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Any other blackanons get kinda discouraged when seeing how other image boards/sites see our race? Anonymous 10/15/2020 (Thu) 03:54:49 No. 999707
Do you just ignore it or does it get to you sometimes. Examples: pretty much any thread on 4chan even mentioning a black person.
>>999707 its partly edgyness but mostly just racist shutins. I dont think you can judge general opinion by whats on chans
This comedy bit actually discusses racism a bit. It's because a bunch of backward villagers got internet and are saying the shit they say with all the people in the town they never left. It's never been a problem for them so they don't see a reason to change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFMGTKDpkh8
>>999750 They wish
>>999750 OP here, do you really think so?
I wonder how multi racial /leftypol/ is, you might be our only token we can use to show liberals how we're not nazbols.
>>999787 Doubtful We have actual Africans here mate
Man, I hope we have a lot of black posters or at least get some. Hoteps are fucking funny, and woke black people are INCREDIBLY based.
>>999787 Bruh, we're more diverse than reddit communists.
>>999806 I wonder if you realize how racist you're being right now.
>>999787 I thought this board was whiter than /pol/. Wasn't there a poll at some point?
>>999890 I believe it. Do you know how fucking tiresome it is to have progressives try to explain economic realities to you in terms of identity, because they assume that is how you must see it as a PoC? It is obnoxious. That right there is why their groups are always so white.
>>999724 Love me some cum town
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>>999913 This. This is why a lot of liberals appeals to why you can't talk about economics because it "alienates minorities" is so futile, because most minorities fully understand how different economic programs will help them.
who the fuck would be racist when they could just have this instead
Go on porn boards and realize that every racist has a sexual pathology. >>999714 Read Stalin. Black americans are an opressed nationality. >>999944 She is beautiful but that is a chauvinist attitude.
>>999952 >chauvinist nobody cares or even knows what that means
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>>999977 Hoxha bros
>>999977 if you get it its fake
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>>999986 don't be a faggot
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>>999986 don't spam retard
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Black women are fucking QUEENS
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>>1000000 lol who did this
Not black but reactionary shit online is so fucking tiresome. >>999714 Shut uuuuup. Stop saying shit you don't understand.
This is now a thread for the appreciation of Black Beauty. Post 'em comr8s
>>999944 I refuse to believe that ass is natural.
>>1000061 Its not, and that girl is pure LARPing in that clip
>>999707 I'm half. It use to bother me when I was a lot younger. Learning materialism, the sciences, understanding why people are reactionary has helped to the point where I feel bad them for them now.
not black but it just makes me hate honkys even more. I truly believe that if "evil" exists in physical form, then its the c*ucasian race. no race has genocided half the planet in only a few centuries, no race has a reactionary, borderline sociopathic online culture like wh*tes do. i never see jewish or black supremacists online who hate other races and post gore pictures of them on the daily. and finally, no race projects harder than them, they love to downplay their atrocities and say that other races like asians have no empathy and eat dogs or kill them for fun. Their very presence and their capitalism is destroying this world. They need to go extinct. and did i mention they smell like wet dog? Fucking crackers man
idpol
>our race Which "race" would that be? Do you even realize that Africa has by far the highest genetic diversity among the global human population?
>>1000177 damn, /pol/ has graduated from low effort to medium effort bait. incredible
>>999944 >implants and cottage cheese ass
>>999944 How do I turn spoilers on again aaaaaa
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Arab diaspora (parents from middle east, I'm born in the west) here If you rely on reactionary subcultures for personal validation you're just begging for some kind of complex OP. Maybe this is "idpol," but I've found the best way to counteract western racial narratives on the personal level is to base your sense of self on an understanding of your given culture's political history. And so I don't seek validation for my "Identity" from media depictions or affirmations from social groups (which, in the case of other Imageboards, means accepting reactionary race theory), but instead through that understanding (which means it's more-or-less a personal decision to feel comfortable as X minority group in the west, because I've read some political theory and history). Not sure I've made sense here but I hope it's somewhat helpful.
>>999714 "idpol bad" is a nazbol psyop prove me wrong
>>999787 The old meme is that /leftypol/ is more diverse than reddit/twitter left but less diverse than /pol/.
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>>999952 >She is beautiful but that is a chauvinist attitude. Nobody says this when people use examples of masculine beauty to make these sorts of arguments about ethnic pride. The actual problem is cherrypicking attractive people to say "this is what my tribe looks like."
>>999944 Sauce
Chink-Burger here, I have to admit that my blood starts boiling when I'm browsing /pol/ because everytime China is mentioned it's either le based 90% Han ethnostate or muh lack of empathy street shitting peasants who deserve to be genocided. Both are absolutely idiotic positions and it makes me slightly worried about facing death squads of le /pol/ faces in the future. If it's that bad for Chinamaynes I have no idea how blackanons can stand to be on any internet discussion forum without wanting to blow their brains out over the sheer retardation. I've since then learned how to operate and maintain firearms. Granted the chances of fascist death squads appearing in the next couple decades in America is quite low, but you never know. You can always train harder and be smarter than they are. The bar is very low to begin with.
>>1001046 don't they hate china because gommies
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>>999707 >Any other blackanons get kinda discouraged when seeing how other image boards/sites see our race? Nothing in life is Black and White, except for people. It's a childish social construct that has no relation to reality. It's funny that Red Man and Yellow Man are considered highly offensive now, but Black and Brown are considered acceptable. Everyone is a shade of brown.
>>1001058 I'm sure that's part of it, but I think it really boils down to the fact that they hate any non-white population that doesn't have produce pop culture commodities for them to consume. Japan has been in the club for decades, and now South Korea is beginning to join it. It's all a sham. If India began producing Bollywood movies about Aryan ancestors BTFOing damn Dravidians and Mooslims they would turn on a dime and advocate for Pan-Aryan nationalism.
