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Hands around the world. PB 10/29/2019 (Tue) 19:56:28 No. 595
I hope this thread serves as a welcome to new /ref/ugees, and also for those who have been here a while to get to know each other.
Tell us something about your contry and about yourself.
Let's get all the flags we can in this thread!
>>595
Let’s start with OP. Tell us something about Burgerland that we don’t know.
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>>596
Yeah, guess I should start.
Ant to correct you. I'm from Puerto Rico. We are not USA, just their colony, but we are our own culture with our own flag.
Did you know that it is believed, in the event of extra terrestrial contact, it will be here were they will arrive? In fact. Many people believe we already have had extra terrestrial contact and even visitors, but they can't survive outside a certain microclimate unique to places in our island, so they cannot go anywhere else on earth.

About me, I enjoy flags and vexillology, vexillography, geography and world cultures. I have a hope that with how connected we are nowadays, this brings people around the world to interact more with each other and eventually the lines of nation-states blur and all that is left to differentiate one place from another are it's people and the culture.
>>597
>the lines of nation-states blur and all that is left to differentiate one place from another are it's people and the culture
Aren't nation-states defined by the people inhabiting them and their culture?
Nation-states are state units created by the bourgeoisie, they aren’t based on anything other than capitalism.
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>/ref/ugees
We're no longer /ref/ugees, we're /ref/olutionaries now.

>Tell us something about your country
California has the world's 5th largest economy, just above the UK and right below Germany. Also there's a giant chrome Lenin head just hanging out in Los Angeles, pic related.

>and about yourself.
Been here since the first /ref/ on IBM5100. I have really autistic positions on Californian secession and I make most of the flags on this chan that have that sort of beveled/shiny effect. Most of the flags with that effect on /GET/ and /leftypol/ (such as all the bisected anarchist flags, Khmer Rouge, Hoxhaism, International Brigades, pan-African, pirate, etc.) are my doing.
>>604
>California
>Country
you a larper
>>607
Ami go home
>>595
In Bavaria, we have the Weißwurst, it's a special kind of sausage. The best way to eat it is sucking it out of its skin after dipping one end into sweet mustard.
>>608
>Bavaria
>Country
you a larper
>>609
>Bavarians
>Speek German
>Look German
>Act German
>Are German
<muh sausage
Unless their is a linguistic divide separatism will always be LARP.
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>>607
>USA
>A legitimate state
you an imperialist
>>607
>>609
>USA
>Country
you a larper
>>608
Tell us something about yourself.
>>610
What about Austrians?
>>611
>>612
The US has existed as a country for two hundred years. California was only independent 23 days and seceded from Mexico with the sole purpose of being annexed by the US. California isn’t a district country, you have no unique language, or culture, or history to warrant self-determination, and in spite of this you still want to secede you can ask the confederates how that works.
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various flags
>burger nazbol flag
>australian eureka flag
>that, but more communist
>>614
Austrians only got out because of HREship to austro-hungarian empire, then WW1 and 2 treaties prevented it permanently
>>615
England has existed as a country for over a millennium. The USA has only been independent for two hundred years (which is relatively recent by country standards) and seceded from Great Britain with the sole purpose of crying about tea. The USA isn’t a district country, you have no unique language, or culture, or history to warrant self-determination, and in spite of this you still want to be independent. You should just return to British rule.
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>>615
>The US has existed as a country for two hundred years.
California has existed as an entity since the 1500s before the 13 colonies were even conceptualized. The first Californian state was established in 1767. Being around for a while does not make imperialism legitimate.

>California was only independent 23 days and seceded from Mexico with the sole purpose of being annexed by the US.
Stop pretending to know Californian history. California's independence was declared in 1836 following the coup by Juan Bautista Alvarado and lasted until the Mexican government took back control in the chaos of the Mexican-American War in 1846. The California Republic was merely a last-ditch attempt to re-establish Californian independence. William B. Ide, the head of the California Republic, referred to the US occupation as a "conquest" and was anything but a fan of it. I don't know where you're pulling this idea that the Bear Flag Revolt had the "sole purpose" of getting California occupied by the Yankee Empire.

>California isn’t a district country, you have no unique language,
Americans didn't exactly invent the English language, you know. By that logic, just return all English-speaking areas of the world to the UK and just return California to Spain.

