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Anonymous 05/23/2020 (Sat) 02:17:46 No. 520776
Was he a MI5 spy? Unironically asking.
Nah just a journalist looking for a story really
Nah, he did rape boys in Burma though
>>520789 Looking at that face is evidence enough for this claim.
>>520789 The duality of man
>>520776 Nah he just didn't had a chance to visit the ussr so his perception of it was severily biased by the accounts of white emigres who were mostly petit bouj.
Oh please, people like him would do it for free. More interested in proving how pure of a socialist he was compared to everyone else than actually building socialism
>>520789 source?
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The Road To Wigan Pier: >I habitually allowed myself, for instance, to be dressed and undressed by my Burmese boy. This was because he was a Burman and undisgusting; I could not have endured to let an English manservant handle me in that intimate manner. I felt towards a Burman almost as I felt towards a woman. Like most other races, the Burmese have a distinctive smell–I cannot describe it: it is a smell that makes one’s teeth tingle–but this smell never disgusted me. (Incidentally, Orientals say that we smell. The Chinese, I believe, say that a white man smells like a corpse. The Burmese say the same–though no Burman was ever rude enough to say so to me.) And in a way my attitude was defensible, for if one faces the fact one must admit that most Mongolians have much nicer bodies than most white men. Compare the firm-knit silken skin of the Burman, which does not wrinkle at all till he is past forty, and then merely withers up like a piece of dry leather, with the coarse-grained, flabby, sagging skin of the white man. >The white man has lank ugly hair growing down his legs and the backs of his arms and in an ugly patch on his chest. The Burman has only a tuft or two of stiff black hair at the appropriate places; for the rest he is quite hairless and is usually beardless as well. Basically Orwell was a homosexual pederast who fetishized shit; as with most libertarians and those upper class shits, of course.
>>520829 That's not really the vibe I get from him in something like Homage to Catalonia, his criticism of the Spanish MLs was they were too dogmatic about adherence to liberalism coming before socialism so they ended up throwing away a huge opportunity and arguably contributed to Franco's victory.
>>520838 Reads like something a schoolyard predator would write
>>520838 Incidentally, Orwell was homophobic which would explain a lot.
>>520841 I don't think he had ill intentions but in retrospect it's pretty obvious that Orwell was wrong and that the Republican forces were basically screwed from the start given the total mismatch in firepower + lack of international support other than the USSR and Mexico (which had a problem of their ships getting intercepted) compared to Franco's army and backed heavily by Germany and Italy. And attempts to further the revolution within Republican areas by anarchists and Trotskyists -- a minority faction on that side -- just threatened to create another civil war within a civil war. So RIP. I think Orwell changed his views somewhat on this as well later in "Looking Back on the Spanish War" which was published awhile after Homage to Catalonia. I'll say the book is a good and accurate description of what warfare is actually like though.
>>520838 >Burmano, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Bur-Man-O: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Bur. Man. Oh. He was Oh, plain Oh, in the morning, standing four feet ten in one sock. He was Burma in slacks. He was Burmy at school. He was Aung San on the dotted line. But in my arms he was always Burmano. Damn, never knew Orwell had a way with words.
>>520863 Enough to make Allen Ginsberg cry.
>>520841 That is precisely what i am talking about, always criticizing everyone around him for not being a good enough leftist as him. He will shit on ML and then his own socialist/communist in Road to Wigan Pier. Orwell would shoot a fellow socialist over a capitalist.
>>520896 > a fellow socialist fellow middle class/champagne socialist
>>520838 jesus fucking christ
>>520897 He wouldn't shoot the second most prominent British socialist back then though: Oswald mosley.
>>520838 Dare I say it... based?
>>520838 That it? This is enough for you to assert homosexual pederasty and declare it to the world without qualification? That is to misunderstand the direct,honest and unpretentious character of Orwell,who was most likely borderline autistic. A quite shameless sensationalist post - you should consider a career in journalism.
>>520897 He snitched out labor and union organizers for being jews and homosexuals dude! He’s the champagne socialist.
