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Anonymous 10/22/2019 (Tue) 17:13:32 No. 102571 [Reply]
Redpill me on why there can't be green capitalism.
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Imagine if the USSR didn't exist and there was no Space Race.
No short term profit.
So these people would stop using fossil fuels(Which you need for basic necessities)? Lmao what sort of retarded reasoning is that?
State capitalism might be able to convert the economy to become "green".
A socialist economy would still be matter because material accounting makes it easier to actually take environmental factor into account.

Consumers can't change the economy because consumers can't possibly know enough about the commodities they buy. Take your friend to a store pick 2 random but similar products from the shelf and ask which of them had the better lower environmental foot print.
there can but its politically unviable because it would lower the living standards of proles to compensate. Green socialism OTOH would compensate for lower living standards by redistributing porkys wealth

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/leftytrash/ Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 07:36:48 No. 1091 [Reply]
Movies, anime, music, feels e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting
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Ah there was a year or two where I wasn't going to chans so thats probably why I missed that. I also remember coming back and seeing mlp had a containment board so I probably missed the spergouts about that. which means I probably missed pony stuff being spammed everywhere. What a good time to suddenly go permanently afk. sorry ponyfags disgust me :) hope that doesnt offend :))
>the peoples champion
lol wut is this another wrestling joke

I keep getting surprised how much of a lolicon the admin is. I've never had a mod so on the side of us dirty otaku perverts before.
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>I keep getting surprised how much of a lolicon the admin is. I've never had a mod so on the side of us dirty otaku perverts before.
>lol wut is this another wrestling joke

yeah all those things were Rock sayings. dunno why that became a thing
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>too late to join the armed struggle for democratic federation in northern Syria
<just in time to join post-brexit IRA bombmaking factories producing chemical weapons for revolutionary war against the anglo

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Any PMC fags here? Anonymous 10/23/2019 (Wed) 04:17:05 No. 103011 [Reply]
very gay blog post incoming:

Just read Death of a Yuppie Dream by the Ehrenreichs a few days ago


Nothing new here, but it was still pretty rough reading this description of the complete despair I feel sometimes.

> At its wealthier end, skilled professionals continue to jump ship for more lucrative posts in direct service to capital: Scientists give up their research to become “quants” on Wall Street; physicians can double their incomes by finding work as investment analysts for the finance industry or by setting up “concierge” practices serving the wealthy. At the less fortunate end of the spectrum, journalists and PhDs in sociology or literature spiral down into the retail workforce. In between, health workers and lawyers and professors find their work lives more and more hemmed in and regulated by corporation-like enterprises. The center has not held. Conceived as “the middle class” and as the supposed repository of civic virtue and occupational dedication, the PMC lies in ruins.

> More profoundly, the PMC’s original dream—of a society ruled by reason and led by public-spirited professionals—has been discredited. (...) the PMC has also managed to discredit itself as an advocate for the common good.

Right out of graduation I watched a lot of my friends who studied physics and (non computer) engineering jump ship to work at big tech companies. A lot of the ones who stuck it through with their majors are eating shit in PhD programs doing research on things they don't care about, trying their hardest not to think about the job market their broke asses will be entering once they finish their PhDs. I studied math and cs in college and not wanting to work for a tech company, opted to join a fucking consulting firm instead.

My boys and I... I guess we're the lucky ones. little to no student debt, pulling in 6 figures 2 years out of undergrad. the alienation is crushing. it's so fucking exhausting waking up in the morning knowing that a decade and a half of hard work and studying just allows me to whore myself out to capital for a better price than your average joe could get (yeah yeah, boo fucking hoo). It's not too bad now because I can look forward to leaving my job at the end of the year. But I wanted to bitch and moan a bit about being promised from a young age that my brains would be of some use to society.

Anyway thanks for coming to my TED talk.
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I would consider myself part of the "dumpies," which is a term I heard once to refer to people who were trained / brought up with the expectation of filling this managerial layer of society -- that includes academia, media, NGOs etc. along with many other industries -- but because of neoliberalism the economy has not been able to absorb these people; as a result the ex-PMC is "dumped" onto the retail economy. So it's made up with the detritus of that, mentally-ill headcases, et al.

PMC is not the right term. The PMC exists. But there is a difference between PMCs and dumpies.

If I'm going to go out on a limb, I think the dumpies might be developing into an intellectual "vanguard" so to speak for new socialist movements. These people have skills in writing, communication, "human resource" organization and graphic design. "Antifa" is not just anarchist street rats anymore but includes un- and under-employed professional gumshoes who are good at digging up information and doxxing people, which is why the fascists suck at it when they try to do it. Anyways, the question is whether "socialism" will just end up being diverted into restoring this old class position for the dumpies through more funding for education and the arts under a Bernie Sanders administration or whether it'll turn into something more radical. I'm not sure. I think it could go in different directions.

The Rosa Luxemburg Foundation, which published that, puts out a lot of good stuff and is closely linked with the DSA in the U.S. from what I understand. Like I've seen their stuff available at DSA tables, and DSA is full of dumpies. Dumpies of the world unite!

What are the chances of the US BTFO-ing China in the next 10 years Anonymous 10/22/2019 (Tue) 17:55:22 No. 102589 [Reply]
I've seen a big wave of performative liberal activism concerning Hong Kong and the Uyghurs. I thought it would be over by now, but they're really milking it; even watched an interview with Mike Pompeo crying about internment camps (lol)

Then I saw some Uyghur women reporting to Congress and it reminded me a lot of the Nayirah testimony which helped pave the way for the Gulf War. So I really believe the media is prepping us for something, getting us outraged enough to demand intervention.

Clearly Trump will never do anything this close to election, and I doubt he's competent enough to maneuver anything later. Bernie is pretty cucked and will likely never intervene. Which leaves us with some establishment ghoul like Warren or Buttgieg to fuck the Chinese
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But yea, for people with access to tools and knowledge of how to clean and maintain a gun, M16 is probably better weapon.
Get ready for 2050 boys. We’re gonna be old, but it’s gonna worth it.
The thing is India is committing the same atrocities they accuse of China. But it doesn’t matter cause it’s “le muh democracy”.
Gun in the hands of fat boomers have no value. The Negro and antifa death squads will take care of them.
what about the ops tho

Comrade 10/14/2019 (Mon) 19:56:15 No. 906 [Reply]
hey guys I've been working on a website, here's what I got so far
written in symfony
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>This is comically embarrassing. Am I supposed to take advice from them seriously?
I actually dislike most of the layout they've got although in their defense scaling monospace text in a sane way isn't super easy. Most of the things posted there are by individuals not directly associated with the website if I understand correctly. Here's the standard documentation as a replacement for the documentation they provide if that's helpful:


I don't know off hand of alternative quality sources on implementing grid based responsive websites, so I won't do that.
>You get a rare straggler like @media queries for pointers and hover which were only added in firefox 64 (and so aren't in firefox-esr) but those are pretty rare.
Amusingly the last firefox-esr to not support @media (any-pointer: fine) and similar media queries had its support dropped yesterday.
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I was bored, so instead of fixing the broken part of the CSS I posted yesterday I decided to write a Red Yotsuba theme. Maybe a little too breast cancer awareness, but I like it overall. What do you guy's think?

It's possible to make really clean CSS theme selector using custom properties and <select> tags, I might do that next and just have a dark, yotsuba, and red yotsuba theme.
>that subtitle
Can you explain that please?
Like, they'll be up on the gallows and once they get hanged they start trying to bid for the noose while they are gasping for air?
It's a Stalin quote, if I remember correctly he said this while the Soviet Union was buying massive amounts of foreign equipment to modernize manufacturing. GAZ is a good example of a factory made in this way.

In the case of a /tech/ or /g/ type board the implication is that we can use the technology that the bourgeoisie provide us as weapons against them.