>or culture, or history to warrant self-determination, and in spite of this you still want to secede
Stop projecting. Just because your shitty flyover state carved out of native land doesn't have a culture or history doesn't mean we don't. Read about the Californios, the missions, the Rancho Period, the Russian colonization, the Lone Star Revolt and the 10 years of independence, the Gold Rush, the US-sponsored California Genocide following the occupation, the United Farm Workers and César Chávez, or literally any other part of California's rich history before you make assumptions.

>you can ask the confederates how that works.
So wanting independence for the sake of self-determination is the same as wanting independence for the sake of owning slaves? At least try to hide your imperialist tendencies. Californians were still quite riled up by the time the American Civil War came around and there was talk about joining the Confederates for the sake of regaining independence. However, California was not a slave state and never had been. Their worldview was fundamentally different than ours, so California fought with the Union instead. Not every separatist movement is equal, so to lump them all in one is quite an ignorant way to look at things.
>>616
Enjoy.
>>625
How do you do highlights and get the file size so smol. pls tell me i wanna get better
>>626
I can make a new thread for how I do it, if you'd like. Did something like that on old /ref/ too.
>>628
honestly, im pretty autistmo and i dont want you to waste the effort on lil'old me, but it would be nice to be directed to some youtube totorials that cover it.
>>629
I doubt there's a tutorial on how to do it, I just kind of figured it out myself. I don't mind making a thread about it.
>>624
That's a very badass image. Do you have more like that one?
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>>632
Like more Bear Flag Revolt stuff? Because if so, yes.
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>>633
United Farm Workers stuff is also great.

inb4 NazBol
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>Tell us something about your country
What is considered the first mass porduced botteled drink was created in Catalonia.
And also, fun fact, Catalan is speaked also speaked in a in northwestern Sardinia in Italy, there is a small town called Alghero
>and about yourself.
I enjoy vexillology, learning about world cultures, history, cinema, and I recently started doing airsoft
>>633
>>634
Thanks! Those are some nice-looking images.
>>623
The American war of Independence started out as a movement for more autonomy and democracy not independence. It was only when the British were bing fags that Independence was wanted.
>>624
>The first Californian state was established in 1767.
This is bull, it was a colony of Spain.
>>624
>The California Republic was merely a last-ditch attempt to re-establish Californian independence.
Their was no independence before the Mexican-American war. California was a colony of Spain, then was a sparcly populated region of Mexico.
>>624
>I don't know where you're pulling this idea that the Bear Flag Revolt had the "sole purpose" of getting California occupied by the Yankee Empire.
After the Mexican-American war California’s new legislature asked to become a US state. This request was granted in 1850.
>>624
>Russian colonization
Russia had a few trade outposts and forts. Not large scale colonization.
>>624
>the Gold Rush
When hundreds of thousands of Americans entered California.
>>624
>the US-sponsored California Genocide following the occupation
Now your just making shit up.
>>624
>United Farm Workers
Their were unions in California, so unique.
>>630
okay i give in, please help me
>>642
This post is awful, and I'm not even referring to the fact that you felt the need to quote my post seven times. You come across as either woefully ignorant on the subject or you're just a historical revisionist. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the former, so I'll spoonfeed you even though I gave you names of people and events as well as time frames so you could look this up for yourself. I'll just give you Wikipedia links because I honestly don't see you reading any actual books on the subject.

>This is bull, it was a colony of Spain.
Yes, the first Californian state was established as a province of New Spain. I don't know why you assumed I was claiming otherwise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Californias#Province_of_New_Spain

>Their was no independence before the Mexican-American war. California was a colony of Spain, then was a sparcly populated region of Mexico.
I literally gave you the name of Juan Bautista Alvarado and the year 1936 so you could look this up for yourself, yet you just hit me with a "didn't happen!" Do some research on the Lone Star Revolt of Juan Bautista Alvarado and the 10 years of independence. You can even find the text of the Californian Declaration of Independence of 1936 on Wikisource:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_of_California

>Russia had a few trade outposts and forts. Not large scale colonization.
Yes, and?

>When hundreds of thousands of Americans entered California.
Notice I didn't only list good things, I named the genocide as well. History is full of negative events.

>Now your just making shit up.
I can't tell of this is the usual Yankee genocide denial or just another example of your ignorance. Regardless, there's a fucking Wikipedia article on the California Genocide, so you really have no excuse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Genocide

>Their were unions in California, so unique.
<Union strikes happen in other countries, therefore they don't count as part of history!
<Revolutions happen in other countries, therefore they don't count as part of history!
<Wars happen in other countries, therefore they don't count as part of history!
This is how dumb you sound. Not to mention that the UFW was more than just a union, it led a movement that fundamentally changed Californian society. At least read up about them before you make claims.

