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A discussion of the prospect of the creation of an /idpol/ board Anonymous Board volunteer 01/13/2020 (Mon) 04:14:51 No. 210909
Hello friends, we have been hearing lots of complaints about the idpol thread lately, but as a huge cyclical with no real organisation it is difficult for us or for anyone to realistically moderate it. Therefore, one proposal that has come to light is the idea of creating an /idpol/ board to serve as a containment instead, which would allow idpol posters to spread out a bit and have more topic-enforcement. Now, of course, the idea of an anti-idpol board having an idpol board seems a bit incongruous, but we do have to accept that many people have idpol related spooks that need to be dispelled in order to bring them to the left, which may not be possible if we simply refuse to talk about idpol at all. However, I do have my own hesitations about this idea as well, which is why I/we would like to ask for your opinions on the subject. If you have any salient points for or against this proposal we would be interested in hearing them, because I personally haven't made up my mind.
>>210909 How would success or failure of creating a separate board be judged? What further action will be taken if the idpol board meets the success criteria or fails to meet the criteria? That is the scientific approach we should take.
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Purge the idpol general and ban idpol discussion.
>>210917 Please no. I don’t want idpolshit spread all over the site. Just hide that thread and let it be.
>Hello friends, we have been hearing lots of complaints about the idpol thread lately, It’s just been a few booty mad feminists and some mods that are sympathetic to them that have been complaining. No the Idpol thread shouldn’t be moved to its own board. It’s a part of the superstructure especially among post colonial states. As with regards to gender, men and women have different material conditions and have different issues under capitalism. Making an Idpol board is just a capitulation to the liberal feminists that are mad some real critique is taking place of feminism. TL;DR just open up a bunkerchan subreddit if you’re going to do this.
Making an Idpol board would just kill the thread and important topics, like how men are being enslaved via child support arrears, male only drafts, lower life expectancy etc. Which is what the liberal feminist want.
>>210909 This is really about the incel talk, and how the facts make incels look sympathetic and making sure that doesn’t come to light because it triggers the feminist libs on the board.
Don't, they're not going to stick to a dead board and instead will derail every leftypol thread they can.
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What if you compromised between one cyclical and a board with multiple threads and allowed multiple threads here, but somehow flagged them as idpol (edit the subject?) to make them easy to hide and ignore? And then outside of a designated idpol thread, you get told to fuck off unless it's actually pertinent to the topic?
>>210925 No, creating a board for you all would: A: Keep idpol, rightfully, off leftypol, B: Keep you faggot Nazis from springing out all over the board and, unless you can construct a sentence longer than 12 syllables, incentivize you from posting on the board. C: Produce more in-depth and focused conversation about various idpol related topics; rather than just having everything in one long stream of consciousness and D: Would also make it harder for people who are masking their ip's to flood the topic and make it easier for us to moderate you guys and keep rule breakers in check.
When did the internet become literally infested with these incels and their talking points anyways? I didn’t even know what the fuck they were a year ago, and ever since then they’ve multiplied and dispersed over the entire fucking internet and every community.
>>210935 Basement dwelling perma-virgins have existed through all of history. It's just that recently they've started developing a theory about their condition, and naturally it's the most self-serving and narrow-minded possible ideology it could be.
>>210930 Blah blah blah, dude shut up with your gay ass defeatist mentality. That thread fucking sucks and you know it.
>>210934 I don’t agree. Just keep them in the quarantine, so they’ll not shit up the board. No need to create one more board for them.
>>210935 It was better when they called themselves wizards and stayed on wizchan. Soon as the word "incel" cropped up all hell broke loose.
>>210934 What makes you think anyone was cycling through IPs. You gotta be one of the liberal mods that’s only being against the Idpol thread since you’re conflating Nazis with the MRA incels posters, the self proclaimed Nazis whom only really appeared today. You guys left the feminists spam the board and endlessly antagonize the posters sympathetic to incels and when they respond you blame allllll the shitposting on the incels. Seriously fuck you guys, you are all thoroughly spooked by liberal feminism and you’re goingt to see a drop in IPs because the IDpol thread was the fastest thread by far.
>>210941 *that’s always been
>>210934 I have written my account of the thread here >>210920, it's mostly just 1-2 posters causing the cancer. Making a new board is pointless for 1-2 posters. keep the /idpol/ in a single thread and instead just ban the posters. If they are IP hopping then continue banning until they get bored and go back to /pol/. Please note that this >>210941 poster is likely one of them. Under normal conditions his posts would only include the "seriously fuck you guys, you are all thoroughly spooked by liberal feminism" part and none of the rest.
No, stop diluting the site with minor boards. If I want to whine about idpol and preach my reactionary or conservative views I would go to stupidpol. >>210925 Just ban this dumbass and the problem will be solved. But more seriously just spilt the idpol general to two. One is the incel general and the other is regular idpol. We contain the incels and we can talk about idpol within a single thread.
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>>210939 If that were true this thread wouldn't have been created in the first place. People cannot even have discussions about current on goings of the site with out this topic being brought up. It is bleeding into the board and out of the containment thread. It's out growing itself.
>>210944 >Just ban this dumbass and the problem will be solved. Half the proles are men, there’s a bunch of issues that only effect them. Feminist want this type of talk shut down because it has real teeth and could get real numbers behind the left because it’s such a deeply neglected issue.
>>210944 >Mods remove three boards and put them into one >People complain about not having enough boards constantly. >Stop diluting the site with minor boards Fuck off newfag
>>210945 This >>210946 is the same person that I have been speaking of in >>210943 and >>210920. He speaks in the same way and merely repeats himself indefinitely, along with spamming ad hom in the form of "liberals, trannies, and feminists". If you actually read the idpol thread he becomes extremely obvious to spot.
>>210944 You realize this is an anonymous image-board right?
>>210947 >People complain about not having enough boards constantly. I never agreed with those people to begin with so idk why you are shaming me for.
The main problem is that the topic is much larger than a single thread on a board as fast as this can contain. It all gets dominated by incel discourse because, somehow, incels seem to have more time to relate everything in the thread back to sex. An idpol board would have one thread for incels and then other threads on actual idpol topics like colonialism and liberation theology. A good objection that was raised was >>>/GET/48059 that moot tried that with /pol/ and it lead to the mess we're still dealing with now. But I'd say that the main problem with /pol/ was that moot was unwilling to moderate it at all. He was so committed to his free speech ideals and remaining apolitical that he let right wingers spill over and dominate the entire site with his hands off approach. A new board would need the guarantee of good moderation. Otherwise just leave the thread and patrol what you can with the staff you have
Please just purge the cancer thanks
>>210952 It's literally just 1-2 posters, and I do mean literally. The new board would die within a day and the same problems would keep happening. Just ban the cancer kiddies.
>>210948 I already have read it and yes I can see who he is, but, you are still missing the point: The point is that this "containment thread" is spilling out into the board with its cancerous content. This is 2020, most people can just switch proxy hosts and evade their bans, anyways. At least if he is outside of the thread he can't dominate the whole conversation && his faggotry will be dispersed. You're being fairly incredulous. >>210952 I don't really mind talking about idpol. Every now and then I participate in the thread, anyways. I'll watch over it, for sure.
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>>210955 If that were true the thread wouldn't have gotten to this point to begin with. And I do mean literally.
>>210909 it could only work if mods would actually enforce the rule of no idpol posting outside of gulag and looking as it is enforced now, i.e. not enforced at all, it would not work, as we have idpol cancer already spilling over the rest of the board and mods don't do shit about it
>>210960 Mods deff do enforce the no idpol out of the gulag. What are you talking about? Nazis get banned on the regular. The only reason the current shit is being allowed to stay is because of the on going discussion about what to do with it.
>>210956 So you are saying you don’t want to ban or that banning is not an option to begin with?
>>210956 If you actually think cancer kiddies will stay in a new board/thread, then go for it and make the board/thread. They come to "own da feminists", if they think they are no longer talking to said boogieman they will leave and search elsewhere (aka back here) in my opinion. I will trust your choice in the end, but I think strict moderation for a week or so with a fast ban hammer for ip-hoping would provide a better method. Just my 2c. >>210957 You don't understand the level of cancer these 1-2 posters are on, they/it sat there for 8+ hours repeating themselves/himself over and over. It's dedication I must admit.
>>210961 >What are you talking about? I'm talking about when we have a totally non-idpol related thread and some bootyblasted femshit and incel start derailing thread with their drama and mods don't fucking ban their asses to all eternity
>>210962 >>210964 Imagin begging mods to ban the people that completly and utterly btfod you.
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>>210966 >Sexless poorfag still seething that everyone hates him IRL and on chans
>>210967 bro im not the one making butthurt threads about how mods need to ban you.
>>210962 I'm saying that banning 1 faggot isn't going to really solve anything. >>210964 That only happens until it becomes normalized through constant banning and deletion of off topic posts. Even the most ardent of faggots give up after a while. As long as you take away their ability to garner attention then they loose interest. So, yeah, gonna have to disagree with you there. As long as the mods actually stay on their shit and ban idpol then we'll be ok. Also, we have a report feature that you guys can use too.
>>210966 >completly and utterly btfod you. Yea you really btfo everyone on Marxism is muh equality...
>>210964 >You don't understand the level of cancer these 1-2 posters are on, they/it sat there for 8+ hours repeating themselves/himself over and over. It's dedication I must admit. 8 hours that's all?
>>210969 >I'm saying that banning 1 faggot isn't going to really solve anything. Don’t knock it till you try it...
>>210970 No one said that. >>210972 Cope
>>210965 I haven't seen any of this, personally.
>>210941 >You gotta be one of the liberal mods >Comatoast >Liberal Honey you have no idea. That mod shits on feminists on twitter as a hobby.
