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The role of gender and race Comrade 08/07/2019 (Wed) 16:13:52 No. 15551
Notice: This thread serves as the offical /idpol/ gulag. Direct all threads that are pure idpol here.

Original OP:
I want this thread to be about a couple of things:

- Sharing arguments for a more rigorous understanding of how gender and race act upon people today.
- Using this understanding to form strategies to more effectively organize the working class.
- Building strategies to use this understanding to effectively criticize false or inept strategies of organizing the working class.

I wasn't a part of the discussion in the mod thread about having a general on gender, but I wanted to make a new one anyways because I think it is important to have a thread about both gender and race. Ideally this will not descend into screeds about idpol, though it is inevitable some reactionaries will be drawn to the thread. I want to see quality discussions that make good faith attempts to convince others of positions on identity.

It is not virtue signalling to say this is an important topic of theory for the modern leftist movement. It is clear that identity has had a large role in left-adjacent and liberal politics for the past couple of decades, reaching a peak within probably the last decade. As much as many would wish that they could just erase this and go back to a raw working class politics of trade unionism, it is at this moment a historical fact that the role of identity has come to take a dominant role in much leftist discourse and it can't just be wished away by ridiculing or denying it. The social categories of race and gender are understood now in very particular ways, often very confused ways, by large swathes of the working class. So it seems to me that the goal should be to form convincing and coherent understandings of these social roles in capitalism, to analyze how they are currently being used by both the working class itself and its enemies to achieve/maintain political power, and strategies for directing this in the most fruitful way.

Of course feel free to share books and articles about the subject here too, or to use current events to explore how gender and race effect the working class today.
Edited last time by pask on 08/10/2019 (Sat) 15:55:57.
>>116786
Just say nigga instead
>>116682
>they are overhelmingly petite bouge failsons
Not everyone can get a job in academia. But welcome to the board, adjunct Prof. Frost!
>>116645
I don't think they inherently are, but boy do they seemed to have become one.
>>116639
>Okay so as it turns out, I'm actually a girl.
How is this not pure idealism? He just "decided" they were a girl. Decided how? It is all so cringy. This transgender thing just seems like a hobby horse of liberals.
>>116892
>Decided how?
If i had to guess, they probably decided the same way a blind black guy decides he's black without ever looking in the mirror.
>>116895
What if said black guy decides he's white?
>>116899
Like that Dave Chapelle skit lol
>>116895
So this person was told they were a woman by other parties? That's not what the tweet implied. It seemed like he decided on his own he was a woman. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Anglos love them some idealism so them insisting on simply believing something makes it so is a natural conclusion.
>>116899
>>116900
He also has another way for when a white wants to be black too.
>>116895
Aren't you a trans or just gay ?
>>116936
Fuck if i know. I do think i have dysphoria though.
>>116963
Whatever just keep posting lewds and you're OK in my book
>>116963
What's that like anyway. I heard some people have it since they're kids and others just claim they got sucked into some weird corner of the internet and developed it after prolonged exposure to weird anime? I'm legit curious. It's something that is so alien to me
>>116963
>While euphoria is used to describe a state of extreme happiness, dysphoria is the opposite—it’s a profound sense of unease or dissatisfaction.
I have always been dysphoric then
>>116972
based
>>116969
I can't really describe it, but i can say that the first time i got introduced to hentai (straight hentai btw) when i was 9 i self-inserted as the girl instead of the tentacles
>>116975
Would you say that by eliminating hentai, cases of dysphoria would be reduced?
>>116979
Hm, probably not. People would just self-insert as 3d girls in 3d porn.
>>116975
Lol, I self insert as girls sometimes when jerking off. That's not dysphoria, that's just a fetish. I never felt the need to be a woman or dress up like one in my everyday life
>>116981
What if we just elimanated all porn?
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>>116975
>straight
>tentacles
if you're a girl you can't be incel
>>116983
Well you're certainly not straight though.
>>116997
Bullshit
>>116999
>self-inserting as girls in porn
>straight
Pick one bro.
>>117006
What if it's lesbian porn thogh
>>117009
Would it be straight if you self-inserted as a lesbian?
I really don't know.
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>>117006
I mean I've jerked off to a lot of things in the past. My tastes are varied. The crossdress fetish isn't even one of my favorite kinks. I'm a man with a big appetite
>>117014
I feel like I'm the biggest degenerate. Maybe I should stop complaining about sexual deviants and fiends as much
>>117015
I hate them because they parade around what I don't have
>>116683
Gets the bullet
dysphoria = the belief that some things are inherently feminine = idealism = liberalism = all mental illness
>>116885
>implying academics are also not essecially petite bougie that will say anything to keep the grant/tenure dosh rolling
>>15551
This is a good video on race, specifically the theory of "the great replacement", from Current Affairs magazine--https://youtu.be/eCsljzWa7yA
Quote: If you're white, you should probably be insulted that people are trying to reduce the complexity of your identity to a wallpaper shade.
If you, like me, aren't a fan of scruffy breadtubers you might like this outfit better. Better presented. More dapper and better spoken.
As an aside, adroit verbal agility is useful in a lot of situations, of course. —Southnarc aka Craig Douglas: https://youtu.be/QwKvve8pXWU
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>self proclaimed reactionary
>supported trans rights
what did he mean by this?
This board:
>a belief in free will is idealistic, our actions are determined by our material conditions
Also this board
>mentally ill people have moral agency
Ok, you are retarded then.
Fascinating suicide note from a rich incel that worked in fiance in London. He posted it in his popular food blog.
https://wilkes888.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/my-final-blog-entry-love-you-all/
Also some finance people talking about it, a couple who knew him personally.
https://forums.bit-tech.net/index.php?threads/wilkes-mcdermid.281698/
He very coldly calculates the pros and cons of taking his life. Basically he convinces himself with legit statistics that he'll never find a wife and there's no loss to killing himself.
I think this is the fate of a lot of incels. I wonder what the consequences of massive amounts of men killing themselves will be.
There's no way the bourgeoisie would allow such attention grabbing repudiations of the liberal status quo to go unaddressed. It's why you have some much resources put into "suicide prevention" but nothing into the root causes of suicide like economic precarity.
I can actually see capitalism enforcing state mandated girlfriends if enough incels kill themselves. Things like that can easily spread in a society that has already given up hope.
I mean damn, if a rich incel couldn't ascend, what hope do poor and middle class ones have.
This board is fascist in everything but the economic.
>>117668
That's because this board is mostly white burgers.
>>117477
I heard that saudi courts can give homosexuals the choice between death or a sex-change, because trans people can't be gay. I wish i had a source.
>>117668
What about dengists?
They are fascists when it comes to economics too.
>>117676
Try and remember where you saw it Satan. Try to use those two little braincels of yours to do something other than social climb.
>>117477
>genetic fallacy
yikes
>>117657
>>117058
>small words, easy to follow, all buzzwords, virtue signaling
yep, this is /pol/
>>117668
It's really not. We have like 3 fascists who pretend to be leftist that are very persistent in this thread. Most users are not retarded.
>>117668
don't confuse this thread with this board. most people avoid this thread because thats the smart thing to do. there's nothing to be gained by posting here
>>117695
>It's really not
It really is.
>Most users are not retarded.
That's debatable, oversocialization can do weird things to the human brain.
>>117696
pretty much this. it gives reason for the vols to ban idpol outside of it.
remember people: click the small slashed zero next to the thread subject and press: hide thread
>>117678
"dengis" should be filtered to "capitalis"
>>117695
>small words, easy to follow, all buzzwords, virtue signaling
>yep, this is /pol/
>defending mentally ill people against idealism that makes them the bad guy is Nazism.
Touched a nerve did he.
>>117666
>I wonder what the consequences of massive amounts of men killing themselves will be.
The surviving ones will be very happy.
>>117696
Oh bullshit, I see implicit IDPOL! proclamations all the time which implicitly defend white supremacy because that's the only form of idpol that's backed with state violence and has been for several centuries. It's indistinguishable from reactionary Republicans' that have coronaries anytime that someone suggest that maybe in fact racism does still exist in America.
But if a single person says they don't trust white workers because they think they're racist oh shit watch out, /leftypol/'s on the fucking case.
>>117708
>The surviving ones will be very happy.
Why would they be happy, their being rejected because of their status. Having less low status men won't change their own status.
Also you seem to relish the idea of low status men killing themselves in mass. Seems a little Nazis-esque to me.
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>>117695
>small words, easy to follow, all buzzwords, virtue signaling
>being succinct and expressing yourself so you can be understood is fascism.
Brainlet tier
>>117708
>>117713
I don't understand what kind of sick fuck would be willing to live in a world such as that. But whatever floats your boat, sociopaths tend to have wild creativities such as that one.
>>117714
You can't hide it, gender and race politics are bedrocks of capitalist superstructure.
The only one's that don't want to examine it are the very people that are enjoying the de facto natural rights racism and sexism give them.
>>117713
>>117716
But this is what the AK poster was arguing for instance, competion is natural and good so if you competitors take themselves out of the race it's in your interest.
>>117719
But it's not in my best interests for people to kill themselves, anymore than eugenic programs of the past were.
>>117720
Why? even the biggest truecel would stop being one if he was the last male on earth.
>>117722
This is what this ideology of free competition logically leads to.
>>117719
>natural equals good
Read Hume faggot
>>117666
I think the FAQ missed out an important question: So why kill yourself over it then? He in a way viciously critiqued society and rightly so, but never turned the lens inwards. This is why humanities need to be shoved into the throats of STEMfags so they at least ponder over what to do with the data, science and technology rather to remain in optimization of societal values or goals.

