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/leftybritpol/ Anonymous 02/01/2020 (Sat) 00:09:29 No. 242280
Break-away Edition Previous thread: >>227068
>>242280 Happy independence day!
>>242280 What is gonna happen to these morons now? Economic collapse and wide scale poverty?
>>242284 US is probably give some gibs in exchange for them being able to shove some chemically washed chicken down their throats.
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>>242287 >>242284 Being a politically conscious britbong is suffering.
>>242293 At least you get to eat chicken nuggies with your fellow obese, fascist friends.
>>242287 They're gonna love their us style unregulated neoliberal economy. I can't wait uwu
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>>242280 There is one good thing that comes out of the fact that Labour lost. They don't need to deal with the absolute shitshow that is about to ensue. Hopefully this will heighten the class contradictions more and lead to an awakening.
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>>242305 Labour losing the 2256 election was a blessing in disguise. The conservatives inability to stop the coming migration of the english channel will surely lose the intelligent dolphin vote. 2261 will be a landslide im telling ya.
>>242310 I don't think the lunar colonials will be to happy about it.
>>242320 Reminder that the solar union is a front organisation for belt mining conglomerates. Breaking from Luna is a necessary condition for revolution.
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>>242284 If it means middle class cunts get to suffer then I say bring it on.
>>242372 Unfortunately, the working class will suffer first. Look at the already worst-affected areas in the north of England for a good example of how things will unravel.
>>242378 They'll "suffer" first but they'll suffer least because they're already at the bottom, it will be the middle class who reaps the worst of the coming economic crisis.
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>>242334 lol, did you do this?
>>242310 This but unironically
>>242591 dank my brother.
>>242391 >the lowest strata will not suffer the worst in any disaster Does not compute.
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>>242391 >If you're already starving when a famine comes then famines aren't that bad!
>>242815 It is worse to be homeless than to be somewhat downwardly mobile.
>>242815 t. petit bourgois bullshit do any of you have experience of being truly poor? i have, fuck the middle class and anyone priviliged enough to enjoy watching them going from shopping at waitrose to asda when me and my friends will go from dumpster diving and foodbanks to pure starvation and homelessness
>>242280 I forgot breakaways existed - used to love them
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>what do you mean it was stupid and irresponsible for the left to give up Brexit to the right?!
>>242854 Booooring
>>242873 So did the Blairites reassure that the "remain" option was to be advocated to win the election? Was it Blairite pressure for remain?
>I supported Britain remaining in the undemocratic, capitalist and imperialist European Union but I'm a real socialist, honest! Down with it. https://thecommunists.org/2018/11/09/news/brexit-or-bust-down-with-the-imperialist-eu-bloc/
shitpost alternate history: britain votes remain 51/49 leavers are pissed, look for another anti-establishment channel. big ukip/bxp spike in the 2020 election splits the conservative vote more than labour's, while cameron underestimates labour under corbyn like may did in 2017 labour win.
>>242916 >labour win. If only. Can you imagine corbyn being PM?
>>242893 If your talking about adopting remain even after the ref result then yeah. If your talking about siding with remain during the ref, then it was Corbyn triangulating. He positioned himself as remain to win the labour leadership (he probably didn't need to with hindsight). Allot of the left went with him because holy shit we got Corbyn elected, best to stick together.
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>>243007 >That pic >Not using the British version
>>242873 Lmao it is not as if Lexiters and Labour Leavers had a plan to leave UK for everyone else to jump on board anyway.
>>242924 Kinda the same as usual but without the war mongering.
A lot of rightoids that I talk to say that UK has nowhere but up to go, but what the fuck is the UK even useful for?
>>243023 Well they have lost their financial status hub when leaving the EU so there is that... If anything they have peaked.
>>243023 They just want the empire back, anon. Thats why they support CANZUK.
>>243034 The article isn’t establishing a Lexit plan but arguing for Lexit (or at most that Corbynism can only be possible under Lexit)
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/joe-anderson-refuse-carry-out-17659928 >[Liverpool Mayor] Joe Anderson: I refuse to carry out any more government cuts RATE REBELLION 2: BREXIT BOOGALOO
>>243046 Is that even legal or possible?
>>243048 >legal No >Possible Oh fuck yeah
>>243046 RED MERSEYSIDE
>>243056 Which is only a portion of what I was. What is the endgame? How does Labour leave and with what conditions? What is the post-Brexit vision of UK and Labour?
>>243015 Hard to form an argument when the near entirety of our elected "representatives" are careerist fuckhead liberals, the media is either liberal or right wing and half the Labour party are shrieking radlibs.
>>243046 The fact that it's taken this long for Joe to do this should be setting off alarm bells. The point of much of the Tory cuts to council funding is to get voters to blame Labour council's for Tory policy. What Joe is doing is compelling the Tories to implement those policies themselves and reveal their hand. That he has waited until now to do so suggests he agreed with Tory policy; he could have done this ten years ago.
>>243485 All Labour councils should start doing it immediately tbqh, better late than never.
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>>243046 its sorta uncanny
>>243046 MILITANT 2: ILLEGAL BUDGET BOOGALOO
>>243488 Too bad most Labour councils are corrupt.
>>243023 Being Americas cumrag.
>>243672 Yeah, would be good if WPB focused solely on councils and doing illegal budgets. I think Galloway would like the attention from creating a national bruh moment.
>>243046 Big pnis
>>243023 Up my ass lmao
>>242307 >>242334 >>242591 You three are welcome
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So what if EU will buckle and give Johnson his BETA?
>>244487 He'd have one the election running on this platform.
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>scottish nationalism isn't based on hatred of England and fetishisation of the EU!!!!
>>244640 To be fair England is a shithole.
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>>244640 Just accept that the Scots don't like you very much and move on.
>>244652 England should nuke them
England's getting its ass kicked by the Frenchies.
>>244653 The Scots should carpetbomb Midlands.
>>244649 isnt football the true peoples sport???
>>244640 Craig Murray™ FOUNDER, SCOTTISH NATIONALISM
>>244656 What the fuck have we ever done to them you cunt
>>244649 Right wing rich cunt sport. No one who goes to see rugby union matches actually lives in the city the team is based in.
>>245724 And it's an anti-commercial sport with wage caps.
Proof that I'm a faggot without understanding of object permanence who spams threads with non working archive link: http://goat.se SAVE THIS LINK AND POST IT IN EVERY FUCKING THREAD UNTIL I GROW UP AND HAVE THE DECENCY TO ACT LIKE A RESPECTABLE HUMAN BEING
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Why the fuck is this the first time he's said this
>>242902 >Lenin hat has another shit opinion Yes, we should all be joyous that the people of bongistan are finally delivered from labor and trade regulations, and delivered into the hands of eager burgerland corporations. Neck urself
>>246717 Iirc he did in a TV interview quite a few k nths ago actually
>>246725 We should all be thanking you for your noble remai- People's Vote™ campaign, you're the ones that did the heavy lifting getting the Tories their majority afterall.
>>246717 I think he can’t really say partisan stuff like that as Speaker?
>>246732 Not even a bongcuck, but the reason why labor lost is because it decided to fence sit instead of picking a side. The EU, for all of its faults, had rules in place that stopped British bourgs from exploiting bong workers more than they already were. Zizek made this point in his interview with Michael Brooks. The British proletariat is in a more precarious position than its ever been now, epsecially since it looks like America is going to capitalize on this situation to exploit them as much as possible
>>246736 >Not even a bongcuck Thank god we have you to get us clueless locals up to speed then! Leaving under Labour was absolutely an option but liberals who had decided they were suddenly in love with the EU to be contrarian with Brexiters decided to shut the debate down and make it entirely about Good Liberal Remainers vs Bad Nationalist Brexiters. The stupid fuckers don't seem to register the fact that if Labour had won they could write the loss of rights into British law. Now they've lost both the EU, those rights, and the possibility of a Labour government and they will piss and moan and blame the left until Labour goes back to the centre and puts a neoliberal in charge, and it's entirely the fault of idealist leftists with zero foresight who were repeatedly told this is exactly what would happen by Lexiters (who the most pathetic of the EU faggots now blame for their shitty triangulation and defeat).
>>246743 Never said leaving under labor wasn't an option, faggot, only that the middling approach by labor is what sunk them. Arguably, they could have one simply by picking a side, but ultimately the idea that leave was the "pro labor" choice is horseshit, and you can't provide a substantive argument to prove otherwise
>>246750 Nobody believed it was a middling approach except swivel eyed Remainers who had deluded themselves with their own bullshit. Everybody with a modicum of lucidity knew it was to ratfuck their way back into the EU. Feel free to go look up what the seats that were lost at GE voted in the referendum for your substantive argument, since it's apparent leaving under Labour would have been better than what we're about to get, and that was always the two choices on the table after the referendum result.
>>246752 God you're fucking dense. The point is that the position didn't appeal to either remainers nor lexiters. Neither got inspired to get out to vote for labor, leading to the catastrophe that you poor fucks find yourself in. Stop acting like a troglodyte.
>>246757 You're repeating the most played out liberal cope and trying to convince me it's an insightful take I've not heard hundreds of times off every retard trying to shift the blame for making Labour lose. Labour would not have won if it had gone full Remain either, so which stance on the EU does that leave, smarty pants?
>>246759 >Labor would not have won if it had gone full remain either And what evidence do you have to support that? I guess Zizek is apparently a liberal now.
>>246761 90%+ of the target seats were Leave, 90%+ of seats lost were Leave. You keep mentioning Zizek, please don't tell me you're trying to be condescending after reading a single article.
>>246761 He always was a liberal.
>>246768 Based
>>246765 Fair point. I could say that the labor party could have made an actual case for remain that might have convinced people, because simply asking for a second referendum isnt really substantial in of itself, but that might be too speculative on my part. There was a good case for remain to be made that was never was made with earnest, but we can't know if that would have been effective enough. I still believe that remaining in the EU would have been better for you faggots, because relying on the US is just incredibly stupid, and the idea that Britain can somehow stand independently is simply delusional which is what i think most leavers believed. Even if labor did won on a leave basis, I don't see how it would have been possible to enshrine these regulations when faces with the inevitable reliance on the US they would have faced anyways. There's no way the US would ever agree to those protections in a trade deal. You guys might have just been fucked either way
>>246768 >>246769 Meme tier opinions
>>246761 You're either a fed or a complete moron. If you haven't learned this by now there's no hope for you. Fuck off
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>>246770 I think relying on the US is smarter than staying on the sinking EU Titanic but that's just me, another burgerlander.
>>246774 >hey guys, how did donald trump win the election again even tho he didun win no popular vote???? This is how retarded you sound. We are not going to explain what happened over and over and over again.
>>246770 I'm not completely convinced we couldn't have just ignored EU regulations and paid their pathetic fines like other countries do (it's often about things like migrants and not economic policy though), but ultimately it was a matter of having the right stance to win in the target seats and hold the marginals, no amount of arguing or making the case for remain was going to change anyone's mind after years of liberal and nationalist sperging. Ultimately it's the liberals wot lost it. Liberals all seem to be mentally diseased with Clintonism - muh popular vote, muh cities stacked with votes, muh moral argument etc. It's not about votes it's about seats and the idiots never seem to grasp what political system we live under despite their fetishisation of institutions. >Even if labor did won on a leave basis, I don't see how it would have been possible to enshrine these regulations when faces with the inevitable reliance on the US they would have faced anyways. I doubt Corbyn would have jumped into bed with the US. As a Bennite he probably would have just maintained alignment with the EU and slowly worked towards autarky, much to quite literally everyone's butthurt.