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>>210972 It's contextual, as was said in >>210934 banning 1 person in a massive shitshow of a thread and banning 1 person from a board are two different things with two different outcomes. Relegating everything to 1 thread is infinitely harder to deal with than just moderating a board. Imageboards were made for boards not generals.
>>210934 >D: Would also make it harder for people who are masking their ip's to flood the topic and make it easier for us to moderate you guys and keep rule breakers in check. Is there some kind of rule that I'm not aware that makes if forbidden to cycle through IPs for the purposes of anonymity? All leftpol users should be cycling their IPs to anonymize themselves against the numerous parties that would like to dox them, including the mods themselves. If the IP cycling wasn't being used to ban evade, I don't see the problem. Seems like mod sour grapes to me.
>>210979 It makes it incredibly difficult for us to judge whether someone is samefagging or ban evading
>>210917 based
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>>210941 I ban liberals the same as I ban Nazis, and feminists and whatever else. idpol belongs elsewhere. Where that is is currently being discussed. And nothing makes me think people are cycling their ips to evade bans. It's a possibility just like the possibility that they are not and their really is just a massive hoard of you faggots. As far as what the mods do or do not do is on them. I have been discussing the on goings with them, and that they need to be more vigilant with certain things; things like catching more of the rule-breakers and deleting and banning their cancer.
>>210982 >things like catching more of the rule-breakers and deleting and banning their cancer. Jannies>mods
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I don't know what the fuck is going on in that thread but it makes me question the entire user base of /leftypol/ sometimes, it's hard to tell if everyone posts there and my opinions don't align very well with the community anymore or if it's the same few autists who purposefully post inane garbage. I'll post some benign comment or meme and get 3 responses misinterpreting my post in the 3 worst ways possible. I actually remember this shit happening on 8ch, the writing style of the incel/fem shitposters is exactly the same. The poster(s) seemed to come and go in waves based on how spicy the mods were feeling.
>>210984 I'm, actually, a level higher than mods, lol. Just one of the other admins decided to change my flags for whatever reason, randomly, lol.
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>>210989 Excusi .t other admin
>>210985 The only reason the thread exists in the first place is because it is inevitable that certain topics, throughout the course of an image-boards lifespan, will inevitably be raised in one way or another. When it gets too bad for even the staff to handle then it has to be dealt with through alternative measures. Such as making a general, or, as is usually the case, creating a new board.
This is a terrible idea for a few reasons, not in the least because new users will come, see that the website has an entire identity politics board and become alienated right off the bat thinking we're another idpol-obsessed radlib cesspit. /idpol/ has been doing a decent job at getting the trash off the rest of the board. Yes, posters there are retards. But THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE. To keep the retards contained. Hide it if you don't want to see them.
I think the main concern I have is that personally I have no interest in moderating idpol. I quite like the situation where I don't have to look at the ranging bushfire that is the idpol thread. Who would moderate the idpol board and what would their modding policy be? If it's someone who is anti idpol in general why would they moderate? If it's an idpoller it's just going to end up with one side being mods or with a total nuking if everything by salty cunts.
>>210909 How would you even structure an idpol board without it becoming a total shitshow?
>>210995 I would just do it myself. And I think the policy should be, relativly, the same as leftypols, in so far as, A: No blatantly trollish bullshit like "INCEL INCEL INCEL YOU DON'T HAVE SEX" or "FUCKIN LIBERAL FEMINAZI CUCKS DIE SEIG HEIL" over and over again for 50 posts. What have you. At least try to make some form of argument.
>>210995 (me) I have to agree with the poster who said it will just end up like pol on 4chan. Giving them their own board just gives them legitimacy and a place to fester until one side wins out. Unlike leftypol, while we have sectarian infighting, we still have roughly the same goal. All idpol sects are diametrically opposed so no real balance can be established. >>210998 Isn't that all idpol boils down to most of the time?
>>210994 >>210994 Most people who come to this site, at this point, come here with a idpol bias anyways. You have it totally backwards. Furthermore, again, if it's doing such a "decent job" why are we even having this fucking conversation?
>>211000 (But I will do what the users want in the end)
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>>211000 So then let's just ban idpol all together then.
>>210995 No one wants to look at idpol, but occasionally I will pop in it to either shitpost a cancer kiddo to oblivion or try to redirect the conversation to something better. It's the only thing one can do as a non jannie/mod, but it's better than leaving it in the state where people get locked into shitfests of pure adhom. As the other posters such as >>211000 are saying, leaving it alone only lets the cancer grow into a giant tumor.
Ban all incels and you eliminate almost all the toxicity from idpol containment. Not to mention that they leak on rest of the board despite containment thread.
>>211001 Eh, not really. Idpol thread at most has 5-10 regular posters.
>>210921 How do you hide thread on Bunkerchan?
>>211004 How about mandatory civility in the idpol thread. Bans posters for throwing out insults. Anything that will increase the effort required to discuss idpol and hopefully decrease the quantity of posts.
>>211006 If those incels go so do you. Liberals aren't special. Either everyone gets to play the game or no one does.
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>>211008 its this button
>>211010 Again, that thread is too difficult to handle. It would require near round the clock surveillance by us, and, we have our own lives outside of the bunker, sad to say.
>>210978 I guess but banning someone shouldn’t be off the table or at least tried before or after you set up the new board. It is just that creating a new board seem too extreme a measure
>>211013 Thanks, I must be retarded because I haven't noticed it yet.
>>211014 Be honest, did you guys even attempt to ban the one cancer kiddo making everything worse aka: >>210973 in the past 12 hours?
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>>211013 wow, you guys i just now figured out how the fucking thread watcher works. You have to open the thread watcher FIRST, THEN *ONLY* pick a thread through the list view sidebar thing that no one uses, and only that makes the thread watcher icon appear on a thread, if you navigate to a thread normally it won't be there. But then you can click that and it'll work just like on any other chan. We've all thought this thing was broken for months haven't we? its not just me
>>211016 Trust me, if it was as simple as banning users we wouldn't have made this thread in the first place. On that note: I have created a strawpoll for this topic. https://www.strawpoll.me/19219320 I will leave the poll up for a few days. This isn't necessarily final but so we can gauge user opinion, and will help inform our judgment on what to do.
>>211023 >9 minutes ago >106 votes something fishy is going on here
>>211024 Same happened with the last few strawpolls as well. I would bet 500 bucks >>211021 is messing with it.
>>211023 >>211023 >already 106 votes I feel like somethings fishy there, admin.
>>211024 Mostly in favor of new board too. If someone is padding the results then does that mean they want a separate board?
>>211025 >t. cancer kiddo trying to avoid the ban he deserves but mods refuse to give.
What if this whole drama is concocted by glowies to break our board?
>>211028 >Get caught ballot stuffing twice in a row. You're the one antagonizing the anti-feminist and incel posters then running off to tattling to the mods that's it's the incels. You admit as much here >>210920
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>>211024 >>211026 >>211027 Ok, so, if some one is messing with the poll then we are just going to act unilaterally and that's probably going to involve just banning it all together, imo. >>211025 Also, it's weird you say that because the first strawpoll ever hosted on this site was created yesterday and by me to inform our decision about a thread related to anime. Maybe you are the one tampering with the poll.
>>211032 >Also, it's weird you say that because the first strawpoll ever hosted on this site was created yesterday and by me I dont know the order of posts, but there was a strawpoll on the /idpol/ thread posted yesterday. See >>210238
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>>210917 pin the idpol general at the end of the last page / bottom of the catalog
>>211032 >Maybe you are the one tampering with the poll. You sound like you've already made up you mind. I don't know why you need a vote when several anti-feminist posters have already told you that they do not want a separate board. It was almost certainly this poster >>211028 who uses the "cancer kiddo" insult. He held a strawpoll less than a day ago and the exact same thing happen (over a hundred votes in several minutes to ban incels).
>>211031 Ah yes of course I would stuff the ballot to be in favor of making a new board when I've said this entire time to simply ban the cancer kiddo and move on. Truly what an incredible master plot, to literally just fuck myself. Ebin, simply ebin. >you're the one antagonizing the anti-feminist and incel posters """"""""""""posters"""""""""", you mean the singular shitposter who before I even spoke to, had been spamming ad hom in the exact same fashion for nearly 3 hours?
>>211032 >Also, it's weird you say that because the first strawpoll ever hosted on this site was created yesterday and by me to inform our decision about a thread related to anime. Not that guy but there a straw poll created in the idpol general about banning the incelposter and it got roughly the same amount of NOs
>>211038 This is the type of sperg you should ban, admins.
>>211040 >t. cancer kiddo who the mods STILL won't ban >>211032 why do you let this guy run around here? you can see ip's correct? is he hopping on each post?
>>211036 Not possible. >>211037 I have already made up my mind. It's between a new board or between banning it completely. But, what actually happens is between all of the mods and admins to decide. And hopefully you guys, but, if I can't get an actual feel for the poll then what do you want me to do. Ultimately I want to uphold the wishes of the community. At anyrate, can you point me to the strawpoll that was rigged?
>>211049 >>211049 >It's between a new board or between banning it completely I support the later then. Idpol board will be bad optics.
Is it possible to automatically ban for 5-20 minutes anyone who posts in the idpol thread? The thread should also be pinned to the last page.
>>211039 >Not that guy but there a straw poll created in the idpol general about banning the incelposter and it got roughly the same amount of NOs The exact opposite happened, it got the same amount of "yes ban incels" votes.
>>211053 Why are you lying? >>211043
>>211043 >110 votes >in favor of not banning incels Hmmmmmm
He's banned now.
>>211058 Is this damage control?
>>211058 I saw what I saw... I don't know why it's so unbelievable, the poll is a loaded question to begin with.
>>211060 mods=gods
>>211060 Peace at last.