Overall, just read up on the Californian history you don't believe exists instead of just claiming that documented events didn't happen. Yankee ignorance is honestly embarrassing and is just another reason why independence is a necessity.
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>>637
No problem, I'm considering making a /cali/ thread and I could dump more Californian art there, if you'd like.

>>643
Enjoy: >>645
>>644
>Yes, the first Californian state was established as a province of New Spain
You said “fist California state” making it sound like California was independent.
>>644
>I literally gave you the name of Juan Bautista Alvarado and the year 1936 so you could look this up for yourself
He got more autonomy from Mexico, not independence.
>>644
>I can't tell of this is the usual Yankee genocide denial or just another example of your ignorance.
>Europeans have measles
>Europeans develop resistance to measles
>Indians don’t
>Indians die
>muh wypipo
Yes their were some massacres by the Europeans against the Indians, but this was insignificant when compared to the Indian population decline. Also many of these massacres started when Indians raided settler towns.
>>644
>Overall, just read up on the Californian history you don't believe exists instead of just claiming that documented events didn't happen. Yankee ignorance is honestly embarrassing and is just another reason why independence is a necessity.
Everything that occurred in California post-1848 was nothing more then part of wider American History. Similar to how everything in Welsh History post-1400 is just part of British History or how everything in Basque history post-1939 is just part of Spanish history. Separatism is larp.
>>656
Well at least you returned to the UK as your beliefs say you should. Also, what is this odd method of quoting? Are you from Reddit or something?

>You said “fist California state” making it sound like California was independent.
That is fundamentally not what that means and if you misinterpreted it that way then it's your fault and not mine.

>He got more autonomy from Mexico, not independence.
If declaring independence and then the Mexican government not having any say in Californian matters counts as "more autonomy, not independence" to you, then I suppose no country has ever really gained independence. The fact that the Mexican government didn't recognise Californian independence doesn't mean shit. It was de facto independent even if it wasn't de jure.

>Yes their were some massacres by the Europeans against the Indians, but this was insignificant when compared to the Indian population decline.
The California Genocide specifically refers to the people who were outright killed, not the ones who died due to disease, you illiterate fuck.

>Also many of these massacres started when Indians raided settler towns.
<Yankees invade
<Natives fight back
<Cry, "See, they attacked first!"
Shit understanding of Californian history once again.

>Everything that occurred in California post-1848 was nothing more then part of wider American History. Similar to how everything in Welsh History post-1400 is just part of British History or how everything in Basque history post-1939 is just part of Spanish history. Separatism is larp.
There's so much wrong with this statement. First of all, even if this were true (it's not), would that invalidate the history from before those years? Secondly, that's a very convenient way to try to erase our history. Yes, I'm sure the California Genocide and the UFW had a very profound effect on fucking Maine. Thirdly, that's quite an imperialist way to look at things. You've given no reasons for why separatism is bad other than "but muh empire!"
>>657
>If declaring independence and then the Mexican government not having any say in Californian matters counts as "more autonomy, not independence" to you, then I suppose no country has ever really gained independence. The fact that the Mexican government didn't recognise Californian independence doesn't mean shit. It was de facto independent even if it wasn't de jure.
Except this didn’t happen.
>>657
>refers to the people who were outright killed
Less then 16,000 people were outright killed. Not really a genocide.
>>657
>You've given no reasons for why separatism is bad other than "but muh empire!”
Name one cultural difference between California and the rest of the US that isn’t something stupid like in n’ out. Name one. If you can’t do this their is no claim to a nation.
>>658
>Except this didn’t happen.
You finally did it! You did the bare minimum and read Wikipedia! Congrats! Now go on and read some actual books on the subject so you can learn that the agreement amounted to nothing more than de facto independence while legally remaining part of Mexico. It was largely still a breakaway state and refused to acknowledge Mexican hegemony, to the point where they refused to raise the Mexican flag and instead used the California Lone Star. In the outbreak of the Mexican-American war, the last president of California even said he would prefer California becoming a British protectorate than being occupied by the US or returning to Mexico.

