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/dead/ - Post-Leftism General Anonymous 03/30/2020 (Mon) 20:49:55 No. 407015
Welcome to /dead/, the endless magical nihilist gulag. This is not 8/grim/, but it is the continuation 8/grim/. Think of it as partly an /r9k/ for anti-capitalists, partly /GET/ with skeltals, and otherwise whatever you make of it. Now in thread form!
Get in your GULAG, posty!!
>>407039 Is this gulag rent-free space in some red capitalist's head?
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Have you guys read Adorno's critique of Nietzsche and De Sade from his Dialectic of Enlightenment? I came across it recently and it's really thought-provoking. I don't know if anyone else tackled Nietzsche from this side. So basically according to Adorno, Nietzsche's (and De Sade's) philosophy is the culmination of the Enlightenment project, which for Adorno consists of A) the emancipation from any sort of superstition but also B) the establishment of the domination of man over nature and thus man over man.
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It might take a while before history starts again Anton Jäger (March 25, 2020) https://damagemag.com/2020/03/25/it-might-take-a-while-before-history-starts-again/ >The aim of contemporary left populism was to rethink mobilization for an age of demobilization. In this sense populism was the product of a ‘hard but hollow’ environment, an attempt to break the iron grip of the neoliberal state with little to no resources at our disposal to do so. The neoliberal state started as an interventionist experiment to shield the market from mass democracy; this was its avowedly ‘hard’ side. But it could not do so while remaining beholden to a variety of popular interest groups, which were clamouring for checks on that very market. Therefore it also had to be ‘hollow’, undone of its ties to social actors below. Mass party democracy was hampering a renewed drive to capital accumulation; the only solution was to neutralize the state and turn it from an active player into an impartial arbiter. >What will this mean for ‘populism’? Clearly the long-awaited mass mobilization will have to be postponed. States demobilized their citizens for about thirty years. Now they will ask them to demobilize just a little bit more. Politicians, in turn, advised voters to realize their dreams of self-determination in the marketplace, through consumer sovereignty or the sugar highs of a credit boom. In the 2010s this model became infrastructurally untenable; citizens realized that there were other models of sovereignty out there, some of them majoritarian, others digital and affective. Those will have to be postponed as well. The market can no longer provide or protect, and the state will have to cushion the blow. The ‘hard’ will become the ‘soft’—a move from states as the ‘armed wings of Amazon’ to the ‘armed wings of Oxfam’, as Richard Tuck has put it. >Peter Sloterdijk once called the disabled the “future subjects of humanity.” His prediction is outré but contains a kernel of truth. Our growing daily dependence on the “technological prostheses” dreamt up by the global market—sporadically celebrated as the advent of a new “cyborg” subject by the likes of Donna Haraway—is now completing the infantile revolution ushered in by a post-paternal capitalism. Clubs, cafes and other sites of sociability will probably have to be redesigned to accommodate the new humans. The anthropological type suitable to the new corona capitalism will not be the ‘lonely crowd’ but the cellular pod, the monadic embryo vegetating in a womb. The embryo’s state will be ‘soft’ but still hollow, drifting through its fresh, new, maternal void.
>>407308 >the establishment of the domination of man over nature *cough*
>>407484 what?
>>407457 So we move into the ideological equivalent of Matrix pod people according to this dude?
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>>407457 the more I read this, the less sense it makes. ever since I stopped being a postie back in like 2017-2018, y'all haven't learned how to write in English yet?
>>407673 He seems like a German guy, be kind to him.
>vols allow the most cancerous, openly anti-left thread to reboot Fuck each and every one of you.
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>>407676 imagine being this blinded by labels
>>407676 How is it anti-left?
>>407656 We're already in it
>>407673 Yea I read it And Idk Only makes sense if you cared about Sanders
What is /dead/
>>407778 Doomer faggotry
>>407781 Like they think the end is near?
>>407784 No they think revolution is impossible
How's yall's quarentine going? I've been trying to read theory but its been hard, having my school library shut down has been heartbreaking, and I've been smoking wayy to much weed
what do you all think of Stirner and Nietzsche? I know most post-left types enjoy Stirner; Deleuze brings up that he still operates within (and may be limited by) the dialectic, and that it is Stirner's pushing of the dialectic to its end that causes Nietzsche to seek to "overcome man" (ubermensch = over man). >Nietzsche never stops attacking the theological and Christian character of German philosophy... It is clear that Stirner plays the revelatory role in all this. It is he who pushes the dialectic to its final consequences, showing what its motor and end results are. But precisely because Stirner still sees things like a dialectician, because he does not extricate himself from the categories of property, alienation and its suppression, he throws himself into the nothingness which he hollows out beneath the steps of the dialectic.
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If /dead/ ever becomes a board again, heres a banner
>>407778 It was originally a board for the discussion of the avant-garde of the social war, but you are welcome to discuss anything here that would be too non-dogmatic for the brain-dead tankies of Bunkerchan.