I personally take such isolation as liberating in a way, the ability to do what you want without any concern of society since it doesn't care about you anyway.
>>117722
>Why? even the biggest truecel would stop being one if he was the last male on earth.
The bourgeoisie are never going to kill themselves on purpose, nice try Gobbles.
>>117727
Apparently leftism is when you want the world to coddle and pamper you with sex like a baby?
>>117728
It's an extreme example, the point is you support a system where there is a benefit to you if others are harmed. That's wht "freedom" is.
>>117725
>I think the FAQ missed out an important question: So why kill yourself over it then?
Because he'll never get his needs met by society and didn't see a way of escaping it.
>I personally take such isolation as liberating in a way, the ability to do what you want without any concern of society since it doesn't care about you anyway.
I think this is a dumb way of looking at it. It reminds me of Boomers that suggest Millennials struggling to buy cars should just buy an old junker and fix it up like they did.
Sure in small numbers that strategy may work, but it is not a policy that will scale to billions of people.
>>117732
It does with almost everyone.
>>117733
>It's an extreme example, the point is you support a system where there is a benefit to you if others are harmed. That's wht "freedom" is.
The extreme example still supported your whole dumb "if there's less males then ugly men can get laid" premise.
As if harems are impossible if there's more women than men.
>>117736
But that only partially mitigates it, don't you think there were less single males after mass male deaths through things like war?
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My dear sandnigga incel.
As much as I'd love to see neurotypicals genocide each other into oblivion I don't think that is the most ethical and utopian future we should strive for.
Let me enlighten neurotypical psychopaths such as you with some alternatives.
Pic related.
>>117734
>he'll never get his needs met by society and didn't see a way of escaping it.
Again so why kill yourself? You are merely repeating his point

> It reminds me of Boomers that suggest Millennials struggling to buy cars should just buy an old junker and fix it up like they did.
But that is a huge strawman of what I said. This isn't a bootstraps argument.

>Sure in small numbers that strategy may work, but it is not a policy that will scale to billions of people.
So? Let society fail then. No skin off the incel's nose.
>>117739
I'm literally diagnosed with asperger and not the arab.
>>117732
>being against eugenics means you just wanna coddle people.
It's funny because I always find that the type of people that say that clearly on the learning disability spectrum and would be "cleansed" themselves.
>>117742
Maybe because the suffering outweighs the enjoyment? Anyway society does not value single men highly and will likely try to squeeze you for all they can.
>>117742
>Again so why kill yourself? You are merely repeating his point
Isn't it self evident? You're in a painful situation that you see no end to. I'm not agreeing with it necessarily but damn you gotta be some sheltered softie to not be able to empathize with the logic a little.
>But that is a huge strawman of what I said. This isn't a bootstraps argument.
It is, you said you're happy in solitude, implying others could be as well.
>So? Let society fail then. No skin off the incel's nose.
Society is a spook, and blaming marginalized people for the "collapse of society" is just defending the liberal status quo.
>>117735
>having sex means the world is coddling and pampering you
I am beginning to notice a pattern in the resident incelposter. He thinks in extreme dichotomies, externalized every problem. It is like a vulgar marxist but in the terms of sex, rendering any and everything into a structural critique with no room for personal agency.
>>117752
>The liberal anti-incel poster can refute any arguments directly so is reduced to casting vague aspersions.
>>117754
*The liberal anti-incel poster CANNOT refute any arguments directly
>>117752
That which you perceive as "personal agency" is just a part of the structure. It's just useful to blame things on the individual so you can justify the
system where the losers have it bad and the winners good beause of their superior character (hard-working etc.).
Reminder that idpol ideology is anti-materialist, divisive, born out of liberalism and/or fascism.
"Fuck [white/gay/straight/black/female/trans/sex-having/degenerate] people" = "Fuck proles, here's my idealist take on why."
Radlibs, incels, "nazbols", and other red-reactionaries are NOT communists.
Read a book, fascists.
>>117758
>removing unibrow is hard work
wew
>>117749
No one says you must let society make you suffer.


>>117751
>Isn't it self evident? You're in a painful situation that you see no end to.
No it isn't, the pain is only there because you are playing along with society's demands on you.

>It is, you said you're happy in solitude, implying others could be as well.
I neither said I was happy or imply that others are. Instead I said that letting go of what society gives me and incels a freedom that few enjoy.

> blaming marginalized people for the "collapse of society" is just defending the liberal status quo.
Again either you are an idoit that can't read or being wilful to undermine conversation. I said any problems faced when everyone embraced such a freedom is nobody's fault, nor should it be their concern.
>>117759
take your meds
>>117760
dont have one
>>117762
>No one says you must let society make you suffer.
>He thinks people LET capitalism hurt them.
LMAO, running more interference for liberalism. No one LET'S themselves be exploited, if they don't sell their labor they will die or be killed by the state.
>>117762
That's just long way of saying "cope".
>>117758
>It's just useful to blame things on the individual so you can justify the
system
Thank god i didn't do that. See what I mean? When I complained that you had 'no room for personal agency' you conflated it to 'blame things on the individual'. The moderate position, whereby individuals do have agency despite being an unfair system is conflated to an extreme position whereby individual having agency means system is fair. A reverse Motte-and-bailey doctrine.
>>117762
>I said any problems faced when everyone embraced such a freedom is nobody's fault, nor should it be their concern.
Dafaq are you babbling on about. Your freedom amounts to laying down and rotting. Just STFU.
>>117765
Unlike the sexual market, Labour is something we all must do to survive. Remember that the society is an economy first, which other components are secondary to the fact.

>>117766
>>117770
seething
>>117769
You are just taking the moderate position of "it's partially your fault" because you can't deny that some things like disabilities clearly are “given” but you still do it for those you can get away with with the general public, like hard work or “social skills” even though both are just as determined by nature and nurture.
>>117776
proky doesn't
>>117776(me)
And also the marxist criticism and critique against capitalism is not that "capitalism hurt them." but rather capitalism inhibits and corrupts society, spiltting people into prolertariat and bourgois. Stop being a radlib
>>117780
Nice spooks nerd. We would be for capitalism if we were the winners of the system.
Congrats, this thread is even more cancerous that it was before.
>>117777
>"it's partially your fault"
Again a huge misread of my post. You are conflating agency with blame.

>because you can't deny that some things like disabilities clearly are “given” but you still do it for those you can get away with with the general public
Putting words into my mouth.
>>117781
Speak for yourself stirnerkike, not everyone is a nihilistic, hedonistic and egoist piece of shit.
>>117783
it's implicit
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>>117781
As pic related >>117780 already showed, even the capitalists is 'winning' in capitalism


>>117784
Please don't let this moron undermine Striner in your eyes
>>117785
That speaks more about your hysteria than my actual post.
>>117769
People don't have agency with regards to the topic at hand. A good faith chance at love is the "agency" incels speak of. Something their fathers had.
>A reverse Motte-and-bailey doctrine.
LMAO, changing your argument isn't a logical fallacy.
>>117789
>People don't have agency with regards to the topic at hand.
Big if true.

>A good faith chance at love is the "agency" incels speak of.
But my agency I am apeaking isn't restricted to taking a chance at "love"

>changing your argument isn't a logical fallacy.
Motte-and-bailey doctrine isn't a logical fallacy, but a bait-and-swtich argumentative tactic designed to hide extreme positions in moderate ones or conflate moderates one with extreme ones.
>>117787
striner really was too pure for this world, its a shame marx had him assassinated
>>117792
>Big if true.
Beat it Chapo, it's been proven with countless studies and statistics.
>But my agency I am apeaking isn't restricted to taking a chance at "love"
If there's equal numbers of men and they're all straight, then by law of averages they should all pair up.
A good faith chance is having success, which is likely if every woman is pairing with one man. You taking a chance on love is worthless unless there's a good faith chance your gamble will actually pay off. Being ripped off of your time and money isn't a form of freedom you dumb liberal.
>Motte-and-bailey doctrine isn't a logical fallacy, but a bait-and-swtich argumentative tactic designed to hide extreme positions in moderate ones or conflate moderates one with extreme ones.
No it's cry baby bullshit that the alt-right made up. Arguments stand or fall on their own just because someone with a more extreme position is arguing a more moderate one isn't a bait and switch.
What you really want is guilt by association to be accepted as an argument so you can easily counter anything you don't like with "A COMMUNIST SAID THAT!" and end debate. Or in this case "AN INCEL SAID THAT! HE REALLY WANTS RAPE DUNGEONS"
>>117792
I've already told you. Material conditions of liberalist capitalist materialism literally prohibits, like a MATERIAL magnet repelling another MATERIAL magnet, to remove my unibrow.
Suggesting otherwise is to refute the labor theory of value and all of stirner's books, which would make you a liberal (and a social imperialist).
Also, no, I do not have the capacity for self-criticism, nor do I base my analysis on experience going out, since I don't, but on the MATERIAL FACT that I've been doing nothing at all for the last couple of years, shitposting, and no stupid female has sucked my cock. What? Alienation? That sounds vaguely Posadist and I don't believe in aliens.
>>117806
>>>/hobby/2360 he doesn't have a job and he did get it
>>117807
If you have been badly socialized due to contemporary capitalism, here are your (realistic) choices:
<become a bitter incel
<un-do capitalist damage, de-spook yourself, and force yourself to learn to socialize
The second one is obviously harder and requires you to do something about it, which you won't, of course.
A person who lost their legs can stay home and be bitter that society is made for those who can walk, or can bite the bullet and go out despite the hardship. Incel ideology in this scenario is like an obese wallmart lady that believes she is handicapped because she has a genetic disease which makes her knees bad, and then doesn't go out because she is bitter at society for not making life scooter-accessible.
>>117814
>blaming the fatties for obesity which did practically not exist a hundred years ago
Great job at defending the food industry. And for the record yes it is dertain genetics that predispose you to being fat combined with current food availabaility, for example nobody in my family is fat and I have to do nothing to not be fat.
>which you won't, of course
Then it's not a choice as you acknowledge, you just say you could have done different so you can blame the victim and pat yourself on the back for "dtruggling and winning" even though you just got lucky. Nobody would choose to be *cel or fat cuz it's shit.
>>117819
You know, I love it when I'm right.
>Then it's not a choice as you acknowledge,
I didn't say it wasn't a choice. I said it's a choice you are unwilling to take. I didn't specify why, but it's basically a combination of lack of self-crit, self-hatred, and idealism.
>>117824
Those are just a result of nature and nurture though and another link in the causal chain, not someething removed that is some free actor or whatever that does a certain thing because of some IDEAS.
>>117832
*Those "choices"
>>117832
You're implying that personal change is impossible because of some weird pseudo-materialism (but actually idealism).
It's a contradiction. "Nurturer" can't exist because it is all "nature". You cannot learn new things because they are not codified in "material" or whatever your weird conception of materialism is. Even more pressing, learning is impossible since it implies change, and ideas can have no effect on the individual, because they are just that, ideas, and not material.
Why do I keep arguing with incels?
Evidently they are not leftists.
>>117840
>change is impossible
Strawman, a causal chain implies a time dimension.
>but actually idealism
Aren't you the one who says the cause is "alienation"? And you call others idealist?
>"Nurturer" can't exist because it is all "nature"
This is just semantics.
"Nature versus nurture
Relative importance of an individual's innate qualities ("nature" in the sense of nativism or innatism) as compared to an individual's personal experiences ("nurture" in the sense of empiricism or behaviorism)"
>learning is impossible since it implies change
No but it's a result of biological fujnctions and external impacts on the organism, it's not something that an abstract spirits just decides on its own.
>ideas can have no effect on the individual, because they are just that, ideas, and not material.
Correct. Ideas are just an abstraction, they influence the brain as much as a clock influences time.
>>117843
I like the old left but not the new left tbh
>>117846
You like the left when you think that they will give you a girlfriend and you dislike the left when they say that they wont.
>>117845
>>you're saying personal change is impossible
>Strawman, a causal chain implies a time dimension.
?????
>[Ideas] influence the brain as much as a clock influences time.
This is objectively false. Unless you want to get into some retarded semantics, this is simply not true.
Counter evidence: education.
Counter-counter evidence: your unwillingness to stop being retarded.
Counter-counter-counter evidence: We aren't born knowing about Marx or socialism, yet here we are in a socialist board.
This isn't even physical determinism. This is just plain wrong.

