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On the subject of thread IDs Anonymous Board volunteer 03/22/2020 (Sun) 21:19:27 Id:9c9588 No. 386800
Hello, I'm caballo, one of the moderators, I wanted to make a statement about this current issue to clear up some possible misconceptions and try to avoid the discussions from spilling over onto the whole board. Q: Why would you do this??? A: I felt that this would make it easier for people to carry on civilised discussions with each other without having to worry about mistaking each other or saying "I'm the same anon as this post" constantly, and so on. Another volunteer posed the issue as being about preventing samefagging, and it could possibly help with that, but I want to make clear that I personally did not approve this vote because I felt it was some drastic decision to tackle that issue. Q: Why did you not consult us about such a major decision? A: It is worth noting that this vote was announced in the moderation topic and a few people gave their opinions (as the manifesto dictates) but honestly, I did not consider it personally to be a major decision at the time. In retrospect, perhaps that is foolish, but I was really just considering this as a 'quality of life upgrade'. I do not use 4chan or other boards with user IDs so perhaps I did not appreciate that they might significantly change the face of discussion. I also did not realise that it would be such a controversial change and that people's feelings would be so heated. Q: I'm leaving the board because of this! A: Well anon, that isn't really a question, but please don't say anything rash like that, I personally apologise if this change upset you and ruined your day. I genuinely feel bad that people are upset over this and feel hurt by it. Q: Will you remove these IDs? A: I can't honestly tell you that right now, due to the nature of our internal moderation democracy decisions are not always made quickly and once they are made can be difficult to change. I personally have been swayed by some of the more lengthy and constructive criticism that users have made, and I no longer think thread IDs in their current implementation are a good idea. If they are to be used on leftypol, we should certainly have a longer and more thorough consultation about it that respects the users' feelings. I will keep you up to date on this process. Q: Do you represent the rest of the mods? A: No, I only represent myself, however I can tell you that almost all of us do feel bad that this has caused so much consternation and many of the mods also voted against the original decision also. I am sorry, anons. t. Caballo I would ask respectfully that you use this thread to for further feedback about this issue and not spam the board with more threads about this issue. Thank you and I do appreciate your feedback.
>>386800 Is there a way I can filter out posters by id without it being displayed? I would prefer that option.
Keep IDs, it's a good anti-shitposting measure and the abuse of them is heavily exaggerated, especially since they don't carry between threads
Please reconsider this.
Tell these retards to uninstall
This drama is funny.
>janny thread downvoted
>>386818 Not carrying between threads doesn't matter when many threads last more than a week and a good number of them are cyclical. For certain sub communities (especially national threads) you wind up giving everyone an ID that will endure for that entire time and will probably eventually de-anonymize them entirely as people come to recognize tendencies and typing styles. On top of that there's an additional dilemma: While for cyclical threads you'll have to endure your ID as long as you keep your current IP address, for any thread that moves between one thread and another at the bump limit you find yourself with the choice of continuing a conversation and outing your current ID (by connecting it to all your posts in the prior thread), or letting an interesting conversation die to maintain some degree of anonymity. On top of all the other disadvantages it creates, IDs have a chilling effect on good posting. People hold back when they realize they're not really anonymous, even if only within (in ideal circumstances) a single fast moving thread, let alone the actual condition of the board: multiple mid-speed threads.
>>386839 Ngl I’ve been laughing my ass off the whole time If the jannies wanted to fuck with us this was the perfect way
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Death to the Bourgeoisie and its lapdogs – Long live the Red Terror MODS ARE RETARDS WHO APPARENTLY COULDN'T EVEN LOOK AT POST HISTORY TO SEE IF PEOPLE ARE SAMEFAGGING
This clearly is an extremely unpopular decision which I voted for but seeing how the overwhelming majority of you are against it and taking into account the pros and cons I regret voting in favor of it.
If it’s such an easy work around, why all this mad?
>>386845 >On top of all the other disadvantages it creates, IDs have a chilling effect on good posting. People hold back when they realize they're not really anonymous, even if only within (in ideal circumstances) a single fast moving thread, let alone the actual condition of the board: multiple mid-speed threads. This is an actual real concern. It's going to be a lot of self-censorship here and I don't think that is a good thing on a leftist forum.
>>386845 >People hold back when they realize they're not really anonymous They hold back their shit posting and think their shit through before hitting reply
>>386853 Meant to post with mod tags
>>386856 Shitposters will continue to shitpost. Earnest but self-conscious posters will stop posting.
>>386845 Nobody but retards who shitpost are going to have their posting chilled by IDs, because shitposters can now be more easily filtered even if they change IPs and it takes more effort to samefag anonymously. Meanwhile how will good posters be affected? If people try to harass by ID, it is easy to report for shitposting and filter. Literally all anti-ID arguments can be solved through the ID system or are based on personal aesthetic horror of having an ID.
chapo mod making his personal imageboard discord more like reddit <imagine my shock
>>386800 its not your fault mod, dont feel bad
>>386855 >>386866 If they are so self conscious they can just use the Questions that Dont Deserve Their Own Thread thread to do what it is meant to do, and they won't be tracked between threads.
>>386867 YOU CAN EASILY IDENTIFY SAMEFAGS
AND NO I WILL NOT TURN OFF CAPSLOCK
>>386867 That is not how it's going to work in reality. Shitposters will not care, all you need is a good VPN and you are ready to go. Regular posters will self censor out of fear of saying anything stupid.
