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war in the Artsakh Anonymous 09/27/2020 (Sun) 10:14:04 No. 906343
The Azeri government just launched a coordinated strike, and the Armenians are mobilising.war comes. https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/
>>923959 >soon they will run out of tanks I was confused why the Azerbaijanis kept going even after (allegedly) losing almost 25% of their armour and air force within days. But if they're supplied by Turkey, they can keep going far longer than the opposing side. The attempted blitzkrieg of the first day didn't work, but they can win a war of attrition unless Russia intervenes. Still that's at least 100 million USD worth of losses per day on either side if those numbers are even remotely true. A huge amount even for a great power. >>923972 I doubt the manpower losses. But armour losses should be easier to verify.
>>923757 Literally dig a hole and cover it with leafs nigga
>>923871 >Literal meetings with Us ambassadors NOOOOOOO ITS NOT ASTROTURF I SWEAR
>>923920 Trot in general being Leninists have great understanding of stuff. Their problem is that they seem to not being able to stop screeching every fucking time about muh stalinism.
it is so heartbreaking to see more conflict in this region. last year turkey's most famous performer came to my country and it was the best concert I have attended in my life. people were going wild. it doesn't quite capture the electricity in the air at the time, but here's some footage. hope things can get back to normal in the region soon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_jomXhjUjI
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>>924028 >turkey is light years away from an actual possibilty of a socialist revolution I don't think we should make blanket statements such as this. Iirc Lenin said a very similar thing just before 1917 (something like "we won't see a socialist revolution in Russia in our lifetimes") and turned out to be wrong. Seeing how Turkey's economy is going to the shitter you shouldn't underestimate how rapidly the political climate can change. >the population is either indifferent to or even angry at communists The former is just due to a lack of knowledge, the latter is just those who gobbled up propaganda. >legal communist parties are reformists or being HDP's bitches (and losing the turkish worker vote) This is to be expected since they didn't choose illegality either. Reminds me of Horthy-era Hungary where the political battle was fought on two sides: legally, by the sucdems, and thus in a rather lukewarm manner, and illegally, by the communists, who remained principled but kept being jailed. In situations like these it's important to understand that how both can prove to be important for the cause, and socdems and communists proper actually merged into one party in 1945 Hungary, the libs (like Anna Kéthly) opposed the merger and were either expelled, later purged, or they left willingly... So my advice to you is to be aware that there was such a historical example of even lukewarm socdems having an important role and not (completely) backstabbing the communists, and to reevaluate whether which reformist party to join. It feels like shit to be in a party where you are in the radical minority, but having any kind of organization is very important for a collectivist, plus if you get finally rid of Erdogan, there's a high chance that these parties will openly radicalize. Finish your uni, comrade, get a job in a region where you won't get lynched for joining a left party, and just cope with the reality of having to share a party with trots or the like.
>>923988 to be fair with the state of most roaches on the internet it is understandable. >>924065 ewoks rise up
The statistic of Armenian casualties is going to be hugely inflated, Az is no doubt including civilians, volunteers and noncombatants
>>924062 >I was confused why the Azerbaijanis kept going even after (allegedly) losing almost 25% of their armour and air force within days. But if they're supplied by Turkey, they can keep going far longer than the opposing side. >The attempted blitzkrieg of the first day didn't work, but they can win a war of attrition unless Russia intervenes. My thoughts exactly. >I doubt the manpower losses Yeah, unless they are bombing villages and civilians which the Armenians somehow fail to report I find it unlikely. >armour losses should be easier to verify The category is "tanks & ACVs" - the former, if I'm not mistaken, is mostly used as an offensive weapon, so I don't see why Armenia would be heavily relying on them right now. Apart from taking back captured villages with infantry support there's no point for using tanks. So I expect it's mostly ACVs which are used for infantry transfer all the time.
I heard rumours on France24 that there are mecs on the grounds. Does anyone know if this is true and or have any more information?
>>924100 You mean mercenaries? Aljazeera reported Az/Turks paying poor ass Syrians to join by lying to them that they'l just be used to protect buildings and such and used them as cannon fodder instead. I also think this is one of the main reasons we don't see infantry footage from Az.
>>924104 Yea i heard too somewhere else that the turks was sending some of the same islamists the used to war-crime the kurds.
Ex-CIA analyst on why Arab armies seem to historically underperform: https://youtu.be/4VzdQuBUqJw?t=166 (starts at 02:47)
>>924062 >losing almost 25% of their armour and air force within days Because if the same thing is also happening to Armenia while they gain control of territory it is worth it. Let's say Russia and the US are in a war. You are a Russian general. You can preform an operation that will result in 1,000 M1Abrams being destroyed, but will also cost you 1,000 T-90s, however, in this operation you will gain control of a major city. The casualties are similar, but you will have control of a strategic area and your opponit will not. >I doubt the manpower losses. These days so long as thier are properly well trained medics it is very rare that a soldier dies from a bullet wound, or shrapnel, it will cause major injuries, but death is rare.
>>924324 >Ex-CIA analyst Is he saying the CIA's private or public position on the matter?
>>924383 >Let's say Russia and the US are in a war. You are a Russian general. You can preform an operation that will result in 1,000 M1Abrams being destroyed, but will also cost you 1,000 T-90s, however, in this operation you will gain control of a major city. The casualties are similar, but you will have control of a strategic area and your opponit will not. What is the objective? Of what use is this city? Who had more tanks and aircraft to begin with? Who owns the skies now? War is not numbers, McNamara.
In terms of the KIA count, I'm inclined to trust the Armenian count. This just in from France24: >Armenia has recorded 104 military deaths and 23 civilians killed. Azerbaijan's defence ministry said its forces have killed 2,300 Karabakh separatist troops and "destroyed 130 tanks, 200 artillery units, 25 anti-aircraft units, five ammunition depots, 50 anti-tank units, 55 military vehicles". Armenia claimed that Azerbaijan had lost 130 troops while another 200 were wounded. "Armenian armed forces destroyed 29 tanks and armoured vehicles," a defence ministry spokesman said. https://www.france24.com/en/20200930-armenia-and-azerbaijan-reject-calls-for-ceasefire-as-deaths-mount?ref=tw
>>924427 It's a pretty great materialist analysis I'd highly recommend. Yeah, he talks about burger interests in the region and nobody questions the legitimacy of these, but besides this a lot of things he says are universally applicable.
>>924472 Yeah, waaaay more realistic.
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>>924542 I wouldn't be surprised, honestly.
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>>924694 BREAKING NEWS: Azerbaijan claims Armenia has fired TCHOKON-DEZE precision tactical ballistic missles
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>>923871 >100% guaranteed replies.
>>924082 thanks for the advice,comrade
Would mercenaries even matter for both sides?they can mobilize far more troops and troops of their nationality soo..?
>>922231 philhellenes were people that supported the Greek war of independence, funded it, and fought in it, of which Byron was the most famous example
fuck azeri fuck armeni
>>924694 fucking hell that's quite the war going on there
>>924694 >>924712 At what? are they going to begin strategic bombings?
>>924324 Neither army is Arab and the whole "why arabs lose wars" is nonsense
>>925473 based cypriots
>>921552 >Mods should start giving light bans for dehumanizing Agree with that, but we aren't always in all the threads, especially with how fast a cyclical goes. Report posts that are doing this and we will have a higher chance of seeing them
>more Caucasus bloodshed Let me know when Putinoid Russia invades Chechnya again like it did in the 90's-2000's. It's on my bingo card of "potential hotspots"
>>925481 no, fuck off with that, this isn't reddit
>>921597 >>921552 >>921617 >>921711 Based and fucking Marxpilled. Get your shit together leftypol. Fight chauvanism, fight nationalism, and fight your post-modern ironic impulses. Ideas and actions have meaning. Own up to it. >>924046 I'm sorry turk comrade. I would say if there are ways that you can help advance class struggle and consciousness in your own life without directly exposing yourself as communist, you should take it i.e finding a based union, mutual aid, even entryism on the local level. I don't know. I hope you find an avenue.
>>925525 Newfag spotted. Comrades were reporting reactionaries in threads since 2016. Cry harder faggot
>>925525 everytime the /pol/acks get butthurt for being called out they cry their buzzwords and leftypol has nobody to blame but itself for cultivating these fags here nice going
>>925494 Not going to happen. Chechen separatist movement is dead aside from a handful of Al Qaeda guerrillas.
>>925553 >>925584 i've been on leftypol longer than either of you, my dear chapofugees. if i wanted to see people get banned for posting "problematic" memes, i'd go to r/communism.
>>921562 you're a special kind of stupid >Padraic Pearse wanted segregation because he supproted Irish independence >Basque nationalists want segregation because they want indepence
>>921878 >massive nation with millions of people could do it a century ago <so desert shithole with one or two million at most should do it when they literally only have less than 7% the army of their enemies
Leaders of Russia, USA and France are preparing a joint statement on Karabakh, the Kremlin said https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/en/2020/1-october-leaders-of-russia-usa-and-france-are-preparing
>>925612 Turkey is getting more and more isolated
>>922779 and you have trolls just supporting azeris to make a shitstorm of /pol/oid cope
Yeah for the record, Azerbaijan hilariously overinflates enemy casualties.
Uhhh so is someone getting genocided or not?
Erdogan: "The road to permanent peace in this region is through the withdrawal of Armenians from every inch of Azerbaijani land they occupy." https://caucasus.liveuamap.com/en/2020/1-october-erdogan-the-road-to-permanent-peace-in-this-region It seems Erdogan has made his own preemptive statement. has slightly genocidal undertones, no?
>>925621 no, just gigacope autism from both sides beating the drums of war
>>925626 Considering Artsakh is 98%+ Armenian, yes, it implies genocide.
>>925463 it's not but okay
>>923963 Me neither. Also who said that she's the most famous one? What is the source?
>>925721 not that anon but it is pure nonsense, the real question should be why armies largely trained by foreign advisors are so bad in actual combat. doesn't matter if they're Arab, South Vietnamese, Afghan, etc. rule of thumb is that non-Western dictators rely on outside forces to reform their military because of the reliance on and inexperience with military products of Western culture.
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>>922739 >/pol/ >loves Israel what
>>925737 all addressed in speech, but okay
>>925750 god emperor, indeed
>>925750 """"principled"""" /pol/fags do, it's le based ethnostate after all. just like some of them like north korea
>>925762 I dunno man, I frequent there to rile them up and, outside of /ptg/ they fucking hate trump and israel
>>925754 the dude in pre-WWII times would've been making video essays on why Chinese armies can't beat anyone or why Bolshevik forces were too shitty to conquer Poland or something. these things always change and to chalk up entire cultural generalizations when we're still clearly in a time of Western military dominance (largely through the implementation of new military technology). how do you think would the IDF do against Hezbollah in a short, localized fight? i can almost guarantee you that the Arab Hezbollah force would do quite well.
<Turkish President Erdogan on Nagorno-Karabakh conflict: >– US, Russia and France ignored the issue for 30 years >– Occupiers must leave so solution can be found >– Turkey to stand with Azerbaijan in its efforts to liberate occupied territories https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1311635521546969088 Welcome to Dugin's wild ride, enjoy your stay.