>>1001063 And if anything. White people should be called Pink people.
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>>1000055 Oh wow I didn't expect to be gay today But seriously, black people are beautiful and should feel beautiful
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>>999944 BOOBAS
>>999724 >Albanians are rat people. Correct.
To OP. It never gets easier. Try and find like minded black people irl. It eases the stress of being leftist and black. I come on bunkerchan for shitposting but sometimes even some of leftists here give me a headache about screaming about some of problems black americans have as idpol when I'm trying to explain what is going on in the past. I've mostly given up on effort posting on these issues but sometimes people actually listen. You have to pick your spots. Best of luck.
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I'm white and I find it discouraging, it's a good example of how stupid and easily misled people are and how good identity politics are at distracting folks from class conciousness. If that many people are out there calling me a "race denier" then we're clearly fighting an uphill battle on that front too.
>>1001046 Why would you bother with /pol/ 4chan in general, for that matter
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>>1001231 kek. have you been to pol?
>>1001231 I just like imageboards. We're all equally anonymous, the conversation is synchronous, and astroturfing requires a little more foresight than getting accounts to mass upvote. Plus, /ck/ is legitimately one of the funniest places on the internet.
>>1001247 I haven't browsed 4chan in general since uh, 2016 maybe, you telling me it's not just reactionaries posting cuckold pornography suddenly
>>1001316 >you telling me it's not just reactionaries posting cuckold pornography suddenly No, i am telling you reactionaries that post cuckold pornography are also brown or otherwise non-white.
>>1001321 Im not saying don't browse cause of their inbred scotch irish bloodlines, I'm saying don't browse cause they're reactionaries
>>999724 Albanians are shit tho
I mean we don't like uighurs so yeah sorry anon.
>>1001414 >we fuck off to /pol/.
>>1001264 >I just like imageboards. We're all equally anonymous, except it's not though. ON 4chan and on leftypol people talk with the implicit assumption that everyone here is white and male. You probably don't realise it, but it's alienating for everyone who isn't
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>>1001163 >come on bunkerchan for shitposting but sometimes even some of leftists here give me a headache about screaming about some of problems black americans have as idpol when I'm trying to explain what is going on in the past. I'd probably be depressed to discover that I'm wrong, but I imagine this mainly comes from leftists in other countries. I don't understand how a socialist in the U.S., white or not, could possibly get that far and then think racial discrimination and oppression in the U.S. is a distraction or not a problem. Like that's just stupid. You'd have to be living in a basement or just not know anything at all. I personally didn't even know much about American communists until I took an black history course. Many of the most based communists in American history were black men and women and they got into a lot of trouble for it or were just annihilated by the government. And you know... I bet that a lot of the people who don't think there are any problems of racism will talk about how a left-nationalist thing for America would be good and that's not idpol, but most of your national heroes as an American communist are going to be black people who fought racism, and that's for a variety of historical reasons. https://youtu.be/KfsWoNpHg2s
>>1001720 I think the general cooptation of the legacy of the civil rights movement by former hippies-cum-progressive-liberals is the main issue that prevents some contemporary contrarian leftists from understanding this. They'd prefer to screech about how BLM is entirely a corporate neoliberal front organization that is funneling massive money to protestors in a enlightened centrist version of Soros theories.
>>1000731 Nazbols love idpol, tho. It's their whole schtick.
>>999897 >das raycis Nobody cares anymore. We used that one too often.
>>1001792 Nazbol: IdPol for me but not for thee.
>>999707 >>999707 >Do you just ignore it or does it get to you sometimes. Usually I just laughed it off, but sometimes I was reminded that those polyps, don't just do it for the laughs, but genuine hate my guts just for being black and existing especially when they post gore vids of black people dying and say they would kill any black person in sight if they had the chance made kinda uncomfortable in white spaces. However what infuriates me more, is White first worlders especially 4channers blaming Africans for their underdevelopment, claiming that black people are inferior and stupid just because they are black, this probably has a lot more to do with my childhood, since I really believed I was retarded and there was no hope for improvement because I was black anyway, the teachers also treated me like that... (now I am studying for a Master degree tho, using it to dunk on retarded white racists)
>>999944 It's a feels>reals attitude, so the moment their dick twitches, most racists will still express attraction (likely in a degrading way).
>>1001775 I think the idea of sacrificing principles such as that for the sake of a brand is a bourgeois, liberal notion which has nothing to do with socialism, and if that's what socialism is then it's a delusion and a snare and people should not be socialists and should bury it and go on to do something else. But actually... I'm optimistic... and I think the real white supremacists and Nazi types are losing badly.
>>1001812 Nice, bro. Fellow black guy working on my masters here. Never believed I was inferior honestly, I always knew I was more intelligent than most people around me, but it bugs me too that many in the first world don‘t know Africa has been and is still being actively exploited as part of sustaining the current Western hegemony. While it does give me slight hope that African infrastructure and economies are improving, albeit under a capitalist system, climate change is the final nail in the coffin for all remaining future hope for Africa. Honestly, I can‘t wait until we reach the next chapter in human catastrophe where climate change is going to make the global South uninhabitable.
>>1001775 United States has the population of 330 million. Out of the current world population of 7.8 billion, that's only 4.2%. I would rather see US turned into irradiated ash than "tolerate racism".
>>1001775 >American proles are racist and will remain racist for the foreseeable future. Lmao, no. Racism is not something that is "ingrained" especially during a revolutionary situation, those useless concepts of the superstructure will be gone from the start.
>>1001859 Socialists who "tolerate racism" should be treated the same as Nazis. They should not have friends. They should lose their jobs. They should live in fear. That's called revolutionary terror. The ones who have that happening to them now should count their lucky swastikas they're just getting the homeopathic version instead of the other version.
