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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 12:39:50 No. 8925
A general thread for all China related discussion
>>86626
Not very surprising, they don’t give shit about more terrible shit that’s happening in India, US, France and Ecuador.
It all always boils down to class and who possesses even small threat to bourgeois world order.
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>>86444


>>86630
>to eradicate the ethnic group's identity
Imagine unironically believing this. One of the oldest anti-communist myths in the book.
>>86630
>British tabloid starts caring about Muslims
Bourgeois politics does make strange bedfellows.
>>86634
>Complains about CCP being parasites
>Support bourgeois states like Hong Kong with an even worse disparity problem than mainland china
>>86630

Just for reference:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/02/25/china-our-cemeteries-are-full-mind-burying-your-loved-ones-standing-up/

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35659745

I think it is already somewhat well known that the Chinese state encourages cremation, but in that article from Foreign Policy it is noted 2 million tombs have been destroyed and bodies relocated in Henan province, located in central China, a region that is 98% Han. For one thing, I can guarantee you that was also a dirty process where bodies were exhumed haphazardly and bones left behind. Of course, it's fine to object to this kind of activity generally, the moving of a cemetery without the consent of everyone involved, but highlighting the demolition of Uighur cemeteries as ethnic cleansing without this context is clearly biased. That tabloid quotes Chinese authorities claiming it is to save space and create orderly, newer cemeteries elsewhere with suspicion even though that is literally their justification everywhere they've done this. Furthermore, this is the state that builds totally new cities to move people into. Clearly they are extremely interested in city planning and "rational" infrastructure. It is not insane or some kind of trick to suggest that they are actually doing this because they are trying to reorganize urban areas. Xinjiang is also the object of programs of economic development in an attempt to combat radicalism. This movement of cemeteries may largely be a result of new development plans.

Though it is clear that China wants to integrate the Uighur muslims into a pan-chinese civic identity, and I'm sure they are characteristically heavy handed about this. I wouldn't be surprised if a part of the rationalization for this rebuilding cemeteries elsewhere is to bring Xinjiang in line with conventions elsewhere in China.
>>86650
>the moving of a cemetery without the consent of everyone involved
This happened like 20 years ago in my town. Old cemetery was announced to be taken down because the city wanted to construct on its plot, and while not everybody agreed to it it was done any way, the bodies exhumed and given to the remaining relatives. I guess we are eradicating our own ethnic identity as well.

BTW: corpses are not the people you once knew. Going to cemeteries to play respect to the dead is the spookiest shit. Shoot them out into space or use them for central heating as far as I care.
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Satan called and left a message. Anarchists are dumb. Thank you for listening.
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>>86666
Hmmm, seems okay to me. I don't hate them, but they're pretty clueless most of the time. Bless their hearts.
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This says a lot about our society.
What are the HK protesters even going about at this point since the extradition bill was withdrawn
>>87483
It's pretty obvious what they want, just see pic >>87379
>>68593
Also Silicon Valley is so desperate to suck Red China's dick because China is the one market they have never been able to break into. All their apps, websites, and online services get blanket banned by Beijing, allowing state-sponsored Chinese clones and copycats to duplicate their product/service and secure an unbreakable monopoly in the Chinese market.

To see the full measure of their desperation to get in Red China's good graces, just look at Zucc's pathetic appearances at every Chinese tech conference where he gives keynote speech after keynote speech in broken Mandarin, despite the fact that never in a million years will they allow Kikebook into China no matter how much he grovels. Or look at Google's Dragonfly project where they built an entire multimillion dollar censorship-friendly search engine for the Red Chinese without receiving a single dollar of compensation, only for the Chinese to go "lol nope" and continue to ban Google from infringing on the Baidu monopoly.
Public opinion on China has been bad recently but that e-sports incident with blizzard has made thing even worse.
Pretty much all gaming pages I follow on cancerbook and Twitter are shitting on China and posting Winnie Pooh, the Tiananmen Square pasta and other related memes.
>>87718
It’s just American propaganda agencies hard at work. “If you say it over and over again, people will start believing it”. That’s the formula for their success. So much so, it has permeated leftypol too.
>>87721
I wonder if there is a mental protection or adaptation where this kind of repetition evokes a sort of rejection. As in Nope this has been repeated to many time in to many places to be trustworthy information

Any way should we make a XI admiration tread, the china hate is bugging me, there's a legitimate scepticism with regards to their promises of building socialism, but the level demonisation we recently have seen is not warranted.
>>87665
That is absolutly based
>>87741
Contrarianism is a mental defense against that sort of thing, it isn't perfect but it is a legit mental defense strategy.
>>87721
somehow the chapo reddit is the only one that seems to be going against the china bad narrative
These Hong Kong Protests are just an excuse to keep the pressure on Mainland China with the trade war. Plus HK being a fucking rented colonial state for the UK for a century no wonder these boot lickers want the colonists back. They don't want to be free, they want to be owned like a slave because they cannot think for themselves.

I might be going out on the whim here but this would be great for the CIA and MIC to get control of HK as a base of operations for continual disruption of Chinese imports/exports. But also gaining another foot hold close to the mainland if you include S. Korea. Liberals can shut the fuck up seriously HK is never going to be freed and would be extremely worse off.
>>86288
>>86295
They were not executing people for their organs. They only took organs from already executed prisoners who were sentenced to death anyway. Now they have stopped that too.
>Transplant patients must take immunosuppressant drugs for life to prevent their bodies from rejecting their transplanted organs. Data compiled by Quintiles IMS, an American health-care-information company, and supplied to The Post, shows China's share of global demand for immunosuppressants is roughly in line with the proportion of the world's transplants China says it carries out.
>Xu Jiapeng, an account manager at Quintiles IMS in Beijing, said the data included Chinese generic drugs. It was "unthinkable," he said, that China was operating a clandestine system that the data did not pick up.
>Critics counter that China may also be secretly serving large numbers of foreign transplant tourists, whose use of immunosuppressant drugs would not appear in Chinese data. But this assertion does not stand up to scrutiny.
>Jose Nuñez, head of the transplantation program at the World Health Organization, which collects information on transplants worldwide, says that in 2015 the number of foreigners going to China for transplants was "really very low," compared with the traffic to India, Pakistan or the United States, or in comparison with transplant-visitor numbers in China's past.
>Chapman and Millis say it is "not plausible" that China could be doing many times more transplants than, for instance, the United States, where about 24,000 transplants take place every year, without that information leaking out as it did when China used condemned prisoners' organs.
>And lawyers who have defended Falun Gong practitioners also reject allegations that those prisoners' organs are being harvested.
>"I have never heard of organs being taken from live prisoners," said Liang Xiaojun, who said he had defended 300 to 400 Falun Gong practitioners in civil cases and knew of only three or four deaths in prison.
>In China, despite state repression, family members can be determined in speaking out and seeking justice when relatives vanish. If tens of thousands of Falun Gong practitioners were being executed every year, that information would emerge, experts say.
https://archive.fo/25bG4
>>87483
A color revolution without knowing it.
>>87665
>Kikebook
Easy now, "comrade".
>>86448
Too bad for them the voice actor for that character is pro China
https://twitter.com/25yolanda8866/status/1178731499106922496?s=19
Gotta love the state of bourgeois dictatorship: Apple removes app that Hong Kong protesters used to track police movements following vandalism, attacks on officers
https://www.rt.com/news/470578-apple-cancels-app-track-police/

This is the inbuilt weakness of the capitalist political economy that fascism tries to overtake. Now we have a US government backed color revolution ongoing in HK and US capitalists are bringing down their services that would help that aim in fear of losing markets. Ofc in the fascist mindset this is the jooz manipulating the war effort.
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Here's some dumb shit, if this is true, some of these people aren't different to Mao's pack of red thugs. During the "Great" cultural revolution, Mao's little thugs will go up to people's proprieties and survey them. People were dragged out and forced to farm just because they were teachers, who were being seen as evil intellects.

"Day before yesterday, an elderly driver tried to circumvent protesters to dodge paying them, the protesters dragged him out and bashed him up to near death. Now, it's getting worse, they are going to every door in packs to scam money. They want to verify the political affiliation of every HKers and search their homes to see if they are in support of the mainland, HK government, or HK police on their electronic devices such as phones and computers. They don't care about what they find, if they aren't paid, they will threaten to burn down the unit, take all belongings, and kill all the residents"

https://youtu.be/OjUuMCd8UN0

https://youtu.be/jTe18Z3hyg4
>>88046
>People were dragged out and forced to farm just because they were teachers, who were being seen as evil intellects.
The division of labor and and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor has been viewed a great vice of class societies not just by Marx but virtually every fucking respectable anarchist. Overcoming this by asking the dear professors to do some productive labor as well isn't even such a radical stance, and nowhere near Pol Pot-tier nonsense.

Your take aligns with anti-communist myths rather well.
>>88049
>Pol Pot-tier nonsense
Your takes too
>>88061
The need to overcome the antithesis between mental and physical labor is in the top20 list of every communist since Marx, you brainlet.
>>88064
>since Marx
*and Bakunin
In your opinion, what would happen if Mao era policies were implemented in the PRC of 2019? Specifically I'm thinking of stuff like the Iron Rice Bowl, the rural education reforms, People's Communes and co-operative enterprises. China's already the second largest economy with so much already developed, not even mentioning how invaluable a tool China's internet would be if they restored central planning.
>>88049

I'm actually joking because this Color Revolution is literally like anti-communist myths with protestors fucking killing entire buildings of people
>>88064
Stupid shitnigger, what you are accusing Pol Pot for then?
>>88094
PIRANHA GANG
Not even Debord saw that the spectacle could reach its highest contradictions in foreign policy.
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So this piece of anti-chinese propaganda is being spread around on reddit.
>>88209
Anarchists on this board keep saying that the "raised imperialist propaganda against China ain't real" - they should be offered a set of link on leftypol, because this is getting ridiculous.
What the fuck? Is the media just going to ignore this?!!
https://twitter.com/sumtingwong2019/status/1182271161696022528?s=19
>>88257
who is he?
This all looks and feels like the Maidan protests 6 years ago, I doubt it will have the same conclusion tho given that it's just one city in revolt and not a whole country.
>>88266
No I mean the footage, not the user.
>>88257
Do these people know what that they are doing a Hitler salute gesture. And know what Hitler represents ?

You know before we miss interpret this, I know that Indians often think Hitler=discipline because at best they have seen a short video clip where an angry dude in a uniform bellows from a podium in a language they don't understand, followed by a crowd that slaps it heels together.
>>88267
Every attempted color revolution of this decade just feels like a rehash. It's so fucking easy to tell.
https://twitter.com/bernietxt/status/1182532790094573568?s=21
The fucking Blizzard shit was the nail on the coffin.
UNLIMITED COMMUNIST MONEY
>>89416
I swear to fucking god. PRC is schrodingers fucking cat. First they are the best example of how capitalism can create marvelous things and allow a country to grow. But then all of a sudden they are a communist state when they do something bad.
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>>89416
>UNLIMITED COMMUNIST MONEY
>>88257
that doesn't seem like the roman salute though?
>>89416
Dumb fuck, nobody knows what communism is.

This is narcissistic as fuck, but if it took me until my 30s to learn about communism the rest of the world has no chance. I know it is wrong but I can't shake that feeling of dread.
>>89424
Well then what is it? Black power salute?
>>89416
>Our authoritarims is China's fault, I swear!
>>89436
You don't need to spend longer than a minute to be convinced of communism's merits if you're genuinely poor. The problem is propaganda and a weaponized education system turning the prole's minds to mush
>>89451
The 21st century's next great genocide will be of Chinese, everyone is essentially using the tropes of antisemitism but applying it to the yellow peril.
>>89483
I would genuinely fight for the PLA if there were a war against the US, if I was given the chance.
>Comrade Xi got monarchist country defend his regime, and increase PRC influence in that country
How many chess he's playing now? BTW, Is China going to be full communist by 2050?
>>89483
lol

nice delusion
>>89499
I should have been clearer, I meant Chinese people living in the west
>>89503
Yeah, no.
FUCK hong kong and FUCK gamers
>>89517
>FUCK gamers
Based
>>89517
>FUCK gamers
Especially.
>>89483
I think everybody agrees it’s either Muslims or Mexicans mate.
>>89517
Agreed since that stupid ass esports guy got his shit taken from hom, all the gamers literally rose up to suoport a right wing chavistas hell hole. That is gucking butt hurt they are the prize jewel on China anymore after being a literal colony of the British.