>>386871 They will be tracked within thread which will be enough for them to self censor.
You know! I really support IDs! In fact, let's have permanent IDs that we access with passwords, yeah! We can even keep track of good contributors with a sort of "karma" perhaps with a vote button on each post!
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>>386848 ANONYMOUS VANGAURD
i hope my id colour isnt shit brown
>>386883 *dab*
>>386880 uninstall nigger
>>386883 lmfao. sorry anon
>>386883 oh good it is
>>386867 >>386867 >use your phone, one of many free VPN providers or web proxies congratulations, you now have two IDs. feel free to cause absolute chaos by samefagging in bizarre ways while insisting that you're two different posters, while avoiding being banned by playing it off as a genuine misunderstanding rather than as two anonymous posters clearly causing trouble intentionally.
>>386883 how did you do that?
>I felt that this would make it easier for people to carry on civilised discussions with each other without having to worry about mistaking each other or saying "I'm the same anon as this post" constantly, and so on. I thought this would be a minor issue, were there complaints? Don’t people like us, coming to a site like this, just deal with it as part of having anonymity? And as another poster said, don’t feel bad.
Tbh i just wanna know when we get post histories and up-redditing
>>386886 woah that was a real negative comment downvoted
>>386892 legitimately pessimistic guesswork
>>386880 I want to give you some gold for that great suggestion.
>>386892 you DO know there is a way to change the color and ID's before you post right?
>>386895 keep uninstalling. and never come back
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>>386880 NO DONT DO IT DONT TURN INTO A PICKLE
>b-but it will stop shitposting I don't care if this system stops a single shitpost each day I will post 100 shitposts until this shit is fixed
>>386871 >post once in QTDDTOT >can't post again due to your ID remaining. But that's not the point: The point is that an ID serves as a reminder that your posts can be de-anonymized. It says "you're not really anonymous, it's just a convention that you aren't identified to other posters outside this thread." The chilling effect comes less from self consciousness and more from that fundamental problem. Within thread, yes, obviously you get a separate chilling effect from people judging posts from more than a week ago, using them to ad-hom your current unrelated arguments. But that's a different issue to the chilling effect caused by giving posts an identity badge, rather than leaving them all anonymous.
>>386906 yikes now this is problematics this is alot to unpack first start with therapy you have to go back chud
sudo rm -rf /
reddit moment
>>386906 >How dare you not want names and post histories and upvoting! If you like Reddit so much why the fuck are you here? Lmao
>>386907 pic related >>386904 put the color in your name field, like "orange" or "brown", it doesn't appear when you post, on mine i put orange
>>386908 I don't shitpost a lot but me and my cycling IPs can do a bit of damage if I put my mind to it.
>>386880 Sorry son, but I've noticed that you called the mods chapo in your post above and as a bootlicker can't help but discard all of your opinions from here on out. That'll be -1 social credit point gold, kind stranger.
>>386906 sublate yourself
>>386880 how do I upvote this gentleman and a scholar? EDIT: bunkergold? REALLY?
>>386914 projecting redditfag
>>386915 yikes choosing orange on purpose now thats problematic are you fishing for upvotes? downvoted
>>386922 you can easily uninstall on the click of a button bro
>>386922 Well, 1e0cc8, I don't like your tone in this thread. I'm keeping you on notice.
reddit bad Edit: My first gold is on a comment about this. I can't believe it, Reddit, you always surprise me. Thank you kind stranger for the gold, and thank you kind strangers for all the upvotes! I didn't think when I woke up today and found out my mom had super cancer that I'd actually be smiling today but you guys changed that. Thank you. When I had to put down my dog a few minutes ago I had tears in my eyes, I still do have tears, but now they're tears of joy! Thank you Reddit for all of these upvotes and the GOLD!! Wow I still cannot believe it. Hey, maybe we can push for platinum??? I've never had platinum before and would love to see what it does! My dad before he had his colonoscopy told me to "Try and live each day like its your last... And also get platinum on Reddit" and I don't want to let him down! I want to show my father that I'm strong and capable of overcoming impossible odds (those odds being getting platinum haha!). In conclusion I just want to thank each and every one of you guys for the hours of entertainment I get on this website, I love each and every one of you wonderful people, each and every one of you is unique and special and can do whatever you want!! I love all of you! Thank you so much for the gold and the upvotes!
>>386925 get trolled noob
Guys it's okay we can flee mod's stupidpol everyone join /r/bunkerchan2 instead
>>386929 just kidding, it's on subject field, my bad
>>386935 like this?
>>386935 you are mean
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this thread won the internet for today, caballo you are a gentleman and a scholar
>>386937 wait i think you have to put it on both, otherwise it doesn't work
get rid of the ids. could have put up a poll about it first
did it work?
>>386909 I give 0 shits about anonymity in regards to it being a string of characters limited to a specific thread, ultimately this only existed as an illusion because mods already could see whose posts were whose. Anonymity only matters insomuch as what is posted here does not track directly to anything permanent, which this does not. Chans aren't some kind of eyes wide shut style anonymous orgy or whatever, they are just a specific model or organizing posts, of which these IDs do not conflict with the central reason why chans are used. All of the other potential drawbacks are overstated and simply will not come to pass, or basically boil down to muh tradition. IDs are a positive change, it makes filtering of shitposters easier by giving a new, automatic way to filter even if they are posting as anon and it otherwise does not affect normal posting.