>>1001842 Based??
>>999996 ironically, i'm pretty sure she's mixed
>>1001940 No, she's ethiopian, that's why she doesn't look sub-saharan
>>1001812 >retarded whites Not exactly helping your argument, are you?
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>>1001183 Black people are often maligned, but I unironically think that the blacker black people are, the more otherworldly and almost divinely beautiful they look
>>1001975 >retarded white racists Nice try, retard :^)
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>>1001985 Afar's have the most based hairstyles.
brown anon, I feel ya black anons, I feel welcome on leftypol most of the time (sometimes ehh) but apart from here other imageboards make me feel unwelcome and hate us both so m
>>1000177 based fuck crackers
>>1002006 also brown as in south asia (but am born n raised in britbong), the amount pol fucking sees me and my people as rapists and pedos and all this sexual pervision on us, fuck pol crackers they
>>1001998 ....and the difference is what? Alienating people because of their skin color is wrong no matter who’s doing it.
Banned: Likely trolling /pol/poster if you think there is no difference between white racists and white people.
>>1002092 >Bestiality is wrong. But white people occasionally look human enough to fuck. I know it's wrong but sometimes I can't help myself.
>>1002092 Show us your porn folder
>>1001543 Ehh, on 4chan I automatically assume that everyone is a bald midget with down syndrome
Define the black race for me someone.
>>1002200 tfw slavic and seen as the uighurs of europe
>>1002220 What do you think of modern day fascists who love Hitler and Generalplan Ost but then say shit like "Russia is the last real White Nation!" or "Eastern Europe is based! The last bastion of the Whites!"??
>>1002250 Sorry, meant for >>1002227
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>>1002250 >"Russia is the last real White Nation!" I say they have never been to Russia.... lmao.
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>>1002250 Didn't Adolfo kill a shitton of Slavs?
>>1002301 I'm pretty sure Hitler said a lot of derogatory shit about Slavs, besides the obvious genocidal intent he displayed for them.
>>1002006 >>1002054 brownfagx3, this place ain't that much better. All this shared lingo with the /pol/yp crowd is tiresome af. I guess this is why people fuck off to safe spaces so easily (Twitter comes to mind) instead of having to deal with all this mess.
>>1002338 /pol/ack you are so bad at this. You understand we can all see your IP, yes?
>>1001839 what's your masters on? do you have a dissertation topic? >>1001985 >>1001999 this is fucking creepy behaviour. No wonder people feel unwelcome here with these kinds of fetishizing 'othering' posts
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>>1002344 >>1002364 >receive some feedback about the board attitude towards non-whites and the language employed >immediately jump into the /pol/ interrogation aight .-.
>>1002371 post chin.
>>1002356 Computer science. I don't have a dissertation topic yet, cause semester has yet to start. Probably something on machine learning though.
>>1002338 Arab from earlier here again Yeah I agree tbh; shame cause in between the trash you do get novel, interesting, more accurate takes when compared to reddit or twitter.
>>1002371 And so what, we can't say that black people can be beautiful too?
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>>1002411 POST CHIN FAG
>>1002364 dude fuck off. unironically posting pictures of black people and talking about you find them attractive is peak liberal shit.
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>>1002440 POST CHIN
Banned: Repetitive spam
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>1002415 >And so what, we can't say that black people can be beautiful too? If this was a thread about posting pictures of people you find attractive, then go ahead, but you need to realise how cringy it is to show up in a thread discussing serious issues about black people feel alienated by chan culture and start making these objectifying posts where you say "guize black people are so attractive". I get that your heart is in the right place, but it comes off trying way too hard.
>>1002485 Yeah it's not malicious but it's tone deaf
>>1002440 I don't know about any else, but I tried to emphasize beauty over attractiveness. Pictured is a pretty good example of someone I don't find attractive, but who has aesthetics that are completely beautiful and a think it's a shame that such aesthetics, which I find pleasing are regarded as imperfections (colourism and whatever) Also, I completely expected this thread to be filled with /pol/yps baiting. sorry
>>1002491 exactly. if you're not white and you come to chan boards, you will often encounter people talking as if you aren't "one of us". Like they will say things like "what do you think about black people" or whatever, with the implicit assumption that everyone posting is white, male and right wing. It's nice that people want to react against that, but by objectifying the race, even in a positive way, it still others.
>>999806 Yeah hoteps are funny to laugh at, but this site would go to shit if they managed to involve themselves, or any kind of chauvinists tbh...
>>1001827 SAUCE for the girl in pic PLEASE
>>1002356 <this is fucking creepy behaviour. No wonder people feel unwelcome here with these kinds of fetishizing 'othering' posts >Afar's have the most based hairstyles. You can't compliment people on their hairstyle now? That's the most basic of compliments you can give to a stranger.
>>1002532 >SAUCE for the girl in pic PLEASE Search for "average Asian woman, sports bra."
>>1002440 either pic related or a nazbol faggot
>>1001985 This.
>>1002356 I find marble pale white people beautifull too. Some things just looks interesting and pretty because it's different from what you're used to and the more extreme that difference the more interesting it is. Having a skin tone 2 shades darker than the Sicilian just isn't as interesting as having pitch black skin.
