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Anonymous 11/15/2019 (Fri) 11:51:14 No. 127506 [Reply]
what are some good critiques of Nassim Taleb?
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To be perfectly honest, maybe Graeber wouldn't feel quite so out of place if he bothered to read a bit of Marx. His Debt book is definitely one of my top 5 books, but he occasionally has some weird takes throughout the book demonstrating that he doesn't actually understand what capitalism is.
You imbecile. You won't find any because there aren't any, it's simply not possible
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No coherent ideology. Has an idiosyncratic grab-bag of values which he holds together mostly thanks to a truly massive ego, leading him to read books about his groundbreaking new ideas he thinks everyone should read about and that will revolutionize the world.

There's plenty more like him out there. The dumber version would be Tom Friedman of NYT fame.
Dude believes in a weird grab-bag mix of ideologies involving one of his own coining called 'localism' (in a nutshell: the more local the more communistic, on a national and trans national level you just stop giving a shit about other people) and some bizarre Mediterranean supremacism (tbh he's right, Mediterranean countries are based). He's also in love of his own math and loves ranting about concepts he thinks are super deep because they involve math: ergodicity (you see, inequality isn't a big deal because it's not the same people who are rich all the time so on the whole it balances out), scale-variance (communism on a family level and ancrap on a federal level), fat tails (rare unpredictable stuff can happen), convexity (what if stuff wasn't linear? deep), and a bunch of other shit like antifragility (stuff that's survived a long time is more likely to survive longer, because reasons). He's also written basically the same book three times in a row much like Zizek.

He does have some interesting insights however, and for all his rambling and weirdness I don't think he's a grifter. He's very erudite, speaks at least 4 languages and drops a bunch of math and historical tidbits. He did take a spectacular dump on all the IQ fetishists by writing a comprehensive takedown that triggered all the conservatives because they couldn't understand all the math, he constantly shits on people like Charles Murray, Jordan Peterson, Steven Pinker, Sam Harris and all the obnoxious alt-right/alt-center/alt-lite clique. He also got Nate Silver to call him a cuck.

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Actual CIA Military coup ongoing in Bolivia Right Fucking Now Anonymous 11/10/2019 (Sun) 10:44:46 No. 121263 [Reply]
>Neo-Nazi's and IMF / OAS shocktrooper right-wingers rioting and attacking / killing Unionists Indigenous activists leftists etc
>Army has announced they wont "Stop the popular will of the people" Against a democratic election that they lost And will not stop the rioters / death squads
>Police Mutinying and giving weapons to / helping rioters
>Remaining Legal right-wing opposition have begun to openly push for regime change
Their "Muh dictator rigging election need to step down
>Tens of thousands of union members, indigenous people, and rural farmers are basically forming worker militias and fighting back and having pitched street battles with the Right-Wingers / reactionaries / Police / Army
They failed in Venezuela / Cuba / Nicaragua and are absolutely seething that Lula was allowed out of prison and their bullshit about Evo "rigging the election" fell apart so now their literally just going to kill him
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>#Urgente the "government minister" of #Bolivia announces the creation of a "special prosecution apparatus" to detain deputies and senators who do "subversion". The "hunt" as he called it now extends to the legislative branch.
BadEmpanada is about to do a stream on Bolivia.
Meanwhile on liberalcom, meerov21 is explaining what's really going on:
>I don't think Morales ' opponents can be described fully as "right-wing mob". There may have been various groups of racists and nationalists among them, perhaps some were organized, but the movement itself looks like a typical multiracial democratic protest movement.

>Morales is a shitty dictator who is friends with dictator Maduro and with the Kremlin. He nationalized part of the industry, and we know, from the Soviet Union to Venezuela, that this leads to economic collapse in the end.
I'd love to see a leftcom's plan for Latin America. Of course it would be and completely free and instant communism and a success will spread all around the place without hindrance, naturally, naturally, but what are they going to do with US imperialism?
no dude there are some real freaks on there. peak ideology with no real compassion.
scarier than fascism imo

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Anonymous 09/25/2019 (Wed) 02:53:29 No. 71758 [Reply]
Share Alunya art here
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> Cat Alunya
> anarchist colours
> sabotabby
Keep lying to yourself.
they exist in a spectrum of ideology catgirls where at least the tanky and ML catgirl are friends
anarchist and ML, whoops
the guy who made the original alunya drawing said it wasn't any specific ideology. i'll let someone else post the screenshot because i can't find it atm
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I wasted my whole day on this

Worth it tbh.

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Anonymous 11/17/2019 (Sun) 05:32:47 No. 129417 [Reply]
what do if trump gets 2nd term? serious thread

pic intimately related
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Be thankful that Le Drumpf forces shitlibs to pretend they're outraged by capitalism, thanks to Dup's anti-PC meanie poopoohead behavior huwting their feefees. As opposed to if someone more generic like Pence were impeached into office, let alone Guacobowl or Pantsuits'n'Mushroom Clouds having won the election.

This, setting aside his rhetoric, Trump is totally unremarkable.
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How dumb are you that you haven't assumed that Trump would get 8 years this whole time?
Same you did under last election: nothing. Same you did as under Obama election, who did same things as Trump (overthrow governments, jail child immigrants, drone people, be corrupt in the Ukraine).

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I don't believe in Marxism anymore Anonymous 11/17/2019 (Sun) 17:44:05 No. 129848 [Reply]
I honestly don't give a shit anymore. Communism will never happen let alone socialism. No one believes in socialism. The working class has no revolutionary potential. I feel so disillusioned. I used to be proud of my working class background I felt good about myself for not being a rich fag. But now I hate myself and I feel like I'm gonna be stuck in my crappy flyover city forever and work crappy jobs for the rest of my life. I don't want this shit. I just wanna move to another city and be like those rich fags :(. I'm just so suicidal and depressed. I hate being a prole
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>The Russian communist party started with a bunch of drunk petty bourg larpers
>the CPC started with 12 fucking nobodies on a boat, all of which were arrested
What are you legit expecting for? For some galaxy brain intellectual to descend from heavens and guide the proles towards revolution?
If a person is genuinely feeling defeated, they should be struggled with, not banned, what's banning them going to achieve? Well ban /pol/ types because they're here to disrupt and destroy, they aren't interested in changing. Banning people who have doubts just pushes them into arms of /pol/.
>class is a social construct
Class is ones relation to the means of production. It's a "social construct" in the same way a factory is a social construct. Race, or at least the way you seem to conceive of it, is a social construct. For example "whiteness" in the sense it's understood today didn't exist in America in the early days of slavery. So what tended to naturally happen was that white labourers and black slaves would try and co-operate to better their lot, since they understood they had common, material cause. Whiteness - the idea that Irish, Germans and Angloes, Caths and Prots all belong in the same "tribe" - was invented to keep the white workers in line.

We call you brainwashed, because every single argument you make betrays that you haven't understood even the most basic Marxist concepts, showing that you've gobbled up your views from someone else. You haven't expressed a single original thought in this entire thread, absolutely nothing that would indicate you're operating as an independent, free-thinking man. The fact that you've even fallen for the race bullshit is just icing on the cake.
okay, if it's so easy why don't you do it then, i'll watch.
ok retard watch

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The role of gender and race Comrade 08/07/2019 (Wed) 16:13:52 No. 15551 [Reply]
Notice: This thread serves as the offical /idpol/ gulag. Direct all threads that are pure idpol here.

Original OP:
I want this thread to be about a couple of things:

- Sharing arguments for a more rigorous understanding of how gender and race act upon people today.
- Using this understanding to form strategies to more effectively organize the working class.
- Building strategies to use this understanding to effectively criticize false or inept strategies of organizing the working class.

I wasn't a part of the discussion in the mod thread about having a general on gender, but I wanted to make a new one anyways because I think it is important to have a thread about both gender and race. Ideally this will not descend into screeds about idpol, though it is inevitable some reactionaries will be drawn to the thread. I want to see quality discussions that make good faith attempts to convince others of positions on identity.

It is not virtue signalling to say this is an important topic of theory for the modern leftist movement. It is clear that identity has had a large role in left-adjacent and liberal politics for the past couple of decades, reaching a peak within probably the last decade. As much as many would wish that they could just erase this and go back to a raw working class politics of trade unionism, it is at this moment a historical fact that the role of identity has come to take a dominant role in much leftist discourse and it can't just be wished away by ridiculing or denying it. The social categories of race and gender are understood now in very particular ways, often very confused ways, by large swathes of the working class. So it seems to me that the goal should be to form convincing and coherent understandings of these social roles in capitalism, to analyze how they are currently being used by both the working class itself and its enemies to achieve/maintain political power, and strategies for directing this in the most fruitful way.

