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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 12:39:50 No. 8925
A general thread for all China related discussion
>>505621 Why are you dredging up click bait from 2016?
>>505629 Because my friends are talking about it and I don't know if it's bullshit or real
>>505688 They're summer camps, parents who think internet is bad will send their kids there. There are also fat camps where fat kids get sent to to lose weight.
>>504991 >traditional chinese cringe and [forget what i supposedly say] pill
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https://twitter.com/FuckHKrioters she posted a lot of porn I'm digging in Twitter accounts of Chinese people
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>>506443 Tell me about the rabbits, /leftypol/.
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>>506444 >>506448 What the fuck apparently it's from this Chinese cartoon or whatever and I looked up the name (那年那兔那些事儿) and found this episode of it where it has America nuking Japan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNgyxzmzaJY Also this which has a bear with a hammer/sickle on his chest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95EXaJctJ48 Which I guess might represent Russia? I can't tell. Either way this shit is 100% memeworthy material
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>>506453 The bear is definitely the USSR and those posters on the wall are parodies of old PRC-USSR cooperation posters.
>>506444 >Tell me about the rabbits Well, for one, the rabbit is a mascot of Xiaomi corporation, although, it's not directly influencing this or vice versa
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China is cashing in all the material support it gave European countries (hundreds of millions of protective gear) in diplomatic form.
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>>506545 Based Also is there some anon that can tell me why public sector in China is strengthening so rapidly? Or are those stat bullsh*t?
>>506651 >state >companies so "state capitalism" memes were real?
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britbong BTFO by giant fork
>>506718 What?
>>506728 chad self hating western nerd
>potholer54: Did SARS-Cov-2 start in a Chinese lab?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-r0capbzk
>>506728 (((anglos))) get the fork
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>>506924 This is disgusting.
>>506972 This is just the top of the iceberg. In the comments under the posts of the Chinese embassy Twitter accounts they post pictures of animal abuse, racist caricatures, and claims like "CCP will harvest your family." I wonder how many of it are bots.
>>506924 Why do they all say CCP instead of CPC?
>>507427 That's a non-issue. I've seen people on the left do it as well. CCP is how it's abbreviated in Chinese (say, via a direct translation, which it sometimes is when romanized in China on signs etc.) while CPC is the techniclaly correct translation for English use. Before I realized that a lot of MSM anti-Chinese propaganda use 'CCP'* a lot I used CCP just because it looked better. *CCCP was the Russian way of spelling the USSR, on a related note back to the cold war.
But basically it's just two different ways of spelling the same thing. This image >>506924 contains more complexity than 'CCP vs CPC'.
>>506651 We cannot conclude much from these two graphs. The second graph shows an increase in proportion of loans (debt) given to SoEs but we don't know what the actual number was, it's possible (though unlikely) that overall loans decreased while the proportion given to SoEs increased. The first graph shows that the a portion of the debt was invested into fixed capital but we don't know if real estate is counted as nonfinancial. Do you have the full articles?
>>506530 Are these tech corporations (Huawei, Xiaomi) under state control? If not, when are they going to do that? It will be necessary if they’re on the road to socialism.
>>507983 Xiaomi makes consumer goods it's not state owned because it doesn't really matter. Huawei makes telecom equipment, actual infrastructure/capital goods, it's officially worker owned but western governments like to call it a SOE. Huawei has a consumer good branch as well but that's not why the US wants to kill it.
>>508022 Still why not bring everything under state control? Isn’t that the goal of a communist government in order to prepare for socialism and communism?
>>508036 Because the real goal of the CCP is not socialism.
>>508052 Then what is it?
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Are comparisons between Xi and this beloved cartoon bear actually banned? I'm having trouble finding any reliable info on this.
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What's some good intro to modern Chinese literature, I tried reading pic related and I think I'm missing too many references for it to make much sense, especially because it references his previous novel, Red Sorghum, which I haven't read yet.
>>506453 Is that guy in khaki uniform(with mustache) suppose to be Stalin?
>>508415 >is low IQ trolling with fake accounts spamming distastefull attempts to deface government figures which is frowned upon or banned in 90% of all European states getting you banned on Chinese social media? Nice selfstrawman. Thats not even what your propaganda hoax asserts. You flat out claim China banned the entire cartoon because you "triggered them so hard"! Its such a retarded asspull and forced meme its not even wort to discuss.
>>508480 no he's the Kuomintang/Taiwan
>>508534 Jesus man I was just asking for the truth of matter. Chill.
>>508480 The guy in the uniform is Kuomintang The added mustache is used specifically for Sun Yat Sen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZleHdPxFyo&list=PLtKm9tbljwlslEqjFdRZ44MRhi4-j7C6R
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/ Was this subreddit always this pro-China? I feel like I saw it linked here before and it was anti-CPC or something? Now I look and there's a lot of attacking American narrative about China.
>>508773 Why are you on reddit?
>>508775 >noooo dont go on bad site i dont like
>>508773 the anti-cpc subreddit is r/china (basically a bunch of westerners pretending to be chinese) r/sino is based, though they are dengoids and sometimes apologize for chinese billionairs/companies
>>509175 >>464882 >>464888 >>464956 For all the nay-sayers it's the non-capitalist elements that produce the mechanisms that allowed countries to cope with the virus. From the capitalist side you did have some companies switching the production to make products relevant to the crisis, but this was mostly on a voluntary basis, where personal convictions played the decisive role, the capitalist system didn't produce helpful structures, quite the contrary it produced intense pressures that acted against measures like quarantines, it even pressured countries to erode their health-care system like in Italy where neo-liberal austerity had drastically reduced medical facilities. Even in the US where a project for producing cheap ventilators was de-funded because capitalist money calculation deemed it as not profitable enough. the fact of the matter is that socialism with Chinese characteristics did work capitalism with neo-liberal characteristics did not work, The neo-liberal capitalist ideologues, aren't even trying to conceive of a reee market solution that would offer any kind of proactive measures to safeguard against crisis, all they can come up with is attempts at justifying to sacrifice people. Capitalist-freedom TM is when grandma dies from the coof because the market-god demands blood. After the remaining sense of humanity got beaten out off people, Stalinism with American characteristics is not going to say "historic necessity" it's probably going to say, "we just wanted health-care" The ideological aspect is that socialism emphasises planning which naturally lends it self to make preparations for crisis, and socialist ideology has the concept of society that allows for large scale collective action, which again is a advantage in crisis because it grants idealogical justification for state directed production.
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>>509424 who is this "zhong" dude?
>>509486 a nazi scumbag on bill gates' payroll
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1589521258417.webm are you ready for the chinese century?
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>>509514 Excuse you, lad, but here at /leftypol/ we are proudly part of the Luciferian Alliance and New World Order Agenda. If you haven't sold your soul to the Satan and sworn an oath to destroy the USA then you don't belong here.
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>>509524 Don't link to external sites for files bro. We're our own website now.
>>509529 Someone slow this by 0.75 (the song even gets better). People need the added time to process the barrage of information being presented.
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>>509524 >half chan filtering bunkerchan traffic as spam Told the mods to implement the word filter
>>509584 implement what word filter?
>>508534 >butthurt vol deleted my reply Damn extra dose of autism.
>>507427 It's a literal translation that is not official (the official translation is CPC) but it probably is that way for three reasons. 1. It's just a coincidental translation 2. Falun Gong and other racist propaganda try to label it as being "Chinese". Thus, an entire ethnic group can be associated with it. The mainstream media gets much of their Anti-China narrative from Falun Gong and even these racist groups. Thus, they use the unofficial term CCP. 3. Anti-China media wants boomers to correlate it with CCCP and invoke a new red scare.
>>510323 Am I the only one that doesn't see the connection? Xi just looks like a dude to me.
>>510333 Yeah I don't see it either. They're both kinda fat I guess and a bit chubby in the face?
>>508773 its amazing how much it had grown over the past year. normies kept brigading it every time China was in the news, yet many chose to stay lmao.
>>510333 >>510336 >be Chinese government >people are saying Xi looks like Pooh bear >it's kind of just a minor, harmless meme that'll blow over in a few months >suddenly get devilish idea >pretend you hate when Xi is said to look like Pooh >anti-China activists go full contrarian and repeatedly say he looks like Pooh, won't shut the fuck up about it, feel righteous for standing up to muh oppressive CCP machine >association between Xi and a beloved, gentle cartoon character is now absolutely burned into Western consciousness Will the CPC ever stop being 12 parallel universes ahead of their opponents?
>>510455 Carl Schmitt would be so proud
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>>510323 >>510915 and in Chinese
>>510333 Yeah it didn't even occur to me either before seeing the meme.
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>>510933 >>510333 Pic related is the original comparison, it was a lighthearted meme from during the Obama years
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>>510323 >>510915 >>510928 Winnie the Pooh itself very obviously is not banned in China and any claim to the contrary is bullshit. But it seems that comparisons between Xi and Pooh are banned from Chinese websites. In pic related I went to the pages that came up (you can try the search yourself). One was two news stories mashing together in Google's preview of the site. A few of the others were posts that got deleted...
>>511203 I tried the same thing on duckduckgo and it gave a whole lot more results that google. Maybe it's something with google?
>>511210 (me) nvm. Same shit with chinese translations
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>>511210 dafuq?
Xi trending on twitter what happened?
>>511328 What are twitteroids saying about him?
>>511341 just the usual shit about him burning covid data and hiding cases
>>511346 *yawn*. Don't they ever get tired?
>>511363 Do bots or idiots really get tired. The idiots are going to believe anything. Hell if I could astroturf a Ayy lmao invasion they fall for it.
>>511448 How would this work? They ship it globally for free? Wouldn't the local governments still get the final say on if it's free or not once it gets to their country?
>>511448 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHINA STOLE THE VACCINE FROM US WE ARE GOING TO SUE CHINA IN INTERNATIONAL COURTS FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT
So what exactly does this org do?
>>511448 >China's Virus subtle
>>511452 in the 40s members of the kuomitang realized Chang was a corrupt fool so they decided to escape into honk kong like all other democratic parties Mao persuaded them to form a united democratic front against kuomitang and they did Now they are pupets i guess
>>511522 >now they are puppets That doesn't tell me what they actually do, only their purpose
>>511328 There's some video from HK going around saying that the CCP took over some election of a new chairman and muh pro-democracy brave dindus were forcibly expelled so they couldn't vote and the chairman was replaced by a CCP puppet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQLn1q6nGYg This is a short clip from Bloomberg. They don't seem to corroborate that and they're hardly pro-china.
>>511450 probably means it's not going to be patented. same as with the polio vaccine iirc in b4 screeching mutt chauvinists claiming Chinese can't invent vaccines and even if they did they would not share them because orientals lack empathy, or something of that nature
>>512025 If they don't patent it and some other company will take the design and patent it, then the vaccine will be enclosed again. You could attempt to invalidate the patent on grounds of prior art but that's going to be a lengthy legal battle and the damage will already be done. What needs to be done is a patent equivalent of GNU license to prevent appropriation of free work.
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niggas are really shillin for cold war 2.0
>>512360 they milked russiagate as much as they could, american news media industry needs a new villain and storyline for 2020 and beyond
>>512360 Xi looks stunning
>>512458 Yeah they really made Xi look nice and friendly there, instead of his normal disappointed look.
>>512360 The American political economy cannot exist outside of the cold war framework, they tried making Islamic terrorism the enemy for 19 years now, it didn't work, it's not the same, same deal with Russia, it's too small to be a real threat. They need a real state to compete with, so the options are either Europe or China, China's a much more convenient enemy due to the legacy of both anti-communism and yellow peril sentiment in America.
>>512461 >instead of his normal disappointed look Is that why the chinese call him dada
https://youtu.be/OjNpRbNdR7E “Red Sun in the Sky” no cap one of my favorite songs.
>>512360 >>512458 Ben Garrison is to Donald Trump as Newsweek is to Xi Jinping.
>>512485 Mr. Speaker we are for the big.
>>512562 yeah, it rules
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>“We start on Friday, but only with our bistro. No Chinese wanted!!!” French headchef Jean-Claude Bourgueil wrote on Facebook >Beijing's loudhailer Global Times subsequently highlighted that the high end restaurant, Im Schiffchen, had been removed from Michelin Guide’s website. >The Im Schiffchen Facebook page also could not be accessed.
