26/podcast-episode-review-from-alpha-to-omega-the-calculation-problem-part-1-of-2/
finally, there's Klimans critiques which were linked in the thread earlier. (as well as those 'power as capital' guys.
>>36777
most of the rest of the critques of Cockshott seem to be from an Austrian perspective
>>27546
original source?
>>36799
its leftypol OC, the original art is from starcraft 1 concept art (from the game manual) see: https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/30346.html#q31139
>>36843
page 29 of that pdf to be exact

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/QTDDTOT/ Questions that don't deserve their own thread Comrade 08/06/2019 (Tue) 13:32:09 No. 11757 [Reply]
A thread for people - leftist or not - to ask questions above topics that don't deserve their own thread.
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>>36755
LARPing Maoists
>>36757
But they're not Maoist, they're Hoxhaist.
>>36757
RedGuards Austin are the larping Maoists.
American Party of Labor are larping Hoxhaists
>>36759
I thought the Red Guards did genuine praxis like their serve the people campaigns.
>>36760
maybe, but they were also an incredibly adventurist and stupid group who went out and fucked up other leftists out of sheer sectarian rage, so it's a pretty mixed bag.
(I say this as a Mautist myself.)

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The role of gender and race Comrade 08/07/2019 (Wed) 16:13:52 No. 15551 [Reply]
Notice: This thread serves as the offical /idpol/ gulag. Direct all threads that are pure idpol here.

Original OP:
I want this thread to be about a couple of things:

- Sharing arguments for a more rigorous understanding of how gender and race act upon people today.
- Using this understanding to form strategies to more effectively organize the working class.
- Building strategies to use this understanding to effectively criticize false or inept strategies of organizing the working class.

I wasn't a part of the discussion in the mod thread about having a general on gender, but I wanted to make a new one anyways because I think it is important to have a thread about both gender and race. Ideally this will not descend into screeds about idpol, though it is inevitable some reactionaries will be drawn to the thread. I want to see quality discussions that make good faith attempts to convince others of positions on identity.

It is not virtue signalling to say this is an important topic of theory for the modern leftist movement. It is clear that identity has had a large role in left-adjacent and liberal politics for the past couple of decades, reaching a peak within probably the last decade. As much as many would wish that they could just erase this and go back to a raw working class politics of trade unionism, it is at this moment a historical fact that the role of identity has come to take a dominant role in much leftist discourse and it can't just be wished away by ridiculing or denying it. The social categories of race and gender are understood now in very particular ways, often very confused ways, by large swathes of the working class. So it seems to me that the goal should be to form convincing and coherent understandings of these social roles in capitalism, to analyze how they are currently being used by both the working class itself and its enemies to achieve/maintain political power, and strategies for directing this in the most fruitful way.

Of course feel free to share books and articles about the subject here too, or to use current events to explore how gender and race effect the working class today.
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>>36553
>the same could be said for race,
No it can't, what we regard as "race" are just phenotypes that are particularly striking to our sensibilities, you can't name me any "white" genes for instance, meanwhile women have a whole extra chromosome and can poop out kiddos.
>yet segregation by the category of race has been a huge failure,
can you see how that relates to sex as a category?
Haha another desperate attempt by transgender activists to equivocate racism with transphobia. Sorry, race was a social construct imposed on minorities by white supremacy, gender dysphoria is something trannies impose on themselves.
>"black people don't have blue eyes is as true" a statement as "women can't beat men in sports"
Hahahah having blue eyes or not is arbitrary compared to being able to give birth. This false equivocation is the only way transgender idealist non sense has any type of ground to stand on. You literally have to believe that someone having blue eyes, or curly hair, is the equivalent to someone that can give birth, and someone that can produce sperm lol.
>>36577
>plenty of us are gender abolitionists and it's honestly just the more correct, materialist ideology.
No it's not, you'll never crap out a kid with your axe wound, how is believing otherwise more materialist lol
>>36775
*misformatted
> "black people don't have blue eyes is as true" a statement as "women can't beat men in sports"
Hahahah having blue eyes or not is arbitrary compared to being able to give birth. This false equivocation is the only way transgender idealist non sense has any type of ground to stand on. You literally have to believe that someone having blue eyes, or curly hair, is the equivalent to someone that can give birth, and someone that can produce sperm lol.
Jesus Christ this arguments never gonna end.

I blame narcissism. Everyone fucking focuses on themselves, you got gays going me me me and straights going me me me as if they're entitled to anything beyond basic human recognition. Noone fucking cares who you are, noone should fucking care who you are. People should judge you by how they perceive you and how they get to know you.
>>36788
>implying that an LGBT person can reliably expect "basic human recognition" anywhere other than a liberal city
ay, there's the rub

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Extinction Rebellion Anonymous 08/17/2019 (Sat) 15:40:07 No. 31575 [Reply]
Have you guys joined your local XR branch?

I suspect some people will say it's too liberal, but as far as I can see it's the only chance we have of ensuring organised society even exists in the near future. Don't let purity burn us alive.
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>>36444
it’s rad libs minus idpol
>>36444
Psychedelics help break down the artificial boundaries we place on the world around us.
No more does someone see themselves as a lone ego in a hostile world, but a synthesis is achieved as someone realizes that as he/she is one with their body, their tools, their environment and the social connections around them.
Also, it makes people less dogmatic, which makes having open critical discussions about entrenched ideas easier.
>>36446
doesn't water degrade lsd?
>>36810
Distilled water (i.e. water with no impurities) is fine for LSD, but of course there's no public water system in the world like that.

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Quotographs / memes Anonymous 08/21/2019 (Wed) 02:23:36 No. 36763 [Reply]
/Marx/ had a quotograph / meme thread and that shit slapped, had very useful images for radicalizing and just quality memes, drop em pls I'm having withdrawals
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What's /leftypol/s opinion on the google leaks? Anonymous 08/15/2019 (Thu) 20:33:23 No. 29106 [Reply]
Hey comrades, it looks like a bunch of internal documents for google got leaked by a fired employee, links are right here:
https://www.projectveritas.com/google-document-dump/
Opinions on this? Seems to show that google has a strong bias towards the liberal establishment in america and a bias against the right. Anybody willing to documentdig and see if they have a bias against socialism?
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this
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>project veritas
>>29106
Isn't Project Veritas the same group who published the highly edited, out-of-context, 'exposé' of Planned Parenthood to frame them for selling human body parts?