Of course feel free to share books and articles about the subject here too, or to use current events to explore how gender and race effect the working class today.
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Sounds like the US is a shithole and none of this would happen under communism. Time to advance the revolution so you can get laid comrade.
>Just give a tip to journo when there is a shooting that it's an incel, they will say it and not check if it's true because it's the story hey want to tell.
This, the Aurora Colorado shooting is still blamed on the shooter imitating "The Joker" and being an incel, even though he had a gf and "The Joker" had nothing to do with his motivation.
They said this because he appeared in court with his hair dyed orange, even though the Joker has green hair. You'd think a fan of the Joker would know that.
Idk, all your commies seemed have been pretty soundly BTFO'd by porky.
They also kept women's day and feminism but not revolution day and socialism. really makes you think.

On Administrative Structures & Survival Startegy CuriousAnon 11/17/2019 (Sun) 15:29:38 No. 129746 [Reply]
Lets talk about the practical details of your socialist republic

>but that depends on the local context!

Yes, I know. I'm not asking for a white paper, just a general strategy.

Pick a random country below rank #30 from this list:


Congrats on becoming General Comissar!

1.What kind of socialism are you implementing and why (even if its obvious, still explain why)

2.How would you want to structure the new government? (Would ypu like a parliment? supreme court? etc)

3.Proky is getting ready to counter-attack with a global embargo. What is your survival strategy? (Keep in mind the average country cant support industrial society & total isolation simultaneously)
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>Implement Marxism-Leninism-Cabalism, the vanguard is a small group of like-minded individuals, and the president is a puppet of said shadow group
>Abolish parliamentarianism since it won't be necessary, abolish the house and senate
>Once this is accomplished, the shadow organization can come forward as the rulers and allow themselves to be subject to democratic principles
>Steal literally every economic, industrial, and trade secret that every other country uses since nobody will mess with us since my country is already an established nuclear power
>Unapologetically turn the country into a "north korea style hell" with actual hell characteristics
I will be speaking for a small developed country in Europe coming to power through 51% majority.
1. Form strong alliances with trade unions and other worker movements and spend political capital and party money on radicalizing and organizing them into organs ready to wield state power.
2. Have trade unions write up a new constitution that must then be approved by the party and then sent on a popular vote.
3. Abolish all parties from government and have the new trade union government take over.
4. Have the party function as the unofficial propaganda arm of the government.

But this is precisely my point. Socialism should improve peoples quality of life (I hope you agree), so if it ends up so cucked that it uses the majority of its fuedal tier productive capacity on repression and nukes. I would consider that a failure.

Abolishing bourgeois parties is one thing, but what about other socialist parties? Also, how would you deal with the prospect of global embargo? Anyway, altogether breddy good, especially in including the trade unions and using a popular vote to ensure legitimacy.

>the shadow organization can >come forward as the rulers and >allow themselves to be subject >to democratic principles
Why would they do this?
>Pick a random country below rank #30 from this list
That won't work you can only write about what you know. Ask people about their opinions on their own countries or regions.
Also you're ignoring the most important part: how do you take power? The answer to that will give you the frame in which you can act. If for example in the UK "getting into power" is defined as a Labour victory in an election, there is only so many things that can be done in the bourgeois-parliamentarian context. You can say that this is no real victory and the work then has to be to build a mass armed movement, but that only kicks you back to the question: how to take power.

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/ita/ - Spaghetti Communism Comrade 08/09/2019 (Fri) 15:54:13 No. 19862 [Reply]
Forse 8chan Ăš definitivamente morto. Proprio pochi giorni dopo che stavo cominciando a pensare di ritornare a effortpostare, ecco che un paio di /pol/tardati ammeregani si danno allo sport preferito da quelle parti e ora quel sito sembra diventato la fonte di tutti i mali del mondo. Col risultato che hanno purgato anche il nostro bel filo. E vabĂš. Si chiude una porta, si apre un portone. Raccogliamoci qui e ricominciamo.
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read the wiki page on rossoni, guy sounded pretty based tbqh.
No, not really
Ogni tanto i media riscoprono che le curve degli stadi italiani sono piene di fascisti che fanno il bello e il cattivo tempo.
Ora la situazione Ăš riesplosa con quello che Ăš successo nella partita fra Brescia e Hellas Verona e le dichiarazioni del fascio di merda a capo della curva scaligera. Ma peggio di lui c'Ăš solo quello stronzo di salvini che ha tirato in ballo gli operai ILVA che rischiano di perdere il posto di lavoro.
Figlio di puttana.
Quanto Ăš chad Vauro?
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/buger/ Anonymous 10/22/2019 (Tue) 03:07:47 No. 102231 [Reply]
I don't see anyone making the new booger thread so here you go.
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do you mean the worst case? or..

cuz the best case being better than mail voting doesn't say much tbh
I live in Iowa, 100% of the people I know who support buttgay are over 60 years old. Boomercide when?????
That sounds like bullshit. There's absolutely no reason why some combination of public/private-key encryption & blockchain tech shouldn't be able to produce 100% secure, auditable, anonymous, instantaneous elections.
>There's absolutely no reason why some combination of public/private-key encryption & blockchain tech shouldn't be able to produce 100% secure, auditable, anonymous, instantaneous elections.
Thier is a good reason for why it does this tech does not exist. It can’t be used to rig elections.

Anonymous 11/17/2019 (Sun) 06:23:36 No. 129479 [Reply]

gonna be a shame when the journalists that try to cover this get blown up.

A blast of sunshine has hit a secretive banking network used by global ultra-wealthy figures following a massive hack by “Phineas Fisher“, a notorious self-described “hacktivist”, of Cayman National Bank and Trust, which serves nearly 1,500 accounts in Isle of Man. Transparency collective Distributed Denial of Secrets has began publishing copies of the bank’s servers, a cache of documents as well as communications among bankers and others. Journalists around the world have been investigating the data for months and have begun publishing the first of their stories.

Following the hack, a manifesto was uploaded to the Internet addressing the motivation for hacking financial services companies. Unicorn Riot has embeded the manifesto below which includes previously unpublished code which the author claims was used to break into “Hacking Team” an Italian surveillance company. Hacking Team was an elite corporation that specialized in developing malware until Phineas Fisher hacked them and published their code online. The malware developed by Hacking Team was often used to attack journalists and activists on behalf of repressive governments .

Unicorn Riot has obtained the small HackBack announcement text released exclusively in Spanish titled “Desde las montañas del Sureste CibernĂ©tico” (‘From the mountains of the Cyber Southeast’). It bills itself as a “HackBack” DIY guide for “Una guĂ­a DIY para robar bancos” (‘A DIY guide for robbing banks.’) The announcement begins with a tongue-in-cheek dedication to “Subcowmandante Marcos” with an ASCII text-styled pipe-smoking cow referring to former Zapatista spokesperson Subcomandante Marcos.

Also included in the announcement were introductions to common information security tools such as Metasploit and observations about previous major bank hacks, suspicious activities on SWIFT (an international financial network), and art such as a skeleton saying “Be Gay, Do Crimes” in Spanish.
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When are we getting the names? I’ve only seen couple.
hopefully soon
>The people behind this are anarchists
Read their manifesto and look at the books they recommend for further reading.
>It’s spanish
use google translate.
They are actually doing things. That's proof enough.

Anonymous 11/17/2019 (Sun) 16:25:32 No. 129776 [Reply]
Have there ever been any solid criticisms of alienation? Most of what I've encountered hasn't been very strong; most fall back onto economic claims (i.e., alienation isn't possible, because we cannot escape Capitalism - which seems like a weak claim but also seems way too focussed on 'economics' for some, which in itself seems silly given Marx is an economist first, philosopher second). I've made a couple of threads on here and while interesting, I've yet to come to find any real solid potential criticisms or critical analysis of alienation: what I have found is the indication that alienation will continue under socialism, but this doesn't seem like a problem for Marx.

I've heard Althusser was critical of alienation, but that more seems due to a belief in some sort of historic break in Marx (in another thread a poster tried to explain Althusser's criticisms but from what I've been able to find, it really just seemed like Althusser rejected alienation on the basis it was humanism and was not a scientific concept). I'm not sure how amazing that is as a critical attack on Marx's idea; it sounds more like a historical classifcation more than anything. I haven't really found any responses to Althusser beyond people calling him a Stalinist and silly shit like that. Others seem to argue Althusser has made errors in his claims regarding Marx abandoning alienation (which seems accurate, given it runs through almost all of Marx's work).

One Dimensional Man provides some degree of criticism of Marx's original views, in that there seem to be people within Capitalism who are not alienated (though it does not argue this is in anyway positive).