>>513132 don't give a fuck really. i mean on one side it's censorship but on the other is some racist porky
>>513136 What censorship? The Michelin Guide is a private entity, not some public service. The guide covers restaurants by holistic dining experience, not just a measure of what the best food is. Given that Chinese people want to eat there too, they're gonna have a shitty experience if they go to this restaurant. Start a scandal, get fucked. Have a racist restaurant, expect people to hate your place and the guide reflects it.
>>512360 Western porkies are getting nervous for a reason. <Chinese Labor Force: ~800 mil >Imperialist Labor Force: ~600 mil <Chinese Industrial Production (PPP$US): 70% of the Imperialist Bloc (~10,000 bil vs ~15,000 bil) The imperialist world still holds most other advantages though. >Majority of high-tech component production (Semiconductors, etc.) >Majority of oil/gas reserves (by far) >Majority of foreign investment/capital flows >Larger navy (Over 10x/8x/4x/2x times as many Carriers/Submarines/Destroyers/Frigates - not including logistics) >Over 95% of world currency reserves are USD/EUR/GBP/CAD/AUD >Secure supply lines >20x times as many nuclear weapons... Imperialist Bloc here being Anglo-America, Gulf States, Israel and Japan/South Korea/Taiwan Instead of stopping climate change porky would rather have a new cold war. (Even though they own most of the world anyway)
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>>512360 >That pose
>>513230 My Little Chairman Can't be this Cute!
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Medical Staffs from Xuzhou Cancer Hospital(徐州市第三人民医院) protest against privatization of the hospital
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>强烈要求严惩贪污腐败行为 strongly demand to serverly punish corruption >坚决抵制三胞集团侵吞国有化资产的恶劣行径 Resolutely resist SanPower's egregious misappropriation of nationalized assets >坚决拥护共产党的正确领导 Stand with the correct leadership of the Communist Party
>>513800 For all those detractors of China, can you imagine any capitalist country in which this would be possible? The fact that this happens is already an indication that whatever operates in China can't be just regular capitalism.
>>513798 >privatization of the hospital >dengoids will defend this
>>513798 >>513800 >China allowing protest Fake news as usual >>513825 You tell em mate
>>512360 funny how american always depict them self as the underdog.
>>513825 As you can see, the CPC is against? Are you shizo?
>>509526 lol, they are destroying China before Usa, you idiot.
>>513867 Nigga the CPC is in power if a hospital is being privatized they could stop it.
>>513867 Bro the literal meaning of privatization is a currently public business/entity being sold to the highest bidder. Now who is the governing party and pretty much decider of anything that gets done in China? That's right, the CPC. Look anon, you're very smart, you make very good effortposts but don't feel a neccessity to always defend absolutely everything the CPC does, it's not worth it. Defend what needs to be defended, but don't go overboard.
>>506458 that fcking monkey nigger kruschev took this away from us
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>>513798 >>513800 https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=https://web.archive.org/web/20200519233746/https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3A8PyLHBrA3EgJ%3Awww.wyzxwk.com%2FArticle%2Fshidai%2F2020%2F05%2F418424.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://web.archive.org/web/20200519233746/https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3A8PyLHBrA3EgJ%3Awww.wyzxwk.com%2FArticle%2Fshidai%2F2020%2F05%2F418424.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us This morning, a video from the Xuzhou Third Hospital was spread online.   According to the live video, many medical staff gathered in front of the hospital ward building, sang the "Internationale" in unison, and played "strongly request the discipline inspection department to enter the Xuzhou third hospital", "strongly demand severe punishment of corruption", "resolutely resist the third "Bad group misappropriation of state-owned assets", as well as banner banners such as "resolutely support the correct leadership of the Communist Party", "return to our hospital".  According to Baidu entries, the institute was established in 1964. Once belonged to a "non-profit" state-owned public hospital. Sanpower Company holds 80% of the shares, and the Xuzhou government holds 20% of the shares .   According to the public information of "Enterprise Check", Sanpower Group is a large-scale multinational private enterprise group characterized by informatization, based on modern service industry, and the two major businesses of new health and new consumption . The Group has been shortlisted for the "Top 500 Chinese Enterprises" for the 15th consecutive year (No. 122 in 2018) Pic related, mood reactions from readers of the above article in Chinese.
>>514651 Socialism with chinese characteristics strikes again. What's the point of having a worker's state if basic needs like healthcare and housing are put behind a paywall?
>>514651 Based medical staff, cringe """"""""""""""""""""Communist"""""""""""""""""""" party
>>514651 >pic what does this mean. Are they mad at the hospital or the workers?
>>514877 The former
>>513202 Thing is though China is building those allegiances. When it comes down to it, who is going to support the US in some venture against China, doubtful even many European countries would support it. Any conflict will be proxy conflict and at the minute it seems like China is doing more work to establish proxies, although the US obviously has had longer, but that has also given these proxies time to degrade. China also have what seems to be a more sustainable model of making proxies out of places, namely they aren't in the business of deposing elected leaders, they simply build stuff and extract profits in this manner. So they aren't really proxies, but places with a vested interest in continued Chinese stability. The longer this goes on, the less likely conflict is to arise and the model is designed for longevity over instant results.
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>>516034 Only niggas still simping for america are Poles
>>516040 really? lol. source?
>>516055 Holy fuck lol. >When you swallow hook, line and sinker
>>514651 Anyone got the video?
vid from US department of state
>>516249 Awww poor province of Taiwan :((
>>516255 it had the sad piano tinkle so i know it's sad
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>>516249 >>516255 >you might see the Chinese communists reenter the kuomintang in your lifetime If only to spite the separatists.
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>>516283 >for several decades we thought china would become more like us ... it didn't happen Given the mouth these words came out off, that's actually praise
>>513800 >>513798 >>514651 >chinese workers and people stand up for themselves >this proves that socialism in china is dead somehow big thonk
>>516392 The question is whether it's alive and well in the allegedly communist party
>>516399 >having to post this for the 12th time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xfvx0Ll2IE
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Over 20% of Chinese university students say they are not straight https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/over-20-of-chinese-university-students-say-they-are-not-straight/ More than 15% of Chinese university students are LGBT+, according to a new survey. The research asked 54,580 college students from 1,764 universities across China about their sexuality. And 8.92% said they are bisexual, 4.58% gay, 1.22% pansexual, 0.6% asexual, and 0.94% another sexuality. Meanwhile just 77.28% are heterosexual and 6.46% are not sure. It is a further indication that attitudes are shifting towards LGBT+ people in China, particularly among young people. ... Late last year, the country’s top legislative body allowed the public to make suggestions for an updated draft of China’s Civil Code. Nearly 200,000 Chinese people sent feedback in just one month. And over 190,000 of them made the same proposal: legalize same-sex marriage. By recognizing and publicizing the result, Chinese officials gave LGBT+ campaigners hope they are now more sympathetic to marriage equality. Officials in the past have opposed same-sex marriage. Moreover, in December, Chinese news site ifeng.com polled 10million people. It found 66% of the respondents favored legalizing same-sex marriage.
Pentagon war games reveal that US would lose any war fought in the Pacific with China The United States would be defeated in a sea war with China and would struggle to stop an invasion of Taiwan, according to a series of “eye-opening” war games by the Pentagon. American defence sources have told The Times that simulated conflicts conducted by the US concluded that their forces would be overwhelmed. One war game focused on the year 2030, by which time the Chinese navy would operate new attack submarines, aircraft carriers and destroyers. https://theaviationgeekclub.com/pentagon-war-games-reveal-that-us-would-lose-any-war-fought-in-the-pacific-with-china/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200518014706/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us-would-lose-any-war-fought-in-the-pacific-with-china-7j90bjs5b
>>517096 It's good to see fags in China opening up. In conservative countries like China spooks like carrying family name is very important. Considering that many of those gay people might be only child of their parents, I don't know how many of them would be able to reveal their faggotry to their family.
Most U.S. firms have no plans to leave China due to coronavirus: survey Most U.S. firms in China currently have no plans to relocate production to other parts of the country or abroad due to the coronavirus, but there is less certainty about the long term due to growing worries over U.S.-China decoupling, a survey showed. The survey was conducted from March 6-13 and received responses from 25 companies. It targeted senior executives from firms that had global revenue of over $500 million and were involved in sectors from healthcare to consumer goods. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-business/most-u-s-firms-have-no-plans-to-leave-china-due-to-coronavirus-survey-idUSKBN21Z08K >>517290 Chinese parents often act similarly to how other Asian parents are stereotyped to act in other countries, strictly monitoring and planning the child's life. Often that doesn't include much tolerance for things like homosexuality. But on a society-wide scale, it seems they don't care to the level countries like the US would. I see similarity with Japan's attitude toward it.
>>517281 So does that mean they're ditching the hole military supremacy thing or is this going to be used to increase military budgets.
>>517290 Another factor is that a lot of parents still live in rural areas while the kids moved into cities, being able to embrace their faggotry openly. People living in villages aren't known for their progressive attitude... Still, as long as the kids send back money to pop&mom they can stfu about the sexuality of their offspring.
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>>517411 Basically there was a small initial genuine grass-roots movement for people that did actually want to have more democracy, that movement was then co-opted by spy-operations that seemed similar to colour-revolutions, which probably was an alliance between Hong-Kong-city-state big bourgeois capitalists and US spy-agencies. Maybe the UK was also involved , there were British and US flags in the pictures of the astro-turf crowds, and Hong Kong being a former British colony make that somewhat plausible... If Kongers get lucky this means that Beijing is just pushing for legal powers to break foreign spy-networks and it won't really affect average people. Consider that the democratic period in Hong Kong was during the time it was part of China, when it was a British colony it was not a democracy. (Technically the Brits were the ones that introduced democracy but they did that at the very end, after it was already clear HongKong would become part of China) The people that genuinely want to promote democracy must be aware that historically Beijing was more willing to make compromises in that regard, they might be able to get their democratic features if they package it with pro China unity stuff. Because the other 2 strategies that could be observed with the democracy grass-root movement were: 1 The neither China neither West movement. 2 The pro West movement. Both of these got railroaded by the Americans co-opting everything to push their geopolitical shenanigans. There's been a pattern in the last decades or so where American involvements ends up wrecking popular political movements for democracy, beginning with the democratic grass-root movements in the Arab Spring getting wrecked because Washington funded religious mercenary groups.
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>>517508 Alliance between Hong Kong boojies and US spy agencies yes. Also if you're looking for the paper trail, US ops in Hong Kong run through the Hong Kong Democracy Council (HKDC) which itself is run by NED (i.e. US government). It was also hardly hidden when some of the protest leaders were meeting with the US consulate's political chief. There's not only money involved but also interfacing with media and coordinating on issues. But I don't think the US cares about HK that much except as leverage to pressure China as part of larger strategies. In this case, the trade war between the US and China. The top people know that HK is not going to be independent, as the economy is too interlinked with China. The kiddos with the American flag umbrellas meanwhile I think are not those with control within the movement but teenage clowns who were being pushed by HK boojies to act out violently for the cameras every night. The American flags are an emotional reaction from these teens, a fuck-you to China, and a vain hope that they could be part of the US orbit instead of a tool. Not that people aren't pissed off about stuff. See, the living and working condition were much better 30 years ago for the people who are now in their 60s, than their children who are now in their 30s. The so-called middle income trap was real in HK. The wage and cost of living raised so fast it chased away all the other industries except finance and property speculation. This while-collar middle class is chasing after the fantasy rose-tinted 90s HK when people were paid 5x/10x better than the mainlanders they encountered. And to HKers $ = dignity. >>514901 Look deeper and look at Belt and Road. The thing with that, is China needs a way to spend every dollar they make from the US. Look at the trade relationship between the US and China: China makes most consumer products for the US, and increasingly some high-end equipment. China makes practically everything themselves and buys basically only passenger planes and some oil and beans from the US. China gets tons of US dollars from the trade deficit every year. China needs a way to spend the USD before the inevitable US/China geopolitical war of the 21st century (or warm war if you want to call it). China already buys tons of gold and foreign companies. Often they get cockblocked from buying major western energy companies for national security reasons. China can't bring the USD home, because it will cause inflation known as Dutch Disease. Of course the west wants China to dump the money into western stocks and real-estate markets to prop up the western financial markets. But that would be a dumb way to spend your investment money, because the west especially Europe is on the long-term decline. Investing in the third world is a much better bet. China was already doing it before, now call it 1B1R and group them under the Xi Dada-branded basket. All this means is that China is essentially placing a 50-year bet that the poor countries/the developing world/global south will grow faster than the rich countries/developed world/global north. If you look at it this way it's a very easy bet to make. Even if 30 percent of the countries continue to fail and declare bankruptcy a few times over, the remaining will still make up the good returns. That's the main reason China places the bet on the BRI, there are also other reasons China went to Africa so hard after 2008 but not that important from the big picture. When you lend so much money to another sovereign state, there is always going to be an unequal power dynamic between them. And you can call it imperialism if you want. China doesn't care about the imperialism power dynamic. China just wants to properly spend its war chest on solid things. Why does the western press shit on it? Cause they know they are being bet against as the declining side in China's long term bet.