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Anonymous 10/09/2019 (Wed) 23:10:01 No. 87432 [Reply]
we're fairly close to leafland elections and i haven't seen a single canada thread, i can't be the only one here that's a leaf right ?
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They're social democrats with an added mix of Francophone nationalism and paranoia about Islam... so they're French. I'd think of them mainly as social democratic in the same sense as Jimmy Hoffa in that they exist to bring home the bacon by funneling federal money into mob-connected construction companies, which is a great multi-partisan tradition in Quebec.
I can't help but not care less if Quebec wants to ban religious symbols in public service like they did. I just feel like have the right to do that in their own society. Am I wrong or a band person?
nah, laicite is the one based thing that francophone societies impose
>MFW Bernier loses his seat to a dairy farmer
>the party with 23 votes is going to control the part with 157

Anonymous 10/16/2019 (Wed) 19:39:50 No. 96258 [Reply]
are there any right wingers that you respect?
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Bill Hicks Alex Jones is an incredible performance artist.
>ctrl+f adam smith
>0 results
Faith in leftypol restored. Glad everyone here realizes he was pretty radical for this time.
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>are there any right wingers that you respect?
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Trotsky was my joke answer but my serious answer is Jeane Kirkpatrick (she's the one in the middle there, like the power behind the throne). Developed the "Kirkpatrick Doctrine" during the 80s which was about supporting authoritarian regimes around the world if they obeyed Washington.

Officially the U.S. ambassador to the U.N. in those years, but really one of these institutional brainiacs who actually run the show when the Republicans put in one of their wax dummy Hollywood actors in the Oval Office to keep the rubes agitated.

Anyways, she was a total anti-communist killer and absolutely ruthless. Came up with the Contras in El Salvador who bayoneted kids and nuns. So I don't know if "respect" is the right word, although respect can come from fear.

Oswald Mosley was a joke. He never killed anybody. Jeane Kirkpatrick killed a lot of people.

The reason the Trump White House is so incompetent and got outplayed in February by Maduro is because these old-guard anti-communist killers all died or retired. John Bolton is sort of a toady who came up under these people but just isn't as good at it.

Kirkpatrick was also once a communist. As a girl she was in Young People's Socialist League from a family of Oklahoma prairie communists. So she knew the theory. That makes her scarier. Most right wing people today don't know anything about Marxism.

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Decline of 4chan Anonymous 10/12/2019 (Sat) 23:12:34 No. 91322 [Reply]

There has been a general trend of image boards either stagnating or declining in posts. What do you believe to be the issue for the website as a whole? Outside of a few boards such as /asp/, /int/ and shit, it seems as if most boards are either on a sharp decline /biz/, /cgl/ or just breaking even /v/, /pol/. What do you believe is causing 4chan's issues?
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>people forget that 4chan was this place where people used to escape reality and the fact that /pol/yps started to shove reality into every single fucking board has accelerated to the decay
God, this. It's impossible to go anywhere on the internet nowadays without some faggot /pol/tard going on about some political shit and trying to proselytize. You can only escape reality by altogether avoiding anything with message boards or chats. I swear it has never been so bad. Even back when the fedora+guy fawkes mask atheism was all the rage, those guys at least only sperged out about a narrow set of topics. /pol/ injects real world shit into everything.

And it has spread to other language sectors of the internet too. Russia's 2ch got overrun by this shit which has almost completely eradicated the local board culture and replaced it with everyone talking about American SJWs and niggers. I get /pol/ shit on my VK.com feed out of nowhere. It's awful. I can't fucking wait for WW3 or the next financial catastrophe
...so... i never visited these sites but i can tell you tgat the same problems have here.

wy do we go on about china vs. "abstract sociaism" when it is clear tha it is not like so?
>4chan culture has become this thing that everyone has adopted, you can barely go to any other place of the internet without finding someone using 4chan speak to a certain degree.

Reason I just cannot go through my FBI feed and cringe. Greentext stories and Wojack variant number 9754 leaking to social media was a big mistake.
Get on my level bitches!
Pepakura board only!
No /pol/ shit there! Original meymeys are rare but we have them!

It's like old 4chan but frozen in time.
Pic related. Although came from DeviantArt.

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What the hell is up with Market Socialism? Anonymous 10/22/2019 (Tue) 23:27:35 No. 102790 [Reply]
I don't get the ideas of market socialists it does make sense to me at all. Not only is it un-Marxist of them to think that market is good. Why should there be market in the first place?

Free Market is one of the main reasons wrong with capitalism. It gives private corporations to make not safe products for the public so they can get more profit for them selves. Not giving a care for the worker that needs it more than them. It as well as gives the power to the higher class because they can use free market into use of spreading there companies international to the 3rd world. With disregard of the people there and there needs.

Not only that if we were to have free market into a socialist society. How would it be socialist? Free market exploits the workers and their lives. It is one of the main reasons that it does not help the proletariat

if social democracy is capitalism with socialist ideas then Market Socialism is socialism with capitalist ideas

It is better if we do not have free market at all to help the working people and to enforce the power to the working people. So the higher class does not dare exploit them again or the ones that need the wealth more than them.
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>Just because their is external trade doesn’t mean their is external control.
>Other countries need your trade as much as you need their trade.
This is not true at all, for any nation that imports more than it exports. Or is heavily reliant on certain imported or exported goods.

>No, but their is enough British goods being made for exports
no there isn't we are a highly financialised economy. Also we have a very bad spread of land ownership, a lot of the economy is driven by rents and the housing market. We are a very bourg driven economy. We have all the things you need to sustain financial imperialism, but socialism, no. Not yet anyway.

>if it is imported by the state and imports are purchased their is no market control
you can't just state this, you are denying the inherently exploitative nature of markets, where there are markets, there is exploitation, control. Pretty much unless you are the US, China, or maybe Germany

>High end goods and tech are pretty valuable exports.
but not essential goods which people need to live off, which means you are even more dependent on other places for essential goods, food for example. Not everywhere that wants to buy high grade military equipment also has foodstuffs to give, most of the market is other imperial powers, who have the same problem you have.

>And with some concentrated effort in only a few months closed down factories can be reopened in deindustrialize area which can provide for domestic need or increase exports.
still takes time, and often given the situation its not just a case of "given just a few months" because conditions are nearly always adverse.

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market socialist want a market where stuff is commodified, but labour-power is not a commodity. Really existing market socialism is basically what China does, where labour power is a commodity and is exploited by capitalists for profit, but capital is politically cucked by the communist party.
to an extend this is true, however all those needed powerful institutions that limited the influence of markets on politics and society. But you do not need to control 40-80% of thee world to be able to run a fully planed economy. You can have a country with moderate terotechnological means that runs a fully planed economy where you have seems-less conversion mechanisms between your labour voucher planned economy and external money-market economy look up Chapter 10 p114 towards a new socialism (appended to comment)
Socialism has to extract surplus too, you are correct, but a socialist system will return the surplus back to the workers in one form or another, and that would not be exploitative. And clearly we don't have to wait until magic sci-fi technology has arived to abandon markets. The primary technology needed to replace market based economic allocation is computers to calculate input and outputs of production. This cearly exists now, and it's only the poltical initiative that lacks behine this.
while co-ops are definitely better than private business, they do have problems
First alienation can comeback: https://youtu.be/XBDZHw1brWs?t=2244
Second over time the same dynamics like in capitalism will re-emerge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQrEEdy_uwM because those are an inherent aspect of money-market exchange systems.
>f you go back to the 19th-century socialists like Marx they saw the elimination of a monetary economy as being absolutely essential. One can read the whole of Marx’s Capital as a prolonged argument to the effect that a monetary industrial economy leads inevitably to the whole set of capitalist institutions. From money and industry comes the buying of labour power, from this comes exploitation and the class system. From exploitation stem all the other evils of the system.Any attempt to introduce a reformed monetary economy leaves the basic logic untouched. The underlying tendencies implicit in the monetary economy re-assert themselves. The experience of hitherto existing socialism which altered property ownership without eliminating money and monetary calculation are a testimony to this inner logic. There was a constant pressure to re-introduce more and more capitalist elements to the economy since these capitalist institutions are an inner necessity of monetary logic.
While you are correct about resource constraints and the possibility of capitalist encirclement, you do have to consider that there also is technological depreciation of special resources, where overtime you move to more abundant elements to reproduce a technological function. So called meta materials where structural patterns in a material allow to reproduce material-proprieties with elements that do not initially exhibited these.
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>Really existing market socialism is basically what China does, where labour power is a commodity and is exploited by capitalists for profit, but capital is politically cucked by the communist party.
It's retarded. No further discussion is necessary.
Your chart is still wrong, read the green text in >>102978

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Opinion on houellebecq Anonymous 10/07/2019 (Mon) 13:05:08 No. 84243 [Reply]
What do lefty here's think of this author. Some of his work is inspired by modern leftists thinkers. His works make neoliberal societies seem like hellscapes
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I've only read The Elementary Particles and Platform, so I can't address the usual criticism stating that he started to get repetitive, but I enjoyed them. Maybe some of his observations are not as clever as he seems to think they are and the provocative parts tend to fall flat but when it comes to the criticism of free market economy and neoliberal status quo - he's fantastic.
Typical French pseud.
Dont fucking drag down TOR torrenting you jew get a real fucking vpn and use that
Simmer down, sperglord. The site is blocked if you're not on tor, so you need to get the magnet links through tor then torrent them on a clearnet client. You don't need to, and shouldn't, download the data over tor.
He's a twisted right-wing freak who hates everybody (most of all himself) but at least he's honest about it. He has a certain intensity of vision, you could say.