So, have there any been any solid attempts at criticising Alienation?
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>I ain't gonna define my terms.
>I use these terms however the fuck I wish.
That's literally (You).
>In the legal sense your argument is self-defeating, because it would necessarily introduce degrees of alienation: slavery being the most alienating and capitalism the least. It's judging our history from its supposed bourgeois peak and declaring its victory.
Yes, one could argue that it is less alienating although I'd problematise this by noting that often historically slaves got wages and their owner was also on top of this obligated to house and feed them

If you were to live a less alienated life, how would you do it, is a cabin in the woods an option?
>less alienated life
>cabin in the woods
That's the thing, tho. If alienation in the legalistic sense has any meaning it's tied to one's society, the freedoms and opportunities it offers, the obligations in return it demands. Going off the grid isn't liberating, it's escapism. If we take alienation in the anthropological sense (with Feuerbach and young Marx) it's either a transhistoric fact of human existence (there's no return for us to pre-social, pre-language animal existence) or a series of infinite regressions (as someone already said above, if human nature allows x and y, it is part of human nature) or worse, a series of dubious normative statements (how it should be).

I've read anprim accounts where they said that civilization and work are the prime examples of alienation. While the former is known to everyone, in the latter case they argued that while, say, crafting a bow in the jungle, you externalizing your hunger onto an object, which is an act of depravity instead of creativity... The mature Marx, on the other hand, explicitly says that only under communism can work become "life's prime want" (Gotha, I.) and he dropped using his Species-being (openly borrowed from Feuerbach) altogether.

Which leaves us with these options: "alienation" as a legal fact, which is necessarily tied to societies with complex division of labor and hence a state - but this is purely descriptive and not normative, so I don't see its usefulness. Or we take Althusser's route who says that outside the economic fact of extraction of surplus value the term is completely meaningless. Or, following in his footsteps, we could instead drop the term altogether, and ask people to kindly tell us what the fuck they mean, when they say shit like "the alienation late stage capitalist advertisements impose upon us".

I found the latter route to be the most constructive, because it brings out how the term became a mere buzzword permeating leftish culture, and proper knowledge could be gained if we wanted to make true statements about, in our example, the effects of advertisement on us.
>crafting a bow in the jungle, you externalizing your hunger onto an object
Which is, btw, the exact formula found in Feuerbach's The Essence of Christianity: we, humans externalizing our essence onto a spoopy God figure, losing parts of it in the process.

It's theoretically unsound. Hogwash. Marx realized it. So should everyone else.
Why is it theoretically unsound?

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/leftyfiction/ Anonymous 11/15/2019 (Fri) 00:15:01 No. 127152 [Reply]
Post political fiction from a leftist perspective. Can be sci-fi, historical or utopia/dystopias. We all know about 1984/Brave New World/Fahrenheit 451/We, try to post less usual things that we might discover and enjoy, such as stuff from your country
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Here if you want to read it https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Eternaut
It was the writer who got purged.
She's not a modernist.
This, really. The "muh wise feminine nature spooks versus le evil phalus of technology" pseudo-SF fantasy gets real old real fast.
I keep accidentally pressing reply

What? Your problem with it is that it exists? I don't even know how to respond to "it gets really old really fast". It's a book. It got written and printed once. You don't have to keep re-reading it. Besides, you're probably talking about the Dispossessed, Earthsea has a different vibe to it, and it's most certainly fantasy, rather than "pseudo-SF".

I also don't see her as a man-hating feminist. Left Hand of Darkness talked about gender but I didn't get an anti-men sentiment.

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/leftytrash/ Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 07:36:48 No. 1091 [Reply]
Movies, anime, music, feels e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting
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if that's his view on people then he has no idea what socialism is
this argument is based on a capitalist society
You are thinking about this too adversarily
Consider that maybe she isn't "using" you when there isn't anyone around, and simply likes talking to you but doesn't want to talk to you all of the time

Got to give these things time anon, if she was embarrassed to be associated with you when there are other people around or views you as something only to bother with when there's on one else to interact with you would be getting much stronger signals than "only someimes laughs at what I say or pays attention to me"
That's what you get when you're a stubborn armchair "free thinker". Contradictory beliefs. Why do all the thinking by yourself when someone has already meticulously done it? Like reinventing the wheel. But noooo, I'm the weirdo for caring about what others think.

Dude worships the "every man a king" guy, Huey Long. And he calls himself ancom. Ridiculous.
she's not using you but rather keeping a distance so you or other coworkers don't get wrong idea. If I were you I would just take solace on the fact that I got to pass my time with someone who doesn't shot me down from get-go and move on.
Huey Long on the surface is definitely /ourguy/ cause of the memes alone, however his actual policies was the usual southern bullshit, the socialist stuff he advocated for was simply because A: it got him votes because it was popular and B: basic economics says that helping the poorer is better for the economy(Ford knew this back in 1910 and he sure af wasn't a socialist) wow it's almost like socialism is mathematically the best option , he was using socialist policies the same way Bismarck used them when he was uniting Germany; convenient concessions in order to make a long term goal happen. Funny thing is with Long though we don't really know what his end goal was since he got shot. Probably presidency though or somming.

Comrade 11/16/2019 (Sat) 10:46:34 No. 2743 [Reply]
How about a porn board? Busting to unionized sex-workers who are paid a decent wage is praxis.
porn is bad for you
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go to /GET/
Honestly I wouldn't be opposed to this, and /GET/ cycles too quickly IMO
Degenerates like you belong in a gulag.
Threads on /GET/ only get pruned after not getting any posts for 2.5 weeks. How much slower would you want it to be?

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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 07:32:55 No. 8537 [Reply]

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you can put the cat image on the post with the reading list below
Can we talk about the fact that leftybooru censors anarchist memes but keeps most of the loli-shit up. I was under the impression that this place was supposed to be non-secretarian, or are we still adhering to Old BO's shit tier policies?
censors how? I know sometimes users can downvote something below 0 and get it hidden too quickly.
Hey, I'd like to take over the spectre rouge magazine

Ideally it would be a place with a weighted balance of stories and analysis from around the world.

Not saying US and Europe not allowed, but I don't think the world needs another left wing mag focused on the west.

What do people think?
Hopefully the admin for that is still around on the board so you'll get a response

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Anonymous 11/17/2019 (Sun) 01:11:30 No. 129172 [Reply]
Thoughts on Cuck Philosophy? I recently binged all of his videos and found him to be well outside the typical breadtube mold. "Capitalism, Cultural Disintegration, and Buzzfeed ", "What are societies of control?" and " Hauntology, Lost Futures and 80s Nostalgia " are all especially good videos of his.
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thanks for the (you)s
He's good. Check his early vid on K-pop for a good old materialist analysis. Gives it the old textile industry treatment.
I really like his stuff, shame about the name.
My favorite part is when he says tendies123 at the end.

anyway check this guy out he made a series on marxism about a decade ago that is pretty fucking incredible
>you're not allowed to like the bad people, you might go bad yourself!
No lad, you're allowed to like deleuze you just need some background in maths so you can tell when he's just babbling bullshit

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Anonymous 11/17/2019 (Sun) 17:21:47 No. 129830 [Reply]
Alright comrade, what is your political ideology? Describe it in *one* sentence, why you believe in it, and one or 2 pieces of writings (essays, articles, books, blog posts) you would recommend to someone who has never read into this ideology (so not a theoretical, dry, overly long book which scares everyone off, but something nice to ease into).
This is supposed to be a non-sectarian thread, and used primarily for the exchange of ideologies, and thus, ideas for actual praxis.

>Describe it
It's Mao's continuation of the theories of Marxism-Leninism and basically the highest stage of Marxism in terms of analytical development
>why you believe in it
Since it not only is the collection of the most theoretical and practical advancements made in the history of class struggle, but also used by most communists and parties leading revolutions around the world today, I believe it to be the most correct way forward, and the most solid foundation we can build off of.
>pieces of writings
Foundations of Leninism (if you've yet to read into Leninism): https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/index.htm
What Maoism has to offer the world: https://jiminykrix.wordpress.com/2016/09/14/what-maoism-has-to-offer-the-world-and-why-so-many-former-non-communists-think-its-dope/
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Marxism-Leninism-Maoism because its the summation of all revolutionary movements so far.
My political beliefs can only be properly described and understood through listening to lulu by metallica
Theorylet Vulgar Marxism
>Describe it
Workers must get the full value of their labour, private capital must be abolished.
>why you believe in it
What basically made me a Marxist was the most important core realisation of materialist dialectics: just like there's no mind/body duality, there can be no economy/culture/politics duality (triality?). Once you realize this, and that all life and history is governed ultimately by material, economic laws you must immediately concede that all history of society is indeed history of class struggle. Once you realize that, you must also concede that this dynamic with ever diminishing capitalist class and the ever growing proletariat can only result in the proletariat over throwing the bourgeoisie and establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat.
>pieces of writings
I got ADHD, I don't read lol.
The real movement to bring about the change of things
>describe it
A movement that is seen as Satan or hitler by everybody but in actuality is the second coming of Jesus Christ.
>why you believe it
Because nothing else is Believable.
>pieces of writings
Paul Cockshotts blogs
Go outside, let the bushes speak to you, lol.