As much as I hate Google, I would take their commentary on this with a pinch of salt.
>>29106
Why did they filter out Yu-Gi-Oh comrades?

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/dprk/ -- DPR Korea General Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 14:04:23 No. 9051 [Reply]
Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.
Archive of first ~500 posts on original thread:
https://archive.fo/pRkxK
Subsequent archives:
https://archive.fo/https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2265496.html
Related archives:
https://archive.fo/HbuXi
https://archive.fo/https://8ch.net/leftpol/res/36983.html
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>>36718
I've read the past posts and I'm still not very convinced. What now?
>>36723
The matter at hand was whether or not the DPRK is socialist. The definition of socialism is a platform that advocates the means of production, distribution, and exchange be owned by the community.

In the DPRK, most of the capital is not owned by the masses, but by a concentrated few in Pyongyang who have some relationship with the central government. The land is likewise owned by the state, who is not representative of the masses.

The mention of feudalism was not really that serious, more of a jab at the overt despotism and religious aspects of juche, making the proletariat closer to serfs of the Kim family than comrades with some vanguard party.
>>36801
>definition of socialism is a platform that advocates the means of production, distribution, and exchange be owned by the community.
No. You could have all of these things, and still have a system which retains the underlying mechanisms of capital. Simply production being owned communally or distribution being communally directed does not define socialism.
>most of the capital is not owned by the masses, but by a concentrated few in Pyongyang who have some relationship with the central government.
>The land is likewise owned by the state, who is not representative of the masses.
>more of a jab at the overt despotism and religious aspects of juche, making the proletariat closer to serfs of the Kim family than comrades with some vanguard party.
These all seem to be conjecture without source. Also, while I take issue with some aspects of Juche, it is not religious in the slightest. Maybe somewhat idealist in regards to its view of man, but not religious. Actually read about Juche before making such comments.
>>36732
Then read the archives.
>>36801
You're not the first clever person to attempt to draw analogies from feudalism to socialist experiments. It distils an elementary misunderstanding of what a mode of production is, and how feudalism functioned.

>In the DPRK, most of the capital is [owned] by a concentrated few in Pyongyang
So now it's no longer feudalism, but super-capitalism. How so? If there's mainly production for exchange in North Korea, where's all the trade? Where are all the Pyongyang billionaires? If the won is just coporate money, these Pyongyang elite must have billions of dollars or gold that they don't invest outside the country despite that giving better profits. If it it a sovereign currency then these billionaires are exchanging luxuries among themselves, but luxuries inside the DPRK are limited.

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Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 04:17:29 No. 35581 [Reply]
What's the deal with slander laws?
You insult one single Jew and you get your ass sued, but you insult every Jew in the world and suddenly it's free speech?
>>35643
Crypto-fascist, what'sup
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>>35581
Bait thread.
If you are in the USA neither of them apply. Politicians have been lobbied by bourgie aipac for years and unironically cuck and virtue signal to them along with Wall Street and other "donors". Pretty much idpol on steroids. There are some interesting reading material if you stay on the site as the good comrades have been compiling reading lists.
Thanks for stopping by.

/NEW/ Comrade 08/06/2019 (Tue) 17:31:45 No. 12156 [Reply]
THREAD FOR NEWBIES
Did you just hear about us, bunkerchan.xyz, on reddit, twitter, youtube or from a friend of yours?
Did you come here as a /pol/raider and actually wanted to see what this chan is all about?
Did you get burned out by /pol/, and wanted to get into another Chan?
Did you just type randomly bunkerchan.xyz in your keyboard?
This thread is for you!

ITT (ITT means In This Thread) we will teach you about all of the stuff you need to know, we will answer every doubt you have about marxism, every doubt you have about capitalism, every doubt that you have involving the use of Bunkerchan as a whole.
First and foremost, you should read the rules of bunkerchan in here >>10706
Start reading what's in the /reading/ thread >>8537
If you wanna provide something for the board, go to the "development of Bunkerchan", here >>>/gulag/920
If you wanna get to know the ideological side of /leftypol/, go here >>9675

Please remain in this board, and remember to do the 3 G's:
>Get Read.
>Get Organized.
>Get Fit.

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>>35986
You should rant about being a commie to your mommy.
>>33604
Azerbaijan lol
>>36241
I really like the song Yaxşi you
>>36241
I feel for you anon.
>>35986
>>36068
Depending on the household
>You: Mum, Dad there is something I wanted to tell that has been on mind for a while
>Mum: Oh... Its okay sweetie just to let you know we are here for you
>Dad: Eh..well I didnt think you would be the type, I feel like I didnt do enough but its okay we are proud of you either way
>You: No-no, its not like that that
>Mum & Dad: Well, what it?
>You: I am a... I am a Communist
>Mum & Dad: *speechless*
>*brief silence
>You: Let me tell you about Marx

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/cumpol/- Canada, United States, Mexico Comrade 08/09/2019 (Fri) 14:12:05 No. 19732 [Reply]
Edit: This is now the US politics general

Since the update deleted the US Politics thread I figured I'd make a new one, but be inclusive of other North American comrades since I doubt there are enough leafs or beaners on here to justify their own generals.