Who personally enjoys their new Auschwitz tatoo?
Here guys, it works, look
>>386945 GUISE THE NUMBERS THEY REDUCE MY M A X I M U M A N O N Y M I T Y
>>386944 looking through your post history it seems you visit /r/horsecock alot you do know oppression of animals is just as oppressive as capitalism? non-vegans out
>>386940 i wont fall for that again, you are a mean
>>386948 change it to red
>>386944 Shitposters are going to cycle IPs so it will be meaningless to filter them out.
>>386954 Ignore the nigger.
>>386954 try it for yourself man, you can't change everytime, there is a cooldown, i can't change rn
>>386959 They would already do this when ban evading so it just makes it harder for them without needing moderation intervention to begin with.
>>386944 None of this is borne out by the historical experience of using IDs on 4chan or 8chan
guys i figured out how the ID system chooses the string by IP and reverse engineered OPs ip and it is from FBI field office wtf
This was such a great post I was feeling like crap today after falling out with SO after coming back from therapy and its really brightened up my day, thanks for caring about my feelings Cabello, I hope we can upvote this to the top page! Edit: Thanks for the gold 😊 😊 😊
>>386966 malarkey detected
>>386944 I can tell by your posts here that you are a bit of a moron, so I'm just going to ignore you from now on.
Did it hurt to get your Treblinka tatoos anons? Mine's still kinda sore.
>>386969 this guy too wtf
>>386970 uninstall man
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IDs are anti-communist and a product of capitalist relations.
>>386966 uh pls leave this thread ccp shill. yikes.
>>386973 u/nwordcountbot
>>386944 >I give 0 shits about anonymity dox urself
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>>386977 appeal to n word count fallacy
>>386800 Thank you for making this thread and engaging the board. >A1 This hardly ever happens (yet to see it this year), and on the rare occasions that it does happen, it's a non-issue resolved within two/three posts. I struggle to reason how you could come to the proportion you imply without being wholly inexperienced with anonymous forums. >A2 There was opposition before hand: >>378432 Eitherway, as I posted in the mod thread: one of the bigger issues for me (and evidently many others) is the lack of accessibility to the discussion (which in turn makes the process feel opaque and sudden). The average user is not engaged with the background going ons of the board. As long as shit works, shit works. Especially here, where there are a lot of working people who simply don't have the time nor energy to spend on online bureaucracy. When sweeping (appropriate here, I feel) administrative decisions are to be made, it has to be communicated as succinctly and broadly as possible to get as many people looking the right way. There's no easy way to do this, it takes effort and planning. This applies to any forum, or even online community. Take that from a fellow do-it-for-freeer. >A2 + A3 Appreciated. All of that. >I do not use 4chan or other boards with user IDs so perhaps I did not appreciate that they might significantly change the face of discussion. I also did not realise that it would be such a controversial change and that people's feelings would be so heated. Please change it back.
>>386977 Sorry, but this user has been banned from u/nwordcountbot for spam.
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shitposters=seething samefags=coping cuckchanners=dilating ID's=based Me=cute and based
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guise
>>386800 BAN THE FURRY MODS, ADMINS!
>>386998 gilded
>>387001 r/woosh
>>386800 Thanks dick, I now have the perfect reason to stop chan-posting altogether.
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Mods, my wife's boyfriend is having trouble using this new ID system, says it will bring in redditors. He's now threatening to break my brand new Nintendo Switch in half if you don't remove them. He also told me I won't get to suck my wife's feet after he fucks me raw tonight. Help.
>>387006 Maybe you can now do something with ur life fam
>>387005 r/yikes
>>386912 no anon. that's called doing it wrong... dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda RTFM
>>387005 dont ever mention that brain dead meme here even if its ironic
where is old BO when you need him :(
>>387016 reported
>>387006 I'm considering doing this but I have nowhere to go really.
>>387017 smh stalinists were right all along
>>387017 I hate old BO but even he is better than whatever this is.
>>386800 >Muh samfagging Am I the only one not bothered by this? >B-b-but people may be playing both sides Again, who fucking cares? Anyone that wants to do so can just use a VPN
>>387033 >flagfag
>>387037 >IDposter
>>387033 I totally agree with this poster - who btw is totally not me
>>386944 One of the advantages of anonymity is that someone can change their opinion or learn new knowledge and start speaking from that new perspective without having worry about the fact that they have a reputation for believing certain things, acting a certain way. That's gone now.
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>>386908 now THIS is praxis
>>387033 No. Samefags are always a small percentage, and on a board as small as /leftypol/ samefagging is both rare and transparent.
>>387037 flagfagging is still better than unique ID's.
>>386908 Well there is no better day to shitpost than today
>tfw literal IDpol now
>>387033 >>387042 Basically this t. unique poster
>>387043 No it is not you tremendous faggot, no thread is permanent and the ids do not change between threads.
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I am dealing with a lockdown in the middle of a pandemic and now pro-capitalist EU shilling furry faggot is a mod and is shitting up my leftist isolation distraction! MAKE IT FUCKING STOP. TIME TO JONESTOWN THE MODS!
>>387053 Cyclicals are permanent.
>>387023 Oh god its bumpfag!
