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Rules - Moderation Feedback - The New Manifesto Anonymous Board volunteer 02/12/2020 (Wed) 16:34:48 No. 274282
🚨🚨🚨 This month's >>>/roulette/ is /tech/! 🚨🚨🚨 REMINDER TO VISIT >>>/hobby/ Hello, this is the new iteration of the moderation topic. The manifesto has been updated and the new version is attached to this post, please feel free to read it. We welcome user feedback, but we will be keeping the discussion in this thread on topic as the last one was too chaotic to be useful for its intended purpose. Please enjoy /leftypol/ and the rest of /bunkerchan/. /leftypol/ rules: In general, the rules are enforced to provide an entertaining and edifying space for all posters to enjoy, and should serve to keep the board easily usable and free from spam and on topic, with discussion productive and open. In addition, content which is illegal in the United States will be removed. No spam is to be tolerated. Spam from a bot is subject to a permanent ban or more severe actions to preserve site security. 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>>276525 Stop tripping if you want to be taken seriously. Rule number one of imageboards is to learn2blend. You are not doing that.
>>276543 > all I've ever actually done is advocate some consistent positions. As these positions interlock to some extent, i feel its helpful if the reader can identify them more clearly as interlocking.
>>276548 It isn't helpful at all. You are just making people annoyed with you.
>>276548 t. The justification of every tripfag.
>>276552 Not everyone thinks so and only really in this thread by people who support the mods. The kind of people annoyed by me are the kind of people who deliberately pretend to be me and shit up loads of threads on purpose (not talking about the sage cumming in everyone time, talking about that one anon) . So that should show you who has the honest intention. So i can safely assume if you are annoyed by tripfagging you are probably some brand of autists
>>276566 You are on an imageboard. Most people are annoyed with tripfags.
>>276468 Oh I also used to argue about co-ops a lot (still do as people can attest to)
>>276569 you are also on an imageboard, many people are annoyed by the actions of the mods
>>276566 >So i can safely assume if you are annoyed by tripfagging you are probably some brand of autists where do you think you are, retard? your trip is not some flag to rally around
>>276574 That is another constant. We hate our mods and we hate our tripfags.
>>276552 >>276557 Just filter him lol. I sadly can't cause I mod and can't completely ignore tedious shit. Else I would have done it aeons ago.
>>276574 >many people are annoyed by the actions of the mods and you what, representative of the people now? how is your tripfagging ass relevant?
>>276488 >I was the main black flag poster oh, this explains everything black flag posters were always a cancer
>>276583 Oh, I will, don't worry. I just feel some kind of obligation to point out when people are being autistically annoying so they can better themselves.
>>276580 regular annoyance is regular. Impersonating someone and shitting up the board or being particularly annoyed by tripping which has always been a thing, is autistic. I didn't say it was a flag to rally around, just it makes the arguments I make for various ideas stronger if they come from a pool of linked ideas. >>276581 see >>276588 no, I was saying, this is an imageboard, so many people are and it has always been this way. >>276594 there we go anyway board participation longevity proved. Cancer since 2015 baby just try and stop me
>>276682 You ever stop and think about being less of a cancerous cunt maybe?
>>276682 You are making your own arguments weaker because people will be less interested in listening to a tripfag. I would guess that a lot of people already have you filtered based on your obnoxious behavior here and in other threads.
>>276748 good that means they won't whine
>>276761 Good luck on your quest to get people who dislike you listen to your arguments. I'm sure it will work out fine.
>>276763 plenty people don't filter me
>>276761 >I will be as obnoxious as possible so that no functioning human can stomach interacting with me then I win. This really says a lot about society. But really you're a brilliant case study in what's wrong with imageboards. I suspect this kind of strategy is what destroyed pretty much every board in existence.
>>276774 im not even being obnoxious
>>276780 Funniest thing I read this year.
>>276780 Having a trip is, in and of itself, obnoxious.
>>277240 Only if you are triggered by retarded shit
>>277287 It is quite normal to be triggered, as the tards say, by prolonged retarded, attention-seeking behaviour. -Everybody has a right to be stupid, but some people abuse the privilege. -t. probably not Stalin
Lol, who has that meme that juxtaposes anons with tripfags?
>>277299 >you’re attention seeking >why >because you’re a tripfag >and? >tripfags are attention seeking >so your are attention seeking and that is justified by me saying you are attention seeking again. What a fag
And again, none of this makes me wrong. You can say what you like about my personality, it has nothing to do with what I have to say about the board
>>277614 >And again, none of this makes me wrong. You can say what you like about my personality, it has nothing to do with what I have to say about the board This, when you guys start getting criticized you all gossip about the person like a gaggle of old ladies.
>>277693 I mean, yeah, that i true. Character has little to do with the actually discourse at hand, but, on the same note; Trip fagging draws attention away from other posters and puts people who trip fag in a light that anons do not share; In much the same way, the criticism of us pointing out his trip faggotry does not actually validate the argument for trip fagging.
>>277613 I'm not this guy >>277240 you just assume that because it is convenient for you. Deluding yourself into thinking that you are not massively getting on the nerves of the majority of people here. Your mad idea that people who are annoyed by you have something wrong with them was just too offensive for me to ignore. I have no intention of trying to prove anything to you, you are incurable. I will say this though, to whoever is still reading this thread: one indication of being terminal cancer is the inability to ever drop anything and always, always trying to get the last word in with some inane insult. This is the behavior of a child. You can see this all across this board and all other imageboards if you ever pay attention.
>>278289 nigger = shitting on lumpen parts of the black community white people = shitting on white people
>>277764 I haven't done anything to draw any attention besides do posts. only the fags whining about reading the phrase Sage#+GbZOp have done this. If they would shut up, there would be none of this, we would just be talking about the board. The clear example of this is the faggot who got so triggered he deliberately shit up the board immitating me. Far, far more cancerous than just posting with a name. Which you all know but refuse to acknowledge because hes on "your side" because this place is painfully sectarian in all things. If I didn't have the tripcode, it would be some other thing they wanted to talk about, like my tone, rather than the issue at hand. it is le ad hominem plain and simple. > the criticism of us pointing out his trip faggotry does not actually validate the argument for trip fagging. the argument for trip fagging is that I have thorough position and want to present it. The position stands by itself, it has nothing to do with my identity. Which there isn't really much of besides the things I say, as I said, I don't post pictures of myself, make videos, have twitter or youtube etc. I literally just make posts under a name. >one indication of being terminal cancer is the inability to ever drop anything and always, always trying to get the last word in with some inane insult. "why can't you just drop it" could be thrown at both sides. Thing is i'm quite happy to stop talking about the relative merits of tripcodes. I'm not going to stop so its literally just whining from people who can't read a phrase >some inane insult I'm not really insulting people, or at least, it isn't the meat of my posts. The meat of these guys is "you are an attention seeker and a fag" there is pretty much nothing else to it. yeh yeh inb4 >look he posted therefore proving my point make the point, the you to, become the point
Just limit tripfagging to one post per hour per IP.
>>278506 Just ban tripfagging already.
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Did you just delete a thread on reparations? Why the fuck is that off-limits?
>>279126 Yeah, I rexamed my action that. Sorry, feel free to recreate.
>>279160 That's why I think the mod team should privilege anchoring or locking over deleting threads (unless it's spam or obvious troll/shitpost) so that it can be easily reverted if need be even if it's idpol as long as the thread was made in good faith.
>>279171 Well, my rexamination was based upon it being economically related; In actuality not that I disagree with that position neccesarily. I mainly delete to keep things from getting cluttered, though, I agree locking should be privleged over deletion; Though in first examination it came off as idpol, to me things like that should be deleted as leaving them up kinda still premotes them. Plus the catalog looks unappealing when it's clogged with low quality/off topic posts. Though yeah, deleting it was a mistake and I apologize, my bad.
>>279195 >>279160 >>279126 IDPOL BAN STILL GOING STRONG. IDPOL POSTING GONE. GOOD THREADS NOT GETTING SQUASHED
>>279318 >GOOD THREAD Be honest for once, you haven't seen the thread (I haven't either so as any functioning person understands I can't have an opinion on it). Yet you come here over 3 hours later screeching in big text like an attention-starved child. This post is worse than useless.
>>279383 Honestly the repost is way higher quality.
>>279383 I'm basing "good thread" on the fact that the mod themselves changed their mind. Maybe "good thread" was the wrong wording. "A thread that should have been allowed to stay" would have been better. What this shows is the process is all off. Clearly even to the mods it is not 100% clear what should be immediately deleted. Despite this, they went for the immediate deletion rather than letting it be or simply locking it. Now, as always, someone has spent 5-10 minutes making an effort post only to find the thread 404 when they go to post. From experience, this is very frustrating and is a disincentive to make good, high effort posts. Luckily the poster persisted, but they shouldn't have to. Posting should be easy, you shouldn't have to jump through arbitrary hoops and meet very inconsistent criteria to post. Obviously I jumped on this. I have consistently pointed to just these situations being a problem and this is far from the only one. A thread of posts is spent calling my a faggot for using a name, ignoring the topic, then bang, the problem re-occurs completely independent of anything I have posted. For you to not see this as clear evidence and be able to accept that unequivocally without feeling the need to take some random swipe at my character shows it is not me who is the child. I am a child for: posting consistently about the thing I care about, which has a catalogue of cases, talking only about the facts of these cases and their effect on the board. You lot are not children for repeating over and over "b-b-but tripfag a-a-ttention" Its a bunch of bullshit.
>>279458 It's almost like what is and is not acceptable is totally up to interpretation. And yes you are an attention seeking faggot or you would accept the reality that topics like these do not relate to objective fact and will always fall under subjective interpretation no matter who it is and for what. Shit happens and people are wrong and things get corrected. You are just an autist who is purposely honing in on all the bad aspects of moderation in order to create histeria about it rather than looking at it for what it is objectively.
Also *sigh* why is the porn thread locked? Pornography is a ginormous capitalist industry, one with lots and lots of worker exploitation, why can't we talk about it. inb4 >id wuz low effort threadzz >id wuzzz ipdol thread >skidzoo You know if people can't discuss things here, then they will just go discuss them somewhere else. >haha yezz owned leave me be under rock radlib hahahahah if you choose obscurity over mass appeal you are simply not a communist
>>279499 So we should be allowed to discuss anything on the board? Seriously, are you saying there should be no limits what so ever? And if you are not then how exactly do you discern where those limmits are? All you do is bitch and offer zero solutions. Again, it has been posted to you before: What exactly is the standard of measurement you would use for what should and should not be allowed to be posted here? A board with out limmitations is just /b/. Which is exactly what that kind of thinking will cause this place to become. You are an absolute dolt, sage. >People will go somewhere else. And nothing of value was lost
>>279498 >And yes you are an attention seeking faggot hahahahaha > or you would accept the reality that topics like these do not relate to objective fact and will always fall under subjective interpretation no I am the one acknowledging that, it is the precise reason why i think a heavy handed approach is wrong. I'm saying, things are open to interpretation, so we should accept a broad net of interpretations. Deleting the thread definitely does not align with this principle. >and things get corrected why build the foundations right when you can continually repair your home forever >You are just an autist ahahahahahahaha >who is purposely honing in on all the bad aspects of moderation okay so i'll make a post in this thread every time a good thread is left alive. Is that what you want? Me to post appreciation for all things the mods do correctly? Thing is I have even done this on occasion and my position has consistently been that the modding is better now than it was before. I have a tripcode, so people will be able to attest to the consistency of the position. People can see its me, so it is more difficult for me to mislead people in what I actually believe, unlike an anonymous poster, you can hold a light up to what I am saying over a longer period. >histeria okay Sigmund yes >rather than looking at it for what it is objectively. contrast the last line of your post with the first line of your post. >And yes you are an attention seeking faggot or you would accept the reality that topics like these do not relate to objective fact and will always fall under subjective interpretation To break it down you are saying "all of this is a matter of subjective interpretation." then you are saying >You are just an autist who is purposely honing in on all the bad aspects of moderation in order to create histeria about it rather than looking at it for what it is objectively. Here you state the board has objective qualities and its not just interpretation, I am just too autistic to see the objective qualities. You done fucking goofed big man
>>279458 Since they changed their mind there is no need to redtext like a twat. >effort post you just admitted to not seeing the thread (and for the slow learners among us this means you can not make a judgment whether there was any effort in the OP). No one is helped by lies and conjecture. fucking hell People feel the need to take a swipe at your character because you consistently act like a bitch. Leave some line breaks for the rest of us, a sentence is not a paragraph.