HK should be left to suffer for their bullshit.
>>89416
No one is forcing them to do business with china :^) Private company, private rules.
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>>89579
This. Don't like businesses pandering to Chinese consumers? Nationalize your industries! You can't call yourself a Capitalist if you want to infringe on the rights of business owners.
>>89416
Damn, first they came for the gamers...
So I actually got the chance to ask a question to a CCP envoy at some outreach even. I asked him how Marxism is applied in China today, he said It's currently applied in the form of "development of productive forces as the current platform of class struggle", "integration into the world market" and "state management of human capital".

Uhm, what the actual fuck?
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>talking to rich chinese girl with business owning family back home
>ask her how that works with china's 2050 socialist goal
>she laughs and tells me that's just to keep the poors happy

It's never going to happen. I'm considering deleting my Xi memes.
>>90020
>rich chinese emigrants think its about keeping the poor happy
>when its about keeping control of the Maoist Party
Stupid fucking bitch should be raped if she wasnt a ugly gook.
Anarcho-Liberal false flag in case it wasn't obvious.
But yeah its american hour now so remember to sage their hysterical fears.
>>89956
>Uhm, what the actual fuck?
Is this what passes for an argument here now?
Also that's a silly anecdote. Who did you talk to, where. Did he have any authority? What is 'some outreach'?
>>90027
keep it in your pants
>>90029
Yeah i will keep it and save it for nordic women.
>>90020
That's something that totally happened
>>90029
some staff of the Chinese consulate. The event was organised by the local communist party and some non-party socialist orgs in a community centre
>>90146
>quote

He didnt actually say that though
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Turn the videos volume down so your eardrums don't explode from the sheer amount of ukulele.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThM32L94qQ
>>90147
Idk
I do remember him jerking off uncle Joe though
Bump
>>89956
> "integration into the world market" and "state management of human capital".
Heh. Reckon you Should’ve gifted him a copy of capital.
I’ve seen a growing amount of people on /pol/ associate Jews with the CCP and say how “the kikes control China”. Can anyone explain this shit to me because these schizofags just spew their anatomy and call me a shill afterwards, some of them even act like fucking children picked straight from r/unpopular opinion and rant about how we should invade China because of “mug human rights” and a bunch of other bullshit. Thanks comrades
>>55998
/pol/yps throwing a tantrum about “mug kikes and muh chinks”
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>>90165
Everything /pol/ doesn't like has to have a jooish influence to it somehow. Otherwise, the jooz wouldn't be behind everything wrong with the world, and that wouldn't make sense.
>>90165
>mug human rights
It's one thing when libs spew this shit but I've been seeing /pol/tards and other fascistoids crying about it and I find it to be extremely hypocritical to say the least. Like they think China's treatment of Uyghurs is a terrible violation of muh hooman rites but don't give a shit about the millions of other arabs killed in imperialist wars or even their own concentration camps of hispanic people at the border?
How many layers of mental dissonance are they on?
>>90175
/pol/ is completely diluted by influx of reddit magapedes since 2016.
>>90165
/pol/ is 90% larping.
>>90020
Well to be fair the rich Chinese could be in denial
>>90033
It literally did, she just used different language of course. If you live in Vancouver you get the opportunity to talk to lots of young rich Chinese people.

>>90027
Fuck off racist incel
>>90020
Just write a polite sincere letter to comrade Xi about how demoralising you found this exchange and ask her again in a year lad
>>90239
LOL the Dengist NKVD has a website for reporting crimes

https://www.12339.gov.cn/
Along with rules for reporting
https://www.12339.gov.cn/report/guide
>>89531

It's gonna be White Blonde-haired and Blue-eyed Communists gunning down non-White Nazis
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Do you agree with Caleb and his friend that calling China state capitalist is "loaded" and "completely undialectical"?

https://twitter.com/Extrm8or/status/1182715271322243072
Redpill me on falun gong.
They're all over melbourne and its annoying me.
>>90285

China created a cult that calls for nuking race-mixed places like the USA and it spread elsewhere.
>>90298

And Trump was in it so the USA is gonna self-destruct.
U.S. House Poised to Vote on Bills Supporting Hong Kong Protests
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-11/u-s-house-poised-to-vote-on-bills-supporting-hong-kong-protests

Congress will save Hong Kong!
Yay! And fuck over China and Xi! All the Tankies bootlicking China will be on suicide Watch!
>>90309
Okay, okay, ask me how i know you're a yellow ribbon protestor.
How does it feel to attack people for speaking a different dialect than you?
>>90313
I'm a Swiss Canadian.
Hong Kong should be autonomous.
China deserves all the suffering from the USA. China is a beautiful country with a brutal, authoritarian government.

I do miss visiting there.>>90313
>>90316
Hong kong is a city, not a country, and if it isn't a part of China, it'll be doomed to the fate of being a western colony forever. You can't deny that. Micronations aren't anything but colonies at the end of the day, the same will be true of an independent hong kong.
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>>90309
>"save" Hong Kong

right
>>90316
Yeah look at how beautiful China was before that evil government
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>>90316
>USA will save Hong Kong
DELIVERING FREEDOM TO HONG KONG AT THE SPEED OF DEMOCRACY
>>90309
They are just trying to provoke China
>>90332
I unironically hope the US is dumb enough to start something with China. It's gonna be like a nuclear-powered Germany vs. USSR all over again.
>>90285
They're just a weird anti-CCP cult.
>>90165
There is no proof of Jewish control of China. The best arguments I've ever seen them conjure for this is that China follows Marxism and Marx was Jewish so the Jews control China by proxy, and another was them spamming shit about some specific Jew who came to China to advise Mao and became a cabinet member or some shit. That's literally it.
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>>90337
I hope not, the aim of the CIA operation is to wreck Honk Kong, preferably making it look like china is responsible.

While it might be satisfying to watch Beiing give US meddling a close shave, consider that
Victory is when the chaos is over and the workers in HK get to move to actually apartments and no longer have to to live in cage homes.
>>90363
People wil probably stop living in cage homesonce the city is fully absorbed into china and the people of hong kong can spread out into less-populated areas with better real estate prices.
>>90020
keep the poor happy is the line to keep the rich happy till the day comes
>>90254
this is cool, I'm gonna report you all
>>90363
>Cage homes
I thought that was Singapore's thing
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Reposting for sharing - PRC 70th anniversary posters
>>90529
Nope those are HK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLrFyjGZ9NU

Singapore seems to have decent public housing
https://blogs.worldbank.org/sustainablecities/what-about-singapore-lessons-best-public-housing-program-world
If this is true, I'm not sure how they managed to do something like this, maybe the Sinapore armed forces benefit from this
>>90962
Was looking for these. Would you happen to have the ones with Mao in the background? Thanks
>>90962
I see Jiang is ascended to a deity finally
>>90962
Some anon made versions with Mao in the background instead.
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>>90962
>>90972 Good point!
>>90974
>>90993
Here's the second version with Mao in the background!
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>Mao was the founder of the PRC

>A.A. MILNE WAS THE FOUNDER OF THE PRC
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FREE HONG KONG
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>68693
>However we have a few Dengists who believe the latter to be true.
No they don't. You just need them to, so you can justify smuggling in glowie themes - complaining about yoghurts, falun gong sectoids, and honkies.
>>70602
>The resurgence of the new old left, Cuba and North Korea is far better.
They are small and irrelevant. Sorry, but it's
simple as
>>91341
No. They're not irrelevant. And what's "relevancy" anyway? Furthermore, onto globalization there's no real place that is irrelevant. What's true is that, at the state of affairs, they cannot overthrow the current order on their forces alone.
>>89956
>Uhm, what the actual fuck?
These concepts are defined and developed in Chinese socialist theory, it's pretty ignorant to just wave them away because you are not up-to-date on theoretical developments.
>>91358
>And what's "relevancy" anyway?
Number of divisions mostly.
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>>91318
someone edit this so the wojak looks like the generic HK Rioter with the facemask and glasses. Also put a pepe on his nightstand
>>91377
Put an avengers: endgame poster on his wall as a reference to pic related
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>>90322
>>90316
Look at how beautiful and democratic Hong Kong was before that evil government:

> Because my husband became ill and died, and in his lifetime borrowed a sum of money which I have no means of repaying; and as the price of rice is rising, we have not enough to eat and it is difficult to make ends meet. I am therefore willing to sell my own daughter _ to _ family which is willing to pay _ as the purchase price. […] When she reaches adult years, the family head will either arrange a marriage for her or make her his concubine
James Hayes, Women and Female Children in Hong Kong and South China to 1949: Documents of Sale and Transfer.

> Disgusting exhibitions of public flogging were reported to be of almost daily occurrence […] The extent to which the rattan was made use of was almost incredible […] The records of the Police Court, on examination, would show that there was more flogging in Hong Kong than probably in any country in the world according to the population. For the most trifling offenses the Chinese were being daily sentenced to be publicly whipped.

> As the Registrar to the Supreme Court stated, flogging was "a necessary punishment in a community such as this", […] "The whole thing has a political complexion. After all, most of us [magistrates and judges] are Westeners and virtually everyone who comes up in front of us is Chinese. For a Westener to sentence a Chinese to be caned in 1987 is politically very sensitive indeed"
S. China Morning Post, Nov 17, 1987, Government Moves to Abolish Floggings.

> We have been, are, and always will be, the consistent opponents of giving the administration of the law into Chinese hands, and we do it on the strong belief we have, that from the Emperor on the throne to the beggar on the dung-hill, there is not a Chinese who is not prepared to lie […] There is not one who is not prepared to be bribed […]

> There are no more corrupt people upon Earth than the Chinese […] They must be governed by English laws, administered by Englishmen.

There's more… a lot more, in pdf related.
>>91430
Marvelous
>>91430
saved and based
>>90871
Thanks for sharing
>>91453
Saved
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Twitter shadowbans Carl Zha

https://twitter.com/UnauthorizedDis/status/1183029906894213120

It's interesting to see American tech/software corporations forming a political division over China. Blizzard has a growing market in China so they're incentivized to keep a lid on anti-China rhetoric. Meanwhile social media companies like Twitter can never have a market in China so they unabashedly censor pro-China voices on their platform.
>>91430
KEKED
Great job
>>91743
>hillary4pres
>whitereich1488
Well memed my friend
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Xi warns any attempt to divide China will end in `shattered bones`

https://www.rt.com/news/470845-hong-kong-shattered-bones-china-xi/

Chinese President Xi Jinping has issued a blunt and unambiguous warning to any foreign actors trying to tear Hong Kong from Beijing, stating that such plots would not end well for the perpetrators.

"Any attempt to split China in any part of the country will end in crushed bodies and shattered bones," he told Nepal's Prime Minister KP Sharma Oli in a meeting on Sunday, according to China's state broadcaster CCTV. He added that the Chinese people would consider any outside effort to divide their country as “pipe-dreaming.”
>>91671
RIP to a real one, it's only a matter of time he's perma'd
>>91956
cultural revolution 2: electric boogaloo when?
>>91956
based
>>91956
Does that include Dengists too?
>>92458
Scandi socdems at it again. Australia is an interesting one.

Seems to me the range of inequality isn't that huge though. If you discount america and Russia, all of them fall within the 6%-14% bracket, so china is only slightly more unequal than your average European country.