On socialist commodity production Anonymous 11/16/2019 (Sat) 17:07:32 No. 128815 [Reply]
Hi, I've seen many leftcommunists criticize commodity production in socialist countries. I understand where this criticism is coming from but my question is, what is their plan for solving this problem? it seems to me that unless the productive forces of a country are so advanced that post-scarcity has been achieved, there is no other way to prevent commodity production, ie. for consumer goods and foreign trade, from taking place. So was there a realistic way to abolish commodities in USSR 1928, China 1949, etc and is it possible today?
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commodity production existed before capitalism - and it wasn't generalized in the USSR because it only existed on the state farms
there was no way to abolish it because the USSR was still in the process of moving away from feudalism to capitalism
>is it possible today?
I'd say yes because we already have enough food, water and housing to every living human being on Earth currently - but it require an international revolution, with internationalized centralization of the means of production
>it was an actual plan for communism
It certainly could be though - rationing is definitely something that restricts commodity production for its use-values, and ration cards do act like labor vouchers because they are limited and expire on use
Oh yeah, and Bukharin and many Left Communists at the time thought it was the transitional programme for the lower stage of communism - was abandoned only because it unpopular, and the Bolsheviks didn't want anymore peasant revolts to be threats to the country's stability
Correct opinion. To add on that, to achieve full (as full as current tech will allow) automation would require a greater diversion of productive forces to building productive capital for a while. There is not that much slack even if you cut all luxury production now going to the bourgeois. There would have to be a balancing of consumer goods and capital goods production, to be able to set a date for "communism by 2050".

Mind you this balancing already happens under capitalism, but not as a transparent process. It needs to happen indirectly via company level investment strategies, with approval of shareholder who might prefer a bigger take upfront.

Not to mention the question of what part of the productive potential of developed economies should be reserved for building productive capital in developing countries, and under what conditions.

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Anonymous 11/08/2019 (Fri) 01:43:37 No. 119372 [Reply]
Does he have a chance or is the USA a lost cause?
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Dude, the fact that he even was in a Trot organisation and therefore has probably read some Marx and Lenin makes him already unbelievable better than everybody else in the political circus in the US, including progressives like AOC who probably haven't been politicised like that. I mean, come on, the guy is probably considering himself to not say "means of production" or something.
censoring himself*
Idk, I've seen some nuclear takes from Ilhan Omar too.
This, hearing literally everyone other than Bernie completely embarrass themselves when talking about "socialism" and "capitalism" makes it clear we're dealing with a massive generation gap in terms of theorylet/booklet-levels.
Yes he does, VOTE!

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Hi, leftypol Anonymous 11/16/2019 (Sat) 05:35:27 No. 128336 [Reply]
I irrationally hate women minorities, what do?
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I date black women and other minorities all the time. Maybe you have your own issues but don't make it a generality.
Also tranny is a slur, keep the *chan shit to chans ffs. Do you also say epic memes irl?
This is what is known as; Hiding your powerlevel
It is very important to do so around normies or you will suffer social exclusion
Bruh, I've lived in the ghetto and I've tried doing that before. I wouldn't recommend doing that.

Tranny a slur? I could have been talking about my car's transmission. I guess cars have feelings too and the garage is a "safe space" for my car and its tranny.
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This. For the greater good.

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Why not recruit from Twitter and plebbit? Anonymous 11/10/2019 (Sun) 08:51:30 No. 121234 [Reply]
I see so many Twitter nazbols and unironic tankies on Twitter and fb groups. We could try to reach /pol/ numbers easily if we recruited from leftbook and shit it would be much more effective since they are already interested in socialism and succdems
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>google nyxus.xyz
>something about gender accelerationism
welp guess I'll kill myself
>that used to be a good thing
most of the original people here were originally from /pol/, like /pol/ we started sorta okay then as time went on and more redditors, other retards and underage teenagers came here
Shit, you gave the game away, we're supposed to be pretending to be from /lit/ to avoid scaring the newfags off comr8
This isn't 2010 anymore, hating on Twitter has become tired.
Hating on namefags is never tiring

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Still waiting for the ReebokÂź sponsorship deal to be completed
imagine throwing your hat behind an entity like china when you're not even chinese, just do your own thing nigga

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Éire/pol/ Anonymous 11/14/2019 (Thu) 11:27:52 No. 126351 [Reply]
Are there any Irish people on Lefty/pol/. Compared with /pol/ I don't see a massive presence of Irish people. I was thinking of starting an Éire/pol/ thread,but I won't bother if it's just going to die immediately
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still confused as shit but thank you
polite sage
1. Yes, basically. There are slight variations - FG have a reputation as being slightly more socially liberal and FF more willing to engage in public works schemes now and then, but only because FF are essentially driven by localism and clientelism.
2. The church's influence now varies from region to region. In Dublin it's mostly gone, although the rituals (funerals, weddings, communions subsist). In some rural areas it's a lot stronger, but this seems to be determined mostly by the nature of the parish priest. The influence of Catholicism has long been a convenient excuse, allowing us to ignore strong reactionary elements in our society (a lot of which, as you'd expect, were heavily promoted during colonialism)
3. Yeah he's still president, but president is a fairly meaningless position. People like him, but he doesn't weigh in very often.
4. In short - the population for most of the 20th century was generally conservative. Reasons for this (obviously my opinion): constant emigration acts as a pressure valve, because frustrated people on the cusp of consciousness leave. Weak trade unions, and as a result very low union participation rate (~24% I believe). Third, the role of socialists/trade unionists in Irish history was largely ignored, and Irish nationalism was seen (by many, not all) as consonant with staunch Catholicism, social conservatism with a mild 'conscience'. (Again, thinking of FF here).
5. Reactionary, coward. Easy to put all the blame on himself and the church, as opposed to the large class of big farmers (a tight-fisted bunch).
6. Yes, 100% true they used the airport for extraordinary rendition flights etc. We'll pretty much let them (or NATO) do whatever they like. I've never come across join-NATO sentiment, I'm sure there's some, but the general position is akin to the position during WW2 - Profess neutrality, aid power quietly.
7. It's gotten considerably worse since then. There's awareness, but it's been going on so long people don't care. By which I mean 52% of people in rural Ireland own the property they live in (i.e. are petit-porkeois) and the left is too fragmented to provide an alternative working people can support. What's going to happen? Another EU bailout, presumably. Easy liquidity from the ECB. This one is different from the last, though, because it's not accompanied by a market flooded with houses, it's artificial scarcity. So it won't burst, IMO, it might deflate slowly, because the demand for a first (as opposed to a second or third) home is basically inelastic. Hopefully we'll see some slumlords get lynched.
8. Yes to both questions, basically. Varadkar is confusingly popular because a) easy liquidity from the EU means decent quality of life for people with stable jobs and houses they own, and the left are all over the place.
9. Meh, not really, I don't think. FG are pro-gays and pro-abortion, basically Trudeau types. It's effective at taking away a certain sector of the lib vote, but those people wouldn't vote left anyway.
10. I don't think it'll be the same, no, but there will be one. The treatment will be the same; university fees go up, houses and hospitals get cut, all large-scale infrastructure plans(of which there isn't many) get 'postponed'. Porky scum get paid off.

Hope that answered it, I for one would like to see this thread in future.
Dosen't change the fact that republicans after Connolly were massive dongs
What do you mean by that? I do agree that nobody after Connolly ever matched him in his leadership, theory, and personality, but i wouldnt just write off their struggle entirely or call them "massive dongs".
Can anyone explain why so many republicans were killed by republicans? I get there was a kinda mafia-like contract that if you fucked-up you get whacked, but it always seemed really high for me.
t. bong.

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yeah for other people not for you nigger man :^)
>is all a mod conspiracy against me
If anything the mods probably hate me I complain about them all the time
Make another post with a less shitty OP pic
>hit me daddy UwU
Why do they hate you chinkflag anon ?

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What's the difference between socialism and communism? Anonymous 11/11/2019 (Mon) 10:14:04 No. 122914 [Reply]
Guys, I'm in a debate on a politics forum right now about the Soviet Union, and I've come to the sudden and horrifying realization that I don't actually know the differences between socialism and communism. I'm essentially arguing with a capitalist warhawk who has said that the USSR is communist rather than socialist, because the state owned the businesses they worked at rather than the workers directly owning their own businesses (as would apparently be the case under socialism).

This is spooking me something fierce, because I'm essentially a theorylet who's been operating under the assumption that socialism is just an umbrella term for all of the stuff organizing workers' ownership of businesses & trying to make it to full communism, but the way he's talking makes it sound like socialism is it's own thing independent of communism. What's going on here?
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>The first stage of the communist formation. The economic basis of socialism is social ownership of the means of production; its political basis is the power of the toiling masses under the leadership of the working class, headed by the Marxist-Leninist party. Socialism is a social structure that precludes the exploitation of man by man and develops in conformity with a plan, with the objectives of improving the well-being of the people and comprehensively developing every member of society.