>>211038 >""""""""""""posters"""""""""", you mean the singular shitposter who before I even spoke to, had been spamming ad hom in the exact same fashion for nearly 3 hours? You admitted yourself that you baited him. This was what really caused the thread to meltdown. The thread has been here since the 8chan shutdown and it never got this bad. You also were talking to several people but were somehow able to convince the mods and Comatoast that it was all one person. Whatever, you all have been trying to get rid of the thread since it started, it is entirely because of the anti-feminism that it fosters, which really never manifests elsewhere on bunkerchan.
>>211068 >Whatever, you all have been trying to get rid of the thread since it started, it is entirely because of the anti-feminism that it fosters, Idk about that guy but for me personally it was when he called for extreme redistribution and equality that I knew was the point of no return.
>>211068 >You admitted yourself that you baited him. Read the thread, all he does is reply the exact same way with continuous ad hom. I left and he came back instantly and began doing the exact same thing. My influence on the outcome of his shitposting was 0.
>>211070 If the discussion has gone to shit then stop posting there. There are many good thread on leftpol more deserving of attention.
>>211069 >Read the thread, all he does is reply the exact same way with continuous ad hom. Yeah because you were purposely fucking with him. After awhile anyone would lose patience. >I left and he came back instantly and began doing the exact same thing. Again with this false narrative. You shouldn't be able to know if it's the same person if it this board is really anonymous. Calling someone a "tranny" is a very common insult on Chans. >My influence on the outcome of his shitposting was 0. You got BTFO'd and were able to bait responses with troll posts. The mods let you get away with it and let you pass off this lie that it was all the incels doing the posts.
>>211070 >Read the thread, all he does is reply the exact same way with continuous ad hom. You were in there with him replying the whole way through. And way more of your posts were shitposts. If he got banned you should to, since this is about "cancer". And not pushing a political agenda right?
>>211077 He was banned for rigging the polls. Nothing more.
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It's a simply solution, don't allow bait/troll responses/posts in the idpol thread. You're all having an aneurysm about a shitposting fest that lasted not even a day. You all have had it out for that thread since the beginning.
>>211079 Except i never did rig any polls. As i already stated you got the wrong person. The person rigging the polls was almost certainly >>211028. Just check his history.
>>211080 Best solution right here.
>>211079 >He was banned for rigging the pols. Nothing more. You're just going on what the "cancer kiddo" said. The "cancer kiddo" WANTS a separate board, not the anti-feminst posters.
>>211074 >>211077 Lets run down the events: >Before I even came in: obvious adhom spam in the same style for 3 hours >during my time there: obvious adhom spam in the same style for the 1.5 hours I was there >after I left: obvious adhom spam in the same style for god knows how long
purge the incel
>>211080 idpol cancer has existed far longer than a day and that thread has been needing to be delt with for much longer than this. This is just the catalyst which caused it all to spill over. We have been talking about the idpol thread for a while now.
>>211085 You're every bit the problem, and I'd argue even more of the problem, than the "tranny" incel poster. Like I said the idpol cyclical has been up for months and never experienced problems this bad. You got BTFO'd for a while, then decided to get revenge by getting under the incelposters skin. Like I said just don't allow for bait/troll posts, PROBLEM SOLVED and it would give breathing room to other idpol topics.
>>211081 >I alright so he has unlimited Ips and has for sure been hopping during his posts.
>>211088 >idpol cancer has existed far longer than a day and that thread has been needing to be delt with for much longer than this. This is just the catalyst which caused it all to spill over. We have been talking about the idpol thread for a while now. Which only proves my point. And plenty of people have expressed support (doesn't mean they like it) for it remaining. You've been rabidly "anti idpol" since 8chan which has been abused to hell and back to cover up deeply reactionary beliefs. There it was racism, here it's not misandry.
>>211091 >alright so he has unlimited Ips and has for sure been hopping during his posts. This is exactly the kind of shitposts that should be deleted and banned. It's intended to sow seeds of discord against opponents. Everyone is pretty smart here so they see it coming and react, many times poorly. If you make an accusation like that you should be required to have proof. Not just cast aspersions which has been the Modus Operandi of the feminist posters in the idpol thread.
>>211084 I have been watching that poster for a few days. I am fairly certain he was the one responsible for rigging the polls at this point. Also, if one of you is trying to goad us into making a new board that isn't a good sign to me.
>>211092 *here it's misandry
>>211090 >You got BTFO'd Maybe in your fantasy dreamland sure.
>>211091 Nope, first time i do this to evade the unjust ban. >>211096 A shame you can't see the truth.
>>211096 >I have been watching that poster for a few days. I am fairly certain he was the one responsible for rigging the polls at this point. Seriously, how could you tell anything about a completely separate website you have no admin rights to?
Please stop accusing each other of trying to rig the polls plz thank you
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>>211102 >t. poll rigger
Is everyone here european? It's really late in burgerland.
>>211104 I am burger that just woke up >>211049 If the idpol thread must be sacrificed to purge the incels, then let this be the way.
>>210944 Honestly not a bad suggestion
>>211105 >Waking up at 5am disgusting
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>>211100 In the idpol thread. He's very obvious, lol. I've made a new poll: https://www.strawpoll.me/19219693 Let's see what happens.
>>211106 God the fuck no. You want to infest the board with even MORE of that cancer? I would rather it just be fucking axed at that point. HEll no.
>>211107 I always try to wake up an hour or so before gf so I can make breakfast for her for when she wakes up
>>211108 How is that even possible to make 101 votes in less than 1 min.
>>211108 <100+ votes >6 mins
>>211111 also check'd
>>211111 (me) my bad it's been 6 mins
>>211104 Yea I'm European but don't you burgers have to work? I'm at work rn why you all shitposting in the early morning if Monday?
>>211111 (me) fucking hell wasted my first time
>>211111 Holy shit fucking quints
>>211108 Same shit, different result. >>211107 Not that anon, but I have no idea why I’m waking up at 5 no matter when I sleep.
seeing that the polls are being rigged, likely by outside interference, I think it's a good idea to repost this: "Containment strategy was a proven failure with /pol/ exactly because /pol/ always had outside support from Stormfront, so they wouldn't slowly die out the same way /mlp/ did or how furries did with /trash/ because their intent was never just having a board, but crushing all dissent against rightist viewpoints. The same was true for incels - reactionaries at heart, they can't tolerate the presence of conflicting viewpoints and only want to suppress the viewpoints of people who want social and material emancipation for everyone because it means freedom for women. They've always been an anti-socialist presence, an openly reactionary group."
>>211108 Based and accurately predicted, although why would he rig the poll after you just said he would? Do you think it's an automatic bot that scans the site for strawpolls?
>>211111 It's not. Nearly identical outcome. This will have to be up to the staff to decide.
>>211120 Nah, he's just not that sharp is my guess.
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>>211111 Hey man all that shit aside can we just bask in these motha fuckin' quints my niggas. For real.
itd be nice to have a place to talk about stuff thats idpol but still interesting like gender abolitionism. in a politically incorrect but still productive place. thats why i think we should keep the thread or make a new board. just banning idpol would be a shame
>>211129 the real issue is the incels that inhabit it, not the thread itself imho.
>>211130 This. It's pretty obvious if you actually take a look at the thread.
>>211111 What this amazing get said
It'd be strange to kind of award their bad behavior with a board over other board-requests that come from a genuine place (like /lang/). Just be a bit more authoritarian upon the rabid fascism masquerading in the idpol thread.
>>211139 I brought this up to the other admins. I feel like they are coming around on the new board shit.
>>211049 Why is giving them a board even an option? Give them 0 place to congregate. Fuck them
>>211153 this tbh, the incels have proven that firm action is an actual requirement now, every attempt at reconciliation they have blown. anything less than combating them is Neville Chamberlain tier appeasement by limp-dick morons
>>211001 >Furthermore, again, if it's doing such a "decent job" why are we even having this fucking conversation? Literally because one guy got mad at incelposter and started spamming the board with rigged polls and "DELET IDPOL GULAG NOW!!!". Now, incelposter is a fucking moron, but he could easily be avoided by simply hiding the idpol thread. There is no real problem, and every proposed solution will create new ones.
>>211176 >simply hiding the idpol thread. But people want to use the idpol thread...
>>211179 If you want to use the idpol gulag you’re free to do so, but remember it’s called gulag for a reason.
No fuck off stupid idea.
>>211176 The current situation has it's own problems you fucking moron. You can't just ignore something that cancerous abd it will go away. You have to neutralize it. Just get ready d if it abd ban all idpol, or, give it aboard so the mods can actually do their jobs
There is a much greater need and want for you to stop bumplocking threads and such, there was a clear vote on it with a clear majority. Why are you doing this bullshit instead? Do what you are asked
>>211184 Wow much intellectual. Very smart. Seriously when did leftypol become this much of knuckle dragging degenerates?
>>211186 That wasn't even the vote you fucking retaed, lmao.
>>211185 >ban all idpol Queue the mods banning literally everything they don’t like and bending over backwards to call it idpol, which they already do with “off topic” and “low quality” but really it’s just ban stuff I don’t like
>>211189 Oh horse shit. Fuck ofg you alarmist faggot. T. Guy who got his shitty thread deleted.
>>211189 ITT: Sage
>>211187 The boards decline happened when whiney bitch mods decided to start banning/locking/ deleting everything. In every instance it has been a huge negative. It started with old BO and his shit legacy has continued >>211188 The vote was a clear indication that the board wants a more hands off mod policy
Not supporting the idea of new board, especially after you guys just scrapped /tech/(which arguably had quality posters).
>>211196 Wow sage now THAT is reaching.