You can see here basically the effect of partly socialised capitalism, compared to the unbridled capitalism of the US and Russia, the rest of the world manages to keep it slightly under wraps. I'd like to see the whole world, how China compares to India for example and what its like in Latin America also Saudi Arabia and Africa
>>91743
>destroy yellow man ching chong ling long hahaha
They're even more blatant about it than this. The only difference is that because the chinese jokes are newer and they didn't hear their racist relatives making them.
>>92474
>You can see here basically the effect of partly socialised capitalism, compared to the unbridled capitalism of the US and Russia
capitalism is capitalism, it’s always the enemy of working people
>>92474
>all of them fall within the 6%-14% bracket, so china is only slightly more unequal than your average European country.
So I am supposed to "feel calm" that China is on parity in a seeming increase to the Gini Index with UK because "same-same"?
Wikistrat (if no one has ever heard of it, its a group of people involved in crowdsourced speculation of how international relations will play out in the future) had a YouTube video on this and they basically spelled out the different directions that the Chinese economy will head. Rather than sum it up, I'll just link it because their take is actually kinda interesting.

https://youtu.be/9wd-HoqNArI
https://youtu.be/j-XYiVW8FiY
https://youtu.be/sK_6WNTen1U
https://youtu.be/2vUVNk-F9wA

Its been a while and things have changed a bit since then, so itd be interesting to compare their results from then to where we are and where things seem to be headed now.
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>>91453
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT!!!
>>91956
Nuance postscript: apparently this is a Chinese idiom, meaning that the Hongkies will destroy themselves.

wrt advanced 50c AI Carl Zha
>>92944
sounds like loads of cope to me
Some based takes from /ourboomer/.

https://twitter.com/Outsideness?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

> Hong Kong has been free in its recent history, and remains freer than any Western society today, precisely because it has had zero democracy.

> If Hong Kong is worried about losing its freedoms today, some kind of hardened charter city status based on the principle of One Country Two Systems is the answer. Democracy is completely irrelevant to it, except as a spoiler.

> The CPC would be sensible to respectfully acknowledge the city's tradition of ultra-light-handed colonial governance, but that's probably ruled out by the ambient democratic insanity of our age.
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>>92989
>dictatorship is freedom
lmao
>>93653
>A flying cow hit the ground and smashed like an egg.
LeBron has spoken
>>76320
>>83069
Was the Cultural Revolution justified?
>>95223
it was justified and absolutely based
>singapore
the government regulates the real estate
and there are some SOEs
apparently it actually fines racism too
>and the asian countries that were at least modestly successful
didnt take western kool aid
even Japan during the postwar had increased level of state planning
>>95312
Yep, all of the Asian tiger economies practiced protectionism + state planning. Free trade is only good once you become the imperial power and have the most advanced productive forces.
>https://boards.4channel.org/int/thread/112707267
>Imagine niggas rioting to become portugese. lmao
Fucking kek
>>86543
Why does China have so many death row inmates? Why do they like killing their own people so much?
>>96037
Because they are based tankies.
>>8925
Occasional bump
>>96037
It's a way of consolidating power. When you have this kind of revisionism in a developed state, mass killings are only necessary to prevent people from actually constructing socialism.
>>96037
we have to be careful when looking at numbers coming from china, they're a massive country. maybe per capita their numbers are average?
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>>96101
Not much better at all.
>>96099
>Falun Gong, triads, liberals, corrupt businessmen, human traffickers and careerists are "constructing socialism"
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https://youtu.be/0JDoll8OEFE

This is a good video and renews my belief in Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. They operate on a net loss to build long-term beneficial infrastructure that even connect rural areas which would be fucked under a capitalist system. The US needs two decades for a single railway and China just pops out an entire country connected by modern high speed rails.

Meanwhile, profit-motive driven Germany completely dismantled the railways that the GDR built, pic related.

At this point being against socialism is just being wilfully ignorant.
Can someone redpill me on the HK protests? From my understanding they're protesting a new law that would create an extradition treaty with China and that's bad because ??? meanwhile having extradition treaties with literally like the entire planet is ok?

Can I also get a redpill on the Muslim camps shit?
>>96153
Translation?
>>96158
It just marks the closedowns of railroads in Germany after 1994, the year the train agency was privatised. As you can see, former East Germany, where the profit motive didn't govern investment, got fucked in particular.
>>96154
r/communism is a shithole but they did a good debunking of the Muslim camps shit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/dape9t/an_assesment_of_the_primary_sources_regarding_the/

As for HK, just nativist Cantonese nationalism mixed in with upper-middle class kids being upset Han Chinese now have money.
>>96169
Holy shit thanks for that link.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/16/china-warns-against-meddling-as-us-house-passes-bill-backing-hong-kong-protesters

Congress will protect Hong Kong! Senate Republicans are pretty sensitive and might convict Trump if he vetoes.
China is fucked!
>>96169
Good link, had trouble finding the source report with the 8 interviews.
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Here's another old chestnut. You often hear about this or that historic mosque being demolished in Xinjiang. But what actually happened was the demolition of these newfangled middle-eastern style hulks that were put up recently with Gulf-money. Then when the terrorism in Xinjiang started (whouda thunk when you allow in takfiri trash), that got shut down real quick. Pic related, the actual historical mosque in Eastern style was preserved, but the more recent and alien gatehouse was demolished.
>>96212
>China is fucked!
No they are not. They are winning, bigly.
>>96218
>>96212
Gay white islam will save hong kong gamers from blizzard/china authoritarian capcomism.
>>96218
Why the hell does China allow Islam to propagate in their country? They should follow the example of a non-revisionist state and decimate the amount of mosques.
>>96101
>>96104
In China for serious crimes it is common for a "death sentence with reprieve" to be given in which the sentence will be commuted to life imprisonment in case of good behavior. This is often entirely lumped in with executions.
>>97132
>Instead of killing irredeemable criminals we should just subsidize their miserly existence for the next couple of decades
I though Chinese people are supposed to be smart.
>>97142
The only criminals I support executing are the porkies. Rest are just chimeral creation of their surrounding, created by capitalism.
>>97142
If they were totally irredeemable they wouldn't get their sentences reduced in the first place. And "reform through labor" in prison is still a thing in China despite laogai being formally abolished.
Also if they have performed exceptionally "great meritorious service" their sentence is commuted to 25 years instead of lifetime.
>>97147
There will still be crime under socialism. Capitalism just aggravates people's tendency towards crime beyond what it already is.
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RED scare 3.0
>>98263
CHERRY picking ∞
>>97149
>>97149
Precisely. Capitalism alleviates crimes of needs and alienation.
>>98267
Bruh, you forgot to turn your brain on.
>>98448
based spammer
Can someone tell me, what this badge is, which Xi is wearing here on his jacket?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXvogAz26sA
>>98519
Can't see the details...
>>98519
Highest honor of some Red Knighthood.
>>65955
>anarchy flag
ah a liberal
Fuck China and freedom to Uyghurs
>>98519
The secret allegiance of false claimers to be on the path of communism
>>98848
Can you be any less creative? At least finding the copypasta takes some effort
is /r/sino full of theorylets?
>>59082
lel
chinks will get this
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Socialism by 2050 GET!
>>99999
whoree sheet >>100000
>>99999
Still a very good get. Worthy of a screenshot.
>>99999
Now this is a GET
>>99999
>using my HK image for an ultra GET
Ive never felt so honoured
>>100041
what is a GET?
>>100071
<GET refers to a randomly generated event on image boards that is noted when a post's unique ID number consists of rare integer sequences, such as 1,000,000, 123456789 or 55555555. Such events are most prominently celebrated on 4chan, where many users deliberately try to time their posts in order to attain a GET milestone.
>>99999
Praise Xi.
>>100019
Is this the one about DiaMat that I recall him talking about like a year ago?
>>100075
Thank's for explaining, my friend
>>100106
You are probably talking about an article, not a book about DiaMat. Xi's article on DiaMat has already been released on Qiushi.
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>>8925
I'm in need of a Socialism with Chinese Characteristics redpill can one of you Dengists help me out
(Don't reply to this if you're an anarcho-liberal I've had enough of special needs children for today)
>>88046
"muh muh maos little thugs"
seems you've drank too much lead today friend
>>100123
Start by reading 'has china turned to capitalism' by Domenico Losurdo and this
https://medium.com/@leohezhao/the-long-game-and-its-contradictions-8ff92823cf68
Then read 'Chinas Socialist Economy' by Xue Muqiao (this is the Magnum Opus on SWCC.)
Also take a read through all of this there some great information in here.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VEeabfuAeAt_NU5KNHmGh0c9MKrQaIgtXExxmhmur68

Take a listen to these.
https://www.prolespod.com/episodes/2019/1/15/episode-19-china-in-the-era-of-xi
https://www.prolespod.com/episodes/2019/3/18/episode-23-western-media-is-a-f

Debate: is China Socialist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryaBIjSlteU

Deng Xiaoping
>The entire imperialist Western world plans to make all socialist countries discard the socialist road and then bring them under the monopoly of international capital and onto the capitalist road.
- Deng Xiaoping (1989 after student protests)
> “I am convinced that more and
more people will come to believe in Marxism, because it is a science. Using historical materialism,
it has uncovered the laws governing the development of human society…So don’t panic, don’t
think that Marxism has disappeared, that it’s not useful any more and that it has been defeated.
Nothing of the sort!
- Deng Xiaoping (1992 shortly after the fall of the soviet union)
heres a old Chinese documentary on Deng.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k70lCAaiPzU
Dengs Written Work and speeches
1)http://www.bannedthought.net/China/Individuals/DengXiaoping/DengXiaoping-BuildSocialismWithChineseCharacteristics.pdf
2)http://www.bannedthought.net/China/Individuals/DengXiaoping/DengXiaoping-SelectedWorks-V1-SearchableImage.pdf
3)http://www.bannedthought.net/China/Individuals/DengXiaoping/DengXiaoping-SelectedWorks-V2-SearchableImage.pdf
4)http://www.bannedthought.net/China/Individuals/DengXiaoping/DengXiaoping-SelectedWorks-V3-SearchableImage.pdf

Xi Jinping
>Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate? Why did the Communist Party of the Soviet Union fall to pieces? An important reason is that in the ideological domain, competition is fierce! To completely repudiate the historical experience of the Soviet Union, to repudiate the history of the CPSU, to repudiate Lenin, to repudiate Stalin was to wreck chaos in Soviet ideology and engage in historical nihilism. It caused Party organizations at all levels to have barely any function whatsoever. It robbed the Party of its leadership of the military. In the end the CPSU—as great a Party as it was—scattered like a flock of frightened beasts! The Soviet Union—as great a country as it was—shattered into a dozen pieces. This is a lesson from the past!
1)https://palladiummag.com/2019/05/31/xi-jinping-in-translation-chinas-guiding-ideology/
2)http://english.qstheory.cn/2019-07/09/c_1124508999.htm
3)http://www.bannedthought.net/China/Individuals/XiJinping/XiJinping-TheGovernanceOfChina.pdf
4)https://stalinsmoustache.org/2019/01/24/xi-jinping-on-marxism-reading-the-speech-from-marxs-200th-anniversary/
5)http://www.bannedthought.net/China/Individuals/XiJinping/XiJinping-ABrightFutureForSocialismWithChineseCharacteristics-2014.pdf

>"If you want to talk about socialism, let us not forget what socialism achieved in China. At one time it was the land of hunger, poverty, disasters. Today there is none of that. Today China can feed, dress, educate, and care for the health of 1.2 billion people.I think China is a socialist country, and Vietnam is a socialist nation as well. And they insist that they have introduced all the neces
sary reforms in order to motivate national development and to continue seeking the objectives of socialism.There are no fully pure regimes or systems. In Cuba, for instance, we have many forms of private property. We have hundreds of thousands of farm owners. In some cases they own up to 110 acres. In Europe they would be considered large landholders. Practically all Cubans own their own home and, what is more, we welcome foreign investment.But that does not mean that Cuba has stopped being socialist."
-Fidel Castro
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>Homemade Bomb Detonated for First Time in Hong Kong Protests
https://archive.is/F2c02
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>>100123
>food and drink, housing and clothing in adequate quality and quantity
I'm sure those non-Han minorities in rural china will get those any decade now.
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>>100296
Let's see how libs will defend this

they'll probably just ignore it but whatever
>>100324
>It was a CPC false flag!!!1111
>>100324
>it needs defending
Is all the fearmongering to distract from crises in the U.S.?

Another question, will the Guardian publish any of these that /leftypol/ might send to them?
I know this has probably been posted 100 times ITT but the irony is staggering. If this shit were happening in the US, or any western country, these people would have been ruthlessly gunned down.
>>100555
Doubt tbh in any western european country: the GJ were literally like this and they faced the same level of resistance the HKers have.
>>100342
Heard this a couple of times. Reddditors told me that the PLA has undercover agents stirring shit up.
Scientists have successfully teleported an object from Earth to space for the first time, paving the way for more ambitious and futuristic breakthroughs.