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News 10/22/19 News Anon 3.0 10/22/2019 (Tue) 20:22:59 No. 102666 [Reply]
Russian & Syrian forces to deploy to northeastern Syria outside Turkey operation zone – Putin-Erdogan agreement
The agreement says the Kurdish-led militias – the prime target of the Turkish operation – must withdraw into Syrian territory beyond 30km from the Turkish border. Erdogan's operation, meanwhile, will continue in a limited area – between towns of Tell Abyad and Ras al-Ayn – up to 32km inside Syrian territory.

Spain will exhume dictator Francisco Franco's remains on Thursday
Spain will on Thursday remove the 1.5-tonne slab which has covered the tomb of dictator Francisco Franco for the past 44 years and fly his remains by helicopter away from a state mausoleum, government sources told reporters on Monday.

Chile: State Violence Leads to 1,420 Arrests and 11 Deaths
Chile's National Institute of Human Rights (NHRI) presented on Monday night the latest statistics of detainees and injured since the social protests began on October 17th. According to its report, there have been 1,420 arrests and 84 people wounded by gunfire so far.

Wildcat strike erupts at French National Railways over understaffing, austerity
With anger mounting over understaffing, poor security, pension cuts and the new, two-tier wage system introduced by President Emmanuel Macron’s 2018 partial privatization of the SNCF, workers walked off the job across the rail network.

Iraq says U.S. forces withdrawing from Syria have no approval to stay

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I thought he was organizing at a brewery.
Yeah he is sorry my mistake
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thanks news anon
Danke News Anon!
>Iraq says U.S. forces withdrawing from Syria have no approval to stay

maybe Iraq should proclaim itself a US military free zone! Then watch as America loses its shit and forces occupancy in front of the world all again.

News 10/20/19 News Anon 3.0 10/20/2019 (Sun) 19:37:42 No. 100865 [Reply]
Lebanon’s ‘tax intifada’: Beirut aflame as protesters call for ‘downfall of the regime’
Thousands of protestors have blocked streets across Lebanon with flaming barricades, marching for a second consecutive day over new tax proposals, government ineptitude and inefficiency.

Kurdish-led forces say they have pulled out of Syria border town
The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) said on Sunday they had withdrawn from the border town of Ras al Ain under a U.S.-brokered ceasefire deal, but a spokesman for Turkish-backed Syrian rebels said the withdrawal was not yet complete.

Chile: Three Die After Supermarket Set on Fire
At least three people died after a supermarket in the Chilean capital Santiago was set alight by demonstrators, while many flights into the city's airport were suspended as crew were unable to get to work, the city's governor said on Sunday.

Exarchia: How Airbnb angered Greek anarchists
Activists in an Athens district known for its radical left-wing politics are confronting visitors who they say are causing the gentrification of their neighbourhood.

28 Maoists Surrender In Chhattisgarh's Dantewada

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These people are scum.
no worries thank ya for everythin
based dairy cow progenitor bvlls
The "Western democracies" will just free their old allies and put them back to work in Syria.
There are no Jucheist guerrillas there. The Jucheist party in Nepal peacefully runs one city and thats pretty much it.

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Stalin Golden Ruble. The Forgotten History. Anonymous 10/22/2019 (Tue) 02:30:37 No. 102211 [Reply]
This is the story of the last unfinished project of Stalin, Stalin Golden ruble, which has not lost its relevance today, though it's been 60 years. He could become one of world reserve currencies, in the distant 1950

"...If a socialist country its currency is tied to the currency capitalist, then of self-sustainable financial and economic system social-the country need to forget. .. I. V. Stalin ".

For reference; Today global reserve currencies are: US dollar, Euro, Japanese yen, British pound sterling, Swiss franc. There is also another special currency of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) – SDR.


By the beginning of the great Patriotic war (22 June 1941), the gold reserves of the USSR amounted to 2600 tons of gold, and it was located in this territory .
Thanks to the gold of the USSR since August 1941, began to receive badly needed, in the first months of war, weapons and strategic materials from the anti-Hitler coalition countries ( primarily from England and the USA). By 1942, the USSR joined the international program of lend-lease, which combined the economy of the 27 countries. ( Officially, the decision to lend-lease to the USSR were recorded by the President of the United States, only 11 of June of 1942).

In the Soviet Union, at that time, was created the most powerful gold mining industry, which ensured the annual increase of gold reserves in the country, more than 100 tons (every year!). Gold mining was declared a strategic industry and all concerned and especially gold mining, had a secret. Responsible for the extraction of gold L. P. Beria, head of NKVD, and most of the gold in the country (70%), was mined in the Kolyma prisoners and civilian employees of the trust Dalstroy (Magadan). All the mined gold was received into the State Treasury.

The Soviet ruble since 1937, was pegged to the US dollar. And the price of gold, at the time, was also calculated in US dollars.


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OP, what's the point? Do you also believe that contracts become more reliable if we randomly select people to be slaughtered and write the contracts with their blood? Next time you count something with your fingers, cut off each finger you use because then it really means something because of your sacrifice, since any sacrifice must have a corresponding good thing coming out of it in the end, right? You actually believe that? Whip yourself and God will show mercy. If you worry about getting ripped off relative to some official exchange rate set by a bureaucracy once in a blue moon just let the exchange rate float instead, for fucks sake.
What's this thing between communists and gold? It's like the Incas empire
Actually this is an interesting question. What is the value of gold in the USSR? Back on 8leftypol there was a discussion on computing socially necessary labour time for a commodity that is produced from waste of another commodity. One example is producing salt from brine waste form desalination process.

On the question of gold, in Stalin's time, Gold was probably purchased abroad or mined traditionally. But later, in the 60s and 70s gold mines ran dry the USSR used a method of extracting gold from the waste output of copper mining. In such a case does the value embodied in the copper also transfer into the extracted gold?
This is why the revisionists poisoned him

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The fuck is happening in Chile? Anonymous 10/19/2019 (Sat) 09:17:18 No. 98814 [Reply]
Chile's president, Sebastian Pinera, has declared state of emergency and has given the control of the police to the military

What has happened in Chile for this to happen?
Why all of this happenings? Syria/Rojava, Catalonia, Ecuador, and now Chile, lel
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Kek, this was my city. Check this out, a little close up.

Not real. Officially it's 15 deaths.

That's fake also. Everyone has internet.
Chilean here. This is a good video.
https://represionenchile.com/ check this page guys.
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btw, here is a google graph showing the search interest about a Constituent assembly + the concepts of comunism and anarchism in Chile
I know this doesn't mean much, but its interesting to say the least ;)

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They're going after Evo 10/07/2019 (Mon) 07:28:40 No. 83981 [Reply]
Liberals failed at removing Maduro, naturally they're going after the other vaguely leftist South American country: Bolivia

Who's ready for a repeat of February? Evo Morales take my energy ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
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It really is hard to tell
1) most of the times we get drunk and on drugs together we just end up arguing capitalism v socialism so he has inherent biases personally
2) i cant read spanish and don't know much about spanish news so its harder to verify sources he gives

From what i can see if this strike goes ahead and has any density, then its basically the test of legitimacy, if its a flop then Evo wins, if it a third of the population turn out out he probably still wins, if its 40 or 50 he has a problem, if its more than that he is fucked.

Thing is, even according to the IMF Bolivia is doing extremely well, particularly for where it is. His policies are working and he has a large base in the countryside, with the ethnics of the situation on his side also. You can also bet it is these people who have the shittier jobs, which are coincidentally the most important for keeping the country going, transport, which in bolivia is probably a lot of trucks, for example, farming, which is gonna be mostly in the countryside, where his main support is.

