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Socdem: ISHYG would stop doing this OP 01/14/2020 (Tue) 16:02:49 No. 212911
>Still being a social democrat after Sanders and Corbyn lost, shifted to the right and are commonly acknowledged that they wouldn't be able to do anything even if they'd won. >Not knowing this is fundamentally at odds with radicalizing a working population towards carrying out a socialist revolution, since welfare capitalism pacifies workers while simultaneously establishing a national bourgeoisie, to mount an overwhelmingly successful reaction as a response (since they are the ruling class and hence dominate their pet bourgeois democracy). >Not understanding that social democracy for about 100 years have thus been social fascism and that is the same for the present day Corbyn (who supported the removal of the word 'socialism' from Labours platform) and Bernie (who is to be materially affected by becoming a millionaire at his own prerogative, of which he could redistribute but chooses instead to hoard, without a doubt having psychosocial ramifications). >Not knowing that Marx & Engels didn't even approve of late 18th century socdems, and they still considered themselves Marxists and striving to explicitly abolish capitalism and replace it with socialism. >Yet you physically cannot stop blathering about the next anti-revolutionary performance artist in the game to scam workers into believing in a rigged hype-game and ruining their income as a side-effect (especially for the Sanders campaign) for what at best would result in socio-liberal opportunists capital gain and a hung parliament and at worst an assassination and a right-wing military dictatorship sponsored by national, but also surely international, capital. >Doing all this in my literal communist bunker in MMXX What do you have to say to yourselves?
I look at sanders, even if he can't do anything, as a rather symbolic victory. Do you think most of the people who voted for trump even knew what his policies were let alone cared if he got them through? It was a fucking propaganda strategy by rich middle crust white ppl. A victory for sanders means a hegemonic victory for working people.
>>212911 >and Corbyn lost Fuck off Corbyn was no fucking socdem
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Why do you not: 1. Grow the labor unions in a time of resurging working class interest and need? 2. Reinvigorate your regional communist organizations? 3. Organize your community? Even advocating for social democracy is reactionary as a fronting "socialist", since that completely dilutes your revolutionary message to 'apolitical' workers since A). workers don't trust centrists anymore because they correctly tie them to the abusive establishment and thus you also as collateral and B). it distracts from the actually revolutionary education, organization and conflict that is needed by the workers to actually make a material change from the status quo and build the counterpower that replaces the bourgeoisie. The program of socdem politicians lands them in a structural position of which becomes an obstacle to revolution and needs to be swept away as well in a dictatorship of the proletariat, hence it's just a waste of time, energy and an object of distraction - especially in an era of hypermediation with ideological propaganda (i.e. the scenario "workers are having an insurrection outside my window but all the channels I subscribe to are "progressive" and say it's be the most pragmatic for me to wait until the elections and don't get myself in trouble").
>>212911 >shifted to the right How did he move to the right? If anything, Bernie's rhetoric has been further left this campaign since he needs to differentiate himself from the other candidates, most of whom are paying lip service to some mild social democratic reforms in a way Hillary didn't. He has also been more forceful in his anti-intervetionist stance this campaign. >since welfare capitalism pacifies workers Yeah right let's support austerity and neoliberalism until a revolution magically falls from the sky. >...while simultaneously establishing a national bourgeoisie What do you even mean? It's the US of A. There's already a national bourgeoisie. Do you mean labour aristocracy? >social democracy for about 100 years have thus been social fascism This is and always has been a retarded theory. If you look at Sweden in the 1980's and Nazi Germany and conclude they're essentially the same thing, then fascism is a completely meaningless term. Reducing everything non-communist to fascism isn't some profound analysis, it's retarded. Is Venezuela also social fascist, or does it not apply to brown people?
>>212911 >and Bernie (who is to be materially affected by becoming a millionaire at his own prerogative, of which he could redistribute but chooses instead to hoard, without a doubt having psychosocial ramifications). That's a stretch. He's a 70-something year old man. A lot of people in the United States have over a million dollars in assets by the time they retire. You claiming that Sanders having an arbitrary number of dollars in the bank "psychosocially" turns him into an enemy of the working class or "spiritually" part of the bourgeoisie doesn't make sense. You're pretending as if Sanders is running against a communist candidate, as if him winning will somehow stop communism. When in fact it can only help it, if only by making the word "socialism" not have negative connotations. Right now, people in the US think universal healthcare is communism that will destroy their country. They literally need to be held by the hand and gently walked down the path to socialism. Any kind of workers uprising in the US, brought on by economic collapse, would necessarily have a right-wing if not outright fascist character.
>>212950 >Yeah right let's support austerity and neoliberalism until a revolution magically falls from the sky. >>212945
>>212911 Bernie has already done enough by making socialism not so scary word for the American mainstream.
Bernie might be a lukewarm succdem but he is the most class conscious high-profile politician the US has had for decades, and once he wins and utterly fails to pass any socdem reforms due to Dem ratfuckery from all sides he will point the finger at class and basically redpill the whole country at once. There are no drawbacks for the left as far as supporting him goes, only benefits. >Organize your community? Canvassing for Bernie is the best way to classpill your community in the US at the moment.
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>>212969 I concur, this was established four years ago. Therefore it's about time we advance towards actual (revolutionary) socialist strategy then, agree? >>212973 This is the prototypically counterrevolutionary delusion I'm talking about. >Goes on communist website >uses DPRK flag purely for LARP >Posts: "Canvassing for [toothless reformist] is the best way to classpill your community in the US" in response to an advocacy of organizing the revolutionary potential in the core of the capitalist empire currently.
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>>213001 >To glow is to be a communist in 2020 Bunkerchan. OK.
>>213003 To be a """communist""" who rejects realistic praxis because muh purity, yeah.
>>213001 >t. 18 year old freshman alt-tabbing to Facebook meme Stalin groups in their Chrome browser. I hope you get paranoid by these messages you fucking drone.
>instead vote CPGB-ML
>>213008 >Communist organization amounts to voting in bourgeois elections. Haha yeah, good one. Much historical literacy, very intellectually ambitious fellow "socialist".
>>212994 >this was established four years ago. Therefore it's about time we advance towards actual (revolutionary) socialist strategy then, agree? We can keep doing this while organizing you know?
>>213011 you might want to have a check up for that infantile disorder
So far the responses have been exactly what I expected.
>>213012 That empirically didn't work literlly weeks ago with Labour. All of you fucks were hailing the opportunist as the second coming of Lenin for fucks sake.
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>>212973 Read Kim Jong Il.
I should probably make a new thread for this, but fuck it. Social democracy is the dialectical answer to the debate between capitalism and communism. Fight me.
>>213097 It's class collaboration to stave off revolution. Glad we "agree".
Bump because revisionism everywhere.
>>213097 >Social democracy is the dialectical answer to the debate between capitalism and communism. <this is what socdems actually believe Social democracy is still capitalism. The means of production are still privately owned, you still have crises and recessions/depressions, workplaces are not democratic, etc.
>>213104 Lol, cause capitalist are known to tolerate any threat to the status quo. >>213411 >Socdem=private ownership. So I guess you've never heard of a mixed economy then.
>>213524 Fucked up the green text, but you know what I meant.

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