>>1001046 their are what 2,000 people on /pol/ at most >>1001720 >You'd have to be living in a basement or just not know anything at all. I personally didn't even know much about American communists until I took an black history course. Many of the most based communists in American history were black men and women and they got into a lot of trouble for it or were just annihilated by the government. And you know... I bet that a lot of the people who don't think there are any problems of racism will talk about how a left-nationalist thing for America would be good and that's not idpol, but most of your national heroes as an American communist are going to be black people who fought racism, and that's for a variety of historical reasons. That shit is from the twentieth century when America was 90% white, times are changing and now this place is mostly mestizos and asians who don't care about race. America today is a very different country from what it used to be. Both culturally and demographically. Very few people were around during the civil rights movement, much less remember it. Soon the total population of whites and blacks added up together will be a minority in America and anyone still taking about this shit will look out of touch. >>1003300 >Having a skin tone 2 shades darker than the Sicilian just isn't as interesting as having pitch black skin. So if I rub charkole on my cock will you suck it, cause I'd do that.
>>1001985 lmao were you in the thread where riefenstahl was discussed?
>>1002553 as much as I dislike k pop, I am glad the aesthetic is at least offering something a little different.
>>1001081 They already have post modi
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>>1003483 I'm white so what do I know, and gonna complicate things somewhat, but things have changed a lot and if you look around at zoomers, they're not Nazis by and large. It's way more diverse and intermixed compared to previous generations. My dad remembers the 1960s growing up in Texas and he told me "take those guys with the tiki torches and make them 80 percent of the kids I grew up around. That's what it was like." He remembers race riots at his high school. He's a liberal Democrat type and got out of his hometown as soon as possible and moved to Dallas and had some black roommates. But BLM is a mass social movement and really like a social wave. There were police firing tear gas at mass crowds here in the Dallas suburbs which were a bedrock of Reagan and then George W. Bush conservatism not too long ago. And most of the protesters were not black. We've been seeing an angry, white-right (but minority) reaction lately, but American reaction is often preemptive. They see the changes coming down the pipe and try to head it off at the pass or throw down a gauntlet (or whatever metaphor you like) but end up accelerating the changes they're trying to stop. But the civil rights movement really wasn't that long ago. Like I said, my dad remembers it. Story from my hometown. Mostly white neighborhood. More black families living there now. This white neighbor couple who have been friends with my parents for years -- and are the same age -- live across the street. Black family moves in next to them -- the family is led by a matriarch in her late 80s who was the hired help for a millionaire family for decades. She's retired now and the millionaire family bought the house as a gift for her years of dutiful service. Excellent cook. Friendliest old woman you'll ever meet. But for the white neighbors this event flipped on the racism switch. And I mean like this white couple embraced Nazi ideology in all but official name. Like, totally normal and then full-blown psycho racist shit. The black matriarch's grandkids are playing outside and the white neighbors would run out screaming. Yeah, so my parents cut off all contact with them and are friends with the black family now. Also my grandfather retired in a podunk town in deep, rural East Texas and then died. Dad inherited the house, which wasn't worth much, and he eventually sold it. This is an all-white community and very poor. Dad is down there working on the house one weekend and the neighbors come by and threaten to burn the house down if he rents it out to any black people. The thing is, it's a subtle threat. Like they hang out, drink a beer, it's very King of the Hill, and very friendly and at the end they're like "well, we just wanted to let you know that if you're thinking about renting the house out, well... around here... if you rent it out to any colored folks it'll catch fire the first night and the volunteer fire department won't be in any hurry to get here. Just wanted to let you know! Have a good one!" And then they wander off. Well, that's the Ku Klux Klan. Okay, maybe they don't wear robes anymore or have an official group, but that's the unofficial law. And that's not the 1960s that was just a few years ago. Those people are still there. But it's also in a dying, remote, podunk town. On the other side of the coin, in a nearby town that had a reputation for being a sundown town for ages, there was a BLM protest that brought out ~200 people, most of them white. When the call for the protest went out, black folks around there didn't believe it. Like, this must be a setup or a trap or something. But it was real. Here are the photos. To be honest, I found that kind of shocking.
Man, americans are fucking weird.
>>1003636 great story. you had a good father.
>>1002250 just general fashoid brainrot of the sort where jews are simultaneously the pathetic untermensch as well as the most powerful and greatest adversary. their russia/poland fetish is the same thing except inverted
>>1003636 based texas anon
>>999707 I use to just ignore it but now I either don't visit the places that are too far gone or actively fight their racism. I hate that so many boards are either just /pol/ or edgelords and it danger to my mental health having to deal with them. I'm pretty new to /leftypol/ and leftism in general but it's nice to have a place where I don't have to worry about defending my race.
>>1003780 i don't even find people talking about spics on 4chan particularly offensive it's more that literally every single FUCKING thread on that website, no matter what the board turns into shitflinging about uighurs and transhumanists idpol is some MKultra shit
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>>1003636 >But BLM is a mass social movement maybe in 2014, now it's just a way for black people of college to advance their careers
>>1003780 >edgelords It's edgy because if you say that shit publicly you lose friends (for good reason), so you say it anonymously on some shady image board
>>1003822 Damn you're so woke on being anti-woke. It's epic.
>>1003828 It's true though, blm has been completely co-opted by liberals and careerists, it had revolutionary potential, but that is long gone, blm isn't the black panthers reborn, and it never will be
>>1003831 How exactly has it been co-pted?
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>>1003831 There's a world of difference between BLM the movement, and BLM the company. BLM the movement has been on the streets protesting, setting up mutual aid and organizing people. BLM the company is a corporate slush fund that hires a few blue check marks on Twitter to wag their fingers at the former.
>>1003780 I got to ask and weird question. How often do the blackanons here get accused of being a commie on the sheer fact of their skin color? Because /pol/ and other reactionaries have met IRL seem to think communism is when other ethnic groups around you exist.
>>1003837 >That pic Context?
>>1003841 I don't know how to answer that because people assume you are liberal not commie while black in America.
>>1003835 pic related >>1003837 >BLM the movement has been on the streets protesting Yeah, for liberal virtual signaling. Their have been ZERO calls to end and/or reform the class system that creates racial inequality.