Difference from communism:
>The communist formation in its first phase assumes the shape that it must have as it emerges after long birth pangs and is “thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society” (ibid., p. 18). The historical genesis of the higher phase of communism is different: this phase represents a kind of new society that develops upon its own foundations, that is, it is established through the refinement of socialist economic relations and is already completely free from vestiges of capitalism. In Lenin’s definition, socialism and the higher phase of communism appear as “stages of the economic maturity of communism” (Poln. sobr. soch., 5th ed., vol. 33, p. 98). The differences between the two phases are seen primarily in the different levels of development in social production and cannot be reduced to the mode of distribution alone. However, these are differences within the framework of a single socioeconomic formation, the communist formation. The term “communism” is applicable in characterizing the socialist system “insofar as the means of production become common property.” But “this is not complete communism,” for in its “first stage, communism cannot as yet be fully mature economically” (ibid.).

>Communism is distinguished from socialism primarily by the maturity or degree of development of the economic base of the new socioeconomic formation—that is, the productive forces and productive relations. It is “socialist society in its developed form,” “the highest stage of socialism” (ibid., vol. 36, p. 65; vol. 45, p. 263). When the new formation has reached full maturity, socialism is transformed into complete communism

Source: Great Soviet Encyclopedia
Marx literally said socialism to be co-ops coordinated by a national plan in Civil War in France. Get fucked.
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>debating in online forums
>debating in online forums without literally the foundational definition of the side you take
Why? Nothing you will say in this petty "debate" will make any sense. You're embarrassing leftists, and you're embarrassing yourself with this Dunning-Kruger type shit. I know you probably think you "owned" that guy up until now, but I can't even fathom how much politically and economically illiterate bullcrap you must've written so far.
In a nutshell socialism=abolition of private capital
communism=abolition of wage labour
what the fuck op

Comrade 10/09/2019 (Wed) 16:38:29 No. 339 [Reply]
Should I just give up on love and women? Lately every girl Ive liked has been either swooned by someone else or just been generally disinterested in me and I havent even talked to them.
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>Should I just give up on love and women?
Only if your failure in your love life stems from a subconscious desire to be alone. If so then recognize it and accept it, but otherwise you will just make yourself miserable.

If you're not sure meditate or do some drugs or whatever until you find out.
fucking incel lol
Don't give up, anon. There are plenty of fish in the sea, and no one wants to become an incel
some of the fish will die lone without ever having been loved
Imagine you were a woman for a second. Would you date you?

How can a person of substandard Intelligence help the movement? Anonymous 11/07/2019 (Thu) 19:27:28 No. 119080 [Reply]
I know that I'm not very smart, but I don't know what I can do to help the movement. I can properly post on the internet, but I can't understand any Marx.

What do I do to help the movement?
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It will probably go over quickly by being held like that
Thirded. Being told that you're stupid all the time is primary cause of "being stupid".
You could always make memes right now and fight when the revolution comes.
just bee urself

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Wolff vs Libertarian: Capitalism vs Socialism Anonymous 11/16/2019 (Sat) 13:48:34 No. 128690 [Reply]

"Socialism is preferable to capitalism as an economic system that promotes freedom, equality, and prosperity."

That proposition was the subject of a November 5, 2019, debate hosted by the Soho Forum, a monthly debate series sponsored by Reason. Arguing in favor of the resolution was Richard D. Wolff, an economist at the University of Massachusetts and the author, most recently, of Understanding Marxism. Taking the other side was former Barron's economics editor Gene Epstein, who is also the Soho Forum's co-founder and director. Reason's Nick Gillespie served as moderator.

It was an Oxford-style debate, in which the audience votes on the resolution at the beginning and end of the event; the side that gains the most ground is victorious. It was a packed house, with about 450 people in attendance. The pre-debate vote found that 25 percent of the audience agreed that socialism was preferable to capitalism, 49.5 percent picked capitalism as the better system, and 25.5 percent were undecided. Despite a technical problem at the event itself, the Soho Forum was able to recover the final vote totals, which saw support for socialism drop by half a percentage point and support for capitalism increase to 71 percent.
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I can take issue with some of the things he says there, but the point is that his strategy isn't working at all. He's like putting Marx on his head in his Q&A, advocating for changes on the micro level instead of societal productive relations (e.g. a dictatorship of the proletariat) as which he's righteously called out by the user as an utopian. In this book you quoted he seems to obscure what surplus labour is? Surplus labour in capitalism is integrated into the LP-M-C(MS) cycle which takes on the social form of surplus-value, Wolff again seems to think that it's a lack of "democracy" that is the problem here and not capitalist reproduction. His critique of the USSR is therefore similarly obtuse.

>muh oldfags
I'm an oldfag and I didn't like most of them, and they are now all pedophilic trannies on Twitter, fuck them.
>Soho Forum, a monthly debate series sponsored by Reason. Arguing in favor of the resolution was Richard D. Wolff, an economist at the University of Massachusetts and the author, most recently, of Understanding Marxism. Taking the other side was former Barron's economics editor Gene Epstein, who is also the Soho Forum's co-founder and director. Reason's Nick Gillespie served as moderator.
I won't bother watching that. A moderator is supposed to be neutral. All these guys are right-wingers who know each other. That means the structure of the debate is almost entirely engineered by one side. About Reason: https://pando.com/2014/07/24/as-reasons-editor-defends-its-racist-history-heres-a-copy-of-its-holocaust-denial-special-issue/
Most people having a debate aren't there to be convinced. You cannot be rhetorically efficient with the class enemy.
>except as we can see its not
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>He's like putting Marx on his head in his Q&A, advocating for changes on the micro level instead of societal productive relations (e.g. a dictatorship of the proletariat)
Right, but he advocates that because legal property rights are only part of the superstructure. A real transformation of society has to begin by changing the relations of production at the level of production itself. Which is why workplace democracy is a revolutionary demand. It also gives people something realistic to fight for until some kind of far-reaching political revolution happens.

>Most people having a debate aren't there to be convinced. You cannot be rhetorically efficient with the class enemy.
RDW is going to reach more people than just the person being debating or even in the audience. That debate has been viewed by 55k people in the past 3 days on youtube.
>RDW is going to reach more people than just the person being debating or even in the audience. That debate has been viewed by 55k people in the past 3 days on youtube.
That's not a good thing because 80% will think he lost.
Yeah, and will people who randomly stumble over that video know how the debate was rigged? People have a democratic bias of sorts. That is, when undecided, they automatically have a bias to go with what the bigger group is saying. So if the "neutral" host agrees with one side, those watching without strong opinion will take that as evidence of what the right opinion is.

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/leftybritpol/ - TOM WATSON IS GONE! edition Anonymous 11/07/2019 (Thu) 09:00:51 No. 118647 [Reply]
The official election period has begun with the shutting of parliament, and the eternal wrecker Tom Watson has resigned: not because he thinks Labour will lose but because he thinks we will win.
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The lib dems are now even more right wing than the tories
They want the remain Tory vote I suppose. At least the left-libs will come home to Labour soon. Polling is all over the place so 2017 shock might happen again.

When is the manifesto gonna get leaked?
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Are there any decent memes for this election? Haven't seen many (or any in fact)
Haven't got anything that great (mostly KNOW THE DIFFERENCE memes) but the last election was in the summer so more people had time to shitpost.

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Anonymous 10/26/2019 (Sat) 22:25:47 No. 106747 [Reply]
What is the role of imageboards in a communist country?

What sort of things would you be able to post on a communist imageboard after the revolution?

Would we be able to post smug anime girls?
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The horror
no, all imageboard will be liquidated and moved to reddit :^)
Normalfags would leave the internet because there are no commodities to fetishize.
With the fall of reddit and shitcord, a federated modern version of usenet with images and video would emerge, full of comfy hobby and academic boards.
There won't be any. People will be lucky if the party let them use the internet at all, its a breeding ground of bourgeois sentiment.
All the anime degenerates will be gulged.

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Sage 11/14/2019 (Thu) 16:03:59 No. 126583 [Reply]
You may not like it, but this is what the ideal communist party looks like:

Party members are members of both trade and tenants unions, not only this, but a certain department of the party will be trained so that they are active within these unions and are competent organisers in both these areas. If necessary, they can go knocking on doors and organise a neighbourhood, or salt a workplace and organise a workers union.

So, at this point they would be attacking rent and profit, two main drivers of capital.

One that is not organised around is interest, debtors servitude. The parties union department should be developing debtors unions. This is semi uncharted territory, but a very large area of exploitation.

