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/lang/ - Language Learning General Anonymous Refugee 04/02/2020 (Thu) 12:46:06 No. 2090
>What tongue(s) are you learning? >Ask questions about your target tongue! >Help people who want to learn a new tongue!
I want to reacquaint myself with Spanish. I always speak it at my job, but I'm horrible at writing it. Any useful Spanish grammar and mechanics books you would recommend, comrades?
Here's some links I stole from the language learning thread on /hobby/ https://mega.nz/#F!x4VG3DRL!lqecF4q2ywojGLE0O8cu4A https://mega.nz/#F!l4FHkD4J!zUFsx5UIIOX7OspNuikSmw I live in South America and currently know English, Spanish, and Portuguese and i'm currently learning Quechua. I'm also studying Mandarin, but it's hard af and something I am keeping on the back burner. >>2092 check the first link I posted
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Mi studadas la internacian lingvon: Esperanto!
I wanna learn German for literature and shit but the grammar's too hard and I haven't found any good books online. Anyone have some resources?
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>>2094 Bruh
>>2101 Wew lad
>>2101 A bruh moment.
>>2090 Any easy to read Catalan comics or something like that?
>>2096 Faiz Anon, can you start a south asia general? Been reading about Bhutto and the socialist movements >Hum Dekhenge
>>2445 Where? In /edu/? Also, if you’d like to learn more about revolutionaries in India and Pakistan, I was reading the book Partition - can it be undone by Lal Khan. Really good book.
>>2322 Not a comic perse, but if you're interested on a magazine with comics you can check out Cavall Fort and El Tatano (both are for children but El Tatano is for smaller children) https://cavallfort.cat/jo-em-quedo-a-casa/ Unfortunately most comics made here are published in spanish, but some of them get catalan translations. Mortadel·lo i Filemó is probably the most famous one. Also there are many mangas translated in Catalan (such as - Bleach - Bola de Drac - Cinturó Negre - Detectiu Conan - Doraemon - Fushigi Yûgi - Ikkyu - Inu Yasha - Kimagure Orange Road - Love Hina - Musculman - Naruto - Sakura - Shin Chan - ) There are also some catalan fansubs https://www.fansubs.cat/ https://manga.fansubs.cat/ and you can also check https://www.animelliure.net/ for catalan translations of anime (fun fact If I remember correctly, One Piece has more episodes translated in catalan than castillian)
>>2449 Nah, in general
Anyone have any easy yiddish books or tutorials? I already listen to many yiddish songs and i’d like to learn a bit of colloquial yiddish
>>2488 Oops, forgot to turn off my vpn
Any materials on how to learn french? >>2488 >yiddish huh, why that choice?
>>2467 >Bola de Drac Hmm, I've heard your dub is much better than the Castilian one. Thanks for the resources and suggestions!
Is there any way to get Pimsleur for free? I want to learn Russian. >>3049 I'm a native speaker, so I don't know a specific resource, but for any language you can start with basics on a youtube tutorial, then get Assimil or something like that. Depends on what your goals are, if it's for conversations you can stick to traditional methods (Assimil, Pimsleur) and talking to strangers once you've mastered the basics. Watch a lot of films, series or listen to music (I can recommend you this channel for leftist news https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT67YOMntJxfRnO_9bXDpvw). If you are more interested by literature/written French, I know everyone starts with Le petit Prince by Saint-Exupéry, which is an international classic so a must read anyway.
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How do you go about expanding your vocabulary? Do you just use the language and hope new words stick or do something specific to learn new words?
>>3059 there's a complete pack on rutracker.
>>3060 Generally I learn just reading something that i like, everyday I open the newspaper, get an article, and get the words that I don't know, write them down in my notepad, do some phrases with them and maybe I'll put them on anki if I am bored You can use methods by association, like comparing a word to another word of a language that you know, but sometimes at least for me it takes too long to be practical
>>2090 I'm trying to teach myself French, and I can't really gain the courage to do it. Does anybody else know this feeling, and if so, how did you beat it?
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Are there any Poles lurking here that would be willing to help me with the difficult endeavor of learning the Polish language? I put my email in the email field, just replace the ! with .
>>3115 intredasting
>>3333 check'd >>3080 >I can't really gain the courage to do it What do you mean by that? Like, would you feel more focused if you had an instructor to help you, or are you afraid of something?
>>2101 i call bullshit, lasalle didn't write like that at all
>>3049 >huh, why that choice? I love klezmer and yiddish music in general and I wanna understand the lyrics. Learning yiddish would also allow me to understand german, which is nice.
Been learning Russian for like 2 months. Not specifically because of the USSR/Lenin or anything politics-related, just due to the niceness of the language and because it's useful in a pretty huge part of the world. Advice to anyone learning a language: use Duolingo, not just the app but the online forum. It's a good starting place where you will find lots of resources for your target language.
>>3080 What do you want to learn French for? Is it for reading history or theory, reading novels, talking with relatives, flirting, going on vacation, watching movies, radicalizing Africa? You have to always keep your goal in mind. For example I'm trying Russian because I love Tarkovsky and post-soviet punk music, and I want to be able to read a bit of Lenin too. I've not gone very far yet bc I'm a lazy piece of shit but one day I'll really work on it.