>>517353 >is this going to be used to increase military budgets. Yeah it's an old pentagon tactic to get mo' money for dem programs by "showing" they're too weak to deal with whoever is the US at odds with nowadays.
>>517553 TL;DR: the people of HK are legit pissed off at the HK gov., but due to US NGO interference lash out at China as a state and mainland Chinese instead. LOL
>>517553 Mostly correct, but a major error you made was neglecting semiconductors. China purchases a lot of chips from US companies and their Taiwanese stogges (TSMC). The recent TSMC ban threatens to place serious strain on China's 5G rollout, since Huawei was TSMC's #1 customer. China may have a complete supply chain for semiconductor manufacturing, but it is nowhere near as good as what TSMC has to offer. I would rather they had put a good chunk of that BRI money towards acquiring this tech, but the past is the past. SMIC will be coming out with a 14nm process which is comparable to 7nm processes elsewhere, so they arent hopelessly behind. Nevertheless, it is still a serious blow.
>>517290 faggots should be sent to labor camps instead of being encouraged to come out in the open.
>>517649 Hope that's bait; if not, just kys.
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>>517644 It always did strike me as strange that they would call for something as vague as "democracy" and "freedom" when they're living in cage homes. It seems to me like the biggest problem in hong kong is their autonomy away from the Chinese government; they have too much "freedom" because of the 1 country, 2 systems policy.
>>517669 They have a separate ethnic identity that was deliberately cultivated by the education system. Purging the teachers is something that should have been done on day 1. The Chinese gov is far too content to let things drag out.
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https://twitter.com/Achuuvements/status/1263531088976261121 At midnight tonight, Hong Kong will practically be fully absorbed into the PRC 27 years early. The laws of the PRC will (from midnight tonight) also apply to Hong Kong. "One country, Two systems" is over, and with it you can be prosecuted for talking out against the CCP. ENJOY THE RE-EDUCATION CAMPS YOU LITTLE BRITISH CUCKS
>>518416 Holy shit, thank you president Xi!
>>518416 Some person on Twitter isnt a source.
>>518461 http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-05/22/c_139076678.htm Looks like they are doing something at least.
>>518416 So that’s what this glowfag was whining about https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/go8xs4/ladies_gentlemen_please_turn_your_eyes_towards/ Hongkies can go fuck themselves
>>518467 A good step but it has yet to be implemented.
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>>518416 >>518467 I outright said that the biggest issue in hong kong is their independence. >>517669 Let's see if the hong kong protestors get the justice they deserve for disrupting the conduct of the chinese nation during a dangerous period of history wherein sinophobia is being pushed in the hopes of a new cold war. I hope the hong kong protestors get sent north to the Great Green Wall to plant trees in the desert for twenty years. I hope they get separated from their families and friends to prevent them from having any contact with people they can brainwash with british imperialist retardation.
so when is midnight in HK?
>>517096 Reminder that China will legalize gay marriage sooner than it will provide single-payer healthcare like Taiwan and South Korea already have, let alone become a socialist country.
>>518477 The forces of reaction from the reddit "left" has been hilarious to me. I guess the Berniefag phase is not very cool anymore and so they are scrambling for reactionary doomerism. Well there is greener pastures, and they will spite those want to walk that path. I don't envy them nor pity them.
>>518477 Pure chauvinism, they have to be the superheros, they are the master race in their eyes, they give out and take away freedom from people they have to business interfering with.
>>518416 >kpop fan already turning more of a nuisance than nazi weebs
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Americans rate the US, UK response to the virus higher than the Chinese response https://twitter.com/johngramlich/status/1263536773503877126
>>519020 So, this is the power of ideology.
>>519020 Are burgers retarded? How difficult is it to understand that 100.000>5.000?
>>519141 They don't need to understand it they just need to trust their gut.
>>519020 >Everyone who does better than the US are lying >US government are also liars <Except when it comes to American greatness, then it's true This reflects the real power of the USA. No outside force or ideology can do as much harm unto them as they do unto themselves.
>>519154 Consequently, as socialists we must critically support the US government's anti-imperialist war against itself
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>>519156 based and trumppilled
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>>519020 >>519029 >>519141 >>519143 >>519154 These polling stats say nothing about people. Most people will not know technical stats to be able to respond to this. The very process of how these polls forces people to give uninformed answers. People are made to feel compelled to give answers in a context where they are not granted the opportunity to do some research and form an informed opinion. These stats do not reflect the believes of people, they don't reflect ideology of people, and they don't reflect a lack of intelligence. The only thing these things do is show that if you put people on the spot and use social pressure to give an answer they will just repeat stuff they have heard somewhere before. You could have somebody say they think China did a bad job in the virus response and say the US did a much better job, based on their brains repeating socially normalised noises. But this is extremely superficial, this does not mean that people actually believe this, they will have no problems dropping these stances if they are engaged on a different cognitive level. You can't program people with propaganda, that's not how this works, you do not get shared believes with this just shared proclamations. This only works in a very narrow set of circumstances. And this does not represent deeply engrained structure, all you have to do to overcome this is grant people the space where they are not under social obligation to repeat socially normalised noises.
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>>519202 >>519020 Reminds me of something
>>516322 They'll make the KMT (Minsheng) faction from Kaiserreich real if they have to
>>517553 Full integration into the PRC would probably help alleviate the shitty conditions for Hongkie workers. HK bougies getting to do what they want for the past few decades is why we have coffin apartments etc., which in turn is what is fueling most of the discontent (misdirected into demands for "political" rights).
>>517646 >I would rather they had put a good chunk of that BRI money towards acquiring this tech You can't just throw money at it without running into seriously diminishing returns, these things simply take time to mature. It might be tough going for a couple of years, but fundamentally the US trade war was a decade late to succeed - a decade which China managed to buy for itself by supercharging its economy and helping drag the West out of the 2008-2009 recession. >>519156 based and lolpilled
>>519254 >Niggas said Iran is in the United States
>>519254 what the fuck
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>>517553 >China needs a way to spend the USD before the inevitable US/China geopolitical war of the 21st century (or warm war if you want to call it). China already buys tons of gold and foreign companies. Often they get cockblocked from buying major western energy companies for national security reasons. China can't bring the USD home, because it will cause inflation known as Dutch Disease. Of course the west wants China to dump the money into western stocks and real-estate markets to prop up the western financial markets. But that would be a dumb way to spend your investment money, because the west especially Europe is on the long-term decline. Investing in the third world is a much better bet. China was already doing it before, now call it 1B1R and group them under the Xi Dada-branded basket. All this means is that China is essentially placing a 50-year bet that the poor countries/the developing world/global south will grow faster than the rich countries/developed world/global north. If you look at it this way it's a very easy bet to make. Even if 30 percent of the countries continue to fail and declare bankruptcy a few times over, the remaining will still make up the good returns. That's the main reason China places the bet on the BRI, there are also other reasons China went to Africa so hard after 2008 but not that important from the big picture. When you lend so much money to another sovereign state, there is always going to be an unequal power dynamic between them. And you can call it imperialism if you want. China doesn't care about the imperialism power dynamic. China just wants to properly spend its war chest on solid things. Why does the western press shit on it? Cause they know they are being bet against as the declining side in China's long term bet. You still use the ruling ideology framework. You have to frame it in a way where western capitalists chose to sell out their origin countries. China is not the architect of the current order. China is not the one betting against western economies, the western financiers are the ones doing this. Both Europe as well as US do not have to go into decline, they could reinvest into infrastructure and production, China neither could nor would want to interfere with this. The correction to your post I'm proposing is to not frame China as a factor in the economic down turn in the west, that is self-inflicted. China did not force Apple to produce iphones in China, and so on.
>>519202 > But this is extremely superficial, this does not mean that people actually believe this, they will have no problems dropping these stances if they are engaged on a different cognitive level. Lmao. That’s certainly not true.
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>>519395 the dots in the middle of the ocean are the best responses
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>>519422 Yes it is, propaganda never produces conviction, if you engage people so that they neither have to fear social exclusion for deviating from normalised social noises, nor push them towards attaching their sense of self to their expressions they will drop ruling ideology talking points without resistance, you don't even have to do the metaphorical fight to make them put on the anti ideology glasses like in the movie they live. With the exception in cases where it supports their interests.
>>519466 Doesn’t explain why people are still vehemently anti-communist even after shown facts. China man will always be bad man for Americans the same way soviet man was a bad man, and STILL is.
>>519202 >You can't program people with propaganda, that's not how this works, lmao do you actually believe think? even for a short period of time you don't believe normies can believe dumb shit?
KONGIES THIS IS WHAT THE COMMIES TOOK FROM YOU
>>521042 this looks fucking horrible
>>521042 Isn't this just that city from Judge Dredd?
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>>521042 Good grief that's way to crammed, it's not a suitable people habitat. Also consider infectuous diseases.
>>521124 Literal mafia city controlled by Triads. Which to be fair is how anarchy works in practice.
why can't china get to real socialism? what they materially need in order to move for it? is it true they want to do around 2050?
>>521138 You will get a different answer from everyone, some will say that the way they’ve done more privatizations and allowing buisnesses both foreign and local to operate is a big mistake, others will say its necessary to build productive forces so that once the state seizes control of the economy again (if they do by 2050), they will be in a much better place with much more technology and influence.
>>521158 but what kind of productive forces are we talking about here? it's always vague, having the end goal known would be important
>>521168 Stuff like factories, universities, ports, airports, etc. Forces which are used for production. Now, exactly when China is going to have developed these productive forces is up for debate. Some say it’s merely and excuse for China’s capitalist tendencies.
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On today's episode of Loud & Clear, Brian Becker is joined by John Ross, Senior Fellow at Chongyang Institute, Renmin University of China, and an award-winning resident columnist with several Chinese media organizations. China’s biggest political gathering of the year is finally taking place after a two-month delay because of the coronavirus pandemic. Called “Two Sessions,” the first meeting was yesterday and was a gathering of top political leaders of the Chinese Communist Party. Today’s meeting is of the National People’s Congress. Premier Li Keqiang will lay out the country’s economic goals and the policies needed to achieve them. And the U.S. government is lashing out at a new proposed Hong Kong security law. https://sputniknews.com/radio_loud_and_clear/202005221079394159-us-escalates-threats-against-china-over-hong-kong--taiwan/
I've been hearing recently that apparently the PRC was sending billions of Masks from the West to China at the beginning of the crisis, which supposedly is the reason why the west has been doing so bad. Is there any merit to this claim? Also what ended up happening with all the masks that China send where people are claiming they're faulty?
>>521226 >Stuff like factories, universities, ports, airports, etc. Forces which are used for production. China already has all of these.
>>521612 Yeah, which is why those things are under public ownership.
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>>521554 It seems that face-mask use which is somewhat common in Asian countries did slow down the spread of the virus There also are indications that the strains of the virus in the west might have been more virulent China send masks of varying protection levels, some of which are only intended to catch droplets not filter out viruses, those are not intended for medical use, but are optimized for daily use by regular people. There's a trade off the ones that only capture droplets offer less protection but have a lot less air-resistance which makes it more likely that people will keep them on because of the reduced discomfort. It seems that people weren't reading the instruction and falsely assumed that all masks were medical grade and then complained when this was not the case.
>>521624 So what's holding them up for socialism then?
>>521804 Energy dependence on foreign countries.
>>522001 Why would it take till 2050 to move past that?
>>522050 You need profit rates to fall in order to shift to nuclear and green energy??
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-23/xi-says-china-won-t-return-to-planned-economy-urges-cooperation?utm_source=url_link Xi just said China won’t return to a planned economy. This is a massive blow to socialists everywhere, a communist country admitting that a capitalist market will do them better.