>>925750 /pol/ hates "Israel" i.e. an imaginary place where the Elders of Zion meet to sacrifice children to Moloch, take adrenochrome and discuss their next mixed-race family advertisement. As for REAL Israel... well, I wouldn't say that they "love" it per se, but they enthusiastically support every Western conservative politician who promises more gibs to Israel, never discuss the *actual* bad shit Israel does, only retarded conspiracy theories etc. That's basically tacit support. Sometimes not even tacit, like I had /pol/tards tell me that "orthodox israeli jews are based because they stay in their country and kill mudslimes, my problem is with the globalist liberal jews"
>>925777 Tbf there is a good theory that militaries that are mostly used to crush internal dissent (like junta forces or occupiers like the IDF) become really good at it, but become dogshite in actual fighting, even against a decently equipped guerilla force. Also people wank off Israeli acuity during the Mandatory Civil war and the first Arab-Israeli War, but that is mostly due to the fact they had a stream of vets coming from Europe that had fought on the eastern & Italian fronts, and a set of guerillas that had been conducting terror ops against the british for a decade or so. They just had more experience than the Arabs, nothing complicated. You see the Arabs actually start to get on equal terms with the Israelis as the wars get on, by the time of the Yom Kippur war it is an effective stalemate. But at the end of the day, experienced > equipment, the Vietnamese had been fighting occupiers for some 30-40 years by the time the yanks showed up, and despite fighting the best equipped nation on earth they dunked on them.
>>925832 The vice versa is probably also true, why the US military could take Baghdad in a few weeks. But lost to insurgent armies much smaller in size then their own.
>>925864 Yeah that was a point Chapo made on the same point to: that for all of its faults the US military is still actually kinda good at conventional war.
https://t.me/tass_agency/22101 >France has evidence, that Syrian Islamists from Turkey are taking part in fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh, proclaims Macron
>>925881 looks like russia, america, and france are going to cook the turkey
>>925881 so what happens now?
>>925946 It appears Macron and Putin are going to dunk on Turkey, could be a game changing moment in Eurasian geopolitics.
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>>925951 So we are slowing reforming the old teams? Imagine if Germany now backs Turkey
>>925946 Nothing
>>925972 Nah, it's more: Turkish expansionism is a threat to the Russian sphere (this is a story as old as the post mongol period), a French desire to get involved in the Lavant + large local Armenian diaspora, and a Turkey growing increasingly hostile with the EU as a whole.
>>925972 >>925972 This is my idea of the possible Alliances in a new global conflict: >Status Quo Entente: Saudi-Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Israel, France, Greece, Cyprus >Revolutionary Alliance: Turkey, Qatar, Libya, Muslim Brothers, Iran, Spain, Malta, (Italy?)
>>926017 >spain >Malta why.
>>926017 This is you brain on beduinism
>>926017 t. HoIV geopol brain
y dosen Azerbaijan jus sell teh State for 3 civ factories then invade and occupy it layter????
>>926024 >Spain, Malta Spain and Malta have been fucked over by the EU (France and Germany). Spain, concluded a bilateral trade agreement with Turkey on 27 July and trade talks are also underway with Italy. >>926029 >Honestly can't tell if retarded bait or Muslim brotherhood It is an 'anti-western', 'pan-islamist movement', involving Palestine, Jordan and rebels in Syria >>926045 >>926040 I am new to geopolitical conflicts, still learning
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>>926129 >'anti-western' Drop it.
>#BREAKING French President Macron says Europe's solidarity with member states Greece, Cyprus in stand-off with Turkey must be "non-negotiable" >#BREAKING Greek PM says recent Turkish 'provocation' can no longer be tolerated, referring to eastern Mediterranean tensions Well Lads Seems me and the other Yeurofags are going to war
>>926180 Is it possible we might see Turkey getting expelled from NATO in the near future?
>>926237 Lmao, no Turkey is arguably the most critical NATO member due to geography
>>926260 Not anymore, it was only useful because they could station nukes and aerial operations there that could hit the Soviet Centre. Now with the Baltics, and the british base in Cyprus, that is redundant; despite the fact that nuclear positioning is not really a feature of modern geopolitics. Turkey is more of a hamper on NATO, the reason it was useful is that it was isolationist under the Kemalist regime, however Erdogan is making it interventionist again and that inherently comes into conflict with atlanticism.
>>926180 A direct war seems unlikely, but it possible that the EU will try to isolate Turkey in the same way it does Russia.
>>925989 So is Germany not doing much because of its Turkish population? I thought Merkel's regime doesn't get along with Erdogan.
>>925946 Turkey lost a bet
>>926331 Germany has no ability to project power, so france takes the lead on this one. It (along with the Dutch) might protest, but if Macron is gonna back Greece and Cyprus, it is going to do so.
>>926129 >anti-western every country is pretty westernized by now, everyone wears blue jeans and smokes dope >>926237 Is that possible? I'm pretty sure an expulsion has to be unanimous. >>926358 >Germany has no ability to project power No they do, they just prefer not to.
>>926180 >Yeurofags are going to war No, Turkey is overextended already, Macron just called a bluff
>>926237 If this happens where doe Turkey go. They already burned their bridges with Russia. Alliance with China maybe? That to is unlikely due to Turkish support for wiggers.
>>926417 >No they do, they just prefer not to. Oh really, remind me, how many aircraft carriers does the Deutsche Marine have?
>>926445 They try to go it alone, maybe working opportunistically with partners when possible: like Iran does.
>>926482 how may does France have: 1 how many does Russia have: 1 (unoperable) how many does China have: 2 (both have incomplete air-wings) how many does Britain have: 2 (both have incomplete air-wings) Unless you are two oceans away from anything interesting you don't need carriers. >>926493 Iran is a firm member of the Russian camp.
>>926544 According to Wikipedia it has 10 frigates and 5 corvettes it has no cruisers, destroyers or landing/troop transport ships of any kind
>>926544 >Iran is a firm member of the Russian camp. Hardcore HoIVbrain. what, they are in their faction? Or do they just have a non aggression pact.
>>926544 1 is an infinitely bigger number, than 0.
>>926731 no it's one bigger
>>926732 You are a special kind of retard, aren't you.
>>926726 they are NAZBOL GANG
>>926746 1 - 0 = 1
>>926753 An immense fucking retard, get the fuck out of this thread if you are gonna fuck it up with your utterly imbecility.
Welcome to a new installment of DIGITS READ THE DIALECTIC: To recap: >Turkey is providing light support to AzerbaJannies on th ground, heavy on the air >Russia Us France preparing statement to tell Erdogan to cease his faggotry >Cyprus blocking sanctions to LuCHADshenko wanting in exchange sanctions on watermelon boss Tension seems rising,what next? (Post your trees with possible scenarios, also post how you did them)
>>926544 >>926726 >Iran is a firm member of the Russian camp. Actually, Iran is the leader of a different faction which is in non aggression pact with the Russian faction. They have similar interests in some cases where they send volunteers and lend lease to the same faction. Russia cannot call Iran to arms and vice versa.
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>>926544 There are no camps. Not even the US and Israel are in the same "camp". Business can't be personal.
>>926838 You are honestly retarded. What is NATO? What are NATO allies and enemies?
>>926846 >NATO is a solid entity Stop projecting, retard.
Why do people in this thread and almost every online community of any political ideology I've ever lurked in conceptualize all geopolitical issues and especially conflicts through the perspective of binary "alliances" with quasi-monolithic blocks standing in unity against each other? The only time in human history where this was the case was during the Cold War. There are no big "overarching alliances" between countries now that a global ideological divide no longer exists, only ever-evolving local national interests. Russia is not "allied" to Iran, for instance. They only had a converging interest in keeping Assad in power, even though their ultimate goals for doing so diverged considerably. Russia and Turkey might be opposed in Syria, Libya, and now sorta opposed in the Armenia/Azerbaijan war, but they still cooperate on economic issues, and Russia's intelligence services helped prevent the Gulenist coup attempt against Erdogan. Moreover, countries can oppose each other actively in one geopolitical issue while working together in another. TL;DR: The time of all-encompassing "alliances" is over, analyse world events through the lens of "strategic partnerships".
>>926874 This. I'm seeing many people say this period is like the buildup to WW1 but i see it more like the 1618-1714 one in Europe, a total clusterfuck that is to say.
>>926872 It is. One big imperialist union.
>>927160 NATO is an alliance of different countries which have their own interests. Even Warsaw Treaty was an alliance and not a union considering how Romania refused to visit Czechoslovakia back in 1968 and wasn't kicked out afterwards for such "disobedience".
>>926544 >how many does Russia have: 1 (unoperable) It's being upgraded, so the technical correct word is: Undergoing maintenance.
>>926838 I think Israel and the U.S. is personal, tho. Too much money invested to just let it go simply as 'business'.
>>927315 That's not so true, the U.S. has way much power over the nato than the USSR had in the warsaw pact. To begin with, the economical weight of the U.S. is higher. So, no, basically they operate under the U.S. authority. Some countries may wander, like Turkey, France or Germany, but that's because they are their own imperial entity.
>>926874 >analyse world events through the lens of "strategic partnerships". Horrible linguistic abomination, descended from ideological shortermism. We tally all political maneuverings, calculate net alliances. In absence of geo-political equilibrium, de facto faction arise. Block-formation is ongoing, Block solidification has not yet set in.
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>>927535 T-90s in Ankara when
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>>927535 ERDOGAN YOU ABSOLUTE FUCK, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS FAGGOT
>>927535 Uhhhh so will Russia intervene or what? This is insane, shit really heating up.
Holy shit
>>927572 Yeah they have a green light, Turkey is the aggressor in this war, meaning that they can't activate article 5 if Russia attacks them.
>>927535 Fucking don't believe it. Unreal, what's wrong with this piece of crap. Damn it, even the U.S. will push his poo-poo inside.
Are nasoynalists still coping?
>>927596 yeah probably fake, oh well posted too soon as usual.
>>927535 where's the sauce..? can't find on liveuamap
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>>927596 this isn't
>>927636 OH YEA
>>927535 BASED
>>927535 this is fake,cant find on earth
>>927636 >Fench, Russian and American coalition against Germany and Turkey ready the mustard gas
>>927596 >>927535 Fuck you, you ruined 5 minutes of my life making me feeling angry and sad.
>>927653 earth?what? sorry im drunk,i meant liveaumap hajahahahş
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Jesus fucking Christ it literally Novorussia all over again. Now with TURKEY. Oh boy.
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>>927654 >As coronavirus has ravaged through Europe, the natural geopolitical positions have come back to it's place. Truly, we are the virus.
turkanon here nothing in the news or liveuamap its fake
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>>927681 >liveumap. Isn't that banned in Turkey? Hmmmmmmmmm....
>>927693 bruh im the poster who said that,i use vpn now
>>927700 Ah ok.
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>>927535 THE DIALECTICS ARE IN MOTION THE DIALECTICS ARE IN MOTION THE DIALECTICS ARE IN MOTION THE DIALECTICS ARE IN MOTION THE DIALECTICS ARE IN MOTION THE DIALECTICS ARE IN MOTION THE DIALECTICS ARE IN MOTION
>>927693 nice feet
>>927535 fuck erodogan that hoe
>>927704 ffs hornyposting knows no bounds
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>>927535 QUIT THE SHITPOSTING, START THE ORGANIZING.
>>927672 hol up,is germany backing turkey/azeris now?
>>927741 Looks like it... ? >>927636
ne mutlu almanım diyene
>>927779 lmaoo afghanistan hahahahaha
>>927735 faggot twitter account logging over Donetsk think it's the ussr 2
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENS NEXT? (Also is there a good way to make flowcharts?)
did the azeris advance AT ALL?seems like armenia is holding them off for now
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>>927779 Fucking Afghanistan. Could've been a decent developed country if the communists won the civil war.
>>927802 From the lack of dark-blue flags, so it seems.
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>>927779 CSTO is a literal joke though >>927796 Tripartied partition of turkey
>>927867 How about: >We give the western part to greece. >We give the eastern part between Armenia and Kurdistan. >The center to kurdistan or Syria.
>>927867 Greece should annex Turkey
>>927867 Cursed >>927796 Maybe Assad will invade Hatay if things get funny enough.