>>246784 Still not an argument. Stay mad >>246783 Europe is still infinitely better than burgerland in terms of living conditions, labor rights etc. We literally have shit in our meat m8. I guess bongs get to enjoy the taste of freedom™ like the rest of us
>>246792 Ironically what you are saying isn't an argument to defend your moronic questions
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He knew all along. They were going to rig the second referendum with 16yo and EU citizen votes. Either someone has kompromat on him, he's for some reason become a right winger, or he's always been a lying psychopath. Second pic is what he masturbates to every night btw.
>>246792 Burgerland is better than Europe terms of living conditions. I have looked into this. The idea that they have it better is largely a fantasy even in the few EU nations that aren't dirt poor. They may get free shit from the government but their workers also earn like 50% less in real income, that's huge when you factor it into a lifetime of wageslavery. The difference in income is so big it's actually better to be in the US even with the absurdly high education and healthcare costs. And I'm not talking about IT or bank manager salaries, this applies to normal service sector work.
>>246804 It's better in the EU for the educated class because they have their privilege paid for by the uneducated through regressive high VAT.
>>246804 >>246805 >Burgerland is still better than Europe in terms of living conditions Do you have a single fact to back that up?
https://youtu.be/ynW5jkogMCM If anyone here hasn't seen the work of Dr Bob Gill then get yourself educated urgently. We need people to spread this message before it's too late
>>245724 Rugby is working class in Wales.
>>247445 In areas of Scotland too.
>>247445 >>247457 Football is 1 million times better. >MUH FALLING OVER
>>247542 Putting "muh" in front of something doesn't make is not a valid argument anon.
>>247551 Yeah but it's good apart from all the diving cunts and ultracapitalism
Can bongs please explain to me what the fuck is Boris doing right now? As I understand he put out a bunch of really hardline requests from Europe while stating that if they are not sorted out in 11 months he'll just do hard brexit. Is he trying to bluff or does he seriously want a hard brexit? Wouldn't this completely ruin his main selling point in elections of getting brexit done smoothly and fast? Or is my countries media just overreacting to something that isn't that important?
>>247571 He's releasing terrorists to stab people and cause panic so they can introduce facial recognition technology nationwide. Also watch this >>246971 >Is he trying to bluff or does he seriously want a hard Brexit? They want Neoliberal trade deals with everyone. Why would they want anything else?
>>247571 He's pandering to his base and the ERG (a hardline anti-europe faction of the tories).
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>>246971 >1hr+ >playback disabled on other websites
>>247612 Alright, retard.
>>247542 I prefer football but rugby but the conception that rugby is posh is a very English idea.
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Gweriniaeth Ffederal Sosialaidd Prydain
>>247911 Rugby Union is for cunts. Rugby League is alright
>>247932 my dick anon
>>247932 noice
Lads since the chartist republican flag is literally Hungary I've been thinking of a british (or, to appease to separatists, more of a socialist confederation) republican flag that consists of the three main colours of Britain, that being Red, for England, Blue, for Scotland, and Green for Ireland. I don't know what order they would go in, or what shade.
>>247807 What's retarded is having 80% of your videos over an hour long or under a minute long.
>>247942 You aren't supposed to adjust shades the colours are all very specific. That said, darker shades are underrated.
>>247911 Back in my school it was all the posh kids who did rugby. Maybe it depends where you are though.
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>>247961 this hurts my eyes anon, maybe swap the colours around and make them darker then add a hammer and sickle or something
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This is the new flag sorry lads.
>>247987 you know this isn't that bad, I could see the tricolour on its own being used
>>247942 yeah man what the fuck is wales
>>248011 wouldn't that go under green?
>>248015 Red. The dragon is red and the green and white come from the Tudors.
>>248179 ew well in that case, flag finished enjoy your flag or whatever
>>248179 Every country in the UK should get its own flag, just so Wales can have a badass communist dragon.
>>248186 but anon...
>>247946 What's retarded is not having the attention span to watch a video about a complex but terrifying conspiracy and expecting others to not think you're a cretin.
>>247942 That isn't how the color wheel works. The chartist flag is really shit because it includes Ireland tbh.
>>248231 It's absurd to try to use the chartist flag for a new socialist republic anyway
>>248254 its good for protests I guess
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>>248211 m8 you can explain why Germany lost WW2 in an hour, sorry for not buying that actually the majority of the time in the video is well spent. The sound quality sounds like it was recorded through the hull of a fucking submarine (there's a microphone in front of them, use the sound input from the microphone don't record the audio from the fucking room with a camera). It takes 8 minutes just to introduce the speaker, who is even harder to hear than the person that gave him the stage. It takes 13 minutes to get to the first bit of what you're telling me to pay attention to. 16/17 minutes in and this is the visuals and again >site embedding disabled Sort your media arm out you retard and stop accusing anyone of not wanting to spend over an hour trying to listen to a hall meeting through a tin can of being lazy, you're the lazy fuckers for pumping out barely intelligible propaganda and you're retarded for thinking it's actually the burden of everyone else to decipher it. If you want to be effective what you need is the meat of the argument, as public speaking doesn't immediately translate into a good video even with good sound quality and better editing. Release docs for people that would prefer reading. For the video get someone who has dabbled in the creative suites (almost anyone that has done any type of digital art) to pirate the Adobe video software (forgot its name) and Illustrator/PS and you can condense it into a vastly shorter video that has potential to go viral. Or just carry on with the 2009 style media approach and blame the dumbasses for not consuming your propaganda, whatever.
>>248520 I'm not from them you schizo
>>248254 What else would you use?
>>248528 Epic reply faggot, have fun pissing yourself over people not listening to some guy drone on because you're too retarded to type up your own posts then.
>>248549 You have severe autism
>>248555 Keep going, at this rate you'll string two sentences together.
most based man alive
>>248735 You're not wrong.
>>248735 Does he still troll twitter? Riling up Americans was a great bit.
>>248735 he supported an irish socialist org so you're not wrong fucker is piss-your-pants tier funny too
>>248735 Honk if Thatcher is deid
>>242873 >anglo genes
lads my opinion of the CPGB-ML have changed a bit, I kinda like them now. I'm still a bit dubious of the whole family involvement however.
>>255690 Why not just go with WPGB?
>>255772 Isn't it a little too early yet? Their ideals are sound and all, but they haven't really done anything of note to my knowledge.
>>255776 I normally shit on the eternal cycle/splintering of new orgs but it looks like its got some momentum behind it. I don't think if you turned up to the much older orgs that haven't done much themselves and seem trapped in stagnation you'll be meeting people as enthusiastic about it as the WP guys, many of them dragged in from recent Labour campaigning and organising.
>>255690 What changed to make you like 'em?
>>255786 Also, based Galloway.
>>255796 Yeah the most obvious benefit of supporting WPGB is you get to see Galloway roast the retards in the media constantly. There's a solid 0% chance he will ever cuck out to their demands.
>>255790 I don't mind Assad as much.
Legit want to strangle some sense into the yanks who get a helping hand from someone in the media and declare it a grift or whatever. These stupid fuckers don't realise the media could close ranks tomorrow if their bosses pressed the issue and they'd be shut out forever, just like what happened to us for years before we even got as close as them. Our media has been filled with nothing but state assets and actual grifting opportunists from the start and these clueless fuckers have managed to get people to come out and bat for them wholeheartedly on massive TV, journo and social media platforms and call out shady behaviour which has quite literally never happened for us, and they bitch because they want to seem lefter than thou. Irritating stuff. Never thought I'd say this but the Americans don't know how good they have it as far as the media is concerned. How has this happened? You look it up and half the American media are CIA, they're tied up in shady shit, they're all fucking too, probably. Just what the fuck has been going on with our media that we know this about theirs but we know nothing about ours? What are these greasy little shithead fuckers up to behind our backs, and why shouldn't they be lynched at the next tragedy they show their reptilian faces at?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-andrew-birthday-union-jack-flags-town-hall-viriginia-roberts-a9320941.html Lol they tried to fly a flag for the nonce prince. Trying to convince my the Cllrs from my CLP to fly a suffragette flag instead.
>>255690 I've been thinking about applying to join myself. They're easily one of the best communist parties in the Western world.
Something tells me that the UK/Tories will probably come out of this situation either very badly or manage to luck out. It's all intuition though.
>>255690 >>259492 Bruh they are a front group for a fucking family of petit-bourgeois carpet shop owners. At-least the trots have actually done something.
>>259500 This was basically the UK 1979-1982. Then the Argies attacked...
>>259556 technically engels was petite bourgeois
>>259834 Nah Engels was just straight-up bourgeoisie.
>>259834 >>259851 Engels was Engels
what was bob marley's political views?
>>259918 Im gonna take a wild guess and say he was probably against slavery. Could be wrong might need to read into it a bit so take that with a grain of salt
>>255690 I can still smell Farage on them. >>255772 Farage and also Izzat Ibraham al-Douri stink lingering >>259918 dude weed lmao
Does anyone have any sources for studying the various British social/communist and working class organized labor movements of the 20th century? I want to try and make a documentary covering that since I don't see a decent one on YouTube.
>>259918 My dad knew him, he used to play football in Battersea. He was anti capitalist but I don't think he was a commie or anything/
How’s BREXIT going lads? Non-Brit here.
>>261653 we have officially left, but we still have to wait a few years before we sort out trade and northern ireland etc.
>>261661 So not much has changed?
>>261668 no. Both the EU and the media are doing everything to slow down the process and make it look like a Fascist coup by right wingers instead of working class people who are sick of bureaucracy.
>>261674 >Both the EU and the media are doing everything to slow down the process Lmao, I get the EU has a part to play but what can the media do anyway? Sounds like leaver cope
>>261766 What are you a fucking liberal
Lads, opinions on the Revolutionary Communist Group (RCG)? It was founded i the 70's but its membership seems to be pretty youthful.
So now that Corbyn lost and Brexit happened, Labour has learned the error of their ways and are now working tirelessly to rebuild an organized social base among the English proletariat that can grant them political power, right? They're not just gonna clam up, lean rightward and keep in the same bureaucratic caste of party workers and MPs, r-right?
>>262463 Anon, labours dead. Its all fucked. As stated before the need to rally toward socialist groups again becomes quite clear now.
>>262406 they supported remain into the trash it goes
>>262478 Ah. Whats their stances now, though? They alright with it?
>>262463 British, not just English. And no. Labour is an imperialist social-democratic enemy of Britain's workers.
>>262495 >I am not myself a Leninist or Communist gone right off
>>262495 >I am not myself a Leninist or a communist Then what are you then?
>>262542 He's a "general" Socialist.
one day a song will be written called "Without the CPGB-ML There Would Be No New Britain" how does that make you feel?
What is the status of electoral reform in bongland? Are you even trying to break out of the two-party system? 2019 should be a clear wakeup call. You should have a much easier time at cleaning up your stupid system than us in America at least.