The other guy, Mesas, is from a Party called the "Revolutionary left front" which is funny because if you go on the wikipedia it literally says their ideology is reformist, third way and social democratic. So he's essentially a Blairite. His vote therefore probably comes from the managerial middle class and given the situation, probably a fair amount of petit bourg, these people striking doesn't make too much of a difference

i don't know much about what the army and military are saying. Supposedly police in some towns are saying they wont enforce this result, whatever that means, but he didnt show any evidence of that.
>i base my political views on not liking other peoples political views, rather than formulating a scientific analysis of the world.
fuck off bitch

Why the fuck they even put a fucking T-80 in that picture? At the time those countries still operated WWII-era machines, and even today most of those countries refrain from maintaining a fleet of MBTs
As an ultra, the other guy contradicts Marx and Bordiga on several points. Even leftcoms can't read sometimes
It'd be more respectable if they just based their political views out of cowardice instead of spite.

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Cybernetic socialism general Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 22:17:56 No. 10470 [Reply]
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You are correct in pointing out that state capitalism cuts out other capitalists and hence increases efficiency compared to market capitalism, but it still suffers from money mystification. So there still is no rational allocation of surplus, because labour time isn't directly measured and hence it's not possible to fully optimize technology deployment with regards of reducing the nessecairy amount of labour time nessecairy for a specific task. Also state capitalism can still have a capitalist class that wastes resources and labour time on super luxuries. So state capitalism still lags behind a socialist mode of production.

check out the lecture on production schemes to understand the point about luxuries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6jM8yhzSmA

check out the lecture on surplus value to understand the point about money mystification: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3lTJ9sba8A
Hey guys, I want to translate some of Cockshott's content (mainly his videos). What would be the first video you would translate? In other words, what is the most "to the point" and best explained video of his?
Not sure what you are looking for, is there a reason why you wouldn't start with the first video he uploaded and then continue in chronological order
It is implemented by firms. Firms' internal organisation is centrally planned. Read Coase.

Unless you think that firms have an internal market that determines the allocation of paper across depts, etc.
This thread makes my brain hurt
I think just Ubuntu in a VM.

Anonymous 10/17/2019 (Thu) 02:42:22 No. 96581 [Reply]
What are some good communist anime?

I liked kemono friends a lot.
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Hunter x Hunter has some decent anti-war stuff it in, along with an election arc that treats politics like a spectacle. Also one of the main characters looks like Max Stirner.
Kemonomimi is the ultimate synthesis between furshit and weebshit

They're all here it seems
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reposting from leftytrashcan because they only watch hentai

I'm reading the manga of Beltorchika's Children and Neo Zeon is based. Who here seriously wouldn't support Char. Space colonies are basically Palestine and earth is Israel.
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>they literally hunt immigrant spacenoids on earth for sport
>executing them in the streets
>second pic
wtf is with that stance. I'm surprised that even hit the guy. actually no, since it's a manga
I guess GET wasn't apart of its diasphora.

Anonymous 10/22/2019 (Tue) 11:19:10 No. 102421 [Reply]

gommies BTFO. you can't possibly beat the arguments in this book. Libertarianism ftw!
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lel the introduction can be resumed in just "muh vuvuzuela"
>Chapter 6: Income Inequality Does Not Ruin the Economy or Corrupt Government
>Chapter 7: Under Capitalism, the 1 Percent Is Always Changing
Well the chapter about college is even worse than I thought.
>Sweden and China are more meritocratic than the USA because you have to pass exams before going to college.
>Children of blue-collar workers tend not to go to college in Sweden because blue-collar jobs are well-paid
>Swedish students have less debt than Americans, but they still have some because they need to pay a landlord
>The taxes Swedish people pay help to fund their education system, how awful!
He is basically BTFOing himself, it's ridiculous.
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>Chapter 43
Socialism leads to drugged up youth
>Chapter 44
Why crack addiction drives the free market
>Chapter 45
Why the USA should clear our forests and privatize air
>Chapter 46
The lorax is a stalinist.
He pretty much describes the life of the average American

And these people call others "out-of-touch elitists"

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/buger/ Anonymous 10/22/2019 (Tue) 03:07:47 No. 102231 [Reply]
I don't see anyone making the new booger thread so here you go.
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Arguably to a greater degree, but I included it because fighting the nazis kind of outweighs it IMO. Yes, the USSR did most of the fighting, but how would the war have played out without US involvement?

Was it though? Wasn't it still about spheres of influence?
>Was it though?
After 9/11 the US sent the Taliban an ultimatum to hand over Osama Bin Laden to the US, Mohammed Omar leader of the Taliban did not respond. War ensued.
taliban responded asking for evidence that OBL was responsible. War ensued.

<Hilldawg maybe for 2020
its a shame that the bourgs can only be executed once
She should just do it, honk honk nigga

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The role of gender and race Comrade 08/07/2019 (Wed) 16:13:52 No. 15551 [Reply]
Notice: This thread serves as the offical /idpol/ gulag. Direct all threads that are pure idpol here.

Original OP:
I want this thread to be about a couple of things:

- Sharing arguments for a more rigorous understanding of how gender and race act upon people today.
- Using this understanding to form strategies to more effectively organize the working class.
- Building strategies to use this understanding to effectively criticize false or inept strategies of organizing the working class.

I wasn't a part of the discussion in the mod thread about having a general on gender, but I wanted to make a new one anyways because I think it is important to have a thread about both gender and race. Ideally this will not descend into screeds about idpol, though it is inevitable some reactionaries will be drawn to the thread. I want to see quality discussions that make good faith attempts to convince others of positions on identity.

It is not virtue signalling to say this is an important topic of theory for the modern leftist movement. It is clear that identity has had a large role in left-adjacent and liberal politics for the past couple of decades, reaching a peak within probably the last decade. As much as many would wish that they could just erase this and go back to a raw working class politics of trade unionism, it is at this moment a historical fact that the role of identity has come to take a dominant role in much leftist discourse and it can't just be wished away by ridiculing or denying it. The social categories of race and gender are understood now in very particular ways, often very confused ways, by large swathes of the working class. So it seems to me that the goal should be to form convincing and coherent understandings of these social roles in capitalism, to analyze how they are currently being used by both the working class itself and its enemies to achieve/maintain political power, and strategies for directing this in the most fruitful way.

Of course feel free to share books and articles about the subject here too, or to use current events to explore how gender and race effect the working class today.
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>money doesn't work like that
t. liberal
The state has the Gewaltmonopol. The state forces you to pay fines and taxes. The state issues the currency.
>t. liberal
read marx bitch.
>The state has the Gewaltmonopol. The state forces you to pay fines and taxes. The state issues the currency.
So the fuck what? What does this have to do with "money only [being] used as an exchange because people are afraid of state violence"
Read Wray.
>So the fuck what? What does this have to do with "money only [being] used as an exchange because people are afraid of state violence"
Means it's not a social construct, or at least fails to be in one critical aspect. That it's an understanding that is collectively reached. It's not something people collectively came to believe like say people believing in Poseidon because they had no better model to explain how oceans worked.
All your counter arguments just boil down to
>ThAt'S NoT WhAt MaRx SaId!
All while being given explicit examples of what we are saying.
>Source? Pretty sure Marx based a lot of his analysis on the assumption of the existence of private property.
I was mocking you nimrod.
>Specific currencies =/= money.
When that specific money is the currency of practically all trade in the goddamn world it does.

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New Bunkermundo: "The New Man of Stalin and Mises" Anonymous 10/23/2019 (Wed) 01:25:38 No. 102902 [Reply]
Just finished this new post, /leftypol/, result of suffering through Human Action and Economic Problems in the USSR. Hope you enjoy!

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That blogpost reminds me of ancient Superman comics: The boss came up with a wacky idea for a cover and the underlings had to write a story about it. Likewise the impression here is that the text started with an attention-getting phrase and then the writer tried to build a justification around that.
>Elon Musk is perhaps the best embodiment of this synthesis of Mises and Stalin.
Pretentious blahblah (and of course, there's cameo by muke's favorite philosopher).
Hoxha... baby...,
The article began when I started reading human action and noticed some similarities between him and stalin. Even the relation to musk came about pretty organically after I started writing. I really dont think theres anything here that should go over anyone's head.