>>407913 I'm still not convinced "dialectics" actually means anything. It seems like a philosopher's insider joke that got out of hand.
https://allegralaboratory.net/the-return-of-the-plague-spreader/ > The plague-spreader is replaced today by the anonymous virus-carrier who shows no outward symptoms of disease yet is able to infect, unaware, anyone who happens to come near. The plague-spreader, for all his spectral nature, was possessed of individuality. They could be identified and neutralized. In contrast, today’s carrier has no face. Thus, the philosopher points out, much as the terrorist laws across ‘the West’ earlier in this century considered every individual a potential terrorist, so today each of us—me, you, every stranger we meet, and everyone we love—becomes a suspected plague-spreader.
>>408063 >"thesis, antithesis, synthesis" REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Thesis --> Negation --> Negation of the Negation
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>>408070 > taking issue with the meme format only to change some names
>>408050 This is partially Stirner's issue. He wanted to take the piss out of dialectics by using pure negation but this often goes overlooked.
>>407650 About the *cough* domination, the *cough* thing about the domination of man over nature *COUGH* well *cough* saying that in these times is like *cough* I mean *cough* I *cough* when I read that I was *cough* and I'm still *cough* *COUGH*
>>408070 It's actually abstract -> negative -> concrete, you retarded tankie. If you're going to be autistic then do it right.
>>408271 It just dawned on me what you are trying to say. But no, a couple of niggas catching the flu doesn't mean man's domination over nature is CANCELLED.
>>408297 It's Understanding, Dialectic and Speculative. Read Hegel.
How's yall's quarentine going? I've been trying to read theory but its been hard, having my school library shut down has been heartbreaking, and I've been smoking wayy to much weed
>>408686 >and I've been smoking wayy to much weed Me too, man. It's all I do. Also internet is fuckin slow as shit because so many lumpen are usin it to jerk off. Tough times.
>>408686 I'm an essential service so I still have to work, my roommate has been watching Tiger King and playing Animal Crossing or some jojo game, and my gf is on her period so fucking is bloody or doesn't happen. But I got time to read stuff and have liquor so it ain't all bad. Hope none of y'all die unless you want to.
>>408304 Yes, absolutely. Adorno sees domination of man over nature as something bad.
>>408297 >>408660 it's both
>>408765 Not exactly, Adorno sees the domination of man over nature as something that has two sides, one good and one bad.
>>408765 Friendship with Adorno cancelled Stewardship even is not enough, catastrophes with mass extinctions have happened before humans existed what is required is mastery
>>408686 I am working from home.
>>408783 Domination is the bad side of the Enlightenment.
>>409475 Domination is the enlightenment but also the thing that brings us to our own destruction.
Have any Russian speakers translated Lev Chernyi’s work? I haven’t been able to find anything really.
>>408660 >Read Hegel I refuse.
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What is a spook?
>>418442 A concept that becomes fixed in your mind as a thing greater than yourself and then procedes to frighten you into doing dumb shit that is against your interests.
Any literature on economics?
>>408049 If you think Bunkerchan is extremely tankie you should have seen /leftypol/ back when BO was in his prime.
>>420715 Sounds based. too many anarkids, glowies and lifestylists nowadays
>>420719 BO banned all criticism of the Iranian regime even though the Ayatollah killed marxists to ascend to power lmao.
>>408700 >in post-left thread >hates lumpens Actually kill yourself, anon.
>>420715 I remember, bunkerchan is still predominantly tankie and the folks from old /leftypol/, /anarcho/, and og /dead/ have largely disappeared.
>>421442 Bunker in contrast to 8/leftypol is not largely tankie, it is largely Marxist. Improve the theoretical critique of Marxism and this won't be the case anymore. We both know that won't happen.
>>421577 >it is not largely tankie, it is largely group of which tankies are the majority of ok >fite me in the marketplace of ideas and you fags call others idealist
>Santiago, Chile: Solidarity is the Virus that Capitalism Fears https://anarchistsworldwide.noblogs.org/post/2020/03/28/santiago-chile-solidarity-is-the-virus-that-capitalism-fears/ >A day of robberies in big chain stores to distribute to homeless people. Audio-visual material recorded in the streets of Santiago, $hile in times of quarantine and militarized curfew under the pretext of the Covid-19 virus. >Background music: Golpebalabeso/Niña Debacle/Paniko. Recorded in Chauri Chaura Studio. >All sanitary measures were taken to avoid harming the street people in terms of hygiene and viruses, but the use of white overalls is a gesture of rebellion and action against the power here in the territory governed by the $hilean state. Many high school students resist and attack the police in their jails-schools while wearing these clothes that the police hate and fear. Here is a video for those who didn’t know and to give some context. Chilliean anarchists really go hard. whydon't they get any love here? especially since mmost users here are from aerica.
>>421639 >whydon't they get any love here? Because this board is ignorant of anything outside "the west" or state media.
>>421644 Touche, anon. Sad but true.. T_T
>>421644 >>421639 Well, you could make a thread about that yourselves if you think that's important and relevant enough to be known.
>>421676 Not sure why a bunch of ML's would care what a bunch of anti-social and whatnot anarchists are doing. These people literally believe that people llike us should get he bullet or gulag for being limpens...