>>520838 >It's real >Orwell would have been here shitposting with us and crossposting on /ss/ and /shota/ boards if he were alive Truly great men.
>>521023 Man he is even more fucked up than I thought. >champagne socialist. I thought champagne socialist just meant upper class socialist?
Nah he was just a cunt in general. The typical middle class chauvinist, who thought a brilliant man like Paul Robeson was "anti white"and wrote a fascist fantasy about the USSR. The rat torture comes from a Nazi pamphlet called the Bloodlust of Bolshevism.
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>>520838 What I really don't get is why the fuck anybody needs another person to dress and undress him
>>521221 They don't need it, but I'd be damned if it doesn't stroke their egos something fierce. It's upper class pathology
All I gotta say about him is that the supermarket of ideology is only fit for looting.
>>520838 Will communism give me a delicious brown boy twink bf? ANSWER ME!
>>521245 No, the Stalinists don't want you to have brown twink bf. This is why we must advance libertarian socialism.
>>521127 >He hasn’t seen the list Orwell made Also the guy came from a noble family and only joined the Republican Spain for a bit of larping of which he also shat on them for being “not gentlemanly enough for his taste so they’re not pure socialists”.
>>521369 Is this a list of known communists for brit glow in the darks? Literal traitor if so
>>521369 >Remarks >German
>>521369 Didn't know it was this bad, lmao. Takes some fucking balls to write a book decrying totalitarianism and then acts like the thought police himself in real life.
>>521369 >Negro >silly sympathizer >? Holy shit the remarks makes it wayyyy worse. It is like he is doing this out of spite.
>>521369 >Remarks >Anarchist leanings There are some retards who defend this list because "they were tankies who supported the Stalinist suppression of his comrades in Spain", but in reality even anarchists were on this list.
>>520896 I mean it’s not true because he literally took up arms with fellow socialists. Don’t get me wrong, in the end he was a grass. But let’s still be accurate
>>521369 >Silly sympathiser What does this even mean?
>>521369 Forgot the first pic. Also the thread discussing this faggot on >>>hobby/5161 was really good so this is also a daily reminder to use the other boards on the site. >>521678 >I mean it’s not true because he literally took up arms with fellow socialists. So what? The British glowies at the same time had their agent taking up the position of general secretary of the Malayan Communist Party, fought with them for a time, then killed half of them and got away with all of the party funds. Look of Lai Tek. Snitches are all the same.
Nah. He just did it for free.
>>521369 >Sister of J.B.S Haldane >Negro Are these reasons to snitch? Fuck Orwell he was a pig, glad he ded
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>>520838 >brown boys
>>521817 This. Absolutely love Animal Farm but reporting on other socialists, over petty shit like this, should be reviled.
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>>520776 George Orwell is arguably among the most reactionary people who ever lived. An absolute sack of shit with zero redeeming value whatsoever. >Born of British nobility illegally occupying India, to a family of absentee landlords. >First job as a colonial police officer in Burma, literally carrying out the "brutal authoritarianism" which liberals idolize him for opposing. >Rapes little boys while bumming around SE Asia for a while before going back to Europe to start his writing career >Sheds some crocodile tears on behalf of the dirty poors for a decade but is too repulsed by their smell to actually interact with them >Goes to Spain to sit around with his thumb in his ass giving good press to all the Republican factions except those that actually did any of the fighting. >Blames muh Stalin for the incompetency of the anarchists and tentative loyalties of Trots and liberals >Returns to Britian a hardcore anti-communist writing utter trite like Animal Farm and 1984, forever poisoning the political imaginations of westerners with outrageous racist depictions of any country that stands up the colonialism he personally participated in. >As a final fuck you to the entire world, this subhuman degenerate then decides to act as an informant for MI5, handing over lists of suspected communists in his final years before doing everyone a favor and letting TB take him. This was a man who depicted colonial subjects who fight back as literal animals-- pigs to be specific. He is taught in every western highschool/secondary school and his works continue haunting the dreams of every delusional petite bougeois boomer who is currently refusing to wear a mask or practice social distancing because "muh tyranny". Fuck George Orwell. Rotting in the lowest circle of hell for all eternity is too kind a punishment.