Discuss anything pertaining to domestic or international politics in Canada, the US, Mexico, Central America, or the Caribbean.
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>>35824
>>36300
I've heard Ubuntu is compromised and not free as in freedom.
Can any Gentooposters attest?
It's already usable without ten layers of riceshit, but I don't wanna use CIAos.
>>36331
I've heard Stallman complain about Ubuntu, along with some other Loonix users, about how Canonical is selling user data to Amazon,etc. So I do have an extra Arch OS that I update every other month but I don't really use it tbh. Although I plan on moving to arch as soon as Ubuntu becomes total shit which just doesn't really seem the case to me right now.
>>36331
Trisquel OS is a GNU-aproved fork. Ubuntu has proprietary components like firmware, nvidia drivers and steam but honestly avoiding programs like chrome, discord in "web apps" that collect your data is far more important.
The section on this man in future history books is gonna be something special.
>>36778
>Donald Trump, during a time of great economic uncertainty, suddenly decided the purchase the nation of Greenland, a member of the Kingdom of Denmark.

>After several long months, he eventually did purchase it, but it was soon in vein, as America was already on fire by that time.

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fashy zoomers Anonymous 08/13/2019 (Tue) 22:17:24 No. 27082 [Reply]
so is the generation zyklon meme true? is everyone under 25 fash now?

t. 28 year old boomer
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>>33829
>We have already passed the point of no return
Mabey is we all become cavemen and forget how to use machines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_aerosol_injection
>>33848
>Please, no hard-green fearmongerig in my Albanian Hackers Taiwanese cartoons forum, thank you.
It's not a hot take out of my ass. Scholars and scientists who dedicate their lives to studying the climate are all saying the same.

>Are you the guy who spams Unabomber's pdfs?
Nope.

>Aren't you fucked too according to your own metrics?
I'm not gen z. I've had a good run and am going to die before shit really hits the fan real hard.
>>33829
Meme tier infographic
It seems like /pol/ is turning this story about 10 high school kids into meaning that most zoomers are fascists or something.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pacifica-high-school-students-sang-nazi-song-and-gave-hitler-salute
>>36770
When I was in secondary school I used to goosestep and do the nazi salute for jokes with my friends.

Leftypol gaming Anonymous 08/14/2019 (Wed) 09:56:54 No. 27775 [Reply]
What games do leftypol play? I played through Stalker recently, I also like Deus Ex, Mount and Blade Warband, Dark Souls. I play supreme commander daily and generally enjoy strategy games.
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Just got Wolfenstein: Youngblood

it kinda blows compared to the rest of the series but I'm chugging through to the end
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>Resetera radlibs are trying to drag Ion Maiden/Ion Fury through the mud with some year old discord screencaps that aren't even that bad.
This is why we can't have good things.
>>35665
Day 46 onward will ramp up the difficulty a fuckton, with special ordeals and worse.
Have you done any boss fight already? you need to do them all to get to the last day.
>>27775

you should play Zero-K
>>36685
explain

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Novorossiya Thread Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 22:12:37 No. 36452 [Reply]
So what do we think of Novorossiya and the ongoing war in Ukraine? We know for a fact their military and roots are remotely socialistic in nature, but many leftists are sceptical, some leftists support Ukraine in the War in Dombass whereas others declare Ukraine and its Armies to be Fascistic and dictatorial.

What do we think? Post arguments here.
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>>36601
Nice mental gymnastics.
Guis this one brigade is socialist (well not really some rando tankies like them) therefore ALL of the LNR and DNR are actually base communists!!!

Seriously do you guys even know the local socio-political context behind the succession? I.E: it had a lot to do with local political elites wanting to keep their positions during the Poroshenko purge?
As I said all of this is horrifically anti-materialist.
>>36452
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc2KeSkl5H0&t=6s
I hope you aren't supporting actual Nazis in Ukraine comrades
>>36620
Just because he correctly identifies the separatists as capitalist doesn't mean he supports Ukraine or Ukrainian Nazis.
>>36639
It's a honest mess there alright.
There's been a great number of literal Chetniks and "Holy Orthodox fighters" going there to fight in the name of Orthodoxy and Russia. Literal retards that posted pictures of themselves on their facebooks and got arrested afterwards.
>>36532
For only five months before most of the KMT “nationalists” got their asses purged.
Ho was always communist first, nationalist later. The whole patriotic thing was just to pull the mostly apathetic people of the time.

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cybersocialist planning poll Comrade 08/11/2019 (Sun) 06:27:35 No. 365 [Reply]
https://forms.gle/3sBQnaFXdv5jhBAa7

answer some questions about how you would like the hypothetical open source software to be written.
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>>373
>- Would have to rewrite Cockshott's program (~500 loc)
sure hope this is monospaced

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Language.....................files..........blank........comment...........code
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TeX..............................4.............98..............0...........3032
Pascal...........................7............268............390...........2725
Java............................10............131............251...........1610
make.............................2.............21..............0.............42
Bourne.Shell.....................4.............22..............0.............36
C................................1..............7..............9.............31
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SUM:............................28............547............650...........7476
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>>468
the core harmony planning code is a relatively small part of the repo
>>470
what's the rest of the java code?
fucking bump
is there any repo I can contribute to? extra points if it isn't Java crap
This seems like a fairly odd process to arrive at a language for a communal project. Wouldn't it have been better to recruit dedicated competent programmers first, and then see what programming languages there were common competency in? I can't help but think that most individuals that participated in the poll have no intention of contributing.

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/jordanpeterson/ Anonymous 08/19/2019 (Mon) 11:00:01 No. 34635 [Reply]
theres a JP voice emulator out there at https://www.notjordanpeterson.com/

have fun!
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>>36677
>What do you guys think? Is it worth continuing?
YES
>>36712
>>36677
>should we continue this unfunny forced meme
no
>>36720
>no fun allowed
>>36677
At first I thought this was actually him. Technology is good enough now, audio recordings aren't especially reliable now
>>34669
DO IT FAGGOT

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/Kalashnikov/ Comrade 08/06/2019 (Tue) 18:50:35 No. 12396 [Reply]
AKA: lefty /k/

/k/ got deleted edition

For discussion of weapons, milsurp and military transport and armour.