>>421639 Because you guys hardly ever make threads. >A day of robberies in big chain stores to distribute to homeless people. Audio-visual material recorded in the streets of Santiago, $hile in times of quarantine and militarized curfew under the pretext of the Covid-19 virus. >All sanitary measures were taken to avoid harming the street people in terms of hygiene and viruses, but the use of white overalls is a gesture of rebellion and action against the power here in the territory governed by the $hilean state. Many high school students resist and attack the police in their jails-schools while wearing these clothes that the police hate and fear. Here is a video for those who didn’t know and to give some context. This news is a pleasant surprise to me.
>>421701 >Because you guys hardly ever make threads. Because they (any @ thread) get derailed by whiny MLs 100% of the time. Even this one regularly. If they cared they could just check the anarcho blogs, but they wont because most dont care and you cant shitpost on blogs and actually haveto engage with content so there is no need to go there for 99% of the board..
>>421699 Not everyone here is a ML, it's quite absurd not to make a thread just because you're anticipating the negative replies of ML which you believe would be a majority. >>421712 >Because they (any @ thread) get derailed by whiny MLs 100% of the time. Even this one regularly. Can you point me to examples of that ITT or in other threads? Don't you think that complaining about MLs having a complete hold on this board while at the same time refusing to post anything because they would allegedly derail your threads is a self-defeating attitude?
>>421747 Dude, check last thread. lots of whining about 'anarkiddies' and 'smashies' there. Also: >>407676 >>407781 >>418442 >>408700 at a quick scan.
>>421747 Also, tbh i'm just glad we can have one thread here. Hopefully iwll get our own board up soon but why would we provoke the aire of hte autists by making own threads just for them to shit on and come here to shit this one up too?
>>421759 Definitely fuck the whining MLsl there was a lot of laughs in the "questions for anarchists" thread, even though I must admit a worrying amount of stupidity came from people with anarchy flags. I am not post-left by any means and I would be an example of someone (although an anarchist) being 'critical' in the last thread. I just see the illegalism, insurrectionism, and 'rebellion' of the post-left as stale. If only because it doesn't happen in most European countries, and even those wherein it happens it tends to fail/be exaggerated by anarchists. As an example: the CCF is a massive meme; a collective of non-achievers who have only firebombed innocent civilians.
>>421860 anon pls no cri for dead usurers
It amuses me that so many people here get so triggered by this thread and nihlists and post-leftists in general. Like, I'm an ML, and I have no problem with this thread; after all this is just a mimosa hostilis harvesting Paraguayan board, why would you people get so rustled by this? This isn't a party, it isn't an org, it isn't a trade union, it's not even a forum to organize online or anything like that. If it were I would somewhat understand the hostility towards such pessimistic people, which would potentially undermine your efforts but here? Seriously? It bothers you commies that badly? That's pretty fucking unrad and very cringe.
>>421759 If this is what prevents you from posting you might want to stop using imageboards altogether and go to more tightly moderated discussion spaces, I say that non sarcastically, this kind of derailing is really mild for an imageboard. But I will now stop derailing this thread with meta. Polite sage.
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>>421872 >This isn't a party, it isn't an org, it isn't a trade union Many people here seem to think that it is, or that their shitposting will automatically turn into material reality without them having to lift their fingers.
>>421947 They're post-leftists. This means that they're irredeemably individualist. You are mistaken on the most basic level.
>>421978 >individualist not sure but i don’t think that’s how post-leftism works
>>421947 Indeed, the commodification of political ideologies in /leftypol/ has always been quite the spectacle to me.
>>421991 What makes the post left non commodified?
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>>421986 >how post-leftism works
>>422006 I wasn't implying that post-leftists (whatever that means) in Bunkerchan (and on other websites or social networks) haven't commodified their political identity, au contraire.
>>421991 wot mate? post-left and indiivdualism are married. in america indivu8dalist " certainly falls under the banner of post-left. I think hteo nly people that seriously think it isn't are those tiqquinista fucks.