A team of researchers in China sent a photon from the ground to an orbiting satellite more than 300 miles above through a process known as quantum entanglement, according to MIT Technology Review. It’s the farthest distance tested so far in teleportation experiments, the researchers said. Their work was published online on the open access site arXiv.

https://time.com/4854718/quantum-entanglement-teleport-space/?fbclid=IwAR2wvGzEpfN3TTAsu0cyKm1s922tfd2FITZ15IrvyeWDc6S07QLLNmDje3c
>>100681
I thought quantum entanglement just means that two particles are like vibrating the same way? and that fucking with one means the entaglement is broken
>>100682
Basically, yeah. The idea is that you can send energy using it: or at-least information. This discovery doesn't bring us closer to teleportation: but to FTL communications.
>>100682
>>100689
think of it kinda like morse code, you can make it so that the specific state that you send from one particle to the other correlates to a specific letter, so what you send in sequential order can be turned into a message. that is basically what the Chinese are looking at right now, but further on in the future it could become more advanced in what we can send using this method based on standardization of what states mean what.
>>100681
Would like the to beam some yellow ribbon rioters to space.
>>61221
t. National Endowment of Democracy (CIA)
>>61330
>They are however funded by the "National Endowment for Democracy" who might as well be the CIA.
"National Endowment for Democracy" is the CIA.

Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, declared in 1991: "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."

Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy – William Blum

https://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-state/trojan-horse-the-national-endowment-for-democracy
>>65122
only to cite the US propaganda about this, I guess.
>>65955
>flag
>>68591
You forgot to mention the actual economic reform that helps people out of poverty and empowers a state against the global capitalist power. But, I guess those other issues must be too important to take backseat to security and prosparity of the people.
PRC? I love them!
If it wasn't for them taking in manufacturing and letting me exploit their people i might have had to negotiate with native workers! Could you imagine if in the 70's the american people realized that workers rights and capitalism are in antagonism? I might have had my MOP seized! They really helped a brotha (afro-american lingo for good friend) out!
>>82487
>Is a meme and most Chinese workers are worse off.
LoLwut?
>>82536
><Chinese Ghost Cities
>>85814
>the Chinese students were chanting “Long Live China.”
Good news.
>>85836
Not a reply.
>>100895
Spooky
>>85988
>>85989
>>85992
As a Tankie, I support this anarchist's support.
>>86010
Yeah. As much as the HK protest was funded and organized by CIA, this incident and a few others were not. But they won't go to waste for CIA to use.
>>86444
>I check it regularly to see how the discourse around China develops,
You like to listen to white expats?

r/Sino
>>87757
>Contrarianism is a mental defense against that sort of thing, it isn't perfect but it is a legit mental defense strategy.
Seconded. It is a hard form of skepticism.
>>88849
Gene Sharpes guidebook of Color Revolution (tm) to overthrow hostile regimes.
>>89517
>FUCK hong kong and FUCK gamers
Agreed.
>>90020
>>talking to rich chinese girl with business owning family back home
>>91956
based
>>99999
Checked.
CIA up to no good again. The anti China smear campaign is a washington creation done via its fake
NGO, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).
>How many Americans could identify the National Endowment for Democracy? An organization
which often does exactly the opposite of what its name implies. The **NED was set up in the
early 1980s under President Reagan in the wake of all the negative revelations about the CIA** in the
second half of the 1970s. The latter was a remarkable period. Spurred by Watergate – the Church
committee of the Senate, the Pike committee of the House, and the Rockefeller Commission, created by
the president, were all busy investigating the CIA. Seemingly every other day there was a new headline
about the discovery of some awful thing, even criminal conduct, the CIA had been mixed up in for
years. The Agency was getting an exceedingly bad name, and it was causing the powers- that-be much
embarrassment.
>**Something had to be done. What was done was not to stop doing these awful things. Of course not.
What was done was to shift many of these awful things to a new organization, with a nice sounding
name – The National Endowment for Democracy. The idea was that the NED would do somewhat
overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades, and thus, hopefully, eliminate the stigma
associated with CIA covert activities.**
>Thus it was that in 1983, the National Endowment for Democracy was set up to "support democratic
institutions throughout the world through private, nongovernmental efforts". **Notice the
"nongovernmental" – part of the image, part of the myth. In actuality, virtually every penny of its
funding comes from the federal government**, as is clearly indicated in the financial statement in each
issue of its annual report. NED likes to refer to itself as an NGO (Non-governmental organization)
because this helps to maintain a certain credibility abroad that an official US government agency might
not have.
>**Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, declared in 1991: "A lot of
what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."**
Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy – William Blum
https://williamblum.org/chapters/rogue-state/trojan-horse-the-national-endowment-for-democracy
Remember, all these lying shills who claim China is horrible bla bla bla have ZERO PROOF. Ask them
for the proof and inevitably they cite western propagandists like Voice of America, Radio Free Asia,
National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and other FAKE grass roots groups.
Posted by: informant | Sep 14, 2018 3:45:14 AM | 46
Source: http://www.moonofalabama.org/
Here is a list of projects NED funds:


China (mainland):
- Advancing Women’s Rights: $60,000
- Assistance for Human Rights Defenders: $272,000
(Probably money for an organization called Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) which has no
street address, but two persons employed in Washington DC and one in Hong Kong,
https://www.nchrd.org)
- Building Advocacy Capacity and Empowering Civil Society to Protect Human Rights: $412,300
- Capacity Building for Human Rights Defenders: $300,000
(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))
- Combating Censorship and Supporting Free Expression: China Digital Times, Inc. : $340,000
(https://chinadigitaltimes.net. No street address is given, but it is: «Supported by the Berkeley Counter-
Power Lab»)
- Defending and Assisting Rights Defenders: $60,000
(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))
- Defending Journalists’ Rights: $65,000
- Democratic China Electronic Journal, Democratic China, Inc.: $180,000
(This is the same organization as the one late Liu Xiaobo and his wife Liu Xia’s had. For their NED-
funding during the years 2005-2010, see: https://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2017/07/13/liu-xiaobo-rip-
but-we-should-never-forget-the-14-million-yuan-from-ned/)
- Empowering Environmental Rights Activists: $110,570
- Empowering Workers: $75,000
- Engaging Critical Analysis and Political Discourse: $140,000
- Ensuring Free and Open Access to Online Information: $200,100
- Humanitarian Assistance for Human Rights Defenders: $40,000
(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))
- Monitoring Media Freedom, Freedom House: $85,000
- Promoting Democratic Ideas and Values: $150,000- Promoting Democratic Values, Wei Jingsheng Foundation, Inc.: $68,100
(Wei got in 1997 «National Endowment for Democracy Award». The foundation is based in
Washington DC, http://weijingsheng.org)
- Providing Information and Analysis on China’s Human Rights, China Change: $73,000
(Washington DC, https://chinachange.org)
- Raising Public Awareness of Civil Society Developments in China, Center for International Private
Enterprise (CIPE): $215,643
(Washington DC, https://www.cipe.org)
- Religious Freedom, Rights Defense, and Rule of Law: $40,000
- Strengthening Civil Society for Policy and Legal Accountability: $172,000
- Strengthening Organizational and Advocacy Capacity for Community-Based Organizations: $110,000
- Strengthening the Rule of Law to Protect Human Rights and Public Participation Rule of Law:
$280,000
- Strengthening Worker Rights and Representation: $90,000
- Supporting and Empowering Human Rights Lawyers: $238,000
(Probably China Human Rights Lawyers Concern Group in Hong Kong, http://www.chrlawyers.hk/en)
- Supporting Civic Participation in Public Governance, Center for International Private Enterprise
(CIPE): $234,160
(Washington DC, https://www.cipe.org)
- Supporting Free Expression and Open Debate, Princeton China Initiative: $40,000
(Connected with Perry Link, http://www.princeton.edu/paw/archive_new/PAW04-05/08-
0209/perspective.html)
- Supporting Grassroots NGOs: $90,000
- Supporting Labor Rights: $63,500
- Sustaining Civil Society in a Repressive Operating Environment, International Republican Institute
(IRI): $600,000
(Washington DC, https://www.iri.org)
-Worker Rights Awareness, Solidarity Center (SC): $335,650
(Washington DC, https://www.solidaritycenter.org)
Tibet:
- A Symposium for Tibetan Intellectuals and Artists, Filming for Tibet: $60,000(Switzerland, http://www.filmingfortibet.org)
- Amplifying Voices from Tibet, The Tibet Relief Fund of the United Kingdom: $22,150
(London, http://www.tibetrelieffund.co.uk)
- Building Networks in Defense of Rights and the Environment, Students for a Free Tibet, Inc.: $40,000
(New York, https://www.studentsforafreetibet.org)
- Demton Khang, The Tibet Museum: $210,000
(Dharamsala, India, http://tibetmuseum.org)
- Empowering a New Generation of Tibetan Leaders, Rights Action Lab Inc.: $50,000
(No address. But they write: Rights Action Lab is incorporated in the United States as a Not-for-Profit
Organization, http://rightsactionlab.org)
- Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy: $35,500
(Dharamsala, http://tchrd.org)
- International Advocacy for Human Rights in Tibet, Tibet Justice Center: $58,000
(Oakland, CA, http://www.tibetjustice.org)
- Promoting Conflict Resolution and Democratic Processes, Tibetan Centre for Conflict Resolution:
$25,000
(Dharamsala, http://www.tccr.org)
- Strengthening International Support for Human Rights in Tibet, International Tibet Network:
$110,000
(San Francisco, CA, https://tibetnetwork.org)
- Strengthening the Tibetan Movement, Campaigning and Leadership Training Students for a Free
Tibet, Inc.: $50,000
(New York, https://www.studentsforafreetibet.org)
- Tibet Express Newspaper, Khawa Karpo Tibet Culture Centre: $35,000
(Dharamsala, http://tibetexpress.net)
- Tibet Times Newspaper, Tibetan Literacy Society: $43,000
(Probably Dharamsala, http://tibettimes.net)
- Tibetan Community Development Fund Inc.: $33,000
(Washington DC, https://tibetoffice.org/tdcf-under-construction)
- Voice of Tibet: Independent Shortwave Tibetan Radio: $34,700(Based in Norway, https://www.vot.org)
Xinjiang:
- Advocacy and Outreach for Uyghur Human Rights, Uyghur Human Rights Project: $310,000
(Washington DC, https://uhrp.org)
- Uyghur Human Rights Advocacy, World Uyghur Congress: $246,000
(Munich, Germany, http://www.uyghurcongress.org/en)
Hong Kong:
- Expanding Worker Rights and Democracy, Solidarity Center (SC): $130,800
(Washington DC, https://www.solidaritycenter.org)
- Strengthening Democratic Institutions and Human Rights Protection: $105,000
- Supporting Civic Engagement on Fundamental Rights, National Democratic Institute for International
Affairs (NDI): $300,000
(Washington DC, https://www.ndi.org)
>>100937
How many people want to guess 'empowering workers' goes towards empowering foreign state industry workers against their governments?
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>>100937
>>100938
>>100939
>>100940
>tfw your tax dollars are going straight to the BTFOing of Dengists
>>100945
Isn't imperialism great?
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Only China can save us from capitalism. Take the Deng pill and uphold Xi Jinping thought.
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>>101003
>Take the Deng pill and uphold Xi Jinping thought.
LOL with all these pills it makes sense why chinese peepees are so small
"Improving people's livelihood and well-being is the primary goal of development".
https://youtu.be/m_ds-XKtVds
Viper - The Chinese Aint Do Tiananmen Square, I Did
>>100278
Very based anon thank you!
>>65907
>Most european democracies don't have term limits.
That's not really a great argument against having term limits.
>>65947
>That's why politicians in the west don't think in long term.
Europe is in the west.
>>101012
Too much cash
Comin too fast
Viper is dengist confirmed
PRC 5-year plan:
>20,000 new apartments that will be unused
>15 new artificial cities that will contain zero people
>100 new internm- er, re-education camps
>40,000 more dead Uighurs
>Find two more religions to oppress
>Harvest a record amount of organs from yoga practitioners
>2 new layers to the great firewall
>3 new African countries to coloni- uh, liberate
>>101039
Ok, glowie
>>101047
>Anyone against China is a federal agent
Get help, scizo.
>>101039
>>>>literal western propaganda

>15 new artificial cities that will contain zero people
<what is central planning?
>20,000 new apartments that will be unused
<impressive compared to capitalism
>100 new internm- er, re-education camps
<I would prefer if wahhabists radicalized them
>>101053 (me)
also
>Find two more religions to oppress
<i would perfer the masses sedated and unthinking
>3 new African countries to coloni- uh, liberate
<implying its worse than western colonization
>>101053
>>101055
Nice job taking the bait, idiot.
>>82414
If the chinks make the roast seethe, I'm all for them
>>100286
I need the source of these quotes! Please!
>>82414
What’s the name of the software? just curious, nothing else.
>>101039
you mean like empty cities a few years ago that started getting filled soon? you do know what planning is right? it is acting and building houses before people need them, so when they do need them in a year or two they are already available to people
>>101403
Gonna need a source for this one
>>101515
>tfw your vast country filled with a billion people just decides to build cities for literally no reason
It's not like a country populated by a billion people would need new homes being built :^)
>>101517
Who says they actually need new homes though, shithead? For all you know, they could be content living in the cities that they already reside in.