>>3787 >post-soviet punk music I see that you are a man of culture as well
>>3787 If you're learning Russian, I recently found a channel that catalogues a shitton of Soviet era television. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiVZttFkdEwMi3QXpRqFTzQ/videos
>>2090 i know turkish and english and i really want to learn french or chinese maybe even latin in the future can you even learn like actual latin nowadays?
>>3905 also,is chinese hard to learn?a friend of mine keeps saying it would take me more than 4 years to learn chinese so im kinda scared to even try learning it
>>3906 Mandarin is quite easy tbh, especially the grammar. Tones are easy to learn too, you just need a bit of practice. Writing can be difficult but for me it wasn't as I just doodled them when I was bored. Doodling random chinese words made my hand writing look neater as well. It will take you like a month or so to be able to order food from restaurants, start a basic conversation, write a simple story, etc. I used a few apps and some dictionaries - namely HelloChinese and got atleast an A2 level of proficiency
>>3905 >can you even learn like actual latin nowadays? I mean I learnt it in highschool, both Latin and classical Greek are pretty common here in Belgium if you do the 'general highschool' orientation, isn't it in Turkey? You can definitely find loads of resources
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I should be studying languages but I am too lazy.
>>4183 is there any language that interests you my hungarian friend??
>>3943 >both Latin and classical Greek are pretty common here in Belgium You guys are very lucky, here we only study basic English, and very rarely maybe Spanish but I have never seen a school that teaches it here
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>>4186 Yes, Esperanto.
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>>4203 I keep hearing about this language. Tell me more, pretty please
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>>4205 It's the most widely spoken constructed language. It was invented by a Polish eye doctor called L. L. Zamenhof, who thought a common language could ease ethnic tension in his home town, and hopefully one day lead to world peace. It was designed to be a universal second language, in his ideal world you would learn your native language first and Esperanto only as a second language to help use with people who don't speak your native language. I'm interested in it because it is the only constructed language that is actually used.
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>>4212 Hmm, sounds rather interesting. I was looking more into this and apparently its like a mix of a bunch of different languages together. I've never heard of it before, so I was wondering if maybe this is more of a common thing among Euros? Also do u know anyone who uses it irl? also, please either spoil or censor such lewd behavior! I censored it for you for future use
>>4214 > I've never heard of it before, so I was wondering if maybe this is more of a common thing among Euros? It's more common in Asia, especially China. There's also a service for Esperanto speakers who're visiting another country to live with another Esperantist for free. It's called the 'Pasaporta Servo'.
>>4214 I don't know anyone personally. I just consume the language passively online.
>>4214 I had a civics teacher in like 8th grade from cuba who knew how to speak it. he once invited a priest that knew how to speak it too and the demonstrated a conversation in front of class.
>>4217 Both Cuba and the Vatican does official radio broadcasts in Esperanto: http://www.radiohc.cu/eo http://www.radio-vatikana-esperanto.org/
Just on grammar what is your favorite language?
>>4272 Personally mine is basque, the verbal system is not as hellish as georgian but it is still has a interesting complexity and some interesting stuff that I have never seen, and also the 12 cases and ergativity are really cool
>>4272 Persian
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>>4215 >It's more common in Asia, especially China. Thats interesting. Would've thought it be Europe. I wonder why that is? >>4216 Is there a specific place you like to hang out for Esperanto use? >>4217 that sounds cool! what were you thinking when that happened >>4218 back
>>4281 *wack
>>4281 >I wonder why that is? Around the turn of the 20th Century, Esperanto was incredibly significant in the Internationalist Communist movement. Lots of Chinese and Japanese Communists knew Esperanto, and many works of Communist literature had been translated into Esperanto but not their languages, so it was very good for spreading theory and communication between revolutionaries of different languages. Additionally there were works of Communist literature written in Esperanto to begin with out east, not even in their native languages, but it's not as if that was every work. The Japanese in particular liked Esperanto (and continue to), they liked it so much so that even this one ex-Communist turned Fascist who trying couping the Japanese Imperial government for not being Fascist enough wanted to make Esperanto the sole language of the Co-Prosperity sphere: replacing the languages of the imperially dominated in China and Korea, but also replacing even Japanese as he thought Esperanto to be a superior language. Additionally, the Nazis and European Fascists banned the usage of the language as a tool for its role as a tool of 'International Jewish Bolshevism' or something to that effect I'm sure, and I'm not sure if that's the reason why the language sort of stopped growing in prevalence, but I'm sure it succeeded in repressing it to some degree. Anyhow, its role in Communism's history is likely why its still marginally more popular today in states which identify as being Socialist I suppose.
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I N P U T N P U T
>>4332 Absolutely fucking BASED Input Hypothesis posting KRASHENPILLED BrasiliANO (where the fuck did you get a krashen meme lol; did you make it?)
>>4333 Got from /int/, a Canadian anon always posted it on the /lang/ general
>>4334 Well then the Leafoid is Based as well.