>>387053 post ur linkedin
>>387054 uninstall already
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>NOO YOU CAN'T JUST ADD IDs WHAT ABOUT MUH ANONYMITY
>>387061 post linkedin dox urself
>>387053 >I give 0 shits about anonymity
>>387012 I already was but now I can divert more attention to that. Learning socialist theory and discussing it is less important to me than anonymity on my Mongolian Horse Trading forum.
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>>387064 go back
Doesn't the whole idea of IDs just a pseudo name faggotry that shouldn't exist. Why do we care about samefagging anyways, if it was such a point then fine. But adding ids is basically getting rid of your anonymity and could get your ip address stolen if you aren't using a VPN which you should. That is my opinion on this shit because I saw no problem with it before. Sure there were other ufo posters but come on, this is no longer fun and can just be used to harass users.
>>387056 No they aren't you tremendous faggot, the only permanent thread thus far is the reading list. >>387058 > post ur linkedin Post sharpie in the pooper.
>>387068 WO WOWOWOOWOWO WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT=T
>>386920 >bunkergold >not bunker vouchers
WHERE ARE THE ID'S REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
WE DID IT REDDIT
>they're turned off JANNIES BTFO
>>387033 >>387042 >>387052 These posters (who aren't sockpuppets) are right
WE DID IT BROS
RAISE THE PNG OF SOLIDARITY
>>387053 >no thread is permanent Many last for long periods of time. In imageboard terms, two weeks may as well be a year. (Don't forget: The biggest news story 2 weeks ago was Super Tuesday. Now we're all on lockdown.)
this website is now full reddit mode. I am very dissapointed
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>>387076 But I'm the one who just got them turned off :(
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I got rid of the nametags, Senator Cabello is dead at the airstrip, now comrades drink up the glowniggers are coming.
Add optional country flags instead of id's
>>387080 Two weeks is not permanent you fag
Dudes, how am I supposed to recognize my friends and become popular with all the upboats? Bros, I'm crying.
>>387084 We love our jannies now.
>>387067 >>387068 Thank the heavens! The board is saved.
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THE FUCKING MODS GOT A BUNCH OF NIGGER CATTLE AND FRANKLY WE NEED TO REMAIN BEING ANONYMOUS FUCK THE CIA, FUCK THE REDDITOR AND TWITTERITE NEWFAGS FUCK EM ALL A BUNCH OF NIGGER CATTLE AND CIA ILLUMINATI FUCKERS I GOT A SPACE ALIEN WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU GOT YOU FUCKIN JEW NIGGERS
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>>387085 everyone come and get a glass!
>>387084 your doing your best mod, you did well
>>387087 nigga THIS is doxxing, not ID's
>>386800 >>387084 Thank you. Genuinely the only time I've been positively surprised by administrative response to complaint in imageboard history.
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This thread is very problematic, what's y'all problems with redditors? they are our comrades too.
>>387088 nobody said it was permanent, why make this post?
Now we just need to get rid of post histories tied to IPs and finally we can post safely
>>387099 >He wants country flags ok bro keep doxxing urself
>>387103 just use TOR
>>387053 > ids do not change between threads. They change if you restart your PC though or us your laptop in another place (like a cafe). >>387061 >wojak alunya <Pro-ID strawman cursed image by cursed faggot
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Thanks jannies. For you.
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The Anonymous Vanguard wins once again against the imperialist janitors!
>>387102 Cause since it is not permanent and does not transfer between threads, it is meaningless as a way to track posters. Even in cyclicals, posts get pruned with time, and with the immense levels of shitposting all posts fade into obscurity with time. Everyone overreacted in such a manner that it honestly surpassed /pol/ level hysteria.
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SOLIDARITY! SOLIDARITY! SOLIDARITY!
>>387120 post linkedin
>>387128 Sharpie in pooper
>>387128 uninstall
>>387134 Don't threaten me with a good time
>>387138 With a corona-orgy we could have a bit of both
may this day never be forgotten.
>>387114 I like this flag
>>387084 Thank you Jenny. Is this a temp turn off whilst this is resolved between you or something more perm?
>I do not use 4chan or other boards with user IDs so perhaps I did not appreciate that they might significantly change the face of discussion. Not even the places on 8ch that used it? Or some of the other alternative image boards that had it even before 8ch?
>>387099 Fuck reddit. Only good subreddit is r/traphentai
>>387078 WE DID IT REDDIT
>>387160 We will have a formal vote on it now over a few days but it is unlikely that thread IDs will return
>>387163 based
>>386800 Go fuck yourselves reddit faggots.
>>387043 This is a very good, succinct articulation of something I've spilled paragraphs over before, I'm keeping this for future arguments.