Answer the question honestly without bullshit sophistry:
Can people change based on ideas they are exposed to?

You have misunderstood materialism and use that misunderstanding to externalize all personal responsibility.
>>117857
show me where the CPSU issued the gfs
>>117860
>Can people change based on ideas they are exposed to?
Then define idea. I already said nurture is a thing, if your definition of idea falls under that then yes.
> personal responsibility.
What is it and who decides what is a result of that and what is not? It's probably the mainstream liberal bullshit to you where there should be "equality of opportunity"(nurture) even though if that were REALLY the case then outcome would necessarily be equal too because for example your intelligence and looks (nature) are obvioulsy very much important to future success and are what give you opportunity or deny it.
>>117866
"personal responsibility2 is always used to put the blame for theindividual outcomes under a system on the individual in order to defend the system from assault and always used by those who were given a good result by it. This both makes their position and luck "deserved" and those at the bottom desrrving of their fate as well. If you took away the spook of "persnoal resposibility" those you fucked over might come after you.
>>117806
It's not alienation though. Incels are more than willing to enter into relationships with women. Women are rejecting them because of hypergamy. Women can make as much as a man pulling down 60k if they poop out a kid and get on welfare. The median income for all workers in the states is 50K.
Alienation from your labor is a completely different thing.
>>117880
>Woman are rejecting them because of hypergamy
Killl yourself, Incel
Women are rejecting them because they're full of hatred for themselves and the world around them, especially for women who dare to be happy
>>117814
>If you have been badly socialized due to contemporary capitalism, here are your (realistic) choices:
<become a bitter incel
LMAO, anger and bitterness aren't inherently harmful you shit lib. If you're bitter and angry it's because you're being fucked over somehow.
Expressing this is better than STFU like you libs want, because then it seems like everyone is happy with the system.
<un-do capitalist damage,
Easier said than done shelter burger.
>de-spook yourself,
agreed
>and force yourself to learn to socialize
SOCIALIZING ISN'T A FUCKING VIDEOGAME
Where you can grind more and "earn" your way into a higher level. These people are being consciously rejected by women because of their low status. If all these incels became "socialized" and never made a single social faux pas the goalposts would simply be moved to encompass something they can't attain.
THEIR SOCIAL STATUS IS RELATIVE TO CHADS
Fuck your anglo work ethic moralizing.
>>117886
based and anti-anglo pilled
>>117869
>If you took away the spook of "persnoal resposibility" those you fucked over might come after you.
Exactly, incels are guilty of plenty of faults, but to say that's not why they are alone.
Hell, I used to be friends with a straight rapist (didn't realize it until later and ignored the rumors) and women threw themselves at him and they were perfectly aware of his assaults, actually more so because they knew the women he raped.
Everyone knows a guy like that that is absolutely swimming in pussy. And anyone that has dated knows how many women claim to have been raped. It's insane to think women are choosing men based on merit.
>>117891
*Exactly, incels are guilty of plenty of faults, but to say that's why they are alone is crazy.
>>117886
>SOCIALIZING ISN'T A FUCKING VIDEOGAME
Have you considered that it's the other way around epic gamer?
>>117893
Videogaming is socializing? Only if you enjoy sausage fests.
>>117886
Social skills are skills and you can get better at it but that requires that you actually try. And I don't think you want to do that.
>>117899
>you just want to be poor
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>>117899
>Social skills are skills and you can get better at it but that requires that you actually try.
>Women reject you for your personality.
Imagine how good the personality is on this guy!
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>>117899
>Women reject incels because they have poor social skills
>>117903
Women will reject you for plenty of things, some of them shallow and some of them less shallow. You, my friend, are not even at the point where you are being rejected by women because you don't even leave your house.
>>117909
They make it clear to attractive males that they want them by looking at them, smiling, talking to them, touching them etc. the absence of these is rejection.
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>>117909
>Women can sense your social skills.
>You don't leave your house.
Does work count?
>>117912
This guy got laid and couldn't even participate in society. It's over for incels.
>>117912
she even made a video to her family when she was on the run with her chad rapist lover
https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/story/-Hassan-ist-der-Mann-meines-Lebens--26922979
Just imagine literally being rewarded by women for raping. This is the behaviour that society encourages.
>>117912
Daddy issues on steroids
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>>117909
>Women reject you because you don't go out enough.
>>117909
What's the point if you know what the result will be. They behave very differently towards the males they are attracted to annd you would just find some other reason why you the incel is doing wrong and just being justly punished.
>>117928
Kek. The short guy self pity is especially pathetic. Me and my best friend are both short. Both of us have been in relationships or otherwise getting laid consistantly for pretty much our entire lives. Grow some character and stop worrying about what some dumb skanks say on social media. I mean sure, there are ugly guys who'll have to settle for ugly birds, but this particular issue is a self created problem.
>>117866
>define idea
Ideas are what common people think ideas area. No need to pull out a definition out of my ass.
>Blah blah personal responsability is liberal
Nigga, it's basically fending off for yourself instead of wanting gibs. Shit's unfair as fuck. Personal responsibility is recognizing this fact and fucking clawing for your survival (and if you're not retarded, you advocate for it's destruction). Incel ideology is crying about one small aspect of the current state of affairs with shoulders crossed, where the only praxis is spreading hateful ideology. Peak lumpen-shit.
Rest of your post just shows you misunderstand society, which I suspect is because you don't have a good social life (because of capitalism) and live in the realm of ideas (because you choose to be retarded).
>>117880
>Alienation from work
That's just one form of alienation. The rest is bullshit since you misunderstood what alienation entails.
>>117886
>Skills only exist in video games
This is peak hyperreality.
<Socializing isn't a videogame where you can grind more and "earn" your way into a higher level.
I had to quote it again, I love post-modern/cyberpunk stuff and this shit is art.
>>117903
social skills =/= good personality/wokeness/nice guy/bad boy/etc
Unbelievable I have to even write that sentence down, but I'm on an albanian bird watching forum, so I guess it's not that surprising.
>>117910
>Women signal attraction to men just as men signal attraction to women
I am blown away by this revelation.
>>117928
Nigga, I'm short, a lil fat, brown, wear glasses, have very close-together eyes, dry hair, I could go on with the list of genetic imperfections, but I don't play pity Olympics.
The biggest difference is I have a solid sense of self-worth and I don't let my self-worth be derived from or diminished by looks or other superficial garbage (including money, which I don't have). Yeah, I get rejected sometimes, but I'm more likely to get whom I want than much more attractive and richer friends.
The other difference, not as big, is that I'm constantly improving my social skills by engaging in them frequently. Social skills are kind of like exercise, if you don't engage in them you lose "strength" really quickly, but you can regain them shortly after. It's also like exercise in the sense that you need to actually do it, and can't merely read about strength training, although it certainly helps a lot to educate yourself (on socializing as well as exercise stuff).
I wasn't always like this. I decided to change because I hated being such a loser. Slowly realized that you just kind of just project that you're cool and people perceive you as that. Next step in that realization was that socially perceived "coolness" is just a bunch of signifiers and projecting self-worth. Started taking care of myself and my "coolness" really improved.
A big pitfall though. Having a strong self worth has made me less worried about weight, personal hygiene, and fashion, which ironically hindered my growing "coolness". I've noticed very "cool" people have more fragile self-worth and hence supplement that fragility with looking good. The contradiction here is resolved with putting in the extra effort to look good for the sake of others (and to possibly engage in flirtation) but not deriving your self worth from that (nor the amount of sex you have of course, that's fragile).
I know you hate yourself a lot, so this isn't for you.
I hope it helps others though.
Honestly though, why are supposed """"""""""""""""""""""leftists""""""""""""""""""""""" ITT relying so hard on the Just World Fallacy? Can you please drop the idealism that the world is a fair place and the only reason people are getting laid is because of bad vibes/energy. This shit isn't even liberal, it's dumb spiritualism hippie bullshit.
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>>117965
>Skills only exist in video games
>This is peak hyperreality.
There's no skill can make someone deal with you in good faith.
>social skills =/= good personality/wokeness/nice guy/bad boy/etc
If good social skills are what determines if a woman sleeps with you then why do abusive men get pussy. Unless you classify abusing women as "good social skills"
Pic related
<The rest is just "NUH UH, I'm not defending the liberal status quo by blaming your problems on you. It just so happens I know for a fact that they are.
>>117965
<Socializing isn't a videogame where you can grind more and "earn" your way into a higher level.
>I had to quote it again, I love post-modern/cyberpunk stuff and this shit is art.
I'm glad you're so entertained by your own liberal idealism reflected back on you.
>>117977
What he ultimately means by "good social skills" is being a low inhibition cunt with little self awareness but has one redeeming quality that stops him from being a joke. So just be successful bro, just be attractive bro.
>>117977
You can have good social skills and being abusive. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. Social skills is basically about how good you are at interacting with others.
>>117965
>Women signal attraction to men just as men signal attraction to women
>I am blown away by this revelation.
You should be, since it blows up your whole "incels are just socially maladjusted". When in fact they are actually correctly picking up unspoken social queues, it's just that those social ques all say "You're not welcome here!"
>>117982
But you said incels are alone because of bad social skills. If abusive men have good social skills, then their abuse has to be included with said good social skills because their abuse is how they socialize.
>>117965
>Nigga, I'm short, a lil fat, brown, wear glasses, have very close-together eyes, dry hair,