>>4332 What's this about?
>>4342 Stephen Krashen is a linguist who's research has yielded the understanding that language is only truly learned, or 'acquired' as he says, through the brain's parsing of input. If when you try to speak another language it is first filtered in your brain, if you need to take the lag-time to translate from your native to the target language, then your brain hasn't truly acquired the language. A language is acquired at least in some capacity when you can formulate thoughts in the target language without having to first formulate the thought in your own native language. And you can only attain this state of having acquired a language whenever your brain has had enough input in the target language. When you learn on Duolingo, you're learning to become literate, you're learning how to read and write, when you've not even become fluent in the target language. People can speak their language perfectly fine without being literate they're whole damn lives, and people in the past certainly learned how to speak other languages without any reading, writing, or even common linguistic ground. Now in the modern era it sucks to be illiterate, so anyone learning should still learn to be literate in their target language, but they should understand that literacy does not necessarily equate to fluency. American language classes teach us nothing but literacy, and we're never exposed to any content of people actually speaking Spanish or French, thus even when burgers actually have language class they still never become fluent. The same sort of thing goes for the Japanese, their classes focus wholly on English fluency but they never absorb any content in English or have someone really speak complete English expressions to them. Now for the Scandies on the other hand, most content does not get localized into their languages because it's not profitable, and their languages are already very close to English, so not only do they have excellent literacy classes, they also grow up constantly exposed to English, and that's why I'd honestly consider them to be native speakers at this point. They actually get the INPUT needed to acquire the English language, and lots of genZ nerds around the world spend so much of their time on English YouTube while also having classes, so they get the input they need as well and that's why so many have pristine English. So classes help, but INPUT is the adhesive which brings everything together; the brain is a muscle and language is a muscular action. Stephen Krashen's Input Hypothesis has a lot of scientific data behind it, and that's my summary of it, but you can look into it as well if it sounds interesting.
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>>4348 That sounds very convenient as consuming is always easier than producing, so I understand the appeal. What do they do in Usonian language classes? When I was in school we did all kinds of activities, including listening practice, reading comprehension, memorizing, etc., so in addition of studying grammar, there was plenty of input readily available. I agree that Duolingo is not very good as a course, in my opinion it relies too much on translation. But it is pretty nice for additional exercises that you can do a little of every day.
>>4349 >Usonian Based; anyway, idk we kinda just fucked around was my experience. Sure we learned vocabulary lists and grammar structures, but at a very slow pace and it's all memorization. Listening practice and reading comprehension isn't something we meaningfully did until I'd say the third year, and they didn't even have us attempt to read a book til the fourth (this is in all grades 9-12). There was essentially no exposure to long form speaking of Spanish at all, and no encouragement to get it on our own time. If I lived in a more latino part of the country I probably would've got plenty more exposure to speakers without even trying, but as it stands all I can really do is translate, and the rest of my fellow former students can hardly even do that. So anything I could ever want to say in Spanish (except for a few minor phrases and expressions) must first be filtered through English; I'm fairly good at that, but it's hardly any way to be speaking a language! I been thinking about watching Spanish dubbed anime to brainblast me, but I hear most dubs suck and also I find it really hard to consUme anime or most content these days, even if I'm doing literally nothing else because Coronita. Though that's a bit of personal ramble.
>>4352 Did you ever deliberately try to think in Spanish? It might work. Memorizing poems and short prose or excerpts could also help, it should force you to bypass your inner translation.
>>4353 Well as Usonians, we of course had to memorize the pledge of allegiance, but in Spanish! I do know the whole thing by heart, and understand the meaning of everything I'm saying without translating, but it is just for that specific thing. Trying to think in Spanish for most anything else I find often results in translation; I really do think of an English word before the Spanish can come out. I really do think I just need more exposure to listening and understanding others speaking so that my brain has a better innate understanding, I'm just really lazy about actually doing what I need to do lol.
>>4354 >we of course had to memorize the pledge of allegiance, but in Spanish! Really? For like Spanish class?
>>4355 Ay si` papi. https://voca.ro/eLh1pzgwfnz Some white chick with a german surname fresh outta college was teacher that year. I don't even know if it's even a correct version honestly, but that's the version she had us memorize. On wikipedia it says 'Juro' instead of 'Yo prometo' so I think she was bullshittin it lel.
>>4356 I find that rather odd because I live in a predominantly Latino community and we never had to learn the pledge in Spanish lol also is that you reciting it
>>4357 >also is that you reciting it Yes; was my pronunciation trash?
>>4358 Actually, it ain’t too bad. I think you even may have rolled your R’s, something I’ll tell you is usually not present.
>>4359 I feel like I recall some of my gringo teachers not being able to roll their 'r's and doing the English rhotic one. Just disgusting lel.
>>4356 ngl you sound like you are speaking portuguese. Did good tho but still need to strip a bit off the gringo pronunciation.
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>>4354 >we of course had to memorize the pledge of allegiance, but in Spanish!
>>4358 the accent was unexpected, it didn't sound like the typical american accent.

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