>>211197 That was over 4 months ago. Also >>211141
>>211196 FUCK OFF SAGE LOL
if those fags can't contain themselves, then just fucking purge all of them how many times some idpol fag crawled out of his pit crying how some fag hurt his fee fees in idpol gulag? enough is enough
>>211199 Point still stands. Just tell these fags to stay in their thread or go to leftytrash or something.
>>211198 >>211193 >>211200 lol paranoia, the vote shows a majority of posters, so no it isn’t sage, it is one of the majority of posters who voted strongly agree
>>211204 nu leftytrash is just a discord tranny circlejerk
>>211141 You are the absolute worst of the admins
>>211207 ITT: Sage
>>211203 Fucking, legit, this. Idpol is clearly nothing but cancer.
>>211206 Suits the idpolfags well then.
>>211209 I’m not sage. The majority of the board agrees. Fun allowed. End of discussion. Or do you not believe in democratic centralism?
>>211141 >I feel like they are coming around on the new board shit. how is moderating one thread harder than moderating a whole new board? just ban spam and let them spiders in a jar eat each other
>>211205 Only some one as widely autistic as sage could connect <Communist anime girls discourse too >Everyone voted that mods should stop bump locking so many threads. That isn't even close to what happened and you know it you whiny little bitch.
>people believing idpol exists wew
>>211217 This is just hilarious. Did sage fuck your waifu or something? How can you be so mad over a poster on a nile delta basket weaving forum? The vote was literally to allow more threads of an “off topic” but fun nature with a lefty bend. It was a vote for fun instead of no fun. I get that you voted strongly disagree, and we’re one of few people to do so, but we are making /leftypol/ fun again and there is nothing you can do about it you dumb slag so deal with it
MAKE /LEFTYPOL/ FUN AGAIN LOCK COMATOAST UP
>>211209 Put you flag back on
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>Creating a new board for the most toxic and shitty discussion Why? It will just be a fucking poisonous scab on the side of Bunkerchan, possibly attracting worse and worse users with time. I never fucking touch the containment thread, but it really shouldn't be deleted as it will only unleash the septic shit all over the board, thus the only real solutions here are leave it as it is or nuke it with every single poster in it, and I'd say the former is a better choice. I do have 2 suggestions though, 1. An absolute zero-tolerance policy should be enforced on breaching the containment, no matter who does it. A derailing discussion about the dogpill or some other insane incel shit in another thread? Delete. "Muh intersectionalism" discussion? Delete. Unless you are a newfag (and mods can see it), strict punishment must be conducted for discussing idpol outside it's gulag, with a permaban being the ultimate one for repeated violation. 2. This is just a small suggestion that might need further discussion, bumplock the gulag. From my experience it takes a while for a thread to die, so it wouldn't be much of a problem if it has to be recreated monthly or if a mod has to manually unlock and bump it back.
>>211232 Bumplock has been suggested before, by the most notorious sage no less, and is a good idea IMO. Think he said basically lock it until it drops to the bottom, then unlock and bump to top but then immediately lock it again, so it exists but is out of sight
>>211232 >>211234 that is just a discount /trash/ option, and we already know that containment doesn't work on reactionares. The only option is the purge.
>>211235 The idpol gulag has been doing an extremely effective job I’d say. People are pretty good at pointing out idpol threads and pointing posters to the gulag. The incel insanity and trans posting tends not to leak into everything else these days. Job done. Don’t know why we are talking about it besides comatoast wanting to distract from losing the fun vote and wildly lashing out
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>>211227 Coma is literally the only one fighting for anything right now you fucking dumb ass.
>>211236 because A) the incel posters leak all the time into other threads B) they are open reactionaries and only growing more reactionary as it goes on, which is not a good thing for a leftist space C) we are at the point where most everyone hides the idpol gulag from browsing, so if the entire userbase minus dumbshit reactionaries does everything they can to not acknowledge its existence, then it has clearly no reason to continue being a part of the community. We don't give a shit about authoritarian or libertarian moderation, all we care about is effective moderation and thus far the incel containment has not been effective and reflects poorly on a leftist mongolian basket leaving forum.
>>211236 >The incel insanity and trans posting tends not to leak into everything else these days Hmm, I seem to recall a few breeches over the past months, and hence I suggest to tighten up the punishment for breaching
>>211238 He is only fighting for his own personal crusades not what the board actually wants or needs. The other mod in the strawpoll thread has it right. MAKE LEFTYPOL FUN AGAIN =LOCK HIM UP == And just why on earth would you want to give incels and intersectionalists their own entire board when they are safely locked in a single cell gulag? It doesn’t make any sense st all. Comatoast is completely retard
>>211244 Breaches definitely happen but in general it’s gotten better, they also generally seem to happen when one poster because extra enraged that day and decides to sperg out
>>211243 Honestly the idpol gulag was basically working until incel idpol became a massive black hole sucking out any other form of discussion and eventually just taking the form of inane name calling as practical fascists started saying anyone that argued against their bullshit was a liberal or tranny. I don’t care about debating idpol in the gulag, the problem was when the prisoners started taking over the prison
>>211243 Nah it keeps them at arms length but at the end of the day they need to be somewhere around. We definitely do not want an idpol board flourishing into some leftist wizchan that would be the ultimate stain on our reputation and that is basically what you are giving them
>>211244 Eh, the breaches were dealt with pretty effectively imo, they were dealt with quick at any rate. The real problem is that the Incels managed to create an environment so cancerous in the gulag that a massive septic spill was becoming inevitable.
>>211247 >>211250 These posts are true. It is annoying you can’t discuss race or actual feminism in there but I don’t think that warrants a whole idpol board still
>>211247 >>211250 Have to agree. A thing that must be realized is that there is a severe difference between an MRA and an incel. The former actually has some good points about male problems in our society and they can have a pretty quality discussion. Incel shares some common ideas, but is also a blackpilled retard with idiotic conspiracy theories and pathologies that has as little place on this board as an ancap or a polyp. I really don't get why it is controversial to say ban all incels
>>211247 This is a correct take, if it was literally any other kind of reactionary taking over a containment thread we'd be up in fucking arms over such a thread even existing to begin with, led alone them openly acting in our board. >>211248 >at the end of the day they need to be somewhere around No they don't, they have no leftist values and constantly act antagonistically to socialist projects. Crack their backs and ban their asses, give them no quarter. >>211250 Also true, the issue is soley the incels - not the idpol gulag itself. The idpol gulag would be "fine", as fine as the idpol gulag can be, if we just purge the incels from it.
>>211232 I wouldn't be against bump-locking it, tbh. But, you don't think that is going to slowly leak onto the main page as less and less people will become aware of its existence? seems like a double edge sword to me. >>211245 The reason we wanted to make a board for it was because it is bleeding out into the board, as you can clearly tell. People get sick of posting in the sticky, dealing with the same thread for months on end and the same retards so they end up comming out here and bitching about it. Also, there is a number of people who can evade bans through shuffling their ip's around so banning them is pointless. If they had their own board then it would be easier to control them, but, now that I am looking at it I am just favoring nuking it all together, as, idpol and the like are clearly incredibly corrosive. Currently I think we should just git rid of it and all the cancer that comes with it. As far as me "fighting for my own personal crusades" I would like to ask you to explain that one better to me. What crusades am I going on? I am allowed to have opinions about how things should and shouldn't be, but, the vote is looking like it isn't going to go in my favor and, as I have said before, I am totally fine with that. It doesn't bother me at all. That's how things should work. But this isn't some reddit Q&A If you want to talk to me about something just take it to the gulag. That is all I am going to post about that.
>>211235 idpol thread was doing impeccable job until like today.
>>211260 Nah, I have encountered a ton of leaks. Also, frankly, just looking at the fucker makes me sick.
>>211260 no it hasn't been - they've been leaking since a few months ago, and the same offenders have continually leaked with no regards to any kind of warning given to them. The fact that we have to have a fucking population of these morons to babysit to begin with is a disgrace and a waste of the vol team's time and our own, even if the idpol gulag didn't leak.
>>211254 Honestly I had absolutely no problems with the MRAs and agreed with many of their points, I was happy to debate them, the Incels however were fucking things.
>>211262 It happens maybe once every two weeks you come to the board and some incel has lost the plot, but the mods are pretty good at sweeping up straight away. If we can them entirely they will just go into super sperg and we will never here the end of it. If we give them an entire board it will become lefty wizchan and be a total embarrassment
>>211266 Because you only care about yourself and the former might solve your problems but the former's would not as their problems are already solved for you. Like how whites don't fight white supremacy.
>>211267 So maybe the only solution really is an incel purge? Personally I try to be impartial, neither pro nor ban anyone, but if a new board will be an even worse eyesore, and deleting the gulag will cause all the toxins to spill out, and the mods going full Stasi and banning all idpol is just too much for several reasons, maybe purging is the only solution
>>211269 Or maybe it’s because the MRAs weren’t psychotically myopic and irrational and could actually be debated? At least the MRAs didn’t resort to sperging out and just name-calling anyone that disagreed with them
>>211271 The incels will just evade the bans constantly. It happened right here in this thread. RTFT
I wonder if having /r9k/esque board would attract incels from rest of the chans. That would be really funny.
>>211274 kek, I wonder if it would contain them. Nah, it's the same outcome as the idpol board-lefty wizard chan
>>211273 If it's the same either way, then having a policy of partial tolerance is only more retarded. Why give them a safe space when all they do is be rule-breaking cretins.
>>211273 Catspammer fag evades bans, does that mean he shouldn't be banned?
>>211271 Nah the solution is what we have now is fine. Keep them where we can see them >>211274 Kek to be fair maybe we could generate some school shooters for our side that way
>>211276 Yeah, but, "incel posting" is too nebulous of a term to be effective.
