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List of successful socialist countries Historian 03/11/2020 (Wed) 13:17:15 No. 680
You've heard this argument time and time again that there has never been a successful socialist country, so I thought it would be nice to have a thread talking about successful socialist countries. Post history, share sources, let's make a list!
>>680 issue with this is capitalists will change the definition of succeses constantly
>>681 I think it's important to know in what aspects these socialist examples where successful. Because if they want X, you can just point to a socialist country who had that. My father for example believed socialist countries are always economically weaker until I pointed out the Catalonia in the 1930s had greater yields compared to prior.
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>>680 are worker's co-ops socialism? no but I still think their neat so here are some sources https://isreview.org/issue/93/are-workers-cooperatives-alternative-capitalism Coops are effective, but cannot in themselves facilitate a transition to socialism’ Mondragon Cooperative Corporation, the world’s largest coop, has restructured to move its practices more in line with those of a traditional privately-owned corporation of a similar size. http://www.co-oplaw.org/special-topics/worker-cooperatives-performance-and-success-factors/ Coops have been shown multilaterally to be more resilient and less likely to fail than traditionally-operated businesses, but coops also face unique barriers to entry which might be mitigated through the transformation of existing enterprises into worker’s coops. Excellent article which highlights the value and challenges of coops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90FL_bBE4mw Cute lil explanation of cooperatives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coop_Norge Massive Norwegian cooperative, 1.3 million members over 117 local branches. https://www.iwdc.coop/why-a-coop/five-types-of-cooperatives-1 Different types of coops - ‘Worker Coop’ is our interest https://www.obos.no/dette-er-obos/english Massive Norwegian cooperative building association - 435,000 members https://www.rdwolff.com/faq_worker_coops_wdes Excellent Richard Wolff write-up on worker coops. https://truthout.org/articles/worker-coops-and-left-strategy/ Another Richard Wolff article, discussing social, political and economic barriers to forming workers’ coops. https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0147596709000560 Economic analysis of capitalist firms vs worker cooperatives in Uruguay from 1996-2005 Concludes that increases in profit correspond to increases in wages for both capitalist firms and workers cooperatives, though much more so for coops. Concludes that employment in coops is more resistant to price shocks Concludes that employment has a negative correlation with wages for capitalist firms and a positive correlation with wages in worker coops Complex study, warrants more analysis https://www.thenation.com/article/worker-cooperatives-economy-business/ Cute think piece on the value of worker coops https://sci-hub.tw/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0167718788900112?via%3Dihub Worker participation in management seems to increase technical efficiency. ((ARTICLE IS FROM 1987))
Quality of Life Higher in Socialist Countries, Study Says (LA Times, 1986) https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-06-07-me-10010-story.html
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Good stuff, I will read it all when I have the time for it
socialism straight up has not existed
Calling any socialist state “Success” or “a failure” is an odd choice of vocabulary when we are viewing socialism as the transitional phase between capitalism and communism Really every socialist state that has existed and now ceases to exist can be viewed as a failure as their particular socialist experiment did not bring about communism In the same vein socialist experiments still existing such as China Cuba DPRK Vietnam etc can be viewed as working success’s as they continue to lay the groundwork for socialism
By success, do you mean dictatorship of the proletariat or GDP or what?
>>711 I'm glad this meme is dead at this point

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