>>421986 Do you want any writing on this? I'd say wolfi was an individualist, wouldn't you? >>421860 > As an example: the CCF is a massive meme; a collective of non-achievers who have only firebombed innocent civilians A. What di you think the CCF set out to achieve? B. Why do you think they failed? >>421862 kek >>421874 Hasn't been as bad in this itteration of hte thread, yea, but you can look at the last thred too. Besides, if they're going to come here to premier autismo and not shit on everything we do and claim we need bullets/cocentraion camped gulag for being lumpen or for fighting capital and state under our own terms in our own thread which most of the userbase have probably ignores or sets as hiiden anyway I still don't understand why they wont do there regular /leftypol/ac spergouts if for example i made a thread about the kurdish/turkish attacks on turkish infrastructure in solidarity with the YPG/J and PPK, for example ; https://anarchistsworldwide.noblogs.org/post/2020/03/23/turkey-children-of-fire-initiative-engulf-turkish-state-fascists-in-the-flames-of-newroz/ https://anarchistsworldwide.noblogs.org/post/2020/02/20/turkey-new-action-report-from-the-children-of-fire-initiative/ https://anarchistsworldwide.noblogs.org/post/2020/01/18/osmaniye-turkey-revenge-units-attack-armored-police-vehicle-3-turkish-police-killed/ I mean, these are maybe not even post-let anarchists, they are probably leftists but the ML's will sperg out for them both notot following traditional marxist orthodoxy and for them being kurds which /leftypol/ always has seemed to have a real racehate against. The point is, these are leftists and these spergs will still sperg, I couldn't imagine posting atual anarchist content here without being shit on 100% by a bunch of literal teenage or sheltered middle class uni student fuck burgers. I like parts of this site but it is not conducive to good conversation/discourse. We'll probably have a new chan soon, like 0chan but not shit n1x plz die. mostly only issue is me being dolescum affording the server costs atm, something i'd happily take donations for. Also, would happily run a board here if they were accept a little money to the (marginal) hosting fees. >Lots of civil and bureaucrat anarchists run breathless behind the alternative propositions for a more “fair” and “humane” leftist authority. This is the reformist tension of bureaucratic anarchy of the official federations, which crawl behind the social evolutions. Cheap politicians without a party, walkons of the insurrection, theoretical moles who speak with words and interpretations borrowed from the marxist ghosts of the past (self-management of the means of production, self-managed schools, popular assemblies, revolutionary militia, committees etc.). >To us, even those civil anarchists who have good intentions, look like dogs chasing their tails. There do exist some analyses from their part, but to us these analyses are just wrong because the questions are not the right ones. >If the official writing of history insists on basing the social interpretation of the world on economic plans, numbers and statistics of unemployment, what reason do we have to contribute and suggest the solution? >Why lose our time speaking a dead language, that promotes social reforms, since we desire the ruins of civilization? Why constrain the onslaught and the attack by reminiscing communist ghosts? They make political computations, we do not. >We make war.
Just posted this in another thread and had a little re-read again. this is a very great text coming out of the 'post-left'. imho. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/lupus-dragonowl-against-identity-politics >If oppression is the imposition of a structure in which people are assigned to spectres - of which both privileged and oppressed spectre are largely effects - then IPs actually entrench oppression by locking-in the spectres and intensifying normativity. If one assumes that hierarchical power is wrong because it prevents (non-white) people from living joyously, in the flow of becoming of their own desires, then the subordination of autonomy to the primary contradiction is not an appropriate response. Anarchy goes further, because it opposes the underlying structure of domination of unique ones and flows of becoming by the order of spectres. IPs seek to abolish the privilege of a particular spectre; ideally, anarchists seeks to abolish the normative power of spectres in general - which necessarily also abolishes every spectre’s privilege. Stirnerian anarchy goes beyond unlearning privilege — the favouring of one spectre over another — to unlearning spectres — learning not to be subordinate to spectres. Affectively, the orientation of anarchy is to unmediated, active joy. There is a level of immediate, free becoming which is deeper than the hierarchy of spectres. Stirner theorises a kind of intense, joyous exercise of capacities “without reservations” (171), giving “free play” to one’s capabilities (167), and playing “as freely as possible” (130). Bonanno argues that capitalism denies us an experience of active (rather than passive) joy, and counsels a “search for joy... through the search for play,” driven by a “vital impulse that is always new, always in movement.” In the excitement of play “lies the possibility to break with the old world and identify with new aims and other values and needs” (15-16). Hakim Bey argues that insurrections and autonomous zones should create peak experiences of extraordinary consciousness and intensity (TAZ). Such peak experiences are “value-formative on the individual level,” allowing a “transformation of everyday life” (Occult Assault). Various anarchist practices, from the TAZ to rewilding, from joyous insurrectionary struggle to dropping-out and living differently, are means of recovering this level of becoming and immediacy. >In contrast, the dominant affects for IPs are wallowing in the loss of immediacy and the inevitability of alienation (guilt, melancholy, inadequacy), a kind of joyless anger. They reproduce a style of politics which focuses on telling people “how to behave” (Dot Matrix, CWS), conditioning people into roles which reproduce the power of the spectacle. IPs reproduce conventional morality and its structures of ressentiment — negative affect (often including irrational, even self-destructive, verbal or physical lashing out) towards others as an expression of one’s own powerlessness, in contrast to celebration of one's power. I have lost my capacity to enjoy; you have stolen it; you must be punished.
>>423027 I wish not to read that CCF faeces again, I had already done it a while back and was disappointed by it then so I see no need to piss about with this any further. >killing wageslaves is how we liberate ourselves :D Just grow up, you need to move past this edgy phase. In addition, the praxis of these freaks is in no way political or emancipatory. At least illegalists bombed those in power and not random people who have no effect in the 'prison we call life'. You're not new nor interesting. You have been mocked for years. https://youtu.be/fYGf4KQGeo8?t=325 It's just pathetic
>>423199 >Just grow up, you need to move past this edgy phase. In addition, the praxis of these freaks is in no way political or emancipatory. I you think there actions were supposed to be political or emancipatory shows you do not understand hte 'post-left' or nihilist-anarchism. at least understand what you're trying to crtiqiue and develop a decent one before trying. you clearly don't even understand the core concepts. Yet another instance of ML shitposting? sighhhh.