Still waiting for that article btw
>>101518
These are the same accusations people throw at DPRK. The burden of proof is on you faggots.
>>101520
do you even read you own sources retard ?

>Many developments criticized as ghost cities did materialize into economically vibrant areas when given enough time to develop, such as Pudong, Zhujiang New Town, Zhengdong New Area, Tianducheng and malls such as the Golden Resources Mall and South China Mall.[11] While many developments failed to live up to initial lofty promises, most of them eventually became occupied when given enough time.[7] The "ghost city" moniker has been criticized for "calling the game at halftime".[4]
>Ordos Kangbashi is often seen as the one of the first and most prominent examples of the international Chinese ghost city phenomenon and fascination. Some journalists have pointed to the Ordos Kangbashi ghost city stories as an example of Western media hastily and often misinformed reporting of developments in China. Reporting that often eschews perspectives of local officials and experts in favor attracting readers unfamiliar with China’s development model and bemused at China's perceived backwardness.[12] As of 2015, it was reported that Ordos Kangbashi has a population of 100,000 people, 80 percent of which are full time residents, with the remainder commuting daily from nearby Dongsheng for work.
>Wade Shepard, author of Ghost Cities of China,[1] visited a number of the so called 'ghost cities' several years after they had come under publicity, and noted that:[13]
>Today, China’s so-called ghost cities that were so prevalently showcased in 2013 and 2014 (...) have filled up to the point of being functioning, normal cities
>After investigation, Chicago-based photographer Kai Caemmerer also noted the discrepancy between the news reports and actual situation. The cities are product of plan-driven economy that many cities are not expected to be complete or vibrant after 15 years of construction. He noted:
>Digging a little bit deeper, it became fairly clear that many of these ‘ghost cities’ were not at all abandoned or defunct, as they had been depicted, but rather just very new.

fucking wikipedia ridicule your propaganda you absolute moron
>>101520
Yea anon! Why dont you supply real sources like the Global Times, amirite guys?
>>102263
>landlord rehabilitation
Looks like Sino-Reganism isn’t far from the course.
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feels like pure shit just want mao back
>>102263
>China created evil stereotypes of the landlord class through sophisticated top-down propaganda techniques
Because peasants on the ground just loved their landlords and needed brainwashing to hate them, sure.
>>102378
>that greentext
Not quite the point from moi
>>102378
>>China created evil stereotypes of the landlord class through sophisticated top-down propaganda techniques
Good job.
>>102370
Imagine the cultural revolution in our digitally interconnected era main gott
Any good sources on the quality of the chinese welfare system? I keep hearing from westerners that its supposedly trash.
>>102638
>quality of the chinese welfare system? I keep hearing from westerners that its supposedly trash.
compared to most of the first world, especially nordic countries, yes. it's easy to forget china is a developing country when you look at the fancy buildings and trains in shanghai
>We have opened 14 large and medium-sized coastal cities. We welcome foreign investment and advanced techniques. Management is also a technique. Will they undermine our socialism? Not likely, because the socialist sector is the mainstay of our economy. Our socialist economic base is so huge that it can absorb tens and hundreds of billions of dollars' worth of foreign funds without being shaken.
is this still true today?
>>102960
>it's easy to forget china is a developing country when you look at the fancy buildings and trains in shanghai
Yeah GDP per capita is like Mexico or Brazil. China is a pretty poor country in a lot of respects.
>>104546
And yet it has more billionaires than either.
reminder to donate to Jason Unruhe today for his trip
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how are the dengists winning the arguments in this thread?
come on, western communists,
drive out the roaders
>>105011
What trip? Is he going to visit China?
>>105028
>how are the dengists winning the arguments in this thread? come on, western communists, drive out the roaders.

Most people, even the resident dengists will argue against market economy, and in principle favour something like a cybernetically planed economy, but see China on a vector that has a plausible socialist future. And it's improving the material conditions of large amounts of workers. Additionally in China political authority overrules capital, and because China is so gigantic and powerful, the neo-liberal agenda of rolling out "Thirdworldization" globally and universally got cancelled.
Apparently there is going to be universal health care implemented in China, and there is already partially.
Confucian is the believe that bound people with gratefulness. and ancestor worshiping. For this reason any person who dares to call him/herself chinese who doesn't want to restore mandate of heaven is a traitor, and shouldn't call themselves chinese therefor china(middle land) doesn't exist anymore If no one wish to restore mandate of heaven again. This what dude I know who studies chinese culture tell me today.
>>8925
Yeah I support Hong Kong, HONG KONG'S REPATRIATION TO CHINA!
>>86359I
>everything burger is VIA

no
>>107519
Taoism big gay
You are all traitors REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>107665
t. salty dengiod

COMMUNISM by 205000!
>>105028
They arent winning the arguments they just virtue signal.
>>105080
>and because China is so gigantic and powerful, the neo-liberal agenda of rolling out "Thirdworldization" globally and universally got cancelled.
China has benefited from neo-liberal policies from the 1970s, I doubt that China "cancelled" neo-liberalism as austerity and FTA's had increased. Chinese fear being known as their plans tend be quite insidious. Anyone can know China and the sooner it happens the better. The guy in the video talking about the China government controlling capital, well, if the party members are the billionaires that dictate policy thats like the US Congress.
>>105204
Apparently wrong, its like the Americunt health system https://international.commonwealthfund.org/countries/china/
This is getting ridiculous.

>Whistleblower who escaped Chinese 're-education camp' reveals horrors of the gulag: Ex-teacher tells how inmates were flayed, raped by guards in front of other prisoners, and given injections that made them infertile
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7599941/Whistleblower-escaped-Chinese-education-camp-reveals-horrors.html

Predictably, reddit liberals are eating it up and calling for nuclear war on China. Until they're reminded that all the things that they like are made in China, including their gaming consoles and their wacky novelty nic-nacs that impress their white, Liberal, nerdy friends.
>>107686
hello data-poster-anon, first i want to express gratitude for the effort.

Second i want to request you post the rate of change of the gini coefficient, because current-state is less relevant than the trend.
>>105028
>Xiangyu ☭ Rapper
post pic with timestamp
>>109375
Sounds like the DPRK camps where supposedly your child and grandchild are born in the camp but simultaneously all prisoners found to be pregnant are executed.
>>109375
>This is getting ridiculous.
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Bourgeois press having a normal one.
>>109464
Spock is a dengist and no I will not take questions.
The wealthy are mostly self made.
>>110169
No they exploited workers, they didn't singled handedly make all that wealth them self's, stop typing preposterous nonsense.
>>110169
Wealthy people are literally never self-made. They rely on others to become powerful.
It's not a bad thing to rely on others though.
“China’s headlong plunge into capitalism over the last 40 years was not a repudiation of the Communist Party’s founding ideology, but something possible only because of it.” -Xi Jinping

Seriously, how the actual fuck can anyone think that the ideological idiots in the CCP are communist? It takes two brain cells to know that Maoism is literal shit and that Dengism is literal shit on top of literal shit. All you need to do is critically read the manifesto and then you could know more than literally anyone in that goddamn party and their LARPers online. ffs
HOLY SHIT
The tankies were right?

Take the graypilled: https://thegrayzone.com/category/china/

>gibs, gibs, and more gibs from neolibs, porkies, neocons
>spooks, glowniggers, state dep gibs
>Democratic Cops of America infiltrate by Imperial sexual harassment org entryism and state dep controlled oppo

HOW THERE NOT BEEN A PURGE YET, THIS WHY THE CHEKA WAS THERE?
WHY IS DENGOID JUST SITTING BY SIDE?
THE TANKIES WERE CORRECT ABOUT THE SUCCDEMS AND TROTS

Is the DemCop meme true?
>>110413
What are you trying to say?
>>110187
That's fine but you might wanna use another flag since that one's forever gonna be associated with the our german dengoid friend.
TPTB banned Xiangyu
Blumenthal also arrested
>>110187
He obviously meant that the CCP correctly asserted that China had to go through a phase of capitalist development. I'd me more worried if he'd call capitalism socialism. As long as they're aware of capitalism I don't see the problem.
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>>99999

>Quints

One does not simply luck out this hard.
What does /prc/ think China's most likely path to full socialism is?
>>111135
Revolution followed by DotP.
>>111137
This
The Mandarin class tend to be their own worst enemy
>Mandarins have mandate of heaven by proxy of le emperor
>They get yeeted
>New Mandarins have mandate of heaven by proxy of le new emperor
>They get yeeted
>New-new Mandarins have mandate of heave by proxy of le new-new emperor
>They get yeeted
It just keeps happening!
Mao Zedong's cultural revolution seemed to be aimed at the ingrained cultural feudalism-capitalism of China.
I've seen a lot of people over the last few years analyze the PRC with the ancient notion of the Mandate of Heaven. Is this actually something people in China still take seriously or do people just bring it up as a joke?
I can't wait to see Chinese neoliberalism.