I remember Vaush saying shit like this, how he's always slaying hot pussy. Then you see his girlfriend and just fucking laugh.

Never underestimate how DELUSIONAL the average nerd is. Your "10/10! is probably a slim 4/10.
>>117984
A lot of incels are socially maladjusted and the fact that our resident one doesn't understand the concept of social skills only furthers that theory.
>>117965
>social skills =/= good personality/wokeness/nice guy/bad boy/etc
How can abusiveness not be included when abusive behavior is how these men socialize with women.
>>117988
It honestly sounds like "social skills" to you is about how easy it is to manipulate people. Sounds like you're a psychopath bro.
>>117977
Evidently, beating women is not a social skill, much less a flirtation skill. Epic argument though.
>rest of the post
Seething
>>117979
Say the thing again! The thing about how you can't get better at stuff by practice!
Are you the same incel that says you can't learn stuff because ideas have no effect on the brain?
>>117986
non sequitur. They also drive cars and eat grapes, those are not social skills.
>>117987
hahahaha seething.
>>117991
cringe.
>>117990
>How can abusiveness not be included
social skills =/= good personality/wokeness/nice guy/bad boy/abusiveness/etc
there you go. They also socialize with these women via driving them around, and driving is not a social skill.
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>>117965
>Nigga, I'm short, a lil fat, brown, wear glasses, have very close-together eyes, dry hair, I could go on with the list of genetic imperfections, but I don't play pity Olympics.
You're just an incel in denial.
>The biggest difference is I have a solid sense of self-worth and I don't let my self-worth be derived from or diminished by looks or other superficial garbage (including money, which I don't have). Yeah, I get rejected sometimes, but I'm more likely to get whom I want than much more attractive and richer friends.
pic related
>The other difference, not as big, is that I'm constantly improving my social skills by engaging in them frequently. Social skills are kind of like exercise, if you don't engage in them you lose "strength" really quickly, but you can regain them shortly after. It's also like exercise in the sense that you need to actually do it, and can't merely read about strength training, although it certainly helps a lot to educate yourself (on socializing as well as exercise stuff).
<muh personal anecdote
Glad you found people how accept you, but your story doesn't disprove the blackpill anymore than rags-to-riches stories disprove Marx.
>I wasn't always like this. I decided to change because I hated being such a loser. Slowly realized that you just kind of just project that you're cool and people perceive you as that. Next step in that realization was that socially perceived "coolness" is just a bunch of signifiers and projecting self-worth. Started taking care of myself and my "coolness" really improved.
This is just a bunch of mystic babble.
>A big pitfall though. Having a strong self worth has made me less worried about weight, personal hygiene, and fashion, which ironically hindered my growing "coolness". I've noticed very "cool" people have more fragile self-worth and hence supplement that fragility with looking good. The contradiction here is resolved with putting in the extra effort to look good for the sake of others (and to possibly engage in flirtation) but not deriving your self worth from that (nor the amount of sex you have of course, that's fragile).
The fact that you have to work so much harder just to get levels of social validation that come effortlessly for Chad proves the blackpill.
>I know you hate yourself a lot, so this isn't for you.
I don't hate myself, I hate the situation I'm in. Nice moralizing liberal, not everyone is fooled into internalizing their problems caused by the system.
>I hope it helps others though.
No it doesn't it just perpetuates the very social relations that caused them to be alone in the first place.
>>117993
>Evidently, beating women is not a social skill, much less a flirtation skill. Epic argument though.
>rest of the post
>Seething
DAMN STRAIGHT
What pisses people off most about incels is that because they've been so beaten down they no longer care about social validation from the society that rejected them.
See the "SEETHING" comment was intended to embarrass me. Because anon thought I cared about the perception that I'm a cry baby.
But myself and other incels have learned the hard way that there's nothing to gain by earning the social acceptance of society.
So by all means, post "seething" all you want. If anything I want people to perceive incels as cry babies because it activates their liberal predatory mode and causes them to draw more attention to incels.
>>117993
>Say the thing again! The thing about how you can't get better at stuff by practice!
You can't make someone love you with practice.
>>117997
But you do want social validation. Why else would you post here day in and day out?
>>117993
>non sequitur. They also drive cars and eat grapes, those are not social skills.
Abuse is a form of socialization. Eating grapes and driving cars is not.
>>118001
>But you do want social validation. Why else would you post here day in and day out?
LMAO, does your narcissism know no bounds. I'm not here to be socially validated by you. Having to argue with all the liberals here isn't socially validating.
I wasn't raised in a broken home, I seek positive attention not negative.
I argue with you because I know lots of lurkers are reading what I'm saying. And because I enjoy making liberals twist themselves into moral pretzels to justified their hypocrisy.
Also, I'm not the only person posting pro incel arguments, cope harder.
>>118007
Don't delude yourself, you are very fond of negative attention.
>>117995
You're right, it's much better to spread hateful incel ideology than to actually attempt to fix your problem.
Makes sense since you literally perceive yourself, ie. identify as, an incel (we're in the idpol thread after all). Your sense of self is contingent on you being a hateful incel, and hence cannot move beyond this.
You are a victim of your own ideology, no different than a Nazi seeing Jewish influence everywhere.
>>117997
>But myself and other incels have learned the hard way that there's nothing to gain by earning the social acceptance of society.
how about sex? lmao.
>>118000
>I want to make someone love me
cringe. self-crit fam.
>>118007
>all the liberals here
You're arguing against people who are actual Marxists. Shittily reading Stirner does not make you a proper leftist. You have proven time and time again to be ignorant of the words you use (let alone the concepts), to be absolutely ridden with liberal ideology, to misunderstand society fundamentally (like fascists do), etc.
Even then, I don't call you a liberal every time I can with no basis.
You're a toxic presence in this board, I'd say society as well, but you have decided to abstain from society to keep your precious identity intact.
>>118013
Nope
>>118014
>You're right, it's much better to spread hateful incel ideology than to actually attempt to fix your problem.
Hahahaha repudiating liberalism isn't "spreading hateful ideology" LMAO.
>>118014
>how about sex? lmao.
That's never coming, anymore than millions of dollars is coming to the pauper.
>>118014
>hateful incel ideology than to actually attempt to fix your problem
Hate is part of the solution as a powerful driver. We are not liberals like you who are "against hate"
>Makes sense since you literally perceive yourself, ie. identify as, an incel
I never did before others started calling me that, and the fact is that it's better to own then try ot distance yourself from it which doesn't work anyway since they will just call you that anyway lest you submit 100%
>>118014
>You're arguing against people who are actual Marxists.
>People that claim their Marxists are Marxists.
If you were really a Marxist you wouldn't retreat to liberalism to explain everything in the superstructure LMAO
>>118014
>You're arguing against people who are actual Marxists.
>People that claim their Marxists are Marxists.
If you were really a Marxist you wouldn't retreat to liberalism to explain everything in the superstructure LMAO
>>118014
>to misunderstand society fundamentally
lmao coming from the guy who says men prefer young women cause they see them like smartphones
>>118014
>Shittily reading Stirner does not make you a proper leftist.
Why not?
>>118014
>Shittily reading Stirner does not make you a proper leftist. You have proven time and time again to be ignorant of the words you use (let alone the concepts), to be absolutely ridden with liberal ideology, to misunderstand society fundamentally (like fascists do), etc.
Stiner's ghost triggering autistic Marxists over a century later.
>>118029
honestly he sounds moe like those zizekian postmodernists and he calls himself marxist because that is what his idol does
>>117802
>it's been proven with countless studies and statistics.
No it hasn't

>If there's equal numbers of men and they're all straight, then by law of averages they should all pair up.
Big if true

>No it's cry baby bullshit that the alt-right made up.
Literally was around before the alt-right was created. You are again being hysterical.