>>1003841 This >>1003850 People associate blacks with liberalism if anything despite plenty of civil rights leaders have leftist ideology. The Black community in America often seeks change and improvements within the systems that be instead of abolishing them. One example of this is grind culture that promotes constant hard efforts to obtain money and improve one's economic status while at the same time glorifying wealth, extravagance and capitalism in general.
>>1003889 Speaking of virtue signaling, that's exactly what those companies are doing. They are virtue signaling about BLM to make a profit. But what these companies are doing hasn't pacified the movement, changed their original goals, or given these companies any actual influence within the movement. So I don't see how this means the movement has been "co-opted". And they haven't been protesting for "liberal virtue signaling" they have been protesting for defunding/abolition of police. Weakening the police state should have our full support.
>>1003890 That’s the product of scrubbing civil rights figures into liberals though
>>1003899 I've been defending the movement, and even involved in some organizing in my area, I'm glad somebody else here actually gets it.
>>1003940 I would say a majority of posters agree with you, but retards post that stale take about recuperation/co-option so often people are bored of responding to it.
>>1003917 tweet the black panther/dprk poster to a liberal black activist for guaranteed lulz how they respond is the true test
>>1003483 >Very few people were around during the civil rights movement It was in the 60s, so it's not "very few people".
>>1003889 >porky tries to co-opt a symbol <ITS OVER GUISE THE MOVEMENT HAS BEEN INFILTRATED WE ARE DONE you cannot seriously try to push this line, right? porky is out of touch with the grassroots, just because he virtue signals doesn't mean he's in control of what is happening. he's trying his hardest to co-opt this shit and yet you ask most protesters what they think about capitalism and they'll tell you it's fucked. porky's trying and failing, don't get spooked by his attempts at recuperation
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>>999707 no because I'm not a cuck
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>>999928 This would make an EXCELLENT raid 1) pose as a half white mix (preferably with white mother) 2) post totally normal /pol/stuff, don't let them know they're being raided 3) mention in passing that your dad was a "uighur" or whatever other race and that you hate black people The demoralization would be fucking epic
>>1004238 What we should also do is talk about how posting BBC porn is bad because it strengthens "white solidarity". That will make some idiot spam BBC on /pol/, thinking it'll create more nazis
>>1004238 it won't make a good raid because most of /pol/ is already extremely aware of this fact and cope by muh nordic heritage instead
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Just leaving this here
>>1004253 Fuck Black Red Guard and their racist Maoist-Sakaist bullshit.
>>1003917 Yes it's part of their strategy to rewrite/reinterpret history to fit the modern US agenda. They demonize activists, assassinate them and their leaders, if the movement proves to be too successful then they re-frame the movement in order to avoid/minimize future dissent. MLK was seen as a dangerous trouble maker until Malcolm X. Then X became the black sheep that was scrub from the history books and MLK became a paragon of peace who would condemn riots in order make it look like the only action that can be taken to fight oppression is to peacefully protest. Any Black leftists that could make change in the US are quickly dealt with by the government leaving Blacks to assume that the only way to succeed is from within the system.
>>999787 Iirc there's literal members of Nkhrumist parties that shitpost here
>>999707 >our race literally not a thing
>>1000055 >Black Beauty stop voluntarily segregating blacks you radlib cringelord
>>1004246 If enough people do it at the same time, it'd make an excellent raid also if most raiders pretend to have a white mother and POC father it will cause supreme butthurt
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I've found that anti-blackness is the most prevalent form of prejudice in especially online communities but IRL too.
>>1006953 Anti-black irl in my experience is mostly anti-poor black, which is very common even among anti racist libs
>>1006953 >I've found that anti-blackness is the most prevalent form of prejudice in especially online communities but IRL too. Thank you. I feel bad about anti-jew sentiment online, but all this shit written about the alt-right and anti-jew stuff, when if we look on 4/pol/ it's probably at least 3:1 anti-black to anti-jew posts.
>>1007090 >>1006974 >Anti-black irl in my experience is mostly anti-poor black, which is very common even among anti racist libs Good point. Probably why the anti-black stuff doesn't bother the libs as much. Libs: >Well FBI crime statistics don't lie... >I don't cross the street for jews...
>>1006974 >which is very common even among anti racist libs It is shocking when you discover the hidden racism, isn't it? They believe it even as they tell themselves that it's wrong.
>>1007101 Is it wrong to cross the street for black people? I wouldn't fault women for crossing the street for men
>>1007183 t. Liberal
>>1007192 are you not liberal?
>>1001940 literally all whites are mixed race rapebabies. https://bunkerchan.xyz/edu/res/4912.html
>>999707 im black same here
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How is this thread still even up?
>>999707 why do you care about how white virgins see you they might act all up and uppity on the internet but on real life they are too scared to say anything to you
>>999707 Do you think we should only recognize some patterns and not others? Only the prejudices that don't hurt your feelings are valid?
>>999928 /pol/ is self-hating working class mutts /leftypol/ is self-hating college grad whites pottery
>>1019813 >heh you think im self hating? well you must be self hating too le projection has arrived
>>1001046 Curry-Burger, we mostly are the street shitters to people online.
>>999707 You gotta remember that a lot of these twats online talking about killing da joos or the “basketballs” as some jackass referred to black people somewhere, probably never even met a black person in their life. It’s an abstraction to them. If it freaks you out eeing people jerk off to the thought of folks lynching people who look like you, that’s valid, but remember that they’re bigger pussy soyboys than /leftypol/. Deep breaths, blackanon, from a curry-burger anon.
>>1019833 Now now, I know the USA is famous for the shit covering its streets but you really shouldn't be so hard on yourself seppo
>>1019833 >>1019857 Curry burger actually sounds pretty good. I wonder how you'd make it.