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Ladies and gentlemen... I'M GAY!
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>>264948 Reminds me of that bit in the Ricky Gervais show about celebrities who come out as gay whilst being most famous for being 'camp' and everyone has to act surprised.
>>263061 Will a based black guy sing it?
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>>265084 What black British singer is as based Robeson though?
>>265084 Can Brother Hao speak english?
>>265099 I heard he died?
>>263061 Cringe
>>246971 good lecture, thanks not too sure about the workers party. I hope they do well though
>>265096 Looks like he's about to smack a bitch
>>265112 >implying upholders of the immortal dialectic can perish
>>264542 Load of old Labourites resist it: both Blair it’s and Benninite.
BASED
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>>265754 He's always been a cunt. Novara type fake socialists
>>265757 Yes the real socialists are all writing for the guardian and are recurring guests on the BBC.
>>265758 Like Owen Jones
>>265792 Wait are you insulting Jones because I got the impression you were insulting Asa with you saying Novara instead of the graun.
>>265798 No I think asa is pretty great and was equating Owen Jones with novara media shitlibs
>>265804 Oh good haha, I was just about containing a big spergout over someone here of all places preferring Jones to Asa. I think it's safe to say at this point everyone with a recurring spot on the BBC deserves a bullet. EVEN DAVID ATTENBOROUGH!
>Islington North nominates Sir Stammer Jesus christ Labour members are idiots, wilfully welcoming right wingers back into the leadership
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>>266135 Friendship with Labour is finished Invisible Committee is my best friend now
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>starmer gets in on the voting bloc that cost us 2019 >sir fuckhead himself who lost us the election with his stupid fucking faction takes our place >The Crash coasts him into office >the opportunists and careerists who suffocated the socialist project are awarded the highest office in the land >blair 2 >thatcher 3 >total capitulation to the EU and NATO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'M GONNA FUCKING LOSE IT THESE FUCKERS HAVE DESTROYED IT ALL AND THEY ONLY GOT THE CHANCE BECAUSE CORBYN WAS AN IDEALISTIC FUCKHEAD WHO SOLD OUT ALL THE WRONG PRINCIPLES
>>266167 Let this be a lesson to you. Never trust succdems.
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>>266168 The problem is everyone that has ever appeared on broadcast television.
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>>266167 Starmer will never be elected, Labour are finished now. >>266168 I did give Corbyn the benefit of the doubt for far too long. He betrayed his own beliefs the moment he became leader by campaigning for remain. Allowed McDonnell to walk all over him who now claims that the EU isn't against socialism. If he had became PM he wouldn't have had the guts to fight off a very british coup. I guess it just shows you the futility of trying to use right wing parties to get into power while trying to placate everyone instead of being ruthlesss
>>266587 Some trot newspaper sellers from the SEP recently shouted at me that I was a right winger because I said I was anti EU, lmao
>>266644 All the more reason to read Stalin.
>>266666 I've only read his diamet pamphlet, where would you start for his other stuff?
>>266671 Cheers comrade >>266672 Yeah that's the one I've read but it's worth revisiting
Guys wait a second. Isn't the CPB class collaborationist? If thats true I might consider going CPGB-ML larp mode.
>>266829 CPB are confirmed soyboys
>>266865 Would it be better if I joined Red Youth?
>>266868 Join them all if want, but the Young Communists of Britain are my personal favorite. https://ycl.org.uk/
>>266927 how so?
>>266934 I like them because they are undoubtedly Marxist-Leninist and seem to have a lot of spirit.
>>266927 Went back to Manchester recently, saw a lot of their stuff there.
>>267051 how was it?
>>267167 Manchester? personal but good.
>>267217 I meant the ycl stuff
>>266868 You should buy a dog
>>267226 I already have a dog.
>>267230 Get another one Also pics
>>267220 Oh it was mostly agit pop posters and stickers. Ngl, their logo is aesthetic.
>>267250 its made by some guy on deviant art who I believe takes the piss out of the cpgb-ml
>>267254 tbh the guy needs to learn to use a fucking comma but apart from that it is based. Works v well in sticker format.
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I mean look at that, it is gorgeous. Only think I would say to the YCL is that maybe it needs a new logo, hammer and sickle is irrelevant to the needs of the modern worker and the Hammer and Dove thing is a nice, unique motif.
>>267250 >>267254 >>267261 >>267265 Sounds good for middle class larpers with too much time on their hands
>>267267 CPB have actual praxis tho.
>>267272 >>267267 So does Red Youth. They're identical.
how about this weather?
>>267298 the wind?
>>267274 >CPGB-ML <Praxis Pull the other one.
>>267316 They made a pretty good introduction video series to Marxist economics, go figure. https://youtu.be/euFkftau-1w
Is this the image of brexit Britain? What happened to all the bunting and flags?
>>267328 Dear God man we haven't even left its economic sphere yet.
>>267496 More stuff like this please!
>>267503 The CPGB did a shit ton of stuff during the war. Did you know if it wasn't for their organising, people probably wouldn't of been allowed to go into the tube system during the Blitz?
>>267507 That's a great fact (and great Commie ammo), can you back that up for posterity's sake?
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>>267516 Context?
>>267514 https://spartacus-educational.com/2WWblitz.htm shit tons of sources, entire section dedicated to their cause.
>>267518 Not him but I think in 1944 there was a tribute orchestra to the Soviet Union and I believe the composer was a British Communist who even named his new found symphonies after communist leaders (like Thallmann) https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205188836
>>267254 >its made by some guy on deviant art who I believe takes the piss out of the cpgb-ml Kek, got a link to the deviantart profile?
>Corbyn loses >Labour abandoned >10000 years of CPB vs CPGB-ML arguments
>>267931 Have fun with keir then
>>265819 It looks like Jones has officially chosen his path as Labour party insider and defender of racist apartheid, most of the responses to his disgusting tweet are negative
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With the talk of Scottish Indy back on top of the news north of the border could this lead to a free Cornwall?
>>269165 This is borderline Balkanisation now and the only basis for the idea is the fact that 1,000 years ago Cornwall was untouched by Anglo Saxon and Norman influence. Its borderline ethno-separatism.
>>269165 scotland is a large region with practically its own language. It's different enough from England that indepence is a reasonable goal to pursue for Scottish politicians. Cornwall on the other hand is smaller than Slovenia, thier language is dead, and basically most modern Cornish people are just slightly more depressed slightly more fish smelling brits who eat clams.
Imagine in an alternative universe.. >Five minutes after Jeremy Corbyn had been alerted to Ken Livingstone's alleged comments, Corbyn dusted off his Makarov pistol (a relic from the Soviet-era) and put the Labour Media Relation Defence League on alert that Livingstone is now a wanted man. >By 15:00 Corbyn had arrived at Tower Hill, at 15:10 an electric van pulls up next to him and Livingstone is thrown out onto the ground, still blindfolded and his limbs tied together >Corbyn asks if Livingstone has any last words >Livingstone replies: "Am I not entitled to a trial?" >Someone from the crowd that had gathered jeered "You had your trial when you decided to tweet about that dead Palestinian boy." >In the next instant, A bang cracks through the muggy London air, followed by wild cheers from the crowd before total silence ensues as the crowd disperses >The corpse who now can no longer be referred to by it's living name, is left for the crows. >When asked for a comment, the prominent Conservative MP Eton McOxford stated "Yes, well perhaps Mr Corbyn thinks this passes as an apology for the rampant bigotry in his party, but as any Conservative member will tell you, such bigotry can only reasonably be put down with a good old fashion hung-drawn-and-quartering of the accused. I hope in time Corbyn will gain some integrity and put his MPs and his members ahead of his own personal loyalties."
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>>269165 >wave of secessions >nationalist parties forced to unravel in face of achieving goal, turn leftward >new socialist celtic union >england left to rot under direct rule by singapore-on-thames
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>>264542 >>265358 Can you even do ballot referenda initiatives through signature gathering in bongland? Obviously the two ruling parties will never call a vote.
>>271188 YOU NOBLE DIGGERS ALL STAND UP NOW STAND UP NOW
>>271188 >Though this song is not commonly associated with organisations aligned to the principles of Marxism-Leninism and its derivatives, translated versions of it are sung by the Japanese Communist Party and Korean People's Army.
Black Burger here. Is the UK going to split or everyone is going head first into the ocean?
>>271224 Probably not.
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>>271210 1919 was the year the trouble all went down The Defence of the Realm Act was invoked by the Crown They imposed martial law upon old Limerick town And they made the local people foot the bill The local trades and workers council met for 12 long hours And said we will not recognise the British Army’s powers This city is the people’s, we reclaim it now as ours It ever was and shall be ever still We are the Limerick Soviet We answer only to the people’s plea We care no more for their martial law Than the British Army cares for you and me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM412X7KCXM the story he tells about Alistar Darling is absoloutely kek.
>>271235 why the fuck must every british socialist conference have one crying baby?
>>271241 People can't afford an au pair like you mr fancypants
>Long-Bailey says she'll ban all transphobes from Labour Explain to me how this won't be just as abused as the antisemitism angle?
>>262542 Bennite
>>269165 Is shite like this going to plague britpol threads forever? Cornwall would be the most right-wing seperatist state in western Europe lmao
>>271241 Socialists have kids too lmao Are you sure it isn’t a trot
>>273964 >the most right-wing seperatist state That would be Catalonia actually.
>>274351 How so?
>>273956 Call me paranoid or just high, but I swear I have seen this endless exaggeration cycle or link trading tactics before in a book called Trust Me, I'm Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator. Whereby things get more and more exaggerated and overreactions from more overreactions from a branch of Labour that is committed against transphobia. I think people have already set up the narrative that X will act a certain way and just find reasons to back that up. A lot of people seems to be basing off what they think Labour will or will not do rather what the actual campaign itself is doing or not. Kinda of like the previous DSA convention where even though someone trolled a right wing paper with a fake story, the people duped justified that it was similar to what they thought the DSA was all about rather than questioning why was their perception of DSA so selective and framed.
>>274361 Forgot pdf
>>273954 >>274016 Maybe like don't bring your babies to a fucking conference. This is like cinema etiquette.
>>274361 Either you or me are too high to understand what you're trying to say
Imagine if he had this attitude the whole time
Is there anything to be gained from british "poltiics" since Corbyn got kicked?
>>274815 Not really.
>>274798 >muh deportashunz Quick reminder the actual issue that matters is those nationalized into citizens, who exactly like British natives can not be deported for anything short of treason (i.e.: acts of war, terrorism, espionage, etc.), which over 100k/year (projected ~160k in 2019) and accelerating nonstop for decades have been granted. Nothing else matters on immigration policy to any significant degree, except for "how many per year will you bring in?".
>>275093 >which over 100k/year (projected ~160k in 2019) and accelerating nonstop for decades have been granted. We've got a johnny foreigner over here
Yuro here, lexit when? Will it take brits getting thoroughly cucked by burger porky for leftists to finally gain power?
>>275136 Corbyn was from the old-left an anomaly that really shouldn't have been in charge over blaritie gang. The idea of having a Britain out the EU with a leftist leader is just a pipe-dream. The most likely scenario is labour will kick some centrist donkey in a red rose through when everyone is sick of the tories; Tony Blair 2.0. The Brit public at large have been getting cucked by porkies forever, they love it. Bend over with a stiff-upper lip & think of Engerrrlund old chap.