>What you really want is guilt by association to be accepted as an argument
But I have never done any of the sorts, merely explain how you swap moderate for extreme positions and back to confuse people who reply to you
>>118032
Zizekian postmodernists are moe.
>mfw can’t discuss about actual gender and race issue without the resident incelposter shitting it up
Feels bad man
There's a lot of talk about classism, aka "class-based discrimiantion", aka "socioeconomic level discrimination" (as opposed to marxist conception of class).

Rich people are going for the "we're all gay and we poop just like you". Like when Ellen Degenerate sent out a video when she went out with her (war criminal) friend, GW Bush. I'd say it's a way to mitigate and hide the class resentment. Of course rich people are just humans, but they like to remind everyone how being rich is hard. A lot of successful rappers talk about not being able to trust their friends, since they might be sycophant "fake friends" trying to abuse the relationship. Take Drake's song 'Started from the bottom': "No new niggas, nigga we don't feel that \ Fuck a fake friend, where your real friends at?" or Aminé's 'REEL IT IN': "I don't trust nobody 'cause I can't be fake". There's also the Zucc who wears "relatable clothes" literally like a uniform, signaling that he's just another nerd hacker with "woke" liberal values. Same with other big tech CEOs and owners. Is this a new dynamic, of class collaboration? Or perhaps rich guilt? My experience in the US and in Europe, basically everyone is middle class, so it's not really a big deal if you work as a waiter or as an engineer, so perhaps this isn't new in those parts of the world.

It's kind of ingrained in my culture that people in a lower socioeconomic status are trashy and are implicitly treated worse. Sometimes, it is even explicit, treating and talking to lower class people as if they're sub-human. It's obviously reactionary, and denigrating lower-middle to poor people is all too common where I'm from. It's so common that sometimes even poor people denigrate themselves in relation to rich people. The class difference is stark and obvious, but that reifies socioeconomic class as a kind of caste.

On one hand, class struggle is hidden under some weird class sentiment/guilt and class discrimination becomes just another bigotry that needs to be eradicated (as opposed to class itself). On the other hand, the proletariat is divided into socioeconomic castes and create an inter class struggle.

How should a leftist approach this "classism" question? Kneejerk response is to reject it as anti-marxist, but perhaps it can be co-opted, and encourage classism against the opposing class, ie the 0.1%.
</leftypol/ in a nutshell
>>119182
i don't get it.
>>118330
>How should a leftist approach this "classism" question? Kneejerk response is to reject it as anti-marxist, but perhaps it can be co-opted, and encourage classism against the opposing class, ie the 0.1%.
I'm brainstorming here but you might as well just openly proclaim yourself to be classist - against the ruling class, that is. This, instead of turning into this PC bullshit about how we should do our best not to step on each other's toes (which, in this case is always about how the ruling class treats us, amounting to covering up the brutal facts of class societies), elevates "classism" above all other PC -isms, by highlighting that unlike any other in the series its overcoming is only possible by direct assumption. In other words, classism isn't just another form of one way bigotry, but a two way road which when trodden makes apparent not just the very defining dynamic of our social reality, but offers the only way to overcome it.
>>118032
>zizekian postmodernists
Zizek is not a postmodernist, fam. He's been debating faggots like Judith Butler and Laclau even before you opened a book on Marx, but whatever.
>>119182
>It's not science if it does not further my weltanschauung
>>116975
>>116983
i've never self-inserted in the way described here and I wonder how relevant that is. you seem to pose it as a dichotomy, girl instead of tentacles, but in all porn the position is usually that of the third gaze. This isn't just porn either. I never had the kind of autism some do for roleplaying games. Where i'm fine with just hitting random and being whatever but some seem very put off if they don't get to make every little choice about their character. Feels like there's something there.
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Fact: the freudposter is a fucking nigger.

All your ideology and your 'scientific' understanding of psychology is built around the senile delusions of a sexual maniac who is addicted to cocaine, codeine and tobacco.
KYS
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>>119393
who the hell are you even responding too?
>>119393
based
>>119393
>implying modern psychology hasn't roundly condemned Freud as a pseudo-scientist
>>119406
>implying modern economics hasn't roundly condemned Marx as a pseudo-economist
kys bootlicker.
>>119409
There is a material incentive for the bourgeoisie to fill economic departments with (neo)libtards and the like for they have influence over society and provide intellectual ammunition for free trade, tax cuts, etc.

There is zero material incentive to deliberately fuck up the field of psychology to make it even harder to treat people with mental health issues. The immediate effect would be to screw over worker productivity, not to mention that if porky ever gets a bipolar kid or something they'd want to be sure their kid is treated correctly.

I understand in the anarkiddie's view all hierarchy and authority is bad and to be instinctively distrusted but you take it too far when you start questioning medical credentials. What next are you going to say climate science is faked despite whole islands falling beneath the waves?
>>119438
Well there is definitely massive incentive by pharmaceutical manufacturers to get people to overprescribe psychiatric drugs.
>>119438
>There is zero material incentive to deliberately fuck up the field of psychology
Yes there is, all the most widely diagnosed mental illnesses like depression are directly attributable to capitalism.
An actual cure then would be to end the system in the same way a battered wife would leave their husband. But all of psychology is based on making the patient cope with the pain or internalize it, never for the patient to act in a political manner. If they did psychology would actually be empowering to workers by providing the deep insights into the human psyche as tools in class struggle. Instead its relegated to pusedo science status that is viewed as naval gazing by the average worker.
>>119406
he has his merits...I guess
>>118029
Stirners entire ideology can lead down a rabbit hole I don't think anyone wants to go down into unless you're a psycho
>>118014
>>118014
>You are a victim of your own ideology, no different than a Nazi seeing Jewish influence everywhere.

Every leftist I know sees capitalist influence everywhere, so I meet your straw man with another straw man
>>119531
>Another "philosopher king" mad that Stirner has reveled that the king has no clothes.
Stay mad my spooks.
>>119438
>There is zero material incentive to deliberately fuck up the field of psychology to make it even harder to treat people with mental health issues.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMhsPnoIdy4
Has anyone noticed there’s been more talk and acceptance of beastiality?
I know it’s a meme among incels but none the less I see it brought up more and more lately.
A decade ago it was a joke, but now it’s seems like it’s being sold as yet another alternative sexual orientation.
Link related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulhZvWDdIlY&feature=youtu.be
Is chemical castration the only solution for the incel question?
Can someone just explain to me how me just quietly rocking the ham-sick on my jacket shoulder is cringe but TRAs shouting down normies about their femme dick and the left for some reason centering this trans shit isn’t?
>Ah so you like strength, discipline, fortitude, and victory; lol how cringe, anyway I’m off to go get my femme dick sucked by some dude, peace
Imagine if Stalin came back today, holy shit
>>119643
Yes, that or World War III
>>119643
Sure if you're a bastard.
>>119550
I'm not mad at all, but if rape is cool, then sure. That's a good solvent to the incel question
>>119580
Women Fuck their dogs, what else is new?
>>119673
*White girls
>>119643
>Is chemical castration the only solution to eugenists like you?
>>119673
That’s news to me. Was this some kind of open secret among white people?
>>119739
Stop watching bestiality porn, incelposter.
>>119739
Oh shit, incelposter was CommonFilth all along!
>>119729
How can I be an eugenist if there’s no way you and other incels are going to reproduce lmao
>>119746
>The incelposter is one person
premium cope
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>>119751
Then why do you want to sterilize them eugenicist scum.
>>119740
Well it was years ago but the girls were cute so why not, I don't see how it's worse than "regular" porn. Porn shouldn't exist.
>>119753
I want to relieve you of the pain caused by your hormones and biochemicals in your brain
>>119761
You can have my balls when you pry them from my cold dead hands.
>>119761
>chemicals
>not other people
sure thing liberal
>>119761
I want to relieve people of the danger that eugenicist like you pose. It's all for the good of the people, hand over your balls please.
>>119761
If you're really concerned about the pain incels are in, sterilize yourself since it's eugenicists like you that push for this "survival of the fittest" dating culture.
I mean, your advocacy of sterilization IS just about revealing pain right?
In that case I expect your balls on my desk by this afternoon, anything less would be deeply hypocritical.
>>119765
>>119767
>>119769
>>119764
Why samefag so much? reply once. It's not like anyone would fall for this. It's really transparent.
>>119871
>Only the incel hates eugenics.
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>>119765
>other people
>not me
love the fresh smell of incel cope in the morning.
Incels need to be castrated AND lobotomized as well!
>>120021
Isn’t this how half the modern trans became trans? Do you feel the same way about those folks?

Tbh the biggest proof that the modern left are absolute worthless retards is that they have a huge group of dissatisfied disaffected men who literally believe that they have no stake in society whatsoever and that their lives are irrevocably fucked; people who are literally down to die... and you fucking tards do everything in your power to alienate them and push them to literal fucking Naziism all to appease the idiotic Twitteratis that will get literally all of us fucking killed by the fascists.
>>119767
Tbh tho Incels should be destroyed, but because Incels are by definition weak and pathetic
>>120028
Accurate.
Sexhavers are not alienated
>>120024
Give it your best shot buddy.
>>120021
Agreed my Fuhrer
>>120023
Facts on facts.
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>>120023
>Isn’t this how half the modern trans became trans? Do you feel the same way about those folks?
Seething and copepilled.
>>117960
Depends on where you live. If 6' tall groids live in your vicinity you're fucked. As far as I'm concerned blacks can't be incel
>>117984
Not everyone is blessed with the ability to pick up social cues. Women are too vague.
>>119753
Eugenics in a socialist society should never be allowed. Pol Pot got it right.
>>120023
>Tbh the biggest proof that the modern left are absolute worthless retards is that they have a huge group of dissatisfied disaffected men who literally believe that they have no stake in society whatsoever and that their lives are irrevocably fucked;
Most people can get someone. Even homeless guys you sometimes see snuggled up in their sleeping bags with homeless chicks. IMO "incels" who are fed up with being such have two options. Lower their standards a bit, or hire a hooker.
>people who are literally down to die... and you fucking tards do everything in your power to alienate them and push them to literal fucking Naziism all to appease the idiotic Twitteratis that will get literally all of us fucking killed by the fascists
The thing about twitter and social media in general is its a status game. You can get climb over others status if you put them down (if you "own" them.)
It's got little to do with finding solutions to human problems.
You are correct to point out the hypocrisy. People who are supposedly opposed to sexual objectification often use someone's perceived lack of desirability as something to attack them for,as "neckbeards" ecc.
>>120101
The big elephant needs to be addressed

Why don't women lower their standards?
>>120105
>Why don't women lower their standards?