>>927535 Update: It seems to be fake. No trace of it on Liveuamap.
>>927867 I don't see how anyone could possibly object to this arrangement.
>>927935 >Giving even one inch of land to the burgers
>>927867 low quality pol tier posting,stay on topic.
Videos of Azeri protests in Iran featuring chants of "Kurds, Armenians, Persians! You are our enemies!"
>>927867 low quality pol tier posting,stay on topic. >>927980 they dont say our enemies they say ''azerbeijan's enemies,just a slight correction.
>>927980 >Persians Lmao playing with fire there. Imagine publicly saying the majority population of your country are your enemies. Reminds me of how many people were in favor of deporting all Turks living in Germany who voted in favor of giving Erdogan dictatorial powers.
>>927480 You might have a point on the "linguistic abomination" part, as I tend to get overly verbose whilst inebriated. However, my perspective is the exact antipode of short-termism: The sheer multitude of variables involved in any geopolitical situation and their inherent dynamism makes it incredibly difficult for the emergence of clearly delineated coalitions presenting a single unified front on all domains of potential conflict of interest and all geographical spheres. Perhaps my allegation that the Cold War era was the only actual example of such an approximate form of opposite blocs was presumptuous, as there are other examples of similar international alignments between independent political entities (nation, or otherwise), such as during the Coalition Wars in Europe against revolutionary France and Napoleonic France, or during WW1. However, both of these examples shared the common trait of being extremely temporary and dependent on the resolution of a single international crisis which was of critical importance to all parties involved. The Coalition Wars, because they opposed two ideological blocs similarly to the Cold War, and WW1 (which I won't explain as it'd make my rant even more insufferably verbose). Regardless, unlike the Cold War, these "alliances" were very shortlived and collapsed once the crisis which led to their formation was concluded.
>>927980 >>927987 >>927996 They are also doing the grey wolf MHP salute
<Trump, Macro, Putin. Sign a multilateral agreement to condemn escalations and ask for talkings and negotiations to start.
>>928291 The US must send arms to the Free Azeri Army and liberate them from Iranian oppression.
>>928291 This is going to escalate isn't it?
>>928328 already has, apparently armenian S-300 air defense systems just shot down two azeri "missiles" near the capital of armenian proper
>>928291 You know, I thought Azeris separatists might've been trying to bring back the short lived azeri people's republic in Iran. I guess not, since they are doing the gray wolf salute and shit now.
>>928361 Hoping Irgc go down hard on them.
>>928530 >half of the population centres aren't randomly flooded Where is the real Shaytan?
>>928530 I love you anon
>>928530 >not having Transcaucasian SSR
>>928530 pretty based
>>928530 >hungro-slovak romania Explain
>>928707 I appreciate this map because the dumb armenians claimed lake van and Azerbaijan is still cucked by Iran
>>928291 >>927980 They really want to get deported, huh. Persians don't fucking play.
I don't see how Armenia can win if this war of attrition continues for too long. Only Russia can save them.
>>928822 That genuinely may happen if Iran starts getting more actively involved
>>928530 when you know jack shit about the region
>>928660 heres a division of turkey made by a turk ask anything you want about this map
>>929239 Seems perfect to me. Maybe give malatya to the kurds to have cleaner borders, but it really isn't important.
>>929239 Batman
>>929245 afaik malatya's population is mostly turks and assimilated kurds,HDP got like %1 of the votes there,thats why i didnt include them in kurdistan >>929262 based kurdish batman (only oil producing region in turkey btw)
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>>929221 MEGABASED
>>929276 > (only oil producing region in turkey btw) Turkey isn't going to cede that away lol
>>929310 well its a miniscule amount compared to what turkey cosnumes and this map is just a big fantasy anyway
>>929412 Fair enough
>>928328 >>928434 >war between armenia and adverbial >civil war in Iran >forighn intervention by turkey, Russia, and France And COVID-19 isn't even over yet, these wars will cause a breakdown in public health efforts, they always do, so you know what that means.
>>928530 >Abkhazia and South Ossetia are back under Georgia's control Come on now.
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>>928712 That's a nice Europe, but I think this one's even better.
anything major happen today?
>>930150 In every war most people die of hunger and disease
>>921719 They can go around and do whatever the fuck they want. The US needs Turkey for their Middle East support, The EU needs them to prevent more immigrants from flooding in, Russia needs them to prevent a oil pipeline from going from ME to Europe and China needs them for their Belt and Road project. Turkey can do whatever the fuck they want and nobody will utter a pip.
>>929239 Why doesn't Syria get Antakiya and Iskandarun region which is full of Alawite Arabs?
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>>931961 what about this?fake news?
>>932101 >4 days to get some shit villages in which no one actually lives. Verdun moment.
>🔘MN: The liberation of strategic heights is a clear example of the high fighting spirit and ability of the Azerbaijani Army >✔️APA reports that Defense Ministry spokesman Anar Eyvazov said this at a briefing today. Eyvazov said that our lands will be liberated from occupation: "Victory is with us!" https://t.me/isayevios/1552 Totalen krieg it is.
Been gone for a day, has the Azerbaijani/Armenian Communists responded yet?
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>>927980 Suicidal bootlickers. I would grant no mercy. I hope the Iranian government is at least consistent and massacres those vermin too.
>>932173 >Engaging in a mediation process tailored to favor them >Btfo
Azerbaijan already fucked everything up they were supposed to Blitzkreig and move the frontline instead they haven't moved shit and their only international cover is the watermelon salesman
Nuke Israel
>>932288 if you nuke Israel all the Israeli and Palestinian communists will be dead
>>932101 Azerbaijan is a tiny meme nation with limited money and ammunition their entire offensive is gonna stall when they run out of ammo and equipment and all their tanks start to break down which they probably already are running low on
>>932288 Dubs don't lie.
>>932101 Nah that's been confirmed, this is probably going to end up in an Afrin style collapse, sounds like the Armenian material losses and supply losses are starting to bite pretty deep Add in an anemic response internationally and Russia washing their hands of the incident, which makes sense for them, a collapse of the post-color revolution govt in Armenia is a win for them, means Armenia can't seriously win which is why they're talking about negotiations now. I'd bet on a Russian-Turkish brokered deal similar to Syria where NK is defacto under Azeri control but on paper is "patrolled" by peacekeepers and a "safe zone"
>>932457 This is nothing like Afrin, Afrin had been held by the Kurds for a few years, Artsakh has been de facto independent for nearly 3 decades. You don't even know what you are on about lamo
>>932270 >Blitzkrieg >the mountains ok retard
>>932299 >if you drop nukes in Hiroshima and Nagasaki all the American prisoners held there will be dead
>>932568 iirc prisoners were taken inland to work on supply lines
>>932556 >blitzkrieg ok retard
So the Armenians will get genocided AGAIN and the world will brush the bodies aside AGAIN because humanity is ruled by the worst among us.
>>932599 Armenians chimped out, played all of their cards wrong and only excuse they have left is muh genocide
>>932641 turkroach spotted
>>932599 i'm optimistic that the azerbaijan uighurs will get holocausted this time
>>932599 are they loosing though, they seen to only luck arms
>>932653 fucking hell how did you find out
>>932641 >Azerbaijan launched a surprise attack <"Armenia chimped out" my almonds are activated hard
>>931093 >Flanders lol
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Erdogan still pushing thru
>>932785 I really wonder if Russia will intervene. OFcourse dumbass armenians have been calling russians occupiers and being dipshits lately so yeah, talk about biting the hand that is feeding you.
>>932811 the fuck you even on about
>>932769 in the 90s retard
>>932811 Russia gave up Armenia to Turkey because of thier colour revolution, Armenians are going to die
>>932818 This.
>>932887 >some libs protesting wow it's fucking nothing
>>932840 Ah yes, they should have let the turanist wolves knot in them instead of checks notes beat them in a war that lasted 6 years. lol
>>932846 https://tass.com/world/1003273 Military partnership with Russia remains major factor for Armenia’s security — Pashinyan Back up lads, we got a HoIV player overhere. Armenia was kicked from the faction from switching from non-aligned to democratic, amirite?????
>>932887 MUH BOTH SIDES
>>932923 Russia wants Armenia to come back crawling back at them >muh hoİ4 typicall commie, looks down on anyone who disagrees with him
>>933078 Kek you are a HoIV player.
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>>933144 >h-h-hoİ4 I tought you guys were based when you spread kohlface to 4chan but now I realise you are just as insecure scizos as them also who the fuck enjoys posting on captcha boards this shit is stupid
>>933189 >>933189 >also who the fuck enjoys posting on captcha boards this shit is stupid We were getting raided by poltards, that's why we have captcha now
>>933189 >wwaaahhhh i'mm not a HoIV player, i just view geopolitics in ultrasimplistic terms and petty vendettas Cope harder wankstain.
>>933189 >I thought you were based Yes, but on this board we require people to fucking READ. If that is too hard for you, close out the tab
>>932846 >Russia gave up Armenia to Turkey because of their color revolution did this event change Armenian forighn policy, no, so Russia doesn't care
>>932599 you literally cant genocide anyone unless you are some mad african warlord in this era.stop fearmongering
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what does this even mean?
>>933720 Consequences will never be the same
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Azeri's released videos of them drone striking Armenians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IRCDEulxOY&feature=emb_title
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Things I see so far after wading through this thread >Azeris are drone striking >Turkey enabling it all while threatening ww3 if Armenia gets help >Armenia is getting pounded on ground >Only press statements, speculative reports for ceasefire or support for Armenia
they aren't even fighting the Armenian army for the most part they are fighting the Army of the Nagorno Karabakh republic
>>935084 I got it mixed up.
Seems Azeris might win. What happens then? Aremenians from Nagorno Karabakh escape?
>Map 1 >Territory of Azerbaijan occupied by Armenian forces Fuck off, Azerbaijan as an ethnicity is essentially Turkish and unlike the Armenians are new, they grabbed the land way back when and like typical greedy bastards get pissy that Armenia isn't rolling over and taking any more of it. >>921822 >Hurr Turkey is 'progressive' (liberal) so let's side with people who literally hired ISIS to help them fight a country 1/50th our size and with Israeli militant backup too! You're a fucking westernoid idiot. This is why we detest you; your understanding of leftism and conflict is so childish as to be genuinely harmful to others. >>935056 Armenia might be smaller and weaker, but they're certainly incurring high losses from the Azeris, every time they do this shit, they come off worse.
>>935327 >Aremenians from Nagorno Karabakh Those guys are crazy, they'll sooner raze their own land to the ground than give it to some two-bit Turk wannabes.
>>932846 >Color Revolution You have no idea what's going on in Armenia do you? the Russian Federation government has been leaving the Armenians to flounder from war, earthquakes and other calamities while selling out to Turkey and Azerbaijan. The past 3 decades have generated much ill-will.
Everything the global world order does is in order to encircle Iran and to shore off Israel , and the new war started in Azerbaijan in Nagorno Karabakh has no other purpose even though it is happening under different labels and reviving the Turkish / Armenian alignment and the religious war, and strengthening the Russian –Iranian ties. All this is intended of course that Israel sides with NATO Turkey in this setting and Azerbaijan against Iran . And suddenly we see Turkey in israel’s arms again after seeing it hosting the Palestinian summit trying to bring Palestinians together and after it got Iran’s support in Libya . All this is in order to create havoc and chaos and reserve a place for Israel everywhere in the region with and against .This is part of the normalization process no doubt and it involves the whole region and the target is the Axis of the Resistance . Nagorno Karabakh has separated from Azerbaijan in the nineties after the USSR collapsed and is populated by an Armenian majority , but has not been recognized by many countries, is still part of Azerbaijan according to UN. It is under the protection of Armenia . The conflict is being awoken for world order agendas: in order to create a different alignment that will bring israel to the doors of Iran
>>932101 >October 1st <1 hour ago Oh wow, after 5 days they took a village. Nice job faggots
Moscow is criticizing Turkey for sending hordes of terrorists from Syria to fight with Azerbaijan in the war against Nagorno Karabakh, and Moscow forgot the hordes of terrorists that Putin sent to Syria to fight the Syrian army and they are from Chechnya and Dagestan and they went to Syria through Turkey upon Saudi request . The Turkish-Russian partnership goes back to those days when they both collaborated to have terrorists reach Syria , and then they both came to fight terror in Syria . It is Russia that promoted Turkey in Syria.