This section of the party should be actively dedicated to organising as many workplaces and neighbourhoods of renters into unions as possible

The next department of the party is the community survival department which is divided into two stages. The first stage is the organisation of community survival programs. This may be anything that benefits a community. What benefits that community must be discerned by that community, thus this must be approached in a mass line fashion. The best way to achieve this in the immediate is to go round, knocking on doors, getting information and feed back, then through the party giving the people what they need, be that food, health clinics, shelter in the form of expropriated buildings, etc.

The second stage of this is the long term stage, which recognises the protracted nature of the struggle. All of these programs are the basis from which support grows, they are applied in certain communities who are receptive to them and solidified and developed, in order to strengthen the organs of working class power for the eventual crisis in capitalism coming to a head. Thus, these community survival programs must have a strong economic base to work from, this should take the form of a network of co-operatives controlled by the party, with its workers fully unionised, with taxes on the co-operatives by the party, in order to fund the gradual development of the other survival programs, which might then include co-operative housing, as well as the funding of full time union agitators and political organisers

>muh co-ops
this is literally in the BPP ten point program

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turns out vol wasn't only to blame
What an actual fucking little worm.


Fucking hell what a triggered little cunt he is.

Imagine spending your spare time doing this.

Thanks for shitting up abour 5 threads now, probably more if ic an be arsed to look


this post also

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Yes i have read that book. I have undoubtedly read more the the CPGB-ML guy, who has probably read only that book and now considers himself the next stage of ascended marxism or something.

nah, i will never show you my face, twitter, any of that shit. I will just talk about the above program

isn't this almost what ive suggested? just the "proxies" are unions and they are not proxies we are up front about it?

also this is literally what trots do in the UK

you would only know what "reddit spacing" looked like if you posted on reddit no? Enough to recognise the format.

I on the other hand, have only ever posted on /leftypol/ and 4pol. That is my only engagment with imageboards etc.

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imo capital accumulation only happens when capital becomes exchangable
miss me with that gay commodity shit

ur both truth, 402 just hates the specific labels for some of the groups.
Every groups gets rep, and all who wish for a better world are proxy as/with the vanguard
If the struggle is protracted (which it will have to be if we're being honest about it) what's to stop the co-op leadership from exacting an unequal amount of influence on the political wing due to economic power relations? How to prevent it from becoming degenerate due to capital's drive towards accelerating its own contradictions?

Mondragon is a good example because see https://medium.com/fifty-by-fifty/mondragon-through-a-critical-lens-b29de8c6049

You say that simply being set up by a communist party will stop it degenerating because of the ideological element inherent, but that's not how capital works. Current criticism of Chinese corporations (general lack of worker welfare, low wages, overtime beyond legal limits, etc.) in particular shows that.

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/lat/ - hilo socialista Anonymous 11/13/2019 (Wed) 03:20:29 No. 125182 [Reply]
Edition Coup
No tenemos un hilo para los hispanohablantes, pues aqui esta.

Thread for latin americans and spanish speakers to discuss happenings.
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ÂżAlguien mas se ha fijado que todos los comunistas de habla hispana en Twitter escriben asĂ­? con muchas palabras rimbombantes y dĂĄndole mucha vuelta al asunto (no se diga los manolos)
Hace años seguía a unos de varios países, especialmente españoles, y tienen esa maña ridícula de hablar como si estuvieran dando una presentación de filosofía en la universidad. Me parece que si quieren convencer a alguien es mucho mås apropiado usar palabras mundanas entendibles. Tipo: 'podemos ver como en la universidad se repiten vainas con el propósito de propiciar tal cosa en la mente del estudiante, como por ejemplo con X'
God I wish we lived in the world rightards lived in
De que acusan tanto a AMLO la derecha no entiendo, los narcos es lo que mencionan mås pero yo no veo gran diferencia de Peña nieto y el o que te parece?
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ÂżPor quĂ© continĂșa la disputa territorial entre Venezuela y Guyana? Ambos estĂĄn controlados por partidos de izquierda despuĂ©s de todo.
t. hamburguesa usando el traductor de google

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Noel Ignatiev, author of "How the Irish Became White", dies at 78 Anonymous 11/16/2019 (Sat) 10:52:48 No. 128569 [Reply]

Professor Noel Ignatiev died on 11/09/2019. He was author of the book "How the Irish became white".

/pol/ tards knew him thanks to quote in pic 2. (https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html)

He was editor of "Race traitor" magazine which was dedicated to "abolishing whiteness".

>When we say we want to abolish the white race, we do not mean we want to exterminate people with fair skin. We mean that we want to do away with the social meaning of skin color, thereby abolishing the white race as a social category. Consider this parallel: To be against royalty does not mean wanting to kill the king. It means wanting to do away with crowns, thrones, titles, and the privileges attached to them. In our view, whiteness has a lot in common with royalty: they are both social formations that carry unearned advantages.

The journal was also famous for this quote
>John Brown was apparently not sophisticated enough to realize that holding opinions about blacks made him a white supremacist

What is your opinion on him, /leftypol/?
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This postet is right. This is the real list:


But remember:
>This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
piss on his grave
Quote there from Ignatiev:
>John Garvey and I began Race Traitor with the goal of breaking up the white race, as a contribution to working-class solidarity. We never used, endorsed or promoted identity politics; we railed against multiculturalism and “diversity”; we were scornful of those who wanted to preserve the “good aspects” of “white culture” or to “re-articulate” or “decenter” whiteness. We wanted nothing to do with the growing academic field of “whiteness studies.” We did share some vocabulary with individuals and organizations that were traveling on different roads to different places.

>The most significant instance of this was the word “privilege.” In light of the political travesties that have developed under the term since, we wish we had differentiated ourselves more categorically from those who wanted to make careers in journalism, social work, organizational development, education and the arts, and who insist that the psychic battle against privilege must be never-ending; instead of challenging institutions they scrutinize every inter-personal encounter between black people and whites to unearth underlying “racist” attitudes and guide people in “unlearning” them. Hectoring people about their privileges was never our approach; it is an annoyance rather than a challenge.
But how do I make a meme from that statement to trigger people epic style?
>we were scornful of those who wanted to preserve the “good aspects” of “white culture” or to “re-articulate” or “decenter” whiteness.
this will butthurt /pol/yps
>Hectoring people about their privileges was never our approach; it is an annoyance rather than a challenge.
this will butthurt woke scolds

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Cybernetic socialism general Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 22:17:56 No. 10470 [Reply]
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>Paper labor credits
You have to be mindful about the systemic behaviour.

The a labour voucher system with punch cards has the advantage that goods are cheaper because the distribution unlike in a monetary system does is not produce wealth concentrations and hence there is no loss of surplus do to elite luxury spending, finance gambling, status preservation services,...

How ever a punch card system has a slower transaction rate and scales up worse, because in order to produce complex goods you will also have an increases in social complexity, while the material cost for social complexity is much lower than in a monetary economy, you will get a penalty in transaction speed, and more importantly a increasing delay in price adjustments. Which will cause you to have increasing trade-exchanges with an external monetary economy where you loose added value.

So you really need to race up the tech-ladder because you basically only get an initial head-start over a monetary system, and then you need to quickly upgrade you calculation infrastructure in order to not get bottle-necked.
Imagine you are a retired professor, decide to put some of your lectures online, and get dragged into some drama with literal furry AnCaps
I doubt that this Furry will get under the skin of Cockshott, considering that he spend a lot of time teaching he probably can't be phased any-more by hot-takes . Besides the video in question does nothing but argue the premise that if something is socially discredited it is untrue, because he believe ideas in people's heads are the prime mover of reality.

It's sort of understandable for ruling classes to have miss-conceptions like that because getting other people to do their bidding is sort how they act upon reality, it's a flawed model of reality that is semi functional. The furry ancap probably believes that copying this might cause some of the ruler status to rub off on him.
On the other hand, he did have a flimsy excuse not to come on /leftypol/ after people bombarded him with chan lingo.

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OC Thread 4.0 Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 08:50:19 No. 8622 [Reply]
OC Thread 4.0
>New thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content
Post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you want to share.
Or ITT collaborate on improving content already made.

/leftypol/'s booru:
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I'm pretty sure they're all made up.
The bootykeg one was definitely real
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>Booru is a piece of shit.
t.brainlet can't use the booru

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Anonymous 11/13/2019 (Wed) 19:09:26 No. 125677 [Reply]
Anybody here from Vienna? I'm Doing an Erasmus semester here and I'm looking for any left-wing groups or organizations that I can join even if my German sucks.
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>It divides society into the educated caste and those below,
The only division that matters is class division. How many millionaires and billionaires brag about not going to university or not graduating University? If you think graduating university makes you bourgois you need to do some book-reading.

>you need to be in the former for any position of influence
That's not a problem with universities. That's a problem of the political system. Should we blame the existence of hungry people on supermarkets?

>and to effectively be able to move to another country.
Again, not true. A lot of migrant labour is "non-professional". I'd say a significant chunk, close to 50%, if not more.