>>279515 >So we should be allowed to discuss anything on the board? >Seriously, are you saying there should be no limits what so ever? Point to where I said this. Quote me. >And if you are not then how exactly do you discern where those limmits are? a good start would be not deleting immediately >All you do is bitch and offer zero solutions. I have offered a bunch of solutions. The solution i suggested was a bumplocked incel/trans gulag, and allowing the creation of other "idpol" but not cancerous threads. What do I base this on? Pretty much everyone agrees incel posters and fury against trans people are insufferable. Not every agrees if we should or should not discuss something like reparations. So where it clear that the board does not want something, we come up with an effective solution to get rid of it, i.e. a nice tidy gulag. But where the board is not certain, we give it the benefit of the doubt and let it live. > with out limmitations is just /b/. Which is exactly what that kind of thinking will cause this place to become. see I am accused of being the hysteric, but you talk only in extremes. It can't be "lets have nuanced moderation" its "YOU WANT NO MODERATION AT ALL" "we will BECOME /b/ THINK OF THE CHILDREN ANON" when I haven't said anything close. >And nothing of value was lost simply not a communist
>>279526 >Since they changed their mind there is no need to redtext like a twat. no, since they changed their mind is the entire reason to redtext. >twat oh hey, you. >you just admitted to not seeing the thread 1) as previously explained, the mod changed their mind. 2) The person has reposted the post and other people have commented on the post, I am confident there was effort put into the post. > you consistently act like a bitch. hahahahahahahhaha >Leave some line breaks for the rest of us, a sentence is not a paragraph. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
>>279519 How do you know where the line is between heavy Hanes modding and light handed modding? >why build the foundations right when you can continually repair your home forever Except abstract concepts have no foundation. That's kinda the point I was getting at >ahahahahahahaha Like I said >okay so i'll make a post in this thread every time a good thread is left alive. Is that what you want? Me to post appreciation for all things the mods do correctly? Yes, why not? If you can post about the things you don't like then post about the things you do like as well. >I have done this before Except it's just completely skewed towards you massive shit posting and bitching Everything you are saying is completely ad-hoc >To break it down you are saying "all of this is a matter of subjective interpretation." Except no where did I say that any of this was an objective standard, lol. You just think it's bad cause you are a dumb dumb.
>>279531 Ah yes you're not acting like a twat at all. Now you're just acting like a bitch for the sake of it. The worst thing is you don't have any humor. Writing HAHAHAHA is your idea of a joke.
>>279539 >How do you know where the line is between heavy Hanes modding and light handed modding? If the tendency is to give borderline cases the benefit of the doubt its light handed. If the tendency is to smash down borderline cases it heavy handed. A borderline case it one where there is significant disagreement as to whether or not the thread should live, from a broad cross section of posters. i.e. strong disagreement/agreement from several unique posters, as opposed to one poster strongly disagreeing with all the other posters. If there is doubt, let the thread play out. A non borderline case is one in which the majority of the board agrees the thread should not live. i.e. gore, child porn, spam. We can all agree we don't want these things, instant delete. "why do commies love black dicks so much" instant delete. The difference between this and "what do you think about porn anons" is actually quite stark. >Except abstract concepts have no foundation. the foundation is, give the benefit of the doubt, then you won't have to correct it later. Like the mod wouldn't have had to correct themselves here. >Like I said ahahahahahahaha >Yes, why not? because then i would have to post here every time a thread was posted and allowed to live i.e. most times a thread is posted, and it would shit up this thread. Jesus everything I say is ad hoc? God damn. >post about the things you do like as well. i do > shit posting and bitching clearly stating my position is not shit posting and bitching. Just go back and count up the amount of insults i've used in comparison with the people i've been talking to. >Except no where did I say that any of this was an objective standard, lol. yes you do. right here >>279498 "You are just an autist who is purposely honing in on all the bad aspects of moderation in order to create histeria about it rather than looking at it for what it is objectively."
>>279563 i'm writing AHAHAHAHHA every time he says some shit like "you are a bitch" "you are an autist" "you are an attention seeker" i.e. worthless shit that means nothing. Ad hominems, bollocks.
>>279570 Just edit your shit. A discussion is generally productive when people think about what they are writing and not writing as much as possible as fast as possible. >worthless shit that means nothing What you're posting is for the most part extremely wordy and worthless. You could cut it by at least 80%
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why are you guys like this
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>>279583 wow gee thanks sir for the free writing advice so I can present myself with the highest of etiquette on bunkerchan. My mother should have sent me to imageboard finishing school so I can learn how to best please sir AHAHAHAHAHA dude you are commenting on my tone, style making ad hominem insults Look upon the pyramid find your place on the hierarchy you will see it is at the bottom three rungs
>>279589 Ok so you don't want to discuss anything you just want to act like a twat all day, gotcha
>>279593 I do want to discuss things. I was asked for my suggestions, you didn't respond to that. So here they are again: If the tendency is to give borderline cases the benefit of the doubt its light handed. If the tendency is to smash down borderline cases it heavy handed. A borderline case it one where there is significant disagreement as to whether or not the thread should live, from a broad cross section of posters. i.e. strong disagreement/agreement from several unique posters, as opposed to one poster strongly disagreeing with all the other posters. If there is doubt, let the thread play out. A non borderline case is one in which the majority of the board agrees the thread should not live. i.e. gore, child porn, spam. We can all agree we don't want these things, instant delete. "why do commies love black dicks so much" instant delete. The difference between this and "what do you think about porn anons" is actually quite stark. the foundation is, give the benefit of the doubt, then you won't have to correct it later. Like the mod wouldn't have had to correct themselves here.
>>279589 Thinking about your points is actually essential to argumentation. It has nothing to do with style and tone. >>279594 You are a twat and wrong about everything Fuck off
>>279570 >Ad-hominem is anytime anyone says anything mean to me. :^)
>>279589 >>279593 >>279595 >>279596 This has nothing to do with moderation. You guys are mostly just shitflinging.
>>279595 I genuinely burst out loud laughing at this post. The ad hominem is in the fact you are saying things about what or who you think I am rather than what I have said. >It has nothing to do with style and tone. a good chunk of that post was calling me too wordy. >You are a twat and wrong about everything >Fuck off This is the bit I actually laughed out loud at. Hilarious. I am the child indeed. >>279596 Ad hominem is when you call somebody anything at all without actually refuting what they are saying. >>279603 I am specifically asking them in their posts not to fling shit and to talk about moderation.
>>279603 I tried. But there is no point discussing with someone who just hammers on a keyboard.
>>279606 >I am specifically asking them in their posts not to fling shit and to talk about moderation. you need at least two people to sustain a shitstorm. Just stop replying to it and the thread would be much better. >>279608 >there is no point discussing with someone who just hammers on a keyboard. than stop replying to him
>>279608 in the following posts there are 21 insults or comments on tone/style which add nothing to the discussion and are simply a personal attack. I think i lost count so that is a conservative estimate. >>279383 >an attention-starved child. >>279498 >And yes you are an attention seeking faggot >You are just an autist >histeria >>279515 >You are an absolute dolt, sage. >>279526 >like a twat. > lies and conjecture. >you consistently act like a bitch. >Leave some line breaks for the rest of us, a sentence is not a paragraph. >>279539 >shit posting and bitching >Everything you are saying is completely ad-hoc >you are a dumb dumb. >>279563 >Ah yes you're not acting like a twat at all. > Now you're just acting like a bitch > The worst thing is you don't have any humor. >not writing as much as possible as fast as possible. (this one is funny, keep up chum) >wordy and worthless >>279593 >you just want to act like a twat all day, >>279595 >You are a twat and wrong about everything >Fuck off >>279608 >there is no point discussing with someone who just hammers on a keyboard. I also note that they accelerate towards the end, you can see the fury of the poster building as they come less coherent and the posts become shorter with less arguments and more just straight abuse. Now yes, here I am, making an ad hominem, commenting on tone. But from that, which poster do you think is prone to hysteria and keyboard smashing?
>>279623 But all you're doing is writing as much as possible as fast as possible. As is clearly evident by the speed you are churning this garbage out. I am simply responding in kind. What is the point of this post. I didn't write most of that but I agree with all of it. >>279614 Yes, good point.
>>279630 m8 you just got btfo, accept it
>>279632 Why because I am not going through sage's posts looking for ad-homs to counter >>279623 and make another pointless post in the process? Do it yourself.
>>279318 >Anti-Idpol board >Can say “nigger” and “incel” as much as you want but not “white people”. Cope.
>>279458 Damn Sage dunking on all the Chapo libs ITT!
>>279758 >>279762 muh huwhite people
>>279632 See this is the issue. These retards think this is all about getting up on one another and not about constructive dialogue.
>>280155 It really isn’t about the one upping for me, I genuinely believe in the things I am saying
>>279771 Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.
>>280298 Try saying without anything in the fields above the text field except when you're specifically want to use the id for thread organizing like the news anons or say as a dungeon master in a roleplay session thread an AMA or other such enterprises where being an identifiable poster enhances the construction of the thread?
>>280155 it was actually just lazy bait t. drunkposter
>>280400 Look man it is clear Sage came in your asshole. It’s fine, he came in all our assholes. He is in all of us
>>274282 is there any way for to make a button to hide threads? I am tired of seeing annoying threads that are replied to the most
>>281270 press on the ⃠ button next to the OP. It should show you a menu with a "hide thread" option.
>>281275 ok, thanks. is there a way in the future to make it so I don't have to enter the thread and I can hide a thread from the catalog. that would be a great feature
Unlock the fucking /pol/yp thread you faggots
>>281970 Does the thread serve any purpose other than inflating your and the /pol/yp's ego?
>>281974 It allows people to better argue and understand Marxism as a whole, and the thread was at the end becoming a discussion about LTV, which is critically important for marxists to understand how to explain and defend.
>>281982 The new thread does that finely, carry on, my apologies for coming across as crass, the previous thread was going places. PD: Reopened the thread because reasons involving even bigger complaining due to the closure of the thread
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>download anti-bernie vegan protest vid >resize & render it to uploadable format >upload it to /usapol/, completely on topic < "fuck libs" >banned for a month because vol thinks this qualifies me as a polfag >>>>hating on libs is equal to being a polfag I'm a communist, for crying out loud. Check people's post history before banning for a fucking month.
>>274282 Y’all are retarded I’m just gonna organize IRL for non-socialist action. Mutualism is the way to go dumbass sensitive Idpol mod.