>there's cameo by muke's favorite philosopher
Who? Zizek? Lol
It's a very good article :)
>stalin is an idiot

Some Marxist girl disrupts meeting of imperialists Anonymous 10/23/2019 (Wed) 01:39:12 No. 102917 [Reply]
So this just happened:


The panel featured Joanna Hausman, some rich gusano girl, who has been advocating for regime change of her own country for quite a while. Her father was neoliberal IMF jerk who imposed austerity in Latin America.
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Hausman is not a Jewish name, I think they just have German origins.
/pol/ would nevertheless go (((hausman))) if they don’t like that person though.
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The eternal German strikes again.
>I’m Venesuhelan because my dad lived there!!!
>Any real Venezuelans that disagree is a commie shill!
What a pathetic excuse for a human being. Even terrorist gusanos and 3-stick viets have more dignity.

ofcourse /pol/tards don't actually attack the status quo, like the good usefull idiots they are
You will never in a million years hear them complain about hayek or friedman

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/crisis/ General Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 07:43:55 No. 8552 [Reply]
DOW/Market Watch Thread
monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations, etc.
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>Market took a little breather today
Those economic bubbles of theirs are going to run out, and eventually, all of a sudden, Chinkistan will fall just like the Soviet Union. Tibet and Xinjiang will leave and Taiwan will annex the rest.
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Your not thinking big enough! were going to go full Balkan on their asses with Manchuria, Cantonia, and everyone else leaving to be small and powerless. the perfect recipe for exploitation!

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/e-eceleb/ internet personality thread Anonymous 10/18/2019 (Fri) 02:59:57 No. 97760 [Reply]
Last one hit bump limit.
This is the new voluntary containment thread for internet personalities.
"I'm not dividing the left, you are" edition.

Archives of previous threads:

Post about youtube/twitter grifters and propagandists ITT. Including but not limited to:
>breadtube libs
>destinycore master debators
>think tank shit like prager u
>podcasters like chapo
>last sons of the west like jordan peterson
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seriously how did r/cumtown fall off the wagon so quick? it's become r/mde2 so fucking hard its had to be quarantined
Jesus lol okay, but two things, he did maintain his innocence so it might (but unlikely i realize) have been a fed hit job on a leftist, and even if he did do it its not like anachists are known to respect state authority, and giving fake working visas is not like sex trafficking... right?
>alien smuggling
So he helped get migrants across the border? Seems like a radical leftist to me.
from the fed document he was helping migrants get fake visas to work as like, hotel help staff, so it's not unlikely that he was just undermining US border enforcement. It's not uncommon to find active lefties have criminal histories. Arson, smuggling, generally defying authorities. Hell, Stalin was a bankrobber, it ain't exactly unprecedented.
From as far as I can tell, that is the case.
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>it ain't exactly unprecedented.
Yeah your right the former liberal in me got a little spooked that he broke the law but i may actually respect him more for it

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RWG - Rojava War General Anonymous 10/09/2019 (Wed) 12:45:10 No. 86498 [Reply]
Here we post news, rumors, opinions, etc. related to the war between Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (NES), often referred to as Rojava and T*rkroaches. Please keep the tankie-anarkiddie shitposting in other threads. Assad/Syria/SAA supporters are welcome too.
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It's not over.
>Kurds are FSA
Literal U.S talking point; the YPG despises the FSA.
Getting your news and updates about the mideast from the CIA and twitter Phalangists I see?
>Literal U.S talking point; the YPG despises the FSA.
i said ex
there are some units of the sdf that are made of ex fsa guys, like for example jaysh al thuwar
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>jaysh al thuwa
they have no power here
there were many people in Afnes that welcomed the SAA but their were also protests in raqqa and al bukamal

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Nostalgia for socialism in Eastern Europe in 2020 Anonymous 10/21/2019 (Mon) 23:20:49 No. 101994 [Reply]
If these statistics are true then thinks are pretty. Does anyone know if this source is correct or is nostalgia for socialism is gone?
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This is true, but the rest of the world jokes about Americans being stupid.
Utterly meaningless stats. If they don't translate into a stronger communist movement, what's the point? These are the same people who will vote for neoliberals and reactionaries that worship NATO and loot the proletariat, not even for succdems and stalinists.
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I can be your friend. I'm too socially inept to leave the country anyway.
Exactly. So consider that even Americans think Poles are retarded.

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Anonymous 10/23/2019 (Wed) 00:22:25 No. 102837 [Reply]
It's almost Halloween! Wanna see some spooky ghouls and goblins???
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>expect animu tiddies
>get mass murderers laughing
that's one way to kill an erection
he said something spooky dummy
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ghost tiddies

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OC Thread 4.0 Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 08:50:19 No. 8622 [Reply]
OC Thread 4.0
>New thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content
Post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you want to share.
Or ITT collaborate on improving content already made.

/leftypol/'s booru:
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Leftist gunners where you at?

Right-wing gun owners have a massive fetish for pretending to give a shit about tyranny while also licking Trump & police boots
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I did this once but never posted it, might as well do it now
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shit I got form the old thread.
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Anonymous 10/21/2019 (Mon) 17:35:57 No. 101594 [Reply]
What are your thoughts on Michael Moore. Is he a real leftist or a liberal?
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Hes the definition of a rad lib.
He doesnt like capitalism, but his understanding of it is very poor.
I watched a speech he gave for bernie sanders and he called it a “feudal system”
liberal "Obama was a radical because he had his middle name on the ballot"
It's not paranoia if they are really out to get you.
liberal, but he could be a useful liberal
Liberal, but he's a decent ally for all intents and purposes. Probably would have been a proper leftist if he'd read some theory when he was younger.

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Radical Centrist Here Anonymous 10/22/2019 (Tue) 06:03:26 No. 102305 [Reply]
Yes, I'm a radical centrist, and yes, I'm voting for Biden or Warren (preferably Biden).

Once you get past all of the rhetoric and class warfare talk, you realize Bernie doesn't know shit and would tank our government.

You may think you want radical change but this is your youthful stupidity talking. Do you want to be like Venezuela?

Seriously guys, I love you but - get a job, and get off my lawn. Stay home in November and the let the adults vote, okay?
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no one is a free thinker, including you. you're patronizing tone is dime a dozen for liberals
can you stop reddit spacing?
You aren't a centrist, Bernie is a centrist, you are just right wing.
lmao we are voting Trump, absolute faggot.
This thread motivated me to register to vote as a 20 year old who has never even considered voting before.
I'm voting Bernie, and if he loses i'm voting Trump. Fuck liberals.

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/QTDDTOT/ Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 17:50:55 No. 36099 [Reply]
Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread.
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what if i told you people have motivation outside of money
How would turism be handled under socialism?
Nationalize airbnb

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Greeting From a Board Less Sheltered Anonymous 10/19/2019 (Sat) 23:40:16 No. 99648 [Reply]
Made this thread a while back on the only leftychan
Went pretty well till some fucker spazzed out and got banned for wrong thing
(Honestly its a bit fucking ridiculous that you guys do that under any circumstance outside raids or child porn)
But tbh i came here in good faith.
I came here to ask, once again, why you think you are revolutionary?
Now that may sound a bit tongue in cheek but bare with me because I think it has more merit then your realizing.
Ask yourselves this
When was the last time you saw a movie put out by the corporate propaganda machine known as "hollywood" about the holocaust?
And when was the last one about the Holodomor?
How many times as Chompsky been asked to speak at yale, harvard prinston and the other seets of american wealth and power?
And when do you think they will be inviting doctor Jared Taylor?
Why is it that multi million dollar corperations allow people to openly call for the abolishment of the market system an end capitalism on their platforms
Yet react in pants shitting terror when some brings up the jewish question or race and IQ on same said outlets?
You se to me.
It looks like the establishment doesnt really view you as a threat

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Chomsky was paid by the CIA through the congress for cultural freedom and the partisan review magazine in order to divide the left. They used this trotskyist proxy to stop soviet backed elements in the communist movement and move Marxism more towards post modernism. it was a strategic decision. Chomsky's legacy remains a part of that era.


Also, there were American companies who profited off the war with the Nazis. Moreover, the business plot was an attempted Fascist coup from the majority of the Bourgeios against Roseavelt who was backed by the Rockefellers (because they saw Fascism as being more unstable than liberal democracy and had the money to use this different strategy).


The capitalist class is not a uniform and all encompassing unit, it is a war between elites with competing interests.
>tfw the only fascist /pol/acks I've personally spoken to outside chans were a homesexual and a Jew
>It looks like the establishment doesnt really view you as a threat

The establishment views the population as the threat to be managed. Hence the securitization of society through a plethora of surveillance apparatuses. The threat is less the deviant or publicly vocal than the "whatever" (quelconque) person.
Why are we still entertaining this retard? He literally said that anybody who advocates for equality of any kind = communist, and he says that FUCKING AMERICA isn't anti-communist. You cannot convert somebody using reason somebody who completely opposes it.
>if i were to run, i'd run as a republican
anyone have that meme edit where it says reply to this post or your mother dies in her sleep
or the other one where he says he likes to ass rape women

Trotskyism Anonymous 10/05/2019 (Sat) 07:08:34 No. 82109 [Reply]
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was surprised by a fanatic woman who insisted we had to hurry up and eat babies to save the climate.