>>522145 They’re investing heavily in green energy. Greening the whole economy does take time.(unless nuclear fusion actually becomes a thing)
>>522595 kek dengoids btfo forever
>>522595 It's behind a paywall for me, do they have Xi's exact quote? As far as I know, they want to let the market play itself out, which they see as a historical process not yet quite finished in China, so it would sense for Xi to say that a market remains for now. Here is Deng: >It is another picture in China, where the market currently plays a more important role and a fundamental one in resource allocation after the reform and global opening-up. However, the planning dimension is not missing. It is the backbone of macroeconomic regulation, which is stronger than that in any capitalist nation. With the opening up we have moved from dominant planned regulation and a 'planned commodity economy' to a 'socialist market economy.' No one mix of the market and planning is correct for all times and situations; it all depends on concrete economic and global conditions. Economic and technological conditions may not exist to permit the implementation of a totally planned economy, abolishing the production and circulation of commodities. But the market economy has its inherent deficiency and it is mistaken to idealize or absolutize it. When the conditions for abolishing the relations of commodity and money and implementing a totally planned economy arise, this will happen in an inevitable historical process.
>>522623 “ “We’ve come to the understanding that we should not ignore the blindness of the market, nor should we return to the old path of a planned economy,” Xi told political advisers gathered in Beijing for their annual legislative sessions on Saturday, according to the official Xinhua news agency. He reiterated the government’s stance that markets should play a “decisive role” in the economy.”
>>522595 For anyone stuck behind the paywall Xi Says China Won’t Return to Planned Economy, Urges Cooperation >Chinese President Xi Jinping said he won’t let the world’s second-largest economy return to its days as a planned economy, pushing back against U.S. criticism that the nation has failed to deliver on promised reforms. >“We’ve come to the understanding that we should not ignore the blindness of the market, nor should we return to the old path of a planned economy,” Xi told political advisers gathered in Beijing for their annual legislative sessions on Saturday, according to the official Xinhua news agency. He reiterated the government’s stance that markets should play a “decisive role” in the economy. >The comments come as China faces mounting pushback from the Trump administration on a range of issues from trade to its handling of the coronavirus outbreak. The White House this week issued a broad critique of China’s economic and military policies in a report to Congress, including accusations of intellectual property theft and economic protectionism. >Xi said the virus has put considerable pressure on China’s economy, and the country should seek “development in a world that is increasingly unstable and uncertain” as he listed risks ahead including a deepening global recession, a significant drop in trade investment, financial market turmoil, reduced international interactions and rising geopolitical tensions. >Chinese lawmakers on Friday abandoned their usual practice of setting a numerical target for economic growth this year due to the turmoil caused by the virus, breaking with decades of Communist Party planning habits in an admission of the deep rupture that the disease has caused. >They’re also using the legislative meeting to pass a bill establishing “an enforcement mechanism for ensuring national security” for Hong Kong, prompting swift pushback from pro-democracy activists in the city and condemnation from American politicians. >Xi didn’t address the legislation in his speech, but stressed that China should “stand on the right side of history,” adhere to multilaterism and maintain an “open, cooperative” attitude despite rising protectionism.
>>522643 >>522651 Yeah, that's almost toeing word-for-word the quote of Deng I posted. He probably told "officials" (I hate that they never name them, when they talk about "authoritarian countries" opposed to the US) a bit more as well.
>>522643 >>522651 >according to the official Xinhua news agency. He reiterated the government’s stance that markets should play a “decisive role” in the economy. I'd like to read the full quote in the Xinghua if someone could find it but Ah yes, this means China is looking to challenge tariffs based on the WTO rule that China as a non-market economy can still be considered price dumping even when the export price matches the domestic price of goods
>>522643 >Dengists will try to defend this.
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Are they based?
>>522796 what is that, like the chinese Stasi or something?
>>522747 They’re taking the TitoPill
>>522796 By far not the same menace than the KGB was on hand, but on the other hand that means they don't have the same fuck-ups the KGB did that can be exploited in western propaganda.
>>522813 They went beyond Tito long ago
>>522651 I told you so. I told you that the coronashit was the front of a coup d'etat by which the global bourgeoisie took total control of the Chinese government.
>>522747 when was the last time any head of state had to reassure the private sector that it won't just get harvested.
>>522595 >We’ve come to the understanding that we should not ignore the blindness of the market, nor should we return to the old path of a planned economy Does anyone have link to the original Chinese? He could have said "old way" (as in method).
>>522595 Who tought being a billionare wont have effect on your ideology
>>522796 They are very good at what they do. Basically cleaned out the entire US intel operation in one stroke couple of years ago.
>>523103 There is no proof that Xi is a billionaire expect wild speculation by less than credible Western outlets like BuzzFeed.
>>523111 sauce me up on that
>>522651 The source for this is Bloomberg
>>521042 No. The Anglos took it from them.
>>521042 The term “lawlessness” is used loosely in this case.
>>522806 Yeah the Ministry of State Security. >>522815 The NKVD and Cheka were better than the KGB. >>523111 Based. It's a shame we don't know more about them but I suppose that's their strength.
>>523549 You inserted the word never there, you think you're cheeky?
Oh okay, so after embarrassing myself by being a dengoid for a year straight, this is what I get in return? Every day I waited for something fucking based to come out of that revisionist's mouth. "China will begin a nationwide collectivization, as the next step towards socialism" or "We are officially announcing the 5th Internationale"... but what do I hear instead? A FUCKING DENUNCIATION OF CENTRALLY PLANNED ECONOMY. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU DENG, I ALWAYS KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU WHEN YOU SIDED WITH FUCKING POL POT OVER VIETNAM, AN ACTUAL MARXIST-LENINIST NATION. I ALWAYS KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU, JIANG, WITH YOUR CONSERVATIVE POLICIES. AND FUCK YOU HU AND XI FOR PLAYING IMF AND HAVING ME DEFEND YOUR FUCKING DEBT TRAPS IN SRI LANKA, LEASING AN ENTIRE HARBOR FOR 90 FUCKING YEARS, YOU FUCKING IMPERIALISTS. I HAVE HAD FUCKING ENOUGH. FUCK YOU CPC, TITOIST PIECES OF SHIT. YOU HAVE BETRAYED MARX AND LENIN, YOU HAVE SUCKED TITO’S COCK TO THE POINT OF CANCELLING COMMUNISM. HEY XI, DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A FUCKING MARKET UNDER COMMUNISM? I WAS BLIND AND BELIEVED THAT YOU WERE JUST FOLLOWING HISTORICAL MATERIALISM. BUT THEN YOU ANNOUNCE THIS REVISIONIST AND UNMARXIST FUCKING BULLSHIT >inb4 "Are you giving up on your belief from just one Bloomberg article?" No, it's fucking official: http://politics.people.com.cn/BIG5/n1/2020/0523/c432730-31720727.html FUCK ALL OF YOU FUCKING DENGOIDS FOR DRAGGING ME INTO THIS FALSE BEACON OF HOPE. CHINA WAS GONNA SAVE US. CHINA WAS THE ONE THING KEEPING ME FROM TAKING THE BLACKPILL. FUCK. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>523617 You are looking for the retards' thread one door to the left >>523106. Get the hell outta here.
>>523617 Xi repeated a line said 40 years ago and you lose hope? Ok.
>>523617 You was told 2050 lad
>>523617 hey, ready to take the Maopill?
>>523617 >Pol Pot 1975 the maoists were still in charge, idiot.
I've bitten the bullet and bought Micheal Roberts' recent arcticle on China for the JOURNAL FÜR ENTWICKLUNGSPOLITIK. Enjoy. <Roberts, Michael <China: Three Models Of Development <In the past 40 years, China’s growth has been phenomenal. And, since the global financial crisis and the Great Recession in the major capitalist economies, China has continued to close the output gap with the leading capitalist economies. Will China continue to catch up in the next 40 years or will it suffer the fate of the so-called ‘middle income trap’ experienced by other ‘emerging’ economies? The article considers three possible models of development as offered by, respectively neoclassical growth theory; Keynesian style forced investment; and a Marxian model based on the law of value and profitability. The neoclassical model highlights China’s comparative advantage of cheap and plentiful labour; the Keynesian model concentrates on the role of China’s high investment ratio; the Marxist model emphasises China’s exceptional restriction of the law of value in capitalist production: or what might be termed, ‘socialism with Chinese characteristics’.
>>524201 thanks a lot for this
Anybody who is at all surprised by this clearly never read any Deng or anything else written by the Chinese.
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Hey uh Xi, what's going on big guy?
>>524494 It means the old, soviet or Mao era planned economy which they moved away from under Deng. Basically all Xi said is that they are going to continue doing what they have been doing since Deng. I don't know why people are freaking out, literally nothing has changed.
>>518416 So was this real or bull? Searched up and only found this which is loosely related but seems to be no annexation or anything close. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/22/chinas-national-security-law-ban-subversion-and-separatism-hong-kong
>>524518 HK traitors days are numbered. This law can't come into effect soon enough.
>>524514 What's changed is that dengists can no longer claim China is under some "extended NEP", China's mixed market capitalist economy is officially permanent.
>>524521 >mixed market capitalist economy is officially permanent. Well, until communism. Again, China as for a long time claimed that their socialist market economy is superior to capitalism, as well as the old soviet style planned economy, and is the dialectical synthesis of the 2. They will continue using it, until they are able to reach the next stage. Now, whether you believe them or not, this is not new, this is what they have been saying for decades.
>>524525 Nigga they said there won’t be a next stage. Dentists are succdems the way they talk about capitalism and socialist synergy.
>>524525 >their socialist market economy is superior to capitalism, as well as the old soviet style planned economy, and is the dialectical synthesis of the 2. They will continue using it, until they are able to reach the next stage This shit reads so much like that meme/sometimes used unironically by "demsocs" shit that goes like "capitalism without socialism is fascism, socialism without capitalism is communism, the synthesis of socialism and capitalism is democratic socialism"
>>524525 Markets exist to concentrate wealth. No matter the mode of production. You will degenerate to capitalism if you keep the disease known as a market.
>>523617 Western Dengoids always struck me as engaging in an embarrassing level of wishful thinking and cope in response to the fall of 20th century communism.
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>>523183 >>523585 <Killing C.I.A. Informants, China Crippled U.S. Spying Operations https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spies-espionage.html >But there was no disagreement about the damage. From the final weeks of 2010 through the end of 2012, according to former American officials, the Chinese killed at least a dozen of the C.I.A.’s sources. According to three of the officials, one was shot in front of his colleagues in the courtyard of a government building — a message to others who might have been working for the C.I.A. Might as well rebrand as the Based Department of State Security
>>524521 I don't think it was at any point said that Socialism with Chinese Characteristics was a carbon copy of the NEP, only that the same arguments China-haters made were also made against Lenin during the NEP. The difference is obviously that China already industrialized and collectivized land, and that the opening up to a capitalist sector was largely in the sphere of consumer goods and services; but while the NEP was on risky grounds, in China publicly-owned and planned heavy industry, chemical industry, banking, transport, land, ports and airports, as well as other branches, obviously safeguard their system from a capitalist takeover. As I explained it multiple times, they won't go back to a planned commodity economy as they has it before, any form of sublation of the market will have to happen after the market and commodity circulation played itself out, then there will obviously be a higher formation and form of economic planning that will get rid of money and commodities altogether. I really hate to be that guy, but I'll have to give that Deng quote again and hit you over the head with it: >It is another picture in China, where the market currently plays a more important role and a fundamental one in resource allocation after the reform and global opening-up. However, the planning dimension is not missing. It is the backbone of macroeconomic regulation, which is stronger than that in any capitalist nation. With the opening up we have moved from dominant planned regulation and a 'planned commodity economy' to a 'socialist market economy.' No one mix of the market and planning is correct for all times and situations; it all depends on concrete economic and global conditions. Economic and technological conditions may not exist to permit the implementation of a totally planned economy, abolishing the production and circulation of commodities. But the market economy has its inherent deficiency and it is mistaken to idealize or absolutize it. When the conditions for abolishing the relations of commodity and money and implementing a totally planned economy arise, this will happen in an inevitable historical process. The point is, all the fake outrage over a Bloomberg clickbait article refers to a quote were Xi says, partly word-for-word, what Deng said before and that is perfectly in line with the CPC's outlook. I'll also say that there is a difference between production and circulation. In China, production uses mixed signals of material planning and market indicators, but then in the sphere of circulation, the market is more often used as a means of allocation. There is actually a difference between commodity production and the commodity form, which may dawn on you when you read Marx more carefully.
>>524201 It's basically the same in a more extended form of what he wrote on his blog about this, but thank you a lot for spending money on this and sharing it here.