>>386800 >Q: Why would you do this??? >A: I felt Hey, did you guys have a vol vote on this? I might have missed it in the /mod/ thread. >this would make it easier for people This is pure >>>/reddit/ speak. Imageboard lingo and culture is not "easy" for noobs. They need to lurk and ultimately acclimate. >civilised discussions ...which we were able to have under anon-posting before, so... >without having to worry about mistaking each other Literally nobody "worried" about mistaking each other. Anonymity is a feature, not a drawback. We, 411 leftypol posters, are not 411 Joe Bidens. >mistaking each other or saying "I'm the same anon as this post" constantly This happens like every...? 60 posts?! You have no excuse, quite frankly. As far as I'm concerned, you are doing a Trump_Live_On_Corona_Virus.youtube atm. >preventing samefagging You, as vols, are entrusted to take care of shills, of same-fags, of tripfags. That is all. >and it could possibly help with that <possibly But who asked you to "help with that"? Literally noone. You, as vols, already have access to poster history, so what the actual fuck? >I personally did not approve this vote (Reconsidering what I've said above,) maybe make available a separate "vols voting thread", because I (and many other anons) completely missed your retarded policy being passed. A reminder: https://www.strawpoll.me/19593222/r >it was some drastic decision to tackle that issue First, it was certainly drastic, yet there was no "issue" from the POV of the userbase. <Q: Why did you not consult us about such a major decision? >A: It is worth noting that this vote was announced in the moderation topic Read: it was announced in a thread that is visited by literally 1% of the userbase, if and only when they are banned. I remember some of you, current vols, crying out about OldBO being "authoritarian" and whatnot, yet you passed this measure BEHIND 99% of posters' back! >I did not consider it personally to be a major decision Because you are completely retarded, honestly. Anonymity is a leftist value, no question about that. Anonymity, as such, equalizes the redneck and the radlib, and allows them to meet each other as equals. What you just did, dear vol, is moving our community towards /pol/. t. oldfag >I did not appreciate that they might significantly change the face of discussion Did you mean to say "apprehend"? Because that is more worthy of this fucking context! >I also did not realise that it would be such a controversial change HINT: pic fucking related, you utter scum. Some of the vols are COMPLETELY OUT OF SYNC NOT JUST WITH THE FUCKING HISTORY WE HAVE AS /LEFTYPOL/, NOT JUST WITH IMAGEBOARDS IN GENERAL, BUT WITH FUCKING SOCIALISM AS SUCH!!!! >I'm leaving the board because of this! <please don't say anything rash like that FUCK YOU! "PLEASE" DON'T MAKE RETARDED DECISIONS LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >I personally apologise fuck. you. >I personally apologise if this change upset you and ruined your day You literally sound like a fucking bourgeois politician, you realize that?! >Q: Do you represent the rest of the mods? <A: No, I only represent myself LOL, you are literally being the strawman that was thrown at OLDBO!!!! >I can tell you that almost all of us do feel bad that this has caused so much consternation You just literally killed our board, you FUCKING IDIOTS.
>>387210 >You just literally killed our board, you FUCKING IDIOTS. Leninhat confirmed actually insane
>>387217 Fuck you! Have you witnessed what ID posting did to old/pol/?!
>>387210 the virgin long post VS The Chad Spamming Reddit at the Mods
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>>386800 >civilized discussion what the hell is the point of being an anonymous imageboard then ?
>>387224 I am pretty sure old/pol/ destroyed themselves, not some silly string of characters in every post.
>>387231 also probably stormfront
>>387231 Fuck you, honestly! Have you ever considered that the fucking format we are under encircles and thereby determines the content? This is dialectics 101.
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>>387166 u did good. <3
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>>387231 old 8/pol/ killed itself by a combined mixture of being a retarded hugbox that bounced off its own crazy ideas til some tard who had a high enough IQ to avoid the wrangler when he reached adulthood if it wasn't for 8/pol/ banning leftists we'd still probably be on 8/pol/
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>>387210 this Hello based department is that leninhat speaking?
>>387247 Sharpy in pooper >>387245 Just because a thing changes doesn't mean it necissarily has massive implications on the material system. If porky wears a new shirt each day at work it doesn't change the mode of capitalism fundamentally, just as a silly string of numbers doesn't change the way of posting on /leftypol/ fundamentally. basically all of the arguments people make about this revolve around people's aesthetic horror at a group of characters more than the actual effects that would come about - which couldn't even be measured because of an implementation time of an hour and a half.
>>387272 >which couldn't even be measured because of an implementation time of an hour and a half. You keep dodging the fact that we've seen IDs implemented on 4chan and various 8chan boards. (Didn't /leftpol/ have them for a while?). We know what they do.
REMINDER TO ALL OF MY COMRADES Our RETARDED vols currently revoked ID-posting, but what does this fact signify for the rest of us?! Well, first of all, it signifies that our -- so called representatives -- are at the very least divided from within, at most, they are normalizing 'undermining' as such. We, as communists, should call out literal shitlib mods (see pic: >>387210 ) for what they are: shitlib scumbag vomit-inducing assholes. THIS IS THE THING, THO First, see the (pic) above, for fuck's sake, and then realize that we are in the hands of "certain" IDIOTS who have no connection to actual socialism, the hands of people who have no understanding of "socialism" as such!!! AND PROJECT THIS RIGHTFUL ANGER INTO THE DEMAND TO PURGE THE MOD TEAM FROM LITERAL REDDIT-TIER SHILL-"SOCIALISTS"!
>>387307 shit, wanted to use (flag)
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Now that you removed the ID's remove the ability for mods and jannies to see our IPs it's either FULL anonimity or nothing and I don' trust any of the fucking mods after the pyongyang incident
>>387311 TL;DR: PHYSICALLY REMOVE THE FUCKING MOD WHO EVER EVEN PROPOSED TO REMOVE ANONYMITY!
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>nuvol will defend this even lol'ler: < "old" vols won't even fucking purge this faggot from the vols You deserve to die in hell.