>>522365 >anti-communist Was right with you up until this. Bet you haven't even read Animal Farm
>>522514 Even as a trot, Animal Farm seems a bit....vain? The antagonization of a single character made it so that this fable felt like it was more or less preachy than anything.
>>522514 >He doesn’t know about the Trot to Neocon Tory pipeline >Communist will never break away into reactionism Oh you poor innocent soul.
>>522514 Dude, the CIA literally had it made into a movie. stfu you retard. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/how-cia-brought-animal-farm-to-the-screen/
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>>522365 upvoted
>>522522 I mean, setting aside the quality of the book my point is that Animal Farm is obviously not anti-communist. You say yourself that it singles out one character. It criticises their actions, how it is not the future the animals were expecting from what Major had envisioned. It does not criticise the ideal, it specifically criticises the actions of some people who implemented socialism 'their way' - who Orwell believed did not do so faithfully. >>522544 What's retarded is your inability to analyse a short novel. I've got an outrageous idea for you - art can be interpreted differently, and even commandeered by others for propaganda purposes (nevermind the adaption changes parts of the book).
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>>522564 Sure dude, keep telling yourself the talking animal book for smooth brain boomers is actually a brilliant nuanced analysis of the Russian revolution that captures the many motivations of its various participants and paints a sympathetic picture of noble idealistic intentions clashing with the harsh realities of war and governance. You're definitely not a complete retard at all.
>>522550 >hating Orwell for being a snitch makes you reddit I don’t follow. Snitches get stitches.
>>522365 based, fuck Orwell
>>522588 I didn't actually say any of that, but glad you picked up on it. Feel free to actually read the book without your English teacher spoonfeeding you state propaganda
He makes Stalinists mad because he exposed their treachery in Spain
>>522834 And then based Orwell went on to betray both socialists and anarchists to the state. Truly a principled socialist
>>522856 He didn't betray Stalinists by reporting them to MI6. If anything - that was one the better things he did. Marxist-Leninists should be shot
>>522834 The "Stalinists" were the leaders of the Spanish struggle against fascism. The Fifth Regiment, the finest section of the Spanish Republican Army, was organised by the PCE.
Don't like Orwell? You're probably: >a stalinist >a trot >an anarchist >silly >dishonest >slimy >stupid >insincere >venal >a member of the communist party >a fellow traveller >german >polish >jewish >a negro This post made by Orwell Gang
>>522878 No, they really weren't. It was the Stalinists who did the most damage to the struggle there because they co-pted the revolutionary movement then, de-collectivized land to not upset the bourgeois republic, and told the workers to stand down, and not seize bourgeois assets to self manage them. The Stalinist traitors refused to pursue a dictatorship of the proletariat for the sake of Stalinist foreign policy ambitions. Those Stalinists should have been executed.
>>522892 Proofs?
>>522891 >>silly Does this actually mean something more or did he actually report people he considered 'silly' kek
>>522919 The only surviving video footage of George Orwell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ANufwUPFm8
>>522919 Somebody posted the archives: >>521369 >>521694
>>522878 Oh come on this is a reach. Of course the soviet backed refinement had all the most gang shit
>>522945 I know that - I just don't know what he means by 'silly'. Like is he really just calling someone silly when remarking "silly sympathiser" lol
>>522878 Did Stalin not support the popular front - which was literally the defense of the Spanish, capitalist state? The PCE suppressed POUM (the Stalinists executed their leaders), and then kicked the CNT-FAI out of the popular front and shut down their areas such as the Regional Defense Council of Aragon.
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>>522960 Oh yeah I was a bit baffled by that. Pic related it's my interpretation of events.