>>274602 >>274598 come to Detroit
>>276000 I stand with you based anon. These guys are fucking morons and obviously don’t walk outside to do community outreach much less at all
>>276009 CLASS SUFFERING IS PART OF CLASS STRUGGLE! Why do none of you actually read theory beyond your drunken comprehension of some shitty Marx translation
>>276177 What will you do when a man comes into your home and your words fall short? ie. when life confronts you with what happens when you say uhhh not my problem they’re deplorable you’re just an ignorant retard, and if there’s a million of you, then comes genocide. So try not to spread your retarded ideals before I kick your shit in
>>276258 Dude I think you might need to actually read some theory and take a break from masturbating about failed soviet dreams
>>276258 were you really on leftypol originally or are just some rat clinging to a vessel t. 8ch 2014
>>276289 >look son! >anon is projecting
>>282024 address this mods
>>282048 why are you doing this reply by reply lmao
>>282024 Can you link to the post?
>>276338 >letting power be shifted to inequal means isn’t capitalism dūmbass
>>276350 Idk what you’re gonna do when you argue how correct you are to call someone a nigger and they beat you to death and they get away with it under your states aggravated manslaughter charges and do two years :$
>>276490 Wow if you’re the admin I’m out Later cunts. See you in the physical world
>>276594 my war was pretty good
>>282032 Lurk more? Idpol attracts the worse types. From radlibs to polyps. The OP that's whining about misandry and racism is probably one of our resident incels, which don't actually read theory beyond Stirner at best. >>276505 >I would show my face <and not dick ¬_¬ get out >>282057 Don't know who you are but probably good riddance.
>>276595 why do white people commit 45% of lone wolf domestic terror incidents in the US vs 23% for Middle eastern/North African people, anon
idpol baiting (in the mod thread of all places)
>>282060 Hard to be celibate with a family on the way. With a community I’ve to influence. Go read some Schopenhauer and Mbembe you fucking retard. Christ. Good riddance to you when you inevitably quit life. I give a shit about the cause. Hope you find your way, cunt.
>>282024 nvm found it. >>282007 The ban has been reverted.
>>282068 cheers >>282061 nobody cares
>>282066 Oh, you're that idpol obsessed wierdo. No idea what any of your post means, especially the part of being celibate note: I don't give a fuck, why don't you try reading Marx instead. Good riddance indeed.
>>282073 learn what the definitions of words mean before I teach them to you irl
>>282073 I’ve read Marx. It’s great and all but very mass oriented. He has a lot of valid points and I respect the guy, he just ain’t my fav the same he might not be yours. But he’s good. At least he knew that tied to the suffering of the proletariat was the disunification the state subjects the people to in order to best divide them. To unify under suffering is to find strength. Come find some.
>>282079 I meant read anything other than the Communist Manifesto. This is an anti-idpol board, which involves "unifying under suffering" but also "unify under theory". Idpol, such as race generalizations, as you've been banned 5 posts ago, don't add any political analysis beyond "fuck white people, amirite?". There is a lot to be said about those topics, but unfortunately, posters here always take the bait, and political theory knowledge of many posters and visitors frequently derail constructive conversations.
>>282066 >read some Schopenhauer and Mbembe Hot take: Sage is actually Rebel Absurdity.
>>282100 No, I am rebel absurdity.
Why the fuck is this thread up? >>281368 This is /leftypol/ not /pol/. We are under no obligation to give fascists a platform. They already say commies are against free speech and there's absolutely nothing you can do to change their mind. APPEASEMENT DOESN'T WORK
>>282178 No I am pirate autism.
>>282363 Ok reddit.
>>282503 >reddit is when you allow fascists to run rampant on the board and spread their propaganda under the guise of "discussion"
>>282521 It's called upholding the liberal tradition of which Marxism is a development.
>>282521 Go back nigger
>>282572 Yes, human rights and freedom will surely be in danger if fascists aren't allowed to post on a leftist book collectors website. Fuck off. >>282581 Go back where, cumskin?
>>282581 You're not revolutionary honkey.
>>282363 Because it's fun and informative to BTFO fascists. FYI, I was going to bumplock the thread almost instantaneously after it was posted, but another mod advised I didn't, so I didn't, which was a good call.
>>283124 >Because it's fun and informative to BTFO fascists. Fair enough. Looks like the hide threads button works. I didn't think it did because the watch threads button didn't. After I hide a thread, how do I access it again?
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>>283171 Find this and click it. Or find the thread in the catalog.
>>282603 >human rights and freedom will surely be in danger if fascists aren't allowed to post I mean, marxist leninists are allowed to post so i don't see why fascists shouldn't too.
>>283124 >Because it's fun and informative to BTFO fascists. No it's not, the only people that read all that autistic back and forth are all the recovering Nazis that have always dominated /leftypol/.
>>283218 Where do you find that?
Please cleanup the incelposting in the climate textdump thread >>282889
>>283437 thanks for reporting. I have no idea what the post is about, nor time to read. If it keeps happening, keep reporting and link posts if possible.
>>283513 >multiple reports >not reading The only crime the mod who banned the incelposter commited was not closing the reports on the interface.
>>283522 I didn't carry out the ban.
>>283522 A thread about climate change was derailed by a very persistent incelposter. People reported and jannies did their job.
>>283522 The incel poster was complaining about muh chad fucking lots of women in a thread about climate change and ecofascism. The thread is still about gender/family politics right now.
>>283559 It was an interesting discussion about climate change and to some extent eugenics until incel poster showed up and shat all over the thread.
>>283564 >I don't get how it's fair to let any frustrated lib feminists call all their opponents incels, but mentioning "Chads" is banned with extreme prejudice. It's not about what words people used. The people saying it was an incelposter were basing it on the fact that the poster was complaining about Chads being able to have sex freely.
>>283576 I have no issues with the people in that thread who made somewhat reasonable arguments against abortion. Incel poster was not doing that. He spammed and whined about Chad and women having sex and derailed that thread.
>>283589 Saying Chad or calling someone a Chad isn't bannable. Bitching about other people having too much sex to derail a thread is what got that guy banned. >MUH SLURS >>>/reddit/
>>283592 >MUH SLURS It's not about the words. It's about the argument being made, nigcel.
>>283569 The thread was fine, you just got your panties in a twist over nothing. Go look for incels under your bed. Fucking spergs getting triggered by anons using "Chad", it is even more ridiculous than getting triggered by "nigger"
>>283602 nigger is not a racist slur here. and faggot is also not a homophobic slur. If used as such, then it is banned, as you'd know if you lurked more. The bans were handed out because the poster was incelposting, I'm not even sure it had the word 'Chad' in it. I quickly skimmed the last posts, understood the discussion was about abortion, handed out bans to reactionaries. I did read your posts, incel, quit crying. I was too busy to check the reports or read the whole thread.
>>283658 Because it's too much effort and it's obvious from what I wrote.
>>283667 cause incels and their idpol are officially banned by popular will and mod orders
STOP PERSECUTING INCELS
>>283682 See >>283653 you aren't inb4 shit
>>283676 no >>283682 >So it's just idpol you don't like then. Because I don't know if anyone told you this yet, but racial slurs are idpol. honestly even if they were idpol, they aren't exactly a staple of the discourse around here in the same way that, say, /pol/ uses it, which is heavily entrenched in their own reactionary idpol. for the most part it is legacy language from ex-/pol/acks, so it's not a problem in the same sense that incels, actual reactionaries on the board, are.
>>283687 More like >nigger isn't racist when used outside of the context of addressing a black person I see your point about the word being inherently idpozzed though, I don't understand why anons are so loathe to surrender it
>>283691 If it was up to me we'd purge both the incels and the nazis.
>>283686 >Why though? When other idpol, like calling people incels is allowed. Is it just predicated on what annoy's you. it's predicated more on directly eliminating an entrenched reactionary element. >Also this board comes from a Nazi background (8chan), and has always had this soft spot for Nazis, "debating" them for days and allowing them to argue their points. 8chan wasn't a nazi site, at least when leftypol and a lot of the other boards there were made. that besides, leftypol is from 4chan's lit board when marxist discussion got suppressed, so they up and left to make a place where left literature could be openly discussed on the next most popular chan. >Nazis a demonstrable threat to workers into this very day, but you'll give them all the time of day. Because some of them are proles, and if you can get a prole out of the nazi BS and make them an ally, then you have weakened fash and strengthened leftism in one fell swoop. >But not anything you deem from incels, which is really just anything that criticizes feminism. Because incels are reactionaries that refused to bend the knee, so like any raiding /pol/ack who keeps on being a reactionary, they get purged. All reactionaries get the same treatment, repent or get fucked. >>283691 >Like hell it isn't. Regardless, they're still idpol through and through. You think it's arbitrary that fash love that word. Is there some equivalence of black people who use nigger and nazis then too? or is it just us because it's an expedient way to make a not-argument over the semantics of language. >Isn't that Nazi legacy something we should seek to purge? Yes, along with all reactionary forces. However, as far as the order of priorities go, purging active reactionaries and instilling materialist thought into newbies is more important than playing language police. >You don't need to "debate" Nazis to deconstruct their arguments either. For the most part you don't debate for the benefit of the person you are arguing with, but the people watching. >Nazi culture isn't reactionary but incels are. <ex-/pol/acks are nazis they are spooked to high hell but they aren't that bad. incels, meanwhile, are.
>>283725 If you weren't such a newfag you would know about this board's sordid past with incels. We hate them because they bring their fucking shit into everything and because they have proven again and again that they aren't even communists.
>>283735 It is about the fact that incels derail threads and ruins conversation. If we had feminists coming in and doing the same thing I would also recommend swift bannings with extreme prejudice.
>>283740 But they do, they always have to masturbate over how great abortion is.Most recently in the eugenics thread. It's like watching a democratic debate.
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>>283743 >they always have to masturbate over how great abortion is
>>283735 nazis are banned if they are not upfront about being identitarian reactionaries. incels are NOT upfront about being identitarian reactionaries. That means that when they incelpost, they are potentially breaking two important rules, < Don't cloack reactionary takes as leftist. < No idpol posting. If the mods actively allow reactionaries to post, it is entirely for entertainment and/or educational purposes (not necessarily of the reactionaries). It is subjective and depends on the quality, manageability, and trajectory of the topic/thread. If you don't like not being able to post, consider not being a reactionary :^)
>>283886 well I certainly did not expect the emoticonposter to be a vol
>>283701 Lenin himself said that working within reactionary proletarian structures to turn them to leftism is a pretty big and important objective for lefties, specifically in reactionary and fash trade unions back in his day, but today the reactionaries that are turnable. sorry if you have a distaste for praxis, but undermining reactionaries simply empowers us and weakens our enemies, and without a strong fash movement for the bourgs to fall back on in periods of crisis, revolution is more viable. That besides, a good left program doesn't need to go out and manually recruit any apolitical workers - they flock to them because of what they champion. >>283703 Pretty overt simplification, 8/pol/ initially was more the more radical lolberts and some fash that left 4/pol/ because of site crackdowns, but /pol/ wasn't the main draw of the site until later on in its history. it was just more liked because it had more power given to the userbase and the ability to make entire boards, which caused a lot of weird little niche boards to crop up. >>283705 Lad, we don't have any slavers here as far as I know. We do, however, have a fuckload of annoying, idpol-laden incels that shit up the place all the time in our site, so that's who we ban. Don't tell me you seriously are making the "b-but bigger targets" argument on a Taiwanese knitting site. We aren't a party or a really politically active organ, just a left hangout. >>283708 Purposeful generalization, plus some pretty fucking rancid racism from yourself in saying that all rap is an expression of black people only exerted by the state's influence rather than a representation of the lifestyle the state enforces on the black population via the material discrepancies they create via a capitalist system. But please, don't let materialism get in the way of your idpol'd grief. >>283712 >Sorry, I give you no quarter anywhere Quaking in my boots. Have fun being a shitty splitter that nobody listens to and prolly gets banned in like an hour, lel. >>283725 >Nazis hate incels because they don't produce children and want "useless eaters" killed. now this is some 4d chess
>>283900 Not the vol you're responding to, but I also use :^) condescendingly.