>>387291 >We know what they do. We already know what they do how? All of the implementations of these IDs under these systems came under periods where there was active fascist influence campaigns in these boards through elements like stormfront and later /pol/ when it went full fash. It's not a fucking single-function math problem where chan + IDs = fucked, all communities are multi-faceted and have many factors going into how they ultimately turn out, and no /pol/ style board (including us) has ever really been allowed to rise and fall on the aspects of our own community, we have always had raids, infiltrators, astroturfers, and generally all the types of faggots that try to make things worse, but we are to ascribe all of the effects to a silly string of characters in a post?
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>>387319 Reminder that the Mods have the power to decide whether they want IDs back or not. You get no say in the matter. >>387285 Join the Anonymous Vanguard and protect your anonymity
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S H O U L D T H E V O L W H O W A N T E D " I D " P O S T I N G, B E P E R M A B A N N E D ? ! https://www.strawpoll.me/19595006
>>387210 >You have destroyed the board Holy shit you are an insufferable faggot.
>>387350 >Holy shit you are an insufferable faggot. Sorry, I was there when old/4/pol did the same thing and it suffered in quality vehemently. Where were you back then?
>>386800 >>387311 Fucking this. We already know that the mods are a bunch of radlib bourgeois authoritarians (as in circlejerking about freedom and democracy while doing this glowie shit). Old BO was better than this incel posting, furfaggoting, plebbitor tier shit.
>>387358 are you sure it wasn't just them being infiltrated by stormfront, you know, the actual issue
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>>387348 "liberal aligned socialism" vs. "regular" socialism in action
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>>387358 What a fucking drama queen. Go join the fucking DSA to live out your gay little bolshivik revolution fantasies. This is more cancerous than fucking reddit, Seriously fucking kill yourself you whiny little girl.
>>387307 embarrassing post. you're trying way too hard to ape the other guy.
>>387363 >stormfront having the ability to infiltrate every board on 4chan you never went to 4chan in those day did you ?
holy shit Leninhat it’s over, chill even though I raised initially the same point as you: we come here because it’s anonymous, we take the onus of ‘recognition’ on ourselves as users. The move was a ‘I know what’s best for you lol’ and I think they get the message. That said I also said maybe IDs can work on other boards like /tech/ or /hobby/ but not for here, or is that a slippery slope?
>>387369 nigga when did I say they infiltrated all of 4chan, you massive faggot
>>387339 /leftpol/ was a very close analog to this board and IDs did nothing to improve it. It died slow and excruciating death. >but we are to ascribe all of the effects to a silly string of characters in a post? IDs certainly don't slow down the trend. fascists are the ultimate in bad faith actors. even without manipulating IPs they can tag-team in raids, creating the illusion of reactionary consensus by taking advantage of their greater user numbers.
>>387370 The exact thing you are missing: >Q: Why did you not consult us about such a major decision? <I did not consider it personally to be a major decision This faggot made this decision on his own. He is a literal stand-against-the-wall material. Did you even read the OP, holy shit?!
>>387375 Go fuck yourself. Leave this place and never come back.
>>387382 [no argument]
>>387373 >/leftpol/ was a very close analog to this board and IDs did nothing to improve it. It died slow and excruciating death. yes because of the split - not cause of thread IDs. /leftpol/ existing in the first place was a facet of old BO's complete retardation. >IDs certainly don't slow down the trend. a trend of what? /leftypol/ is growing, at a rate which is literally causing the website to sperg out at times. we aren't at threat of implosion, no matter how like 20 dudes want to make it out to be close to death. >fascists are the ultimate in bad faith actors. even without manipulating IPs they can tag-team in raids, creating the illusion of reactionary consensus by taking advantage of their greater user numbers. but thread IDs ultimately just make this harder for them without providing them extra cover, so this isn't really an argument against thread IDs. like honestly, is there any argument that doesn't get imminently disproven or is centered around a reactionary pathology to change?
>>387384 I'm not even trying to give an argument. Leave this place and take your cancerous fantasies with you. Autistic fucking faggots ruining this place with their temper tantrum spazing out. Learn how to actually communicate with people or fucking killyourself.
>>387388 t. having a tantrum
>>387388 >I'm not even trying to give an argument Because your ass is on the line, lol.
4chan has higher quality than this god damn place right now. >Shit ton of mods posting with mod flags and posting threads, stickies, etc etc etc >An endless hoard of autistic incessantly screeching about literally nothing. >>387390 >I know you are but what am I 4chan is better than leftypol rn.
>>387375 He didn’t do it by himself autist, he just said personally for him, he thought it wasn’t a big deal. Ultimately it was the entire staff that decided
>>387392 >Everyone I dissagree with is X Fucking genius,
>>387375 I think he could be earnest and ignorant. Most worrying to me was ‘I don’t use 4chon or places with thread IDs’ — like where do you go then and how could you be so clueless? I don’t condone his actions one bit but you’re being a bit harsh too. >>387382 Back at you. This is an anonymous imageboard. Not-having thread ID’s is not a fantasy it’s THE NORM. Go to 4chan if it’s so bad.
>>387399 Then maybe, just maybe, the idiots who voted for this ID shit behind the community's back should be purged. >inb4 Stalin YES, fucking hell, STALIN
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>>387403 I don't care about the id's idiot. I care about cancerous faggots like lenin hat being just as cancerous if not more so than reddit. Look at this shit. Just shut up, I want to talk about politics not this gay shit.