I then looked into LaRouche PAC, who claiming they were the ones orchestrating a hoax, according to the satire "A Modest Proposal". Its founder, Lyndon LaRouche, was quite the character, and he subscribed to Trotskyism, contiunous Marxist revolutionary work. The FBI kept close tabs on him.

Then I came across an article by the group themselves, claiming Trump was enacting their economic policy. The narrative is they interfered with AOC's presentation because they were pro-Tromp.

But I don't quite know what to think. This all seems quite simple and direct, but I'm not ruling out there being some 17D chess going on. Anyone care to weigh in on this?
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You are moving the goalposts. First you said:
>fomrer (?) larouchite
Now you say:
>Larouche inspired
Given that La Rouche has espoused just about any opinion at some point as well as the opposite (worked with a close colleague of MLK and the KKK), what does this amount to?
Is it bad that I like Trotsky’s writings, but dont really want to be a Trotskyist because of all the baggage like this?
No. I'm pretty much the same.
All the love for some and the hate for others is literally just memes.
Sad to see people fall for memes and think they have to pick out a great leader boss ideology.
>I'm wondering if Trotskyism has been adapted to subdue paranoid religious people

The CIA studied Marxism and found it a religion, a secular one.

So combining religion to it would make it stronger.

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Anti-China Sentiment on Reddit Anonymous 10/21/2019 (Mon) 05:53:56 No. 101298 [Reply]
Just found this at /r/Chapo and holy fuck, reddit is getting even more anti-China and it shows. And this is just more proof that it is not and never will be about democracy or human rights. There isn't even a pretense of caring about protesters, it seems like its a big psyop. They shit their pants every day about how Tencent owns 10% of reddit, yet this happens regularly.
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Fuck Hong Kong, tbh
Out of curiousity, how much influence does Falun Gong as an actual religion?
This shit is bizarre and reminds me of asian scientology

Its 100% a personality cult of their leader
The only thing china did wrong was let some of them escape
It is the Chinese version of Scientology pretty much.
Sums it up pretty well, they get triggered if you ask them why they say their marxists when they dont talk about Marxism and never read Marx

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/leftybritpol/ - Living in a Brexiety Edition Anonymous 10/03/2019 (Thu) 14:18:37 No. 80010 [Reply]
Cyclical got turned off so talk about Labour get mad about the Lib Dems here.
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Extra ironic given that the bbc have systematically deplatformed them
Anti western gang
Are you implying that they are separate?
So like will Parliament now take the time to scrutinize this bill and whine about how shit it is?
Both sides are unbelievably dishonest so they will waste all that time

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/brg/ - Brazil General Comrade 08/09/2019 (Fri) 01:03:24 No. 18835 [Reply]
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Parece que só nós vamos ficar de fora dessa vez, pelo menos eu não vejo acontecendo aqui e agora. Aliás, fiquei com uma impressão de que nós demos o "azar" de ter um governo de "esquerda" na época que rolaram os protestos de 2013, talvez com um governo de direita a coisa poderia ter sido diferente.
Mas uma coisa, como o pessoal da esquerda brasileira vai reagir nesse caso? Evo, o mesmo que é de "esquerda", que está ao que parece sofrendo o mesmo processo que a Dilma sofreu e o mesmo que deportou Battisti, é traidor ou vitima?
E não se esqueçam que próximo domingo ainda teremos eleições na Argentina e no Uruguai.
Epic cringe
Todo poder a Evo, sem a menor dúvida. Convenhamos, Battisti é peixe miúdo e, apesar de seu julgamento ter sido uma farsa, ele muito provavelmente é culpado. E Evo tem tudo pra ser uma figura regional forte quando a direita trissômica desandar.

Eduardo Bolsonaro running faster than sonic

Rules, Moderation and Manifesto Feedback. Anonymous Board volunteer 09/08/2019 (Sun) 18:05:38 No. 57734 [Reply]
-post cuckshit, "commies BTFO," or any of that kind of shit
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-incite specific acts of terrorism or similar acts (use your head, don't act like a fed)
-post idpol outside the designated idpol containment thread

-be respectful, ask questions, and know your place if you're a reactionary
-feel free to flame, shitpost, and be sectarian if you are a leftist (just keep it somewhat within reason)

If you think that the mod team hasn't responded to your request in a satisfactory manner or that it was ignored, you can now contact us directly at comatoast@7chan.org
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The 'Cassandra Affective Deprivation Syndrome' bullshit was getting shilled in the gender and race board by people such as the freudposter:
But yeah, as always I guess you dindu sheit, huh?
nigga, there are unread edgy reactionaries who think they are leftist posting in the idpol gulag 24/7.
check your anti-autism paranoia.
Care to explain where you got that idea?
I already told you I have aspergers, chill out man. Don't take it so personally.

t. furry mod

It was a shitpost
You have negative autism levels, this means you've ascended

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/ita/ - Spaghetti Communism Comrade 08/09/2019 (Fri) 15:54:13 No. 19862 [Reply]
Forse 8chan è definitivamente morto. Proprio pochi giorni dopo che stavo cominciando a pensare di ritornare a effortpostare, ecco che un paio di /pol/tardati ammeregani si danno allo sport preferito da quelle parti e ora quel sito sembra diventato la fonte di tutti i mali del mondo. Col risultato che hanno purgato anche il nostro bel filo. E vabè. Si chiude una porta, si apre un portone. Raccogliamoci qui e ricominciamo.
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La sinistra riparta dal basatissimo chef Rubio.

Cazzo magari
Scusate tutti, ma in questi giorni mi girano i coglioni a velocità estremamente pericolose sia per cazzi miei che per quello che vedo in giro. Mi distraggo con qualche cazzata e fra qualche ora, se mi va, butto giù due righe.
stendi ste due righe che sbarelliamo
Eccomi, eccomi...

>La politica estera (ma anche interna, economica...) della UE fa ridere i polli, niente di nuovo.

La verità è che non esiste nessuna politica organica e omogenea. Si tratta soltanto di un'area di libero scambio/unione doganale con un discreto numero di regolamentazioni in comune, ma alla fine prevale sempre l'interesse concreto. E l'interesse concreto dei vari capitalismi europei non è affatto omogeneo né tanto disponibile a diventarlo. E ovviamente valgono i rapporti di forza. La Francia ha qualche centinaio di bombe atomiche e una lunga tradizione nell'uso della forza contro chi le dà fastidio, la Germania è un peso massimo economico e si è ritagliata condizioni finanziarie e monetarie ottimali - non per sua innata kattiferia, ma per la cretinaggine di tutti gli altri, che si meritano pure le inculate - e poi una serie di paesi secondari che si sono ritagliati i loro spazi e vanno a rimorchio, chi per un motivo, chi per l'altro. L'Italia è il manzoniano vaso di coccio in mezzo ai vasi di ferro. Secoli di classi dominanti inette, levantine, bugiarde, miserabili, straccione, cazzare, ignoranti, vendute e decerebrate hanno prodotto una situazione simile.

>I primi a dover sparire saranno palazzinari e affittacamere, fra i più schifosi parassiti di questo paese.

La proprietà della casa dovrebbe essere tutelata solo a scopo di abitazione, la cosiddetta "prima casa". Tutto il resto dovrebbe essere considerato un mercimonio schifoso alla stregua dell'usura, del gioco d'azzardo e del papponaggio e come tale severamente represso e punito.

Mao è stato un grande capo rivoluzionario che ha ottimamente guidato il PCC verso la salvezza dopo il massacro ordito dal KMT - la Lunga Marcia - e poi ha condotto una grande lotta di liberazione contro i Giapponesi, sconfiggendo infine gli stessi reazionari e costringendoli all'umiliante fuga a Taiwan. Ha dato di matto con il bordello dell Rivoluzione Culturale e, forse peggio per le conseguenze internazionali, l'aver rotto con Mosca e aver allacciato rapporti con Nixon e Kissinger è stato criminale.
Comunque, se ci ha sempre dato giù duro con gli elementi reazionari era a ragion veduta. Resta il fatto che le sue pratiche e le sue teorie si adattano bene alla lotta in società che hanno ancora molti tratti pre-capitalistici - India, Nepal, Filippine - ma nel capitalismo avanzato non hanno molto senso. Larpeggio a parte...