>>275136 Yes. That and Lefties in Britain actually stepping up to the plate and offering a real alternative to all that shit by producing material gains for the working class in the short term and then a larger, policy-based drive towards actual revolution. So, not much different from anywhere else, in truth.
>>275167 >So, not much different from anywhere else, in truth. But theoretically brits now have better chances for a leftist turn without the global bougie forces shitting all over them, at least better than the irrelevant EU periphery where I'm from. Comparing GB to my country seems laughable tbh. Too bad your current government will use the exit for further neoliberalism. Just hope you don't totally become a burger colony.
>>275278 Oh how that would be sweet irony to be honest if GB becomes a col9ny for the burgers. I just laugh at this. But in seriousness though Britian needs help bad seems like labour died and thus Tories are being well tories
>>275162 >Corbyn was from the old-left an anomaly that really shouldn't have been in charge over blaritie gang. True, but if he'd deselected and replaced all the Blairites immediately back in 2015 (or AT LEAST following the 2017 election), he could've gotten a clean sweep of the party free of the sabotage that sank him.
>>275442 There wasn’t enough ground support for that. Most of the actual deselections attempts failed to remove those MPs. Ffs being a leader doesn’t magically mean being a dictator of a party.
I will admit it does make me laugh a bit seeing just how utterly bootyblasted the British Left has become as their SucDem messiah losing the election and literally going full “IT WAS HIS TURN” mode in terms of eating their own (Just see the shitfight in this very thread between the Pro/Anti-EU Crowds trying to show how the other side lost the election for them)
>>275545 >eating their own >muh unity You sound like a right wing politician. Yes pro EU people lost the election for Labour. Yes it was Corbyn's fault for being a pussy about everything. EU people are not "our own" as they are right wing. Fuck off retard
>>275513 >Most of the actual deselections attempts failed to remove those MPs. That's because trigger ballots actually make it more difficult to remove MPs. They chose to compromise on open selection and willfully backed away from it, Corbyn could have got it done if he actually cared enough.
>>275681 And risk a party implosion? If the ground support was really strong as you said then at least some MP would have been eliminated.
>>275685 So you haven't actually been to a trigger ballot meeting then
>>275093 This is all wrong. A lot of this deals with people who were born citizens (every victim of Windrush was inherently born a british citizen). be gone yank.
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>>274559 My bad, had some time to think and reread parts of the book. Basically the book talked about how media manipulators like him was able to scam and manipulate bloggers for maximum pageviews and clicks to push whatever agenda he wanted. This involved a variety of methods like exaggeration to the point of hysteria, manufacturing scandals by creating a narrative first and then find proof to fit said narrative. Evidence can be flimsy as fuck when you have some pictures and links coz no one follows the latter and takes the person's word for and has the narrative framed for it. The narrative that 'Leftists are weaker than right winger' is a classic victim of this link economy degrading the original message like a game of telephone. My observation is that almost 10 years later, the same hysteria and tactics have reached social media, except in different form. Like the original thing was a campaign created within Labour that pledged to "Support the expulsion from the Labour Party of those who express bigoted, transphobic views.". An extremely vague statement that needs a lot of clarification for sure, but led to a cascade of overreaction and hysteria. Sensationalist posts, twit and articles spread like wildfire with everyone being outraged at other people without any actual communication or clarification. Hence this anon >>274559 barely even gave any examples or quotes and literally just 2 lines. His post history is also really low effort too. This brings back to my tinfoil paranoia, what if just like the papers needed to fill the narrative that Labour is antisemitic, most if not all of the anti-idpol media was full of said media manipulators trying to fill the narrative of Labour is unwoke at whatever the cost? What if there is a group of people who either consciously or not want Labour to seem woke so that they don't have to support, but jeer from the side. If people are given clicks, pageviews, retweets, likes and upvotes for whining about how woke Labour is (and that is bad coz we don't like it), my worry is that this becomes a thirst for Labour to seem woke so that these people can act as martyrs (instead of idk working and staying within Labour to ensure that it keeps within the class struggle?)
>>275442 >>275681 >>275716 Ignorant amerishart here, can someone explain how the House of Commons/Labor Party's internal organization functions and the way in which this could have been used to replace right-wingers, in small words for my tiny burger brain?
>>276406 Open selection would be having primaries for every MP, so we could have replaced right wing carpetbaggers with left wing local people, but they settled on "trigger ballots" which is basically a recall petition to then have a primary but in the meetings the councillors etc basically berate people into keeping the MP because of muh unity and that kind of bollocks
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Can someone explain to me why this woman refers to herself as a "communist"?
>>277345 Because it's edgy, cool and post-ironic. All the cool kids are communist now, even the BBC talking heads.
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>>277345 Based shitposter
>>277345 >>277357 >>277358 How dare people have fun
>>277357 she claims to have read marx and studied politics, but she's really just a shitlib >>277516 >have fun with the zionist right-wing remainer who is partially responsible for labour's loss
>>277516 Thornberry is a retarded lib and Sarkar has walked back all her stupid muh unity takes now it's too late.
What an absolutely pathetic display. Fuck RLB and all of Labour tbh
>>277571 This is the power of having Lansman as your campaign manager.
Hey Burger here, which candidates do you all think is the best and which one do you think will win?
>>277590 None of them are good. Starmer the blairite will win.
>>277590 RLB is the least shitty on policy but is for all intents and purposes a Lansman puppet who will never stop cucking out to the media or whatever pressure groups they've weaponised on a given week. Burgeon is the only good candidate stance-wise out of both leader and deputy races. Starmer will probably win because the melts and EUfags love him and Rayner will win because centrists like her and Momentum backed her for reasons such as she's RLB's flatmate and Lansman owns it as a private company.
>>277596 Starmer isn't a blairite, he is an old-style social democrat. Not knowing the difference is important: the blairite wing of the party is, paradoxically, dead. They could have run three candidates for leadership (main names were Yvette Cooper, Dan Jarvis, and Philips). They ran one, Philips. She didn't make the threshold. THey are now having to cuck themselves behind Starmer, who even now they've lowkey started attack because he says shit like "yes we should stand on picket-lines". >>277573 Fucking kek. >>277598 >Burgon is good the guy is a fucking walking failson who can't speak for shit and is dim. if he is your best hope then just find a noose right now. >Rayner is bad How even? She wants to build a socialist education system, and is a proper working class woman. Not faux like Philips the real fucking deal.
>>277557 you must be great down the pub
>>277557 >zionist Lamo she was foreign sec when labour endorsed BDS, and she is hated by the neolibs for being an "Assadist".
>>277558 >muh unity one of her current things is shitting on a blairite staffer who last did shit when i was in primary school. God you lot don't use purity tests, you invent fucking perfect ideals in your head then can't handle deviation from it. There's reasons to shit on Novara, but them not upholding some imaginary mass line ain't one of them.
>>277602 >the guy is a fucking walking failson who can't speak for shit and is dim. Yes because Corbyn decided a laughable excuse for unity between 2015 and 2020 was more worthwhile than actually having a long term socialist presence in the Labour party. >if he is your best hope then just find a noose right now. Yes. >How even? She wants to build a socialist education system What the fuck even is a socialist education system? >a proper working class woman. Not faux like Philips the real fucking deal. Wowee! >>277606 Yes god forbid we shit on the person who has consistently pushed for defeat inducing stances who has then walked all of them back when it's too late. Who else do you want to defend? Want to get a valiant defence of Paul Mason in while you're at it?
>>277602 Here's my simple test for whether a labour MP is even remotely useful. Did they defy the whip and vote against the welfate bill back when Harman was being a retard and trying to chase the tories to the right? Corbyn -> Yes Long Bailey -> Yes Burgon -> Yes Starmer -> No Rayner -> No Nandy -> No
>>277611 Rayner got elected in 2015 she barely existed as someone at that point. Oh and Sadiq Khan voted against that bill and he is a hardcore fucking Blairite EU shill that wants to pander to tech giants. Some fucking great test you've got there anon well done. >>277610 >What the fuck even is a socialist education system? Ending the etonocracy, National Education Service, providing welfare for people like sin >Wowee! >"GUIS WE WANT TO BE A WORKING CLASS MOVEMENT" <Working class socialist comes along >"NO NOT HER THE GUYS THE POSHO THAT WENT TO CATHOLIC SCHOOL AND CAMBRIDGE" I mean his uncle was an MP for fuck's sake. He is a walking failson.
>>277610 >Yes god forbid we shit on the person who has consistently pushed for defeat inducing stances who has then walked all of them back when it's too late. Who else do you want to defend? Want to get a valiant defence of Paul Mason in while you're at it? Ah yes, it was Ash that forced the labour conference to vote for a second ref I see it now.
>>277617 She was only a capitlist shill when noone was looking! Now it's benefical to her career she's totally based guyz! Imagine defending some Sadiq Khan is to the left of. Christ.
>>242287 Marx approves of chlorinated chicken shitlib Just like he approves of chlorinated pre washed salad in a supermarket near you Beats the shit out of salmonella
>>242298 I thought fascists were anti-fatty Fit volk and all that jazz
>>242302 >us style unregulated neoliberal economy >actually believing the us economy is unregulated neoliberal It's corporatist and heavily regulated in many sectors - even after Trump's bonfire of the regs
>>277617 >Ending the etonocracy, National Education Service, providing welfare for people like sin So they were going to enforce the manifesto policies they were given. >"NO NOT HER THE GUYS THE POSHO THAT WENT TO CATHOLIC SCHOOL AND CAMBRIDGE" I supported Lavery, not my fault Labour is cucked to its eyeballs and for some reason totally devoid of working class socialist talent. >>277619 No you're right she only supported the IHRA and constantly pandered to her blue check friends, to later get cannibalised by both.
>>242305 There will be no shitshow It is the corporatist capitalist EU that is in trouble Put down the guardian koolaid comrade.It hasnt been credible since 2009 - and even that's being generous
>>242378 Yeh - labour was so good to them,upping their dole by 10%,a few call center jobs,millions of immigrants,covering up rape gangs, and best of all - educating them about correct language and cultural diversity
>>277638 >So they were going to enforce the manifesto policies they were given. Literally her fucking ideas you cretin. >>277625 >Sadiq Khan good <Rayner bad literally what you are saying right now what the fuck are you on? And if you think Rayner is a capitalist shill I want whatever teh fuck you are huffin.
>>277650 >Literally her fucking ideas you cretin. Alright fair enough. I'm just sceptical of people not in the socialist campaign group.
>>277650 The party is fucked and will remain so until the momentum cultist faggots are removed ie for the next 10-15 years Prepare for years in the wilderness The only hope for the left in the UK is the SDP or blue labour - but theyre all"fascists" and "white supremacists" now apparently No no - just keep listening to Owen and Ash - they have their fingers on the pulse of the working classes Christ - what a shitshow
>>277664 >sceptical of people not in the socialist campaign group Top kek - perfect line for a 70s sitcom You faggots have no self awareness whatsoever do ya
>>277666 >Blue Labour are good! <Paul "Don't mention palestine" Embery is good <LORDMaurice "Labour friends of israel" is good This is your brain on right-idpol.