>>936028 >Moscow forgot the hordes of terrorists that Putin sent to Syria Stop making shit up >Moscow criticizing Turkey Bitch where >The Turkish-Russian partnership goes back to those days when they both collaborated to have terrorists reach Syria , and then they both came to fight terror in Syria . It is Russia that promoted Turkey in Syria. Where the fuck did you get this info? >>927840 Turkish Minister of Foreign Intervention can go sit on a sharpened metal flag pole >>927535 >A blood bath never seen on god's earth Ehem excuse me? Perhaps Erdogan would like to be at Khatyn in Belorus.... or the Crusades... or the Crimean war, or the fucking other wars in which Russia basically beat the much larger Ottomans repeatedly. Russia's current complacent behaviour is downright disgusting as an ally of Armenia.... just like it has been since the USSR fell. If they failed to start anything over a Diplomat being murdered and the Su-24 shot down, then they won't start anything here, the faggots.
>>936266 Nice CIA sources, friend
>>936308 So the Russian security services agents they interviewed are CIA? Got any proofs of that claim?
>>936308 https://tass.com/politics/932573 >"It is no less important for us that, unfortunately, a large number of militants, who came from former Soviet republics and from Russia itself, have accumulated in Syria," Putin said. "According to our preliminary information, there are thousands of them, approximately nearly 4,000 Russians and about 5,000 nationals from republics of the former Soviet Union, according to the information of the General Staff’s GRU Main Intelligence Administration, FSB (Federal Security Service) and other our special services." And there it is straight from the horse's mouth (Putin's). Putin himself publicly admits that thousands of militants from Russia moved freely into Syria to fight with the Syrian opposition. But yeah, it's just a made-up CIA claim, lmao.
>>936502 *to fight alongside the Syrian opposition
soo...whos winning? i watched like 20 mins of azeri combat footage and in every video either a multi million dollar equipment gets destroyed or 5+ armenian personel dies,is this an indication of azeris winning?
>>936723 >soo...whos winning? The world powers and the enemies of both Armenians and Azeris. It's a conspiracy by the world powers as Ahmadinejad said. https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/1310290041160302593
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So it is happening lads RUSSIA IS GOING IN
>>936266 >How Russia allowed homegrown radicals to go and fight in Syria >Sources say. Yep, totally no shit made up.>>936502 >to fight alongside the Syrian opposition >>936502 >And there it is straight from the horse's mouth (Putin's). Putin himself publicly admits that thousands of militants from Russia moved freely into Syria to fight with the Syrian opposition. But yeah, it's just a made-up CIA claim, lmao. That's your opinion, the link you brought doesn't say that, you moron.
>>932811 >OFcourse dumbass armenians have been calling russians occupiers and being dipshits lately so yeah, talk about biting the hand that is feeding you. Is it too hard to find polls of people supporting Russia inside Armenia? Because your statement could be debunked in no time. Restrain to give opinions like facts, if you don't have links.
>>937316 >That's your opinion, the link you brought doesn't say that, you moron. <Putin's own words are "just your opinion" lol Bandar bin Sultan (Saudi prince and then director-general of Saudi GIS) paid a visit to Moscow in the beginning of the war on Syria (2013). https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-syria-crisis-russia-saudi/russias-putin-saudi-prince-bandar-discuss-syria-iran-kremlin-idUKBRE9B20Z820131203 Putinoid Russia sent thousands of terrorist thugs from Chechnya and Dagestan to Syria through Turkey that were bought from Putin by Saudi prince Bandar bin Sultan who paid Putin billions of dollars to carry on this deal.
>>936266 Could have linked CIA.gov and made sooner
>>936991 That's not what that says.
>>936266 > Chechen islamist separatists at war with Russia going to Syria to fight Assad =Russia deliberately sent Chechen islamist separatists to Syria to fight against Assad
>>936991 Russia won't do crap. Putin is too much of a cuck to actually do something against the global statu quo. Screencap this.
>>936991 So on one hand you have NATO Turkey (ally of Israel) supporting Azerbaijan and on the other you have Russia (also ally of Israel) supporting Armenia. Yeah, totally not a pointless capitalist war and conspiracy by world powers to bleed out the Azeri and Armenian people (just like Ahmadinejad said) and introduce Israel to the scene on Iran's northern border exactly as laid out here: >>936005
>Germany Speaks - by 21 Leading Members of Party and State http://der-fuehrer.org/bucher/english/Germany%20Speaks.pdf
>>937458 >you have Russia (also ally of Israel) citation needed >and introduce Israel to the scene on Iran's northern border let me guess, the elders of Zion are also planing on killing Shia babies
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Incredibly based interview with Monte Melkonian: The Armenian Struggle (1993) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W6mY4SCJwg >Melkonian was an Armenian nationalist and a revolutionary socialist. Throughout his life he sympathized with Marxism–Leninism. >Vorbach wrote in 1994 that his writings "expose him as an Armenian nationalist and a committed socialist of the Marxist-Leninist variety." According to his brother he "had not always been a communist, but he had never been an ex-communist." Melkonian hoped that the Soviet Union would "reform itself, democratize, and promote personal freedoms" and did not abandon hope in Soviet Armenia until the end of the Soviet era appeared inevitable. >Marsden adds that in the 1980s his ideology came into conflict with a growing nationalism: "With ever greater difficulty, he squeezed the Armenian question into the context of left-wing orthodoxy, believing for instance that Armenia's independence from the Soviet Union would be a terrible error." In the 1980s he advocated for the Soviet takeover of Turkey's formerly Armenian populated areas and its unification with Soviet Armenia. >Yet he likewise supported the idea that the "the most direct way... to attain the right to live in 'Western Armenia' is by participating in the revolutionary struggle in Turkey" and considered the option of Armenian self-determination within a revolutionary Turkish or Kurdish state.
>>937458 >NATO Turkey (ally of Israel) lol, no, they are not. Turkey has: Publicly announced that they will keep supporting Palestine despite UAE and Bahrein's support. They still don't recognize Israel as a state. Yes, Turkey is pushing the war helping Arzebajian, but they are not aligned with Israel, therefore, U.S. policies in the middle east. They are their own interest.
>>937458 >you have Russia (also ally of Israel) This is foolish, Russian support is from the Jewish tradition. Remember the higher % of Israelite ethnic groups came from Russia-USSR-Slavic ethnics groups. That's why they have a huge good relationship with the USSR and Russia. Only now when the majority group is direct descendants of Israel parents is when they could distance from Russia a little bit, but even so, there's 15% of Russians that born in Russian living there.
https://youtu.be/bSh5tm2Hmn0 how does armenia respond to this
>>939206 >Criticizing Putin is smearing Russia Maybe I don't like Russia as a capitalist oligarchy run by a capitalist president-for-life Putin (who also was part of the same Yeltsinite clique that broke up the USSR and sold off its state assets btw)? Maybe I prefer for Russians to rebel against capitalism and *gasp* re-establish the Soviet Union like, gee, idk, a Marxist-Leninist?
>>939393 However, and just maybe, you waste energy attacking from the left a country which is the least of the leftist's problems, rn.
>>924104 I honestly don't have much to comment on should you not do it. But if you do, ask the ransom in bitcoin Hello mister federal agent and weucome to /leftypol/.
>>922138 You're saying Debord supported actually existing socialism in the USSR and China? Since you are so well read, please provide citations. So this is the power of /leftypol/, just funny greentexts and reactaon pics.
>>939233 Also, let me be clear, they are nuts, but they are, to me, not the worst of the things happening in the U.S. To begin with, the ones who armed Turkey to the teeth were the U.S. So, guess who's the puppeteer in all of this is simple.
>>940759 *happening in the middle east.
>>942445 Imagine responding to a bot lol
>>939294 Why she looks like Azeri Cardi B?
Armenian-Spanish here (you ca ask me in spanish if you want) Here, one of my close familiars gone as a volunteer to the Karabakh and died not so long. Soldiers reported the fact that ISIS soldiers are raping Azerbaijan civilians and killing innocent civilians. Nope, PKK is not working with us. Im with the Armenian communist party (asking to stop th war and looking for a democractic solution)
>armenians are being CHAINED TO THEIR POSTS >roach HQ presents: this azeri film of their corpses chained in place >trust me bro! >they took their shoes off trying to escape the chains and everything! <people actually believe this How stupid are people? Obviously they would just shoot the chain.
>>947170 How are armenians in your region reacting to all this?
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The CNN turk has released footage proclaiming the PKK is fighting with the Armenians. But that isn't the Armenian flag, that is the Columbian FARC movement.
Armenia is apparently hitting Azeri air bases with ballistic missiles. It's already a general war though. Azerbaijan stuck Vardenis in Armenia proper a few days ago.
>>950046 Source? This is getting bad. Also i don't know why this thread was the only one not to get poltards in the discussione, seeing that most of this board is either indifferent on what side to pick or slightly pro Armenia.
>>947170 >Armenio-Español Eres Armenio-Español o Armenio-Latinoamericano? Igualmente, pasando de eso. Que se te haya muerto un familiar ahí debe haber sido una mierda. Como lo están pasando tus familiares que no abandonaron Armenia? Como son las noticias y demás, como está la gente común sufriendo la guerra. En cuanto a los soldados del ISIS violando ciudadanas azerbaijanas... Bueno, era de predecir. Al menos ahora sabemos que hay mercenarios sirios trabajando para Azerbaiyan y que esto de sunitas trabajando para chiitas al final iba a llevar a problemas. Esperemos que haya parte de población suní en Azerbaiyan y que estos se radicalizen para que entren en su propia guerra civil y dejen de tocar los cojones con su pan-turkismo.
It appears the Armenians are launching a lot of Arty at Azeri settlements. Might be an indication a counterattack is about to begin.
>>938163 >let me guess, the elders of Zion are also planing on killing Shia babies >he doesn't know Baku hosts major CIA and Mossad bases for spying on both Russia and Iran the commonly accepted route for an air strike on Iranian nuclear facilities would have to start in Azerbaijan, and the Azeris have said they're more than willing to provide air bases for such a strike
>>950674 looks like one of those ww1 craters kek
>>950681 Considering it was made by arty, yeah.
https://twitter.com/tcsavunma/status/1312727215398936577 The Turks (yes, the turks, not the azeris) are claiming that they have taken a major town in the south. Very strange since there has literally been no evidence of moving that far into the Karabakh before that.
>>950850 wait wait wait I thought the turks were just sending air support?
>>950852 Nah their ministry of defence is now proclaiming azerbaijani gains into areas DEEP into the Karabkah.
>>950857 If the Turks are this involved. The Kurds aren't far behind.
>>950850 no you dumbass tweet basically says according to reliable azeri sources azeris took Büyük Mercanlı, Maralyan and Şeybey villages and afterwards 'liberated' the (town/city?) of Cebrail
>>950863 That's what i said.