>>999787 it would help if half this board wasn’t borderline racist in how it treats black communists.
>>1019861 That does sound good. Just think of how well it would go with lager.
>>1019869 Like Sankara and Hampton and Newton? This board idolizes those guys. It just won't tollerate sakaiist third-worldist postcolonial bullshit.
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Some good posts in here
>>1019892 Except for when it involves Irish and Catalonian people.
>>1019905 >Irish Fighting actual colonial forces, not your "well akshually" definition >Catalonian Board kekked itself to death when the libtard pussied out and got arrested
>>1019913 British is actually more colonial than the United States? ok retard
>>1019931 Native Americans are black? ok gigaretard
>>1019934 what did I say that implies that? do you think imperialism is just when you take someone else’s land?
>>1019813 Please take that picture and circle with a red line the place where you see anything that indicates class and/or education
>>1019936 Who is talking about imperialism? Stop being a disingenuous faggot.
>>1019942 sounds like you’re projecting. I’ve been talking about imperialism ever since you replied to me.
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>>1019943 kys faggot
>>1019934 They are red
>>1000177 I have such mixed feelings about this position knowing a few black supremacists who use it.on one hand it absolutely btfos liberal we're all equal discourse and makes whitey uncomfortable on the other hand it assumes that exploitation can only happen from crackers and that a black slumlord is white on the inside or some shit. I think mainstream marxisms attempty to put a humanist bandaid on feminist and race issues is a huge failing of the left tho, there's something to say for everyone balkanizing and fucking off to their own self determined microstate. Mostly rambling trying to figure it out myself.
>>1020028 >there's something to say for everyone balkanizing and fucking off to their own self determined microstate There are plenty of things to say about it, none of them good.
>>1020090 Why? And please don't post some 1917 larp
>>1020028 All of that rhetoric would just vanish if people actually did the work to heal the past wounds and thoroughly understand other demographics (and I am certain there is some socially inept autist in here who will attack my position for phrasing it this way: "healing over the past"). All of the human species has this overall attitude of just "ignore it" or "forget about it" or "yah, that was bad.. I guess.." when it comes to atrocities committed and oppression done. Truly, this can be witnessed pretty much everywhere and there are only some exceptions. And the demographics who were targeted by said injustice are left to fight and implement that justice themselves most of the time. This again leaves a residue of resentment, because it leaves you thinking "Why weren't you fighting for me? Do you not care? You think what happened is okay?". Humanity needs to rise in its maturity in this regard. The problem is, while some people on both sides of an instance of this process actually are doing the work for healing, there is also pushback by ignorant people who therefore keep us from reaching the desired end goal. It's essentially something we all or at least the vast majority needs to be educated on and on board with, otherwise agitation by the ignorant will inadvertently lead to the re-opening of a sort of psychological wound that exists on a collective scale and causes counter-hostility. To say that we should just go with ethnostates or some shit is just lazy. It's a pathetic solution and essentially a capitulation. A surrendering to a flaw, that is fixable. Humanity would just continue to be stuck with its tribalistic shortcomings. You'd keep contact to a limit merely for this shortcoming not to express itself, but the problem is still there. I also don't see how Marxism, in its traditional sense, could have been argued to have helped in this regard anyway. As far as I understand Marxism on identity, it essentially tries to turn a blind eye to it. It pretends that human beings are just differently colored vessels waiting for material circumstances to shape them. Humans by and large are the product of their material circumstances, correct, and a worldview like that has been a humanist step up compared to the worldview of a colonialist/Nazi or whatever, but then again it ignores that identity does matter in our interactions. Human beings are a visual species and we draw associations and connections based on the identity of the person we are dealing with. That process can lead us to do bad or good and if we go about it the wrong way, we can stoke hostility based on said identity. This can't be ignored and you can't just tell people to shut up about it and you can't let socially inept incels push for Nazi-type ideologies as a solution to this problem, because these kinds of people are psychologically stunted and never have any solutions besides isolating themselves and hating everyone around them. What we must do is consider identity, but establish a proper way of dealing with it. This ideal is so easily reached if people just genuinely listen to each other and tried to genuinely understand what the other person is feeling. I have this theory that if we could relive our lives as people of different identities, hostility based on identity and past injustice would essentially vanish. My harm is your harm and vice versa. And as a side note. When I am talking about past injustice or past oppression (some of which is of course still present in some form) I am not talking about personal blame or personal guilt either. It's about recognizing damage done and taking on the responsibility to fix this issue, because ignoring it won't make it go away. It's like climate change. Do I own Exxon and am I responsible for gigantic amounts of carbon emissions that lead us closer to a climate catastrohpy? No. But I recognize it as a real problem and I, even if not personally responsible, need to take action in fixing this now existing problem. People - all of them - just want their pain to be understood and I am arguing that this is a type of problem that won't be solved by some calculated "facts over your feelings" pragmatism, but by raising the emotional and social intelligence of people and promoting empathy to elevate the species. This sounds very flower power-y, but when it comes to this problem I believe this to be true. Like as the most recent example, why would this person >>1000177 choose to write this, assuming they weren't just trolling? Obviously because of personal hurt based on their identity, now lashing out based on identity as well. Don't tell them to suck it up and to shut up. Engage with it. Heal it. And curb the hostility of other demographics who caused such hurt to arise to begin with.
>>1020273 Not reading because essay long but this is peak nu white kumbaya shit talking about healing when blacks are literally at war in the us is such peak lib fash shit
>>1020282 I'm not even white, but good to know you didn't read it.
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>>1020282 >long, elaborate considerations about historical oppression and race-relations and Marxism <lel whatever kill wh*tey gun-control no cracker control yes what a shame
>>1020313 Why did you post this ITT?