>>277650 How about Khan bad, Rayner somehow inexplicable worse. I don't know how you've managed to equate working class with socialist. There's tory MP's who grew up council estates. The NES was absolutly not her idea, it was floated by Corbyn when he was running for leadership (oh look Rayner backed Burhnam lmao). She massively watered it down into pointlessness. From free at the point of use to "a variety of funding strategies will apply post-18". Could have been a cornerstone of labour policy if it was handed to someone worth a fuck.
>>277671 >Top kek - perfect line for a 70s sitcom >You faggots have no self awareness whatsoever do ya Says the man who has just exposed himself as a boomer.
>>277672 Who gives a fuck about Israel or Palestine quite frankly. It's nothing to do with us and we're powerless to do anything about it anyway. Perhaps you should concentrate on - oh I dunno - BRITISH politics and the working classes here faggot
>>277679 t. mossad
>>277678 Oh heaven forbid an age differential exists you derivative prick Gen X actually
>>277680 Kek >Anyone who doesnt want anything to do with the mid east shitshow is mossad guise This is your brain on lefty lib idpol
>>277687 If Israel didn't want people to be keenly interested in their autistic country they could have simply not sperged out for years over Corbyn.
>>277680 Yeh that was retarded as is the idiotic definition of antisemitism theyve forced down everyone's throat. But thats zios - it's what they do. The point is - I fail to see hoe fixating on a mid east ethno-religious conflict helps our own working classes in - you know - THIS country
>>277672 Perhaps our activists need to discuss muslims vs jews electric boogaloo in more depth to the northern voters. Maybe get Ash to talk about cultural sensitivity when mentioning rape gangs and such. Thatll win them over - surely
>>277705 We weren't fixated on it though, they've made themselves a point of contention domestically by acting like angry retards and suppressing the socialist movement. Corbyn was pro-Palestine, sure, but he's also a republican, and I've heard less about abolishing the monarchy under Corbyn's tenure as leader than I did in the preceding five years. If the royals had a massive arm flailing tantrum over Corbyn on full display for five years, we would be talking more about the monarchy.
>>277712 Yeah tbf, Northerners LOVE the Iraq war and us shilling for dictators in the ME. Go down to any pub in Rusholme and you'll find pictures of Al-Saud and Bibi hanging on the walls, with a "death to Saddam" banner too. You know the fucking worst part? You go to fucking Shankill, and you will see this bullshit: they have placards calling Campbell a war criminal.
>>277726 It's true. My local has a 10ft banner of Assad.
>>277723 Thats why its best to completely ignore the fucking issue - its none of our fking business and I'm past caring. Neither should you after the worst defeat since 1935 As for republican - being all pals with the provo IRA doesnt do us any favours either Corbyn is a twat who should be teaching in some 2nd grade poly where he wont do any damage
>>277726 Yeh - they also really like that kehinde fella telling them how whiteness is a psychosis and objection to asian rape gangs is just white privilege I just cant understand why they abandoned us - its a fking mystery
>>277740 You'll quite literally never have a preferred candidate then since any leadership candidate is bound to be asked questions on global politics by the media and the media can whine about whatever is said and make it as much of an issue as they want, and no matter what you answer to any question they'll keep asking questions until they find something they don't like. >>277753 Who the fuck is Kehinde?
>>277759 The half black birmingham "professor" who teaches african studies He's popping up regularly on daytime tv telling us about "dey ebil whyte man"
>>277769 They shipped one of these muh whiteness retards in from America recently to lecture on whiteness and white supremacy in Scotland too. Totally not a psyop btw. Cancel your TV license.
>>277759 >bound to be asked questions on global politics Thats when you give the typical vague bullshit politician answer >oh its very complicated Theyve been doing it for centuries on everything else - so why not this
>>277775 >Cancel your TV license. Jokes on you pal.Never had one :) >whiteness and white supremacy in Scotland This cancerous regressive shit is everywhere - not least the fucking labour party. Youd be forgiven for thinking they actually want a right wing reactionary back lash and race war. Wtf are they up to?
>>277775 There was some black twat doing an art dance piece in some Scottish museum a few years ago. Utterly retarded and insane - getting angry because no black faces in 18th century pictures in the gallery in FUCKING SCOTLAND Its painfully retarded
>>277777 A) Doing that is going to make everyone suspicious of giving you power in case you pull a Tony Blair, which could easily be worse than just having an opinion people don't like B) The media don't give a shit when you waffle on economics because the waffle is good for their financial position, they will absolutely go for the throat of socialists over anything I get Corbyn wasn't a particularly good candidate with all the baggage, but I don't remember him personally mentioning Israel-Palestine at all during his leadership, and it was Israel and their proxies making it a big thing in the media. It's not like this is what cost the election anyway so it just seems like a bizarre talking point when it's ultimately the second referendum policy that lost it. >>277781 I don't think at the moment Labour are particularly bad for it but I can absolutely see them going USA radlib tier over the next few years.
>>277809 >>277809 >I don't think at the moment Labour are particularly bad for it Have you seen uk twitter,momentum,Ash Sackface, Owen Jones and David fucking Lammy mate? Its completely infected their brains. And dont get me started on that Jess cunt and her 3rd wave muh patriarchy shit I'm old school left but I'm finding it harder and harder to care anymore The labour party looks like the lbbt-feminist-islamist alliance to me now and the rest - smug metropolitan twats
>>277826 You're probably in the majority not really caring much for the whining media talking head idiots, and I think most people just leave Lammy to his own devices. A lot of Momentum was alright but its central office has terminal brain rot, MCR Momentum was really good, but their chair has recently left so I don't know if it will continue to be. Jess is a spaz and everyone knows this. >I'm old school left but I'm finding it harder and harder to care anymore Lots of people have fucked off to WPGB, you'd probably like them if you can withhold your disdain for having a foreign policy. >The labour party looks like the lbbt-feminist-islamist alliance to me now and the rest - smug metropolitan twats m8 they've pissed off the feminists with their zero tolerance pro-trans pledge and the "Islamists" definitely won't be happy with their constant cucking out to the Zionists. They seem intent on becoming the party of media friendly social justice more than anything else. Tbh if Lammy or Jess occupy any space in your thoughts I think you should commit to less TV/old media, I never watch it and I only ever think of them when someone brings them up. They're literal whos.
>>277867 >WPGB Meh might as well join the flat earth society for all the relevance they have >they've pissed off the feminists Kek I know - the left is eating itself and its all down to post 60s idpol retardation,feminism,lgbt ad nauseam,muh poor muslims,multiculti,mass immigration Its all toxic cancer and the antithesis of working class solidarity Thats why I think the blue labour narrative has some credence inspite of the zio individuals involved. That TYPE of narrative needs to return as the core basis of Labour - you know - the actual working classes in this country Otherwise the party is fucked and youll never rebuild the red wall or get back the native working classes.It really is that simple.
>>277888 >Meh might as well join the flat earth society for all the relevance they have Yeah the depressing part about it is they were mocking the idea of things like operating soup kitchens before, saying that what's needed is a REAL party. Soup kitchens isn't the greatest idea ever but the immediate dismissal of it makes it seem like they're myopically 100% committed to electoral politics alone, which as a new party is absolutely retarded. TUSC got fucking nowhere and at least they had the RMT backing them. >inspite of the zio individuals involved Fucking lol. I was going to say earlier in another post but decided against it that their obsession with how I-P/Not Talking About British Politics™ cost Labour dearly is suspicious and the more they go on about it the more I think they're hiding dodgy foreign policy goals. You're absolutely being rused by them if they have affiliation to Zionists and they're whining about Labour's current foreign policy. No voter who doesn't care at all about foreign policy is going to change their vote based on foreign policy. >That TYPE of narrative needs to return as the core basis of Labour - you know - the actual working classes in this country At this point I'm convinced that the opportunist/liberal rot inside the party is incurable. If there was any time to cure it it was in the last five years and Corbyn's clique has blown it.
>>277617 >Some fucking great test you've got there anon well done. Are you a fucking moron fam? It is a test to see who is shit not who is great. The positives aren't worth that much but negatives are worthless.
>>277666 >The only hope for the left in the UK is the SDP or blue labour - but theyre all"fascists" and "white supremacists" now apparently Wow. Just wow. I swear 'left'-conservatives are fucking vultures man.
>>277909 Well since the election they seem to be doubling down No self awareness whatsoever. I can seriously understand the right critique in this regard - theyre completely brainwashed and beyond all reason I got called a nazi the other day cause I don't like tranny story time in primary schools.
>>277929 Yeh it's me thats the issue pal - the old school left Fuck off. Youre the faggots that just lost the north in the worst election result since 35
>>277935 >I don't like tranny story time in primary schools. Lmao the mask is slowly slipping
>>277937 Old school Left isn't just pure workerism you know? and if it was that it is the reason it is dead . Bruh the North turned away Labour's most left wing manifesto for Brexit and this is somehow Labour's fault? Send the blood and tears of the North for me to bathe in in the coming years.
>>277938 Yeh - who woulda thought eh? - an old school left working class bloke doesnt like men with psychological identity disorders dressing as women and teaching school kids. Imagine my shock The fact youre so fucking smug and convinced youre right sums up this whole debate perfectly
>>277937 >Fuck off. Youre the faggots that just lost the north in the worst election result since 35 No need to pedal Tory talking points on the poor performance. The votes were higher than 2015 but the issue was they were centralised in metropolitan/remain areas. It's not like they were massively unpopular, just unsuited to the system they were working in. You won't find many people disagreeing with you here that the second referendum shouldn't have been adopted, which is the key marker on the lost areas.
>>277948 >The fact youre so fucking smug and convinced youre right Accusing people of doing the things you are doing is a pretty bold move. >psychological identity disorders dressing as women and teaching school kids I swear people like you make it so hard to argue against idpol and wokeism when you feed into and engage in the culture war yourself.
>>277948 >old school left working class bloke How do you do fellow leftists?
>>277935 >muh trannies back to twitter.
>>277947 >>277947 >Send the blood and tears of the North for me to bathe in in the coming years Yeh you dont give a fuck. I mean why would you? Its only the working class - you know - the people the party was set up to represent. Best think about the new electorate - the 0.01% with gender dysphoria. Well done. Enjoy being in the wilderness for the next 2 decades
>>277953 >Tory talking points Right
>>277962 It is deliberate framing used for ideological attacks. The platform was hardly different from 2017 which was the best showing since 2010 and the best turnout for decades.
>>277954 The culture war manufactured by capitalist metropolitan solipsistic liberals you mean? The one thats destroyed working class solidarity and made the left a fucking joke? The one that youre hopelessly inured to without even realising it Next youll be telling me Duchess Markle is oppressed
>>277956 Yeh we exist faggot
Yo, conservatives are invited to ask questions in good faith, et al, and discuss things here, but quality of content is rather important, you've posted nothing but conservative talking points, insulted the denizens and so on and so on. What do you have in your defense?