>>283743 >>283569 >>283559 >eugenics thread What was that all about?
INCELS ARE THE MODERN JEWS WE ARE PERSECUTED SHUNNED SPAT ON EVERYWHERE WE GO WE HAVE NO PLACE TO CALL HOME WHERE IS OUR ISRAEL
>>283909 >Lenin himself said that working within reactionary proletarian structures to turn them to leftism is a pretty big and important objective for lefties, Did Lenin also say to not triage anything and spend 100 times the time and energy turning fash when it could be spent turning non class concious workers and yield 100s of times more people? >sorry if you have a distaste for praxis Oh show me these grate gains this praxis has yielded. >but undermining reactionaries simply empowers us and weakens our enemies, Giving a platform to Nazis doesn't do that. Nobody but your latent fash buddies follow the "debate a Nazi" threads.
>>283930 I believe it was someone posting about climate change as a conspiracy by the elite to cull the population
>>283931 Bro, just have sex.
>>283909 >but undermining reactionaries simply empowers us and weakens our enemies, and without a strong fash movement for the bourgs to fall back on in periods of crisis, revolution is more viable. Yeah sorry, Anrchists have been 1 millions times more successful than ossified MLs like you in weakening the fash. And they did that by directly confronting the fash. But since Lenin 100 years ago did it we should pal around with fash even though we have proven praxis. >That besides, a good left program doesn't need to go out and manually recruit any apolitical workers - they flock to them because of what they champion. Source: your ass. >Pretty overt simplification, 8/pol/ initially was more the more radical lolberts and some fash that left 4/pol/ because of site crackdowns, but /pol/ wasn't the main draw of the site until later on in its history. This is just revisionism, the board started off as a refuge of gamergates (right wing), and fash kicked off of 4 chan. The "create your own board" feature was an integral part of fighting "censorship" of Nazis and gamergaters they left 4 chan for. Hot wheels wanted to create a liberal marketplace of ideas that addressed the censorship that 4chan Mods could impose. Don't like the moderation of a board, create your own and see if your ideas as to how things should be run are actually popular. People didn't go there because of that feature lol. /v/ and /pol/ were the top two boards for that entire chans life. >Lad, we don't have any slavers here as far as I know. Aw sweetie we actually do, they just call them prisoners. >We do, however, have a fuckload of annoying, idpol-laden incels that shit up the place all the time in our site, so that's who we ban. but Nazis don't shoot up the place because you like them right and it's important to talk to Nazis because Lennon said so even though that was before World War II and before fascism was completely marginalized and discredited as a political ideology. >Don't tell me you seriously are making the "b-but bigger targets" argument on a Taiwanese knitting site Don't tell me you're making claims to being anti idpol when you allow the most vicious racial slurs to slung everywhere, but incels, who are really just anyone that criticizes liberal feminism are just too annoying in sitting up the board :-( >Purposeful generalization, plus some pretty fucking rancid racism from yourself in saying that all rap is an expression of black people only exerted by the state's influence rather than a representation of the lifestyle the state enforces on the black population via the material discrepancies they create via a capitalist system. Yeah f*** your Lumpenprolesl they sell drugs to even more vulnerable workers in their neighborhood and they are tools of the state. Gary Webb proves that they were using the money they made off of cocaine sales to fund anti-communist gorillas throughout Latin America if you don't think that still goes on then you are a fascist apologist. Modern rap doesn't represent black workers. >Quaking in my boots. Have fun being a shitty splitter that nobody listens to and prolly gets banned in like an hour, lel. When she hits the sand your true colors will show I won't have to wait long the only people that are going to be hurt are the people that trusted you and other former fast like yourself
>>283909 >Nazis hate incels because they don't produce children and want "useless eaters" killed. >now this is some 4d chess How is recognizing highly patriarchal nature of Nazism 4d chess. Nazis hate feminism for the same reason it's an ideology that will significantly slow down the birth rate their expansionist policy required High birth rates
Get rid of incel(s). The main problem isn't even that it's reactionary trash but that it is so fucking boring. This has been going on for half a year since we landed here. How the fuck is this shit still continuing?
>>283931 There are places exclusively for incels, like wizardchan and probably /r9k/. Why the hell are you preaching here?
>>283964 >There are places exclusively for incels >like wizardchan lmfao, wizchan is full of sexhavers and delusional "volcels" they even call us crabs, a meme that originated from anti-incel reddit and /r9k/ is normis central
>>283952 >Yeah sorry, Anrchists have been 1 millions times more successful than ossified MLs like you in weakening the fash. And they did that by directly confronting the fash. Gonna stop you right there on that one. Tell me how many world wars you lazy drug addicts and BDSM weirdos have won again? Unless trashcans, windows and the elderly count as fascists--you haven't smashed one.
>>283973 Cannot possibly be "worse" than a place that should be about politics. You're free to piss and moan there, are you not?
>>283931 You are vilified because you derail political discussion at every turn because the mention of a boobie triggers you into a mental break.
we need some wordfilters for this autism
>>283990 >Tell me how many world wars you lazy drug addicts and BDSM weirdos have won again? The USSR is gone, and all but 2 ML states stand. And they ain't gonna win any World Wars anytime soon. The USSR was dismantled by the your precious Vanguard party themselves. Tell me when was the last time a porky nation sold themselves to a communist country?
>>283990 You haven't smashed anything either, faggot larper.
Both of you STFU.
>>284061 Idk one of them is clearly inebriated, it’s kinda funny to read drunken spergouts
Could the admins of the cytube show up on cytube?
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Don't strain yourself.
>>288464 Refresh the page.
>>288464 And check the logs.
Spammers figured out how to post one char per line. We need a post rule for limit on line breaks.
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use the circle with the strikethrough to hide posts comrades
>>288692 ctrl+f "No. " to find post heads quickly. Start from the bottom search up.
>>288661 Sorry for the wait, thread has been cleaned up for now.
>>288721 And thanks for the tip
Why is this >>289292 locked?
>>289617 There's already two Stalin hate threads up, the OP of >>289292 is free to shit on Stalin and MLs there if he desires. This thread adds nothing of value, it's just a shitty, unfunny crappost. There probably shouldn't even be more than two identical threads up at the same time but whatever. But one more? Get the fuck out
Reminder that whenever /pol/ retards shoot themselves (figuratively and literally), they come here to mega cope. If you're a /pol/tard that is ready to unfuck themselves, feel free to ask honest questions in good faith. Be ready to concede points and to get blown the fuck out.
>>289638 >There's already two Stalin hate threads up So what? There's 384 threads in the catalog. Are you telling me there aren't 2 or 3 identical threads? Who cares anyway, there's so much space in the catalog that it doesn't matter. >This thread adds nothing of value, it's just a shitty, unfunny crappost. Says you. When did you become curators of leftist content? I thought you were just supposed to ban fascists and keep right-wing shit off the board. The rules in OP: >Therefore, posts that; (1) argue under false pretences ("false flagging") (2) imply reactionary positions of the userbase as a form of group shaming (3) are of an overly derisive and mocking nature (4) are of a gratuitously offensive or hysterical nature (5) are debating inherently reactionary topics where no reasonable debate is possible >May be removed at the discretion of moderation staff. Nowhere does it say "shall limit the number of threads per topic" and nowhere does it say mods get to decide how many threads is too many. Therefore, you get the fuck out. >There probably shouldn't even be more than two identical threads up at the same time but whatever. Now you get to decide rules when you feel like it? Fuck you, you powertripping dweeb.
>for free >they do it for free
>>289715 Not the other mod, but what you suggest promotes shit threads and kills good threads. It's the most basic of quality controls.
>>289760 >kills good threads There are 384 threads in the catalog. If you think a thread is worth reviving, bump it. When fascist propaganda stays up because it's "owning the fascists", but threads made by leftists get locked because you don't like that it is similar to another thread is fucking bullshit. >the most basic of quality controls If you cared about quality, per-thread IDs would be enabled, for a start. You deciding what "quality" is is a slippery slope.
>>289793 Threads which are closer to the first page get more traction. We seriously don't need 6 purely sectarian threads in the first 2 pages. >>286208 >>286075 >>286051 >>286400 >>289292 >>285615 That's almost one of every three posts in the first two pages, for reference. There's more further down the catalog, just to be clear. The board doesn't move that fast to merit so many threads of the same topic.
>>289814 Alright.
Hey mods some fagot posted CP in /gulag/. please delete it >>>/gulag/4223
>>289760 Yeh yeh like the DNC quality controlled so Pete Buttigeig could win
>>283973 >to incel for wizchan Fucking Jesus Christ just fire the nukes Kim the world is beyond repair
Why is the communist fashion thread locked optics are important
>>290393 not politics >>290386 >these things that are not at all the same are the same. Big thonk
>>290399 Political strategy is politics dumbass. And it is the same, an unelected nepotistic retard fest makes decisions for “quality control” against the wishes of the base
>>290414 Fashion is not political strategy retard. >against the wishes of the base You don't speak for the people, we've been over this. Get your delusions under control.
>>290419 >optics aren’t political strategy You are simply wrong. Why do you think so many political movements have had uniforms? >base There are a large number of posters telling you to stop
>Marxist fashion >Marxist hollywood movies/tv shows >Marxist cartoons/anime >Marxist comics/manga >Marxist video games >Marxist diets >Marxist music genres >Marxist sexual fetishs >??? >Full communism.
>>290442 yes, yes everything is politics. Congratulations on that truism. But there are some things that are more politics than others. >large number lie
>>290454 >stuff that people like and want to post about Not on my watch. You praise anti communist Arab nationalists or you GTFO >>290462 Indeed everything is politics. Optics for political movements are 100% part of political strategy. I see you didn’t answer the question, why has pretty much every successful political movement, particularly communist ones, had uniforms? The Black Panther Party, for example. The uh.. Red Army, for example. The IRA had a distinct aesthetic. In fact the ones that didn’t also all failed. Shitty hippy “no uniforms maaaan” movements >lie It’s most of this thread if you discount mods posting without their tags jacking themselves off
>>290468 bunkerchan.xyz##.innerPost:has(.linkName:has-text(Sage#+GbZOp))
>>290468 >didn’t answer the question It has nothing to do with the topic. Are you simple? >last sentence lies and conjecture.
>>290479 It has everything to do with it Jesus the cope. How is “what should communists wear” unrelated to uniforms? My god you are actually physically incapable of admitting you are wrong >lies and conjecture Anyone who isn’t retarded can see the mods jacking themselves off
>>290462 >>290479 You know that we had a poll about this, right? >>290468 >if you discount mods posting without their tags jacking themselves off Not everyone who disagrees with you is a mod, you know. There are people on here who believe that forcing people to use /hobby/ would be a good thing for the board / site.
>>290493 I know not everyone, but the mods definitely do jack themselves off
>>290493 I remember a poll in the mod thread which is problematic for obvious reasons. >forcing people to use /hobby/ would be a good thing for the board / site Yes, I would go so far as to say that everyone who isn't simple believes that. Like getting boards other than /b/ and /a/ was good for 4chan. >>290492 You asking a dumb, loaded question doesn't prove shit. Look at this flawless logic: Communists are human Humans are animals zoology is the study of animals Ergo: Any (!!!) discussion of biology and zoology is politics.