Probably for the same reason - they have unrealistic expectations.
Dating sites are full of women wondering why they haven't met Tom Hardy on there.
>>120113
The difference is that the chads fuck them when they are young.
>>120118
Yea but they loose out relatively when they get older.
I had a mate who was pretty much a Chad. He was always banging hot girls. I asked him what is was like and he said good, but I won't marry any of them. He said he'd find someone a bit plainer, who was more appreciative to be in the relationship. I said sounds a good plan, but better not tell her that was what you're thinking when you meet her eh.
Where were you when Althusser strangled his gf? Were you crying about your inceldom over the internet? Were you happily married?

Either way, you were way were less based than Althusser, who helped her gf to pass into the afterlife.

all of u are cucks

take the Althusser pill
>>120081
What’s the cope? Saying that cutting your dick off and taking hormones and insisting that you’re the same as a biological woman all because you couldn’t get laid is based?
>>120231
Tbh strangling is only really hot when it’s either during or after sex
>>120101
Um....that’s not even wha I meant, I meant Incels could literally be ride or die marxist comrades if the internet left gave a fuck about appealing to them. Instead the internet left is after the incel demographic that already cut their dicks off.
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>>120079
wtf those are FEMALES they probably fuck chad who is bad to them !! !!
>>120456
I know this is a meme but ngl the widening gap between men and women that libs and the left refuse to acknowledge will at least undermine the social relations of capital enough to help contribute to the dissolution of the system
>>120466
>the widening gap between men and women
Elaborate please.
>>120474
Mfw global rates of “inceldom” are rising by the year, especially in America
>Don’t worry, the third of young men are cool with being single. They’ll just get femme dicks or something
>>120478
This isnt a gap between men and women, it's a gap between incels and the rest of society.
Incel communism by 2050 gang?
>>120480
No, it's a gap between whose having sex and whose not and definitely not the men
>>120231
Althusser is what all men strive to be

#stranglewomen
>>120231
Althusser is what all men strive to be

#stranglewomen
>>120480
Nonsense, more and more men are Incels by the decade. It’s a gap between men and women. And the only real solution is basically society collapsing or WWIII.
>>120113
>>120118
Do what Pol Pot did and prevent monkey branching
>>120484
>No, it's a gap between whose having sex and whose not
Isn't that what I just said?
>>120488
>Nonsense, more and more men are Incels by the decade.
How does this refute anything? Incels are generally anti-social, they don't interact with other men either. So no, it's not a gap between men and women, it's a gap between incels and people who were socialized as kids.
>>120493
anti-social != asocial
>>120493
Either way, already a third of men need to be culled, probably in a War, what happens when half of all men are Incels and you literally half to Thanos-snap roughly 1.5 billion people. Like, fuck, that’s insane.
>>120466
>I know this is a meme but ngl the widening gap between men and women that libs and the left refuse to acknowledge will at least undermine the social relations of capital enough to help contribute to the dissolution of the system
Which is why the left should be making appeals to these incels now, instead of acting like a bitchy high school clique and compounding their social isolation.
>>120498
Like what? State mandated gf? Sick and tired of idpolers shaming the Left for not doing the vague things that you want it to do.
>>120495
k
>>120496
>Either way, already a third of men need to be culled
I very much doubt a third of men are incels. Do you have a source? And no, incels do not need to be culled, stop projecting your death wish and just go kill yourself if you really want to die.
Incels need re-socialization. Which they obviously don't want because meeting people is scary and hating women online is easy, so we have to force them.
>>120474
>the widening gap between men and women
Men and women increasingly cannot relate to each other, or form meaningfull realtionships. To name a few examples: every second mariage ends in divorce while marriage rates decreased, 1 / 4 children live with just one parent (a mother), relationships become more rare and younger people lose their virginity later in life or not at all, around 1 / 20 people are depressed, etc. I just mentioned whatever came to my head with a quick google search to make sure i don't terribly misrepresent anything. Just about any type of interaction between the sexes imaginable has either gotten more alien or toxic and all conceivable papers shows this.

Alienation and wage slavery are among the more obvious reasons for why thats the case. What gets often overlooked in leftists or liberal circles are the pirth control pill, gynocentrism and hypergamy. Single motherhood, depression, suicide, divorce and crime started to increase right after the release of the pill. Humans in general are gynocentric and therefore we see bias in favor of women amongst all echelons of society. Most notable examples are universities, the judicial system, spending habits, ...really everything. People aren't aware of that, or assume its the exact way around, but i think over the last couple decades men unconsciously began to notice this. In any case men are discriminated against practically everywhere (as well as by other men). Women have always pocessed the hypergamous traits that we see today. There were time periods in history in which for every man 17 women reproduced. The modern world with dating apps, social media, and birth control simply highlighted their mate selection into what we see today. It also didnt help that society decided to push women into university or the workforce. Women always marry up, and if 60% of university students are female, in a decaying ecconomy with worthless degrees no less, obviously the pool of edible partners decreases.

And the type of people that are negativley affected most by all of this are undesirable young men as well as society at large. One could just lie and promise state-sponsered gf's or say that socialism will fix those problems to radicalize a few of these people, but realistically thats not going to happen.
>>120499
Imagine being such a fucking retard that the only solution to incel problems you can come up with is identical to what Incels would say. Analyze this shit like a marxist you fucking mong and figure out the actual problems with their lives.
>>120500
Fuck that, I hate the faggotry and cowardice of you people; you claim to hate Incels yet want them to live, what faggotry is this, I want Incels to die because I hate them, they are less than human to me, pathetic, viscerally repulsive. I’d destroy them for the joy of having done it.
>>120502
>Men and women increasingly cannot relate to each other, or form meaningfull realtionships.
Neither can men and men and women and women. We don't just have less sex, we have less friends, talk less to our families etc.
Everything else in your post is just pure retardation. You may not be far off on some points, but definitely not for the reasons you think.
>>120512
Pretty sure that was his intention; to mock the incel solutions to the incel problem.
>>120515
>oh you hate a group yet you don't want to tear out their guts with your bare hands and drink their blood while summoning satan to take their souls into the fiery dephts of hell for eternity... how hypocritical.
>>120517
Point out a singel factual error i made here >>120502
>>120520
Like blaming everything on birth control. Even parenthood. Are you legit retarded?
>>120519
Lmao you can literally just take all the Incels, put em on a battlefield, dig some trenches, and have them kill each other for 10 to 15 years with bi-monthly rations and whoever comes out is no longer an incel and gets to be in society again. Hell, I’d even permit 10 Incels to leave, the last ten win the game.
No need for all this sadist shit you’re suggesting I’d want. Incels either die for the proletarian revolution or for being incels, what’s this rehabilitation sophist shit?
>>120525
It's retarded to think that divorcing sex from having children with technology is not going to change social behaviour related to both.
>>120529
lmao ok.
>>120539
Okay, but then do you have any argument, any logical deduction, that suggests that we have more single mothers because women have access to birth control?
>>120541
Destroying all Incels is the true high IQ opinion
>>120512
>Analyze this shit like a marxist you fucking mong and figure out the actual problems with their lives.
I did and all i got is that this yet another idpol shit used to distract people from class warfare. Reduce alienation (both marxist and non-marxist) accelerated by captialism and the problem is solved
>>120525
>Like blaming everything on birth control. Even parenthood.
I said "single motherhood, depression, suicide, divorce and crime started to increase right after the release of the pill". Look at any of those rates since 1950 and come back at me ape.
>>120551
Here's a lesson that will increase your ability to make arguments by a factor of a thousand: Cause=/=correlation.
>>120547
>it's not idpol when it's "marxist" feminism
>>120553
>dude just like lmfao do you know that cause=/=correlation hahah buddy did you know that omfg :D :DD sure those are like 5 closley related societal trends with similar trens across the west but dude lmfaoooooo im smart and u not :O
>>120555
>it is another incelposter puts words into people’s mouth episode
>>120557
Ultimately it's always correlation. It's not like they can prove "alienation" or "capitalism" are the cause either.
>>120559
Dude what the fuck do you think Das Kapital is?
>>120561
I meant for adult male virginity, single moms, promiscuity etc.
>>120562
like here
>>120547
>>120563
I'm sure if you press him he will provide an argument to justify his position. You haven't.
>>120541
The obvious argument is that single motherhood increased directly after the introduction of the pill in several countries. Whats noteworthy is that the rate of single motherhood spiked not after the original release of the birth control in 1960, but its implementation in its respective country + roughly 5 years.