>>524677 To reiterate my last point, in China the GDP share of private capitalism is impressive on paper, but let's say you have a private manufacturer of plastic toys, all the material, e.g. a huge amount of production cost, is produced in publicly owned chemical factories, e.g. the private producers is dependent on them, which is different in a bourgeois country where interdependent, interlocking and often competing interests of capitalist monopoly groups dominate the economic supply chains. On paper of course, the bulk share of value is realized on the private consumer market in the last instance, but that doesn't change the underlying character of the economy.
>>524677 >sometimes capitalism good >mix markets and planning GDR poster makes me want to put a bullet it my head I swear
>>524707 >sometimes capitalism good >mix markets and planning This is what I meant with "people have said the same shit about Lenin." Feel free to physically remove yourself though. I think it's pretty clear that what exists in China isn't socialism as in the first stage of communism, but the preliminary stage of socialism.
>>524686 I still feel very cautious about China while willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but would you mind explaining this? https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-18/China-unveils-guideline-on-improving-the-socialist-market-economy-QB6Vn3GVbO/index.html >According to the guideline, China vows to create an institutional environment supporting high-quality development of the non-public economy, and improve the implementation rules and specific measures to support private enterprises to enter the fields of electricity, oil and gas, etc. It also stressed to greatly loosen market access for private enterprises to enter the services sector, release more development space to social capital and increase the supply of financial services for small- and medium-sized enterprises. Adding more private development of the most basic levels of infrastructure worries me.
>>524730 The energy sector is firmly dominated by state-owned energy giants, for example the China National Petroleum Corporation and the Sinopec Group, but it hasn't kept out private companies completely, such as the ENN Group. I doubt that this means that the state enterprises will stop dominating the sector, but of course opening up the energy sector for private businesses is a concession they make here more than in other sectors, considering that energy supply is the most critical issue in regards to achieving self-reliance, and most private energy companies in China do not produce in Chinese territory but overseas as far as I know. I think the general development is that the public sector has been strengthened under Xi and is controlling the most decisive leverage: banking. Adding too much private influence is obviously a worrying element, but we always need to look at the power balance and the growth of the public sector at the same time.
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>>524726 They were certainly were a lot more socialist in the past is the issue. They’ve regressed and I don’t see anything showing the govt to be moving towards collectivizing. Workers are still exploited.
What's a good introduction to understanding communism in China. I have an extremely rudimentary understanding of Chinese history since the 1970s, and at best I figure that Deng began a trend of market liberalisation which snow balled with each successive leader. Basically, "what went wrong" ?
>>524821 Read some books by Anna Louise Strong - an american woman who later became a communist and started living in China and was connected even with Mao. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Louise_Strong
>>524821 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff_ZkwJmfWQ easy to understand lecture with an american-english speaking chinaman
>>524768 >They’ve regressed and I don’t see anything showing the govt to be moving towards collectivizing. https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1004505/how-village-co-ops-are-remapping-chinas-rural-communities "Regression" or "Progression" is a historical, not a mental act. While you can fetishize the communes of the Cultural Revolution, such relations of production are not necessarily "progressive" when they lead to an inadequate application of a historical materialist analysis, the same way the NEP was not a regression from war communism because war communism was never applicable to the material conditions in Russia beyond the Civil War. In the end it's the development of the productive forces that determines relations of production (just like the industrial revolution led to an absolute subordination of labor under capital, creating capitalism, even though labor and capital existed before) in the last instance, and when the relations of production become antagonistic to the level of development of the productive forces, capitalism becomes pregnant with socialism. This stage is already realized within the capitalist West that has switched to state monopoly capitalism, which means it turned to imperialism and super-profits to sustain itself, China has not reached that level yet. Only when we see a clear antagonism there, maybe through falling profits and stagnate growth, we can discover the true character of the Chinese state and who holds power there.
>>524821 You can read this book about Deng Xiaoping Thought. https://archive.org/details/dengxiaopingthoughtwujie/
>>524613 >one was shot in front of his colleagues in the courtyard of a government building — a message to others who might have been working for the C.I.A. holy fucking based
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-05/24/c_139082057.htm Xi Focus: Xi stresses analyzing China's economy from comprehensive, dialectical, long-term perspective
>>525794 I guess he saw the meltdowns here and is throwing us a few bones now
>>524730 Read the Michael Robert's paper >>524201
>>524915 So you think that China should embrace capitalism because it will exploit the workers and make them want another revolution? Because that’s sure what it sounds like.
>>525855 How does this make things any better, it’s just them saying it’s 5d chess.
>>525794 is he replying to us, bros?
god I hope Xi sends thos fucking Hong Kong fascists to reeducation
>>525877 Seems like they are just going to continue as they're doing then? Though I did notice >A third model of development can be constructed from Marxist theory. Most Marxist analyses of China consider that China is now capi-talist (Harvey 2005; Arrighi 2009; Panitch/Gindin 2013). However, others reckon that the Chinese economic model has components distinct from capitalism (Wen 2001; Amin 2013).
Xi Jinping: The Landlord Class Must be Abolished, Nationalize All Production Immediately [Link Redacted]
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>>526358 We aint joking about stuff like this man
>>526363 it's all a joke until 2050 hits
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>>526374 Are there memes like this but with china and 2050 communism
>>526378 Topical idea
>>525794 >Xi stressed all localities and departments must faithfully implement the decisions, plans, policies and measures made by the CPC Central Committee, and eschew the practice of formalities for formalities' sake and bureaucratism. Big Xi making sure the CPC doesn't fall into dogmatism, you love to see it.
>>525855 Those meltdowns were the usual hyperbole from people who won't defend the PRC anyway. Truth is that not much has changed in China, they're just sticking to the current course for the most part. Honestly, the endless stream of China bait threads are very tiring. No thought, just people jumping on headlines and kneejerk reactions. Also fascinating how quickly the thread yesterday filled up when this board moves so slowly usually.
>>526139 No, that's not what I'm saying at all.
Somebody was claiming ITT earlier that Žižek thinks "China is capitalism but worse" - turns out, Žižek's take on China is far more nuanced: https://youtu.be/hswrSsggyNA
>>526942 Why does he presume that the "western left" (meaningless term) rejected the authoritarian state? If he's shocked that Hong Kong protestors like Trump he's going senile in his old age.
Why doesn't China support communist movements around the globe if they really are committed to socialism?
>>527179 >SoCiAl ImPeRiAliSm!1 Reminder that it was PRC that fucked the world revolution with the Sino-Soviet split and all policies and leaders that came after that point.
>>527179 Literally nobody thinks China is actually socialist except for Caleb Maupin and the guy posting with the McDonalds flag.
>>527224 what a dishonest prick you are
>>527220 you meant to say Khrushchev
>>527249 The dishonest prick is China for labeling itself "socialist."
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have you heard about EASTERN LIGHTNING i was very troubled with my life before i embraced EASTERN LIGHTING i was lost and hopeless but now i have EASTERN LIGHTING thank the lord brothers and sisters have you embraced EASTERN LIGHTNING yet? EASTERN LIGHTING is the only religion that reveal god's management plan and it is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SvBGW-LvLI
>>527342 My God, this is better than Tommy Wiseau's The Room.
>>527342 >Wu Shuoyan (1977–2014), a 37-year-old woman who worked as a salesperson in a nearby clothing store, was waiting after work to meet her husband and seven-year-old son in the mall McDonald's.[50] While Wu was there, a group of six persons (including a 12-year-old), entered the restaurant.[51] They announced that they were "missionaries." After presenting their religious message, they demanded that customers supply their cell phone numbers for future contacts. Wu was twice asked to provide her phone number. She refused.[52]. >Wu was then beaten by two of the "missionaries", who used mops the group had brought with them.[52]. A chair was thrown at Wu, and her head and face were stomped.[52] One attacker screamed "Go die! Evil spirit!" while another shouted at customers: “Whoever interferes will die!".[53] The attack was captured on camera, with footage widely shared online. Wu died from her injuries at the scene.[52]
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>>527342 Dude, Eastern Lightning is fucking bugnuts. People don't know how hard Chinese cults go. They have carried out mass stabbing attacks, kidnapped rival cult members and to top it off, they also do river dancing like Michael Flatley.
>>527357 I don't remember this scene from Kung Pow. Did they cut out the subplot where Wimp Lo forms a Christian sect?
>>527359 >The group is anti-Communist, identifying the Great Red Dragon of the Book of Revelation with the Chinese Communist Party.[29] how convenient
I was looking at Eastern Lightning videos awhile ago after learning about them and this one was my favorite for the full-blown Scientology-scale energy
>>527253 more, recent examples?
>>527401 ...cultural revolution 2 when?
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Not an ounce of subtlety. They are just blatant about it.
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>>527434 I take back the Scientology comparison. This is straight up Branch Davidian and beyond. https://youtu.be/giZJtKtwxms
>>527434 ♫ ♬ Stomp the face of people in McDonalds ♩ ♪ ♩ ♬ For not giving us their phone number ♩ ♬ ♪ ♫ This is in accordance with God's will ♬ ♬
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>>527443 fucking kek that pic is going in my collection
>>527434 Looks like an ad for GAP clothing store.
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>>527448 https://youtu.be/iCp0LNXBaKk Last one from me. You get the idea.
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Why does Xi JinPing disrupt God's plan of making billions of dollars from his religion? He should be punished and his face stomped on in a McDonald's.
And here I thought the Cultural Revolution went too far.
What's up with the Israel shilling?
>>527570 Are these people evangelicals or somethings similar? American evangelicals fucking love israel because they think once israel occupies all of the holy land or whatever then Jesus comes back to smite all the bad obama voters to hell and they get to go to fudruckers in heaven with Jesus and the gang.
>>527572 Seems to be a very weird mixture of the worst aspects of different cults: >their leader is the reincarnation of Christ in a woman's body >they frown upon people who vote or politicize >they are afraid of the modern world and think it's Sodom reborn >Israel is a successful nation because they are devoted to God >God wills every natural catastrophe to punish us for the sin's (read: developmental projects) of the godless communist party >Christ heals the true believers The first two stick out.
>>527578 What do they classify as the modern world? That seems weird they put out videos if they're anti-tech.
>>527576 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fellowship_of_Christians_and_Jews So...what? Are you saying the Christian cults like SHINING LIGHTNING get some shekels if they shill for the state of Israel once in a while?
>>527582 Not anti-tech as such, but anti-anything-that-distracts-from-the-church. They name "hair salons and discos" as evil, ffs. Using tech to preach the word of the ALMIGHTY GOD is okay.
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>>527603 they are openly endorsing people to become martyrs against the CPC, hory shet
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>>527359 >beaten to death by missionaries in fast-foot-restaurant >>527363 >People don't know how hard Chinese cults go. In Europe and America the opposition to secularisation was just as brutal as this. It's just that it happened during the 19 century and hence the barbarism stands out less, because those were far more brutish times in general, you know beaten to death in a Tavern in the 19th century: not that unusual.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting LIGHTNINGpilled!
>>527641 I love this recurring theme in anti-communist propaganda of, one the one hand, having to admit the material wealth these dirty commies bring, but on the other "AT WHAT PRICE?!?!" - that being ofc, abandoning jebus spice or the shining eastern lightning or whatever. It's literally: material wealth is corrupt, spooks are good, embrace good christian misery.
>>527487 Lol, even Christian Chinese music sucks.
something i notice is that the eastern lightning members are heavily skewed towards women. While the other sect is guys. The eastern lightning prophet is also a woman. Is this tied to the rise of women in chinese society?
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Does anyone have some response to the whole “china falsified the numbers” shtick. This retard i’m talked with is saying that “china has 10 times the numbers of america” and that “america is still more honest”
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>>527695 >PROOFS? HELLO WHERE ARE THE PROOFS?