>>277968 >Next youll be telling me Duchess Markle is oppressed m8 you are being unnecessarily hostile to everyone when this place is probably most amenable to your politics, just chill out a bit
>>277959 >Yeh you dont give a fuck. Its only the working clas Like you give a fuck about Labour? After all it is the only party looking out for you. Are you even a leftist? You know that Labour is to support the prolertariat, not just the working class (TM) you have in your head right? >Enjoy being in the wilderness for the next 2 decades Enjoy dying in cuts and austerity. Like I said, send your community's blood and tears to me anytime >>277968 >The one that youre hopelessly inured to without even realising it AHAHAHA Bitch you are the one mentioning and obsessing over trannies here not me. I don't even care for trannies that much but calling them "psychological identity disorders dressing as women" and then turn around accuse me of being in a culture war? The Tory cries as he strikes you!
>>277986 >but calling them "psychological identity disorders dressing as women" I'm so sorry muh lawd. What should I call them? Whats the currently acceptable phrase in bien pensant circles and chelsea soirees? Women? Transwomen? >Like you give a fuck about Labour? Bingo - metro party commissars feel fucking entitled to our votes.News alert. Youre not
>>277978 Bad mood m8 And the latest tranny vs terf retardation after what just happened in the election is proving to be perilously close to the final straw
>>278004 >I'm so sorry muh lawd. What should I call them? Call them anything you want fam, just don't accuse me of being a cultural war even though you are mad triggered about them like a fucking hypocrite. >metro party commissars feel fucking entitled to our votes.News alert. Youre not I think the best (although of coz it still has flaws) manifesto is entitled to votes. Oh but my mistake in thinking the working class(TM) can or wants to read. Oh well their suffering is not on my hands, won't lose any sleep over it.
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>>278010 Such cases. We've been divided and conquered by the Establishment. Anti-semitism, then Brexit, now muh trans rights. Radical trade unionism of both workers and tenants seems like the only logical way forward, with maybe a yellow vest moment at the next financial crash (the retards attempting to will it into existence need to stop). Also I saw this the other day, someone that wants the yellow vests in Britain whining about vandalism of government property. Truly a retarded and pathetic country. These same people who want the GJ over here are the same people who want the RMT to have their skulls cracked for making their train late.
>>278021(me) FWIW despite my antagonism to you I do agree with >>278023's general points and sentiment. I am just not stupid enough to let my annoyance of you and your ilk override my solidarity with you. Unlike you idiots, I am not willing to cut my nose to spite my face.
>>278021 >>I don't like tranny story time in primary schools. >Lmao the mask is slowly slipping Was this not a snide implication that I must be some tory troll or reactionary on your part? Because I think identity disorders are a medical issue and not a fucking policy matter - not least pushing the idea into the soft brains of kids? Guess that makes me a gammon trog eh
>>278027 >FWIW despite my antagonism to you I do agree with >>278023 (me) He is very antagonistic himself so don't take it too hard. If he was a bit more civil people would probably be agreeing with him. >>278043 No you just come across like you're going to snap at any moment and go full red scare, when if you boiled down your concerns they'd be fairly normal points made in the thread. Chill out a bit and practice a little diplomacy, I mean this in the nicest way possible.
>>278021 >the best (although of coz it still has flaws) manifesto is entitled to votes Oh we read it Promised the earth - and then some - utopian doesnt cover it not to mention the plans to "decolonise" education. Fuck me. Yeh Kehinde teaches British history. No thanks m8 The pro IRA pro Islam pro hate speech didnt help either But yeh - we gammon can't read and are just thick Fuck me - this shit just writes itself
>>278023 It's all so fucking tiresome
>>278051 >The pro IRA pro Islam Thought you didn't care about foreign policy?
>>278047 This tone policing is a bit bourgeois don't you think If you cant rant a bit on /leftypol/ whats the point
>>278059 >This tone policing is a bit bourgeois don't you think True, I just think you'd have a more fulfilling discussion being less hostile to people, it puts them on edge and they're less likely to answer honestly, and they'll treat your questions as suspect. >If you cant rant a bit on /leftypol/ whats the point Also true, if you can't say what's on your mind on an anonymous imageboard where can you.
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>>278058 I don't which is why I don't agree with having any position on foreign matters we have no control or influence on Being all cosy with a terrorist group that was the avowed enemy of the UK is not good optics to say the least
>>278068 Tbh quite a few of us still talk like this down the pub. Horribly gammon and reactionary ofcourse. But its always nice to guage the thoughts of the more urbane sophisticates on /leftypol/ Poles apart as always
>>278069 Top kek lad Fucking saved
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>>278069 >lavery leader never ever Why even live? >>278070 The concept of the UK is a nebulous thing. Was Corbyn's Labour an enemy of the UK because the whole establishment was against it and it was in constant conflict with it? Even when it was representing what's good for the majority of British people? >>278074 Pretty sure we're from similar places in the same county and from similar backgrounds because I think I've talked to you before. I'm just aware of how to influence the people I'm talking to.
>>278079 >the trans struggle Struggle against what? Reality?
>>278084 >The concept of the UK is a nebulous thing. Was Corbyn's Labour an enemy of the UK because the whole establishment was against it and it was in constant conflict with it? Even when it was representing what's good for the majority of British people? Thats all academic and ultimately irrelevant when towns are being bombed and squaddies from northern towns are being shot. Its bad fucking optics even if you do subscribe to some simplistic marxist anti-colonial interpretation of the troubles. It would be one thing supporting a UI ( eg the official ira who quit in 72 and became the workers party ) and giving tacit and open support to the provos like Corbyn
>>278084 >Pretty sure we're from similar places in the same county and from similar backgrounds because I think I've talked to you before. I'm just aware of how to influence the people I'm talking to. Good for you. I can't do it anymore. I'm all out of diplomacy. These people are retards and beyond reason - no point flogging a dead horse.
>>278098 >and *another thing giving tacit and open support
>>278098 The optics are bad because the British state does what it likes and controls the media. What next, the NUM were engaging in bad optics at Orgreave? Even with the footage being played backwards? There is no way for socialists to gain power with good optics, what cost them was their cowing to the media which was then capitalised on by internal enemies. >>278103 None of the retards are here though, you're speaking to the place consistently purged and the reason you're angry is because you don't like one of the purges that affects you.
>>278114 Are you really comparing the NUM struggles to the provisional IRA? Damn son. Fuck the media. The vast bulk of the working class including the left wing,have very little sympathy for that line of thinking. >None of the retards are here though, you're speaking to the place consistently purged and the reason you're angry is because you don't like one of the purges that affects you. Dude what you on about? I'm talking about the retards IRL in the fucking labour party
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>>277602 I hope you fucking die you obvious glowy motherfucker. Burgeon is one of the few honest good people in Labour and you're repeating stupid media talking points that he's stupid despite being more knowledgeable about almost everything than the vast majority of MPs, and he actually has a backbone. Starmer is absolutely a right winger Sir who will purge the left and be a loyal supporter of imperialism. >>277598 >RLB is the least shitty option See pic related, she's the british Liz Warren.
>>275937 So Labour are 100% controlled opposition to the level of brainwashing? Not surprised desu
>>278121 >Are you really comparing the NUM struggles to the provisional IRA? No I'm saying your argument of optics based politics is futile because no matter what you do they'll find a way to make it suit their agenda, including being beaten up by police. >Dude what you on about? I'm talking about the retards IRL in the fucking labour party Yeah so why are you getting so angry at everyone here?
>>277603 Because I don't want to hang out with shitlib "Ladies" who support war crimes? >>277604 She's an opportunist who compared people waving Palestinian flags to Mosley. You're embarrassing yourself
>>278134 >No I'm saying your argument of optics based politics is futile because no matter what you do they'll find a way to make it suit their agenda, including being beaten up by police. Right - so fuck it - just cosy up to a terrorist group who bombed your country for 30 yrs - the avowed enemies of the UK in the eyes of the public. Yeh still not buying it m8 >Yeah so why are you getting so angry at everyone here? I'm not. Its free floating anger. Just blowing off steam. Relax
>>278128 >Burgeon Shoe on head retarded m8
>>278134 >Yeah so why are you getting so angry at everyone here? Also - there were a couple of sneering woke cunts a while back who did seem to exude that smug metropolitan condescension at my heresy of questioning tranny adoration That type of shit is losing Labour their trad voters
>>278144 Not an argument
>>278152 Not a brain in his oddly shaped head
>>278142 >Right - so fuck it - just cosy up to a terrorist group who bombed your country for 30 yrs - the avowed enemies of the UK in the eyes of the public. Yeh still not buying it m8 Yeah, fuck it. The IRA only became the dickheads when they started killing civilians. They were totally justified at the start of the campaign, Catholic rights activists were getting stopped at the roadside and shot, they welcomed the British intervention and then the Brits turned on them. What's outrageous is that this is considered not worthy of standing up to in the gigacucked British mindset. >Relax I AM RELAXED!!! >>278145 You can't goad people into being rude by being rude then complain they're rude, come on. >>278144 Sorry sweetie but he's good, actually. Even if a little bit slow.
>>278155 Still no argument
>>278163 >they welcomed the British intervention and then the Brits turned on them Because the RA started shooting at them The catholics had legit complaints and Paisley meanwhile was riling up the prods with his paranoid conspiracy theories reactivating the ever present siege mentality of ulsterscots. The whole situation was a shitshow but any simplistic marxoid analysis that paints the provies as noble freedom fighters is romantic revisionist horseshit. They were cunts as were their loyalist paramilitary counterparts.
>>278163 >You can't goad people into being rude by being rude then complain they're rude, come on. I'm not complaining.You asked a question. I answered it
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>mfw british socialism collapsed overnight Now what the fuck are we going to do?
>>278163 >Sorry sweetie but he's good, actually. Even if a little bit slow. Just keep him off the TV. He is anti-charisma - like Gordon Brown with less competence
>>278199 Good question m8 >Join the SDP Seriously tempted
>>278205 Join wpb
>>278209 why not the already established and mentally stable CPB and TUSC?
>>278209 I agree with alot of their analysis but I've slowly become heterodox with regards the doctrinaire socialism I like the Norway model >I'll just get my coat now
>>278209 Galloway loves the yellow vests but hates civil disobedience, he is >>278023 pic ideologically >>278226 CPB has no upwards trajectory and TUSC has been suspended to support Corbynism.
>>278226 Good ole Bob Crow Took the piss a bit but hard to fault him
>>278226 Established at failing
>>278241 They'll feel at home in the movement then
>>278241 >>278243 The "left" is not dead but it appears to be on life support Woke capital is the fun new sponsor of the hip left lib luvvies. Get with the program. Fuck it. I'm tempted to believe turning Tories more economically left has a better hope of working than this bollocks Time to get meta
>>278256 >The "left" is not dead but it appears to be on life support Seems like we're giving it palliative care, and the nurses even let the family dog in to see it.
>>277909 >Yeah the depressing part about it is they were mocking the idea of things like operating soup kitchens before, Wait, what?
>>278236 My lib father shits on Scargill but swears by Bob Crow. hell of a bloke.
>>278261 The family dog now identifies as feline and has just shat on the bed Maybe Bannon's "economic nationalism" is worth pursuing. Flank the right. Subvert the conservatives
>>278205 >SDP bruh
>>278069 Whose top right?