>>211272 hate to break it to you but the MRAs were probably just the current incel posters hiding their power level. Once they found purchase, they went mask off. >>211280 I think it's pretty obvious what incel posting is like at this point - just look at >>211279 , can single that out in a nanosecond
>>211282 >ban anyone who BTFOs my sex pest ass Put your flag back on, coward.
>>211279 >>211282 I shitposted so hard you are still seething up until now and the entire leftypol mod team tries to launch nukes. A good day.
>>211282 (me) shit, meant to link >>211145
>>211285 Debating on launching nukes.*
Ngl...Incels wouldn’t be an issue if they were actually interested in discussing Marxism and debating solutions to their problems that aren’t tantamount to “enslave the femoids” If they would learn and listen they’d be welcomed, certainly Incels should be changed from their reactionary ways and made into comrades, unfortunately they desired not to listen, but rather to dominate, and that was the actual problem. And unlike other reactionaries we’ve encountered here in the bunker, the Incels were insistent on childish insults rather than reasoned debate, even the Nazis that blunder their way in here try being rational in their own retarded way, whereas the Incels treated this like one of their echochambers.
>>211291 they are just reactionary politics mixed with the wokeoid twitter style of community management
>>211291 See? you just make things up. The one enslaving women has no problem getting them into bed. You literally have no response to this except ignoring or denying.
(thanks for proving my point by leaking btw)
>>211291 Bro there were like 30 links posted to relevant papers and the only response was screeching on the part of tranny-poster which resulted in the shitposting we all witnessed.
>>211289 Yeah but what about more nebulous shit like miraculously talking about enslaving women and doing it in a way that isn't totally, or, obviously, disruptive? Apply dialectical reasoning to your mode of thought; these faggots will not give up. They will simply adapt.
do not reply to incel bait
>>211293 >It’s easy to fuck women when they can’t refuse Yea...that’s...kinda the point of enslaving someone....
>>211296 >>211293 Or what about this? Would something like this be banworthy?
>>211298 Mods encourage incel bait >>207256
>>211298 Nah let them expose themselves. Maybe bans will follow.
>>211299 *The one who wants to
Fucking Christ, now the Incels are leaking into this thread to call everyone that discusses what should be done with them a liberal or tranny. I think they’ve made the argument for us, I tried saying they’d be welcomed if they debated and were rational, instead they came here to prove why they should just be purged. Fuck it
>>211305 He can't help himself. It's some kind of disability that goes beyond basic social retardation.
>>211291 >And unlike other reactionaries we’ve encountered here in the bunker, the Incels were insistent on childish insults rather than reasoned debate, even the Nazis that blunder their way in here try being rational in their own retarded way, whereas the Incels treated this like one of their echochambers. >mfw /leftypol/ has more sympathy and patience for Nazis whose ideology taken the lives of 10's of millions of proles and takes 100 lives each year in burgerland alone, than poor male workers made that they can't get laid. When are you guys just going to admit you're a more pathetic version of "Weird Twitter", mixed in with the insecure posturing of "Something Awful" forums.
If you don't like it then leave.
>>211305 >Fucking Christ, now the Incels are leaking into this thread Well we are talking about them...
>>211308 Fuck off you absolute nigger. All you do apart from posting your retarded incel cringe is make shitty emotional arguments about how it is not nice to ban you.
>>211308 Oh cut the gaslighting you fucking faggots. Either learn to behave or fuck off.
tbh the most infuriating thing about incelposters is the way they molest Marxist ideology. I don't really care much about standard /r9k/ style posting, but faggotry like applying Marxist socioeconomics to fucking high school dating dynamics pisses me off to no end. Idk how you'd consistently enforce that but personally if I was mod/admin that kind of moronic vulgar revisionism would earn you an instant permaban. Anything else, even edgy "state-mandated gfs now" posting is fine or at least tolerable. Raping Marx's corpse like that is not.
>>211247 >the problem was when the prisoners started taking over the prison quit your whining idpolfag you're all fucking lunatics, it's laughable that you try to portray yourself as some better kind of cancer than incels you lunatics have your asylum all for yourself to run it is YOUR fucking problem, why should we even bother?
I was going to make one long effort post on the reasons why idpol should not be allowed on /leftypol/ or at the very least incels should be purged from the containment thread but I think the incel(s) here are making a much better case for this than I could ever have.
>>211313 >I hate it here on leftypol! <BUT ALSO PLEASE LET ME STAY!!!!
>>211320 Fucking truly; keks were had.
>>211320 buddy, are you having a seizure? please, stop posting get help
>>211308 Blessed mods.
so let me clear this out, because I'm getting confused here with all the screeching retards by purging idpol, we mean idpol in general right? not specific incel idpol as some anon screeching in this thread demand right? because we need balance, incel idpol and radfem idpol cancel each other out, if you take one out, you'll undermine the balance, and idpol will spiral out of control purge them all, or not purge them at all
>>211296 >miraculously talking about enslaving women and doing it in a way that isn't totally, or, obviously, disruptive They are about as subtle as an elephant with dysentery. There is only so many ways to phrase "women should be forced to have sex with me" and it isn't something that you can cloak in left-wing rhetoric in a convincing way. >>211300 >Or what about this? Would something like this be banworthy? Any and all incel talk should be banworthy because it is at its fundamental base incompatible with leftism. We have to enforce the terror on them until they fuck off, and then if some other incels come along and actually want to learn rather than shit up the place then we will let them. The issue is the current incels and their bullshit, and they have to be surgically removed to stop this bullshit.
>>211334 Who will rise to bring balance to the idpol force?
>>211339 >Haha, I have bypassed the ban! Ok buddy.
>>211341 This, the problem with incels isn't their inceldom, but how they insult any and everyone while wrapping their inceldom in marxist terminology and failing spectacularly
>>211350 Basically this, this started when Incels made it impossible to just discuss shit, even the odd NatSoc will reply to ideas and arguments, rather than hurling infantile insults
>>211334 Basically, yeah. Though, there's been, some, discussion on maybe being easier on "idpol" that has as more distinct class character too it, but, for the most part yes. And, from the ban evasions, I would say that it's deff all or nothing at this point, personally.
>>210994 Name it idpol quarantine or something begrudging like that maybe. Show it’s not really accepted by the rest of the site.
>>211373 >ban evasions are on the incel side. Why do you insist on this both sides bad framework?
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>>211334 >because we need balance, incel idpol and radfem idpol cancel each other out, if you take one out, you'll undermine the balance, and idpol will spiral out of control THANK YOU BASED DAOIST ANON But in seriousness, as the OP of this thread, I am starting to lean more towards the side of just purging the current crop of incels or maybe just one crazy incel to clean the slate. As others have said, it's not simply their reactionary views but their childish lack of ability to properly argue or consider other views that is the problem. If by doing so radfem posters rise too much to prominence and become an issue, we can ban them too. A garden must be pruned of the most stubborn weeds to be fruitful. Again as others have said, the incel poster/s have made a great argument in this thread why the best thing we could do is just to purge them.
>>211373 >Though, there's been, some, discussion on maybe being easier on "idpol" that has as more distinct class character too it slippery slope man also what kind of idpol has a distinct class character to it? any kind of idpol comes at the expense of class, it's in the fucking name
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>>211376 Because, to simpley target one group of people gets nebulous. Look at how it turns out with just us banning "reactionaries who are blatantly trolling" These people have crafted and honed the art of trolling. It can be difficult to parse out what is and is not "in good faith" or what is and is not "trolling." On the part of bad actors. That is why to me it is either black or white. Of course I am not the only admin or mod with a say. I am simply the most visible, atm; I am simply stating my points of view and opinions on the matter as too inform people to what I am thinking or not about it.
>>211049 Ban it 100%
>>211373 >that it's deff all or nothing at this point, personally. What does that mean?
>never ban any anti-incel idpol no matter how much they break the rules >see how good they are by never evading Let me guess you defend cops discriminating against black too?
>>211385 It means that either there is idpol or there is not. No inbetweens.
>>211386 The only person that was breaking rules while arguing with the Incels was the one posting all the anime pics tho...
>>211387 I choose no idpol please.
>>211387 if idpol has to go to purge the incels than idpol will go
>>210934 >Keep idpol, rightfully, off leftypol If we assume 1. a given and fixed amount of idpolers coming to Bunkerchan regularly and 2. that they identify as idpol like you identify them and also 3. that these people don't value getting attention when it's hostile, then the causal relationship you want is there. Otherwise… eeeh. I don't think I could come up with a worse idea if I tried (and I proposed a board that only allows emojis once).
>>211334 >>211373 >>211380 This is really stupid. For one, I literally can't remember the last time I saw a retarded radfem on leftypol, like literally not sure if I ever saw one. Then there is the fact that pic related exists, which, unlike with incels, gives mods full freedom to purge them if they ever rear their head. Meanwhile incels are the cause of the entire mess here. Purge incels, and idpol gulag might actually become, well it still be bad, but way better than now. Just look at how these idiots screech, they are no different in my book than lewd cat spammer. They don't contribute any real discourse, they have nothing to do with leftism, they constantly leak (unlike other idpol denominations) and so on. Idpol gulag is actually somewhat useful without them: redpill newfags against intersection, discus Sakai and other race war shit, actually have proper discussions with MRA's since they actually have good points, debunk pol race theory and so on.
>>211396 I'm agreeing with you though.
>>211389 >>211390 But what does this mean? Any mention of it or engaging in it? How do you identify it? What about jokes, what about saying nigga? Don't take the n-word.
>>211401 I just don't want bunkerchan to be this stupidpol equivalent where idpol becomes cringe pornography.
>>211396 I'm not against what the vol said: My only issue here is that, again, banning them is not enough. It will take constant maintenance to keep them off the site. They aren't as dull as you guys think. They know how to shuffle around their ip's and evade bans, and, they deff have honed their (albeit shitty) talking points. They are only screeching right now because they can. When we start curating that then they will become more nebulous and harder to identify and ban. That is my only concern with this line of reasoning.