Post weapons, discuss weapons, post your own if you so wish.
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I'm going to shooting range this weekend. What guns should I familiarize with if this is my absolute first time? Also is it worth practicing marksmanship? I always liked physics and dynamics subject at uni and willing to invest some time learning bullet ballistics if it is actually useful.
>>35248
Try starting low calibre bolt action/semi auto rifles first to familiarise yourself with basic recoil
>>35251

I was actually worried about it. I am somewhat fit but how powerful will the blows be? is it possible to affect trajectory (and accuracy) of bullet by failing to control recoil?
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Can anyone identify this magazine that I discovered?
>>35915
Hell if I know

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Complain here about bunkerchan Comrade Board volunteer 08/05/2019 (Mon) 18:31:18 No. 757 [Reply]
Suggestions, complains, put them here
Technical questions about the site only, for questions about leftypol moderation please go to the moderation feedback thread on leftypol. This includes asking for more flags.

Post things you want to see changed on bunkerchan here.
>Bugs
>Missing features
>Suggestions in general
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2 things:
<Can we get redtext
And can we have more threads shown per page? Iirc it was 10 on 8chan.
you guys didn't make my Warsaw pact thread cyclical and now my fetish for the infrastructure/looks at the life then,are in the archives. Why care so much for a DPRK cyclical that I love and should be there 100% but cant get behind an active Warsaw pact cyclical?
>>1863
It must have gotten swallowed in the update. There was some data loss. I have been monitoring the catalog and afaik no threads have 404'd since the update.
Tbh can we have it so pinned threads only show the OP and newest post? It saves so much space.
>>1853
>ancap colors
are you retarded

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News 8/20/19 News Aon 3.0 08/20/2019 (Tue) 19:09:05 No. 36219 [Reply]
Italian PM resigns amid coalition turmoil and publicly attacks Salvini for putting country at risk
Giuseppe Conte said during a parliamentary debate on Tuesday afternoon that he would go to the president to resign at the end of the day’s sitting, adding: “This government ends here.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/giuseppe-conte-italy-prime-minister-quit-resign-latest-a9071721.html

MPs’ summer holiday over? Labour demands recall of UK parliament after dire no-deal Brexit leak
The UK Labour Party has called on PM Boris Johnson to cut British lawmakers’ summer holidays short and recall parliament, following a leaked government report warning of the grim consequences of a no-deal Brexit.
https://on.rt.com/a06u

China could ‘render US military bases useless’ within hours of conflict in Asia, report says
American military described as ‘atrophying force that is not sufficiently ready, equipped or postured for great power competition in the Indo-Pacific’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-us-military-bases-war-asia-university-sydney-australia-japan-a9071326.html

Quebec’s new CAQ-authored chauvinist laws incite spike in hate crimes
Bill 9, the so-called “Act to increase Québec’s socio-economic prosperity and adequately meet labour market needs through successful immigrant integration,” slashes the number of immigrants Quebec will receive in 2019 by almost a quarter. It also adds new “cultural” selection criteria that will enable the government to exclude would-be immigrants whom it deems don’t share “Quebec values.”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/08/20/hate-a20.html

Brazil’s Inequality Widens, Super-Rich Hold 28% of Total Income

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>>36219
>News Aon 3.0
News Anon 1.0 -> News Anon 2.0 -> News Anon 3.0 -> News Aon 3.0
Is this even your final form?
>>36375
The iterations must continue until perfection.
Trump calls off meeting with Danish prime minister over Greenland comments
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-greenland-denmark/trump-calls-off-meeting-with-danish-prime-minister-over-greenland-comments-idUSKCN1VB007

>President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he was postponing his scheduled meeting with Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen in two weeks because of her lack of interest in his offer to purchase Greenland.

>“Denmark is a very special country with incredible people, but based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen’s comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time,” Trump said in a post on Twitter.

>Trump, who is due to visit Copenhagen early next month, did not make clear if he was canceling the trip altogether.

jej, I hope Greenland doesn't have WMD.
>>36219
>China could ‘render US military bases useless’ within hours of conflict in Asia, report says

I can believe it. The whole revenge for 9-11/make the world safe for freedom shit is played out. The only ones going into the military now are the desperate and the deluded. Anyone that isn't deluded gets out when their contract is up. The ones that stay are sociopaths that enjoy killing, because that's all that's going on in Afghanistan. The news doesn't talk about it because it's beyond an embarrassment. At least I'm Vietnam the US had the excuses of foreign support and the political excuse of not being able to invade the North. In Afghanistan there isn't a single element that isn't due to America's relentless fuck ups (if we're being charitable). The Taliban is not only still around, but on the verge of kicking the Americans out of the country. It was only a year or two ago that they nearly forced them out of Kandahar. Much like Vietnam, it's only their overwhelming air power keeping them holding on, from being unceremoniously thrown out on their asses.

The American military is like an aging prize fighter. They pack a punch, but the overwhelming strength they had in their youth wastes away with every passing day.

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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 12:39:50 No. 8925 [Reply]
A general thread for all China related discussion
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what's your favorite Chinese cartoon?
>>36449
Steven Universe
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maoist comics
>>36449
Boku no pico
Jokes aside, Made in Abyss.
>>36385
>The fact that the NATO imperialists and the media mouthpieces are lining up to support the "protesters" says it all.
CNN spending two minutes out of twenty four hours to say “protestors are good” don’t mean shit. These protestors have no money or weapons from the CIA. Their just a reactionary movement against Chinese social democracy that is part of Chinese internal politics. Not every political movement involves NATO,

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OC Thread 4.0 Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 08:50:19 No. 8622 [Reply]
OC Thread 4.0
>New thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content
Post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you want to share.
Or ITT collaborate on improving content already made.

/leftypol/'s booru:
https://lefty.booru.org/index.php
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>>36563
>I love how you fags
???
>always obscure any revealing details about who publishes this shit
Then you proceed to do the same as hardcore /pol/acks. I know you are trying to get me permabanned by getting me to react even the slightest and harass the mods into doing to shut you up. Textbook liberal ploy.
>>36630
>Then you proceed to do the same as hardcore /pol/acks.