>>423209 It is explicitly emancipatory you dumby. It is a freedom from the world, the existence of which is "just like being in a prison." (p. 5). How? Through admonishing yourselves of leaders "because we are anarchists and do not want neither leaders" (p. 7)&c. Do you not comprehend your own pseudo-philosophy? It is a shamefully base level of nihilism, a 'nihilism' that doesn't really have much to say other than repeat the teenage platitudes of a surface level reading of Nietzsche or Stirner for example. I'm obviously the person you responded to, how is this a mystery to you? I am an anarchist.
>>423287 You're an anarchist? Surprising. I think when we're talking emancipatory politics the idea is that you want to emancipate a bunch of people, not just grab some autonomy for you and your affinities. The former would be tossed as a humanist/collectivist idea. If you're an anarchist and throw away stirner and nietzche, two of the biggest influences in the 'post-left' part of our tendency, why do you post here? You will not convert anyone, most of us will have already have been red anarchists for years before this. People rarely revert to something they have developed a strong critique of..
>>423304 Wrong again. This is bull shit arbitrary definition mongering. See the Black Panthers and their emancipatory individualism. >If you're an anarchist and throw away stirner and nietzche I didn't, you cannot read. I'm also not trying to convert anyone, stop confusing yourself and focus on what is being said; I even came here moaning, rather pathetically, about MLs. Your critiques of anarchism (not your reactionary 'just kill the wage slaves and we'll overcome a bleak, dull existence :D') are not based in anything other than wild speculative idealism.
>>423311 >idealism <Pursuit of one's ideals, often without regard to practical ends. I see nothing wrong with this. Was gonna quote some WOlfi but this is what i had up in another tab, incidentily: >Affectively, the orientation of anarchy is to unmediated, active joy. There is a level of immediate, free becoming which is deeper than the hierarchy of spectres. Stirner theorises a kind of intense, joyous exercise of capacities “without reservations” (171), giving “free play” to one’s capabilities (167), and playing “as freely as possible” (130). Bonanno argues that capitalism denies us an experience of active (rather than passive) joy, and counsels a “search for joy... through the search for play,” driven by a “vital impulse that is always new, always in movement.” In the excitement of play “lies the possibility to break with the old world and identify with new aims and other values and needs” (15-16). Hakim Bey argues that insurrections and autonomous zones should create peak experiences of extraordinary consciousness and intensity (TAZ). Such peak experiences are “value-formative on the individual level,” allowing a “transformation of everyday life” (Occult Assault). Various anarchist practices, from the TAZ to rewilding, from joyous insurrectionary struggle to dropping-out and living differently, are means of recovering this level of becoming and immediacy.
Just scrolled quickly through here but all of you sound like massive faggots lmao
>>423317 It's nice to see you are just larping then. Thanks. I shall conclude that all anarcho-nihilists are acting in the same vein.
>>423320 >not being proud of being a massive faggot. wew
>>423344 >LARPING How? do you have any expansion on what you're thinking to make this claim? or are you just throwing buuz words around like a prick?
>>423027 More of an egoist; I think the difference is somewhat meaningful. Stirnerites I can stand. Not as hot on smashies who don't read, or snowflakes.
>>429193 Why do you think the CCF people arn't well read? Why do you think anyone is a snowflake?
https://wrenchinthegears.com/2020/04/08/will-covid-19-certificates-trigger-biometric-digital-identity-roll-out/ I hope none of the posters in this thread are a disease risk otherwise I will have to ask the mods to ban them!
Agamben's blog published an article on Ivan Illich by David Cayley (in English): https://www.quodlibet.it/david-cayley-questions-about-the-current-pandemic-from-the-point Some of the statements make me suspicious of Cayley being sympathetic to neoliberalism (muh small businesses), but the core of the article is Illich's critique of our obsession with survival as ultimate value to which both life and death are sacrificed.
>>434679 > That we must at all costs “save lives” is not questioned. Except if it is the lives of refugees stuck on the Mediterranean.
>>431348 I’m not someone who claimed CCF aren’t well-read, I have no beef with them. As a burger, however, I have seen plenty of left and especially anarcho-snowflakeisms in the couple years I spent in these milieus and doing activism. Maybe they just weren’t of the black/nihilist enough kind?
>"We have been completely drenched with the progress of technology. To end up with what? Heavenly flights to Mars and the terrestrial absence of beds and respirators in the hospitals." -r Vaneigem http://www.notbored.org/people.pdf
whats our favourite ways of rebbelling
>>436548 Sucking the dick of a popular nazi group's main honcho and then watch as the group dissolves
>>436548 uploading cum tributes of greta thunberg onto twitter
>>436568 this.
>>436548 I sage in stickies.
>>436548 jaywalking
>>436548 I steal whatever I can get away with.
Are Tiqqun the first to have pointed out the oppressive character of cybernetics? I guess Deleuze's Postscript on the Societies of Control goes in a similar direction. Who else talked about this?