The second argument is that if you give people the choice to fuck around without having the risk of children (or making it feel worse like with condoms), people are going to fuck around more. And since the pill dosent have a 100% prevention rate girls will end up as single mothers.
>>120570
"the obvious argument" was not an argument, you just restated your thesis.
I think the argument you did make is extremely weak. Having to use a condom is not going to be what makes the difference on whether or not you decide to have sex.
A better argument would be that women might forget to take their pill, which obviously doesn't happen with condoms. And then I doubt this will happen more often than a malfunctioning condom.
>>120573
>Having to use a condom is not going to be what makes the difference on whether or not you decide to have sex
Stupid take. It's why I don't bother with prostitutes.
>>120573
His argument is that many will simply not use a condom because it makes the sensation worse which is the entire point, while a pill does not so it gets used much more.
>>120574
>>120575
So in reality birth control should be more effective than condoms at preventing birth because you're less likely to skip it for the penile sensation.
>>120573
I provided context to my thesis. Saying "correlation not causation" only goes so far. If you see 5 related sociatel trends that all behave similary to a specific event across time and country its not unreasonable to assume causation.

Also i never said using a condom or not is the be all end all of sex. Let me be more clear: If you give people the means to fuck around without any reduced sensation and minimal risk of pregnancy, then people will fuck more. Do you really take offense with the idea that young people want to fuck around and have good sex without the risk of getting children?
>>120551
You have found a correlation, now find us the causation. Or else a decrease in piracy is behind global warming also.
>>120594
>If you give people the means to fuck around without any reduced sensation and minimal risk of pregnancy, then people will fuck more.
As someone who has put the penis into the vagina, and hangs around people who put the penis into the vagina, I've never heard anyone ever say "yeah I would've fucked her, but she wanted me to use a condom".
It just doesn't match the reality I've experienced, and the argument in general seems extremely weak to me.
>Do you really take offense with the idea that young people want to fuck around and have good sex without the risk of getting children?
No, of course not. Although you should still use a condom when you have sex with strangers to avoid STDs.
>>120607
>"yeah I would've fucked her, but she wanted me to use a condom".
Nice strawman, they will still try to o it without and females are less likely to demand that than take birth control. The "cost" of condoms in discomfort is much higher than for pills which is why they are used less and less effective.
>>120607
>Although you should still use a condom when you have sex with strangers to avoid STDs.
But they don't because it feels better that way. STDs have massively risen, especially resitatant ones because they waste antibiotics so priviliged cunts have consequence-free hedonistic pleasure instead of saving it for disadvataged people who need it.
>>120601
Either read the thread or take that fifth grader tier logic and shove it up your arse
>>120607
Basically >>120615. I think you should look at this from the perspective of society at large with simple probabilty estimations.
>>120615
I don't know how to argue this. Your case is so weak but you'll cling so desperately to it.
You claim men will try to fuck without a condom, which would have obviously led to many more pregnancies pre-pill era, but your argument is that it didn't because..?
>>120635
1) Fucking with condom < fucking without condom
2) Getting pregnant < not getting pregnant
3) Using pill => best of 1 and 2
4) Using condom => only best of 2
5) pill => more fucking than with condom => more pregnancy due to unintended failure
Rocket science everyone
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>>120619
>I think you should look at this from the perspective of society at large with simple probabilty estimations.
based an stochastics pilled
>>120643
Alright, so I tried to see if your thesis actually correlated with reality as we have assumed up until now, but I can't find anything that goes back to the 50s, and it seems teen pregnancies have gone down a lot in the past 30 years (although unwanted pregnancies are much higher among low income people), so can you please post the statistics?
Never forget the day
When leftists chose to appeal to less than a percent of the population
Over 25% of the young male population on Earth
>>120699
Have sex.
>>120450
>Tbh strangling is only really hot when it’s either during or after sex
Yes but you need to be careful. Please stay away from the voice box /Adams apple area-damage there can leading to a swelling, which can stop them being able to breath.
A "blood choke", compression of the carotid arteries in the side of the neck (like the jiu-jitsu guys do) is safer, as long as you don't hold it on too long.
You can always give them a few gentle slaps around the face, as they start to loose consciousness.
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There is no end to this shit. Everything they force on others in the name of freedom, all so some cunts can live out their decadence. I despise people.
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>>120650
Pic related should explain what im talking about. I couldn't find a good set for rate of single motherhood, but going by whats in *1) that rate should follow the rest as well. I could scale these rates towards each other, but i dont think thats necessary, since the trend is already quite clear.
Single motherhood per 1k https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/republicans/2017/12/love-marriage-and-the-baby-carriage-the-rise-in-unwed-childbearing#endnote-017
Violent Crime per 100k: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/homicides-per-100000-people-per-year?time=1920..2009&country=AUS+CAN+IRL+NZL+USA
Marriage & Divorce per 1k: https://www.infoplease.com/us/marital-status/marriages-and-divorces-1900-2012
Births per 1k: https://www.infoplease.com/us/births/live-births-and-birth-rates-year
Suicide per 1k: https://www.infoplease.com/us/mortality/death-rates-suicide-1950-2010
>>120755
The black line doesn't really relate to the graph trends. Births start to plateau and then decline 10 years before it, marriage goes down 10 years before line and goes up 10 years after, divorce plateaus 20 years with the line in the middle before going up, then coming down again. Seems much more likely other factors are determinant.
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>>120759
Here is a feature scaled version
>>120783
Also as mentioned befor i didnt include single motherhood but from the references earlier provied here is a fitting quote:
<Why did more and more single women give birth over time? For starters, sexual activity among single women increased. Data are most readily available for teenagers, though the increase seems to have been larger for older women. The share of never-married 19-year-old women who were sexually experienced began rising around 1960, when roughly one in four reported they had ever had sex. The figure was 45 percent by 1972 (see Figure 9). From 1972 to 1982, the share of 18- to 19-year-old women ever having had premarital sex rose from 45 percent to 66 percent. Teenage sexual activity peaked in 1988 before it began to steadily decline. Today, teen sex is probably near or below its early 1980s levels, though still much higher than levels in the 1960s and early 1970s.16 In 2013, 43 percent of 15- to 19-year-olds had already had sex, and 63 percent of never-married 18- to 19-year-olds had.17
>>120713
I have, animalistic activities aren’t as remarkable as internet tards think
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>>120783
correlation != causation
Even looking at that graph things were rebounding even before the birth control pill and it would have taken a while from its invention to become widespread enough to cause an impact.

Not to mention the lead poisoned boomers were a more likely culprit for the crime boom
>>120804
All of those trends can also be observerd in the uk. And even if that wasn't the case you can't just say "correlation != causation" towards 6 independent societal trends so closley related. Especially since its rather easy to imagine how birth control might influence divorce rates, which in turn influence crime rates, suicide and birth rates.
>>120812
it might have been anything that happened around that time tho, pretty sure you can also graph the increase in atmospheric radioactive isotopes to those trends

you need to construct a plausible causal theory before you claim victory
>>120559
>Ultimately it's always correlation. It's not like they can prove "alienation" or "capitalism" are the cause either.
This, where's the machine measures alienation. What's the standard mesasurement for "surplus value".
They want double blind empirical studies on social trends that occur over generations and for billions of people but ask for the same and you'll get shoulder shruggs.
>>120499
>Like what? State mandated gf? Sick and tired of idpolers shaming the Left for not doing the vague things that you want it to do.
>muh false dichotomy.
That rich coming from Marxists that want a bloodly coup of absolutely anyone that so much as looks like a capitalist with their every social relation must be torn down rhetoric.
>>120819
So do you think Marxists should STFU about capitalism, since you could draw correlations between worker explotation and Hailey's comment. :^)
>>120873
*Hailey's comet. :^)
>>120863
> What's the standard mesasurement for "surplus value".
It can be universally measured in labour time don't be a dullard.
>>120873
at least finish your joke yourself
>>120897
>It can be universally measured in labour time don't be a dullard.
mudpies
But seriously, if there's a social mean time to producing something why is everything produced for seas. The Chinese are demonstrably vastly more inefficient at manufacturing then the highly technical west.
>>120897
>It can be universally measured in labour time don't be a dullard.
What about alienation, and what about providing empirical evidence that its wage labor causing porlky to be rich. As the last anon constantly drones on about, correlation doesn't equal causality. The exploration could be caused by global warming!
>>120910
*the exploitation
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>>120819
>you need to construct a plausible causal theory before you claim victory
No, not really. I can make a few guesses as to why the pill influences these aformentioned trends, as well as others, but thats just speculation on my part. I can say with certainty however, that the birth control pill has caused an increase in crime, divorce, single motherhood, gov. spending, as well as a decrease of birthrates (duh). Inb4 correlation not causation: it would be a cosmic joke of a coincidence if these societal trends from the usa, uk, and germany just so happen to all perfectly overlap across time right after one specific invention just so happens to change the relations between the sexes.
>>120962
>No, not really.
Today i learned that ice cream increases your chances of drowning

Again, without a direct link its purly speculative. it could very well be that the leaded gasoline caused this as well and would explain why in your graphs all the "bad stuff" started dropping off in the late 80's early 90's

correlation does not equal causation

also LOLing at you know these were made by racist libertarians because 'government spending' is included with all the bad things (probably becuase of muh welfare for chads/tyrones babies)
>>120967
So nothing can be drawn from the same trends across several countries across several decades.
There was leaded gas before 1960 so your lead in gas link doesn't follow.
It shows a sharp increase in bad things over several decades, you ever think maybe the pill did cause negative changes but a strong counter to it didn't emerge until the 1980s.
>>120971
Funny thing is, most of the things on those graphs were already starting to go up before the pill was invented AND it would have taken like a decade for the effects of the pill to become widespread enough to start showing up. Most likely to me it seems that the pill LOWERED the rates of homicide etc. And that also helps prove the leaded gasoline theory because people who are most affected by lead (babies) would have needed time to grow up to start effecting the stats
>>120967
>racist libertarians because 'government spending'
You are such a dumb faggot. The point of my graphs was to show the extended effects of the pill and highlight the unlikleyhood of mere correlation. But to you some shit like "cheese vs leaded gasoline per 1000 topmodel rate XD" is the same as wider societal trends across time and country immediatley after a technlogical invention. Eat shit retard
>>120975
Data befor 1960 on some of those trends is pretty hard to come by. So there is a bit of ambiguity there, but its just false to say that most trends went up befor 1960. The only trend that reversed befor 1960 was birthrates & suicides of the USA, and not by much. The pill was introduced in Britan at 1961, but only married women had access to it, that restriction was removed 6 years later in 1967. And it took about 1 year until the use of the pill became a norm. Thats how i understand it in any case and some details can be wrong, i skipped over a lot of trivialities while searching for these datasets tbh.