I literally revealed the source of that retarded image on antifa - it was some conservative site's post which only simplified Johnstone's actual position. They threw in a pic of Soros for good measure. I also haven't reported any of your dumbass posts, either someone else is doing it or the mods just don't like it when you post shitty right-wing propaganda like in that deleted post.
>>36637
>either someone else is doing it or the mods just don't like it when you post shitty right-wing propaganda like in that deleted post.
If one cant discern propaganda from evidence, no matter the source, its a learning curve. If one is concerned about mere optics its a kangaroo court. Once Antifa and its offshoots get exposed, the damage control and cope would be delicious. Screencap this: I told you so.
>>36563
>Any reading of Trump's victory that relies on his popular support or how much workers love him and his policies is objectively wrong. He got fewer votes. Fewer votes than Hillary Clinton. Hillary fucking Clinton.

This is correct

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cockblocks Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 22:19:45 No. 36466 [Reply]
consider making a mod for minecraft to include a simplified cockshott planing system:

Players can contributes parts of the economic plan, and get labour-vouchers which can be spend on blocks and items
To simplify this, you could get "free" place-holder blocks/items that are put into the User Inventory, that can also be placed into the world
The placeholder blocks/items represent requests to the planing system, not real stuff so they are "gost-matter" players can clip through, the requests are full-filed by turning the placeholder-blocks into
actual blocks and items. The user will have to fullfill other parts of the plan (from a task-list) that contain an equivalent amount of average necessary labour time
to have the place-holder items be transformed, into actual blocks/items. Since this is all software, it's actually extremely easy to measure average necessary labour time.
Minecraft has a rather simple and limited amount of stuff that can be made, with a very small tech-tree,
which means it should be possible to implement for example cockshots harmony algorithm he published on github. I'm not sure how flexible mine-craft mods are, but there Still is the open-source version
MINETEST.

A additional feature, could be a communal fund, that is funded via taxation. This could be used to give users communally subsidised beginner items, but also have communal building
projects, this could have a list with proposals, where users can vote on. To make a building proposal you can build with place-holder-blocks that are
linked to a such a list-entry, where other Players can vote for. The communal-fund-place-holder-items you build with are not visible to other users unless they
click on the entry of the communal project list, allowing them to inspect your proposal. If a proposal is approved by votes then the placeholder-blocks become visible to everybody and the economic
plan will be incremented. As soon as players work to get labour vouchers, the tax mechanism will divert some of the material inputs to the communal projects and real blocks will replace placeholder-blocks.
Placeholder-blocks could be made semi transparent version of their actual counterparts, so that you can see the progress of a project by how many transparent blocks are turned into opake ones.

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Sorry but this is just too autistic. You want to make a mod to allow a planning system specifically designed for large scale industrial production, which Minecraft lacks completely?
There is not enough scale in Minecraft to be able to calculate how long it takes to produce a diamond. There is no technology, resources or capital that can and needs to be mass produced to create new productive forces or end products. Crafting products themselves takes almost no effort or labour, except for smelting which can be expanded to be done so ridiculously cheaply that nobody ever needs to bother planning for it.

Find a better use of your time than trying to cram a system meant for planning large scale complex calculable economies into a litteral children's game that has more in common with an ad-hoc Amish commune.
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So, anybody going to engage with the thread topic ?
>>36613
To put my previous reply in short Marxist terms. Minecrafts mode of production isn't large scale industry. There is no capital which is needed to be produced to increase production, and the tools which you could argue for this description are too much based on chance to plan for.

I don't think creating such a mod would be practical or usefull, sorry. Perhaps if you had a game that functioned more akin to real life, with large scale plannable infrastructure, multiple possibilities which have to be weighed, high use of predictably producible productive capital, then it might be interesting. But Minecraft is just too small scale, too communal, too much based on random chance, too much lacking in labour increasing technology. Minecraft is either all manual or completely automated with no labour required, and the tools that are used for manual labour are basically insignificant to maintain once they have been produced.

As for the measurability of production being "easy", it isn't. Due to the tiny sample size in a Minecraft game of players, and the high impact of randomness, it becomes extremely hard to accurately measure the labour value of some product. Perhaps this could work in an mmo, but not in minecraft.
Besides, turning Minecraft into a litteral "here is a preplanned repetitive job" simulator is the opposite of what makes the game fun.
>>36576
The idea is not really a game, it's just using the engine of a game.
>>36634
I never played minecraft, but isn't a big part of the randomness due to where the resources are under the ground? In that case, this could be averaged away by an insurance system, that is the land-value tax.
>>36611
Don't listen to this fucking naysayer. I believe in you op.

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Zapatistas Expand Territory Anonymous 08/21/2019 (Wed) 00:10:53 No. 36651 [Reply]
https://roarmag.org/essays/zapatistas-announce-major-expansion-of-autonomous-territories/



Seems very promising tho I'm not a great interpreter of the significance of things like this. It does seem like a lot of people underestimated the vitality and potential of EZLN however, saying they had no real ambitions beyond hyperlocalized autonomy and fell to electoral politics or something. This seems like significant revolutionary activity.
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>>36651
We should follow their example in order to grow Bunkerchan.
>>36667
What? By getting a bunch of leftypol users to seize a town with AK47's and M16's?
I hope they're well armed.
They're going to be need to be if this continues
>>36668
Couldn't hurt.
Speaking of which, I heard the ETA dissolved last year.

What happened?