>>387386 >not cause of thread IDs. For a good period after the split /leftpol/ maintained a reasonable userbase. >a trend of what? fascist subversion of boards. here's a challenge for you: name one board in the entirety of imageboards that has been improved following IDs being added. >but thread IDs ultimately just make this harder for them without providing them extra cover no it doesn't. when they're here to troll rather than to spam they're smart enough to act like legitimate users with some reactionary views and a desire to discuss idpol issues, rather than just straight up posting holocaust denial jpegs. >like honestly, is there any argument that doesn't get imminently disproven or is centered around a reactionary pathology to change? change should always be justified, the case that IDs will improve the board simply has not been made, while legitimate concerns like ruining country-specific discussion threads by imposing IDs that will last far longer than is desirable due to the middling speed of the board. if you have IDs that last longer than a day - really more than 6 hours - you've fucked something up.
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/leftypol/ mods are a great example of when effectively doing nothing is the best course of action because if you do nothing, you get this place and you get everyone screaming over everyone to "ban this person, ban that person, ban this ideology i don't like" and all this other retarded coonery buffoonery
>>387420 >For a good period after the split /leftpol/ maintained a reasonable userbase. Which was never going to last because of the underlying issue of the split itself - both leftypol and leftpol lost users over time, to the point where leftpol was dead and leftypol was like 200 users neigh-overwealmed by fashposting until old BO got coup'd (or resigned as the official records say) and the bunker protocol was enacted, which is where our numbers surged again. leftpol's decline, given leftypol's similar decline, was likely borne more out of the split than the implementation of thread IDs. >here's a challenge for you: name one board in the entirety of imageboards that has been improved following IDs being added. sorry I am not autistic and spend all my waking hours looking through obscure chans, most of which would likely be so small that the implementation of them would be meaningless. Even if I did, though, it wouldn't have any bearing because odds are that chan would be nothing like /leftypol/. >it doesn't. when they're here to troll rather than to spam they're smart enough to act like legitimate users with some reactionary views and a desire to discuss idpol issues you say that as if they have the tact to do anything beyond vulgar workerisms. their pervasiveness was more a mix of latent reactionaries chiming in from our own userbase and poor mod coverage of the board to cull out idpol, not because they are cheeky breeki super sneaky. >change should always be justified which it was justified on some grounds as per the moderation response? >while legitimate concerns like most all of the concerns are largely meme-tier, and are either already happening in chans in the case of VPN usage to cycle IPs to ban evade or otherwise largely inconsequential or easily filtered via ID. most of the reaction was just reaction against change rather than any intrinsic quality of the implementation.
>>387409 >I don't care about the id's idiot This in itself is a huge problem. If you weren't aware, /leftypol/ has been thriving on anonymity for years, and it became the very fucking feature since this policy has been passed, signaling, you shithead, that the fucking community doesn't wan't to do anything with your shit. >I care about cancerous faggots like lenin hat being just as cancerous if not more so than reddit. Okay, first of all, hello glowy, sure, blame the fucking (flag)-assuming poster. If I were employed by the CIA I would have the same opinion: "please make sure to categorize posters by >>>ID<<< so I can get a better statistics! >Just shut up No! I'm an oldfag, and I'm used to, and I'm a proponent of anon-posting, you asshole. >I want to talk about politics not this gay shit. t. CIA >>387420 >fascist subversion of boards We can counter this shit without forcing the userbase to become ID-based, right? You have literally no arguments, holy shit. >change should always be justified, the case that IDs will improve the board simply has not been made IT CANNOT BE MADE, YOU FUCK >if you have IDs that last longer than a day - really more than 6 hours We A L R E A D Y have vols for a reason, asshole. They monitor our posting. We don't need to adjust our system to CIA-standards, like on 4/pol/!!!!! >>387424 meh
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>>387447 >the split /leftpol/ maintained a reasonable userbase. <Which was never going to last because of the underlying issue of the split itself CORRECTION: you and your kind was too retarded to admit that OldBO did what he had to do, then a "so called" *khm* "ROUGE" vol deleted 100% of the posts on 8/leftypol/, meaning that hundreds - if not thousands - of hours of effort poster's contribution was lost for ever. It is almost as if you are on the wrong side of history, or something! >sorry I am not autistic and spend all my waking hours looking through obscure chans, most of which would likely be so small that the implementation of them would be meaningless. Even if I did, though, it wouldn't have any bearing because odds are that chan would be nothing like /leftypol/. If I were CIA, I would say the same fucking thing, because I would like to collect ID-based information on """anons""", get me?! >most of the reaction was just reaction against change rather than any intrinsic quality of the implementation. Yes, Mr. CIA, I agree, let's make substantial changes to our system which lay bare different trends that you are so eager to collect and put into a .ppt!