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>>439633 The Situationists already talk about it. It was a big buzzword in their time, similar to "Machine Learning" today. I don't remember if there's a single article that is especially about it, but it is a reoccurring topic in their works (at the top of my head, I remember it appearing at least in "All the King's Men" and "Basic Banalities"). It might be a fun project to research.
anybody know what's up with the anarchist library? only the english site has been giving me connection errors for about a week. different language subdomains like fr.theanarchistlibrary.org work.
>>448776 The site has been pretty on and off since Aragorn! died. He was the one running the site.
>>436548 I spam 8chan with cow.vg even though the site is gone just for kicks
>>448854 dog bless de usa :DDDD
>>448907 >Aragorn! could never take the guy seriously because he's named after a lotr character
>>448923 It's exclamation mark that really does it.
>>448923 He seemed like a stand up guy imo. Yeah the name was a little goofy but his parents were basically hippies (his father tried to create a commune with his friends lmao). Can't be surprised that he was named after Tolkien's character.
>>448923 Should have been Samwise! tbh
>>449027 wait, are you saying that's his actual name? is there also an exclamation mark on his ID card?
I genuinely fucking despise the American left. God damn. We are on track to be fucking death-camped by pepe the frog hat wearing shitposters but we'd rather cum in our pants over decades old theory and larp as Marxist-Leninists in fringe parties with absolutely zero influence on anything. Literally all we have to do to avoid what's coming is create a synthesis between Left and right populism- anti-Capitalist, anti-imperialist, patriotism and run as Republican. Focus strictly on economics, trade. Trump fucking won by pretending to be a revolutionary.
>>449067 i don't know how you stumbled in here but you sure as hell don't belong
>>449097 Cool dude. I'm sorry I don't want to be death camped because of our incompetency. Keep pretending to be a revolutionary jerking off to failed revolutionary states
>>449183 Why on earth are you posting about burger electorialism in the narcho thread? Your target audience here doesn't even vote.
>>449054 The exclamation part I have no idea, but his legal name is in fact Aragorn. He had an interview with Crimethinc explaining it.
>>439633 Baudrillard. His "Forget Foucault" even attacks Deleuze and Foucault as being complicit with cybernetics: >We see what benefit there is over the old finalist, dialectical, or repressive theories in supposing a total positivity, a teleonomy and a microphysics of power, but we must also see what we are getting into: a strange complicity with cybernetics which challenge pre­cisely the same earlier schemas (Foucault does not, for that matter, hide his affinity with Jacob, Monod, and recently Jacques Ruffié). The same can be said of Deleuze's molecular topology of desire, whose flows and connections will soon converge - if they have not already done so - with genetic simulations, micro cellular drifts, and the random facilitations of code manipulators. It's hard to point out a single text though because his more explicit polemics against cybernetics are scattered across all of his works. Virilio is also relevant, but he mostly writes about the phenomenological aspects (interfaces, interactivity, augmented reality, instantaneity, ubiquity, etc.) although he also has some writings about "control environments" (e.g. smart houses and smart cities) and such. Also, why not read the source - the cyberneticians themselves? Norbert Wiener was the main initial ideologue and popularizer of cybernetics, he invented the word itself and established it as a discipline. Read his "The Human Use of Human Beings: Cybernetics and Society": >In response to a certain demand for me to make its ideas acceptable to the lay public, I published the first edition of The Human Use of Human Beings in 1950. These days you can get more radical critical theory straight from propaganda than from some lazy Foucault wannabes. Power has no need to hide itself anymore when it has integrated everything anyway, it instead explicitly promotes itself as power.
>>436548 viral coronation
>>421631 >tankies >majority in the marxist school of thought In Western societies (which most posters in this forum come from) tankies are clearly a minority among marxist thinkers. This statement of yours is only a prove of your sheer ignorance on the subject. Not all marxists are stalin-fanboys. In fact, most probably the tankies are a minority even in this place, albeit they tend to be a vocal one. There are many plain socialists, libertarian communists, some maoists and guevarists, and even the ocasional SocDem/DemSoc in this forum, who use the marxist theoretical framework as a tool of analisys. If you cannot even distinguish their political stances, you are just a dunce or an ignorant. Are you a petty-bourgeois rad-lib or something?
>>449923 pretty much everybody is a tankie now, you know since that word has been watered down and diluted like it's homeopathy Initially Tankie didn't even include Stalin.
>>449923 >In Western societies (which most posters in this forum come from) tankies are clearly a minority among marxist thinkers. The first is a hell of a qualifier dare I say yurocentric? and the rest conflates "thinkers" with "people who call themselves marxist" which is also a laughable error. The prevelance of someone like Dauve doesn't negate the thousands of folks like "stalinslut420". >Not all marxists are stalin-fanboys. That's not what I said, and given the context of my post it was obvious I was talking about self-identified marxists on /leftypol/. >In fact, most probably the tankies are a minority even in this place, albeit they tend to be a vocal one Most polling we have shows tanks to be a plurality or majority of posters. >Are you a petty-bourgeois rad-lib or something? I wish, I'm an electrician that has to work during the pandemic and struggles to pay rent.
>>450069 >Most polling we have shows tanks to be a plurality or majority of posters.