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The Future of the Left Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 21:27:49 No. 36393 [Reply]
The Future of the Left.
By the beginning of the twentieth century, the Left envisioned itself as having reached an extraordinary degree of conceptual sophistication and organizational maturity. Generally, what was called leftism at that time was socialist, influenced to varying degrees by the works of Karl Marx. This was especially the case in Central Europe, but socialism was also intermixed with populist ideas in Eastern Europe and with syndicalism in France, Spain, and Latin America. In the United-States, all of these ideas were melded together, for example, in Eugene V. Debs’s Socialist Party and in the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW).
On the eve of World War I, leftist ideas and movements had become so advanced that they seemed positioned to seriously challenge the existence of capitalism, indeed, of class society as such. The words from the “Internationale,”“Tis the final conflict,” acquired a new concreteness and immediacy. Capitalism seemed faced with an insurgency by the world’s exploited classes, particularly the industrial proletariat. Indeed, given the scope of the Second International and the growth of revolutionary movements in the West, capitalism appeared to be facing an unprecedented, international social upheaval. Many revolutionaries were convinced that a politically mature and well-organized proletariat could finally take conscious control over social life and evolution to satisfy, not the particularized elitist interests of a propertied minority class, but the general interests of the majority.
The “Great War,” as it was called, actually did end amid socialistic revolutions. Russia established a “proletarian dictatorship,” premised ostensibly on revolutionary Marxist principles. Germany, with the largest and most ideologically advanced industrial proletariat in Europe, went through three years of Marxist-influenced revolutionary upheaval, while Bavaria, Hungary, and other places experienced short-lived insurgencies.
In Italy and Spain, the end of the war saw the emergence of great strike movements and near-insurrections, although they never reached a decisive revolutionary level. Even France seemed to be teetering on revolution in 1917, when entire regiments at the Western Front raised red flags and tried to make their way to Paris. Such upheavals, which recurred into the 1930s, appeared to support Lenin’s view that a “moribund” capitalism had finally entered into a period of war and revolution, one that in the foreseeable future could end only with the establishment of a socialist or communist society.
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>>36397
>>36395
>>36393
Thanks to the mod for fixing my formatting mistakes
>>36593
It doesn't have to be this way comrade. It's a mistake to think of history in terms of inevitability. We have a choice to make as a species: do we embrace socialism or barbarism? Nothing is written in stone yet, even things are looking dire
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>>36491
Apologies for that. Having to fix all the spacing between words was a pain as it is.
>>36592
yeah im not reading that.
>>36636
You don't have to comrade. It's there for those that do

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Self Improvement General Comrade 08/12/2019 (Mon) 02:43:14 No. 24570 [Reply]
Old self improvement thread is down, so long live the new one. Post advice on how best to work out and develop new skills with comrades, and give encouragement.

My major fucking problem is with discipline. I wasted another evening doing Jack shit when there's two projects for my org that I need to be working on. I've had the thought of just uninstalling my vidya, which is what's easiest for me to waste time on, but it always seems like I find something else to take its place. What can I do to teach myself the discipline that I need to keep plugging through anything really?
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>>35603
It's over for autismcels. Really you just do not have the corretly developed brain for it, the best you can do is try to emulate it cosciuosly which is easier if you know theory about evopsych and if you can do praxis do it in environments as controlled and predictable as possible.
>>36559
>Hegel
>Orwell
lel
>>36584
I don't think you have to be so pessimistic about it. I know some autistic guys who are doing pretty well for themselves socially. A bit quirky but still capable of having jobs, friends and partners.
>>36559
>mosley

fascists genuinely think mosley is some kind of god tier intellectual whos "too clever for nazis ecksdee I'm not a nazi I'm a fascist learn the difference ecksdee".

I swear to god if my grandfather was still alive.
>>36559
>Huxley
But why

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Modern Axis of Evil Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 22:30:16 No. 36489 [Reply]
Who are they?
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>>36489
Let's be clear, there's no "modern" axis of evil
But between you and me anon, there is a certain (((island))) that is somewhat involved in many things.
I suggest you research Tuvalu.
>>36625
At least you live in a poor corrupt shithole. I'm glad that NATO bombed you, it's only a pity that you didn't die.
>>36633
Don't you have Germans to suck off?
>evil
Nice spooks nerd.
Memes aside:

>America
-Self-explanatory
>Saudi Arabia
-Also self-explanatory
>Israel
-War crimes and denial of the genocide they did back in 1948
-What they are doing to Gaza
-Organ harvesting scandals
-Sex tourism
-How comes they even have nukes?
>Japan
-Controled by pedophile elites
-War crimes and genocide denial during WW2 in Mainland China and Korea while playing the victim because muh two nukes.

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>>36644
Also Duerte

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Malcolm X Anonymous 08/18/2019 (Sun) 21:13:24 No. 33820 [Reply]
What the fuck was his ideology? Was he a commie? A nazi? An ethnonationalist? Did he really hate the jews?
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>>35663

Right, but Malcolm wrote this to Rockwell after breaking with the NOI:
>This is to warn you that I am no longer held in check from fighting white supremacists by Elijah Muhammad's separatist Black Muslim movement, and that if your present racist agitation against our people there in Alabama causes physical harm to Reverend King or any other black Americans who are only attempting to enjoy their rights as free human beings, that you and your Ku Klux Klan friends will be met with maximum physical retaliation from those of us who are not hand-cuffed by the disarming philosophy of nonviolence, and who believe in asserting our right of self-defense -- by any means necessary.
>>36493
>that you and your Ku Klux Klan friends will be met with maximum physical retaliation from those of us who are not hand-cuffed by the disarming philosophy of nonviolence, and who believe in asserting our right of self-defense -- by any means necessary.
That's quite based.
>>36487
Articles by Rahsid Johnson and the associated IWOC tend to slap btw
https://archive.org/details/negronation00harr/page/n6
>>35663
Rockwell looks doughy as hell in that picture.
>>36504
Thank you comrade.
>>36477
Yeah if I remember correctly that's a good paraphrase of what he said in a later section of the autobio, but I also remember it being phrased in a context that was unusually forgiving towards whites while hinting that maintaining a greater suspicion towards Jews was prudent. Has been almost a decade since I've read it however.

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Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 23:10:22 No. 36579 [Reply]
Oh my fucking god, can these people get anymore dumber?
...is the implication here that "Antifa" is racist? I really don't understand what's going on here
>>36588
"Antifa are the real fascists!!!! 111"
>>36581
hell yeah
>>36581
I'd wear that patch.