>>520963 > unpretentious character of Orwell, who was most likely borderline autistic Agreed: > At this period, after his long fast, the toad has a very spiritual look, like a strict Anglo-Catholic towards the end of Lent. His movements are languid but purposeful, his body is shrunken, and by contrast his eyes look abnormally large. This allows one to notice, what one might not at another time, that a toad has about the most beautiful eye of any living creature. It is like gold, or more exactly it is like the golden-coloured semi-precious stone which one sometimes sees in signet rings, and which I think is called a chrysoberyl. > For a few days after getting into the water the toad concentrates on building up his strength by eating small insects. Presently he has swollen to his normal size again, and then he goes through a phase of intense sexiness. All he knows, at least if he is a male toad, is that he wants to get his arms round something, and if you offer him a stick, or even your finger, he will cling to it with surprising strength and take a long time to discover that it is not a female toad. Frequently one comes upon shapeless masses of ten or twenty toads rolling over and over in the water, one clinging to another without distinction of sex. By degrees, however, they sort themselves out into couples, with the male duly sitting on the female’s back. You can now distinguish males from females, because the male is smaller, darker and sits on top, with his arms tightly clasped round the female’s neck. < ... > Is it wicked to take a pleasure in Spring and other seasonal changes? To put it more precisely, is it politically reprehensible, while we are all groaning, or at any rate ought to be groaning, under the shackles of the capitalist system, to point out that life is frequently more worth living because of a blackbird’s song, a yellow elm tree in October, or some other natural phenomenon which does not cost money and does not have what the editors of left-wing newspapers call a class angle? There is no doubt that many people think so. < ... > I think that by retaining one’s childhood love of such things as trees, fishes, butterflies and – to return to my first instance – toads, one makes a peaceful and decent future a little more probable, and that by preaching the doctrine that nothing is to be admired except steel and concrete, one merely makes it a little surer that human beings will have no outlet for their surplus energy except in hatred and leader worship. > At any rate, spring is here, even in London, and they can’t stop you enjoying it. This is a satisfying reflection. How many a time have I stood watching the toads mating, or a pair of hares having a boxing match in the young corn, and thought of all the important persons who would stop me enjoying this if they could. But luckily they can’t. So long as you are not actually ill, hungry, frightened or immured in a prison or a holiday camp, Spring is still Spring. The atom bombs are piling up in the factories, the police are prowling through the cities, the lies are streaming from the loudspeakers, but the earth is still going round the sun, and neither the dictators nor the bureaucrats, deeply as they disapprove of the process, are able to prevent it. https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/some-thoughts-on-the-common-toad/
>>522867 t. Orwell
>>522892 Yeah fuck the people who killed hitler because they weren't anarchists amirite Anarchist children like you are so embarrassing
Tbh doubtful, tho this guy was and he was based: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Klugmann
>>524695 Killed Hitler? Hitler committed suicide; you retard. More over - the Soviet Union committed a scale of atrocities that rival the fascists if you want to make apologies for the purges, the horrific collectivization on top of the ethnic deportations. But yes, you MLs are rat fucks, and the USSR is gone. So, again, you Sovietboo cracker - there's no need to take it personal. You are an irrelevant sect larper. Get over it, fuck face.
>>524698 Get better at looking sincere, this is too obvious.
>>524704 I'm sincere when I say people like you should be shot.
>>524709 I thought you might be initially but you showed yourself up with your obvious bait posts
>>524010 >How many a time have I stood watching the toads mating Based
>>524709 cry all you want. history has shown that in the end anarshits who don't know their place are aways the ones who get shot. the bullet comes from every side of the spectrum and sometimes from anarchists themselves
are 1984 and animal farm worth reading?
>>527377 Animal Farm is not. 1984 has a commitment to the world being absolutely shit and redemption and heroism being impossible that elevates it above 99% of dystopian stories.
these threads are always depressing. >>520860 >I don't think he had ill intentions but in retrospect it's pretty obvious that Orwell was wrong and that the Republican forces were basically screwed from the start given the total mismatch in firepower + lack of international support other than the USSR and Mexico I thought that was basically his conclusion. The Republicans lost due to lack of firepower, although the sectarian intrigues didn't help any. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, he felt that the only way to mobilize people to fight for the Republic was to turn the civil war into a revolutionary war - but even then you need weapons. >>522544 >Dude, the CIA literally had it made into a movie. They simplified the plot and changed the ending so that Orwell's original message would be lost.