>>278266 Your Dad sounds like a top bloke. I can sympathise with that view myself. How's he thinking about the latest shitshow - formerly known as the Labour party
>>278268 Yeh? What? I'm fucking serious. Shit is fucked and retarded beyond all measure now - politically,culturally,you name it. Praxis needs to get meta
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>>278264 < >>278267 Non-negligible chance that Galloway is supported by The Movement (Bannon's InterNat faction). Actually gives him a fighting chance in electoralism. The whole thing is full of rightpops though and they just claim to be open to leftpops so far.
>>278278 The SDP have always been faggots, get your tongue out Paul Embery's asshole.
>>278279 >chance that Galloway is supported by The Movement Interesting.Very interesting I've been thinking there's a sweet spot for anti idpol rightpops and leftypops to break bread Cut immigration More funds to train citizens for nhs instead of poaching foreign labour More infrastructure spending - esp in the North
>>278280 But his asshole is the cleanest one in town. Gotta put my tongue up someone's ass right? Youre a bigot if you don't
>>278279 >That tweet Bruh, do they not realise that they can operate a soup kitchen AND build a workers party? Hell, operating a soup kitchen could even help build a workers party for fucks sake
>>278279 I'm getting to the point where I just don't care which party delivers. If Labour want to devolve into student politics idpol and become irrelevant then fuck'em. Look elsewhere
>>278267 >The family dog now identifies as feline and has just shat on the bed Are we talking about LGBT rich kiddies
>>278291 Yup The whole lgbt idpol fixation of the lefty lib luvvies Woke capital and their pet dysphorics,islamists and black nationalists Kehinde I'm talking about you you seething boil of racial resentment
>>278284 Cut immigration once the struggle is won.
>>278284 >I've been thinking there's a sweet spot for anti idpol rightpops and leftypops to break bread This is essentially what the Nazbols in Russia were, had nothing to do with mixing communism and fascism, it was two factions of communists (Limonov) and fascists (Dugin) attempting to overthrow the market oriented oligarch government. >Cut immigration Tbh I don't really give a shit about immigration, but as it currently stands it seems to be interfering with my preferred model of 100%~ employment, high wages and ample training opportunities. If that could be maintained I don't give a shit how many people come in. If those criteria can be met with open borders then we can become the most rapidly expanding socialist state on the planet. >>278285 Wrong bucko. SDP have shitty asses. They have shitty asses that stink of treachery, selling out, and being cucks. If you want to follow someone like Emery but isn't a media appeasing cuckold crypto-rightist then follow his associate Eddie Dempsey of the RMT, who is incredibly based and has been involved in numerous spats with the media dickheads we've been talking about. >>278286 This is why I was complaining about them, the myopic electoralism. If they offered some of their own services and attempted to unionise workers and tenants in a radical union they'd be an actual alternative. Nobody voted for the TUSC.
>>278301 Mass Immigration 1/ lowers wages 2/ destroys social cohesion and trust (see Putnam ) 3/ imports literal far right,reactionary theocratic culture which in turn feeds nativist far right backlash
>>278269 Tara Tainton m8. Small businesswoman and advocate for close family relationships.
>>278301 I'm not joining the limp wristed sdp ffs. But I do agree with that TYPE of narrative - small c conservative family values plus left economics I want to purge the entire booj idpol platform - all of it
>>278301 I also want hard ass law and order when it comes to violent crime and sexual offences. If you think the failure to deal with grooming gangs in labour controlled councils didnt have an effect on the election you havent been paying attention
>>278301 >it seems to be interfering with my preferred model of 100%~ employment, high wages and ample training opportunities. If that could be maintained I don't give a shit how many people come in. If those criteria can be met with open borders then we can become the most rapidly expanding socialist state on the planet. Agree with all of that - just dont call it socialist - keep the rightpops placated
>>278324 Or we could call it socialist and we can tell the "rightpops" (Whatever that means) to fuck off if they don't like it
>>278309 >1/ lowers wages That's why the tap should be turned off when 100% employment and high wages are effected. >2/ destroys social cohesion and trust (see Putnam ) Immigrants have better social cohesion across the globe than Brits do because we destroyed our own communities during Thatcherism and insist on shipping young people into the cities where the majority of work is (also why the cities are much further Labour than elsewhere, and why socialism currently has a largely metropolitan flavour) >3/ imports literal far right,reactionary theocratic culture which in turn feeds nativist far right backlash This is the rural Pakistanis which is where most of our issues with immigrants come from, they're not even regarded well in their own region, or even Pakistan. Arabia is packed with secular socialists, Indians are well known for integrating. >>278316 There's a difference between valuing the family and cucking out for the status quo, many Blue Labour are incapable of telling the difference. >>278321 It didn't. Many Brits are too selfish to support strikes because it makes them wait at the train station and you think they give a shit about poor girls? They only care about what reaffirms what they already thought, and they use that as ammo to defend their initial gut feeling.
>>278324 >>278333 They're a well connected network of national bourgeoisie dedicated to destroying neoliberalism, slapping a "totally-not-socialists" label on it wouldn't fool them.
>>278333 You dont get it do ya? Who gives a toss what its called. Rightpops are on the march. Best to come to some sort of mutually beneficial synthesis that will ultimately serve our aims and the working class. If you want ideological purity and chest puffing go back to student politics chum
>>278336 And what's going to stop them from turning against us?
>>278334 >That's why the tap should be turned off when 100% employment and high wages are effected. Youve got that ass backwards >we'll put the plug in when the bath is full Thats what youre saying >Immigrants have better social cohesion across the globe than Brits do because we destroyed our own communities Which immigrants?Thats 1 hell of a generalisation. And what benefit to us if some afghan tribal culture moves here and has strong internal cohesion and a medieval worldview. Get fucking real m8. Rebuilding solidarity requires stopping foreign culture imports now - esp Islamic supremacist - and assimilating those here now >Indians are well known for integrating Indians have done well. They vote Tory kek >cucking out for the status quo Is objecting to trans ideology in schools cucking out? >you think they give a shit about poor girls You have a very dim few of your own people. I know plenty of Labour voting people who are fucking livid about that mess Also 4./ puts massive pressure on schools and hospitals
>>278335 Youd be surprised - unironically
>>275130 >>275868 >windrush >commonwealth subject vs. brit citizenship >not legally distinguished until well into the '70s >intentionally slipshod automatic reclassification process >technically still not british citizens but with all the rights of one Okay, I was ignorant, that's completely separate from the Home Office annual citizenship naturalization numbers I looked at. Legitimately flabbergasted something so convoluted and obscurantist was even possible >>278309 >which in turn feeds nativist far right backlash This is a key point. I'm confidant that if new immigration were greatly reduced (especially if the Tories were called out for their hypocritical empty rhetoric), the far right throughout Europe would pop like a soap bubble.
>>278336 Sounds like the logic that brought us no2eu. Shit don't work. Stop being a pussy and fight for socialism.
>>278342 Theyre reactionaries in the knee jerk sense They want less immigration Less pandering to Islam and idpol They want less hatespeech PC shit Give it to them and theyll happily give you infrastructure spending,NHS spending and Education and training for the locals Theyll also give you heavier regs and taxes on the banks and the city - who they hate as much as you
>>278347 It would Theres a reason theyre called reactionary But best pop the boil soon. If it lingers too long it will metastasize and become a genuine threat. Furthermore the lib luvvies have cried wolf so much with muh racism muh nazis muh white supremacism - dont be surprised if the public wont react when the same accusations are levelled at the real thing
>>278348 >fight for socialism Thats so 20th century man - kek Fuck that. Go meta - bring it in organically by conservatives
>>278351 There is quite a lot of crossover between left and right against the centre. Shit like bought golden passports, overpaid public sector ceo's etc. Ultimately though, disguising yourself doesn't matter unless you can flip the boomer papers to your side. And you won't. I think the vast majority of people don't give a shit about what labels tagged to you.
>>278343 >Youve got that ass backwards Think you just misread me here, I don't mind open borders when those goals are reached, and the borders should be restricted when they're in peril. >Which immigrants?Thats 1 hell of a generalisation. Fucking wew lad tier from the guy insisting immigrants were all reactionary theofascists. >Rebuilding solidarity requires stopping foreign culture imports now - esp Islamic supremacist - and assimilating those here now Except they aren't all jihadis you berk, most of the countries we're cunting around in in the ME have/had nominally socialist governments. >Is objecting to trans ideology in schools cucking out? No but being a social democrat is. >You have a very dim few of your own people. It's not losing in the last few years that has given me that dim view. I come from a town with high unemployment and the vast majority of the people I interacted with cheering on cracking down on the unemployed were the unemployed who thought themselves special and felt they were entitled to more. You just lose sympathy for the population after a bit, especially when you're in work and these faggots are telling you to stop being a commie fuckhead and be tougher on people like them but not actually them personally, someone else, less worthy. You'd even see workers ranting about them and quickly changing their tune when they became injured. They're just largely pathetic people. >I know plenty of Labour voting people who are fucking livid about that mess So am I lol
>>278360 >boomer papers You mean legacy media whose circulation is in free fall? Theyre history Global capital has lost control of the narrative and theyre fucking shitting themselves Rightypops and leftypops springing up eveywhere - wrongthink everywhere - hence the push for censorship and hatespeech and constant division techniques via idpol with corporate sponsorship
>>278359 OK check this right. We set up a socialist limited corporation. We disguise it at first by ruthlessly exploitng the workers and accumalating capital. But then we do the shiggy diggy do wop a do and communism by 2026.
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>>278360 >doesn't matter unless you can flip the boomer papers to your side. And you won't. Has anyone thought of a solution to The Murdoch Problem?
>>278372 >Theyre history WRONGO. Britain is fucking old m8 and oaps inhale this shit. I volenteer down the old folks home and you can't get away from it. I mean look at the last two election. 2019 was a working age win for Corbyn. 2017 was a absolute rout.
>>278376 The most logical solution for the last ten years has been waiting for the old cunt to die but he is foiling us out of spite.
>>278369 >I don't mind open borders when those goals are reached, and the borders should be restricted when they're in peril. Fair enough - provided its in small enough numbers for assimilation rather than this postmodern multiculti lifestyle bullshit >Fucking wew lad tier from the guy insisting immigrants were all reactionary theofascists. 1 type are - and their internal cohesion is nothing any socialist should be relaxed about - see the iranian revolution for details >Except they aren't all jihadis you berk, most of the countries we're cunting around in in the ME have/had nominally socialist governments. I know that - but female genital mutilation,cousin marriage,subsequent birth defects,high welfare uptake,low educational and employment attainment,high recidivism, and heroin imports arent anything I'm comfortable about >ME have/had nominally socialist governments. >nominally socialist anon please >No but being a social democrat is. Kek well played >They're just largely pathetic people. Dealing with lumpenproles is challenging >So am I Glad to hear it
>>278373 Shit - it could work Its better than your current fucking strategy - electoral suicide
>>278383 Think longer term
>>278351 >Give it to them and theyll happily give you infrastructure spending,NHS spending and Education and training for the locals And who's going to be in power, us or them? >Theyll also give you heavier regs and taxes on the banks and the city - who they hate as much as you I doubt it, either they'll cuck themselves out to porky (Assuming that the rightpops aren't porkies themselves) or they'll replace the porkies they don't like with the porkies that they do like
>>278398 >who's going to be in power, us or them? Us,them,bit of both Let's not argue about where they start and where we end anon Marked political borders are bourgeois and last century - kek Power has many centers anon - not all of which are elected office. You know this
>>278398 >Assuming that the rightpops aren't porkies themselves Most grassroots rightpops arent
>>278369 >cunting around in in the ME Most rightpops are isolationalist as far as I can tell They dont like the old foreign entanglements Theyre basically yankie isolationalionist paleocons from what I can tell We can work with that Thatcherite neocons they are not
>>278373 >by 2026 Isn't 2050 more realistic?