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>>211400 Ah, sorry, meant for >>211383
>>211404 But they will do the same shit if we ban all idpol, so in reality the solution is either ban incels or not ban incels. If anything banning all idpol will cause more maintenance issues since there will be no place to discuss possibly important idpol topics, which will lead to idpol threads that will have to be deleted
>>211404 I don't wanna be rude, but you gotta deal with that shit fam.
>>211406 Not necessarily, because, if we ban all idpol we ban all idpol. It doesn't matter how well manicured your post about how oppressed men are as a class of people and that you sould have state mandated gf. Because it's not allowed.
>>211409 Of course, I don't have a problem with it. It's that I don't want people who are actually well meaning posters of the board to get banned inadvertently because the concepts we are talking about are so vague.
As i see it we have a couple options 1)a gulag idpol board which despite at first sounding like a good idea other anons have pointed out some problems (who will moderate,how can be protected from outside not-left leaning influence,incels will ruin it from the first day like the idpol thread) 2) No idpol Pretty much a harder stance on idpol by erasing the thread completely 3) PURGE Back to our Stalinist tradition ,seeing that incels are completely crazy all schizo idpol will be banned more theoretical idpol discussion or newfag questions will be allowed but Incels,poltatds ,yakubs wtvr get the ban hammer
>>211396 >I literally can't remember the last time I saw a retarded radfem on leftypol I meant radlib, aphabet soup lgbt folks, tho I've seen at least one radfem screeching about muh whomen outside of the gulag >Meanwhile incels are the cause of the entire mess here. no, it's incels and butthurt radlibs who cause the entire mess all I see is butthurt radlibs and screeching incels >Just look at how these idiots screech I look at you and I see screeching >They don't contribute any real discourse no shit, and neither do lgbt fags >Idpol gulag is actually somewhat useful without them look, I dont give a single fuck if its useful for discussion of idpol shit, I want idpol shit gone from my sight, and its not incesl who bring this shit drama out here for me to see
>>211417 But it wasn’t even the radlibs, idk if there even were radlibs in that shitfest argument considering the Incels were calling literally everyone that disagreed with them radlibs and trannies The only connective tissue was the cels, we got rid of the tranny that kept spamming the same argument over and over, the cels should go by the same logic
>>211416 3) of course
>>211413 Yea the way I see it, no matter what stuff you implement, you gotta throw down the banhammer one way or another.
Is it that hard to hide the thread? I never read the thread because I don't give a shit about idpol. Why are there so many people who offended by the contents of of a containment thread? The point of containment threads is to be easily ignorable.
Keep the gulag, come down hard as fuck on leaks, unless it’s just a newfag wandering in
>>211421 lol, I, again, deff don't have a problem with that. People just seem to want to burn down the house anytime a mistake is made, or, even when they are repremanded rather than maybe try and open up a constructive dialogue about the ban in question. That's the whole reason why we have /gulag/ and no one uses it. The constant bitching also shits up the board too. It's a feedback loop, of sorts.
If the only argument against purging the couple of incels that are shitting up the (already shitty) containment thread is the maintenance and workload that this would put on the mod team's shoulders then why not recruit one or two more mods?
>>211436 Dear god no we do not need more moderation
No. More. Fucking. Splits. We don't need a dozen dead boards with 0.5 PPH. The Idpol containment thread is doing exactly what it should. If people don't want incels in the idpol thread, create a separate incel cyclical. Bring back /leftytrash/. Make /hobby/ a cyclical. And don't split the fucking board when we have this few posts and users.
>>211440 for as shit as /hobby/ is, it being a cyclical would be a trillion times worse.
>>211439 Lol, >>211421 I don't mean to be rude, but, a lot of you are whiny little babies about the bans some times. There are some chans that ban people literally as a meme and those chans actually have a pretty good culture, ironically.
The problem is literally just two incel posters who want attention / are /pol psyops to fuck with this board. They really need to be banned like yesterday. If you had that, the idpol gulag would probably die, because people aren't really interested in writing about queershit which was 99% of the thread before incelposters showed up. If you want to create an idpol ghetto it's fine, but I won't be wasting my time there because it will basically be incelposter ranting about their particular spooks.
>>211440 This, fuck splits and fuck splitters. I do not agree with the recreation of leftytrash however. Just let fun threads live
>>211440 >create a separate incel cyclical. You managed to propose an even worse idea than creating an idpol board.
>>211442 The whiny little babies are the ones who can’t read words without flipping out
>>211436 >the maintenance and workload that this would put on the mod team's shoulders why not just ban everyone then? no people - no workload I propose to ban tankies first, let them taste their own medicine
>>211232 I approve of these suggestions.
>>211440 >Make /hobby/ a cyclical worst idea I ever heard, thanks
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>>211445 You have to come out of your hovel one day. There's a whole world outside the cave.
Idpol gulag is working fine. Bumplock it if you really must
>>211447 So, basically you, right now? lel.
>>211454 No I’m not the one asking to get people banned or sequestered to another board so I don’t have to look at their posts
>>211455 That isn't what was said at all you knuckle dragging tard fuck. Read the post or lurkmoar you fucking faggot.
>>211440 It has been suggested before that we have a cyclical for sexual politics and then another one for race and normal feminism etc
>>211440 I agree with everything in this post except this. >Make /hobby/ a cyclical.
>>211454 Incels are not people.
>>211441 Fine. Create /leftyv/, /a/, /tv/, /tech/ etc. cyclicals. And a mechanism for not bumping them off the catalog. Then link the top bar links to those threads. Splitters kill imageboards.
>>211442 as an example, /a/ is the only 4chan board which has really adverted any /pol/ subversion and their moderation is probably the tightest regulation post-snacks
>>211452 tbh I haven't had any interest in reading the thread since incelposter showed up. I don't even know who has the patience to give him free therapy. It's pretty obvious he's a psyop to derail threads rather than an actual person, or a useful idiot for them. The obvious answer is to do what you would do to any right-winger who repeatedly comes in bad faith - drop the banhammer.
>>211457 Feminism is sexual politics
>>211435 Alright man, whatever you all plan to do, make that shit quick so we can get this over with and like make memes and attract new posters.
>>211464 The non sexual parts, abortion rights etc
My only problem with the incel(s) in the containment threat is that they're not really leftists in any shape of form. That the guy is just here to do the idpol dance without contributing in other threads should be grounds for banning.
>>211466 How do you get in a position where abortion become possible?
>>211461 Want to double up on this guys sentiment. NO SPLITS Particularly over idpol god damn
>>211468 By having sex, incel.
>>211468 the products of sexuality aren't inherently of a sexual nature, otherwise all politics would be sexual because all people are the spawn of sexual interaction.
>>211461 Are we really about to listen to the unironic Kampuchea poster?
>>211469 It's not a split newfag it's the creation of a new board. Fucking lurkmoar you god damn cancerous faggots. Bunkerchan IS leftypol now.
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>>211465 THIS now we have de facto two idpol threads great job mods
>>211473 Aphrodite Areia please go home >>211474 for as shit as his suggestions are, splits are indeed bad. the incel board and hobby are both shit though, but that doesn't make his solutions to either good.
>>211466 Abortion "rights" are a part of the whole biopolitics / eugenics shit. So is all the sexual politics shit and queershit. It's something distinct from identity politics. It is a topic that should be countered with a clear line and de-spooking would be very helpful on this matter. If admin wants to create a separate board instead of a cyclical I don't see the big deal though.
>>211477 This is a valid point. So, before this devolves any further; I'm deleting the thread in 10 minutes, so, get in what you have to say now. I think we've more than had enough of this discussion for the time being. Especially enough to take back with us.
>>211480 >The thread is, right now, talking about the issue at hand. go check your eyesight
VIVA LA COMMUNE
>>211479 Abortion is only eugenics-adjacent in the context of capitalism due to the economic incentives for the lower classes not to reproduce. Discussion on how eugenics is dis proportionally affecting the poor is part of a wider context of how the proletariat exist in wider society, not part of a separate sexual politics, and especially not whatever the fuck you are saying. The socialist discussion of how child-bearing in society should be handled should revolve around the reimbursement of families who rear children as a societal labor and methods of reshaping society to lessen the individual labor needed to rear children. Hence why Marx/Engles talked about collective childrearing and the end of traditional family structures.
COMMUNISM OR BARBARISM
>>211481 Just no more splits please. Thx.
>>211481 What is the admin consensus on the incel question? What decision will you take? I can't seem to find it ITT.
>>211484 > Discussion on how eugenics is dis proportionally affecting the poor is part of a wider context of how the proletariat exist in wider society ffs everything dis proportionally affects the poor. That is the whole point of being poor.
Ban the incels. More trouble than they're worth and I don't think they can be converted to leftists. I feel for the poor sucker who would have to moderate the new incelboard, so let's not do that.
ONE BIG BOARD!
PROLETARIAT HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE AND EVERYTHING TO WIN
fffffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK INCELS
>>211486 Brother Number One is right
WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS?
>>211481 >I'm deleting the thread in 10 minutes Why is it still here?
>>211499 baboon nature
This thread won't be deleted. There is no rush and leaving it up give other vols and the community time to voice their opinion. .t other admin
>>211505 Je maintiendrai
>>211505 lmao, the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing the absolute state
>>211507 >"Je Maintiendrai," "I will maintain," is the motto of the House of Orange and Nassau, the Royal Family of the Netherlands. REEEE GET THE FUCK OUT ROYALIST
>>211505 Well that was anticlimactic
SEND INCELS TO /GULAG/ CREATE /tv/ /lit/ /tech/ AND SEND TRANNIES TO LEFTYTRASH
>>211505 What's your opinion on this other-admin-san?