>>1020324 Just send racists to group therapy isn't a historical understanding of marxism you literal retard
>>1020342 Autism
>>1020273 Based beyond belief. If this was what intersectionality and idpol was about, I would be behind it. The problem is, the intersectionality lib shit is too essentialising and not based on class. The way it comes off to most white proles is just anti-white, and considering the class collaborationist nature of the project, understandibly so. I'm a Finn, and even I now have to listen to this shit from many lefties who think the conradiction between labour and capital is too "old school" and that "post-capitalism" will be brought about by nazi-esque mysticism and HR policies. Yes, I understand we did a very bad by joining the West (against of the wishes of the majority) and that refugees suffered a very bad by NATO wars that the Finnish bourgeois support (against the whishes of the majority). I understand that we need to build trust with the new comers who probably see us as Burger-lites and the native proles who are rightfully suspicious of this grand narrative of white colonizers of whose imperialisms we have benefited to such a degree we must now view even our own extremely based labour history as problematic. I do my best to understand other demographics and their situation, and when I explain it to the best of my ability to my fellow Fingolian proles they're mostly receptive. The problem comes when white prole - who might be receptive to at least the idea walking a mile in the other man's shoes - voices his concerns about why he is nonetheless suspicious of this political project and gets shut down. I believe that if we are to develop our own identity politics, it needs to be in direct opposition to critical theory and intersectionality. I think it must be subordinate to class, and it will in practice bear more resemblance to marrige counceling than struggle sessions. Yup, the white burger proles need to understand why black proles are a bit suspicious of them, but in order to take those steps there must be a mutual understanding that this shit won't come up eeevery fuckin' time there's a disagreement. I've lately been trying to learn some organizing skills by settling disputes in the warehouse I work at, and hilariously enough, the best ideas I've gotten has not come from old organizing manuals, but listening to relationship podcasts my ex used to push on me. Settling these kinds of scirmishes always comes down to some verison of "See you both want the same thing, but when you say this it makes her feel like this. And you didn't mean to do this, but when you did this, it made her feel like that" and so on. I've been toying around with a concept of setting up community councels between immigrants and native proles where I live, where people can voice their autistic fears and bond over mutually beneficial community projects, so that everyone isn't getting their idea of "the other" just by click bait news and fash propaganda. Unfortunately I'm too much of a recluse to set things in motion
>>1020273 >As far as I understand Marxism on identity, it essentially tries to turn a blind eye to it. It pretends that human beings are just differently colored vessels waiting for material circumstances to shape them. lol yes? are you some special black snowflake that material conditions have no power over you? are you some race essentialist or genetic determinist or something? seriously when you race fags start blabbering about your precious culture and shit, I just zone out. It's pure consumerism in the culture hypermarket. Fags that basically a product of modern american culture larping like le epic mongols and shit. Fucking idiocy.
>>1020751 >blah blah fags blah race essentialists blah blah blah I'm not listening blah blah Peace.
>>999707 We see your race for what it is and nothing more. Nobody is judging you on your skin color, but how your race collectively acts. Even the most hardcore racists know that there are exceptions to the stereotypes. We know we are generalizing. And generalizing is okay.
Nobody hates black people because of the color of their skin.
>>999787 I'm white with Chinese characteristics, in the sense that my grandmom is Asian
>>1037049 >>1037051 t. get's entire worldview from fake /pol/ infographics
>>1037049 >We know we are generalizing You're underestimating how retarded the average racist is, that's why it's dangerous to normalize racism.
>black anon posts >thread flooded with black fetishists This is why I'm starting to hate the left
I don't. I have been called a uighur multiple times irl and never given a shit. If a person holds racist views, that's their own problem. It just means that there's more black women for me.
>>1037381 (me) What makes me really disappointed however is when I see actual communists of any colour voice support for hoteps and black separatism. You shouldn't listen to a tiny racist minority who want an ethnostate, be they black or white.
>>1037381 >>1037400 I have an arabic friend. She told me that she doesn't so much mind the slurs. Like, to her people can call her a raghead all they want, whatever they're just dickheads and noone asked about their opinions. Where it gets unacceptable to her is when it's in the workplace, a place you can't leave, a place you must be in order to survive. Or when people in power over her use such words or show such sentiments. She says that while racism at the personal level sucks, it's not the kind of racism she's bothered about. It's when it gets systematic it's dangerous and she's really bothered that a lot of people conflate the two.
>>1037407 I just see open racists as having bad manners for the most part. Getting called a word 1 time doesn't really matter, people can treat you like shit in worse ways.
>>1037415 >>1037407 You two are ignoring the fact that if these people feel too comfortable with expressing those lesser forms of racism it can develop into something bigger. Plus what you are doing sounds like a pretended display of strength (I don‘t care). No one has the right to disrespect you in any context.
>>1037490 good post
>>1020491 literally me
>>1037490 I mean sure, racist attitudes can absolutely find their way into becoming systemic if they are allowed to grow organically - I wouldn't say that racist attitudes are not a problem - My take would be that when compared to racist attitudes back by actual power and violence, they are of little consequence to other people's lives. Like, as a white dude I am not worried about Hoteps because they are not a realistic threat to me in any way shape or form, even if they bully me or say nasty stuff to me over my skin-colour.
>>999787 >might be our only token we can use to show liberals how we're not nazbols imagine being this of a cuck
>>1037407 >stokelycarmichael.jpeg
>>1037490 >No one has the right to disrespect you in any context. Oh please. There are a lot of worse things that people could say to me other than just "u black". People are always going to assholes. >You two are ignoring the fact that if these people feel too comfortable with expressing those lesser forms of racism it can develop into something bigger. What are you going to do about it then? Arrest anybody who says something bad about someone else? Bullying in school/work for non-racist reasons can for example be worse than casual racism. Are you going to arrest every bully?