>>290496 Sage, all you do is jack off all over this thread with your hot takes for pages and pages on end. Yes, some of the people who post anonymously are mods, because it's disrespectful for us to always use mod tags when not posting for official purposes, but most of them are not. Hell, even if we were all mods, we are users of this site too and our opinions also count so why shouldn't we be allowed to have our say?
>>290504 Considering what thread (not one that is known for being very intelligent) I am in, I feel I have to explain This is literally analogous to: Communists wore uniforms Uniforms are fashion Ergo: Any (!!!) discussion of fashion is politics.
Reminder that >>>/gulag/ exists in case you have genuine concerns and feedback. As if, we're obviously flawless :^)
>>290504 The poll gave a quite clear majority that off topic stuff with a communist twist was good. As for the rest of your post, and this post >>290515 Is complete garbage, because the thread is specifically about communist fashion, not “any discussion of fashion” hilarious you have to misrepresent what I am saying to have an argument, as you do every.single.time. Easy to argue with imagined phantoms that don’t cohere to what I am actually saying. Dishonest and hysterical as usual. >>290507 Your opinions are fine, posting as if you are an anonymous poster praising your own actions as mods is obviously bullshit to the level I don’t even have to explain it. If anyone can’t understand that they are lobotomised and I feel nothing but pity for them
>sage is at it again it's all so tiresome
>>290596 And do you have any evidence that mods are sitting here making MODS = GODS posts or whatever? >>290616 Indeed
>>290616 My life improved when I just filtered him away. Tripfagging has some benefits for the bystander it turns out.
>>290619 No I can’t see IPs like they can and obviously they aren’t going to tell on themselves. Again, not the only person to make this judgement. You can tell by posting style etc tho. >>290616 When mods stop their bullshit, I will not be at it. What tiresome is their inability to admit fault. Leading to such takes as “uniforms have nothing to do with fashion” and “uniforms have nothing to do with political strategy”
>>290596 I'm not gonna bother with this cause at this point it's extremely shitting up the thread again but I'm just gonna say the thread is still up for anyone to see. >>289300 wow much communist (obviously "what about [x hobby] but communist" is extremely easy to game, I could make 20 threads like that and you would be unable to stop me if the rules are idiotic and blindly followed, context matters)
>>290628 >uniforms have nothing to do with fashion exactly the opposite of what was said reread >>290515 and concentrate you are so fucking dim holy shit >uniforms have nothing to do with political strategy no, they have very little to do with it like zoology. Don't be so dishonest.
>>290629 You could do that sure but that isn’t what the poster of that thread is doing. So again, not posting about reality, posting about phantoms in your mind. >weed should be legal for all these reasons etc etc >but what if I crush a baby to death with 1 tonne of weed what then huh? Is the level you are on
>>290635 I was t responding to that post you retard scroll up to the poster who says it has nothing to do with it. Read the thread before you post and don’t assume. >they have very little to do with it Back to the original unanswered question then, why have so many communist movements emphasised uniforms?
>>290639 same reason sports teams wear jerseys.
>>290628 >When mods stop their bullshit, I will not be at it. No, you will never stop your jihad against mods. Whatever they do, they will always trigger you.
>>290642 So it is strategically beneficial. But sports teams don’t just wear any old jerseys do they, but ones suited to their sport and even their particular tactics. Such things require discussion to be sure. >>290663 I never complained about the mods before the purges of old BO and I don’t complain about the mods when they don’t do stupid shit. It just so happens they do.
>>290663 I’m also not the triggered one, it’s them that can’t read words without flipping out
>>290667 It is marginal in the extreme. By this logic everything under the sun requires us to discuss it. Do you act like this in socialist meetings (implying)?
>>290672 In socialist meetings people rarely try to ban discussion of certain topics. We also discuss the optics of various actions a lot. I’m not a member of a communist party for various reasons. The people I know who are in communist parties, or examples the CPB or YCL place high value on aesthetics, as do other “Adidas Marxists” which I have my own critiques of, which you might have seen. Nonetheless I encourage the discussion. It’s only a marginal discussion in your head. Particularly in today’s society of social media how you present yourself is of huge importance.
>>290676 I want to revise that “rarely” to it’s actually never happened in any socialist meeting I have been a part of. Certainly if you started using racial slurs etc you’d probably get a beating in some of those meetings, but no question of strategy has ever been banned.
>>290676 The reason the thread was locked was stated in the thread. The thread was NOT about communist uniforms, I don't know where you got that idea.
>>290687 Sage, why don't you make a thread on whether fashion and larping in uniforms is a good strategy for bringing about revolution. I repeat, the thread was NOT about that. If you want that thread, make it.
>>290676 Dodging the question. You say they place a high value on aesthetics but do they discuss fashion in their meetings. No, they don't and we don't wear uniforms. Simple as. >I encourage [shitposting] Yes.
>>290688 >>290692 The thread was about general aesthetics which are important in and of themselves and obviously pertain closely to discussion of uniforms. Again with the dishonesty. >>290721 The question was whether I am like this in meetings not what they discuss in their meetings. I don’t know what they discuss in their meetings. I know for a fact they spend hours and hours talking about fashion though in Facebook group chats etc, I would post screenshots as proof from the last 24 hours even if it wasn’t a massive doxx to all parties
>>290745 >Again with the dishonesty. No you. Look at the thread again. It was about personal fashion. >Communists talk about fashion between themselves so that is an appropriate discussion for lefypol. Nah nigga. Fuck off, this isn't /b/ for communists.
>>290745 >obviously pertain closely It is about as obvious as me being closely related to Lenin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation >Facebook group chats Yes, ok great. Please don't post anything from there. We already have enough "cursed" content.
>>289855 why is this thread locked? That is a convert right there. We should be welcoming. >It was about personal fashion. so its a thread about aesthetics. >Communists talk about fashion between themselves so that is an appropriate discussion for lefypol. fashion directly in the context of its use for revolutionary purposes. Yes. >Fuck off, this isn't /b/ for communists. what is it then? You seem to think its some high tier theory shop. It isn't, not even nearly. Here is the other point I don't make enough, you know what the old trade union and socialist movements had that ones these days don't? Working mens clubs, local pubs, local dole queues etc etc etc. In these places almost as much as the factory, solidarity is formed. We do not have these things now. What we do have is the internet. You think they only ever talked about theory in working men's clubs? >>290771 blah blah
>>290812 blah blah (reason is given in the thread)
>>290823 >(reason is given in the thread) no it isn't
>>290833 Yes it is.
>>290857 post it then
>>290883 I was talking about this thread >>>289855
Okay mods i know we had fight but someone has posted CP plz get rid of
its first thing on the catalogue
>>290929 Never fear, mods are already here. Better response time than the po-leece
why delete the glasses gang shitposting thread???
>>291095 memes are bourgeois
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>>291101 what do you think of my new meme
>>291115 Fukken saved'd
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>yesterday 2am (GMT) >770 pph can anyone explain to me what happened?
>>291270 Probably one of the townhalls
>>291272 must Consoom habbening
>>291270 Peak burger hours?
>>291115 based and anti mod gang pilled
As of now, the following rule, having been cleared through a vote in the staff is in motion: All namefagging/tripfagging (by non-staff) is out of bounds inside the mod thread All posting of this kind will be flagged as a reason for ban, and/or deleted at the acting mod's discretion. Normal posting is allowed, just not name/tripfaggotry, and for the purposes of commenting on mod action on the boards, not random shenanigans.
>>291311 lmao you guys called a vote and created a new policy because of one (1) tripfag?
>>291334 Shift+F + sage# A whole, fucking fourth of all posts on the damn modthread. The dialectics are in motion.
>>291334 anti-sage action
>>291334 they cannot handle being called out on their bullshit, and now others are agreeing with Sage who came in all our assholes they are scared and taking action.
>>291363 You think yourself so sneaky, you ain't so sneaky.
>>291115 Based >>291311 Mods this is a new low for you. Can’t handle some basic criticisms. Sage is right about you
>>291311 Sage officially vindicated with this very post, mods btfo themselves what a day
>>291351 Sage is cumming in the mods assholes. That’s okay. He came in all our assholes. T.real sage
>>291391 >t.real sage prove it you won't
>>291389 Free Sage!
>>291373 >Mods this is a new low for you. Can’t handle some basic criticisms. I honestly don't see what's so bad about this, he can just post without name.
>>291400 but now nobody else can because mods are buttblasted
>>291411 I don't think you've noticed this but there are only one tripfag in this thread. Most of us are perfectly content with airing our grievances anonymously.
>>291311 >Changing rules over one tripfag Lmao t. sage
>>291411 Why should i care? there is basicly no reason to namefag in this thread. Also Sage & his haters have on multiple occasions turned this thread into a shitflinging contest about wether or not he was a retarded narcissist, so there is an actual reason to do this.
Samefagging is bannable too btw :^) >>291334 Basically yes, ain't democracy something. Personally I think it doesn't go far enough. Next we should tackle low-effort shitposting in the mod thread so that this thrash thread is actually readable. Reminder that /gulag/ exists for if you have legitimate complaints etc.
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>>291445 The thread was entertaining because of sage. We need more Sages.
>>291463 >we need more sages >entertaining I think you are on the wrong thread.
>>291468 I am at a healthy weight.
>>291463 This is a mod thread. It is not supposed to be entertaining.
>>291463 We are all Sage. Sage is in us all
>>291445 >democracy Lmao this is like the royal family all voting on how to torture a prole
>>291531 True. Sage is in us all cooming
>>291534 Sagefag, you are not oppressed, on the contrary by shitting up this thread you are contributing to the oppression of the postertariat.
>>291556 I’m not Sage. What confusion the mods have caused
>>291444 this is the mods taking personal revenge not enacting policy for the board. If haters shit up the thread over a trip that is their fault.
>>291615 >personal revenge <waaaa I can't namefag cope in >>>/faggot/ or something
>>291665 nah trip banning is mod cope
>>291445 >Next we should tackle low-effort shitposting in the mod thread so that this thrash thread is actually readable. That is policy already and we will endeavour to do so in the future now that certain attention seekers have less incentive t. can't be bothered to log in gang
>>291675 >Implying complaining about trip banning isn't cope
>>291445 >>291793 >>291955 T.mods jerking themselves off
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>>291311 If you're gonna do that then make it mandatory for mods to have their board volounteer tag when posting in the mod thread.
>>292573 something tells me they wouldn't "democratically" vote for that among themselves. Wonder why that could be... Its almost as if they hate accountability and just want to be able to tailor the board toward their own retarded and autistic viewpoints or something. Remember, pro mod posters who may have been mods themselves have on more than one occasion called the black panther party idpol. This is not quality control, this is the blind demanding to lead the sighted on the premise they have a panic button which can kill the sighted at any second
>>291955 you don't know what "cope" means
>>292594 >pro mod posters The ironing is that the anti mod posters are literally sage and some other guy whom it cannot be exactly pinpointed to be sage, yet.
>>292674 A 70% majority voted to include off topic leftist stuff. It isn’t just Sage. Nobody supports this but the mods themselves
>>292573 That isn't enforceable and excessive posting with volunteer tag also seems to make people mad. Personally, I will from this point forward only reply to relevant inquiries. No tag because this isn't an official position.