>>211513 Fucking based; this LOL
>>211509 The other admin is very passionate and I have real life stuff to do. We live half a world apart. If you'd like we can stop coordinating entirely and not correct each other anymore?
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>>211491 volcels have made a far greater contribution to socialism than incels ever have.
volcels can be mildly based, I met an old monastery monk once who was pretty based
FIRST THEY CAME FOR INCELS, BUT I WASN'T INCEL...
>>211520 Stop bragging, chad
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>>211521 based admincel
>>211521 ADMIN IS CONFIRMED VOLCEL THIS POST WAS MADE BY THE VOLCEL GANG
>remove /tech/ >remove /dead/ <create /idpol/ I can't wait to see what happens on this site next! If you want tourists to talk about idpol, then have a board where that is allowed, but don't have a board just for idpol. A random/anything goes board would be suitable for that. But creating a /b/ board would be redundant, cause /GET/ exists, and you can't dictate they allow idpol or ban people here and then send them there. So you shot yourself in the foot with one site, two boards system. You also can't have a board that exists to "dispel spooks". People are not gonna go to a board whose stated mission is to change their mind; have you met a human before? Solution with what we have now? Move the idpol containment thread into /hobby/, ban idpol threads on /leftypol/. If the anon is right and that containment thread is fast, it might bring traffic to /hobby/, which it needs.
>>211533 why is everyone intent on finding ways of making /hobby/ even more shit
>>211534 I have no idea. >>211533 idpol doesn't belong on hobby because it isn't a hobby. identity politics is politics.
>>211534 Why does everyone hate my board :(
>>211533 > Move the idpol containment thread into /hobby/ No please. There are only few of us on /hobby/, the board will get inundated in their shit. Send them to leftytrash, or create idpol gulag on /gulag/ or /GET/ instead
>>211536 Because they want their own boards, Vol-san
>>211537 the best part of an idpol gulag on /GET/ is that the leadership of /GET/ will purge them for us, endlessly
>>211537 >create idpol gulag on /gulag/ Forgot about that place. No one goes there anyway. Yeah, /gulag/ is a much better place for it. >>211536 Because it's a solution without a problem. It'd be much better to split it up into boards for which there is a demand: /tech/, /lit/, /mu/, /tv/, etc.
>>211533 <idpol belongs in /hobby/ >>211537 >Send them to leftytrash nah that would be a shitshow
>>211542 lmao, literally throw them in the gulag.
>>211536 I was behind the concept to begin with, but it hasn't panned out too well. It's more a user-side issue with a lack of engagement than anything on the moderation end of it.
>>211247 Well said
>>211537 >create idpol gulag on /gulag/ this is the way rename /gulag/ into /meta/ or /q/ and create a separate /gulag/
In my opinion we should just nuke the idpol thread, add a rule that sais "Don't derail threads with idpol" and allow the mods to delete nonconstructive idpol threads >>211540 I wonder Admin-sama, do you support adding more boards?
We could make a new /gulag/ and let incelposter moderate it. And then we send everyone we don't like to it.
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>>211584 >Incels should become overseers and fuck over other inmates Sounds familiar
>>211600 >>211600 LMFAO, this guy is a real person
>>211600 Post the yellow incel star next please.
>>211462 /co/ as well
Sounds like a disaster. If the containment thread has failed, why would you want to give it its own official board instead of just wiping it out with the cancerous fags who perpetuate the bad behavior? If it is to exist, IMO, it should be a general quarantine for topics too autistic or controversial to discuss on the main board. I don't think naming it /idpol/ would be a good idea, as it's like having a /pol/ board on your site. It may be INTENDED as a general use board for a topic, but the name association will just flood it with faggots. The last thing I want is to have to deal with any more twitterfags or incelposters than we already have. Much less would I want them to have their own board where they can multiply and leak out as the thread has. I just feel like it's going to be a cancer magnet.
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>containment board for idpol >containment thread for incels within the containment board
>>210909 /idpol/ board seems like the best solution to this problem tbh
>>211581 >In my opinion we should just nuke the idpol thread, add a rule that sais "Don't derail threads with idpol" and allow the mods to delete nonconstructive idpol threads I like this solution now. Sure its subjective but that's always been part of moderation here and people can complains if some mods fuck up
>>211674 actually giving these people a board of their own is completely the opposite of what should be done. There should be a crack down.
>>211676 Like if someone makes a thread about Sakai(who comes up often around here) its stupid to not allow it cause of the no idpol rule. So it should only not be allowed if its derailing
>>211676 And then we're going to have incelposter raging over every single thread instead.
>>211680 no Sakaists should be banned
>>211536 I don’t hate your board, just it should be organic not a gulag for fun
>>211682 it happens regardless so may as well just get the formalities out of the way.
>>211538 >>211549 >>211551 >>211566 >>211569 >>211576 >>211586 >>211605 >>211619 >>211638 >>211644 >>211654 >>211660 >>211675 >>211685 >>211699 tell me why this discussion is productive in the context of a leftist community
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All this talk of banning id pol or incel-posting. What lengths as socialist will we go to silence people with legitimate concerns that can easily be co-opted to the Marxist goal of abolishing capitalism? This all just seems so counterproductive.
>>211704 Have you tried talking to the incelposters? They cannot be reasoned with in any way
>>211704 >that can easily be co-opted to the Marxist goal of abolishing capitalism? People have tried but at least the one incel in there doesn't want to see reason
>>211708 Our resident incel is very much not an Marxist. Sometimes he pretends that he has read Stirner but I wouldn't call him a socialist in any shape or form. His politics is entirely shaped around getting his dick wet and if that fails punich the roasties.
>>211712 >His politics is entirely shaped around getting his dick wet Everybody's is. Politics is about sex, it's as retarded to think as people do not care about being fed. >Thirteen-year olds are given the pill, for what doing?
>>211720 <Socialism is actually about getting laid
>>211720 I might be naive but I thought politics were about class struggle and not about how much Lenin fucked.
>>211720 >Everybody's is. Politics is about sex, it's as retarded to think as people do not care about being fed. actually all sex is about politics. political economy really
>>211728 side note, /ourboy/ busted a whole lotta nut
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HELLO I ARE KU KLUX KAT I HATE NIGGERS AND I ARE PROCLAIMING THAT LIBTARDS AND INCELFAGS ARE BOTH NIGGERS WE MUST SEND THEM BACK WHERE THEY BELONG
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>>210909 For every id-pol discussion that happens, a baby Koala dies. I cannot bear to see any more id-pol being discussed tbh, as it is obvious to me that these people don't care about the bigger things in this world. By all means, banish them from here; or if you prefer, give them their own shitty board.
>>211706 What is their to reason with? They claim they don't get laid cause people in society hoarde resources and cast outside those without. They're right. They may not be actual marxist, but in sex theory they are. >>211712 That's the problem. The majority of incels seemingly can't apply their thought to economics. My point is socialist should help them with that, not shun them.
>>211796 Aren't the Koalas technically extinct since the bushfires destroyed 80% of their habitat?
>>211822 >having sex is hoarding resources There's no theory like that. That's bloody mad.
>>211828 t. sex hoarder
>>211825 thus far its been said that the damage is overstated, but that might just be damage control by the Aussie government. No way to tell until the dust settles - unless they stay on fire forever and just become the Divide from Fallout NV or something.
>>211828 If you actually knew Marxist theory, or, any economic theory you would know that human-beings are not means of production/are not commodities/are not resources.
>>211838 Can koalas be imported abroad for them to find a new habitat or is there no other place that could suit them? Mandatory vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTdOQjmbAHY
>>211840 Humans treat each other like commodities when it comes to dating. There is also a limited amount of time peole have and number of partners they are willing to take so people are in competition over these things.
>>211841 Possibly, it's kept Pandas going this long, but it's really the species on life support more than anything else. They'd need their original environment to survive long term without human aid, so the aussies would have to unfuck themselves and stop setting shit on fire. >>211842 peak bouj ideology
>>211844 The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas
>>211845 did you have a stroke
>>211850 That's Karl Marx you fucking normie.
>>211856 mb, had a brain fart and though you just said the ideas of the ruling class are the ideas of the rulers
>>211825 no even before they were reported ‘functionally extinct’ because of low numbers and genetic bottleneck
>>210909 LMAO at cis white men. "The ruthless criticism of everything, except racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia because as a cis white man it makes me feel bad".
>>211895 Can we have ruthless criticism of every idpol topic including white men on a board that isn't here?
>>211916 No, like why would we have a board specifically for people who aren't raxists, sexists or phobic on a left wing website? Its like you guys are saying "no don't talk about bad things, keep quite so /pol/ lurkers and strasserites don't feel hurt!" Like this just seems like another of the many ways people on the website express their tailism. You all seem think that if you act like /pol/ then you'll win them over. You won't, all you're doing is reinforcing what they believe. You're not going to win /p[ol/ over by telling them that socialism is socially conservative, you won't win them over by telling them jews run capitalism, you won't win them over with any of it.
>>211923 You do realise that being like pol/ is idpol right? One of the main reasons some people from that board headed over here was because we don't go around saying "nigger this, nigger that", we do this not out of fear or hate of idpol but because strays away from actual topics such as historical materialism and general economics, idpol only makes any sense if there's material reason for it to be there otherwise it's just nonsense, racism isn't bad because muh morals it's bad policy for an efficient and sustainable society, what anybody thinks of gays, blacks, women ultimately doesn't matter if there is no material way or reason for them to engage in their idealism.
>>211840 Yes they are. They can be. There's nothing that prevent that. Maybe you intend that the workers aren't mop/commodities/resources.
>>211949 No they are not, when you become a commoditie you become a slave not a prole
>>211961 You fucking idiot can you read?
Seems to me like an excuse to move all discussion to a containment board. That never ends well. I would like to continue having productive discussions about identity politics here.