When China becomes more capitalist, i'll enjoy watching the Tankie COPE here.
Imagine actually believing that the Chinese Government is "communist' because of your autism. And also imagining that Chinese billionaires actually give a shit about "Muh communism".
>>111493
>organ harvesting
This is just a rehash of Falun Gong propaganda. Even Washington Post said that was bullshit.
>Transplant patients must take immunosuppressant drugs for life to prevent their bodies from rejecting their transplanted organs. Data compiled by Quintiles IMS, an American health-care-information company, and supplied to The Post, shows China's share of global demand for immunosuppressants is roughly in line with the proportion of the world's transplants China says it carries out.
>Xu Jiapeng, an account manager at Quintiles IMS in Beijing, said the data included Chinese generic drugs. It was "unthinkable," he said, that China was operating a clandestine system that the data did not pick up.
>Critics counter that China may also be secretly serving large numbers of foreign transplant tourists, whose use of immunosuppressant drugs would not appear in Chinese data. But this assertion does not stand up to scrutiny.
>Jose Nuñez, head of the transplantation program at the World Health Organization, which collects information on transplants worldwide, says that in 2015 the number of foreigners going to China for transplants was "really very low," compared with the traffic to India, Pakistan or the United States, or in comparison with transplant-visitor numbers in China's past.
>Chapman and Millis say it is "not plausible" that China could be doing many times more transplants than, for instance, the United States, where about 24,000 transplants take place every year, without that information leaking out as it did when China used condemned prisoners' organs.
>And lawyers who have defended Falun Gong practitioners also reject allegations that those prisoners' organs are being harvested.
>"I have never heard of organs being taken from live prisoners," said Liang Xiaojun, who said he had defended 300 to 400 Falun Gong practitioners in civil cases and knew of only three or four deaths in prison.
>In China, despite state repression, family members can be determined in speaking out and seeking justice when relatives vanish. If tens of thousands of Falun Gong practitioners were being executed every year, that information would emerge, experts say.
https://archive.fo/25bG4
Does China really steal everyone's intellectual property or is it CIA propaganda?
>>112422
Yes, but that's a good thing.
>>112422
"Intelectual property" imagine being a faggot
>>112495
Lets get the Chinese intellectual property too then.
>>112508
Being a Dengist is at least half of the effort.
Lmao what's with he christian nigger and why is he so anal about China all the time
>>112804
My take on intellectual property is the same as David Harvey's. Steal it all. It's great that China steals and pirates from the west and I hope countries in Africa start stealing tech from China as well.
>>112829
It was alright when Dengists plugged their optics and cope here and there...
>>112804
>crying about intellectual property
>on /leftypol/
holy shit, now I've seen everything.
>>113020
Wait, i don't get it. Communists have never liked or believed in intellectual property. China needs to do the correct thing and steal information all the time, and they should be supported in their efforts.
>>8925
My view is that /leftypol/ is too purist about socialism in China and the CPC is just waiting for the right moment to go full communism. Chinese state was born out of communism and its official ideology is still Maoism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG9rkUlN_Cw
>>113154
which is what I was trying to say. that christcom flag is so bootyblasted by China that he's revealing his true colors.
>>113166
>Chinese state was born out of communism
Capitalism*
>its official ideology is still Maoism.
Which is capitalist-imperialist. Maoism can be broken down into two aspects (1) class collaborationist ideas (2) imperialist collaborationist ideas used to justify the later alignment with the US and Nixon under Mao.
China is a shithole
>>113221
How can people still say stuff like that? They've grown and eliminated poverty on an historical scale, in 20 years they're likely calling your country a shithole.
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>What we are seeing in the China Dream is the embryo of an ideology that is ultra-dangerous. It is that because it sits on a rhetoric of power and national greatness and because, ultimately, it is an ideology in which the person ceases to exist as an autonomous being and is subsumed in the nation. If individual happiness comes from national greatness, then the pursuit of national greatness is an undivided good. If national greatness is the making of individual happiness—because the destiny of every person is inseparably linked to the destiny of the nation—then there is no autonomous good for individual women and men that might restrain the national project or the policies of the party-state that is the custodian of that project. There is no independent good of persons that can stand in the way of and limit what is seen as the good of the nation or the strength of its state. If repression, aggression, and ultimately war are in the national interest, then these policies are by ideological fiat also for the good of ‘each person’s future and destiny’. At its core, the idea of unity between nation and person is a fascist idea, the fascist idea.
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>>113166
>>113199
>>113206
There is this expectation that the General secretary of the CCP will remove his mask, and it's going to the big reveal that is was Mao all along. Followed by furious struggle session of epic scale and intensity, where class stratification evaporates dialectically.

Well it's more like it's going to be that they will eventually run into the same problems as the west, where they will have stagnation through wealth concentration ("stragtration" ?). And there's little chance the polite buro is going enforce the privileges of billionaires against national interests.

People tend to forget that capitalism doesn't work in the long run, the laws of motion of capitalism aren't suspended. The CCP will be faced with the choice of socialism or decline and decay.

>>113228
If you evoke nationalism to impose the special interests of capital, that's facist, but if you use it to impose the interests of the proletariat it is not. You are spooked by bourgeois individualism. The interests of the individual are not in contradiction with the collective in socialism, because that contradiction originates from the private accumulation of surplus. The individual can only be fully realised as part of a collective, not as atomized self onto itself.
>>113247
>China
>interests of the proletariat
one of the main roles of the CCP is to prevent unions from being created
>>113269
this has been the case for every ml state faggot, independent unions are the fastest way for reactionaries to take power. one would only need to look at solidanorsc, burkina faso's unions and chile's during Allende to realize why this happens
>>112831
>the virgin Dengist
>The Chad Nigerian Hacker
Thanks comrade, very cool
>>113020
Lets take Chinese intellectual property too, its supposed to be open source, speaking of which where is that so-called open source archive that China as good communists made available to all.
>>113154
>>113178
Dont hide under your skirts ladies, just reply. I know you are delicate Dengist flowers but that is cringe.
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>>113358
Dead Sea Scrolls, Death of John Paul I, Fall of Constantinople, 2018 Pennsylvania pederasty cases, Saladin, Heliocentric theory, William Tyndale, Native American genocide, Borgia family, Westboro Baptist church, Corinthians 6:9-11, Manifest Destiny, Witch trials, Ninth Council of Toledo, Gregory IX. Chemical analysis of Shroud of Turin, Battle of Jericho, sell of indulgences, Sex-Ed, Holy Spanish Inquisition, Curse and mark of Cain, Joshua Bar Nazarem, Mary Magdalene, Lateran Treaty, Egyptian and Roman syncretism in Christianity, Ku Klux Klan, Treaty of Tordesillas, Harry Potter, bellum iustum, Scholasticism, apocryph gospels, Iēsus Nazarēnus Rēx Iūdaeōrum, theory of evolution, Rock music, Matthew 22:21, Pogroms
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3003217/eu-rejects-chinas-offer-xinjiang-tour-says-its-open-one-later
EU: CHINA GENOCIDEING UYGHURS
China: we are not, and if you want to see yourself you may come
EU: nah. CHINA GENOCIDEEE
>>113364
lmao are you fucking retarded? like I said china doesn't allow for independent unions LIKE EVERY OTHER ML STATE THAT EXISTS AND HAS EXISTED, but it does allow for state controlled ones LIKE EVERY OTHER ML STATE THAT EXISTS AND HAS EXISTED. a fucking 30k view video of a retard reading the constitution of the ussr doesn't change this fact mongrel.
>>113358
What the fuck are you on about? Yikes cringe
Crying about how unfair it is China is breaking IP laws may be the most insane shit I ever heard from a purported leftist.
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>>113398
>Yikes cringe
>>113400
DDR and not DPRK anymore satan-kun? thats a yikes cringe for me dawg
>>113401
You know, from afar the DDR flag looks like a Mcdonald's logo.
>>113199
Cope about what? A bunch of marxist-leninist "worker" neets opinions wont change the fact that China is the most powerful country in the world.
>>113221
And this is why we need to genocide Americans. We literally feel sorry for people living in a shithole named america as Nordics.
>>113206
<Chinese state was born out of communism
>Capitalism*
Fucking retard they went full communism and failed.
>its official ideology is still Maoism.
<Which is capitalist-imperialist. Maoism can be broken down into two aspects (1) class collaborationist ideas (2) imperialist collaborationist ideas used to justify the later alignment with the US and Nixon under Mao.
Maoism is shitty ideology nobody is denying that but its the last hope you ultra-leftist have.
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>>113247
>If you evoke nationalism to impose the special interests of capital, that's facist, but if you use it to impose the interests of the proletariat it is not.

China abandoned any pretense of communism in 1971, they give less then two shits about the proletariat, internationalism, or even honesty for that matter. One of the most disturbing things about the PRC and its history is how dishonest it is, and always has been.

Well America was bombing Vietnam, using agent orange to destroy its environment, etc Mao conducted *secret* negotiations with these same imperialists. Showing how little they care about communism, they told the Islamist Khan of Pakistan first about this. Hoxha was told after a long line of dictators.

Maybe you could say that about fascism, but the Chinese leaders since Mao don't even care about anti-fascism as they worked with Franco an ally of Hitler and Pinochet. They have no ideological principles of any kind and ML is just a disguise . They are using nationalism in the interest of capital, because there are many billionaires in China so logically they are fascist by your own definition.

China besides betraying Vietnam behind its back in 1971 with secret negotiations, attacked Vietnam a decade later, and today has vast imperialist claims to territory in the south china sea which Vietnam opposes. They also had vast imperial claims against the USSR and an irredentist desire to take back territory they believe was theirs, which was another betrayal even earlier.

>>113423

> Cope about what? A bunch of marxist-leninist "worker" neets opinions wont change the fact that China is the most powerful country in the world.

That power is illusionary, because China has no ideological principles and is kept up by a disguise and sheer terror. Without any real principles its not better then any other state in history that worshipped only power. Besides that power is fleeting, why do you think China always props up Pakistan to keep India down? They are scared of competition.
>>113494
>diplomacy=endorsement
>>113504
They did more then just diplomacy when they supported the Islamist Mujaheddin in Afghanistan. In any case, the proletariat can never support a regime that attacks socialist states well being on good terms with fascist ones obviously.
>>113505
>the proletariat can never support a regime that attacks socialist states well being on good terms with fascist ones
They justified this by claiming that the USSR and its allies were somehow fascist therefore it was just "exploiting inter imperialist contradictions".
>>113517
>They justified this by claiming that the USSR and its allies were somehow fascist therefore it was just "exploiting inter imperialist contradictions".
What a load of bullshit to cover up their own problems. Mao desperately wanted to break from the USSR, but when he did with the great leap forward and the sparrows campaign it caused the worst famine ever. The USSR opposed his insane model.

When he was exposed as a failure without Soviet help, Mao gave up on communism and Marxism launched the "cultural revolution" to shore up his own cult and then used his own cult status to open up to America instead and they adopted their model of neoliberalism. Thats a more realistic explanation.

>>113428

> Fucking retard they went full communism and failed.

Are you one of those retards who thinks teen red guard hooliganism from 1966 to 1968 is an attempt at full communism? China has never tried full communism. China has no glorious past of trying communism. Their past is shit. They destroyed communism from within and betrayed everyone multiple times. Their policies were disastrous.
>>113494
>>113526
What's a good read to get up to speed on modern Chinese history?
>>113269
>one of the main roles of the CCP is to prevent unions from being created
The ML policy of having a single union for all the workers rather than a bunch of small ones for individual trades is because that way the union is larger than any single employer, and working class solitary is not threatened by different sections of the working class being played against each other. This is sound strategy, if you wish to criticise particular praxis of unionisation in china, there certainly is a lot that can be said, but the overall structure is solid.

>>113494
I made the point that the potential for chinease socialism isn't because of the moral character of the CCP, but rather that the laws off capitalism, will force the issue of socialism or decline. And the CCP is not going choose decline. You just attacked a straw-man.
>>113580
The All-China Federation of Trade Unions is a joke. They're not working to improve the conditions of workers https://clb.org.hk/latest-news
>>111186
>subreddit drama
is it really impossible to have any serious discussion about china where you can explain that the entire fucking thing is more complicated besides china bad or good? I mean as it stands right now, I don't support china on a lot of its current systems, but it doesn't mean that I have to full heartedly support fucking Uyghurs and HK retards. Its not denying genocide to provide details as to why this shit is happening or in this case why it isn't happening while providing sources and using actual fucking critical thinking. The only reason why libs got upset in this thread is because they refused to actually look at the sources he provided and think critically about it like this one here https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2019/07/278860/arab-muslim-majority-countries-china-mistreatment-uighurs/ which is a really fucking hard blow to the whole "mistreatment" shit if you think critically about it. Im sick of shit like "hurr durr, doing detailed analysis to figure out what is going on and then forming an opinion is bad" This is the shit that genuinely makes me enraged at American liberals. They have no concept of reading between the lines which is the most basic of reasoning skills. Fuck burgers, fuck their country, and fuck their "basic facts".
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>>113585
>The All-China Federation of Trade Unions is a joke. They're not working to improve the conditions of workers.
You link to a website with anecdotes, You can't get a reasonable assessment, based on that.

Anyway it's kind of hard to find a good analysis of Chinese unions. I found a comprehensive study that seemed good in listing the shortfalls of the Union system in China, but it lists "think tanks" as part of the network of contributors, which is why I'm not going to trust it, or link it here. Now with the caviar that i don't have dependable sources for making this assessment: there does seem to be allot of dysfunction within Chinas union system, where they are insufficient advocates for worker interests. However the argument that because of this one should abandon the concept of one large Union for all the workers, in favour for a lot of small ones, is not reasonable. If you have only small unions you can at best have effective worker representation for about 20% of the workforce, namely those workers that do a type of labour that can cause immediate and very painful disruptions in the economy. While other workers whose work does not cause immediate or painful disruptions cannot effectively negotiate the interests. This will enable capital to play different sections of the workers against each other, which will erode solidarity between workers, and in the long run cause a decline of Union-membership.