>>278406 How about we just exploit the workers a bit but not ruthlessly and settle for 2030 % years before Boris bans cars
>>278395 Longer term Britain either gets even older or filled with immigrants. Either way this doesn't seem like a sound plan. The actual chance to change something comes with next crash and the ballot box is inherently flawed beacause the old will be ring fenced from the effects by the Tories. AND they're increasingly segregated from the rest of society through homes and the disintrigration of local communites.
>>278407 5* years
>>278388 >Fair enough - provided its in small enough numbers for assimilation rather than this postmodern multiculti lifestyle bullshit America does just fine with porous borders. We have a retarded government incapable of doing anything properly and then rebrands their incompetence multiculturalism. 100% high quality employment, total nationalisation/cooperative ownership, national utilities and a quickly expanding economy to combat the bourgeoisie should be the primary goal of the British left. >anon please Sweetie you're basically a white Ba'athist you need to reconcile with Assad immediately.
>>278407 Critical support for Boris in his struggle against cagers.
>>278408 So let me get this straight Are you overtly coming out with an anti immigration platform? Recognising the political and cultural threat it poses? Good Start talking about that and watch the tories shite themselves and act accordingly
>>278408 >Longer term Britain either gets even older or filled with immigrants. Either way this doesn't seem like a sound plan. Please don't push this neolib garbage argument. Even at 0 immigration, UK GDP is far more than large enough to sustain extensive pensions for boomers & gen-X as population stabilizes into ZPG permaculture.
>>278406 The shiggy diggy do wop a do with Chinese characteristics
>>278410 >America does just fine with porous borders Kek are you serious? Why tf do you think they voted Trump >We have a retarded government incapable of doing anything properly and then rebrands their incompetence multiculturalism Agreed >100% high quality employment, total nationalisation/cooperative ownership, national utilities and a quickly expanding economy to combat the bourgeoisie should be the primary goal of the British left. Agreed >weetie you're basically a white Ba'athist you need to reconcile with Assad immediately. Id rather have him than the fucking CIA/Mossad backed Islamists
>>278421 Someone has to take care of the aging population too. You are going to need a lot of health care workers in an already strained NHS. So immigration it's going to be.
>>278424 I think (hope) other poster was being sarcastic about 'murkin immigration policy, given the "sweaty" jab at the bottom of the post.
>>278427 Train the locals here and pay them decent wages you ballbag
>>278429 You are probably gonna run out of willing locals.
>>278428 I'm not so sure Some brits are fucking clueless about the US domestic situation - especially lefty brits
>>278424 >Kek are you serious? Why tf do you think they voted Trump Because they're run by a neoliberal plutarchy that has seen wages decline for decades and manufacturing jobs outsourced to the third world? >Id rather have him than the fucking CIA/Mossad backed Islamists Based. >>278428 I was being sarcastic at the end but what do you mean about the American borders?
>>278427 >You are going to need a lot of health care workers in an already strained NHS NHS's problem is money, not people. UK has massive undermployment/unemployment cracking 10% right now.
>>278432 Why would you? If shortfalls occur temporary work visas with free accomodation is workable until short falls are made up for
>>278416 >>278421 Not a sound plan as in the plan to disguise socialism as right wing will not work due to either an old population that swallows the media or a large immigrant population opposed to right wing talking points. >Please don't push this neolib garbage argument. Even at 0 immigration, UK GDP is far more than large enough to sustain extensive pensions for boomers & gen-X as population stabilizes into ZPG permaculture. M8 UK gdp is sustained on imperialism, finance and conumption. Were genuinly fucked if we dont make a move back to being production based. And it isn't heading for ZPG. It's only internationally competitive to import foriegn adult labour. Much cheaper than caring for children. Fucks over everywhere else too.
>>278435 >Because they're run by a neoliberal plutarchy that has seen wages decline for decades and manufacturing jobs outsourced to the third world? Fucking exactly anon - AND mass immigration legal and otherwise
New thread >>278441
>>278440 >Fucking exactly anon - AND mass immigration legal and otherwise Doesn't matter too much if the factory or whatever is in the country, it boosts the local economy with wages, transport, taxes, whatever. No good having it shipped in.
>>278435 >what do you mean about the American borders? Burgerstan's immigration policy is absolute garbage, with a persistent illegal population of ~10M since the '90s passage of NAFTA, and over a million and accelerating permanent legal immigrants a year pouring in, on top of "maquiladora" border industry siphoning jobs away. The only reason there's no great cultural integration problem on par with Europe's, is because immigrants are mostly from our immediate neighbor, going to areas that were owned by them a couple centuries ago. It's like if UK had a land border with France and was being slowly swamped with frogs.
>>278439 >Were genuinly fucked if we dont make a move back to being production based. Damn right. aAlmost trumpian - bring back industrial jobs >Fucks over everywhere else too. Correct - stalls development in the 3rd world
>>278445 This anon gets it
>>278445 Ah right, yeah my point was that American immigrants can fit in well there. Latinos are pretty trad for American standards, but in the UK we don't even integrate our Euro immigrants that well. >>278446 It's not even Trumpian. The left has fallen so far behind that its allowed industrialisation to become the realm of the right.
>>278442 Continue all chat here lads >>278441 If your reply is SO GOOD you absolutely must post it then paste it in the reply box there because no cunt is gonna read it here
>>278451 >The left has fallen so far behind that its allowed industrialisation to become the realm of the right Exactly. So I say why cling to the rotting zombie corpse of a lefty lib luvvie party - a national joke - when we can just go meta zen and coopt the popright
>>278456 I think everyone was just posting stuff without watching the bottom of the page
>>278043 >Was this not a snide implication that I must be some tory troll or reactionary on your part? Yes? You pretend to not care, then say some conservative shit. classic tory/reactionary move. >>278051 >The pro IRA pro Islam pro hate speech didnt help either Lmao this keeps getting better and better. The mask is really slipping. FYI Up the RA nigga
>>278128 >british Liz Warren. Nah it is Nandy. For fuck sake RLB may be shit but she is the least worst option. >>278133 Bruh I meant the anti-idpol critics of Labour is say 50% controlled opposition brainwashing the other 50%.
>>278163 >You can't goad people into being rude by being rude then complain they're rude, come on. Anti-idpol always do this. It is super frustrating, like talking to fucking babies.
>>278593 >not wanting men in dresses telling pre schoolers about 72 genders makes you a reactionary guiwe Fuck off you middle class regressive bourgeois twat Your days are numbered
>>278593 >unironically supporting ethnonationalist reactionaries who masquerade as marxists Youre a fucking idiot son
>It is super frustrating Oh yes isnt it Tarquin - so gammon - so working class Fuck off you poseur faggot
>>278660 >Your days are numbered Lmao I am not the one that is going to be dying on the streets over to austerity even if I was middle class you retard. And it is not about your actual views on trans, but having such an extreme rheortic and then accusing others of being in the culture war you are in. >Youre a fucking idiot son Okay 'old leftist' >so gammon - so working class Ooo does baby want his milk bottle?
>>278675 >>278675 >extreme rheortic >extreme Fucking kek lad I'll do alright. I actually work for a living >Ooo does baby want his milk bottle? Classic projection The sooner you bourgeois faggots are purged the better. Limp,wet,weak and pitiful - a cancerous boil thats delivered us nothing but failure. Away and join the lid dems or the greens faggot. Youll fit right in
>>278741 >Fucking kek lad Not an argument. >I actually work for a living So what? Austerity will be brutal regardless of a job. Hell you might lose it any moment now... >Limp,wet,weak and pitiful - a cancerous boil thats delivered us nothing but failure. Oh yea because the working class(TM) has done so well for itself lately haven’t it? Take your class envy and hatred elsewhere fam. You are a right winger’s caricature of what a socialist is, envious and spiteful of people above his station in life.
>>277602 Imagine defending "soft left" Miliband types like Rayner.
>>278741 >The sooner you bourgeois faggots are purged the better. The only people getting purged from labour are anti imperialists
>>279135 >muh imperialism Are bongs even relevant on the global stage today?
>>279142 Fuck off fed
>>279146 Obviously there's utility in Airstrip One's further acquiescence as the sewer inflow to Europe for Wallstreet, but do you actually still do anything of note outside the OECD imperial core?
>>279149 I'm not here to educate a glowy on foreign policy
>>278915 >Austerity will be brutal regardless of a job. Hell you might lose it any moment now >the working class(TM) has done so well for itself lately haven’t it? Take your class envy and hatred elsewhere Look and marvel at the chelsea socialist and his sneering contempt for the lower orders All projection ofcourse.Ive no bother with people doing well for themselves - provided its not some trumped up little champagne marxist trust fund baby with an expense account
>>279172 >his sneering contempt for the lower orders Oh please, not everything is about you or your class fam, I sneer at anyone who is against socialism and its adherents. What a snowflake. >Ive no bother with people doing well for themselves - provided its not some trumped up little champagne marxist trust fund baby with an expense account Lmao do you tell yourself that to justify your resentment and class envy or are a Tory larper?
>>279177 >class envy >tory larper Pick one Try to keep some semblance of coherence to your half baked narrative and ill conceived assumptions Your posts reveal you are practically praying for some type of disaster to punish the working class - who no doubt are a constant source of disappointment to your little debating society
>>279180 What part of class envy OR Tory larper do you not understand? It is literally a pick one statement. Can you fucking read or understand English? >you are practically praying for some type of disaster to punish the working class Pray? It is already here fam, I at best wash myself as pity or sympathy (but of course still class solidarity) with the North. >constant source of disappointment to your little debating society Oh don’t be so egotistical. The people voting LD and Greens coz of anti-semitism, muh Remain or Tory lies are an equal source of disappointment if not more. Not everything is about you, moron.
>>279205 >as pity or sympathy (but of course still class solidarity) with the North. Of pity or sympathy (but of course not class solidarity) with the North.
>>279205 More incoherent bollocks and post hoc rationalisations.Boring >Not everything is about you, moron. Projection once again. Tiresome. Jog on Tarquin - time for a spot of brunch
>>279211 >More incoherent bollocks and post hoc rationalisations Not an argument. You are trying to wiggle out a statement you made in bad faith. >Projection once again. Tiresome. Jog on Tarquin - time for a spot of brunch This isn’t how projection works fam. I never ascribed to you any traits that you didn’t already reveal. Now calling me Traquin? That is projection.
>>279236 Zzzzzzz
>>279258 The amazing intellect of a ‘old left’ working class(TM) everyone!
>>279267 Ant yet,even in the arms of morpheus and a catatonic state, still more ideologically coherent
>>279275 >And yet* Youre so mindlessly dull,it's effecting my already substandard typing
>>279275 >>279276 >you are so stupid you are making me stupid Poor arguments and poor banter. Austerity is really screwing up the North huh?
Turns out she's a complete moron.

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