Flaminio Maphia! Ah, che ricordi! E poi, oggi possiamo affermare ufficialmente che sono l'unica "mafia" che esiste a Roma. Se c'era bisogno d'una dimostrazione che il simbolo della stella sopra una ruota d'ingranaggio va sostituito con un bel casco di banane, oggi la cassazione ce l'ha data.

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Lebanon thread Commissar 10/20/2019 (Sun) 23:59:39 No. 101074 [Reply]
There's massive class-based protests in kebabland right now, and a lot of people in my area are rather sympathetic towards them (most of them are from there or the Middle East). It also helps that these people are rather sympathetic towards leftist beliefs, e.g. money bad, corruption bad. How can I radicalise them?
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Nah will just send things the wrong way.
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Hezbollah is socialist.
The people protesting right now are against hezbollah too, you realise this right?
Nasrallah is a better political theorist than 99% of western """Marxists."""

No they are not, stupid fucker. If anything they are asking Hezbollah to get more involved in the political process.
>No they are not, stupid fucker. If anything they are asking Hezbollah to get more involved in the political process.
Their protesting against the current (bourgieous) government. Of which Hezbollah is a coalition member.

Parliamentary parties General 10/05/2019 (Sat) 03:22:22 No. 82006 [Reply]
Hello fellow comrades. I remember last year there was a huge effort thread where people talked about the parliamentary parties in their country with their seats and ideology and any leftist party that exist. Therefore, I thought I might revive it.

Everyone please answer these questions.

What is your country? Briefly, what kind of political, social and economic system does your country have?

What are the political parties in your country? What ideology, history, seats and influence do they have?

Are there any other leftist party not in parliament?

What do you think these leftist parties should do or improve on to further their cause? Don’t say things like change their ideology to mine lmao, but critique their praxis and how they can improve it to achieve their short and long term goals.

I will post mine in a separate post
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Basically, every descendant of Italian citizens who emigrated from 1912 onwards can obtain the Italian passport and vote. It's even easier for Argentinians because there's less bureacracy. Italian mass emigration stopped during the '60 so you can imagine how many people could technically obtain a passport and vote for our elections without speaking Italian and without ever setting foot in Italy.
Of course since Italians are still Italians this system is rife with corruption and frauds. In countries with large Italian communities such as Germany and Argentina, there are people who buy or just plain steal, ballots from people who receive them.
I lived in Japan for a period and my ballot arrived in a huge, very noticable envelope that anybody could steal, fill in my place and then send it to the embassy. Also, not every party is represented so I had to leave my ballot blank because no far left/communist party was listed.
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I'm an Aussie like Australianon, but I'll put more effort into this post
>What is your country? Briefly, what kind of political, social and economic system does your country have?

Parliamentary democracy with constitutional monarchy because post-colonial things. We're largely a social-democratic society, with healthcare and "safe" gun laws other things like offshore concentration camps for immigrants that no one talks about but largely standard SocDem stuff

>what political parties in your country? what ideology, history, seats and influence do they have?

The ruling party is the (Neo)Liberal-National coalition party, which claims to be conservative but really isn't, either way it's more or less equivalent to the republicans or tories idk. The National Party is literal Kulaks, so that's all you need to know about them.

other parties:
<Labor Party
It's spelt "labor" instead of the British English "Labour" because when the party was formed they wanted to copy the Americans, which were seen as the most progressive at the time (1890s). In 1913, Lenin hoped that the Labor party would become more like the Albanian Party of Labour, so to speak, once Australia had completed the capitalist development. They didn't. They're not. Hardcore SocDems, the only real opposition to the Liberals. Democratic Socialists at best.
Self explanatory. There is an anti-capitalist faction within the greens called Left Renewal, which has sprung up of late. There's hope for them yet.
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>are there any other leftist party not in parliment?

Considering that this country is mostly either politically illiterate, apolitical or just votes liberal (I legit met someone who told me they voted liberal because their parents did, and so did their parents before them - it's a "family tradition"), no.

>What do you think these leftist parties should do or improve on to further their cause? Don’t say things like change their ideology to mine lmao, but critique their praxis and how they can improve it to achieve their short and long term goals.

hm. Well, with the oncoming recession, these parties could gain a lot of sway. Extinction rebellion has gained a lot of traction here, particularly in Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne, the three largest cities in the country. Unfortunately, there aren't any leftist political parties that cover all three of these cities - it's either 2/3, 1/3 or having presence in another state capital like Darwin. First and foremost, the Trots need to stop fighting each other and merge into one party. Same for the CPA, ACP and CPA(M-L). Then, increase social influence by appearing in the public eye more often - the Trot parties got a lot of attention by attending climate marches. I was surprised to see that the CPA only showed up to one of them, considering that their base is literally a few streets away from where it was gathering. I'd also advocate for the founding of an Armed wing, like an Australian Socialist Rifle Association.

So, in summary:
1. End splits and merge into unified parties.
2. Increase public attention and visibility
3. start agitating and found an armed wing.

There is a rift between the Australian left between Trotskyists (who all hate each other) and MLs, who as of late are growing more open to the Ideas of Stalin and Mao. We will need to rectify this. I suppose it's fortunate that the Trots can never unify for shit.
Damn thats a lot of trots...

Good advise but gonna be hard convince these leftists to overcome their sectarianism...
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Anonymous 10/06/2019 (Sun) 14:26:53 No. 83325 [Reply]
>Expose [[[genetics]]] as a bourgeois pseudoscience.
How BASED was Trofim on a sale from 1 to 10?
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I'm sorry I've been really busy IRL, but I will do my best to complete my translation mid November at the latest.
The article by Patrick Tort I'll translate has a strong and imho convincing objection to the claim that Darwin was a Malthusian.
Genocide by race mixing? Black homo sapiens pillaging wh*te neanderthal maidens.
Which would lead to both parties passing down an equal amount of their DNA (slightly more from the mother due to mitochondria).
I'd say you've been watching too much porn, but lets face it the bi-weekly BLACKED threads on most imageboards are basically the deep state spreading race hate and we all know it by now.
You know, i'd agree with the concept of it being a racist psyop by the government, but it's also entirely possible that it's just /pol/fags trying to motivate other /pol/fags to continue fighting muh race war so muh womyn don't get sexed up by muh nogs.

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How did nazi Germany oppress the working class? Anonymous 10/20/2019 (Sun) 08:19:04 No. 100177 [Reply]
I've heard this claim many times, how the government of the NSDAP worked together with the capitalists to oppress the working class.

Can someone give me some specific examples?
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>As the Thuringian teacher and anti-fascist resistance member Otto Jenssen wrote after the war, Germany’s corporate leaders were happy “that fear for the concentration camp made the German workers as meek as lapdogs.”
>The owners and managers of American corporations with investments in Germany were no less enchanted, and if they openly expressed their admiration for Hitler — as did the chairman of General Motors, William Knudsen, and ITT-boss Sosthenes Behn — it was undoubtedly because he had resolved Germany’s social problems in a manner that benefited their interests.

Here's some text I saved from another thread:
It is the extermination of surplus populations. All the ideology and rhetoric is just pablum justifying this goal.

Why do fascists want to exterminate surplus populations? By committing genocide, fascists shrink what Marx called the "industrial reserve army".
"Big industry constantly requires a reserve army of unemployed workers for times of overproduction. The main purpose of the bourgeois in relation to the worker is, of course, to have the commodity labour as cheaply as possible, which is only possible when the supply of this commodity is as large as possible in relation to the demand for it, i.e., when the overpopulation is the greatest."