>>527678 >“Most of their believers live in the countryside, with little education, and they're mostly unemployed," he said. "They dance naked together in their basement—all female—and light up bonfires, like a party. A few days before the 2012 ‘doomsday,’ a preacher came to our house when my mother was alone, saying that the end of the world was coming and she had to join Eastern Lightning to be saved. My mom replied, 'I've arranged to play mahjong with friends and I have to go. I haven't got time to believe in God right now.' Good one, Mom." >[...] Paranoia about Eastern Lightning has been growing since the December 21st Mayan prophecy. They’re extremely violent and use sex to try to convert people. I’ve heard stories of Christians being burned, beaten, and told to kill their children. When they kidnap you, you usually don’t get out for six months, and that whole time they’re trying to brainwash you. >Eastern Lightning aren't just concerned with religion, but with making a profit out of their converts. "They're like the Mafia," he told me. "They’ve extorted 100 million remnibi ($16,453,755) from mainly poor, rural people. They’re extremely well-trained. It’s like a criminal element infiltrating your church. Leaders of Christian house churches have also been offered huge sums of money—like 150,000 remnibi ($24,670)—to bring their followers and themselves into the cult. The government believes they have funds coming from outside of China.” >Dennis told me how, by training leaders over Skype, the cult have managed to spread all over Asia, establish a base in Hong Kong and become “more aggressive than ever before.” https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7be5ya/the-chinese-cult-who-kidnap-christians-and-paint-snakes From this article I get the impression that these folks are basically parasitizing other Christian churches in China. It could also be a CIA operation, since it tries to radicalize Christians against the gov. Oh, so there's this leaked Chinese government document: <In order to evade the punishment by the Public Security authority, the cult stipulates rules and regulations such as “ The Measures Against the Big Red Dragon’s Spies, ” and “Details On the Precautions And Protections ”as well as rules of secrecy guiding the activities, just to mention a few, never hold gatherings as scheduled in advance except on short notice, nor release specific location but only provide a guide leading participants to the gathering place; scatter the gathering posts, which should change from time to time; post a watchman for each gathering, forbidding an outsider to enter; use alias and false addresses among members; register the pages and cell phones used by the core members with alias, and change the phone numbers frequently; request ordinary members to use public phone booth instead of home phones or personal cell phones; provide lodgings for core members in reliable but never the same households, which change frequently up to several places one day; request for single-line contact between subordinates and superiors, and resist confession in case of interrogation, etc. <In light of the information we have obtained thus far, the activities of the cult assume some new characteristic. First, the cult begins to infiltrate into inner circles of the party, government and the “Three-Self Patriotic Movement ”(TSPM), aside from recruiting members from massive people, so as to speed up its spread and enlarge its structure. Second, its core members secretly have got in touch with overseas individuals in an attempt to obtain support from some overseas infiltrating organizations. According to our information source, at the meetings secretly held for top-level core members overseas individuals were seen present. Thirdly, its political purpose becomes increasingly overt. According to its cadre’s disclosure, some of its top-level core members have been “elites” of “June 4th”students protest movement of 1989, who are editing books and propaganda material. In their conviction to overthrow the power of “Big Red Dragon”, they are actively seeking theoretical basis, draft work plan in order to recruit more members. <Our investigation reveals that “Real God” have committed a large number of crimes in addition to systematically recruiting members and setting up organizations unlawfully. They illegally printed and distributed vast copies of books and propaganda materials. From 1989 to 1999, this cult organization printed 870,000 copies in over eighty types of books, with printing cost amounts up to 880,000 yuan. Their funding sources and the volumes of print shows that the cult is supposed to have gained rich financial support for such a sizable organization. What is more noteworthy, this cult is hastening its efforts to infiltrate underground Catholic churches so as to increase its strength by uniting with other underground powers. Tangshan public security authority discovers that underground Catholics in areas such as Zunhua, Fengnan and Qianan have joined in hand with this cult. Some of its key members spread fabricated rumors and superstitious heresies, even with signs of causing trouble. In August 1999, its key members claimed, “The year 2000 is the end of the world. To save the human beings, the only way is to participate in praying for world peace in Tiananmen Square on August 14th.” Some misled believers were leaving Shijiazhuang and Baoding for Beijing for “praying for peace.” http://www.china21.org/English/docs/Final%20Report.htm Really high chance of CIA.
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>>527697 >the impression that these folks are basically parasitizing other Christian churches So nobody is going to bat an eye when religious communities are (ab)used as a base for spy operations. Religious freedom is when the CIA uses you as a shield made out of meat.
>>527719 It's not just the CIA that is problematic to China: >Pope Benedict XVI urged China to be open to Christianity, and said that he hoped the Olympic Games would offer an example of coexistence among people from different countries. Unregistered Roman Catholic clergy has faced political repression, in large part due to its avowed loyalty to the Vatican, which the Chinese government claims interferes in the country's internal affairs.
>>527570 These people needs to be re-educated.
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>>527742 no, u
>>527570 So god is america now?
>>527666 how come these are in English? Are they made by eastern lightning or just dubbed dramas?
>>527774 They are made by EASTERN LIGHTNING, yes. This is their official channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/godfootstepsen/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow=grid They upload like 5 videos a day on average.
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[NSFW] / [NSFL] (scenes of brutal torture)
>>527835 what the fuck is this bullshit?
>>527703 >underground church repressed by the spooky gubment >pastor shows his face on camera no problem
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Is it me or this actor in the bad cop role is a Xi lookalike? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-HsMP3rTO8
>>527769 Please tell me that McDonalds is shopped four satiric purpose
>>528004 >four For*
>>526942 >firzt I must say I am not trying to squeeze out of it very sympathetic of him to tell you exactly what he plans to do every time
>>527735 Luckily (?) the Catholic Church has in time honored shamelessly pragmatic fashion gone ahead and made a concordat with Beijing in 2018, against the wishes of the "underground" Catholic churches there. They did not survive 2000 years without the odd swerve after all.
>>527835 context? nigger
>>527703 >sky news
How can we get the MSS to help western communists?
>>528298 they wont. because they're not communists
>>528484 >Why yes, I do support killing people off to preserve the porkys profits
Are you ready for the newest hot takes of none other than Francis Fukuyama? Beware, the ideology levels are off the charts. https://web.archive.org/web/20200521043837/https://www.the-american-interest.com/2020/05/18/what-kind-of-regime-does-china-have/
>>528549 fucking lmao thank you
>The group's core tenet is that Jesus Christ has returned to earth and is presently living as a Chinese woman.
>>528566 Checks out tbh
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China is doing a similar shtick as it did post-2008: developing domestic markets. See webms for that period. It's incredible how dynamically China gets the upper hand, evolves, accommodates, while the West is rapidly going to shit. If this continues undisturbed the 2020's might be the decade from where historians date the beginning of the hegemony of Chinese global political dominance. China’s economic strategy shift shows Xi Jinping is preparing for ‘worst case scenario’, analysts say >China’s move to double down on a pivot away from export-led growth in favour of developing its domestic market reflects a strategic shift by Beijing to prepare for the “worst case scenario” after the coronavirus pandemic, according to analysts. >President Xi Jinping told dozens of top economic advisers in Beijing at the weekend that China was pursuing a new development plan in which “domestic circulation plays the dominant role”. >“For the future, we must treat domestic demand as the starting point and foothold as we accelerate the building of a complete domestic consumption system, and greatly promote innovation in science, technology and other areas,” Xi said in comments published by the official Xinhua News Agency. >Xi’s remarks suggest that Beijing is moving towards giving up the “great international circulation” strategy adopted in the 1990s that helped fuel its growth to become the world’s second-largest economy. >“It’s a kind of preparation for the worst-case scenario, including the decoupling with the United States and even the whole Western world,” said Hu Xingdou, a Beijing-based independent economist. >According to Xi, China faces unfavourable winds in the outside world, including a deep recession in the global economy, disruptions to international trade and investments, “rampant protectionism and unilateralism” and geopolitical risks. https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3085969/chinas-economic-strategy-shift-shows-xi-jinping-preparing “We now have to seek development in a more unstable and uncertain world,” Xi said.
>>528484 Since when did /r/conspiracy take a left turn?
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>>527779 When Mike Wallace interviewed Jiang Zemin in the 90s and asked him about the Falun Gong and how Wallace knew the leader, this was Jiang's reaction. He said "YOU KNOW HIM???" Like Zemin was basically going what the fuck are you doing
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>>528549 The article is very repetitive and says very little and it's only interesting if you want to see an example of the decaying lib intelligentsia's inability to map the world with their inadequate intellectual tools and concepts (totalitarianism, muh market, freedumbs, etc.). Here are the best bits: >Deng Xiaoping [began] dismantling the totalitarian state and replacing it with one more like a garden-variety authoritarian regime. [...] Chinese intellectuals were given the freedom to recover their own national history, and to explore the damage that had been done to those traditions by the foreign virus of Communism. I told you guys that the virus originated in the West, but you didn't listen. >What has happened since Xi Jinping’s designation as CCP General Secretary at the 18th Party Congress has been an attempt to revive parts of the old Maoist model. Xi Jinping is a “princeling,” the son of one of the founding members of the CCP, who with his family was nonetheless “sent down” to the countryside during the Cultural Revolution. Unlike other elites who experienced this trauma, however, Xi seems to have remembered this period with nostalgia and has done everything in his power to rebuild as much of the Maoist model as possible. The Party has been reinserted into every facet of Chinese life; Marxism-Leninism in the guise of “Xi Jinping thought” was inserted into the Constitution and once again taught in every school; and police power has been used on an unimaginable scale. Today there are more than a million Uighurs who have been put into re-education camps in Western China, in a massive effort to reprogram their minds and eliminate Islam from their consciousness. Even the songs sung by the Red Guards have been revived. Oh no, not the songerinos! It's interesting to note that to our resident ultras Xi's leftward move is completely undetectable, while the status quo libs are super salty about it. >The other big difference between the old and new forms of totalitarianism is Xi’s greater use of positive incentives. Stalin and Mao used outright terror and compulsion to win compliance with their policies. Xi has the benefit of the world’s second-largest economy [the building of which has nothing to do with these totetatotitarian commulits], and the opportunities that provides to create positive incentives for compliance. >Chinese elites hoped that he would deal with mounting corruption—which he did, in a highly authoritarian fashion—but also lay the ground for a more liberal China that would permit more freedom to talk, think, interact, and even criticize their government. They were bitterly disappointed when he moved in the opposite direction, placing priority above all not on the welfare of the nation as a whole, but on the survival of the Chinese Communist Party. "Castro taught to people to read just so he can brainwash them with propaganda" >in the early days of the COVID-19 crisis, when speaking honestly about the unfolding epidemic, as Dr. Li Wenliang did, was severely punished. it's simply not true <How then should the United States and other Western democracies deal with Xi’s China? >The pandemic has demonstrated how both Europe and North America have become dangerously dependent on the manufacturing capabilities of a hostile power. [...] The atrophy of Western providers of end-to-end 5G infrastructure is something that should never have been allowed to happen. >the military balance within the “first island chain” has been shifting very rapidly with the steady growth of Chinese military capabilities, and America’s ability to meet its commitments will gradually attenuate. It needs to confront this gap forthrightly, and either adjust those capabilities or find a way of scaling back its objectives. The fucking "end of war and ideology" lib is advocating for military buildup. Here's his only good take: >A near-term transition to multi-party democracy of the sort that happened in Taiwan or South Korea in the 1980s would be much more problematic. The 90 million-member CCP is not just a political grouping that directs the government from above, as in a parliamentary democracy; it is the government for all intents and purposes, and contains a large part of the capacity required to make the state work. You can't have an Eastern-Europe style post-socialist multi-party "democratization" process without it ending in an even worse social catastrophe, with a serious reactionary force building up. >What Americans need to keep in mind is that their enemy and rival right now is not China, but a Chinese Communist Party that has shifted into high-totalitarian mode. We are not dealing with the China of the 1990s or even the 2000s, but a completely different animal that represents a clear challenge to our democratic values. We need to hold it at bay until some point in the future when it returns to being a more normal authoritarian country, or indeed is on its way to being a liberal country. That will not necessarily eliminate the challenge that China represents; a more liberal China could easily be more nationalistic. But it will nonetheless be easier to deal with in many ways. >Unfortunately, over the past three and a half years, the United States has been doing everything it can to weaken itself. It has elected a leader who revels in demonizing his domestic opponents far more than his foreign rivals, who has blithely thrown away the moral high ground that used to be the foundation of American global power, and who has governed the country with such incompetence during the largest crisis of the past three generations that it is no longer taken seriously by either friends or enemies. #Biden2020 >Before we can think about changing China, we need to change the United States and try to restore its position as a global beacon of liberal democratic values around the world. pathetic
>>528595 >>528600 Zemin was a fucking character.
>>528640 Francis "Kill 'Em All" Fukuyama sucks so hard. I like how he basically says "well a color revolution isn't going to work because China has gotten wise to those tricks, and simply bribing corrupt bureaucrats to betray their country and destroy it like the USSR isn't going to work either, so..."
>>528578 >left It's always been faux-populist right wing "nationalist".
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Just wow.
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Hong Kong riots are back. So are the lynchings.