>>292706 It is perfectly enforceable, you can see when people are ban evading so it’s easy to see when it’s just a mod without no their flag. You just don’t want to
>>292707 Ban evaders can be identified if a new IP picks up an argument where a banned IP stopped. Or by constant repetition of certain points and writing style. Changing your IP is the most trivial thing in the world. You seem to severely overestimate what info we have available.
>>292594 >pro mod posters have on more than one occasion called the black panther party idpol. fake news. A complete fabrication. You've been called out on this before.
>>292712 >Ban evaders can be identified if a new IP picks up an argument where a banned IP stopped. Untagged pro mod posters regularly pick up where mods have left off or vice versa. >Or by constant repetition of certain points and writing style. there are easily recognisable points and writing styles which overlap with mods. >>292730 >fake news. A complete fabrication. no it isn't, it has happened multiple times in this thread. >You've been called out on this before. who is "you" I'm anon
>>292740 >no it isn't 😑 >who is "you" I'm anon hahaha sorry, I meant sooomeone was corrected about this.
>>292594 imagine having so much unnuanced autism that you are pro or anti mod as a generality rather than having positions on different aspects on moderation where they are good or where they need to improve
>>292740 Let's just say our experience differs massively and leave it at that. There is only one person that I can identify by writing style alone in this thread.
>>292752 Except Sage has nuance. His entire position is to add nuance to mod policy. Has actually suggested nuanced policy to replace what we have now. Actually presents cases for certain threads etc. The haters and pro mod posters are generally just "lol ban everything I don't like" and then call you a faggot or something.
>>292750 >no it isn't >yes it is >no it isn't the quality or argumentation is the same on both sides. Weird thing to make up though no?
>>292706 It isn't "excessive posting" because a mod thread is a separate section. You have separated it by applying different rules to this thread. Therefore no one is going to get annoyed if all the mods post with their mod tag in the mod thread. I'm not saying make mods post everywhere with the vol tag. If this thread is its own thing (and it is, because no trips + mod action complaints, rather than discussion) then you can have separate rules for mods as well.
>>292782 Not that much. Sage was at that time trying to prove that the mods were radlibs. I made an off hand remark about the capturing and neutralizing of black panthers by liberal media, which he or someone else mistook as me saying that the black panthers were liberal. That was the only instance it was brought up, all other times were a reference to this moment, always by sage and once by whomever the mystery anon is who posted this >>292594. Sage was 100% sure that there were several posts in the previous mod thread claiming the black panthers are liberal. He was asked to provide evidence but none was provided. I ask whomever the mystery anon is to provide such evidence or stfu about it.
>>292839 Wrong there was a specific post that said “fuck off with your black panther party bullshit” after they said “frankly, they are idpol” it was only later that the walk back happened with the “oh I was just saying they were captured by the liberal media” or whatever.
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Growing real tired of your bullshit, sage You just can't seem to stop posting here without constantly framing the whole conversation as you vs us and shitting up the board in general.
theres some anglo-nazbol tard shitting up the /eirepol/ thread hijacking every convo to sperg out about "progressive idpol pro EU shitlibs fixated on abortion,fag marriage,trans rights and triggering proddies" and using lefty-sounding language to excuse imperialism and racist idpol. >>292874 >>292882 >>292891 jannies do smth plox
what's with all the anarchist sperging about ML lately? I'm all for criticism but "stalin was evil!!!" and "death to tankies!!!" is some retarded shit
>>292780 there is literally no nuance to this endless fucking whining
>>293305 no idea. Perhaps someone made a post on some subreddit? It feels there is more than one, but it could be just one that is constantly doing anti-ML threads. Any anarchist care to comment why you recently (past week?) came here?
>>291311 It’s weird how the votes always go for what the bitch ass mods want. Luck I guess.
>>294955 We're the only ones who get to vote idiota, it's internal voting
>>292856 I remember this as well. I always believed leftypol’s “anti idpol” stance was just crypto racism, and that was one of many instances that proved it.
>>291311 >Normal posting is allowed, just not name/tripfaggotry, and for the purposes of commenting on mod action on the boards, not random shenanigans. Goddamn you mods brought out the nukes for one tripfag. Sage is living in your head rent free.
>>290812 >what is it then? You seem to think its some high tier theory shop. This is exactly what they think it is, but they’ll get their panties in a wad over “Idpol” but autistically debate fucking Nazis all day.
Just a reminder not to engage with bad faith actors. It will only help to turn this thread into a shitstorm, again.
>>295130 >one post is the whole board's consensus wew.
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>comatoast deletes the post pointing out his butthurt and abuse of power
>>295151 He can't keep getting away with it.
>>295151 >Fabricates narratives to justify breaking the rules Cope.
>>295132 Sage is cooming inside them like he cooms inside all of us. He is in all of us. He is in me. So it is written
>>295226 This happens every time the rules get enforced. If you don't like it there's plenty of places you can go to bitch about reproductive Rights. Places like Reddit.
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>>292839 >Sage was at that time trying to prove that the mods were radlibs. by saying that they thought the black panther party was idpol? This makes zero sense at all and your post therefore makes zero sense
>>295278 Hard not to engage with the mods particularly that faggot coomertoast
>>295280 Considering that a large part of the "criticism" in this thread is just shitting on mods, I'm not really surprised that they act like fags.
>>295288 its perfectly legitimate criticism it isn't "just shitting" on them. If mods don't want shit talked about them they should stop acting like a bunch of retards
>>295290 >Enforcing the aforementioned rules is being a retard. Notice how there's no real substance to any of this. It's just petty ad-hominem.
>>295309 Coma, this may come over as rude but I've the feeling you're grumpy would you consider maybe taking a walk or something. Also next time you make a post would you please think about whether it would contribute to turning this thread into a pile of shit. Because saying stuff like "Cope" or "go back to reddit" doesn't have any substance either. I know it's tempting, but just because other people act like fags doesn't mean you should do the same.
>>295309 >Notice how there's no real substance to any of this. It's just petty ad-hominem. projection considering this poster was obviously you comatoast. I've notice your furious posts are chock full of projection. >>279623 All these posts referenced are clearly you
>>295323 Nah i calmed down. Illt yeild that the cope comment was probably out of line. I have a lot going on in my personal life right now. However, telling people there are places they can go to discuss topics revolving around idpol is a sincere statement. There a places to discussing the topic at hand and some times that needs to be states. Just not here. Furthermore, every single time a violation of the rules is enforced this does always happen. Regardless if it is legitimate or not. That also, at times, needs to be stated.
>>295309 >enforcing the rules I made up based on extremely vague interpretations of things is the whole problem
>>295381 We have probably been discussing what does and does not constitute idpol for probably about 4 solid months now. The discourse in question had absolutely no discernible relation to class analysis. Again, keep lying. Furthermore, it's not like the policy of being against idpol didn't carry over from 8ch. The only difference is we shut down the genera for it. But keep lying. Really helping your case.
>>295389 idpol didn't get banned outright on 8chan it just got bullied as it should have done and we may have been discussing it for months but you mods have still given no workable definition
>>295410 >idpol didn't get banned outright on 8chan it just got bullied as it should have done And the front page and half the threads revolved around the same tired 'arguments' about transvestites or incels, often from outside shitposters. I was all in favour of the idpol gulag instead of outright banning it, but that thread quickly became extremely retarded and cancerous. In a perfect world we'd be able to moderate ourselves, but there's always a handful of people taking the bait, and I'm sure a lot of right-wingers realize they can just shitpost about trannies to derail a legitimate discussion or force cleavages in the userbase.
>>295410 >No workable definition >How many times have I reittered that a central focus of class meets non idpol metrics in my book? The thread failed to meet that standard. Sorry
>>295451 >And the front page and half the threads revolved around the same tired 'arguments' about transvestites or incels, This never happened. We had one Idpol containment thread that stayed at the top of the catalog a lot and Idpol threads that’d pop up as they do now.
>>295272 Call the black panthers is Idpol though. It’s just racism, both against blacks and for white Idpol.
>>295639 He's talking about before the containment, why do you think it was put there in the first place. And the containment thread was absolute thrash and worse than anything I've ever seen on this board. >>295451 It would make sense if it was to a large extent /pol/yps that made these thread. Even a /pol/tard can figure out that they can get to 200+ replies easily with lazy bait. Also there always seemed to be a strong reactionary element in those threads.
>>295639 The incels escaped containment regularly. At first we had three active threads derailed by incel shit plus the containment. Believe it or not, it is much better now.
>>295451 >And the front page and half the threads revolved around the same tired 'arguments' about transvestites or incels It didn't have that problem, and it is easily solved by just putting things in a general like we do with other things. Also then you could actually talk about the valuable discussions to be had in those areas, if we had a "gender general" "race general" "incel general". So if you want to talk about black liberation you can do it without having to wade through tranny posts. This is another part of the problem, you are lumping in sooooooo much shit together that isn't really the same beyond the fact that they are issues which surround identity. The racial discussion is extremely different to the transexual discussion or the incel discussion, for example. Putting them all in generals would also decrease the amount of derailing using those subjects that can go on.
Why was the involuntary psychiatric hospitalization thread bumplocked? It is an important topic, are we gonna bumplock threads every time a retarded tank throws a fit?
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>>295707 It was schizoposting
>>295711 Show me where? I raised valid concerns about involuntary hospitalizing and torturing your political opponents and all I heard was "based do it again" "not a problem mate, YOU'RE not insane right?" If this is not concerning, I don't know what else is.
>>295410 >>295451 >>295467 Proposed solution: >write stock idpol-debunking arguments >screencap/copypaste them >when idpol comes up, post the debunk >once idpol is debunked, bumplock the thread (or tell people to stop derailing if it was something else originally) This puts the onus on the community to practice this and also to develop the arguments in the first place.
Some faggot is posting anti-communist shit in leftybooru https://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=10919#
>>295704 We don't need three different generals just for idpol posts. Most of us who post here just want to get away from idpol altogether.
>>295719 You can hide threads though. If people stay in one or more containment threads you can avoid them. Not an ideal solution, just something to consider.
>>295723 This supposed to be an anti-idpol board. Flooding the board with idpol generals would defeat the case.
>>295684 >The incels escaped containment regularly. No they didn’t, and how come a fucking communist board has this kind of militancy against incels but not fucking Nazis. Fuck the radlib jannies.
>>295727 Deconstructing Idpol is Anti Idpol. But it triggers the anons here that are all recoding Nazis becaus evil they’re still latently spooked by white supremacy. I’ve said it a millions times, but using “nigger” is Idpol. But since that doesn’t hurt the white fee fees of the mods here it’s okay.
>>295728 They did, and believe it or not they managed to be more annoying than the nazis.
>>295738 *recovering Nazis
>>295727 Is the board anti-idpol or non-idpol? Anti idpol would be opposing idpol shenanigans including arguing against liberal ideology and reactionary ideology. Non idpol would be having a moratorium on the subject. >>295738 >I’ve said it a millions times And totally ignored the responses a million times too! >>295741 see >>295735
>>295738 You are extremely naive if you think that the idpol threads would be deconstructing idpol in any shape or form.
Hot take: there is no reason to argue with sage and co. over the idpol gulag because they flatly deny the reality of idpol leaking and the state of the board as caused by the idpol gulag, so just call them wrong and move on with life because they are purposefully going to be unreasonable and contrarian on it so they can get their ideological brownie points for being anti-mod or whatever.
>>295750 >And totally ignored the responses a million times too! Yeah because they’re all racist apologia. Using those racial slurs would get you kicked out of any communist org, but they’re nit racist here because uhhh Chan tradition. Fuck you and fuck your reactionary Chan culture which devolved into Nazism now.