>Less then 16,000 people were outright killed. Not really a genocide.
Out of a total population of around 80,000. That's a fifth of the population. What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

>Name one cultural difference between California and the rest of the US that isn’t something stupid like in n’ out. Name one. If you can’t do this their is no claim to a nation.
First of all, nice deflection. And secondly, the fact that you think that a local fast food chain is actual argument used by anyone to claim independence once again shows your ignorance on anything related to this topic. Thirdly, have you even been to California? We have more in common with other Latin American countries than the USA. Do you actually even know anything about us? Watching Hollywood movies doesn't make you an expert on us. If you can't see the cultural differences between us and different parts of the US (which themselves often have cultural differences as well), you're delusional. You've fallen for the "Left or right, we're all Americans!" meme that is used to keep the Yankee empire in power. Do you really understand how much damage Californian secession would do to global US imperialism? Perhaps you do and that's why you're against it. Whatever it is, go be imperialist somewhere else. Maybe Reddit or wherever you picked up this weird quoting method.
>>659
>It was largely still a breakaway state and refused to acknowledge Mexican hegemony, to the point where they refused to raise the Mexican flag and instead used the California Lone Star.
This doesn’t make you independent. California was still a part of Mexico until 1848.
>>659
>Out of a total population of around 80,000
No, out of a total population of 300,000
>>659
>Thirdly, have you even been to California?
Yeah,and everything that is wrong about the US is magnified to the highest degree their.
>suburbia
>car culture
>celebrity worship
>tent cities
>super powerful tech corporations
>high rents
>>659
>We have more in common with other Latin American countries than the USA.
Okay, give contemporary one example of this.
>>659
>If you can't see the cultural differences between us and different parts of the US (which themselves often have cultural differences as well), you're delusional.
Yeah, but they are microscopic compared to the differences between Austria and Hungary.
>>659
>You've fallen for the "Left or right, we're all Americans!" meme that is used to keep the Yankee empire in power.
A burger is a burger. To claim otherwise and pretend that regional differences or having a great grandparent from Russia makes your not a burger is LARP.
>>659
>Do you really understand how much damage Californian secession would do to global US imperialism?
Same could be said about neo-confederates.
>>659
>Whatever it is, go be imperialist somewhere else.
America is imperialist because the dollar is the world reserve currency, and American corporations own factories in the third world. Not because American has territorial integrity. If anything California is imperialist agains the rest of the US because without the rest of the US California would have no water.
>>659
>Maybe Reddit or wherever you picked up this weird quoting method.
Your the one doing reddit spacing, not me.
>>659
>We have more in common with other Latin American countries than the USA.
This is next level retardation. Have you ever been to Mexico, or Cuba, or Costa Rica. I have. Their is a much bigger difference between those countries and California, their their is between California and Ohio.
>>595
Mexican here.
We like tacos and pozole, and we had a revolution in 1910 which instead of organizing and letting the proletariat rule the country, still maintained the status quo, but with different rulers.
Most of our socialist/ syndicalist movements got massacrated, or hunted, or just ignored.
Right now we are living, thanks to the politics of the Mexican state, and the US influence, in the Neolibertarian Nightmare, but instead of people realizing the reforms are shite, they become more and more reactonary; at least in the state I am.

I, myself, hope the Zapatistas sooner or later bring the revolution to Mexico, to all of it; but well, considering how things are right now it seems quite far from it. I like history a lot, and I have some books of the proletarian movements in Mexico in the XX century.
>>662
I haven't been to California, at all. Thanks Visa system. But well, I belive people are right when they say the US stealed those territories from Mexico and introduced and imposed their culture over there.
>>661
Why
>>661
The
>>661
Fuck
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Do
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You
>>661
Reply
>>661
This
>>661
Way
Could the Yankee imperialists take the bases and missiles and leave?
>>663
I like tacos and pozole too. Does that make me honorary mexican?
What region are you from?
>>676
t.salty imperialized euro
>>681
t. imperialist
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>>683
>>682
america wont take their bases out for you, your going to need to take them out yourself. if a successful revolution happen here you bet your asses we will keep those bases going to spread culural marxism in your countries
>>610
>bavarians
>resembling anything german
Saupreiß geh hoam
https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoamseitn
Hungary is a depressing place with no hope or future. I think about killing myself every day.
>>682
If Germany didn’t want American military bases in their land they wouldn’t’ve started two world wars.
>>689
The only reason Bavarians pretend they aren’t Germans is because they want to avoid Holocaust guilt.
>>695
if i wanted to do that i'd move to france

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