>>950857 ''Jabrail was made part of Dzhebrail Uyezd of the Russian Empire in 1868. According to the census held in 1897, the population of the Uyezd was 66,360, of which 49,189 were Azerbaijani Turks, 15,746 were Armenians, 398 - Kurds, 893 - Russians and other minorities.[3] Cəbrayıl itself, was a village with a population of 520, of which 228 were Armenians, 186 were Azerbaijanis, and 76 were Russians.[4] According to a Soviet census from 1926, the population rose to 75,371 with of which 71,725 were Azerbaijani Turks, 625 - Armenians, 1,089 - Russians, 520 - Persians.[5]. Azerbaijan captured it on 4th October,2020 during the Nagrono Karabakh Conflict of 2020."" this conflict is not as black and white as you think,leftypol
>>950886 I don't care if Armenian lone wolf christcucks did a serb monarchist style massacre. reminder that Armenia is partnered with anti-imperialists and socialists from dashnak to bolshevik
What happened to the caucasian oil fields? Are they still worth losing a war over?
>>953205 nazbol is a meme
"Nazbol is a meme" STFU. Real Nazbol leaders existed in Arabia and Africa who dedicated their lives to cause suffering against all whites and anti-ccp chinks.
>>953222 White scum
>>922215 >>922215 Please don't make me laugh. That was little than a propaganda tour organized primarily by the very people who bankrolled the Jihahis. It was meant to legitimize the Kurds in the eyes of the American public. There is no evidence for these silly LARP'ers taking any part in the fighting.
>>953272 Does not matter. Any conflict that is killing whites is good. Kurds,Azeris,Armenians,Greeks,Iranians and Turks are evil white devils.
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>>953272 >Please don't make me laugh. >There is no evidence for these silly LARP'ers taking any part in the fighting.
>>950850 How are the Turkish forces doing on average in battle? Like have they become more experienced due to Syria and fighting Kurds? Or do they get their asses handed to them by the Armenians?
>>953698 those are the turkey turks fren azeri turks are the ones fighting in armenia (atleast in the ground if armenian reports about turkish f16s are true) azeris really fucked up first 2-3 days but it seems like they are advancing deep into karabagh now
>>955460 what are they even fighting over exactly? the area between Nagorno-Karabakh and the Armenian border? also why isn't there any fighting in Nakhchivan?
>>955565 Naxchivan is not contested as of now.
>>955460 Yeah but didn't someone yesterday post news which confirmed Turkish ground forces involved as well?
Armenia doing a "tactical retreat" from lowlands. It's over.
>>955704 Lowlands suck, their best bet is in shit terrain
>>955708 True, but stated objective of the azerjannies of this war was to take the lowlands. You cannot tactically retreat from a strategic objective.
>>955720 of course you can (you pull out, and the coutnerattack to destroy the invader), but armenis are not doing it though
>>955460 >azeris really fucked up first 2-3 days but it seems like they are advancing deep into karabagh now Fuck. I suppose it was only a matter of time before the Armenian positions were totally degraded. At the very least if this conflict ends with Armenia handing over NK, it could embolden Turkey to go further on a different front and finally face a fatal overextension. I just can't see how Turkey can keep up military adventurism in the face of a collapsing economy.
>>955831 in EU4 that is what turkey does best.
>>955565 Nakhchivan AR is under the protection of Turkey. If Armenians cross the border it means direct Turkish intervention, possibly into Armenia proper. Also Nakchivan has a very large Azeri majority since the Soviet era.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/armenia/comments/j562nn/oct42020_wrapup_karabakh_war_war_crime_azerbaijan/ >Artsakh president thanked the soldiers for defending their homeland and gave a Hero title to five of them. One of them destroyed 15 tanks near Karakhanbeyli abandoned village in the south. Another one has shot 10 tanks near Talish, he is a Polytechnic student doing a Master's degree. "We will fight until the end," said the president. <he is a Polytechnic student doing a Master's degree wtf i love people of college now???
>>955831 Modern warfare is incredibly quick
>>956225 Yeah, especially the use of Drones speeds this shit up alot
>>956225 It wasn't that long of a game, MW2, sure.
>>955642 that guy confused turks with azeris aswell
>>955565 nagorno-karabakh is legally azeri territory but its almost %100 armenian on the other hand 30 years ago armenians expelled the entire azeri population (maybe %30-40 of total population of the area) so theres that
Any big shit going down today?
>>956456 just armenia crying while the azeris push them back. nothing new. hopefully Putin get these petulant children to stop whining and throwing hissy fit at eachother every few years.
>>956465 as a result of this war either the azeris or armenians are leaving Russia's sphere
>>956465 Why would Putin care about Azerbaijan, a Turkey stooge or Armenia, a color revolution regime?
>>956926 The best pick for Russia would probably be the Armenians though, right?
>>956933 yeah, unless the turk's are able to influence them more, as usual armeninia is getting abandoned
>>956933 No because the current government overthrew the pro-Russia one, and is pro-West.
>>956937 Damn that was kind of dumb of them
>>956933 Thought you said the azeris, my bad. Russia would prefer to have the Azeri's due to Baku oil, but western influence (mostly turkish and israeli) has been rising in Baku for a while. Also if both Baku and Tblsi are hostile to Russia, then Rrssia has no way to get to Armenia. >>956937 >>956941 This is a lie, Armenia's color revolution had no change to their forighn policy, or anything at all
can someone enlighten me on why does russia support armenia?isnt armenia a relatively irrelevant country while azerbeijan has better economy oil production etc? wouldnt azerbeijan be a better ally?
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HEATING THE FRONT OF NAGORNO KHARABKH https://danielmabsoutblog.wordpress.com/2020/10/05/heating-the-front-of-nagorno-kharabkh/ Iran is the target in Nagorno Karabach, and the whole issue is a set up . Armenia was set up by Russia into invading Azerbaijan in the early nineties under the pretext of protecting the Armenian community that form the majority of Karabach . The small country called Armenia would not have ventured alone into occupying Azerbaijan , it is Russia that made this possible, and the goal is to create instability on the borders of Iran and also to have access to Armenia . This is an extremely sensitive issue similar to the Kashmiri issue whereby we are faced with a dilemma where a country or a state is ruling over a community that is considered a minority but form the majority of a certain area within the state ,. The separation of Pakistan from India has no other origin. And so is the separation of Karabach from Azerbaijan . From the beginning, after the Iranian Revolution , Russia was mobilized in order to prevent Iran from striking alliances with neighboring country Azerbaijan that is a Muslim country, and from having Iran extend its influence to other Muslim countries that were part of the previous USSR , and have these countries follow the Iranian model . The western world had this fear, and from the beginning efforts were exerted to set Azerbaijan against its well wishing neighbor Iran, and Russia was in charge of this . Efforts were exerted also to subvert Azerbaijan, and turn it into something else, and draw it far from Iran and close to israel and Turkey while Iran was drawn to support Azerbaijan’s enemy ie Armenia . What we are witnessing right now is another chapter of this alignment in reheating the Azerbaijan -Armenian front and creating instability on the borders of Iran in order to encircle Iran from all sides and bring israel to the Azerbaijani arena . After Russia, it is Turkey that is the stirring factor in all this while Russia is trying to remain neutral. Empowering the enemies of Iran is the goal, and having Armenia the ally of Iran defeated and surrendering, and coming out with a compromise and a cease fire and maybe the presence of multinational forces on the borders with Iran and if not the militarization of the whole area . This issue is just another timed bomb in the hands of the global world order , and NATO Turkey is the Lackey endowed with the mission to destabilize the region after destabilizing Syria, Libya and Iraq.
>>958596 I knew it was something like this. They worked hard to prevent Iran's revolution from reaching neighbouring countries, and now they plan to encircle Iran even further.
>>956465 >Armenia crying Keep projecting cockroach
>>958596 Basically a nice opportunity to get the World Order police stationed there on the borders. https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/10/05/2363221/iran-draws-up-plan-to-settle-nagorno-karabakh-conflict >“Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson said Tehran has prepared a plan to convince the Republic of Azerbaijan and Armenia to stop the armed clashes over the Nagorno-Karabakh region and hold negotiations. ... >Khatibzadeh also stressed that Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity should be respected and the occupied territories should be evacuated following a flare-up of tensions in the disputed region.” Others are also using this as a Muslim against Christians, exploiting it and using it to make Muslim seem like terrorist invaders - and the time is ripe No matter what Russia and Turkey are doing there, they will soon be put to shame as usual InshaAllah.
>>950860 YPG should legit renew the old alliance the PKK had with the Armenian-SSR and send support.
>>958596 >uncited blogpost that claims everyone but Iran is some horrible monster t shia version of Alex Jones
>>958771 How powerful is the PKK nowadays? If they started using IEDs to blow up Turkish armored veichals then any Turkish offensive would stall.
>>958794 What does the post say that's incorrect then? Can you point out anything that's false in that post?
>>958799 PKK is VERY silent at least inside Turkey nowadays,i heard that they've been almost wiped out but idk if thats true
>>958771 this is a somewhat fantastical and even idealist way of thinking.'le epic kurdish rebels ally with the wholesome 100 armenians to push out wholesome 0 azeris!!' armenia is literally a state that can mobilize its population,can buy weapons etc they dont need help of rebel groups
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azeris are going full reconquista on karabakh
>>958794 >shia version of Alex Jones I'd love to see someone like this
>>959929 THE SAUDIS ARE TURNING THE FRICKIN GAZA STRIP JEWISH! UGH UGH UGH UGH CRAP!
SAUDI ARABIA IS ON OUR SIDE As Greece and EU lags, Saudi Arabia announces embargo on all Turkish products https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/09/28/as-greece-and-eu-lags-saudi-arabia-announces-embargo-on-all-turkish-products/ BASADO
>>960199 Saudi Arabia is such a cursed country
>>956236 what makes drones different than normal planes in this aspect?
>>960247 They're cheap, need less training, need less resources for the same effectiveness.
>>960259 Also disposable so not as much of an issue for combat losses, and a much smaller target.
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>>960343 Turkey has united Iran and Saudi Arabia.
>>960343 Why did so many Arab porky states support South Yemen?
>>960377 Middle East has constant jockeying for influence in the region.
>>960393 socialist governments are easier to deal with as neighbours than tribal clusterfucks
>>959929 so Alex Jones in 10 years
>>960377 iran isnt on anyone's side though,their fm talked with turkish,azeri and russian fms but not armenian one
>>960675 Imagine if this actually ends up happening, that would be fucking hilarious
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NAGORNO KARABAKH : RUSSIA, TURKEY , ISRAEL WITH IRAN FOR TARGET https://danielmabsoutblog.wordpress.com/2020/10/06/nagorno-karabakh-russia-turkey-israel-with-iran-for-target/ While Turkey is being exposed for causing destabilization everywhere , and lately in Nagorno Karabach , Russia is still able to hide its partnership with Turkey and appear as objective and neutral not only regarding Nagorno Karabakh but also regarding several issues . The truth is that this togetherness between NATO Turkey and Russia has been going on since the war started in Syria and never stopped . It started by Russia sending hordes of terrorist thugs to Syria through Turkey upon Saudi request . This is how thousands of terrorists crossed to Syria via Turkey . Once in Syria, Russia succeeded in giving NATO Turkey serious concessions and various rights on the Syrian soil : the right to invade and occupy certain areas in Syria which Turkey did , the right to displace people , the right to fight” terrorists” in Syria which are the Kurds , the right to a buffer zone on Syrian territories , the right to use the Syrian air space if necessary , the right to relocate terrorist thugs and transfer them from place to place , and other rights also that Russia granted to Turkey . Not to forget the terrorist factions Turkey sponsors brought by Russia to the negotiation table to figure as a legal opposition and negotiate on this ground. Russia was not neutral regarding israel also . It brought israel to Syria, and allowed israel to strike the Resistance in Syria, and coordinated these airstrikes with the israelis themselves, and it refused to allow Syria to use the S-300 missiles to ward off these attacks and protect itself . It is enough what Russia did in 2013 by dispossessing Syria of its chemical strategic arsenal that was meant to check israel and keep it under control . This was the greatest service ever rendered to israel which is to deprive Syria from such a weapon . In Nagorno Karabakh, the global world order has started a new war where Russia wants to figure as neutral while Russia’s close relations with Azerbaijan , Turkey and israel which are the three constituents of this war are evident and cannot be hidden . All this while Russia is trying to distance itself from Armenia which it had set up in the Karabakh issue as early as 1992 . Time will show that this war started by the global world order and carried on by Azerbaijan, israel and Turkey is not only meant to expose Armenia, but is meant to target Iran and time will show what role Russia has been playing in all this . The truth is that there is no difference between the so called Neutral Russia and Involved Turkey . Both are world order mafia states employed by the same master for the same purpose of serving israel’s interests in the region.