>>295741 >They did Usually it was some assblasted feminist leaking out of gulag whining muh ban incels, and incels defending themselves from defamation how they want to enslave all females for example
>>295768 >words have essential racism or non-racism properties go post in the fantasy/DnD thread on /hobby/ about Power Word Bigotry tbhfam
>>295768 You could just leave if it triggers you that much.
>>295741 >Nazis, with the blood of millions of workers on their hands, are more annoying than incels. Holy shit the fuck fash sympathizers on this board are fucking amazing with their cope. Fuck your “annoyance” argument, Nazis are deadly threats, I don’t give a fuck of incels hurt your pussy feelings.
>>295751 You’re extremely lib if you think the anti Idpol fevor on here is anything but butt hurt about the Idpol the board implicitly believes.
>>295777 >Nazis are deadly threats Not on an imageboard they aren't lol. And people become nazis in part because of the rhetoric. Bashing the fash isn't the only arena where you can oppose them. If you actually give a shit about fighting Nazis and it's not just performative for you maybe you shouldn't write off a method of opposing and deradicalizing them.
>>295764 (me) and oh, don't forget this implicitly pits them as complicit allies with incels, openly reactionary people who have subverted public opinion on /leftypol/ by poll rigging and have raided numerous threads, like some kind of cursed devil's bargain between retarded "anti-authoritarians" and reactionaries.
>>295776 >>295775 >No arguments mmmmmm give me more of that NEET salt.
>>295781 I'm starting to suspect that it is our resident incels who are whining about the idpol bans ITT.
>>295779 like what. be very specific.
>>295785 >starting that's basically all they have done for like 5 months now. and now sage plays the role as the Trotsky to their endless reactionaryism and revisionism.
>>295785 you would be correct. This thread is always cancer it's hilarious.
>>295785 >I have no arguments so let me gossip about my opponent like an old hen. Everytime
>>295790 I usually don't pay attention to the incels and I've had sage filtered for a while, so I'm a bit slow on the uptake. But it all makes sense now.
>>295785 That's just like your opinion, man
>>295780 >Not on an imageboard they aren't lol. I think the several mass murders from /pol/ debunk that argument. Any way the fact that you can’t remember that shows how much fash sympathy is on this board. >And people become nazis in part because of the rhetoric. Yeah, no shit, which is why they should be banned. >Bashing the fash isn't the only arena where you can oppose them. Nobody but you dick head recovering “anti Idpol” Nazis read any of that “debating”. But letting Nazis on this board at all it legitimizes their message. Nazism has been throughly discredited among workers. There’s no need to “debate” Nazis. And deconstruction of Nazism can be done better, more succinctly and clearer without them participating. The fact that this board loves to debating them so much is just insecurity of their own communist convictions.
>>295764 Please don't lump sage in with the incels, he's a little bit annoying but not that annoying. >>295785 >starting are you new to this thread? >>295796 As far as I know there are only two problematic ones And please don't reply to them, it's not worth it
>>295810 >I think the several mass murders from /pol/ debunk that argument all of them bar like 1 were also incels lmao
>>295816 Yes, we should exterminate all incels, that's a very non-nazi thing to do.
>>295820 ideologically incels yes, because they are a reactionary like any other. but not everyone who doesn't have sex turns into a sex nazi.
fuck actually, that's a p funny word. can we filter incel into sex nazi?
>>295816 please don't reply to him, it's not worth it. You won't convince him. >>295828 seconded
>>295828 thirded
>>295823 >t. non-nazi
>>295785 The people trying to trojan horse liberal idpol and speech codes is also a problem. >>295810 >I think the several mass murders from /pol/ debunk that argument. Those people would be on /pol/ regardless of what is allowed here. Banning them at any sign of nazism is part of why they flee to echo chambers and consolidate like that. >the fact that you can’t remember that I do remember that, but a nazi echo chamber isn't the same as dunking on nazis when they show up here instead of banning them. >fash sympathy is on this board. Yeah, see the above part of the reply about liberalism. >Yeah, no shit, which is why they should be banned. That's been the standard approach of society at large and it hasn't done shit to combat them you dumb fuck. >But letting Nazis on this board at all it legitimizes their message. No it doesn't lol. >Nazism has been throughly discredited among workers. Obviously it hasn't if they're such a problem, huh? >The fact that this board loves to debating them so much is just insecurity of their own communist convictions. whoa the projection No, what betrays insecurity is not being willing to pit your ideology against an opponent because you're afraid your ideology isn't good enough to win. >>295831 >please don't reply to him, it's not worth it. I think there are arguments that need to be made here tbh. If concern trolls and consensus crackers go unanswered they are more effective than if you argue against them. That's point is actually central to the argument they're making.
>>295844 They don't care about your arguments no matter how reasonable they might be.
>>295828 >>295831 >>295835 >sex nazi pretty good
>>295852 It's not about them. It's about everybody else - you and me and the lurkers. It's like how advertising works. The more exposure the idea gets the more prominent it is in people's heads. Even if you disagree with it, if you see an idea more you are more likely to think of it and think it's reasonable (availability heuristic). It's also part of the whole "what do we allow?" question. It's not about convincing the opponent, but displaying the argument for people to see.
>everything I don't like is a nazi where have I heard this already? Hmmmmm...
>>295844 >The people trying to trojan horse liberal idpol and speech codes is also a problem. You probably haven't noticed this, but there are two problemetic incels in this thread. You have the incel poster who calls everyone who disagrees with him a liberal feminist. Than you have the incel poster who calls everyone racist, complains about booboo words and calls feminism a hate movement.
>>295863 I don't keep up with everything posted ITT but that makes sense. I guess if people don't fall for bullshit the bullshit has to evolve. Kind of seems like an attempt at building a coalition.
>>295716 I like the idea of making debunking memes but you can’t just go “aha look my meme” and then expect people to consider it debunked >>295719 A race general I imagine would be fairly slow anyway people don’t really seem to care anymore, the right who come here talk more about transexuals than about IQ and the bell curve and shit these days. So it’s not like they are all going to the front page. Also as has been suggested they could be bumplocked automatically then cycled to the top when it gets to the bottom. Also you could just hide those threads. You don’t have to read them. >>295727 We don’t ban talk of capitalism even though we are anti capitalist. You need to analyse the things you don’t like. It’s not like we have proper radlibs here ever anyway, even out radlibs aren’t as radlib as real radlibs. >>295728 No they didn’t. They started leaking mostly when provoked. >>295738 >deconstructing idpol is anti idpol 100% this >>295751 They would be if it wasn’t just an incel fest >>295764 Oh shit he said he is right checkmate >>295780 Exactly it’s this whole radlib “I’m not here to educate you sweetie” attitude that is exactly what the board is supposed to be against. >>295781 1) prove the polls were rigged 2) sage is not anti authoritarian he’s a Maoist. 3) this is obviously a smear to try and lump him in with the incels when that is clearly not what he is about >>295785 And there is is again “everyone I don’t like is an incel” >>295790 He’s a Maoist not a trot
>>295863 >You probably haven't noticed this, but there are two problemetic incels in this thread. Make it at least three. I'm a conscioust inceltarian, and I'm not them.
>>295820 >They’re incels because I said so. Cope This is liberal cope du jour. Nazis are usually propertied, and people that have money usually get pussy. How the fuck was Trabant an incel. And other than that he was unattractive, you’ve got evidence The Charlottesville one was an incel. Goddamn it’s like talking to children that believe the bad guys are somehow dumb and incompetent. And Nazis take the lives of 1000+ people every year. All incels as well? You don’t think any of those murderers post in 4chan even though it’s been long established that 4chan’s /pol/ is a proxy of Nazi orgs like Stormfront. There’s people on 4chan actively trying to push the Nazis out of /pol/. But a communist board laughable lets them in. But not incels, who are disgruntled workers, because they’re annoying. But letting killers speak their piece is fine.
>>295871 >I like the idea of making debunking memes but you can’t just go “aha look my meme” and then expect people to consider it debunked No but you can bumplock the thread so the debunk stays visible and unlock it if it stops being a shit thread. Also the "everyone who disagrees with me is an incel" is getting just about as tiresome as the incels themselves.
>>295844 >Nazism has been throughly discredited among workers. >Obviously it hasn't if they're such a problem, huh? Nice strawman, which is what all your arguments are. I never said Nazis weren’t a problem, just that their ideology completely discredited among worker. Nazis are terrorist, how many terrorists does it take to wreak havoc on a larger population? Not many.
>>295876 >and people that have money usually get puss most of their ideology is based on a sexual pathology around apprehension around women due to how alienated they were from them, which is also why there was so much homoeroticism. nazis were basically the precursors to incels when it came to their sexualization of politics.
>>295886 >most of their ideology is based on a sexual pathology around apprehension around women due to how alienated they were from them, No it’s not, it’s white supremacy. Just more lame attempts to connect Nazis to Incels, but not racists like you lol.
>>295876 *you’ve got no evidence
>>295889 >No it’s not, it’s white supremacy Nazis are specifically not white supremacists, they are Aryan supremacists, which itself was more of a front for the German supremacism to begin with. but that doesn't preclude them from having the sexual politics either, which they had in spades. hell, even their ideological figures like Evola believed that sexual degeneracy was something that should only be enjoyed by the elite party members because the average person couldn't handle it, which is how current nazis justify all their weird fetishes.
>>295874 That probably just means that your either not that annoying or not that noticeable.
>>295907 Yeah, it's most the two aforementioned incels that are the main problem.
>>295902 Modern Neo Nazis are white supremacists. Full fucking stop, and other right wing fash like the KKK don’t have the history you outline. Fuck of crypto fash. Well actually maybe I should since this board just kisses the ass of fash and demands nuance when talking about them, but literally any other Idpol group gets banned and censored.
>>295907 No, I just get confused with incelposter a lot.
>>295914 >Modern Neo Nazis are white supremacists. Full fucking stop, and other right wing fash like the KKK don’t have the history you outline. Only nominally, they still make a lot of divinations about what is and isn't white, all while being hilariously nonwhite themselves. The KKK, likewise, were anti-Italian and anti-Irish too - fascism is inherently self-divisory and the more it gets into power, the more groups it will have to exclude from the in-group to use as scapegoats for their irreconcilable political contradictions and the inherent contradictions of capitalism. >kisses the ass of fash and demands nuance when talking about them, but literally any other Idpol group gets banned and censored. There was a period of nuance over incels, but that period is over. They could have bent the knee, but they didn't, and their continued presence was not wanted, so they were banned. The same is true of any nazi, or KKK member, or whatever wanders in.
>>295885 Nazis aren't invaders from another dimension. They're disgruntled workers who lack class consciousness and substitute race theory.
>>295914 >Well actually maybe I should since this board just kisses the ass of fash and demands nuance when talking about them, but literally any other Idpol group gets banned and censored. Nobody is kissing their ass. Any kind of idpoler will get disagreed with and banned if they make themselves a problem. Analyzing the basis for an idpol ideology =/= kissing their ass.
>>295965 Neither should be banned just bullied. This is a Nazi and Radlib bullying centre
>mods ban sage >thread explodes into disarray Lol mods how is that’s policy turning out for you?
>>296007 There's a threshold where they should be banned if they're disruptive enough.