Shrinking the industrial reserve army is the dark mirror image to Keynesian "full employment". It is a way of addressing elements of capitalist crises that fascist movements so often emerge during. By culling the human heard, fascists buy capitalism more time on earth.
>Shrinking the industrial reserve army is the dark mirror image to Keynesian "full employment". It is a way of addressing elements of capitalist crises that fascist movements so often emerge during. By culling the human heard, fascists buy capitalism more time on earth.
This would imply that nazis try to do something to aliviate the effects of capital in people, even if it is by killing some of them, which they do not, a more apt interpretation is that they extend this control by sublating the production of people into capital itself, thus killing the proles that are not of use to capital, you know those ones that by being killed are not even going to increase the price of labour, as that price is already as low as the minimum required to live
>Russia would never have won if they hadn't been financed by America with their lend-lease policies.
that's wrong though, lend lease was not crucial in the slightest, ussr managing to industrialize in war economy was
If anyone wants to make a compilation, I found these had some sources that might be useful. Some are unsourced, seemingly from wikipedia.
>I’m phone posting at work.. can somebody screenshot and post the salient points 1) the Nazis invested more in the military than on civilian services 2) the working week went up to 60 hours 3) they employed actual slave labour. 4) national industries were privatised 5) consumer goods became extremely expensive and had to be rationed
>There's a whole book on workers being oppressed by Nazi Germany, check it out
Not that nazis would read it anyway, but apparently written by a jew
>There's a good Michael Parenti talk on this subject. I think it's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ZR9a_vvfk
>During the 1930s, Nazi Germany increased its military spending faster than any other state in peacetime,[6] and the military eventually came to represent the majority of the German economy in the 1940s.[7] This was funded mainly through deficit financing before the war, and the Nazis expected to cover their debt by plundering the wealth of conquered nations during and after the war.
<Hitler said it himself. pdf related.
>We'll take the southern part of the Ukraine, especially the Crimea, and make it an exclusively German colony. There'll be no harm in pushing out the population that's there now. The German colonist will be the soldier-peasant, and for that I'll take professional soldiers, whatever their line may have been previously.
>The Russian space is our India. Like the English, we shall rule this empire with a handful of men.
>This Russian desert, we shall populate it. The immense spaces of the Eastern Front will have been the field of the greatest battles in history. We'll give this country a past. We'll take away its character of an Asiatic steppe, we'll Europeanise it. With this object, we have undertaken the construction of roads that will lead to the southernmost point of the Crimea and to the Caucasus. These roads will be studded along their whole length with German towns, and around these towns our colonists will settle.

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>The point is the historic consensus is thrown out of the window as soon as it discusses the darker periods of the Soviet union. If you cite the historic consensus as an argument against Germany you have to embrace the same consensus about Russia.
Gotcha there MLs.

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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 12:39:50 No. 8925 [Reply]
A general thread for all China related discussion
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>that greentext
Not quite the point from moi
>>China created evil stereotypes of the landlord class through sophisticated top-down propaganda techniques
Good job.
Imagine the cultural revolution in our digitally interconnected era main gott
Any good sources on the quality of the chinese welfare system? I keep hearing from westerners that its supposedly trash.
>quality of the chinese welfare system? I keep hearing from westerners that its supposedly trash.
compared to most of the first world, especially nordic countries, yes. it's easy to forget china is a developing country when you look at the fancy buildings and trains in shanghai

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Traditonally Muslim Countries' Socialist Music Thread Anonymous 10/02/2019 (Wed) 21:09:51 No. 79141 [Reply]
I have thought about the necessity of the transliteration and translation of socialist music from the Muslim regions of the world, especially because said music is very little known, and it would be nice to expand the range of the GETchan channel outside of Europe.
Among those six in my personal focus are as follows:
1. https://youtu.be/cv8OX05TM2o Wan iyo Waraabe (Sheep and Hyena) - sometimes used by separatists, but originally intended to be anti colonist when it was recorded in 1952. Therefore not explicitly socialist but can be taken by almost any ideological purpose
2. https://youtu.be/xZh_6GasVZA نشيد القوات المسلحة الجنوبية (Anthem of the Southern Armed Forces) - from 1969 or 1970
3. https://youtu.be/u_EsSZjWs6Q - أنا جندي (I am a solider)
4. https://youtu.be/YSn1N6s5rYU به سوي سوسياليسم (Towards Socialism) - from Tudeh, earliest recording is on GETchan's hour compilation for Iran
5. https://youtu.be/-5EA4Hjgw7Q حزب ما (Our Party) - also from Tudeh, maybe during Shah regime or early Khomeinist era.
6. https://youtu.be/snTELZRM9eM سورود حزب دموكرتيك خلق افغانستان (Anthem of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan)

Add more as you wish
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This is great music please post more
I'm challenging others to get in here
It's really not all that hard; use google translate then you've got some nice foreign songs.
I don't know if those count as Socialist but I'm posting them anyway for their anti-imperialist value.


God, Syria, Bashar

We are your men Bashar (one of the most epic military song I ever heard)

Honour Homeland Sincerity


Yes our Leader

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Webm Thread Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 23:33:15 No. 10694 [Reply]
Thread for posting lefty Webm
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Yeltsin the lucky bastard died before he could get killed
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Music: Kevin MacLeod - Clash Defiant
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Post countries where you think a socialist revolution might happen Anonymous 10/20/2019 (Sun) 07:42:37 No. 100168 [Reply]
I'm gonna say the USA. I know it seems improbable but Bernie losing will only make class antagonism worse and the next recession will force people to adopt more radical politics. And I think fascism is not viable as much since the US has a very heterogeneous population, much more than Europe.
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They've literally done it before. Thomas Sankara did damn good work, before America sabotaged it all.
Come on, the US could easily pull off a social democracy to save capitalism, sustained by imperialism. Liz Warren is already representing a technocratic social democracy with imperialist characteristics.
Why are Dengists so bad at handling money?
American Imperialism can’t survive for long. The trade deficit is way to high and the American economy is being rapidly overtaken by China and India.
India is worse then third-world. They have a water-crisis, Chennai has no water, will be most worst hit by climate change not to mention a muslim problem and Naxalities. They are the perfect example of how bad a capitalist "democracy" is. If anything India will be one of the first to have a revolution.

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AlunyaQuest Anonymous 09/25/2019 (Wed) 04:33:35 No. 71925 [Reply]
You are Alunya, a commie catgirl. You like revolution, leftism, and bunkers. Right now, you're in the woods, practicing your survival skills for the coming revolution.
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Who would have thought that this thread will turn into furry erp?
It's an Alunya thread. It was destined from the start.
Since I haven't had any other takers in a week, I'm going with this.

You stretch your rather flat and thin, but lean and toned, catlike body in full view of her. "You're welcome to join me for a bath of your own if you'd like. We can get wet together~!"

Leslie just buries her face in her hands to hide her blush. "Are all you commies so lascivious?"

>yes, and
>no, but
>something else?
"Yes, and we're happy to help others take care of their basic needs and urges too."
"Yes, and we're happy to help others take care of their basic needs and urges too," you reply coyly.

She just shakes her head in disbelief. "We only just met!" She grips her gun. "I'm going to go get us some food. You wash up and get your mind a bit cleaner."

Cursed takes Anonymous 10/14/2019 (Mon) 01:22:35 No. 92544 [Reply]
Is this the most nuclear liberal take ever?
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I have more
who is this?
Some fag on 4chan
Good point
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I actually found it.

This sequence of events right here was just too much.

There are people that are psychologically incapable of putting one and one together to get two.

Are some of you anarchists? Anonymous 10/20/2019 (Sun) 16:45:36 No. 100729 [Reply]
If so, why do you think that anarchism is the right way? And how do you think would it work?
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>how are delegates different from representatives
idk try opening a book?
They're not wrong. Makhno was a counter-revolutionary that stole grain from the Red Army during a famine. He had to be liquidated
Its crypto-anarchism. Its different from liberal democracy though because there are no branches of power such an executive or judicial branch. People come to councils, they vote on measures, and those actions are carried out as mandated. If the elected officials don't carry out their mandates - the people are free to recall the delegate at anytime. Liberal democracies have term limits, electoral spectacles every few years - council democracy doesn't.
thanks comrade
I feel anarchy is more relevant to already developed nations as they don't have to catch up with other nations as much like Russia and China had too. I'm also convinced that a state inevitably enforces property and turns back into state capitalism.

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A global winter of discontent? Anonymous 10/19/2019 (Sat) 17:24:47 No. 99205 [Reply]
France, Haiti, Ecuador, Lebanon, Hong Kong, and now Chile and Catalonia too.

It looks like shit's gonna shit the fan real quick, at the very least we'll get a new 1968, and with any luck a new 1848.

Is revolution closer than we think? And how smug do you think the Invisible Comitee is right now?
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>lesson people got from their coverage isn't "China bad" like they intended.
Where the fuck you live mate? Everyone, from cons to libs to succdems are crying about China
but i thought posting is praxis
I think he means people wanting to rise up to mirror HK because everyone's life fucking sucks
>The Lebanese protesters are playing Bella Ciao
Based and Partisanopilled.

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