If you wanted to have union-power comparable to post-world-war2 western countries, you would need trans-national unions, with a concept of sharing the wages gains from successful-struggle: if you manage to negotiate a wage increase for one section workers that are members in your transnational union then a part of the gains would be redistributed to all the other members of that union. This would incentivise coordination of struggle through out an entire "value-chain". I bet it's easier to get the Chinese government to play along with this, then the American government and many of the European governments.

Consider that in the back of my mind is always the intense anti-china smear campaign, going on right now, that is making it hard to criticise China because it would seem like pileing on more china-hate. And the facts here are that chinease workers have seen a epic rise in the improvement of material conditions, and i'm not going to shit on that.

I really don't like market economies, it's producing to much inequality, i think somebody calculated that you generate about 500 homeless-people for every billionaire, that seems like a awfully large human sacrifice. I think that a cybernetically planned economy would not produce any homeless people, while at the same time have a better economy. However you can't be that pure when searching for allies: If you improve the lives of workers and oppose wars, that's good enough, at least at the moment.
>>113286
>workers striking against Cornholio's attempt to enforce austerity
You do realise that almost every ML dislikes the guy, right
>>113640
>austerity
that's a stretch
>almost every ML dislikes [Khrushchev]
rarely for any genuine reasons. rather, he is used as a scapegoat, and most people just shit on him because everyone else does.
>>92474
Australia is the way it is because the conservative party has been in power for 6 years (recently reelected for another 3 years yay!) and have basically allowed giant mining and banking corporations to pay literally zero dollars in tax because they're bankrolled by these disgustingly rich porkies. Not saying there wouldn't have been an increase under labor but these giant companies have been able to get away with hundreds of millions of dollars in tax avoidance
Hakim: You Shouldn't Be Supporting The Hong Kong Protests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-nl0Hklwvg
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>Be China
>Point out hypocrisy of Americans murdering protesters while they all whine about Hong Kong
How will the Americans ever recover?
>>114067
>>113375
And?
>>113398
So why are you crying about taking Chinese intellectual property then?
>China
>leftist
>>113379
> a fucking 30k view video of a retard reading the constitution of the ussr doesn't change this fact mongrel.
Unironically denying facts and even the Soviet constitution. Unions could be formed with and without party membership. Also employees could freely express their grievances to their employers and the party. Voting was also supported. Stay in reddit.

Well 3rd pic is going to rustle some jimmies.
>>114073
Intellectual property doesn't exist, but name one thing westerners really want from china that is consider intellectual property right now. undoubtedly, very little. Maybe the chinese karl marx anime? Maybe the great warrior wall?
Honestly, i just want china to re-release windows 7 and give it to everyone for free or something.
The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was quite imperialist, though the mujahedin were obviously not any communists.

A lot of western manufactured China "news" is also bankrolled by glow-in-the-dark agencies.
>>114089
Didya capture that /Get/?
Unironically the best way for some communism or etc. in China is that eventually the scodem reforms get passed.
Otherwise China probably go full capitalist, possibly after some attempted revolt by the actual communists.
>>114625
The incompetent government in Kabul forced their head and if they did nothing would have been overrun by fundamentalists just like how it was when they left. Their goals were not imperialist in the slightest.
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>>86634

Is this another failson of "hardworking" small entrepreneur? oversea Chinese communities are filled with gusano type of small biz tyrants.
>>113585

tbh, most of the american unions are the same shit, they are all cigar sucking case carrying "biz Union leaders" with right wing conservative views and buddies with K street guys.
>>112422

I urge everybody start stealing IP RIGHT NOW and crash this motherfucking rent seeking system
>>111493

Is this some "lefty" with Fa LunGong characteristics shit? I guarantee you will become an Evangelical when you start ageing and find this "radical left" game not edgy any more.
>>115142
>>115141
>>115139
>>115136
While i thank you for contributing to the PPH and making it seem like we are an active site, you could have put it all in one post
>>111479
are anarchists opening working with Mike Pompeo now? "Follow our Republican Party, start your CIA agent career?"
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/unijobs/listing/134824/professor-associate-professor-assistant-professor-in-marxism-/

Job vacancy for ya guys who wants to work as an associate professor in Marxism in China
>>114089
>name one thing westerners really want from china that is consider intellectual property right now
Anything.
>Honestly, i just want china to re-release windows 7 and give it to everyone for free or something.
You could wait and wait. Alternatively you could attend to software modding communities then again its a virtue signalling opportunity lost for you.

>>114882
The Vatican could perform their great work by donating their resources. Instead they rather compromise themselves for that lucrative market access in China. They compromised themselves before, that is just a another instance.
>>114089
>name one thing westerners really want from china that is consider intellectual property right now.

The DF-17 hypersonic missile. The West doesn’t have anything like it in its arsenal.
>>113221
It’s not.

t. Lived there
>>116003
pics or gtfo
>>116011
why yes this is a good idea, everyone, post picture of the areas you live in and post them ITT(in this thread). do it now!
>>116011

lol nice try CIAnarchist
>>116011

prove you are not CIA agent or gtfo
>>115992
>China evil
>Vatican good
Pottery
>>114073
>Christianity
>leftist

Look at all of the Americas the Philippines and much of Africa and compare it to Asia and tell me that Christianity is leftist and it actually works in preventing exploitation.
>>115992
The Vatican continues to recognize the exiled and defeated ROC as the Chinese government
>>116777
>look at the Americas and tell me Christianity is leftist
The americas are the first place I would look. Gosh doggin Sandinistas? Bruh like BRUUUUH
Here are my takes on China:

> China is a state capitalist economy
> At one point, China ceased to be socialist, a state capitalist economy on the road to communism, rather, it became simply a state run capitalist economy
> The state run capitalist economy does however treat its capitalist class better than other capitalist countries.. i.e. it kills them when they sacrifice popular interest for profit egregiously i.e. the glorious milk massacre
> A lot of the censorship they do is bullshit
> Recently, it has demonstrated that perhaps, it is on the road back to socialism. Such as with the implementation of healthcare reform
> Regardless of that, its model is extremely effective in manufacturing large amounts of quality goods, it has the most developed economy on earth. It is the only economy in the world with the structures in place to weather automation, indeed, if it continues on its current road, its people should greatly profit from automation.
> Workers rights in China are utter shit. To defend them is to defend this record.
>quality of life however in China is not so bad
> Hong Kong protests are bullshit, although they probably do have sections among them which are protesting for the right reasons.
>the Ughyrs are not being holocausted, also the Ughyr terrorists are most likely US backed, as they have close links to many other US backed islamic terror groups, the big ones, ISIS, The Taliban, etc given that this is the case, wanting to deal with that problem is understandable.
>CHINA IS A COUNTERPOINT TO US HEGEMONY
>The way China does its "imperialism" is much softer than the US, their record is much better, although they are still engaged in exploiting the global south
>however Chinese investment in the global south is typically much friendlier to natives than American.
>>116928
stupid takes, tbh
>>116945
Great response good post
>>116183
>>China evil
Yes
>>Vatican good
Strawman, false.
>>Pottery
Cope
>>116785
Of course a Dengist assumes I have guanxi with the Vatican. Same-same China same, Vatican same dont think too much..
>>116928
Pretty much accurate.
>>116777
>Look at all of the Americas the Philippines and much of Africa and compare it to Asia
In North America McCartyism tends to be ingrained among the populace which could be very easily dispelled by even a cursory look into the New Testament, likewise in the Philippines. In Africa many priests and pastors offer aid and solace and in Africa China has been exploiting Africans along with the other international bourgeoisie . In some parts of Asia the parents are happy when they birth a girl because they could make money from her being a prostitute. In other parts of Asia Buddhist monks offer sanctuary for orphan boys which I commend. In other parts of Asia they kill themselves in soulless societies obsessed with optics. In other parts of Asia compassion and social cohesion without the worship of money have been getting established which I commend again.

tl;dr dont complain about the piece of wood in your brother's eye when you have a log in yours.
>>117008
These are proper oldschool /leftypol/ vintage meme.

I'm pretty sure I collated the quotes for the big one. I have a big file on my computer called "jesus christ communist" the content is pretty much exactly the same.
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>>116928

> The way China does its "imperialism" is much softer than the US, their record is much better, although they are still engaged in exploiting the global south

Their record has been identical with the US since 1970. They helped to create US hegemony. The trade war is a recent thing, so lets wait to see what happens before jumping to conclusions.
China meets ultra-low emissions in advance of the 2020 goal
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-11/caos-cm110519.php
>China is working hard to reduce emissions and mitigate global climate change despite the significant challenges it faces as an emerging economy. A recent study shows the country has achieved notable success by beating its own rigorous timetable.
>>117108
>>117129
I actually looked up what they meant with China "implementing catholic social doctrine" and it's incredibly dull stuff like raising young people to not take drugs.
>>117130
the church in your picture is from this article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/world/asia/china-church-dynamite.html
it was falsely registered as a warehouse, that reaks of it being a front for the mafia, and second, would you consider a western government enforcing building regulations as religious persecuting ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3yzL3yDac0
>>117130
>second pic
Simply three dimensional Go
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<Taiwan warns of possible attack if China's economy slows down

<Foreign Minister Joseph Wu says Taiwan needs to be prepared for military conflict as he warns of Beijing's 'aggression'.

>Beijing could resort to military conflict with self-ruled Taiwan to divert domestic pressure, if a slowdown in the world's second largest economy amid trade war threatens the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party, the island's foreign minister has said.

>As Taiwan's presidential elections approach in January, China has stepped up a campaign to "reunify" with what it considers a wayward province, wooing away the island's few diplomatic allies and flying regular bomber patrols around it.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/11/taiwan-warns-attack-china-economy-slows-191107065509155.html
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<Taiwan warns of possible attack if China's economy slows down

<Foreign Minister Joseph Wu says Taiwan needs to be prepared for military conflict as he warns of Beijing's 'aggression'.

>Beijing could resort to military conflict with self-ruled Taiwan to divert domestic pressure, if a slowdown in the world's second largest economy amid trade war threatens the legitimacy of the Chinese Communist Party, the island's foreign minister has said.

>As Taiwan's presidential elections approach in January, China has stepped up a campaign to "reunify" with what it considers a wayward province, wooing away the island's few diplomatic allies and flying regular bomber patrols around it.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/11/taiwan-warns-attack-china-economy-slows-191107065509155.html
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>>117141
you're a liar and an imperialist
THIS STATE HAS SOLVED THE NEET PROBLEM WITH ONE SIMPLE STEP
CULTURAL CRITICS HATE HIM
https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=776840260
>Six measures were outlined in the guidelines, aimed at preventing minors "from indulging in online games." Among them is a ban on online video games for minors between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 8:00 a.m. Minors will also be restricted to 90 minutes of game time everyday except national holidays, when they are allowed a maximum of three hours.
>Chinese officials will also require everyone to register accounts for online games using their real name and phone number, which will help government entities to regulate playing time.

Xi is making the memes real.
>>118704
China is like /pol/ wet dream of a totalitarian society fixing degeneracy that harms the society as a whole. They also gulag muslims and force other cultures to integrate into their culture.
>>118704
This is a good policy but it would not help me as I don't play multiplayer.
Fight imperialism, reminder install software that respects freedom, avoid proprietary software and games.

>https://jacobinmag.com/2019/11/microsoft-defense-department-jedi-contract-china
>>118707
>They also gulag muslims
Untrue, was based on absurd studies and glowie propaganda. Was mostly benign re-education on a part-time basis to improve economic conditions, so people would be less vulnerable to radicalization.

Also there are thousands of Uygur terrorists in Syria right now, many terrorists attacks within China itself - this effort did not just fall out of the sky.
>>118715
It's a system you can easily apply to always online DRM single player of course.
Based and redpilled Chinese student in Germany condemns HK protestors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRKfETGttig
Why does the board dislike Israel this much?
Criticism can be made without the "Zionist entity" calling.
The state is fairly social democratic and probably the most accepting of gay persons in the ME.
Should the CCP legalize homosexuality?
to triggr the liberls, 'course
>>118866
They are an anti-communist colonialist and imperialist entity which deserves to be wiped off the map just as Rhodesia was.
>>118878
They already have.
>>118866
>Why does the board dislike Israel this much?

