>>615>The US has existed as a country for two hundred years.
California has existed as an entity since the 1500s before the 13 colonies were even conceptualized. The first Californian state was established in 1767. Being around for a while does not make imperialism legitimate.>California was only independent 23 days and seceded from Mexico with the sole purpose of being annexed by the US.
Stop pretending to know Californian history. California's independence was declared in 1836 following the coup by Juan Bautista Alvarado and lasted until the Mexican government took back control in the chaos of the Mexican-American War in 1846. The California Republic was merely a last-ditch attempt to re-establish Californian independence. William B. Ide, the head of the California Republic, referred to the US occupation as a "conquest" and was anything but a fan of it. I don't know where you're pulling this idea that the Bear Flag Revolt had the "sole purpose" of getting California occupied by the Yankee Empire.>California isn’t a district country, you have no unique language,
Americans didn't exactly invent the English language, you know. By that logic, just return all English-speaking areas of the world to the UK and just return California to Spain.>or culture, or history to warrant self-determination, and in spite of this you still want to secede
Stop projecting. Just because your shitty flyover state carved out of native land doesn't have a culture or history doesn't mean we don't. Read about the Californios, the missions, the Rancho Period, the Russian colonization, the Lone Star Revolt and the 10 years of independence, the Gold Rush, the US-sponsored California Genocide following the occupation, the United Farm Workers and César Chávez, or literally any other part of California's rich history before you make assumptions.>you can ask the confederates how that works.
So wanting independence for the sake of self-determination is the same as wanting independence for the sake of owning slaves? At least try to hide your imperialist tendencies. Californians were still quite riled up by the time the American Civil War came around and there was talk about joining the Confederates for the sake of regaining independence. However, California was not a slave state and never had been. Their worldview was fundamentally different than ours, so California fought with the Union instead. Not every separatist movement is equal, so to lump them all in one is quite an ignorant way to look at things.