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>>528801 Was she, dare I say, EASTERN LIGHTNINGpilled?
>>528819 lmao she might actually be
>>528801 hongkies really don't know how to read the room, this will not end well for them
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The upper-class of China are liberal capitalist and will force the democratization of the Chinese system. How does this make you feel?
>>528954 Liberalism is probably the most marginalized ideology in China. The three big ones are the official CPC line, neo-leftism, nationalism or some cult shit.
>>528954 With what power?
White House says Beijing’s proposed national security law for Hong Kong could lead to US sanctions
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>>528954 >unsubstantiated assertion >How does this make you feel? meh sounds like Fukuyamaism
>>528981 >implying it's possible to sanction china without various porkies chimping the fuck out
>>528801 >>528819 SO BEAT BEAT BEAT, KILL KILL KILL, STOMP THEM RAW TILL THEY LOSE THEIR WILL, SHOOT FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER, A GUN IS THE GREATEST NEGOTIATOR
>>528967 Financial
>>529022 How do they convert it to political and military power?
>>529026 The same way everyone else does, closed room dealings, lobbying etc etc. >But Xi is different! No man rules forever.
>>529083 >closed room dealings, lobbying Will get both the porky and the politician jailed or killed. You are talking about doing this thousand times to thousands of politicians in the hopes they won't get caught and rekt. Simply not gonna happen. China isn't the USA.
>>529092 >Will get both the porky and the politician jailed or killed Hah, maybe you're oiling the wrong politicians then. >You are talking about doing this thousand times to thousands of politicians in the hopes they won't get caught and rekt. No, just one. Xi and people of his caliber talk to business men all the time, they get influenced by them in the process. Do you think he makes up reforms on his own? Of course not, not everything is about bribery.
>>529129 your "argument", basically: >by talking to porky you become porky
>>529129 Which gets to my second point. As Chinese growth slows down and gains are harder to make Xi will have to give concessions to the big business. Bad policy too will have a bigger impact when growth is slowing down.
>>529134 Yeah.
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>>529134 >>529148 guilt by association ...
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>>529146 >Which gets to my second point. As Chinese growth slows down and gains are harder to make Xi will have to give concessions to the big business. Why ?
>>529158 Because growth has been the top priority for last 10 years? Idk. Or are you asking about why excess regulation kills GDP?
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>>529168 >excess regulation kills GDP <right libertarian talking points
>>529173 I do think Chinese thought police is excess regulation
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>>529181 don't you have an Anarchist FAQ to study?
>>529228 *lick* *lick*
>>528801 /r/HongKong calls it "Street Justice."
>>529247 Also: they have several vids of the police chasing women, calling it cowardly, anti-women, and whatnot, but when these racist, pro-imperialist, vigilantes lynch innocent women on the streets that's fucking justice right there.
>>529239 Don't you have some racist lynchings to do?
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>>529168 >Because growth has been the top priority for last 10 years? Right and why would the CPC have to make concessions if business doesn't deliver ? >Idk. Or are you asking about why excess regulation kills GDP? huh ? deregulation is what killed market economies, because capitalists have to be forced to re-invest profits into production or else they just play finance lottery.
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>>529247 more "street justice"
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Pregnant civilian protecting her stomach from lynchers. This is the true power of Black Bloc.
>>529273 You gonna not give context like a /pol/tard? I severely doubt that there would be this much focus of the group against an individual who is some total random "civilian". Is she a Beijing official? Stop omitting things just to suit your narrative, it only breeds stupidity.
>>529259 >Right and why would the CPC have to make concessions if business doesn't deliver ? Are you saying business won't deliver? Do you have the facts to back that up? >deregulation is what killed market economies, because capitalists have to be forced to re-invest profits into production or else they just play finance lottery. Yet economic freedom seems to correlate pretty well with the GDP. Anecdotal but Estonia seemed to benefit from deregulation after the split from USSR. 30 years ago Estonians couldn't even dream about being on par with the Finns or the Swedes but they seem to catch up against all odds. Why? Swift liberalization not seen anywhere else. It's piss easy to move and get a job there nowadays. Before that people were worse off than those in Ukraine. >>529258 Nice projection classcuck.
>>529304 You seriously taking the side of honky kong?
>>529304 HKers have been lynching, severely wounding, and killing citizens who dare tell them to stop wrecking the city and it is well documented, you absolute ignoramus. Here's your heroes setting an older dude on fire: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hong-kong-protests-latest-today-man-fire-national-identity-police-shooting-a9197846.html full uncensored vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24uhVYrE1ho&feature=emb_title&bpctr=1590448431 Here's your heroes killing an elderly man for the crime of recording them on his phone: https://www.chinadailyhk.com/articles/119/104/163/1573799621736.html vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqWBIMOkMq8&feature=emb_title You useful, disgusting idiot.
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>>529310 >economic freedom <literal right wing talking points >calls others classcucks
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>>529310 >GDP You realize that the GDP can grow rapidly while absolute poverty and inequality increases, right? Are you that fucking market shill "anarchist"?
>>529290 >>529273 >>529247 >tfw you can't have anal sex and video games all day
>>529347 >Not rolling over people with tanks is rightwing lunacy >Not wanting some bureaucrats decide the price of grain is rightwing lunacy >>529385 >You realize that the GDP can grow rapidly while absolute poverty and inequality increases, right? Yes, it "can" but does it? Not always. Also the GDP still rose, now the problem is redistributing the income which would be easier. Also, are you sure that inequality just doesn't rise alongside with GDP as there is more shit to go around? > Are you that fucking market shill "anarchist"? Nah that shit won't work.
>>529414 You're making a false dichotomy between reducing regulation and the state setting prices.
Daily reminder that China is not socialist.
>>529450 Like a sore thumb.
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>>529450 this is what your idealistic freedumbs are worth in reality
>>529466 Like a Capitalist Dengist shill.
>>529472 You openly shill for the market ITT, you absolute cretin.
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>>529310 >Are you saying business won't deliver? Do you have the facts to back that up? I thought that was your claim, you said economy would slow down and that would cause concessions to big business, and I'm asking you why you think the CPC would make concessions in that scenario. >Yet economic freedom seems to correlate pretty well with the GDP. But the USSR economic block had a significantly better economy than the capitalist block, when their economic growth slowed down below 10% they called that unbearable stagnation, they had 1.5% growth right up the dissolution of the USSR. They really did not grant any freedom to private business, when they finally did grant ""economic freedom"" to capitalists their economy tanked so hard it took them 16 years to just get back to Soviet levels, also the reee market failed so hard that 12 million people died, people were starving in the 90s in Russia. In the western countries the economy had the best performance during the compression era ie where governments ran full employment policies did lots of state directed public sector investment and capitalists were very tightly regulated and highly taxed, and the finance sectors had basically been reduced to powerless accountants. When the neo-liberals came in and liberalised and deregulated the economy, economic performance declined again. If you look at China they did liberalise their economy where they got a market economy, but they boxed in the capitalists and didn't let them have strategic industry or political power, that's probably why their market economy worked well. Do I really have to spell this out for your the goal of every capitalists is to become a monopolist and charge monopoly rent, to play finance and then get bailed out via public money. And if you give them the ""freedom"" to do this your economy will go to shit. We know that given the choice capitalists will not reinvest their profits into production, rather they will increase their personal luxury consumption play finance lottery, and buy up competing companies, all which does not really benefit the overall economy. The richest countries on earth had intense state directed economies that got them there, most countries where the state really does not interfere much have shit economies.
>>529475 No, I "shill" for China to nationalise health insurance (at the minimum), legalise independent unions, legalise workers' strikes, not censor those who critique the Chinese government and working conditions from the left on Chinese social media including Cockshott's innocuous Towards a New Socialism book, and to catch up with the rest of the world in implementing a goddamn inheritance tax so we don't have to see as much of the shithead offspring of Chinese billionaires, landlords and CCP officials flaunt their unearned wealth and luxury goods in public as before.
>>529545 Currently a higher share of the population has healthcare in China than in the US. If the developing economic crisis doesn't prohibit them, they'll have universal healthcare by the end of this year, as announced in the Healthy China 2020 program back in 2009. >legalise independent unions Why? So that the US can Solidarnosc China as well? Are you retarded? Have you learned nothing? >legalise workers' strikes They are legal, webm related. >not censor those who critique the Chinese government and working conditions from the left Ultras and CIA shills ""leftist"" NGOs are censored (as they should be) but reasonable and constructive criticism is allowed from the left and right as well. >Cockshott's innocuous Towards a New Socialism That was kind of random. We don't know the reason, really. Who translated it, who started spreading it, etc. might have to do more with it than the contents of the book. Also, there's no fucking way the Chinese gov. isn't already planning ahead for 2050, and no way they are not already considering cybernetics, since it's the only viable solution for a socialist economy. >implementing a goddamn inheritance tax It's not that they haven't already considered it. Besides, it's not like daddy CEO can just simply give the factories to his children in his will. In any case, this proves you wrong on several fronts, left criticism not being allowed or the public being suppressed or whatever: <The private 21st Century Business Herald reported (in Chinese) on Sept. 27 that the Communist Party’s top decision makers will consider the inheritance tax at the Third Plenum, a key meeting of senior leaders expected in November, citing Liu Huan, an academic adviser to the nation’s State Council, or cabinet. <Since then, more than a million posts about the inheritance tax have appeared on Sina Weibo, a popular microblogging service in China. <“The inheritance tax must be levied, but the key is the threshold so it won’t hurt the middle class,” one user of Sina Weibo wrote. <Chinese have access to their current properties for 70 years according to land law, but they still have no real titles to the land, which would make it difficult for the government to levy an inheritance tax, another Weibo user said. Also, note the tone of the users. They know they will be getting shit, because they have been demanding improvements and the communist party have been known for consistently delivering the goods: <"As for the inheritance tax, if you want to levy it, I don’t have any problems with that. But first I need to know what social benefits do we enjoy: free medicare? Free education? Free pension?" one Weibo user said. https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2013/10/03/talk-of-inheritance-tax-sparks-debate-in-china/ >shithead offspring of [...] CCP officials flaunt their unearned wealth There's no way you could flaunt your wealth as a CPC official and not get fucked for it at the very least in the opinion polls (something already different from the West). It's also a question where they get the money. Not from lobbying for big corporations like in the US, for one, and they would face up to the death penalty for corruption. If a relative of a CPC official has a successful business, hence wealth, is a different question altogether. Now watch this asshole weasel out from the discussion as he always does, just to return a few day from now to post about "Dengists" and defend the HK lynchers against tankies.
https://youtu.be/K8eKp-xYVFs Guys what's this stuff? Is a war brewing?
When people say Xi "integrates the 'opening up' and the Mao period" what do they exactly mean with the underlined?
>>529737 the Mao period meaning the 50's before the Great Leap Forward, not the cultural revolution
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>>529531 >I thought that was your claim, you said economy would slow down and that would cause concessions to big business, and I'm asking you why you think the CPC would make concessions in that scenario. Countries that enjoy economic freedom tend to be richer. >But the USSR economic block had a significantly better economy than the capitalist block, when their economic growth slowed down below 10% they called that unbearable stagnation, they had 1.5% growth right up the dissolution of the USSR. 1.5% Growth rate for a country that we would today call "third world" is weak. Average Soviet workers during late 80s had the same GDP as modern chinese, yet one boasts a growth rate of 1.5% and another 6.5% even with Corona. The performance is abysmal when compared to richer western nations as well, like US. >They really did not grant any freedom to private business, when they finally did grant ""economic freedom"" to capitalists their economy tanked so hard it took them 16 years to just get back to Soviet levels, also the reee market failed so hard that 12 million people died, people were starving in the 90s in Russia. Yeah, Russia. There's your problem, Russia has always been a corrupt hellhole. Why didn't Estonia starve? Why did they thrive where Russians and the Soviets failed so badly? The failure has nothing to do with capitalism itself but the Russians running the circus. If that weren't the case then there should have had been mass starvation in Estonia, Poland etc etc. >In the western countries the economy had the best performance during the compression era ie where governments ran full employment policies did lots of state directed public sector investment and capitalists were very tightly regulated and highly taxed, and the finance sectors had basically been reduced to powerless accountants. When the neo-liberals came in and liberalised and deregulated the economy, economic performance declined again. Wrong. High growth rates are just impossible to sustain. The difference is that while west plateaued at the top, USSR plateaued at the bottom. Just look at the chart, how do you think these 3rd world, often war torn countries zipped past USSR? It was the free market. They didnt plateau at the bottom. >If you look at China they did liberalise their economy where they got a market economy, but they boxed in the capitalists and didn't let them have strategic industry or political power, that's probably why their market economy worked well. Chinese market economy is following the same trend as everyone. But you know, US still sustains a modest 2.9% which is still a lot more than what USSR managed towards the end. >Do I really have to spell this out for your the goal of every capitalists is to become a monopolist and charge monopoly rent, to play finance and then get bailed out via public money. And if you give them the ""freedom"" to do this your economy will go to shit. We know that given the choice capitalists will not reinvest their profits into production, rather they will increase their personal luxury consumption play finance lottery, and buy up competing companies, all which does not really benefit the overall economy. Ironic since the poster boy of capitalism is doing so well. You'd think America would suffer the most from Corona but it really has taken a lighter blow than most countries out there. Also, you are free to name another country with per capita GDP that rivals Americas and has the similar or even better growth rate. If it's all down to policy then I'm sure there is someone who hasn't fucked it up, right? >The richest countries on earth had intense state directed economies that got them there, most countries where the state really does not interfere much have shit economies. This is just plain wrong. Riches countries did not have state directed economies and the countries that are bridging the gap dont have either. Pure delusion.