>>958837 Putin isn't part of a conspiracy to build Israeli military bases on Iran's boarder. >>960393 Because South Yemen is Sunni. North Yemen is Shia. Same reason why Saudi Arabia is involved in modern day Yemen. >>961446 Why would Russia try to destabilize one of their trading partners?
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https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/10/06/2364004/leader-s-adviser-armenia-should-leave-occupied-azeri-lands "Ali Akbar Velayati, an international adviser to the Leader of the Islamic Revolution, called on Armenia to withdraw its forces from the regions it has occupied in the Republic of Azerbaijan, but emphasized that such a process should take place politically, not militarily. In an interview with Iranian daily Kayhan, Velayati commented on the latest flare-up of armed clashes between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region. Pointing to the Armenian occupation of seven cities and the four UN resolutions calling for the withdrawal of Armenians from the occupied Azeri territories and their return to the internationally accepted boundaries, Velayati said all UN Member States must obey the resolutions. “We call on Armenia to return those occupied parts to the Republic of Azerbaijan. More than one million Azeris have been displaced after the occupation of those areas and must return home soon,” he added. The Leader’s adviser underlined that Iran takes the same stance on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict that it has adopted on the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories. Velayati made it clear that the dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan has no military solution whatsoever, and must be resolved politically. Iran is opposed to any military action from any side, because people would be the only loser in the war, Velayati stated. Deploring the recent attacks on residential areas amid the Nagorno-Karabakh war, the former Iranian foreign minister said this war runs counter to the interests of people of the two countries and to regional security. Velayati further deplored the foreign parties, such as Israel and Turkey, for fanning the flames of war, adding, “Why is Turkey insisting on the continuation of war? This country (Turkey) must help end the war if it can do so, provided that the occupied cities of the Republic of Azerbaijan be liberated definitely.” He also said that the illegitimate Zionist regime which is founded upon the occupation of Palestine has no right to comment on the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute. Azerbaijan and Armenia have exchanged heavy rocket and artillery fire, with each side accusing the other of targeting civilian areas as the fighting over the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh intensified. Dozens of soldiers and civilians have been killed in both countries in the new round of fighting."
>>922909 Russia can't even sort out Erdogan in Syria ( helped position Erdogan in Syria), so I don't know what makes people think that Russia is going to sort out Turkey regarding Azerbaijan.
>>960737 That statement is contradictory in itself, and ignores the Azeri planes maneuvering over Iranian airspace.
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>>932568 >Massacring 250,000+ civilians in a nuclear fire was ok https://gowans.blog/2020/03/07/the-us-ways-of-waging-war-then-and-now/
THERE SHALL BE NO MORE AZERBAIJAN OIL Armenia is now targetting the azerbaijan oil pipelines.
>>964063 >NOOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN BLACK GOLDERINO
Armenia is launching a counteroffensive agains azerbaijan and have captured some positions. In north karabakh
>>963229 >empathy >with imperial Japan Fuck off liberal. They didn't even want to give up.
>>964084 >more than 100 vehicles all lined up >a single trail of smoke yeah man they def. destroyed that column lmao
>>964243 Where the fuck is there artillery and air cover. You can't move convoys like this anymore with all of the ATGMs, RPGs and other anti vehicle weapons that are common at this point.
>>964257 they have large amounts of both along with Turkish support, the issue is that ATGM positions are hard as fuck to pinpoint. even if you blow up a few there's still more in waiting, and all it usually takes is a few solid hits to spook a convoy into stopping. it could be why most of the Azeri footage is explodan easily spotted vehicles and gun crews, they're not really doing much else.
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>>964078 >counteroffensive meaning more armenians will get mowed down in human wave assaults. Armenia is just stalling until russia or burgerstan makes azerbaijan to stop throwing a hissy fit.
>>964063 BASED ARMENIANS HOPING THEY CRUSH THAT PIPELINE. ESCALATE
>>964455 What will porky do if Armenia starts seriously starts ratfucking Azeri oil?
>>964484 probably start with "armenians oppressing le innocent azeris in karabakh" and probably intervene on Azerbaijan's side if necessary.
>>964063 based Armenian econationalism
>>964086 Japan was already surrendering, because their Pacific empire was already btfo and because Stalin's Soviet Union entered the war against Japan in the Pacific region (China [Manchukuo puppet state], Korea, Sakhalin Islands etc). Those civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki had nothing to do with the war. >>964372 >massacring civilians to test out shiny new atomic weapons (using humans as guinea pigs) and send a message to the Soviets is fine read a fucking book https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZd7Hr3MBmg
>>964372 2nd pick is Chinese troops.
>>965925 In fact the Japanese high command was holding the meeting where they agreed to pursue surrender to the US before the first bomb dropped; they only learned of the bombing once they actually left the meeting where they made the decision.
>Poland ships military equipment to Azerbaijan in transit through Turkey and Ukraine After the failed attempt to undermine the situation in Belarus, the Poles have decided to join Ukraine and add fuel to the fire of war in Transcaucasia, thereby continuing to make a mess for Russia. On October 5, 14 infantry fighting vehicles were delivered by MAN trucks from Poland to the port of Olvia in the city of Nikolayev, Ukraine. The arms are supplied by the Polish Wtorplast S.A. company and the Ukrainian Ukrspetsexport State Enterprise. So as not to attract too much attention, the equipment was registered as parts for armoured vehicles. From Nikolayev, the IFVs will be shipped to Turkey and then to Azerbaijan. BoTh SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE
4 thousand Syrians are fighting in Nagorno Karabach and 90 have been already killed in the battles, and Turkey is intent on transferring more terrorist thugs to the area, while Iran warns about terrorists being brought to its borders that will push it to act. Who would have ever thought that the Syrian people will become one day cheap mercenaries working under the orders of Erdogan. The Turkish war criminal has been so much accommodated in Syria by master Putin and so much pacified by the Syrian rule and by Iran that he has been empowered to to attack and invade other countries using Syrian thugs. The Iranians are being well rewarded for their complacency, and this war launched on their borders tells nothing good, while Armenia still bets on mischievous Putin to save it from this quagmire . Of course, Putin will not lift his little finger for his so called allies and he is partner of Erdogan in all this.
>>967173 >Iran warns about terrorists being brought to its borders that will push it to act. No they won't, Iran is a paper tiger, when the US killed their top general all they did was shoot down a passenger jet.
>>967173 I'll believe the schizo "it's all about Iran!" BS when they actually get involved.
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>>967261 >Iran is a paper tiger, when the US killed their top general all they did was shoot down a passenger jet Iran retaliated and lead and put the US in its right place. The Ain al Assad US base in al Anbar Iraq that is one of the biggest US bases in the region and that hosts thousands of US soldiers was hit on January 8, 2020 by 17 Iranian Ballistic missiles , none of them was intercepted that damaged the logistic center and one of the airports and killed and injured number of soldiers -80 say Iranian sources and 200 injured -. while the US keeps silent regarding the losses and said that this has not been sorted out yet . 5 other Ballistic missiles reached the US military base in Irbil .The US did not operate its defenses which makes experts believe that the Iranians have succeeded in rendering the defenses ineffective by their cyber war which is why the US did not operate these defenses . It is the first time since WWII that a US military base is targeted in this way not to forget that the ‘Ain al Assad base is the safest that the US chose for its soldiers in Iraq , and it is a big base that has a pavilion reserved to Iraqi soldiers that was spared, and it has underground shelters and a shopping center and apartment buildings and more than one airport that can host big size jet fighters, it is a city by itself , and Trump visited it a year ago or so . Iran said that this is the first part of the retaliation and there will be other retaliations subsequently and the goal is to oust US from Iraq . No one protects Iran, neither China nor Russia and no one dares to confront US in this matter . , It is Iran that is confronting US alone and targeting USA and bombing its air bases and shooting down its drones and threatening it despite the fact that it is under siege and under sanctions .
>>967345 >Iran retaliated against a passenger plane >and lead when over 50 people died from trampling in Soleimani's funeral, real leadership >The Ain al Assad US base in al Anbar Iraq that is one of the biggest US bases in the region and that hosts thousands of US soldiers was hit on January 8, 2020 by 17 Iranian Ballistic missiles , none of them was intercepted that damaged the logistic center and one of the airports and killed and injured number of soldiers But no US forces died. And the US has the money to rebuild the facility. This accomplished nothing. >that the ‘Ain al Assad base is the safest that the US chose for its soldiers in Iraq Becuase they know that if the base is attacked the soldiers will be fine. >Iran said that this is the first part of the retaliation and there will be other retaliations subsequently and the goal is to oust US from Iraq . It's been nine months and their has been no other retaliations.
>>967345 >neither China nor Russia and no one dares to confront US in this matter no, but they do not dare to confront their own passenger jets
>>967460 You actually believe not a single one of those 110+ US soldiers who were reported by US media as having "traumatic brain injury" died? Lol, you really are a gullible retard.
>>966681 The decision they made? Surrender under no circumstances. The Military command of Japan probably would have simply couped or just ignored the conditional surrender hirohito wanted. Cope harder fascist.
>>967722 >Cope harder fascist. Who's the one trying to justify the nuclear mass murder of civilians? Look in the mirror if you want to find the fascist.
>>967745 We are posadist board fella, stay in line or get fucked
>>965925 >>966681 >>967722 "The bombs were dropped, not to intimidate the Japanese, but to put the fear of the American God into the Russians. The dropping of the A-bomb, it has been said, was not the last shot of World War II, but the first shot of the Cold War." --William Blum, Rogue State
>>967670 if a bunch of us soldiers died it would have been leaked, or used as neocons as a casis beli for a war.
>>967745 still objectively better than the alternatives which were a full infantry invasion, or even more fire bombings, both of which would've led to more deaths, but you're too retarded to know any better.
>the alternatives which were a full infantry invasion, or even more fire bombings, both of which would've led to more deaths Japan was already surrendering. And it was because Stalin's USSR entered the Pacific Front. Japan already knew it was over once the Soviets came into play.
>>967173 For all we know it's maybe putin that's sending those thugs, we all know how well putin does with thugs and even has own Russian mercenaries that he can gather through a middle man and pay like he did in Syria. I say this because I find it a bit strange that Turkey admits to sending these to Syria and Libya but are denying sending to Karabakh
>>967173 Using Pakistan and Iraq wasn't enough, now they are using Armenia. This is another headache for Iran.
>>967812 >if a bunch of physicists and engineers across the whole usa were building a nuclear weapon (manhattan project) it would have been leaked t. smug "conspiracy debunker" in 1944, colorized
>>967173 Very pacified by the Syria rule all he does is now and then complains about erdogan on interviews but meanwhile he allows putin to give erdogan a foot in Syria. Syria itself should be investigated for allowing those thugs to be transported in the thousands over to Libya and where else as it says
>>968295 >Syria itself should be investigated for allowing those thugs to be transported Syria does not have control over its northwest areas. There is no way they can stop these transfers until they take over those areas.