>>211938 Well that's because what marxist feminists and others say *isn't* idpol. People call J. Sakai idpol, but whether you agree with settlers or not, J. Sakai isn't saying white settlers haven't expressed class unity with colonised people because they have white skin, its because of the material conditions of the USA that it is a country set up for the benefit of settlers. Marxist-Feminist don't men oppress them because they have penises, its because sexism is a material system set up to exploit women for the benefit of men. Idpol is metaphysics, like The Nation's Islam's assertion white people are bad because they're some lesser race created by Yakub, that's idpol. People like J. Sakai or W. E Debois (though he wasn't explicitly materialist) don't say that white people have some intrinsic thing that makes them bad, its because of the structure of society. And it provable, since now the Chinese are doing colonialism as well, and they're white are they?
>>211969 we don't exactly because of incels though
>>211973 Mindbogglingly stupid take because: A: Sakai repeatedly claims white people are bad to their core. There is absolutely nothing remotely materialist in his analysis. He's probably a fed. He has no face. He has no life story. He just wrote one book to shit on a section of the working class then gave some interviews about it with some goober ass obscure lefty publications nobody has ever heard of. B: What the actual fuck do you think colonialism is? Where are China's colonies again?
>>211973 >arxist-Feminist don't men oppress them because they have penises, its because sexism is a material system set up to exploit women for the benefit of men Those two things sound literally exactly the same.
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>>211969 > productive discussions about identity politics in practice, it's cancer permeated by rad-libs. fuck off. you people are doing the work of oil-companies.
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>>211949 Maybe try actually reading something by Marx rather than just basing your opinions off the hot-takes you heard on twitter and 4chan you poser.
>>211828 You must not get out much. The point I was making is modern women in the west are conditioned to be attracted to men of higher economic class. And as Marxist do we not believe class heirarchy is largely fucked up?
>>212030 t. can't get women to fuck him because he keeps ranting about how they should be forced to fuck him
>>211049 No appeasement for the idpol bastards. Just flush it and be done with that cancer.
Is there any good reason for not banning incelposting and be done with it? Board quality would skyrocket.
this is stupid just keep it the way it is and allow these niggas to fight it out i enjoy the arguing anyway its fun
>>212057 Oh for fucks, you don't even know what idpol is. You are basically saying that full support of the black panthers, discussion of J. Sakai, Silvia Federicci and hundreds of non-white marxists and materialists should be banned.
>>212030 Yes women prefer men with more ressources than them, but this is true for all women across time and culture. It is an innate trend called hypergamy mostly caused by evolutionary psychology. See the problem with focusing on capitalism so much is that it can give you an biased analysis. What you have to realise that not every single human interaction ever is the result of capitalism. >>212033 People like me that are redpilled about women usually make it a rule to never talk about this subject with real women. Nothing good comes of it and interacting with women can be just fine by acting a apolitical guy.
>>212069 Can you idpolers stop posting out of containment. Thanks.
>>212073 So saying hypergamy exist for biological reasons is idpol now?
>>212074 yes, retard.
>>212077 That's pathetic not gonna lie.
>>212074 you literally said not every single human interaction ever is the result of capitalism, when all human relationships happen in the context of capitalism. biological essentialism is also both wrong and idpol.
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>>212069 >See the problem with focusing on capitalism so much is that it can give you an biased analysis C O P E
>>212081 >when all human relationships happen in the context of capitalism We just happen to live in a capitalistic society, but this does not mean capitalism has the superpower of influencing all human biases 24/7. >biological essentialism is also both wrong and idpol I am not talking about biological essentialism, just hypergamy and it's evolutionary inception. >>212083 This is why people make fun of you by saying marxists ignore human nature.
>>210922 >TL;DR just open up a bunkerchan subreddit if you’re going to do this. Kek and check'd
>>212087 >We just happen to live in a capitalistic society, but this does not mean capitalism has the superpower of influencing all human biases 24/7. the ruling mode of production is what shapes the social superstructure, so all social interactions are characterized by existing within the systems of capitalism. >I am not talking about biological essentialism, just hypergamy and it's evolutionary inception. so essentialism with extra steps. >This is why people make fun of you by saying marxists ignore human nature. yup, essentialism
>>212087 The ultimate contradiction in the universe as a whole is between materialism and idealism, or that which is dying and that which it is rising. There were contradictions that pre-date class society such as gender oppression. But if you live in a capitalist society, class subordinates these to make it work for it. So functionally, class is the primary contradiction, but equally people who want to ignore racism, sexism, LGBT+ rights don't realise all of it is bound up in the overall class war.
>>212093 >so all social interactions are characterized by existing within the systems of capitalism Sure, but the idea that 100% of the variation of interactions are therefore the result of capitalism is retarded. >yup, essentialism Just a question do you think humans evolved and that this has had any impact on modern society at all?
>>212099 >Sure, but the idea that 100% of the variation of interactions are therefore the result of capitalism is retarded. The way all social interactions take place is irrevocably altered by ruling ideology in society, so yes, all interactions are a result of capitalism now-a-days. >Just a question do you think humans evolved and that this has had any impact on modern society at all? Evolution has very little bearing on human social interrelations beyond intrinsic properties like facial recognition. All of higher society is a human construct and human alone, not that created of nature, but made by man to elevate itself above nature. Thus, all social behavior within civilizations is primarily a result of social conditioning, not an inherent human nature.
>>212098 Either you or me are missing the point. I am not talking about any contradictions here, but rather human biases that do not result from capitalism. >>212108 >The way all social interactions take place is irrevocably altered by ruling ideology in society, so yes, all interactions are a result of capitalism now-a-days. >if something influences all interactions it must automatically be responsible for 100% of the variance Bro this is just dumb. >Evolution has very little bearing on human social interrelations beyond intrinsic properties like facial recognition. >All of higher society is a human construct and human alone, not that created of nature, but made by man to elevate itself above nature. >Thus, all social behavior within civilizations is primarily a result of social conditioning, not an inherent human nature Everything you said is false. Evolutionary psychology explains far more than you give it credit for. Neither is society a result from man elevating his own nature, but rather a result of said nature. And what is to say "social conditioning" is not in and of itself a product of natue? The common mistake you make is that you try to think about this "logically" where "logic" refers to fancy little lines of reasoning with 0 (zero) evidence to back it up, but it sounds cool so it must be true.
>>212108 Why do people care about surviving and having sex? It can't be because of capitalism because they always did. Of course economics has an impact in how this plays out in particular but capitalism does not exist in a fucking vacuum. Behaviorism was refuted decades ago.
>>212115 >Evolutionary psychology explains far more than you give it credit for It is idealistic nonsense as much as any non-materialist analysis is. >Neither is society a result from man elevating his own nature, but rather a result of said nature Society is an explicit act of man to separate humanity from nature so as to better ensure group survival. Ergo, all the people who clamor for the return of survival of the fittest or whatever are not only wrong in the theory of evolution, but contradict the prime directive of civilization itself. >And what is to say "social conditioning" is not in and of itself a product of natue? Material analysis and how social relations form as per Hegelian thought. >The common mistake you make is that you try to think about this "logically" where "logic" refers to fancy little lines of reasoning with 0 (zero) evidence to back it up, but it sounds cool so it must be true. The common mistake you make is believing in things because they are comfortable and reinforce your preconceived notions of society as imbued to you by capitalism and liberalism. >>212118 Survival is the sole purpose of all life, which is why we created a society to begin with. Sex is the reproduction of life and a socially necessary form of labor across all societies, as it reproduces the conditions that allows for society. People exist so wholly within the context of society that they can indeed abstain from both should they not feel welcomed in society - hence suicide, volcels, ect. A notorious example being the Aboriginals in Australia, who were in British concentration camps, elected to no longer reproduce just so their people would stop suffering under the British heel.
>>210909 I have considered an idpol board to be created in the past before. If an idpol board is inevitable It most likely is, it should most likely be a board to shed off the spooks of idpol, like you have just said. Kind of like /leftypol/ but with training wheels.
>>212151 >Society is an explicit act of man to separate humanity No it's an emergent phenomenon grown out of packs/tribes. > return of survival of the fittest This is already the case, evolution has not suddenly stopped. There still those selected who pass on their genes and those who do not, that the environment under which natural and sexual selection happens changed does not eliminate it. >Sex is labor lmao sign me up. This is why you are not taken seriously, your fun is not something others want to slave for. >suicide, volcels Outliers and just specific form of failures, evolutionary dead ends. That does not change the condition of the species in general whose members struggle which each other for resources and mates. Some necessarily fail as they do in all animals. >Aboriginals in Australia, who were in British concentration camps, elected to no longer reproduce just so their people would stop suffering under the British heel Source? If it happened it was probably not too large a group and required significant peer pressure as it is like the prisoner dilemma, defecting just has too high an incentive and the higher the number the higher the chances some will do it. Reminder that the slaves in burgerland did reproduce.
>>212151 >It is idealistic nonsense as much as any non-materialist analysis is. You are right evolution and it's consequences are idealistic nonsense. Take the creationism pill. >Society is an explicit act of man to separate humanity from nature so as to better ensure group survival Again, no. Society is the result of nature. You can not overcome the need to eat, sleep and reproduce as a species without going extinct. Having a bunch of fancy agriculture does not suddenly make your society magical and above nature. >Material analysis and how social relations form as per Hegelian thought. Cool...so what? Are you really going to tell me the entirety social interactions can be categorized under those two themes? >The common mistake you make is believing in things because they are comfortable and reinforce your preconceived notions of society as imbued to you by capitalism and liberalism. How about you proof that statement big guy?
Locking this thread since you cunts can only whine about incel bullshit and its triggering my negative obsessive thoughts. (go back to your gulag)
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