>Universities are liberal institutions and those are the people they put out for the upper strata of bourgeois society.
TIL Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, Yugoslavia, Vietnam, etc. didn't have universities.
The intelligentsia produced by soviet academia was mostly liberal and they betrayed socialism to get even more privileges like their western peers.
Based and pol pot pilled. unironically
>And in the 2017 Dutch and German elections, nationalist parties, such as PVV and AfD, were much more popular among the least and middle educated, whereas GroenLinks, D66, and Die GrĂŒne got the votes of the university graduates.

People who are university educated vote more left than their non-university educated peers. Even if that means voting for socdem over a far right party.
In Germany, the Greens are the most pro-war party.

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/leftygsg/ Comrade 08/22/2019 (Thu) 06:25:11 No. 324 [Reply]
Thread for discussing grand strategy and similar games
Should 4X games be allowed in as well?

Also posting a link to Napoleon's Legacy, one of the few good things to come out of /gsg/:
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99% of the time when the UI for a website of application changes, it changes for the worse. Their should be a ban on UI changes unless it’s really popular. If not it should automatically be changed back.
Just paste the steam link for a mod here and you can pirate it:
sweet im gonna play kaiserreich
Anyone got recommendations for some Kaiserreich submods?

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News 11/16/19 News Anon 3.0 11/16/2019 (Sat) 21:24:55 No. 128997 [Reply]
Gilets Jaunes: Anger of yellow vests still grips France a year on
Yellow vest protesters from across France are staging protests in Paris to mark the first anniversary of their grassroots movement.

'This is What a Dictatorship Looks Like': Bolivian Security Forces Open Fire on Indigenous Protesters in City of Cochabamba
Bolivian security forces opened fire on Indigenous protesters Friday in the city of Cochabamba in response to demonstrations against the right-wing regime that forced democratically-elected President Evo Morales to resign on Sunday.

Morales’ MAS in talks with Bolivia coup regime on how to quell unrest
The principal objective of the talks is to quell the mass unrest and set the stage for new elections within 90 days. The MAS representatives have also pleaded for guarantees that officials of the Morales government will not be persecuted and that the party will be allowed to field candidates.

Iran petrol price hike: Protests erupt over surprise rationing
Protests have erupted across Iran after the government unexpectedly announced it was rationing petrol and increasing its price. At least two people have been killed.

Muslim voters attacked in Sri Lanka presidential election

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>Iran petrol price hike: Protests erupt over surprise rationing
What are the chances of US trying another regime change in Iran?
People's Liberation Army deployed in Hong Kong!
Lmao can someone edit this so it's disappointed pepe and crying/screaming wojak?
China's Industrial Policies Work. So Copy Them.
China hawks are chastising President Donald Trump's “phase one” trade deal because it focuses on increasing U.S exports while ignoring Beijing's subsidies for favored industries. Instead of seeking to coerce China into abandoning policies that both sides agree benefit its economy, the U.S. should seek to emulate them.
Spread The News, Recession Likely Soon. Here’s What To Watch For.
Comedian Bill Maher has a line he uses from time to time: “I don’t know it for a fact, I just know it’s true.” Here is an example of that, which will be of interest to anyone who is at all concerned about the mounting evidence of an economic slowdown.
The US needs to copy China’s tech strategy to remain the top economy in the world.
China is lapping the US when it comes to tech investment and is quickly positioning itself as the economy of the future.
The US needs to seriously reconsider its investment strategy to fend off China.
Australia struggling to contain increasing Chinese political interference, US warns
Australia is having limited success in countering Chinese political interference, a US Congressional report has said, suggesting new joint military training bases could be set up across the Indo-Pacific to thwart Beijing.
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Anonymous 11/17/2019 (Sun) 06:11:49 No. 129466 [Reply]
if class struggles is inevitable due to the dialectical forces of history, why is racial struggle not inevitable too?

i fucking hate people of color and people of color hate me.
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>hanging out in a university town that has a muslim quarter is not the same as actually living [in a poor part of Molenbeek with a muslim majority]
This. Neoliberalism is a code-word for barbarism, and we will all become lumpen once the Bay-Area tech elite will have no use for us, wagies.
Also this.
>it's not for no reason that the far right has gained so much politically
As a French anon, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Marine Le Pen will get elected in 2022. The Macron presidency has been a trainwreck so far, and the Le Pen brand has been steadily growing since 2002. They mix Keynesian promises of economy efficiency with soft-racism since the father left the presidency of the party, and it's very appealing to poor/fallen middle-class (wannabe-)boomers.
Globalism is an inevitable phenomenon arising from the ever-increasing sophistication of transportation means. The only way out of globalism would be a coordinated worldwide destruction of all airports or a Kaczynski-style civ collapse.
I dunno OP I hang out with and date people of color all the time and apparently many people ITT don't have a problem with minorities despite living among them for years and this replicates across countries.

You say they hate you but we don't have the totality of the facts. Have you tried not being a fucking nazi? Minorities don't like nazis, maybe that's your problem.
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w*men are the most reactionary species i know, even more than nogs and other minorities all ovenworthy.
Yeah, let's genocide 50% of the human population and be unable to reproduce forever, that will solve problems. Not my fault if your mom was a cunt.
imagine your average polyp walking around. I would find them extremely repulsive no matter what ethnicity he belongs to if they act like gangster in his own turf

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Anonymous 11/12/2019 (Tue) 11:55:03 No. 124390 [Reply]
Any books related to nationalist anprim that you could recommend reading?
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I guess for you Linkola, though he's Eco-Fash from what I seen
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>nationalist anarchy
>nationalist primitivism
>primitivist books
Go to North Sentinel Island and you will experience it first hand
I dunno, Kaczynski?
>Nationalist anprim
Watch Varg.

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/brg/ - Brazil General Comrade 08/09/2019 (Fri) 01:03:24 No. 18835 [Reply]
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In all honesty, Jacobin is well to the left of mainstream parties in both countries. I gladly welcome them, because, as the post you quoted says, they actually have Stalin defenders among their staff, and LARPers are REEEEEing about his presence on the cover and trying to get the US publication to cancel it or something kek

There's a big discussion to be had on that whole concept. Coops do have an inevitable problem in that they are sort of subverted in by default in capitalism. There're no legal mechanisms to keep it from being steered away from its goal and becoming a common company in practice, and, as materialism dictates, it does tend to go that way. Take WSWS, for example. For all its faults, it's dedicated to its cause because its owner is as well. Should the ownership or management be collectivized, it will open the door for vultures. And the thing is, simply existing in a profit-centered market would tend to drive it towards common, profit-centered enterprise.
>There're no legal mechanisms to keep it from being steered away from its goal and becoming a common company in practice, and, as materialism dictates, it does tend to go that way.
Gonna need some clear examples for this claim because it sounds like total bullshit. Why would workers ever vote to install a workplace king and give up their rights?
O tropicalismo era mesmo avançado pra época

esse video faz um bom trabalho refutando a justificação do golpe de 64 e as teorias esquizofrenicas do filme do Brasil Paralelo(é so pode ser paralelo,ele vivem em outra realidade).

basicamente os propios espiÔes tchecas disseram que eram impossivel ter uma revolução no Brasil porque a esquerda brasileira era muito bagunçada e não se tinha muita revolta de classes.
>ancap retards calling for the privatization of STF

I support libertarians for the sole purpose that they will accelerate the destruction of this nation.

Western philosophy vs Eastern philosophy Anonymous 11/16/2019 (Sat) 19:42:12 No. 128907 [Reply]
What makes westerners so retarded compared to people with eastern philosophies?

Could it be that people don't read books?
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What a /pol/tard
Eastern philosophy is as diverse as western philosophy, and India was developing materialist supernatural-rejecting philosophy concurrently with the Ionian school around 600 BCE
Where’s Deleuze?
Somewhere to the far right of your post past the side of your screen
Hegel clock's eastern philosophy fairly well fwiw, but only really in relation to his own philosophical advance kant being covered pretty well by the logicians, whose writings he didn't have access to in that era
Are there any "physics" philosophers in eastern traditions? It seems like all the major ones are concerned with social order or sophist "nothing exists" buddhist nonsense. Is there an asian Democritus equivalent?
I think there logicians have you covered for this one too, I could be wrong though also the indian nihilists

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Les communistes français 10/13/2019 (Sun) 02:07:59 No. 91570 [Reply]
Il y a beaucoup de forums anglais, mais pourquoi pas avoir une qui est français? Donc je vous présente la page française!
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okay, this is epic
Anon, I...

On en reparlera lorsque ton pays se sera disloqué aprÚs le Brexit...

Ouvertement révisionistes, gauchistes, utopistes, complÚtement à l'ouest en terme de stratégie politique, laissent passer des violeurs et des pervers dans leurs rangs, anti-travailleurisme, etc... Je souhaite leur destruction afin qu'un réel parti socialiste de combat puisse prendre leur place.