>>968110 >Top Iranian militer leader killed >US soldiers get booboos I wonder who won the confortation?
Ukrainian General Staff approves arms supplies to Azerbaijan Despite the assurances given by Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky and Interior Minister Avakov concerning Ukraine's neutral position on the Karabakh conflict, the Ukrainian General Staff has approved the supplies of weapons to the Azerbaijani troops. In particular, this is about a batch of Stugna-P anti-tank missile systems, Spokesman for the DPR People's Militia Eduard Basurin reports. ‼️The DPR intelligence data evidence that, along with weapons, Kiev intends to dispatch a group of instructors to Baku to train the Azerbaijani soldiers in the engagement of the supplied complexes. Basurin specified that the first delivery batch will consist of 54 systems and 324 missiles. The arms will be disguised as a humanitarian cargo and delivered to Azerbaijan in the near future by military transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force. BoTh SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE
>>968295 You have to be either completely clueless or entirely ignorant if you think these "Syrians" have any association with the Syrian government. It's 100% Erdogan.
https://www.reddit.com/r/armenia/comments/j7ibmy/letter_from_a_soldier_on_the_frontlines_to_his/ >Hello, Mom. It’s the first time in 10 days that I’ve had time to think, the first time in 10 days that there is a pause. Until this moment, there just was never enough time to think, and now 45 minutes are gone just spent on thinking on how not to cause you any pain, how to boost your morale, and in the end, I decided to just be frank. >We have no shortage of morale. Here, we are all lions. On the dawn of the second day, we had already defeated death. Now, nobody here dies. You just wake up and they are no longer by your side. >We do not use the word “death” or “martyred” to describe it, we simply say “he went home”. There is no death after the dawn of the second day. <... >In the beginning you are afraid, and then the fear disappears and disappears fast, and then you see your friend interconnected in his lifeblood. Your soul leaves your body at the sight of it for 5 minutes, and then returns. >After that is bitterness, and after that salty tears. Not tears from fear or weakness, but from our love for our friends. >After that is fury, and we begin to kill left and right, in the hundreds, in the most cruel possible ways, and in the moment we even feel pleasure doing so. <... >Yesterday, standing peacefully like our mountains, I was watching the screaming enemy, whose burnt body was hanging off his tank. I didn’t lift a finger to do a thing. Nor did I save him, nor did I kill him. I just waited until the end, until he turned to ash. probably Armenian propaganda, but it still falls well within the realm of reality. have you called your mom today, /leftypol/?
>>967722 >The Military command of Japan probably would have simply couped or just ignored the conditional surrender hirohito wanted Interesting hypothetical that didn't happen. There's no sympathy for Imperial Japan here you Fashoid wrecker, following the American line to a tee. There's only the reality that the nukes were an unmitigated act of cruelty against civilians when the Japanese high command was already moving towards surrender quite clearly.
>>969584 the victor will be decided when the last US troop leaves the middle east, in a coffin
>>971500 >we begin to kill left and right, in the hundreds, in the most cruel possible ways, and in the moment we even feel pleasure doing so. >we even feel pleasure doing so
>>964063 >mine the area around the pipeline before blowing it up devious
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>>971597 As someone who is Armenian. I will try to contextualize (I am not by any means justifying this). The feeling of nationalism, the feeling of fighting a just cause that is truly what keeps a soldier being afraid from dying. The enemy soldier becomes in essence a veil a concept that one must defeat rather then a puppet of that very system which causes these humans to be in such a way. War is not a pretty thing, it cuts away those bonds forged long ago, the shared cultures that of which the Armenians and the Azeris did have a lot in common and the shared material history that each and one of has much more in common as workers of the world united in different cultures. Truly this war proves more then anything that the nationalism of which people like Tito, Sun Yat Sen and Ho Chin Minh is sorely needed. The right way would be then not to apply revolutionary defeatism, but revolutionary nationalism. A nationalism that looks at unification not dissociation of the people. Someday that will be the case at least.
>>971841 >Someday that will be the case at least. For around sixty years, then some dude with a birthmark will get rid of it in order to be in a "Pizza Hut" commercial.
>>971841 This depends on the circumstances: at the beginning of the war revolutionary defeatism was right but with the war turning into a war of annihilation towards Armenia patriotism is legitimate and perhaps even necessary
>>971500 stop killing each other you apes
>>971597 Tbh even communists have said shit similar to this, take Che for example. It's shit that happens in the moment, you don't think what you're saying.
>>972434 The mindset that people are in during war is very alien to the civilian won.
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Seems like there might be a ceasefire, but I am very skeptical this will work. Aliyev knows that his regime is finished if he does not finish this war. Nationalism is the only thing that is keeping his regime from choking from the opposition.
>>976489 I've heard rumors that the Azeris have lost about two thousand KIA and they're strewn about the battlefield. The cleanup is going to be so fucking gruesome, this war fucking sucks.
>>976489 Is there a translation? Erdogan BTFO if true. Also it's possible Azerjannies losses are in the thousands as of now if they are to sign this.
>>977640 Statement by the foreign Ministers Russian Federation, Republic of Azerbaijan and Republic of Armenia In response to the appeal of the President of the Russian Federation V. V. Putin and in accordance with the agreements of the President of the Russian Federation V. V. Putin, the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan I. G. A. IEV and Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia N. V. Pashnin the parties agreed on the following Steps: 1. Declared a ceasefire from 12 o'clock 00 minutes on October 10, 2020 for humanitarian purposes for the exchange of prisoners of war and other detained persons and the bodies of the dead, through mediation and in accordance with criteria of the International Committee of the red cross 2. The specific parameters of the cease-fire will be agreed additionally 3. the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Republic of Armenia, with the mediation of the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs, start substantive negotiations on the basis of the basic principles of the settlement in order to reach a peaceful settlement as soon as possible. 4. the Parties confirm that the format of the negotiation process remains unchanged. Courtesy of Yandex
>>977640 >>976510 not to burst your bubbles but you guys know that its the armenians who asked for a ceasefire right?
>>978156 Of course, but if Azerjannies agree to it its because they sustained heavy losses.
Don't know if the right thread is this or /crisis/ but yesterday the Turkish central bank brought interest rates 1,5% higher than the previous ones, thereby deliberately slowing the pace of their economy in the desperate attempt to salvage the lira's value. Problems are starting to mount for our watermelon seller...
>Lol the ceasefire has not yet entered force because... we're still fighting :^) Was expecting them to be a little less brazen, but understandable I guess as Aliyev & Co didn't want a ceasefire anyway >>978181 Why is Erdogan supporting the war anyway? There's no way to run a pipeline from Baku to Turkey anyway without occupying parts of Armenia, so what is he getting out of this?
>>978181 >THE COLLAPSE IS TOTALLY GONNA HAPPEN GUYS, JUST AROUND THE CORNER GUYS <10 years later >THE COLLAPSE IZ TOTALLY GONNA HAPPEN GUYS, JUST AROUND THE CORNER GUYS
>>978196 >Why is Erdogan supporting the war anyway? There's no way to run a pipeline from Baku to Turkey anyway without occupying parts of Armenia, so what is he getting out of this? You're assuming erdogan wont be annexing armenia once Azerbaijan BTFO's them.
>>978201 >Stating the plain fact that Turkey economy is in the shitter and is a situation to keep an eye on <This fucking strawman Hang yourself glowie.
>>978201 he is right dude,as a person who lives in turkey i can confirm that we are literally fucked up.but hey all of them are USA's big game(!) Erdoğan is just an great example of bourg-puppets who use religion/nationalism for their power...
Why don't Armenia and Azerbaijan do a land swap and population transfer to settle this? What if Armenia got Nakhichevan and Azerbaijan got Nagorno Karabakh? That way neither has to deal with the complications of governing an enclave in the middle of hostile territory
>>978258 Problem is Armenia loves being autistic about Nagorno Karabakh and celebrates deporting Azeri out of it and then cries and shits their pants the Azeri get amd about it. I dont even support the azeris, they can rot in hell too. A reasonable solution eould force Armenia to leave Azeri territory and grant the former Nagorno Karabakh autonomous region or whatever independence but Azeri autism over muh rightful clay and armenian autism over muh defensive perimeter around muh lebensraum prevents any actual negotiations
>>978276 Maybe if Armenia could have a chunk of Turkey, Mt. Ararat and the stuff around it they could give up on Karabakh? Idk man I want this shit to end this conflict does nothing good for anyone except arms dealers
>>978258 >Let's solve the conflict with more genocide Unless you suggest they would let everyone stay, which considering the rhetoric, terror bombing (on both sides) and refusal to let refugees return, isn't very likely The only solution to this dumb conflict is internationalism. With unification of Armenia, Azerbaijan and maybe even an independent Artsakh into a Transcaucasian federation/union. With freedom of movement and right to abode for everyone
>>978315 I'm not sure anyone would be up for a caucasian superstate, there's so much bad blood between everyone there, hell the Nagorno Karabakh bullshit started before the Soviets even collapsed
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>>978315 I am personally very supportive of a transcaucasian union. Even some Armenian nationalists were intrigued by this idea. However in all unification of states it does require a common enemy. Obivously the only "common" enemy is Russia and the EU, but Armenia and Azerbaijan (in a larger degree) has more of a desire to become imperial subjects of either the EU or Russia.
>>978749 in all cases*
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>>978196 >There's no way to run a pipeline from Baku to Turkey anyway without occupying parts of Armenia you sure about that
>>978749 Just reform the USSR ffs
>>976510 >rumors that the Azeris have lost about two thousand KIA A good chunk of them are likely to be poor ass mercenaries from Syria whoms't they used as cannonfodder.
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>>967173 >le syrian terrorist/thug Dude, these are not ideologically, but mainly economically (read: poor as shit people from carpet bombed cities) motivated Syrians who - and we know this from several sources - have been duped by the azeris (offering "guards duty" instead of an offensive).
>>938263 underrated post
>>925258 you are of welcomings keep your head low, organize, be smart
https://t.me/operativmedia/1636 [Azeri President] Ilham Aliyev on Karabakh: We will go to the end.
>>924542 I want one of these at my next birthday party
turks are subhuman and should all be killed
>>926179 Whether 'the west' is actually in 'the west', it's still an essential diplomatic/economic distinction, denying its existence is just dumb.
>>987071 west is a synonym for first world at this point
>>926179 Is this claiming that Lebanon or Israel is west?