>>521369 >>521694 Reminder those lists were compiled while Orwell was dying of tuberculosis.
>>527915 Does that affect your mental state?
>>520838 Orwell would love traps.
>>528054 He was a man of culture
>>527377 Animal Farm is a great read, and it's fairly short so not even a big commitment.
>>527941 It can. But even if it didn’t, the constant tendency of a lot of leftists to exaggerate a person’s flaws comes out in full force with Orwell. It reminds me of how MLs often feel the need to exaggerate their hatred of Trotsky, where it’s not enough for him to be wrong, they also insist that he actually wanted to restore capitalism and was working with the Nazis. Orwell gets the same treatment. He makes a couple bad lib-tier criticisms of the USSR, and rats out some leftists on his deathbed. Sure, these are bad, but people feel the need to also insist that he was a glowie from day one, that he never actually opposed capitalism, that he went to Spain for LARPing purposes and didn’t actually want to see socialism prevail and fascism defeated etc. None of this is true. It’s pretty clear he was a demsoc and behaved as one, thinking that the Labour Party was a better path to socialism than revolution, and that both East and West were headed in a totalitarian direction.
>>527941 Depends on what kind of TB he had, it can certainly affect your brain - it's not just respiratory. It's also worth remembering that being ill in itself can change people, and could be a side effect of any treatment he was receiving. Not that (as far as I'm aware) there's confirmation he wasn't fully there, so just because it's a possibility doesn't mean it's true.
>>522365 >>Born of British nobility illegally occupying India, to a family of absentee landlords. Not his fault. Engels was the son of a factory owner. >First job as a colonial police officer in Burma, literally carrying out the "brutal authoritarianism" which liberals idolize him for opposing. Something he quickly became disgusted with and stopped doing, and which led him to write extensively against imperialism. >Sheds some crocodile tears on behalf of the dirty poors for a decade but is too repulsed by their smell to actually interact with them What are you talking about? “The Road to Wigan Pier” and “Down and Out in Paris and London” are literally about his experiences living among not just the working class but transients, homeless people, etc. >Goes to Spain to sit around with his thumb in his ass giving good press to all the Republican factions except those that actually did any of the fighting. Confirmed for knowing nothing about the Spanish Civil War and warfare in general. Protip: the CNT-FAI were instrumental in thwarting the coup to begin with. >>Blames muh Stalin for the incompetency of the anarchists and tentative loyalties of Trots and liberals He blames Stalin for pandering to Spanish liberals and porkies instead of pursuing social revolution alongside the war on fascism. >Returns to Britian a hardcore anti-communist writing utter trite like Animal Farm and 1984, forever poisoning the political imaginations of westerners with outrageous racist depictions of any country that stands up the colonialism he personally participated in. So you obviously haven’t read either novel because they are first of all not anti-communist. Second Animal Farm isn’t about colonialism, it’s about the Russian Revolution. >As a final fuck you to the entire world, this subhuman degenerate then decides to act as an informant for MI5 This is honestly the only indefensible thing he did.
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>>520963 Pedophilia is prominent in some diagnosed with autism.
>>528109 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5789215/ "Altogether, paraphilic sexual fantasies and behaviors were reported more frequently in male patients with ASD than in male HCs. After correcting for multiple testing, significant differences were still present in the number of individuals reporting masochistic fantasies, sadistic fantasies, voyeuristic fantasies and behaviors, frotteuristic fantasies and behaviors, and pedophilic fantasies with female children (see Table IV). Female patients with ASD showed no differences in the frequency of paraphilic fantasies or behaviors in comparison with their HC counterparts, except in the frequency of masochistic behaviors, where more female HCs indicated masochistic behaviors than the female ASD patients." True, but this is usually due to hypersexuality in some ASD patients. Otherwise most ASD patients are underwhelmed by sexual activity (30%~) and they're most likely to not get sexual education relating to their behavioral peculiarities

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