>>296012 how is it any worse than it was before lol
nazi idpol thread >>295448
TBH this board isn't so bad in terms of idpol. Collectively from all threads, /leftypol/ doesn't have 1/2 the cringe radical liberalism and idpol apologism that >>>/GET/ possesses in just 1 thread
>>295717 We need a new booru
>>296012 They've banned sageposting but not sage. Half-measures
>>296027 >/leftypol/ doesn't have 1/2 the cringe radical liberalism and idpol apologism that >>>/GET/ possesses in just 1 thread That wouldn't have been the case if we still had the idpol gulag
>>296027 did you get assblasted over nobody agreeing with a reactionary stance lmao
>>296098 What? How? I just pointed out that /leftypol/ has very little idpol compared to >>>/GET/. How does that have anything to do with reactionary stances? >>296085 Idpol GULAG reduced and concentrated idpol in /leftypol/ into 1 shitty thread that anyone with intelligence ignored or scrolled through to laugh at all the nazi incels and SJW virtue-signaling faggots bitching at one another like starved piranhas in a barrel.
>>296147 99% of crossposting references of /GET/ here or /leftypol/ there is just to complain about one or the other after getting rebuffed
>>296147 >What? How? I just pointed out that /leftypol/ has very little idpol compared to >>>/GET/. How does that have anything to do with reactionary stances? He probably thought that you were this guy >>>/GET/54226 >>>/GET/54240
>>296152 Source: your ass
>>296147 I thought GET was made up by guys who crossdressed and fapped together and their roleplaying. I don't see the perceived idpol here.
>>296152 /GET/ is radlib central /leftypol/ is next
>>296154 He's not exactly wrong per se, but I'm not that poster. I have a fluctuating IP though, and its actually happened that I've somehow had the same IP ID as someone else. Happened on /leftyb/ and /leftypol/ a few times leading to accidental (you)s not directed to me there.
>sage poster makes a boulder from a pebble >incels reee >people reee >mods reee every week
>>296157 IDC much about >>>/GET/ but they are big about trans and traps and collectively disagree with any perceived anti-trans talk, even if it is a valid criticism as I learned long ago and therefore I only visit the board for esoteric threads that frankly belong on /hobby/ more than /GET/
>>296167 Forgot >actual moderation suggestions and problems get ignored Otherwise pretty accurate. I laughed hard.
>>296170 What threads are you referring to?
>>296176 Threads like the Photo color thread for historical images.
>>295828 >filter incel into sex nazi or pussy police
>>296051 Fuck off sage is right
>>296244 Fuck off, sagefag
>>296244 No have you ever met a tripfag that wasn't cancer? Thought so
>>296247 I’m not sage Fuck off mod shill
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>>296250 Why can't you just act normal? This thread is about moderation, not whatever personality disorder you have. >>292896 >>292896 >>292896 >>292896 >>292896
>>296258 >Why can't you just act normal? This thread is about moderation, not whatever personality disorder you have. Why can't you make a counter argument instead resorting to ad hominem attacks.
>>295962 >Nazis aren't invaders from another dimension. They're disgruntled workers who lack class consciousness and substitute race theory. <Defending the attack dogs of the booj because they have to work too ;_; t. Nazi
>>295926 >Modern Neo Nazis are white supremacists. Full fucking stop, and other right wing fash like the KKK don’t have the history you outline. >Only nominally No pretty sure all those Nazi rallies we've had since Trump's election were for white people. >they still make a lot of divinations about what is and isn't white, That have very well defined idea of what white is that includes a lot of people already. >The KKK, likewise, were anti-Italian and anti-Irish too No where to the degree that they were anti black. Keep reaching fash apologist . > fascism is inherently self-divisory and the more it gets into power, the more groups it will have to exclude from the in-group to use as scapegoats for their irreconcilable political contradictions and the inherent Source: Your ass. >There was a period of nuance over incels, Either ban idpol, or don't. But this shit where you ban incels because of Idpol but let racists say "nigger" and plaform Nazis is really just "Idpol I don't like". > but that period is over. It never began, people like you endlessly bitched about the idpol gulag, and mods allowed it to turn it into a shit show just so they could have a justification to nuke it. Something they've done with every thread that offends them. >They could have bent the knee, but they didn't, So basically they had to go because they didn't agree with you. >The same is true of any nazi, or KKK member, or whatever wanders in. No clearly their presence is welcome since you'll allow sever threads to go on debating them and allow them to call everyone "nigger".
>>296298 >No pretty sure all those Nazi rallies we've had since Trump's election were for white people. "white people" as in whoever is the in-group, because "white people" as an identifier is meaningless, just like "western". >That have very well defined idea of what white is that includes a lot of people already. No they fucking don't, they disagree on what whiteness is on a constant basis. >No where to the degree that they were anti black. Keep reaching fash apologist . Firstly, they pretty well fucking did, especially coupled with their anti-catholicism. Secondly, this isn't even apologism you cum-for-brains. >Source: Your ass. All fascist political movements across history has had large scale and constant internal purges of groups that were once considered of the fascist in-group but were constantly pushed into the peripheries until their elimination could be justified. It's just historical fact, from the Falange killing off the Carlists, the Nazis with the Strasserists, so on and so forth. >Either ban idpol, or don't. But this shit where you ban incels because of Idpol but let racists say "nigger" and plaform Nazis is really just "Idpol I don't like". Or, don't listen to you cause your arguments are nonsensical? >It never began, people like you endlessly bitched about the idpol gulag, and mods allowed it to turn it into a shit show just so they could have a justification to nuke it. Something they've done with every thread that offends them. There was a period of trying to bring the incels over to leftism, cause I remember being a part of it. For the most part they just called us sex pests and raided other threads. No real loss, imho. >So basically they had to go because they didn't agree with you. More broadly cause they weren't leftist. But yes. >No clearly their presence is welcome since you'll allow sever threads to go on debating them and allow them to call everyone "nigger". A reactionary in training to become a leftist saying nigger isn't as much of a concern because they are undergoing the process of becoming a lefty that doesn't opt for such language in time via appropriate socialization.
also there is the meme arrow spammer in uspg again mods
>>296355 your arguments are as hollow as your brain you fucking moron
>>296366 no just inconvenienced for like, a fourth of a second every now and again
>>296325 we could use a linebreak/newline/whatever limit. There's only so many of those you ever need.
>>296382 This is the best idea I've heard in months.
>>296382 tbh we should also have minimum characters per line, maybe like 5 or so characters per line.
>>296449 That would make double spacing between paragraphs not work.
>>296474 >reddit spacing good point though
>>296505 >reddit spacing It's not just reddit spacing, if you write a long paragraph it's easier to read if you double space. Redditspacing puts the space between every line, like the greentext quote and the link to the post.
>>296258 I’m literally not sage. If you let him post with the trip we wouldn’t have this confusion
>>296382 >literal grammar nazis jesus christ is this how far we have sunk? Not only can you not handle opposing opinions you also need to have everyone in the safe space format your preferred way too?
>>296582 It's about spam you mong. But you should go back to reddit anyway.
>>296577 Or just don't be a retard and try and identify people on an anonymous imageboard.
>>296588 >muuuuh reddit again with the ad hominem but nonetheless your realise reddit is the place with the heavy moderation and here is the place with the lose moderation and that is why here is good and that is where reddit it bad. (among other things, the like button for example) >It's about spam you mong plenty of people funpost by typing in stupid ways, particularly in the big fast shitposting threads like US election night ones and such. You are cutting off bants
>>296615 For God's sake, I am not talking about newfag's empty blathering but actual spam comprised of thousands of lines, which is what happened. Get a hold of yourself, redditfag.
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https://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=10919# reminder that A) We need a new booru B) rightwing shitposters are lurking here and on leftybooru
>>297054 >Ford implements a socialist and pro-labor policy >it's hugely successful <take that, commies! Ebin
>>297092 I'll try to add the leftbooru css to this one. Not sure if it's worth mass importing the images, they really really need tags, otherwise it becomes kind of useless.
>>297090 You think right wingers will ever psyche themselves into thinking that communism is good as long as it's not called communism?
Hey mods I think this is a /pol/ false flag >>297240 Can you do something about it
>>297090 >a socialist and pro-labor policy Socialist? No Pro-labour? Yes
hey mods, the vidoe games thread is getting derailed by some troll claiming he is russian programist or some shit >>297674
>>298229 aww shit, seems the thread has been very derailed.
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WHY WAS THE VIDEO GAMES UNDER COMMUNISM THREAD BUMPLOCKED? because commies have no arguments and so their anuses reached 10000 degrees Celsius temperature and ignited in a big butthurt BANG!
>>298438 The thread was no longer about videogames. It was about a russian mentally ill (more than usual) libertarian.
>>298454 thread is about art in communism it got slightly derailed with russkie tankies getting all butthurt and screeching about their local nemesis or whatever nothing that would warrant a bumplock
>>298477 seemed like 90% posts about that shit, 10% posts about there not being any creativity in communists countries. I think a more fruitful discussion could develop if someone makes a new thread. What do you think?
>>298229 >>298438 I'd prefer we don't bumplock interesting discussions just because a minority of posters are trolling. Can vols cut this shit out please?
>>298527 It's an improvement on deleting the threads outright. Hopefully we can see continued improvement.
>>298438 Mods you make us look silly when you do this
Delete this filth >>299330
I honestly have not much hope for the sucdem thread >>286651 Liberals are leaking on every other threads too, is this "containment" policy fully assumed? Soon this board will become a Democrat circlejerk like cth.
>>299540 Give exmaples of "liberals leaking" please
>>299717 Just look at regular threads like DPRK
hey mods can you maybe eleborate your reasoning why he got banned. >>>/gulag/4241
idiots out in force tonight
mods please delete the CP
>>303603 thank you caballo
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There isn't a place to discuss US politics in a "slow" fashion. The US pol thread is very fast, which is good, but it leaves out places to discuss US topics in a longer form fashion. Happy to get some input, suggestions, etc here, is this even something people care about?
>>304438 The point of the US election containement thread was to draw sucdems into reading more theory when Sanders inevitably fail, so I don't think splitting the thread is a good idea, instead theory discussion should be encouraged there instead of letting the thread become a circlejerk.
>>304438 Personally, I believe that we should allow the US pol thread to leak. But if it drags the quality of the board down in a noticeable way it should maybe be considered to make a temporary /USpol/ board for the presidential elections
>>304475 There has been a noticiable liberal influx for the last few months, but it's still manageable. >make a temporary /USpol/ board for the presidential elections Why a full board? Just keep it to one thread and remove the pointless leaks.
>>304486 >Why a full board? Just keep it to one thread and remove the pointless leaks. It had around 500 posts within the last 12 hours. If something interesting happened there is a good chance that you miss it if you weren't there at the moment.
>>304493 >>304486 >>304475 >>304467 >>304438 Ok knee gas, I made this thread >>304503
>>304493 Just setup archives, and don't make the thread cyclical, that's not too hard. >>304506 If you do that, the old thread will just become a sucdem circlejerk like r/cth, the point is to get thoses people to change their mind, not to "contain" them in their own bubble, remember what happened to the idpol thread?
>>304506 I'm ok with this.
The old booru is admin-less. https://leftypol.booru.org
>>304513 Yeah, I'm feeling we're making the same mistake with the /USpol/ than we've already made with the /idpol/ thread. Liberals are as much of a menace for this board than /pol/tards are.
Do we really need to have three burger threads at the same time?
>>304493 this is the downside to putting such a huge topic in a general, these could all be several different good threads but they get scrunched into one shitty one. That thread could be split US politics general (the actual policies and such of the US), US election general(punditry and whatnot), a thread specifically making fun of buttichug, all kinds of fun stuff
>>305123 We don't need three different burger threads. One general should be enough.
>>305176 It isn't enough though as we see, these are the political events of the moment. People might want to talk about different aspects of them in slower format
>>305252 We really don't

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