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The Armenians have lost this round and the frail cease fire has been violated . Armenia was betting on Russia to run to its succor and was betting on Russia as a military asset especially that it is Russia who helped Armenia occupy Azerbaijan in 1992 and Armenia would not have ventured alone in Azerbaijan hadn’t it been for Russia support. But once again Russia failed its allies and this is because Russia has neither friends nor allies , but has the world order agenda as sole ally . It is enough to remind how Russia never tried to stop israel from bombing Syria that is supposedly Russia’s ally, on the contrary , Russia coordinates these air strikes with israel and does not allow Syria to use the S-300 missiles that are Russian made to defend itself against israel’s attacks . After seeing how Russia behaves in Syria , one should not be surprised , the Russians had turned Syria into a commodity, and had invited Turkey in and behaved like a shareholder in an open market giving shares to the bidders on the ground , and rendering services to this and that at the expense of the Syrian people , and coordinating with both US and israel on the Syrian ground . One can notice how Syria was turned into a show room for Russian arms, and an experimental ground also for these arms .Syria’s future is still pending and terror has not ended after 9 years of war . The Russian so called ally is not in a hurry, and is waiting for many things to happen globally before ending the Idlib chapter , and is giving more time to Turkey and the world order to operate. Certainly the Russian belligerent cannot be trusted and especially the ex KGB agent called Putin who conspired against his own country and stole funds meant to feed his people and was the first to attribute terror to Islam and to coordinate efforts in this direction and send terrorists to Syria and other places
>>988629 That was quick af, they violated it almost immediately
>>997315 It's not in the Azeri or Turk interest to let the Armenians resupply and refit easily. Armenian soldiers at the front lines look tired as fuck. If this goes on for months or even a year then both countries will have sacrificed a huge portion of their young men. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjZEX-Tg0qI
>>997387 The Azeris are possibly taking even heavier casualties than the Armenians in their constant probing attacks. The images of the heaps of Azeri dead are more clearly shown here, where the Armenians claimed they wiped out basically a company of Azeri troops in a close quarters ambush. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiL6CdXjku8
>>978766 Why the fuck are Georgia's borders so fucking cringe? Did Stalin do this?
>>987068 Just like you
>>997614 Green blobs have ethnic minorities as majorities in them. Thousands years of history did this.
>>997614 Caucasus has a bazillion tiny ethnicities on each mountaintop, so much like the RSFSR, each of the Caucasian SSRs had ASSRs contained within them, despite them being so small. And the USSR of course also arbitrated borders between the GSSR, ArSSR, and AzSSR; far less border conflict before the USSR came apart. Also, from what I understand of Capitalist ex-USSR Georgia in the 90s, they were starting to get a bit genocidal to the Abkhazians and Ossetians, and were also trying to align with the EU like Bulgaria and Romania. So Putin intervened in Ossetia and Abkhazia with the (somewhat rightful) justification of stopping Georgian oppression in the ethnic minority regions, but for the Realpolitik reason of preventing an EU member state on their southern border/loyal NATO vassal in the Caucasus (unlike the wildcard in Turkey)
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The shelling in Nagorno Karabakh has not stopped, and the cease fire has been violated. Azerbaijan is determined to retrieve Nagorno Karabakh and to liberate the district- so to speak- and is threatening Armenia. How this unexpected war happened in Caucasia no one knows . It is certainly not a natural escalation but seems to have started in due time according to a definite global agenda. Experts are surprised to see Turkey venture so far, not only in what used to be the Ottoman Empire like Syria and Iraq, but to Caucasia, to what used to be the Soviet Union, and Turkey is drawing Israel to those lands. Whether Turkey , israel or Russia they are puppet states who work for the world order and carry their master’s will . Putin is justifying his non involvement in favor of his ally Armenia by saying that Armenia has not been attacked, and the battle is in Karabakh, forgetting that it is Russia that helped Armenia conquer Azerbaijan in the early nineties of the previous century under the pretext of protecting the Armenian community. Russia, now is saying that the conflict should be resolved through negotiations, and that Turkey should be part of those negotiations, and that Turkey is a strategic partner to Russia . Certainly, Russia that has no army qualified to fight , works as a contractor who takes projects in charge, and must have assured Turkey – its strategic partner – that it will not intervene in favor of Armenia in this tug of war, This is what made Turkey take the risk of sending forces and also sending terrorist thugs brought all the way from Idlib to fight and die in Azerbaijan .There is a distribution of roles here on behalf of the one master who runs the show . This guts Russia is showing by bringing Turkey- the enemy of Armenia – to the negotiation table has no par and is a real threat . This is Putin’s way , like when he imposed Turkey – the major sponsor of terror in Syria- and turned it into a partner and negotiator . The truth is that this Turkish- Russian partnership will manifest in other places in order to create disturbance and instability, and encircle Iran and the Axis of the Resistance . Now , military vehicles carrying the Turkish, the israeli and the Azerbaijani flags are roaming all over the place around Nagorno Karabakh; and Armenia, who wanted the cease fire to last, is worried about the future. It is required that Armenia be defeated in this tug of war . This is not the first time that Putin drops his allies. Remember what happened to the Russian community in Ukraine , and how they were let down by Putin who refrained from helping them and retrieved Crimea instead. And Idlib is still in the hands of Turkey who received a Russian green light in order to occupy portions of Syria. The West wants NATO Turkey to lead the Muslim world towards a total pacification of israel and towards an Islam that accommodates israel, unlike the Islam embodied by Iran and the Islamic Resistance , and Russia is part of this scheme. Also, the Eurasian entity , promoted by Russia , requires that all conflicts be cancelled for the sake of the coexistence between the Eurasian so called constituents , and certainly the Armenian – Turkish conflict is among those and will be solved at the expense of the Armenians like the Arab-israeli conflict is being solved at the expense of Arabs. Already Syria is becoming the cradle of so many contradictions and conflicts forced to coexist in this one spot and might be the model of what Eurasia will look like.
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>>964063 Based
>>997899 >How this unexpected war happened in Caucasia no one knows. It is certainly not a natural escalation but seems to have started in due time according to a definite global agenda. Wrote an article about the economic aspects, theorizing that the war is an attempt to externalize economic contradictions. The Azerbaijani economy is facing its worst crisis since the collapse of the USSR and state budget projections are completely out of whack because of the global plunge in oil prices. This risks political instability, but that can be redirected towards war, essentially "Make Armenia Pay for It." It also goes into some of the economic ties between Israel, Turkey and Azerbaijan. https://rb.gy/hho9nd
>>997899 Great analysis.
https://www.rferl.org/a/nagorno-karabakh-explainer-conflict-azerbaijan-armenia/27656158.html >The Caspian region has rich oil and gas reserves that regional countries want to export to Europe. However, there are only two export routes. One is northwest through Russia; the other southwest across the Caucasus. >However, northern routes through Russia do not satisfy Europe's long-term hopes of one day freeing itself from its dependence upon Moscow for energy supplies. The European Union's unhappiness with that reliance has grown for years as it has watched Russia use energy as a foreign-policy tool to apply pressure to states like Georgia and Ukraine. In some cases, cutoffs of gas to Ukraine over price disputes have caused shortfalls downstream in eastern EU states. >That's why Europe values the pair of oil and gas pipelines that currently bring Caspian energy out through the Caucasus, and why it hopes to see more such pipelines in the future. But those hopes are limited so long as the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh remains unsettled. Sometimes I wonder if its not oil or mineral rights, and then I remember.
>>1007529 >>1007528 Every Goddamm time
>>1007528 >>1007529 >>1011447 another pipeline war for Europe's gas money ? It has to be cheaper and easier to just build atomic power, somebody has to fund these wars, no ? Energy independence would be easier too. ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣠⣤⣤⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⣠⣤⣤⣀⡀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⠿⠿⠿⠿⠿⣷⣦⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣴⣾⡿⠿⠿⠿⠿⣿⣿⣦⡀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣾⣿⠟⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠛⢿⣦⣤⣾⠟⠋⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢿⣿⡄ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣴⡿⠻⣧⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣿⣷ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⡟⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⡾⠋⠀⠀⠈⢻⣦⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣰⣾⣿⣷⣄ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣾⠏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢷⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⡇⠀⢀⣀⣠⣤⣴⣶⡿⠷⠾⠿⠟⠛⠛⠛⠿⠷⠶⠿⣶⣦⣤⣄⣀⡀⠙⠿⣿⠿⠃ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣤⣶⣦⣀⣿⣷⠿⠟⠋⠉⠁⣴⠟⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⣧⡀⠉⠙⠛⠿⢶⣿⣄⡀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢹⣷⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⠏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣀⣀⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⢷⡀⠀⠀⠀⢸⡟⠙⠿⣷⣤⡀ ⠀⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⠟⠀⣿⡀⠀⠀⣼⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠐⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⢷⡀⠀⠀⣾⠇⠀⠀⠈⠻⣿⣦⡀ ⠀⢀⣾⣿⠃⠀⠉⠀⠀⠀⢸⣇⠀⣼⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⣿⣿⣿⣿⠏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⢷⡀⢰⡟⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⢿⣿⡄ ⠀⣾⣿⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢿⣼⠏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⢛⡛⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⣷⣾⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣿⣿⡀ ⠀⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⣤⣤⣤⣄⢰⣿⣿⡇⣠⣤⣤⣤⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⣯⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⡇ ⠀⢻⣿⣇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣿⠹⣧⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⠛⠛⢡⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⢰⡟⢻⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⣿⡿ ⠀⠀⠻⣿⣦⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣸⡇⠀⠹⣧⠀⠀⠈⣿⣿⣿⣿⠏⠀⠀⠘⢿⣿⣿⣿⠇⠀⠀⢠⡟⠀⠘⣷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣿⡿⠁ ⠀⠀⠀⠙⠿⣷⣤⡀⠀⢀⣿⠀⠀⠀⠹⣆⠀⠀⠈⠻⣿⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⢿⡿⠃⠀⠀⢠⡟⠀⠀⠀⢻⡇⠀⠀⣠⣾⡿⠋ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠛⠿⣶⣼⣟⠀⠀⠀⠀⠹⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣰⡟⠀⠀⠀⠀⣸⣷⣶⡿⠟⠉ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⡟⠻⠶⣶⣤⣄⣙⣷⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⣏⣠⣤⣴⡶⠿⠛⣿⠁ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠈⠉⠉⠛⢿⣟⠛⠿⠿⠿⠿⠿⠿⠟⢛⣿⠛⠉⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⡄ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠹⣧⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⠟⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⣿⠇ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢿⣷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠻⣦⡀⠀⣠⡾⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣸⣿ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠸⣿⣇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢙⣿⣾⣏⣴⣶⣤⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⣿⡟ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠹⣿⣷⣄⡀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⣤⣾⠿⠋⠈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣴⣿⡿⠁ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⠿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠟⠋⠁⠀⠀⠀⢻⣿⣿⣿⠿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⠋
>>997315 Last time there was a ceasefire, it was violated within the first 5 minutes.
>>1012420 If Russian intervenes on the side of Armenia this will definently be a new frontier like the ME, indeed.
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Why the World Order has stirred the Nagorno Karabakh issue is for many reasons because this issue is controversial and not clear and bears many interpretations . No doubt that it is the World powers and their clients who stirred this conflict again after more than a decade passed on the confrontation between Armenia and Azerbaijan . It is an issue that involves separatism more so than independence and cannot be solved easily , and means definitely war where more than a party would be involved . This is not a conflict to be taken lightly, and was chosen on purpose not only in order to encircle Iran and bring israel to its borders , not only in order to teach a lesson to Armenia and revive the conflict with the Turks , but also to maneuver and show how to deal with minorities in a given country in an area where they form the majority . The closest example to this scenario one can think of is Kashmir , and the world powers must be sharpening their knives thinking of Kashmir while manipulating the war in Karabakh. But one can also think of Syria and Lebanon especially amid talks of turning both Syria and Lebanon into federal states with several religious and ethnic entities . Separatism has always been drastic for the population and painful . It has never solved any problem but has increased the already existing problems and added to them .See what happened to South Sudan lately and before that to Kosovo . These are bloody wars that the world order has in store for many countries and not just for Nagorno Karabakh . The minority problem in areas where a minority forms the majority is to be solved through wars that are instigated and funded by the World Order where the fuel are the people themselves . People should seek unity and solidarity instead, and never repeat the Balkanian disaster or the Indian one .
>>1013833 What is meant is the similarity between Kashmir and Nagorno Karabakh being both subject to a world conspiracy because both host a minority in the country seeking separation. The escalation in Karabakh might be followed by an escalation in Kashmir on behalf of the same world powers .
>>1013833 They always prey on minorities and encourage people to fight each other.
>>1013833 Even in South Africa it's being fumed where the white is the majority in the farming main lands with the end game I'm certain is hoping for separatism

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