>>387466 Your like a liberal, except replace calling anyone that has a dissenting opinion a Russian with CIA
>>387474 You’re*
>>387447 >sorry I am not autistic and spend all my waking hours looking through obscure chans So it's failed on all of 4chan, You're not willing to say it was a good idea on /leftpol/ or any other 8chan board, and you're aware of no other instances of it succeeding in any way, shape, or form, yet you think it would be a good idea? This sort of thing might be justified if there were strong reasons to favor implementation, but >which it was justified on some grounds as per the moderation response? The primary justification given was a misunderstanding of the imageboard format, treating occasional confusion between users as a serious problem rather than part and parcel of using anonymous boards. >most all of the concerns are largely meme-tier You say this, but you can't give a good argument against the cases that don't fit that narrow description. "It will be detrimental to slow moving general threads, including cyclical and country/regional threads, which make up a notable proportion of this board" is - say what you will about how easy to solve it is - a valid concern. It's not already happening on other boards of note, it's not "largely inconsequential" given how notable these threads are on the board, it's not "easily filtered via ID." There are solutions to the problem that don't require removing ID entirely (like giving the OP the option whether to use IDs or not, though this will easily lead to drama of its own.), but none of them are covered in your current description. >most of the reaction was just reaction against change rather than any intrinsic quality of the implementation. and that reaction was primarily ignored. the mods are on the record as saying they were convinced by the practical arguments, not by people going >REDDIT!!!!
>>387291 >(Didn't /leftpol/ have them for a while?) No, it didn't. I would have been outraged by it.
>>387474 >Your You're >Your like a liberal Yeah, when I *try* to defend the actual effort poster's effort postings on a communist board then I'm "a liberal", lol! >replace calling anyone that has a dissenting opinion a Russian with CIA ??? what does this even supposed to mean, you glowy shit?
>>387449 >If you weren't aware, /leftypol/ has been thriving on anonymity for years, Bullshit, Tor posting was disabled on 8chan /leftypol/ and was disabled here until recently.
>>386800 I personally find them useful to track discussions, and it can be a tool to filter retards dont care that much anyway
>>387521 >Tor posting was disabled on 8chan /leftypol/ and was disabled here until recently. Who said A N Y T H I N G about Tor posters, you literal shill?! Tor posting was disabled by oldBo for a fucking reason: trip- name- etc.-fags being obnoxious ban-evading assholes. You are glowing like no other.
>>387505 When someone disagrees with liberals, they call them Russians bots. Essentially, you’re that same but instead of calling them Russian, you call them CIA, you paranoid retard
>>387540 >When someone disagrees with liberals, they call them Russians bots. Essentially, you’re that same but instead of calling them Russian, you call them CIA, you paranoid retard I honestly don't give a single shit about all of this "shill" thing. The only thing I give a shit about is preserving our anon-posting. Now, mind you, if I were a fucking CIA-nigger, I'd fucking love if this place were to become an ID-based board! Why? Cuz my fucking database could be collected much more efficiently, that's why!!! MAKE LEFTYPOL NON-ANON AGAIN!!!!
>>387358 never hung on pol, I doubt the quality has ever been that high, I doubly doubt ids are responsible for a loss of quality, im not even sure how they qualify as a loss of anonymity Im not sure whats the gripe about ids even is. Apart from distancing your normal posts from your shitposting
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Fuck. You. You should be permabanned, and all the vols who supported you should face the fucking wall.
>>387449 the fact that retards like that fight this vehemently against thread ids kinda sway me more in favor of them
>>387539 what the fuck is the link between thread id and cia ? seek help
>>387546 The feds probably already sniff out traffic, you faggot. And connecting your request to new posts appearing is trivial, especially when making a request to post data is significantly smaller, even if its fully encrypted, than the much larger boatload of data (as well as multiple requests) that retrieving any sort of update entails. If you can monitor encrypted traffic and ip addresses, which the glowies can and do, its absolute childsplay to link your posts to your ip address, you giant dumbass.
>>387550 >I doubt the quality has ever been that high It wasn't ever "that high," still, it was over "literal neonazi-tier..." >I doubly doubt ids are responsible for a loss of quality But this is where you are wrong. When we have anon-posting nobody is responsible for anything; but when we get so-called "responsible" people, shit changes into scapegoating. >Im not sure whats the gripe about ids even is I take that you have no experience over old/pol/ or 8ch/leftypol/, then. Anonymity ensures a certain quality that name-, or trip-, or ID-fagging can't. When I write an effort-post the only thing that makes me "remarkable" is my post + flag. >distancing your normal posts from your shitposting But your proposal, namely, making everyone a name-fag, makes everything that we hold as a community in high regard, moot. Go fuck yourself. Read a fucking book.
>>387574 Yeah I was initially against them, but seeing Lenin-hat sperg out about it made me sympathetic to the idea
>>387622 actually it’s t.CIA
>>387622 >Everyone that disagrees with me is X >Ad-hominems are logically sound.
I was initially against all flag-wielding narcissists, but seeing one so passionately defend anonymity makes me think they're a smidge more credible now.
>>387622 don't feel bad leninhat, samefagging jannies always back themselves up whenever people disagree with them. The one thing, ironically, thread id would have helped with
>>387622 see, with threads id you'd see the scale of your sperging just rebuke people >8ch/leftypol/ I browsed it daily in commute to my work last year >making everyone a name-fag >implying
>>387647 >>387600 >>387574 Based arbitrary contrarians.
>>387365 regular liberal socialism wins
>>387403 >like where do you go then 7chan(which was 8chan many years before 8chan) has user ids
>>388020 Yes, and it was a mistake. The 7chan moderation approach was also largely a mistake, the elitism was pretty funny at first but eventually we just ended up driving away all our potential new users, and we were left talking to ourselves, all the more blatantly obvious because of the IDs. 7chan user since /b/-day here.

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