>>1020273 >>1020538 sorry but this shit is retarded. don't expect people to worship the very ground you walk on because you typed really long paragraphs. this isn't 4chan. anyway, I'm assuming both of you are white. neither of you are the first to think about "understanding" other cultures (as if you could ever understand someone who experienced a totally different lifestyle than you since birth) as this is literally what liberals are doing 24/7 by championing Black Panther shit and black culture with absolutely no personal connection. It's patronizing and just makes you look more suspicious and racist than you already are. you express doubts about Marxist "class first" politics but it seems that spending too much time on /leftypol/ around 14 year old white incels has you believing that being a "class-first materialist" means regurgitating right-wing "the past is in the past" rhetoric when that's not what it is at all. what being a materialist means is engaging in political ACTION that directly shows solidarity with the dispossessed in capitalism, and it's a FACT that black people have been the most dispossessed. this is how you're able to have black parties working with white gangsters and white supremacists (not that I condone this, I'm just saying why) in SPITE of their open racism, because this gives blacks an opening to just say "fuck it" and take advantage of the political resources that's been given to us. "understanding" is postmodern liberal bullshit. solidarity is what matters. I don't really care if you disagree with me now because you will learn the hard way whether you like it or not.
>>1037532 I wrote the first post. I‘m (half) black and I think you didn‘t understand me, because I didn‘t explicitly say it in my post. I believe class is the most important factor, which is why compared to all movements and revolutions communism takes precedence for me, because material realities are the most detrimental for our lives, circumstances and power that we possess. But I also believe that race, or other identity factors, are a separate problem next to class and that it couldn‘t be solved with communism. Capitalism had some influence to play on these issues based on race but in the end it’s another source of contention on its own. So I was laying down what I deem to be the solution for after a communist revolution.
>>1037548 my problem with liberal "understanding" praxis isn't that it isn't anti-capitalist, the whole thing is fundamentally flawed in its view of other cultures and races. I think championing a specific culture under the belief that you will "understand" is just as bad as just mocking the culture directly, because no matter what you do it's a shallow parody. it devalues it. my belief is that the only way you can truly relate to people on a level that resembles what you might call "understanding" (nobody can truly understand someone else) is by uncovering and recognizing each others struggles. I mean social and internal struggle in general, not just class struggle. which is why even under communism these sociological rules still apply. solidarity is how multicultural centers like trading posts and cities have been able to function cohesively for thousands of years. eventually suspicion and resentment just becomes superfluous when it becomes clear you and another person are working to each others benefit.
>>999944 fake ass and fake tits. disgusting
>>1037517 >stokelycarmichael I know nothing about Stokely Carmichael, though I've heard flattering things. Could you clue me in, anon?
>>1037523 >Oh please. There are a lot of worse things that people could say to me other than just "u black" People can do worse, so? Where‘s the logic in that post? If I call some woman a worthless whore at a social gathering would she be in the wrong for disliking that and wanting me to stop, because theoretically I could kill her instead? In school I had people call me a monkey and try to provoke me by saying the n word. I don‘t have to be okay with this just because „it could be worse“. >People are always going to assholes. Yeah and you can do something about it. What‘s with the submissive attitude? Just confront them and enforce your will. People treat you based on what you let them get away with. >What are you going to do about it then? Arrest anybody who says something bad about someone else? First of all you are being vague here on purpose. There is a difference between „saying something bad“ and attacking someone over their race. Second of all, in the country I live insulting people is against the law and you can go to court over this. There is nothing unreasonable about that. No one has the right to disrespect you. >Bullying in school/work for non-racist reasons can for example be worse than casual racism. Well yes, that‘s how you constructed your comparison, lol. What if it‘s bullying based on serious racism? Listen dude, there is a difference between pretending to not feel attacked when people try to get under your skin, which is fine, and actually believing it is fine for people to attack you. This passive fatalism certainly isn’t a good reason. You should be assertive and not let people mistreat you. That doesn‘t mean you make a fuss over miniscule things, but in the end you are the one teaching people what they can get away with. Honestly, live your life however you see fit, I‘m just saying I disagree with it.
>>1037598 I'm the guy with the arabic friend. I think maybe I worded the post poorly, excuse me, english is not my first language. My friend and I of course don't think you should just get to throw slurs at people in public or at social gatherings without any social consequence, what I was more saying is that while abuse will of course get her mad, racist sentiments as long as they exist "over there" is not something that she's concerned about. What scares her (and she is scared these days) is institutional and legal racism, and we believe that the twitter-crowd has a tendency to focus on each almost equally like they are equally a threat. I hear what you're saying, you can't demand from people that they just put up with being harrased and shit, but that was not quite what I was trying to say. I get why it may have come off like that.
>>1037588 >my problem with liberal "understanding" praxis isn't that it isn't anti-capitalist, the whole thing is fundamentally flawed in its view of other cultures and races. I think championing a specific culture under the belief that you will "understand" is just as bad as just mocking the culture directly, because no matter what you do it's a shallow parody. it devalues it. Okay. Maybe you said this as a side note, but in case you implied you believe that‘s what I‘m advocating for, then no not at all. > is by uncovering and recognizing each others struggles. I mean social and internal struggle in general, not just class struggle. which is why even under communism these sociological rules still apply. Yeah, I agree. That‘s what I was talking about. >eventually suspicion and resentment just becomes superfluous when it becomes clear you and another person are working to each others benefit. I think the problem here is that with pragmatically oriented solutions like that it becomes a criteria that people‘s interests must be aligned. On its own it‘s not a real solution. It hasn‘t fixed the core of the problem, it just redirects the focus on the benefit of cooperation.
>>1037608 Alright, I understand you more clearly now, it‘s cool.

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