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Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 23:29:05 No. 36612 [Reply]
Does Kurdistan and Rojava any fucking hope in hell of facing Turkey and living to tell the tale?
we already have a Rojava thread up, but it's difficult to tell. The population demographics show the Kurdish people outnumbering the turkish population in the future, so there's that. Even if Rojava is invaded, the militant groups will continue to exist but just as guerrila orgs.

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Rojava Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 10:15:47 No. 35724 [Reply]

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>>36218
Isnt Erdogan banning tons of communist parties atm?
>>36114
You have been visited by BASHAR THE LION. Pincer movements and encircled rebels will come to you, but only if you post “PINCH THAT LOAF BASHAR” in this thread.>>36114
Kurdish is a neat language, no idea it was Ind-European.
>>36289
And I thought learning German was hard.
>>35724
Revolution in Rojava with Debbie Bookchin and David Graeber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAJgq8H4L7U

[USA] Portland OR Happening Anonymous 08/17/2019 (Sat) 07:01:41 No. 30994 [Reply]
You guys think we're going to get shot tomorrow?

Portland is real spooky right now. They are shutting down roads, preparing national guard, weirdos everywhere. Proud Boys are roaming around. A bunch of civnat state assets just got picked up on felony riot charges too (Joey Gibson, etc) and some of them are allegedly hiding from marshalls.

The economy is doing shit, maybe there'll be a happening! Also LOL @ Oathkeepers backing out!
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>>32770
Finally, now we can finally beat up liberal antifascists and know which one is which.

Red Bloc vs Banana Bloc when?
>>36451
shoo shoo rightoid
>>36451
The same porky funding the anti communist propaganda, Are you retard?
>>36571
Source?
>>36456
>>r/socialism

The Social Media Question Comrade 08/19/2019 (Mon) 15:11:52 No. 537 [Reply]
What is to be done about social media?
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>>538
But how will we deal with all the normies who are addicted to it?
>>539

give em better stuffs to do obvsly
Replaced with socialist media ofc
Look at it from a materialistic perspective: Social media is a capitalistic enterprise dominating society; monopoly.

What are alternatives to this? Tor, i2p, Zeronet, Freenet.

With out capitalism "social media" (which should really more appropriatly be called 'anti-social media' wouldn't exist as it wouldn't be able to constantly shove itself in our faces.

Furthermore, these things are the result of social alienation and with out capitalism social alienation would become a thing of the past.

I imagine people would go back to communicating through gophers and other random mediums; Facebook could also be socialized itself or collectivized; Become open source.
Facebook, Twitter, etc. would be nationalized and possibly merged into one, democratically controlled social media network free of all forms of corporate manipulation.

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/crisis/ General Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 07:43:55 No. 8552 [Reply]
DOW/Market Watch Thread
monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations, etc.
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>>36423
we've seen horrible economic recessions under Obama, it happens every 10 years.
>>36423
Capitalism my dude. Boom and bust.
Trump is just rich boi demagogue who wants muh economy to do well cause he'll make $
>>36377
The "we'll make the great depression look like a minor fuckup" degree
>>36423
A little from column A, a whole lot from column B.

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Thoughts on Giuseppe Garibaldi? Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 18:44:59 No. 36187 [Reply]
Garibaldi had long claimed an interest in a vague ethical socialism such as that advanced by Henri Saint-Simon and saw the struggle for liberty as an international affair.[29][31] He interpreted the International Workingmen's Association as an extension of the humanitarian ideals for which he had always fought. Although he did not agree with their calls for the abolition of property, Garibaldi defended the Communards and the First International against the attacks of their enemies: "Is it not the product of the abnormal state in which society finds itself in the world? ... Shouldn't a society (I mean a human society) in which the majority struggle for subsistence and the minority want to take the larger part of the product of the former through deceptions and violence but without hard work, arouse discontent and thoughts of revenge amongst those who suffer?"[29]

Garibaldi wrote a letter to Celso Ceretti in which he declared: "The International is the sun of the future [sole dell'avvenire]!"[29][32] The letter was printed in dozens of workers' newssheets and papers, and was instrumental in persuading many fence-sitters to join the organization.[32] After Garibaldi's death, many of his disciples embraced the libertarian socialist ideas of Mikhail Bakunin.
Did nothing wrong. Also tried to sign-up for the Union in the American civil war the absolute based madman.
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> After Garibaldi's death, many of his disciples embraced the libertarian socialist ideas of Mikhail Bakunin.
BASED
>>36200
Yea there was a weird period of the 1860s-70s where European revolutionaries were really into Bakunin & Kropotkin.
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Utter, absolute and complete crap!
He masked his obedience to the House of Savoy and their porkies with "patriotic" and "progressive" words, but the only practical thing he did was leading an expedition -paid for and armed by the Savoy pederasts - to dismantle the Kingdom of the Two Sicily and annex it in order to:
1) pillage the treasure Naples had accumulated by taxing the shit out the peasants there while not spending shit just to pay back the huge debts the Savoy had;
2) allowing the same kind of parasites that ruled the south to just switch sides and keep going with their shit, just the King had to flee - that's the philosophy exposed in the book "Il Gattopardo" by the Count Tomasi di Lampedusa;
3) betraying all the shit he had been saying for decades by ceding control of it to the Savoy king immediately.
Marx was entirely correct when he called out his shit.
If you are interested in some serious, actually republican and socialist - or at least proto-socialist - people of that period, check Carlo Cattaneo and Carlo Pisacane.
GG made an enormous contribution, no doubt: he helped make this failed state exactly as it was supposed to be right from day one.
And fuck off to all the anarkiddies wetting themselves bc "some of his followers turned bakuninist"... which is highly debatable, btw.

Anonymous 08/17/2019 (Sat) 13:50:02 No. 31434 [Reply]
work is actually good!
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>>31449
Well I usually finish my woodcutting at the end of summer/start of autumn. How am I going to cut wood in winter otherwise???
Work is a distraction from the actual structures that allow you to level up for real.
>>34099
WE ARE WE ARE
WALMART
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>>31434
Work does make you free after all
I’ve tried to make it a game in my own head in order to cope, but something tells me he doesn’t find anything wrong with the system itself.