>>529739 Has Xi been doing collectivization?
>>529747 Fuck no
>>529747 He follows Mao's footsteps in the sense of playing every faction in the Chinese government against each other
>>529709 Fuck. Let's see how this turns out. Perhaps it would lead to the "happening?" >>529747 I wish. But, no.
>>529785 You mean Stalin's footsteps? Is this ML boiled down? >playing every faction in the [...] government against each other Being conniving bastards? They truly are red socdems, their opportunism is just modified, like their capitalism.
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>>529636 >Currently a higher share of the population has healthcare in China than in the US. No they don't "have healthcare", China has primarily an employer-based health insurance model for most of their citizens where the employer is obliged to cover about 70% of the cost. I've read their Health China 2030 plan (健康中国2030) and they are still pushing for the bullshit Japanese employer-based multi-payer model, the bourgeoisie in charge of China have no interest in single-payer. In Taiwan citizens get full, unconditional health insurance regardless of their employment status. >Why? So that the US can Solidarnosc China as well? Are you retarded? Have you learned nothing? https://jacobinmag.com/2019/07/vietnam-workers-rights-international-labour-organisation http://www.industriall-union.org/vietnamese-union-welcome-new-labour-code https://asiatimes.com/2019/12/vietnams-workers-finally-lose-their-chains/ >They are legal, webm related. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasic_Incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_New_Left#Related_movements_and_incidents >That was kind of random. We don't know the reason, really. >and no way they are not already considering cybernetics, since it's the only viable solution for a socialist economy. Your buttbuddy hundred-millionaire (if not billionaire) Xi Jinping just announced on state media China must not return to a planned economy. Censoring Paul Cockshott's works was not "random," the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie of China is satisfied with their "socialist market economy" (aka capitalism) arrangement, which Deng himself said was modeled after the Singaporean political economy. >Also, note the tone of the users. They know they will be getting shit, because they have been demanding improvements >blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2013/10/03/talk-of-inheritance-tax-sparks-debate-in-china/ Yes they've been demanding an inheritance tax for several years and there hasn't been a peep from the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie of China. I can guarantee you they will sooner legalise fag marriage (to appease rich lesbian daughters of Chinese tycoons) before they ever implement an inheritance tax like almost all of their neighbours already have. >There's no way you could flaunt your wealth as a CPC official and not get fucked for it https://qz.com/1435036/rich-chinese-millennials-flaunt-wealth-in-falling-stars-meme/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-10-01/children-of-the-yuan-percent-everyone-hates-china-s-rich-kids https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/23/chinas-rich-post-photos-lying-face-surrounded-luxury-goods-flaunt/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/chinese-business-political-elite-flaunt-their-success-with-mistresses/article4619766/ https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/25/world/asia/chinas-elite-learn-to-flaunt-it-while-the-new-landless-weep.html https://qz.com/72953/chinas-super-rich-flaunt-their-wealth-online-leaving-a-bitter-taste/ http://www.chinahush.com/2011/06/28/rich-girl-flaunting-wealth-on-microblog-triggers-crisis-of-confidence-in-china-red-cross/ https://www.businessinsider.com/xhso-meimei-china-flaunting-wealth-2011-12 https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/chinese-rich-kids-go-on-the-rampage-1.2595099 https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/asia/china-richest-man-dog-iphones/index.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chinas-newly-rich-are-flaunting-wealth--and-giving-communist-rulers-a-headache/2011/08/05/gIQA801KMJ_story.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3586677/Rich-Kids-China-flaunt-bling-private-jet-trips-online.html https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1947333/chinese-buyers-property-canada-and-us-must-stop-flaunting https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/13/world/americas/canada-vancouver-chinese-immigrant-wealth.html https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/22/chinas-rich-kids-head-west https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1173695/meet-the-rich-kids-of-china-socialites-splash-thousands-on-designer-goods-and-luxury-trips-abroad-before-posting-enviable-snaps-online/ http://www.china.org.cn/business/2013-02/16/content_27967707.htm https://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-new-money-tuhao-chinese-criticized-having-money-lacking-taste-1429306 https://jalopnik.com/inside-the-secret-chinese-supercar-subculture-of-southe-1662640952 https://piximus.net/others/rich-kids-of-china-flaunt-their-wealth-in-front-of-the-world-on-instagram https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2015/01/16/nearly-75-of-chinese-women-want-their-mate-to-earn-double-their-salary-survey/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/12/survey-suggests-china-may-be-most-materialistic-country-world/356199/ https://www.ibtimes.com/china-confirmed-most-materialistic-country-world-even-luxury-spending-slumps-lowest-1512018 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8714097/China-tries-to-stop-women-marrying-for-money-rather-than-love.html https://medium.com/@TehEmile/chinas-ultra-materialism-explained-781a7e63b75e https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/exm5me/popping-bottles-with-chinas-super-wealthy-youth-104 https://www.quora.com/Are-Chinese-people-materialistic-If-so-why https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/22/china-nation-cold-hearts >just to return a few day from now to post about "Dengists" and defend the HK lynchers against tankies. Nice strawman, I couldn't care less about the protestors in Hong Kong, those fuckers are just as arrogant as the rich elite in Shanghai. Hong Kong has extreme income inequality unlike Taiwan.
>>516400 excellent vid. I believe that if socialism will be achieved anywhere, it is china. Yes, I am a pessimist
>>529834 >massive source dump >has nothing to do with the topic >>>/pol/
>>529854 Then keep living in your fantasy that the offspring of the rich elite from China (Gini index 46.5) don't flaunt their wealth that they worked so hard to "earn" in the """socialist market economy"""
>>529745 >This is just plain wrong. Riches countries did not have state directed economies and the countries that are bridging the gap dont have either. Pure delusion. WTF? All advanced capitalist countries, and especially the ones that caught up had heavy government involvement in planning industrial development. 19th century USA: protectionism Imperial Germany: state directed industry Pre WWII Japan: state directed industry Post war Japan: more state directed industry Worst Korea post WWII: state directed industry Check out Ha-Joon Chang's work (attached), or watch this talk (from 4:45 onwards https://invidious.ggc-project.de/watch?v=wlXbnuS6adc) > You'd think America would suffer the most from Corona but it really has taken a lighter blow than most countries out there. ???? It's performance is abysmal given it's relative wealth.
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>>529848 >I believe that if socialism will be achieved anywhere, it is china. North Korea already has some form of a state socialist economy (unlike China) but due to economic sanctions it has greatly hindered their progress. Their legal system, rural working conditions and excessive cult of personality are terrible, but they seem to be gradually getting better (Jong-un is a little more humane than Jong-il, who was a little more humane than Il-sung, based on changes in their legal system and ending the kidnapping of foreigners). Both North Korea and China have been materially improving over the past two decades with the latter at a much faster rate, but China has made a deal with the devil by sacrificing socialism (and introducing all the expected ills of capitalism) and ending up with a wealth inequality even worse than Taiwan.
China shuts down WeChat social media account claiming ‘US making dead bodies into hamburgers’ Nationalist groups and opportunistic businesses have latched onto the souring ties, exploiting social media to spread lies and push anti-US messages, experts said. “The US has been processing dead bodies from Covid-19 diseases into hamburgers,” was one of the last postings on Zhidao Xuegong – literally the Scholar Forum for Ultimate Truth – which had millions of followers on China’s Facebook-like social media platform WeChat before it was shut down on Sunday. In an article published earlier this month entitled “Nearly Dead: the Sinking of the US”, the author Mr. Cloud claimed that Covid-19 may have already killed one million people in the US and the dead bodies “were very likely of being processed into frozen meat, fake beef or pork, or processed into cooked meat as hamburgers and hot dogs”. “Cannibalism has existed in the US before … and only a few dozen years ago, Americans ate blacks, Indians and Chinese,” the author continued. The article had at least 100,000 readers, with 753 giving money to support the account. The account was closed for fabricating facts, stoking xenophobia and misleading the public, according to a statement from WeChat. https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3086073/china-shuts-down-wechat-social-media-account-claiming-us
>>529834 >No they don't "have healthcare", China has primarily an employer-based health insurance model for most of their citizens where the employer is obliged to cover about 70% of the cost. That's a lot. Insurance rates for citizens must be much lower than with single payer.
>>530597 dem chinks really hate FREEDOM of speech huh
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>>531744 >he fills my lower intestine with his love Maoggers
What are some sources on the Uyghur re-education camps? Is it true that only extremists are sent there? I don't know where to begin on this subject and when I try searching for info all I get is BBC articles and shit.
BDS China!
Daily reminder that a bunch of hardcore maoist teenagers literally ATE landlords and intellectuals in Guangxi province during the Cultural Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre
Socialism means popular control of the economy. Popular control of the economy means a democratic government runs the economy. China's government is not democratic. Therefore China is not socialist.
>>532006 You sure it's not a spooky porky tale? There's fucking radio free asia in the sources.
>>532032 >Popular control of the economy means a democratic government runs the economy. source
>>532038 I honestly think it's based AF
>>532067 How else could the people control the economy?
>>532006 That sounds fake as shit.
Uighur genocide.
>>532484 is based.
>>532506 Exposed. >interlocutor gets red in the face and turns off computer.
>>532594 Like voosh did with that libertarian
>>532640 Mapin is Dengoid, anon.
>>532484 genocide is when you give people education and jobs and the higher employment is the worse the genocide
>>532195 through the communist party
>>532823 but how would policy be determined?
>>532847 representative democracy through the party
>>530735 well, akshualy, freedom of speech includes inciting racist lynchings!
and would there be restrictions on speech and policy proposals within the party?
>>532484 is a story invented by the USA to split China it's the modern "holodomor"
>>533205 If you missed the Vaush v. Caleb debate, the former joust reiterated Biden's "muh weeghurs" point several times.
>>533214 who's Vaush?
>>533215 Better you don't know. Nobody important.
>>533215 It's a delicious vegetable. Good fried, better simmered.
>>527809 lol what the fuck, has anyone got a link to the source video for this?
https://twitter.com/dylanleviking/status/1264631386251517952 A thread on the 工业党, or "industrial party", that might be of interest. They represent an economic viewpoint that is neither capitalist or socialist, according to Western definitions.
>>527835 That end scene lmao
>>533214 Caleb should have honestly gone after Vaush for supporting Biden, since he was a huge China shill. You just don't debate in good faith with ppl like Vaush.
>>532484 There are more Wiggers now than ever before. Some genocide!
>>528801 >So are the lynchings. Looks like they're learning from their idols.
>>533214 >I say with full and 100% confidence that the United States of America is more of a proletarian state than China is. Holy shit Vaush is a fucking idiot. I can't watch any more of this.
>>528801 >1:04 >Old lady wering a mask in the eyes instead of the mouth. >Holding a crux. Is she a Karen?
>>533534 Karen knows no national or cultural boundaries, truly she is an internationalist.
>>533501 >I say with full and 100% confidence that the United States of America is more of a proletarian state than China is. Before the pandemic I would've agreed with Vaush that the US barely wins out primarily because of the higher real wages and slightly better work culture on average. Now with over 36M Americans unemployed and the "essential workers" forced to work without PPE, hazard pay, etc. I think you can make the case that China at this moment, if they're not lying about their virus cases, has better conditions on average for its workers.
>>533841 cringe anti-black shit.

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