>>449923 Tankies are a minority among thinkers because they don't think lmao
>>450092 That's an anti-ML song, you know... > And because a person is a person, > he doesn't need a boot to the face! > He wants no slaves under him, > and no masters above! > > And because a prole is a prole, > no one else will free him. > The liberation of the working class > is the job of the worker.
>>436312 He said very little, why did it need ten pages? Having finished it, I don't think it made me better off.
>>450116 maybe that's why historically they got things done >>450128 I don't see how this would be anti Ml
>>450255 > I don't see how this would be anti Ml Try thinking maybe? But only if you are not too busy getting things done.
>>449029 RIP brother. Q.Q
>>448907 Lots of people running the sites, yea, it's a bit harder atm because of the transitionary period and the LBC crew are having some problems because of medical bills, etc.
>>458224 Is it possible to help them somehow? I miss the library.
are any of you lads into harsh noise? been depressed lately and it helps
>>463570 I like depressive/suicidal black metal
>>448776 Good news: it works again.
I thought this thread was dead. Thought post-leftists buggered off to another site.
Why did you all go? Is there a new anarchist imageboard that I missed?
>>478199 i'm still here
>>471949 This thread is /dead/ anon. >>478199 By and large most left (both the post-left/black anarchists and the red anarchists) and went who knows where. Hopefully they're still alive and doing something more productive and/or enjoyable than posting on a /pol/ fork for edgy socdems and rpers (which isn't a high bar). To my knowledge there is no place where old /leftypol/ anarchists inhabit.
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>>407806 Not really that revolution is impossible, more so that it's not happening and isn't likely to happen in the immediate future.
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>>449029 F we miss you aragorn thank you for all you've done to spread anarchy
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>>482761 unfortunately cops are very real
>>482830 It's still best to abolish the ones in your mind before the real life ones.
>>407854 I finished socalism betrayed and im now on das capital for beginners. Might take a break and continue the dark tower series uwu, im on the third book I really want to start reading on African socalism. This Fanon book is kinda boring me :-/
>>408700 Ive actually stopped jerking amd decided to nofap this month All my hentai folders. Lost like tears in the rain
>>482830 >>484800 Yes, you abolish the "cop" in your head, so what confronts you then is a thug with a gun, with more of his friends with guns (like a gang really) and they're able to overpower you and imprison you in a concrete box (that some of their other friends have).
>>484820 wretched of the earth is a good read :c
>>449067 >why would a capitalist electoral system favor pro fascists and suppress commies!!!?? You're genuinely stupid arent you
This is a comfy thread. Shame all the posties fucked off to.. who knows where, and that bunkerchan is a dumpster fire like always
>>499141 >bunkerchan is a dumpster fire like always yeah, it's a shame. i'd honestly be happy if at least we had a leftcom consensus like back in the days, instead of the tankies' vulgar marxism. i'll blame it on twitter influx.
>>499302 We had to become Tankies if we wanted idpol to go away.
>>499310 What made you think this? (It's in error, btw).
>>499141 Yeah, posties are the only ones who consistently get how bad anthropogenic climate change is. I hope they're ok. >>499302 Eh, judging how leftcoms are elsewhere that wouldn't be much of an improvement. >>499310 In my experience, Tankies irl either adopt the "sjw idpol" (everyone who disagrees with me is a white supremacist) or "conservative idpol" (muh trannies). I'd wager that it will end up splitting any emergent tank movement, moreso than the standard splits over foreign policy analysis or sexual assaults.
>>499310 But tankies are extremely idpol prone? They are almost even worse than the anarkiddies?
>>499350 Stop complaining or we'll go juche
>>499461 Juche is idpol.
>>499468 Are you ok retard?
I've been browsing this recently, it seems pretty interesting.
>>499601 Just read that a couple of weeks ago. It's a nice introduction to Nietzschean/Deleuzean anarchism imo and it's pretty interesting how he ties classical anarchists like Proudhon or Bakunin into it. Sometimes it gets repetitive and oversimplifies things though, but that's in the nature of a lexicon.
>>499680 Oh someone not only heard of it, but even read it! How did you come across it? I saw it on Minor Compositions. Did you read it cover to cover? I just randomly open it, and read the entries that catch my eyes. Do you remember any entries that you really liked or would recommend reading?
>>499726 Back when I was getting into Deleuze I thought a lot of his ideas have a kind of anarchist bent to them, especially the stuff about nomadic war machines and the state in Thousand Plateaus. I was curious if anyone had written on this and so I went ahead and searched for "Deleuze anarchism" on libgen and this book popped up. I read it mostly alphabetically, though I skipped some stuff that didn't particularly interest me. I really like the idea that you can just read the entries in whatever order you want to though. What interested me most were determinism/free will, responsibilty/guilt and related entries because that's a particularly fascinating aspect of Nietzsche's philosophy imo.
>>499757 Thank you. Maybe some day I will read it cover-to-cover too.