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Hungarian Thread for /voros/ refugees Comrade 08/10/2019 (Sat) 14:28:46 No. 21908 [Reply]
Nem mintha ne lett volna halott amúgy a táblánk. Mégis abban reménykedek, hogy pár anon idetalál. Mármint annyira kellemes volt a /voros/.

Amúgy valakinek nincs valami a csatolt képhez hasonlója, csak azzal különbséggel, hogy Budapest van rajta? Tuti hogy nincs, de azért megkérdezem.
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Anon élvezi a tűzijátékot?
>>36139
Má megin micsinátá?
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>>35598
Nem tudom melyiket utáljam jobban...
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>>36263
> átlag Momentum szavazó vs átlag mihazánkos
>>36239
Lusta voltam kimenni. Már eleget voltam a városban így is amikor vettünk a családnak az ország tortájából.

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/leftypol/ reading list Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 07:32:55 No. 8537 [Reply]

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>>35684
Fug, the pdf for Escape Velocity: Cyberculture at the End of the Century by Mark Dery is a book review, soz senpai
>>33957
fisher elaborated on derrida's theory.
>>8537 I wouldn't recommend the manifesto, it's just a propaganda pamphlet. 'Principles of Communism' is way better IMO.
>>35684
oh my lord thank you so much for this! It was like impossible to find these.

Comrade 08/11/2019 (Sun) 22:40:37 No. 24364 [Reply]
adapting deleonism is the only way to synthesize a modern, effective form of socialism in the first world
prove me wrong
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>>35082
Idk how Britain works or the status of trade unionism in it but if there shoe fits
>>34262
Any particular Marxist platform isn't inherently opposed to religion?
>>34262
So is capitalism. Should it have a capitalist element? Fek off.
>>36363
The difference is it's not a related element
How would you have to fundamentally change theory in order to incorporate already existing religious thought that differs from most contemporary religious thought in that it has specifically been adapted to marxism

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/leftypol/ Mentorship Program Anonymous 08/18/2019 (Sun) 17:05:13 No. 33571 [Reply]
Since we have so many knowledgeable anons here and at least as many thirsting for more knowledge, I though it would be nice to pair them up and help each other study leftist theory or anything else!

If you are interested, post here:
1. A nickname (could be anything)
2. A way to contact you (e-mail, matrix, fedi, etc.)
3. Things that you are willing to mentor (e.g.: basics of Marxism, history, warfare, programming, whatever) (it's okay to leave this empty)
4. Things that you would be interested in being mentored in (it's okay to leave this empty)
5. How much time you can dedicate to studying/mentoring

Please remember that a mentor is supposed to give you guidance in your studies but studying is still your own responsibility! Be kind to each other and be grateful for the opportunity!
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Sorry but I am ok on myself
>>36236
he is pretty actively far-right
>>36236
He's a Fascist apologiser.
can you please not turn even this thread into incel shit
>>36307
What this comrade said.
Please if you want to discuss "incel" issues go to the containment thread >>15551 and if you want to discuss your sexual life you can go to >>>/GET/.
Thanks.
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Sam Seder attacks Jimmy Dore again, rushes in defense of Democrats Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 06:15:43 No. 35630 [Reply]
https://youtu.be/_FHgshLuCwM

Highlights:

"Progressive Democrats won't come on this show" (whining about how Jimmy Dore gets requests to be on his show)

"Even if their politics are the same, young Democrats are better than boomers" (!!!)
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>>35646
Yeah source?
>>36063
I'm guessing this is it? Though he seems pretty critical of Mao.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7oxDi6AYe4
In general he talks about Marx quite a bit, had Ben Burghis on the show to talk about Marx and Hegel and he's been on Revolutionary Left Radio where he describes himself as a democratic socialist and "analytically" Marxist. And he has read Das Kapital.
He seems to be a genuine socialist, and not opposed to revolution.
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>>35630
i can tolerate seder at times, but when they do their dore jihad they can go hang
There's an e-celeb/e-drama cointainment thread.
Polite sage.

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Wilhelm Reich Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 19:30:00 No. 36266 [Reply]
Was he /ourguy/? Is he worth reading? Why is Freud and Lacan popular among Marxist but he is only ever mentioned by the SI?
His book sucked ass
>>36267
Which one...?
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The guy was a loony and Freud knew it. He ended up constructing 'orgon energy' collecting orgasm machines. He is pretty popular among leftcom and anarcho types, tho.

>Why is Freud and Lacan popular among Marxist
Because they are actually materialists as opposed to Reich and Jung who were idealists. Lacan actually claimed he was doing diamat.
>>36283
Freud was spooked by idpol, he was everything but a materialist. Lacan was simply a con artist, as proven by his claim of doing diamat.

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Best practises for anti-fascism Anonymous 08/17/2019 (Sat) 23:54:38 No. 32574 [Reply]
In before >glownigger
Just because I'm asking about real world tactics, in the abstract mind you, doesn't mean I'm in the C I fucking A.
I'm posting this because I want to get all the information I can possibly get about anti-fascist street strategy, that is, preparation, position, not being beaten to death, successfully intimidating fascists out of the area, et cetera.
Feel free to post both personal tips and other sources, like pdfs or links to sites.
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>>35293
Back to your cancer containment threads comrade >>15551 >>19732
>>32915
>>32920
>>32922
>>32924
You guys are unbearable
>>33270
Pro-Com or btfo
the antifa movement is non-politically reactionary, If not transformed, a certainty of failure occurs! this means it is non-directly a counter revolutionary force as of now.
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>>35055
>except things that actually have true political effects
getting fascists off the streets isn't a "true" effect?



>please don't disturb the nazis marching up and down our streets, just organize quietly on the side
and you people have the gall to call others liberals
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>>35055
>fighting against fascists by physically fighting against fascists in a public square is bad
>fantasizing about being Lenin 2.0 on himalayan shadow-puppet boards is productive
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