While they are objectively better than for example the Saudis, they also drive bulldozers through the houses of civillians for no other reason than to spread terror, they are attempting to build an ethno-state, by forcefully displacing large amounts of people, they are hardcore neo-liberal capitalists (with imperial outpost social program gibs, not scodem) that are constantly attacking neighbouring countries, and scheming to provoke a war between the US and Iran. They have politicians taking about "Lebenraum" when referencing Palestinian occupied territories, while they constantly reference nazis crimes as if that were an excuse for they are doing.

But what's really grinding the gears, is people like you attempting to white wash this with pink imperialism talking points.

Do you understand that the hard rejection is to close the door on you trying to inject ruling class narrative in the community.

As soon as somebody were to try to whitewash the Saudis in this manor, they would get the same dislike.
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>>118704
My id:
<NO NO NO HOW CAN XI DO THIS I WANTED TO MOVE TO CHINA BUT IT's ANTI GAMER NOW!!!!
My superego:
<Yea, this law is pretty based, video addiction is serious shit
t. addict
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>>116928
> A lot of the censorship they do is bullshit
you can buy winnie the pooh stuffed toys or phone cases depicting the cartoon character on alibaba for 15 RMB. on the western side which the capitalist pigs call free, banned at least 100k chinese twitter account and youtube is deleting pro china comments especially during the hong kong protest. in chinese social medias any negative comments against the CPC will be censored. take an example the US, people would shit their pants if they were forced to protest against their government relating to sensitive topics such as an investigation of 9/11.

> The state run capitalist economy does however treat its capitalist class better than other capitalist countries.. i.e. it kills them when they sacrifice popular interest for profit egregiously i.e. the glorious milk massacre
i disagree with you to some extent jack ma's retirement was undoubtedly a decision made by the CPC because he was getting too rich and the petty bourgeois business such as shopping malls weren't making much profit because of online shopping.

> Workers rights in China are utter shit.
well this is true back when the CPC members were corrupted. there was child labor and sweatshops like in every part of the country but it changed since Xi jinping war on corruption and took down 100k of the CPC members. woman are given more privilege in the job industry for example have you heard of the ongoing trend of using chinese female bodyguards instead of male ones. the wage gap between men and women is definitely improving. the chinese working class is more willing to have a daughter.

> Hong Kong protests are bullshit, although they probably do have sections among them which are protesting for the right reasons.
Regarding the HK protest, the HK youth has been the laughing stock of asian countries due to their gullible nature. HKers always boast about muh IQ and consider themselves as the 'superior' chinese as a result of british indoctrination through mediums in education, books, social media, etc since colonization. there is also 1 million vietnamese people in HK who might aggravate the situation as a result of 1k years of unpleasant history between china and vietnam. there are some leftist youtubers i.e noncompete with malicious intents spreading fake news to encourage violence in order to achieve muh 'democracy' and 'freedums'. singapore on the other hands won't allow these protesters seeking asylum in their country while spreading the rhetoric to liberate HK from china ironically from their medias because china is stripping part of their businesses in malaysia and also singapore has closer ties to the US. here an interview of Singapore's prime minister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwa-NEIEv-c

t. sub saharan african
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Highly recommended:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwM9CuGcBgI
Debate from 7 years ago about whether "western liberal democracy would be wrong for China" or not, which aged really well (check comments).

It's basically economic and political facts vs. liberal moralism.
>>85985
Don’t say “racist” as it makes us look like cucks, instead use the term “brainless”
>>104999
What a shitty get
>>119322
based pics
>>113166
When all the capitalist world powers die out, China will go full communist, if they did right now then they would get fucked from every side possible from the capitalist nations
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>>119728
>don't call out racism cause it'll make us look like cucks
I get that you're really beholden to "cool" 4chan behaviour which means you can't allow yourself to genuinely care about some issues because you think it'll make you look weak but there really is a lot of anti-Chinese racism among the HK protesters and those who support them.
>>119717
this makes an interesting point about how none of the western countries were democracies during their industrialisation
>>119735
>When all the capitalist world powers die out, China will go full communist, if they did right now then they would get fucked from every side possible from the capitalist nations
The critical limiting material restraints for that are their dependencies on fuel and food imports, to a to a lesser extend key-technology imports, once these strategic dependencies are solved the way is clear towards switching the system to communism.

Capitalist powers don't have to die out for that to happen, they have to loose the ability to impose a capitalist world economic superstructure. The reason why the capitalists can impose this in the first place is because America has no strategic dependencies of that type.
>>118700
That chart sucks. Source on it?
>>119717
good shit
>>116928
>A lot of the censorship they do is bullshit
And a lot of it is good too. Without it, China would have a massive porn industry like Japan and USA.

>Recently, it has demonstrated that perhaps, it is on the road back to socialism. Such as with the implementation of healthcare reform
China is trying to implement a Japanese-style healthcare system. Is Japan socialist?

>its model is extremely effective in manufacturing large amounts of quality goods
Chinese goods aren't well known for "quality" at all.

>quality of life however in China is not so bad
It is still bad, but better than before.
>>119805
Exactly. Many leftcom-types criticize the USSR for having "primitive accumulation" as well, but honestly, what was the fucking alternative? Fucking an-prim?
Proletarian Dictatorship and capitalism. Material conditions must be on western levels until CPC can show their cards.
>>119811
>dependencies on fuel and food imports, to a to a lesser extend key-technology imports
As long as these pertain, China cannot escape market logic because it has to trade for these goods, and to trade they have to remain competitive for those goods it exports.
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>>120217
> what was the fucking alternative for "primitive accumulation"

sophisticated accumulation ?
>>120580
this but unironically
>>118746
>I-It's not gulag, just a re-education camp!
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>>120587
>well all the CIA fronts have said they are gulags so they must be gulags
I'm just going to link the nonsense study that started it all. Pic related is not a joke - the methodology really is to do eight interviews, ask the participants how many people are detained, and just extrapolate from there. It's a farce.
https://www.nchrd.org/2018/08/china-massive-numbers-of-uyghurs-other-ethnic-minorities-forced-into-re-education-programs/
ChInA dOeSn'T wAnT yOu To WaTcH tHiS vIdEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8tJqoxTJ_M
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>>120632
>guestimating yoghurts
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>6.4k upboats
what do these sentences even supposed to mean?
>>121307
>freeeee Hong Kong, muh democracy
>muh ching ching tax haven noooooo!!!!
Pathetic
>>121307
Tear gas is chemical warfare banned by the Geneva convention.
>>121333
The evil communist Xi Jinpong is GASSING his own PEOPLE
>>121333
On the battlefield in war, not in riot control
>>121356
Kinda wierd how enemy soldiers have more rights then protestors.
>>121378
Makes perfectly sense once you know states are corporations under commercial law while citizens aren't human.
>>121307
that second line has got me fucked up i spent a solid minute trying to figure out what it means
>fired nearly 6,000 rounds
>nearly 88% of hong kong's 7.4 million residents
what? what is the correlation between these things? it literally makes zero sense - was it randomly generated by a bot?
>>121499
Hong Kong is 88% horrible due to china. Help us save the remaining 12%. 7.4 million thanks.
>>121501
>88
they aren't kinda hiding their fascism
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>>121307
Hongkie protestors are really the most pathetic of people. Think of themselves are more sophisticated than the mainlanders because they used to be more rich and could buy mistresses. But now the tables are turned, mainland has become prosperous while Hongkie commoners have been empoverished by the tycoons. And they are hitting out like dumb children at their fellow Chinese.

Sad!
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/r/HongKong/ reporting several cops drawing guns on remaining protesters, 1 protester shot in altercation. Reminder: the alternative is the Bolivian route.
>>119322
Wow, I guess there are boards shittier than leftypol.
thread related >>122915
What's the origin of the "le Winnie the pooh banned because he looks like Xi XDD" meme? I know it's bullshit but I have friends who keep spouting it and I want to dunk on their stupid heads.
>>123121
Pretty sure John Oliver kicked it off in some episode where he complained about chinese opposition not being allowed to organize
starts at 10:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OubM8bD9kck
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>>123121
they censor instances where winnie the pooh is a stand in for Xi ("haha I'm so smart by using le maymay I can criticize the supreme leader"). But the character as such is not censored
>>121499
Its claiming that 88 percent of HK population were affected by tear gas originating from 6000 tear gas rounds.
Hongkies literally lighting people on fire

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1193864857994567680?s=19
>>121530
it's ideology in action, sad
China and the New World Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M1KD7Dnq4s
Deal with the devil: How the Global Elite Re-Colonised China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFQhVAwbB6o
Posting this because of the question raised here, very interesting points raised by Hudson, the entire interview is also worth watching. https://youtu.be/hH9pzzIIEj4?t=3733
>>126202
> China is the economy that is trying to be the exception to the western economic model. The western economic model poses a choice between civilization and barbarism. And the west is moving rapidly into barbarism and militarism. The austerity program of the EU is destroying the economy, the US is cutting taxes on the rich and indebting the working class. The one country that is independent and not taking the advice of the world bank and IMF is China.
This is Michael Hudson quoting Samir Amin. Obviously, China is not the only country standing against the global finance, Cuba, Korea, Venezuela are also doing so but they are much smaller. China is unique due to its large size. As for why Hudson supports China, it is due to his views on capitalism.

> Capitlaism itself is revolutionary according to Marx in Vol 2 and 3 of Capital. But it did not turn out this way. Neoclassical economics is anti-Marxist and anti-communist. Marxism is the apex of classical economics and is the key to avoiding financialization that is destroying the west.
In short, Hudson considers industrial capitalism of the 19th and early 20th century a revolutionary force that improves the means of production through productive investment and brings about communism. However, he sees financial capitalism as a reactionary force that seeks to size ownership of property through usury. Finance is a parasite and has damaged the revolutionary potential of capitalism becoming communism. He defends China since it is a very large economy not controlled by global finance where Marxists have influence over the state. His first assessment that China is not under global financial control is correct in the sense that global finance is not satisfied with the degree of control they have over China, otherwise they would not be bitching at China to deregulate its financial sector at every trade conference or bitching about intellectual property protection. His second assessment that Marxists have influence over the Chinese state is less correct. No one knows for sure what the situation actually is. There are good Marxist scholars in the CPC but what influence they have over state policy is not known. Unfortunately recent Chinese government publications say they want to encourage private enterprise but on the other hand there is no move to deregulate finance so in Michael Hudson's book, China's economy is still on the right track.

There's also the question of whether industrial capitalism is revolutionary while financial capitalism is regressive. It's easy to see that capitalism increased the scale and technology of the means of production in the past 200 years. We can also see that state capitalist economies like Germany and Japan (and also the USSR and China depending on one's view on their economic systems) made more rapid development and kept finance under control. Neoliberal financilization on the other hand has destroyed the gains of class struggle in the west without improving the real economy. So there is merit to Hudson's argument that industrial capitalism is preferable to financial capitalism. However, the state capitalist economies (except for China) have been defeated and currently finance is dominant, so it's not clear that industrial capitalism is revolutionary in any way or even if it can stand up against finance. What is clear is that as long as private property laws exist it will be easier to gain wealth through rent seeking and usury rather than exploiting labour and producing value. Michael Hudson's big policy suggestion is debt cancellation, which is a form of nullifying private property claims since debts are claims on a person's future labour. His argument isn't 100% solid, there are some assumptions in there, but I agree with it more often than not and debt cancellation is certainly a good policy.
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>>126002
the 1st video proposed at 10:57 a horsehoe-theory-take where he labels the nazis as a type of socialists Into the trash-can of ideology it goes
>>126202
That "interview" (more like a monologue) is really engaging and very interesting.
Can anyone provide me a list or at least some examples of Chinese porkies the CCP has exectued for endangering the lives of the people? I need some new fap material
>>126439
not sure what exactly you are looking for but here is a list with white collar crimes
https://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-white-collar-criminals-death-sentence-2013-7#wang-zhendong-executed-20
>>126439
From almost 10 years ago, 2 Chinese porkies executed for producing contaminated baby milk powder which affected hundreds of thousands and killed six
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8375638.stm
>>8925
CHINK
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