Voila ce que le complotisme fait Ă  votre cerveau
Je m'en fiche d'oĂč ça vient.
C'est un livre intéressant.
Je comprends ce que tu veux dire, je ne veux pas faire le moralisateur mais si tu peux la prochaine fois essaie d'acheter chez un autre éditeur, parce que là ça va dans les poches d'une clique de racailles anti-communiste.
"L'Ă©crivain" homosexuel-zoophile Alain Soral est le chef de cette maison d'Ă©dition et il a ouvertement endossĂ© la ligne anti-Marxiste-LĂ©niniste du PCF post-Marchais, les thĂšses nĂ©gationnistes de Robert Faurisson, la thĂ©orie du complot judĂ©o-bolshĂ©vique (il a mĂȘme dit que les braves combattants soviĂ©tiques de la guerre de 41-45 Ă©tait des "hordes mongoloĂŻdes"), et bien sĂ»r il continue de promouvoir sa vision dĂ©gĂ©nĂ©rĂ©e du complot mondial sioniste.
Fait come tu veux, moi jamais j'achĂšte chez eux.

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Soviet Democracy Anonymous 11/12/2019 (Tue) 03:04:03 No. 124132 [Reply]
I've recently found several good accounts of democracy under Soviet rule, and have thoroughly enjoyed reading them. I've decided to share them here, and to ask if any of you lot were familiar with other primary sources on the subject. I'd be particularly interested in reading more about the later years of the USSR, as my sources are both from before World War 2.


Have this but haven't read much of it yet
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Read this book. I found a copy in my local uni library. The best I've read on the subject. Also seen it recommended by Ismail on /marx.
Fair and well researched.

Thanks, borrowed it to rip a copy and gave it back

Webm Thread Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 23:33:15 No. 10694 [Reply]
Thread for posting lefty Webm
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somebody posted belle delphine

here is a video to balance that out
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heres some old no effort oc i made and immediately forgot about
>Gib pdf or /out/ pls
Sorry did not see your comment 16 days ago, if you still around here:

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Anonymous 11/10/2019 (Sun) 19:30:58 No. 121621 [Reply]
what conspiracy theories do you believe /leftypol/ ?
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MKUltra involved LSD and failed completely at mind programming
I've seen Graeber talk about anarchy (he calls himself an "anarchist without adjectives"), and he's not much of a political theorist tbh. There's video on youtube where he talks about the system in Rojava, and it's genuinely creepy how he gets... "excited" by the way they handle women's issues. He talks at times like a reactionary about how society was good "back then" at a time when "women were in charge" and femininity was supposedly worshipped. Wish I could find that video, but it's part of a longer talk and somewhere in the middle iirc.
Google is an NSA front since day one.
MKULTRA never failed because the program never ended. What we know of as MKULTRA was a trial period before they applied what they learned on society as a whole. Nowadays, the brainwashing techniques they learned then are easily spotted within mass media by the woke.
Not really a conspiracy, it's quite documented. Maybe not day one but very early (pre-2000).

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/QTDDTOT/ Anonymous 08/20/2019 (Tue) 17:50:55 No. 36099 [Reply]
Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread.
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Here's the us general thread >>102231 I know it isn't properly labeled.
Does fear in general motivate more consumption?
Yes, the effect is well-documented in psychology. That's also literally how advertising works: you put up some scary news to stress you out, followed by news about burgers or something that your stressed brain will instinctively seek out.

Advertising in general needs to die in a fire. It's literally capitalist propaganda
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What's the general opinion on De Leonism?
As an anarchist I have a positive opinion of it. It combines Anarcho Ayndicalism with Marxism which is something I really like.

Maoist Memes Thread Anonymous 09/21/2019 (Sat) 13:58:10 No. 68797 [Reply]
Ideological education is the key link to be grasped in uniting the whole Party for great political struggles. Unless this is done, the Party cannot accomplish any of its political tasks.
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>You could say the corruption was part and parcel to the existing contradictions of the system, but contradictions can be overcome. The failing was in their overcoming.
and i agree with you. this does not prove your initial argument though, that being that socialism was slowly unravelled under khruhshcev/brezhnev. as i said before, these problems were likely going to happen - as you suggest through the growing contradictions - but there were still people in the CPSU who addressed and attempted to fix problems like corruption and the economy, namely andropov in 1981-84.
We had beef with him way back on old /leftypol/ he started outing us on twitter and shit ahah

>this does not prove your initial argument though, that being that socialism was slowly unravelled under khruhshcev/brezhnev

What I actually said was that something had gone wrong and begun to unravel.

You haven't really answered the other part of the post, where you say purges weren't necessary. So by this point by your own admission something had gone wrong
>you say purges weren't necessary
no, i said there were excesses and in many cases just became a tool for centralised leadership under socialism.
>by your own admission something had gone wrong
yes, that being a failure to address the inherent problems of the soviet union before it was too late. this is a far cry from your very original statement which was that "once stalin was gone the soviet union was on the road to revisionism" which, like i said (and lets not just go in circles) is a simplistic outlook which puts the survival of socialism - or at least "authentic" socialism - on a sole man.
khrushchev didn't revise marxism, nor brezhnev, and the problems of stagnation, corruption, bureacracy can all be traced back to the construction of socialism, or were encouraged by things like WWII. all this aside, the USSR was still socialist until the late 80s - they weren't privatising the economy until perestroika, not during the brezhnev era like you originally claimed.
Does Xiangyu have any other media that he posts to, in case he's banned?
Meetup of Unruhe and Xiangyu should happen.

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News 11/13/19 News Anon 3.0 11/13/2019 (Wed) 21:39:08 No. 125864 [Reply]
Chile: Protesters reject government plan to rewrite constitution
Many protesters say any new constitution must include the input of the public through a constitutional assembly.

Bolivia's interim president Jeanine Áñez promises new elections
The senate vice-president and a conservative Christian, Añez declared herself the country’s interim president late on Tuesday with outsized Bible in her hand – despite a boycott of the legislative session by lawmakers from Morales’s party.

Guaido supporters invade Venezuelan embassy in Brazil & announce new ‘ambassador’ (PHOTO, VIDEO)
Supporters of Venezuelan opposition figure Juan Guaido have seized Venezuela’s embassy in Brazil. While embassy officials said they were “invaded by force,” Guaido’s “envoy” to the country has declared herself the new ambassador.

EU signs off on new joint defense projects — but to do what?
European nations are hoping to bolster their military capabilities after 13 new joint defense projects were agreed.

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Well from what I learned reading Carl Marks, socialism is when government does some stuff and when it does everything, it's called communism.
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>The key factor in Marx’s intellectual legacy in our present-day society is not “philosophy” but “critique,”

meh watered down, Marx comes with Philosophy too

>Racial and sexual oppression have been added to the dynamic of class exploitation. Social justice movements like Black Lives Matter and #MeToo, owe something of an unspoken debt to Marx

Seriously these are predominantly Petit bourg movements not proletarian ones.

This article is like wow Marx in the NYTimes, and then Oh it's just the weak-sauce version with radlib springeles, to be fair it still talks about class, so they haven't whitewashed him like Martin Luther King
US election 2020: Obama issues warning to 'revolutionary' Democrats

based Obama
There was LGBT rally apparently yesterday in Hong Kong.
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>Mainland Chinese students flee Hong Kong as campuses burn

>[Editorial] Unless its aim is to traffic in mercenaries, US needs to immediately call off unreasonable pressure
South Korea rising against the US?

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"The Right" is Caught Funding Woke Films Anonymous 11/16/2019 (Sat) 05:52:06 No. 128345 [Reply]
I used to be a free speech warrior until I've realized how BS the movement is. There is more evidence showing that the capitalist right is funding a fake form of communism than any legit communist uprising taking place.

One such example is the Koch Brothers, a known funder of big oil who also has their hands in woke propaganda. If the Koch Brothers funded Wonder Women than is it possible that all politically correct films that have minorities are funded by the right in order to produce a reaction among reactionaries.
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because I am stuck with the curse of ham and am not white passing I must remain in the zoo

m8 I got called sexist for saying Kotaku shouldn't run a casting couch and that indie games shouldn't get coverage based on nepotism.
Fuck the Kochs but Wonder Woman is by no means "woke propaganda". Fuck off back to whatever hole you crawled out of.

>free speech warrior
>funding a fake form of communism
>Wonder Women

<I'm a polyp nazi, and I'm here to troll you by saying that inverted totalitarianism funded the essjayoos that pushed everyone further right with their cancerous woke politics! Therefore, if we got to power, it's actually their fault that they will end up in concentration camps.
Dialetics-pill me on something awful.
Why did SJWs originally spawn from SA?
When and where did the right copy their battle tested tactics of irony and claiming victim hood?

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