Op from original thread here, I can agree opon that phrasing to be a tad dramatic lol
But since you seem to have something to contribute with, join us! That's an open invitation. We're on the platform riot right now.
Where I'm from we have the terms Right, aka conservative to facist
liberal, aka conservative to succdem
and left, aka succdem to communist
The term leftist prolly needs to fucking DIEEE due to it being situated along the axis from libtard to succdem... So communists etc are excluded from the political spectrum effectively. The right liberal, left distinction isn't great either but yeah....
I want YOU in OUR chat.
>>The most realistic chance of change i can think of is to have a few powerful people with the will, ability and resources to oppose the current system. Be that as borg, politican or controlling local infrastructure. And you have to keep in mind that these individuals will have their own vision of what is right, which makes threads like this pretty pointless tbh.
Looks like we got you to do some reflection here! That's great IMO, I think you're underestimating the value of revitalizing theory, as you've just said, people with will, ability and resources will oppose the current system, and peoples minds doesn't change easily.
So with this is mind, are you able to A: even give good tools to these peole B:Have a theoretical grasp on how to practically set good leftist stratergy for our current predicament in motion?
If you have, great join the chat m8.
>>i figure the reason why "the left" is not more popular is the same reason why "the left" does not support UBI. i don't know what that reason is but my guess is that leftist types that into philosophy and social sciences are generally not talented at quantitative mental operations. if you want to attract programmers and people that actually do stuff you need a little humility and to acknowledge that you "being" a leftist and reading karl marx and visualizing yourself being intelligent and being admired for your intelligence by others does not solve anything. the type of person who reads karl marx and this kind of theory is probably a bourgeois with free time. it's just sort of a vague "improving yourself" activity. this is not the worst mindset, but also not the best. you want programmer-minded people who spend their entire lives breaking down problems into their little atomic pieces and then proceeding in a systematic way. not useless pseudointellectual narcissists
What if they could... you know... Mingle a bit ;) No but seriously you have a valid contribution here that is worth discussing. We need to #healthedevide here lol.
>>i hate you all.
Have you read four futures? There is small segment on UBI as a " trigger" towards a better system there, and I would shout yang yang lemme join da gang any day if we can properly lay out that this would be a working tactic and not just end up with some other state taking the logic of capital to some new extreme by imposing some cursed pseudo-ubi to compete effectively...
I get where you're coming from with your SOBIAL SCIENCE DUMBF but you can't go 100% to the other side either, you need as cursed libs would put it, a healthy mix, and while I agree that we're low on the stem side right now, the Social science side isn't exactly great either...
Even if they are they got to be won over, but not fetishized as holders of some kind of absolute knowledge either, they tend to be very firmly socialized into capitalism, because they've never been trained for denaturalizing thinking regarding society and theory at large. They just accept standard variations of everything, the stem-heads that have their own concepts of shit and don't just accept the standard theory of it all is the peeps we need prolly.
Also if you join you can drop us big fat knowledge on what activity these peeps should engage in, so join the chat! :)
Based, join the chat
Tag along m8