>>499601 >>499680 There's another book in the same vein that I've been wanting to read called Deleuze and Anarchism, but I can't find a pdf of it anywhere and the physical edition is expensive as fuck. Otherwise I'd just buy and scan it and put it on libgen. https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-deleuze-and-anarchism.html There's also this really good essay from Edmund Berger about Deleuze and market anarchism that is very worth reading, even if you're not into C4SS market anarchism stuff: https://c4ss.org/content/47692 But basically yeah, Deleuze, like Nietzsche, has a strong anarchist bent to his ideas that hasn't been explored very much by self-identified anarchists. Personally I think that's just because a lot of anarchists (including posties) seem to not be interested in anything that isn't self-identified as anarchist. And it takes a bit of work to read through Deleuze and convincingly argue that his ideas are useful to anarchism at the very least, if not could form the foundations for an anarchist theory that isn't either Marxism-lite or mostly just critique in the case of posties with little in the way of positive alternatives. Not that the critique isn't valuable, but I think that post-left anarchy has stagnated significantly and that there hasn't been anything to come out of the anarchist milieu so far that presents a new alternative for moving forward.
>>499601 This looks great and I will give it a skim at least. >>501662 Admittedly I'm not well read on Deleuze, but going by the c4ss essay he did consider himself a Marxist or at least was heavily influenced by old karl (even if unorthodox). If that's the case, how would it "form the foundations for an anarchist theory that isn't...Marxism-lite"? As someone who would probably be considered an ancom, it seems like this would be our current situation where Marxism-lite informs our understanding of the State, but with more french pretentiousness and less grumpy 19th century imitation.
>>501662 > I can't find a pdf of it anywhere When did you last check?
>>502283 Why are there so many "Deluze and" books?
>>502811 Deleuze has really really big fingers and has a really tough time writting, either on paper or on a keyboard. For this reason he used to hire a typist, but one day his typist was ill and some colleague of his assisted him in typing for him - through this they started discussing the text and found that this was a much more dialectical method of writing (coming close to schizo-[unconscious-unleashed]-writing), concluding that the matrix-simulacrum is an asshole burning bright like the sun. That colleague was albert eistein.
>>502811 Are there?
>>502811 >[P]hilosophy, the history of philosophy, is en­cumbered with the problem of being, IS. They discuss the judgement of attribution (the sky is blue) and the judgement of existence (God is), which presupposes the other. But it is always the verb to be and the question of the principle. [...] >The whole of grammar, the whole of the syllogism, is a way of maintaining the subordination of conjunctions to the verb to be, of making them gravitate around the verb to be. One must go further: one must make the encounter with relations penetrate and corrupt everything, undermine being, make it topple over. Substitute the AND for IS. A and B. The AND is not even a specific relation or conjunction, it is that which subtends all relations, the path of all relations, which makes relations shoot outside their terms and outside the set of their terms, and outside everything which could be de­termined as Being, One, or Whole. The AND as extra-being, inter-being. Relations might still establish themselves between their terms, or between two sets, from one to the other, but the AND gives relations another direction, and puts to flight terms and sets, the former and the latter on the line of flight which it actively creates. Thinking with AND, instead of thinking IS, instead of thinking for IS: empiricism has never had another secret. Try it, it is a quite extraordinary thought, and yet it is life. The empiricists think in this way, that is all there is to it. And it is not the thought of an aesthete, as when one says 'one more ', 'one more woman'. And it is not a dialectical thought, as when one says 'one gives two, which will give three'. The multiple is no longer an adjective which is still subordinate to the One which divides or the Being which encompasses it. It has become noun, a multiplicity which constantly inhabits each thing. A multiplicity is never in terms, however many there are, nor in their set or totality. A multiplicity is only in the AND, which does not have the same nature as the elements, the sets or even their relations. While it may come about between just two, it nevertheless sends dualism off course. The AND has a fundamental sobriety, a poverty, an ascesis. Apart from Sartre, who remained caught none the less in the trap of the verb to be, the most important philosopher in France was Jean Wahl. He not only introduced us to an encounter with English and American thought, but had the ability to make us think, in French, things which were very new; he on his own account took this art of the AND, this stammering of language in itself, this minoritarian use of language, the furthest.
>>502837 >asshole burning bright like the sun that was bataille iirc. did anyone here read what he wrote on fascism and the sacred and profane? pretty great imo
Here’s the way I remember hearing the story, I don’t know if it’s true per se, and I don’t suppose it much matters. There was an anti-IMF consulta in DC, and representatives from all over the world were discussing what actions their communities would take locally. Person by person, they detailed comprehensive plans for direct actions, balancing risks and possible rewards, the various statements they would be making, the composition of coalitions, etc. These kinds of meetings can stretch on and on, and are often filled with all sorts of bullshit posturing and rarefied code words. In short, they can be insufferable. The discussion finally gets around to a Greek anarchist group. The Greeks are internationally known for being especially militant (and awesome). Their spokesman addresses the assembly and says simply, “We will make total destroy.” Everyone looks incredulous and confused. The Greek spokesman, fearing he has miscommunicated, excuses himself to confer with his group. He speaks with them in hurried Greek, and the rest of the assembly seems relieved that there will be further explanation. After the short clarification, the spokesman turns to the room again and says, “Yes, we will make total destroy.”
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>>511898 I member! Glad there’s still some oldies around
>>459970 Go to the library irc and ask if they’re accepting donations due to the circumstances. IRC.anarchyplanet.org

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