One intresting thing is that at roughly 7 & 18 years after the introduction of the pill many of these trends reverse. To my knowledge divorces in marriages peak at year 7 in general & 18 years is obviously the time it requires to raise an adult.
Anyway, back to the original topic of incel castration, like I suggested earlier, I say we do away with this castration nonsense and just have all the Incels fight some sort of war that culls off their population and turns the survivors into steely eyed men.
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>>121062
>have all the Incels fight some sort of war
No, in a game show.
>>120231
Literally who?
>>121062
t. self loathing incel
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>>121524
Caring about looks is peak spectacle.
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>>121532
t. uggo
>>121532
so why are they so afraid of using their IRL photos as a profile? why are they so insecure about their own look?
>>121532
Peopl e who say they do not care aboutt looks are simply lieing, humans are biologically programmed to do so even if they don't realize it.
>>121538
>le human nature

doesn't exist, it's social Darwinism which is just scientific fascism
>>121538
Are you a leftist because Marx looks so great?
Daily reminder to incelposter to pluck his unibrow and stop watching bestiality porn.
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>>121550
not marx, but stalin
People whose sense of justice depends on their sympathy towards the disenfranchised were born without spine.
>>121545
>all facts that go against my wordview are fascism
Why are liberals so fucking retarded. Simply denying things because you don't like them makes you look like an idiot or evil because only those who are good looking benefit from their advantage being cobered up instead of exposing and possibly mitigating it.
>>121553
>>121555
The aestheticization of politics is the basis of fascism.
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>>121558
No it's capitalist reaction. Also if people didn't care about looks you could not use it to your advantage in te first place. taller and better looking candidates are more likely to win.
>>121558
take a fucking joke
>>121555
fuck off humanity doesn't exist nor does human nature it's been disproven several times you stupid piece of shit, read marx.
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>>121566
you almost had me there
>>121563
People doing something does not mean it is good, should be followed or that they can't (and shouldn't) change.
>>121558
>the basis for politics is to be found in the realm of ideas and culture
>>121569
t. spooked retard
>>121571
Who are you quoting?
>>121570
Acknowledging a problem exists is a necessary firsst step to fight it.
>>121575
why are you passive aggressive, did I hurt your libshit feelings?
Just stopping by to say that evopsy is mostly legit and needs to be incorporated into modern Marxism.

Also incels need reeducation.
>>116579
The USSR was state feminist.
>>121677
ok bucko
>>116615
>we should not allow people to be persecuted because they are homosexual
<dude shut up with the idpol
>>116643
Even if they are, making it impossible for people with different tastes to live their lives is reactionary because it makes it impossible to construct a free society.
>>121703
>free society
There is no such thing, fuck off soros. Freedom is just another word for power which is how much you impose your will over that of others.
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>>117758
>That which you perceive as "personal agency" is just a part of the structure.
You're like that story Zizek likes to tell about Buddhists being good murderers because they don't believe in the self, except with sex.
>>121703
I would prefer some real material freedom first, thanks.
>>117987
If you would turn down a 1/10, you're not an incel.
>>122106
>sexual inequality doesn't exist
>>119438
>There is zero material incentive to deliberately fuck up the field of psychology to make it even harder to treat people with mental health issues. The immediate effect would be to screw over worker productivity, not to mention that if porky ever gets a bipolar kid or something they'd want to be sure their kid is treated correctly.
>capitalism is a unified conspiracy on the part of the bourgeoisie
You're an idiot. Psychiatrists fuck up their patients because it keeps them coming back for more business.
>>122169
If you can get sex you're not an incel.
>>119659
What the fuck is a hamstick
>>122198
I can't though. But even among those who can some clearly have far more/better than others.
>>120451
>why are you ideology X?
>you could get more followers if you were ideology Y instead!
>>122229
To be fair, you have to be very high IQ to have tranny ideology.
>>120570
What year do you live in where abortions don't exist?
>>122268
Retard, abortions are much more uncomfortable so they are used a lot less. Even if some percentage aborted, the overall trend would still apply.
>>121571
>rights and privileges are the same thing
Based retard stalin
>>121713
>my freedom to do what I want robs you of your freedom to prevent me from doing what I want
Bruh you're so profound
Sex is literally the primary motivation for the most ancient and cruel roots of evil and hypocrisy. Nobody ever asked to be born. yet these selfish primates continue to kill, enslave, humiliate, and drive men into despair in a battle royale of blood and cum to be the apex predator. Every human is a mass murderer when they have sex.
>>122367
What are you gonna do about it? That whole post was cringe my man.
>>122367
>YES meme with anprim chad on the right panel
>>121876
Eww weird, the non-binary family look like they’re out of “Children of the Corn”.
>>122791
I was thinking about posting that video in a bit while I was showering
>>122367
go walk your poodle some more, Arthur
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>>123363
I don't get it, is this some boomer meme or what?
>>123363
Q.E.D.: the incel keeps hinging on his [void], he can not lose.
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>>123363
the fear the volcel and his immense power
>>117869
>personal responsibility2 is always used to put the blame for theindividual outcomes under a system on the individual in order to defend the system from assault and always used by those who were given a good result by it. This both makes their position and luck "deserved" and those at the bottom desrrving of their fate as well. If you took away the spook of "persnoal resposibility" those you fucked over might come after you.
This, citing "personal responsibility" is equivalent to wonder why most people lose money in casinos when IT'S POSSIBLE they could all be winning.
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>>122298
Yes. Rights are privileges granted by Stalin.
>>123756
Who am I supposed to sympathize with in this comic?
>>123814
the author for being mentally ill
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/11408327/Why-do-people-donate-to-dog-charities-when-children-are-dying.html
>people care about the disabl-
No, they don't.
Fuck neurotypicals, fuck communism and fuck your marxist humanism.
Lumpen and proudly so.
>>124447
>people don't care about the disabled, that's why communism is bad!
t. (You)
>>124465
Marxism cares about democracy and proletarians.
I am a worker but I am lumpenproletarian. As an autist I am uncharismatic reason why I particulary hate democracies, because it sees being normal as being perfect and mob rule is a huge threat against my survival.
Your ideology literally wants to genocide me my dude.
>>124471
When was the last time you fucked over workers to get by my dude?
NEETbux doesn't count as lumpenproletarianism since more tax money goes to other things that fuck workers instead anyways
>>124474
Satan-kun I already told neetbux don't exist where I live.
>When was the last time you fucked over workers to get by my dude?
Rarely ever. But workers constantly fuck over me to get by
>since more tax money goes to other things that fuck workers instead anyways
True, such as farming subsides.
But you won't see fiscal conservatives complaining about that.
>>124475
I have terrible memory.
How the fuck are you considered a lumpen? You're incel right? That's different still. Incels don't by nature do unsavory things to survive. An incel who raped someone wouldn't be an incel anymore.
>>124476
>How the fuck are you considered a lumpen?
I am 'disabled'.
>You're incel right?
No.
>An incel who raped someone wouldn't be an incel anymore.
Incels are not the same thingy as virgins, at least not anymore.
I am neither.
>pussied out
Called it.
Too bad I am already used to it.
Convince me that positive discrimination shouldn't be fought against tooth and nail for the regressive shit that is it by the left.
https://elemental.medium.com/why-womens-bodies-are-better-suited-for-space-travel-dc1e5513ae36
>Women’s bodies and minds are uniquely suited for space missions. They’re physically more efficient in many ways, and mentally hearty.
<Caucasian’s bodies and minds are uniquely...
>>125162
im going to go ahead and bump this for you
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>>15551

Can someone here in /idpol/ gulag give me a quick rundown about the recent "say trans rights" meme?

Thanks.
>>125237
imagine nazis but they have pink hair
>>125237
Seems very forced. I don't like it.
Human rights!
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>>125162
good grief women's bodies evolved (causal conversational creationism should really be done away with ) for an M-type planet with 1g gravitational pull, 1 Atmosphere of pressure with a mix of roughly 20% O² and 80% N gas composition , and a temperature range from about 10-35′C.
So no womens bodies weren't "made for space" you know with a near absolute vacuum, extremely harsh ionizing radiation, and temperature ranges from near absolute zero to hundreds of degrees C

While the rest of the article make some reasonable points about the reduced life-support system requirements, but based on that one could also conclude to that people with dwarfism would be the most suited to astronauts.(while also breaking the record for midget-throwing, which is considerably more difficult accomplishment than vagina-first-ing, given the statistics)

The rest of the article is basically inverted conservatism cringe, women don't belong in the kitchen they belong on mars.

Anyway this is as reactionary of a position than all the others that don't advocate for equality.
>>125427
>the sandnigger incel is a manlet
BRUH
>Anyway this is as reactionary of a position than all the others that don't advocate for equality.
Leftism is not egalitarianism.
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>>125495
>the sandnigger incel is a manlet BRUH
I don't know how to decode your jargon, I'm assuming that that you insulted me in some fashion. I retort with , insults are the absences of a counter-argument and as such represent conceding the debate-point.

>Leftism is not egalitarianism.
Yes it is in the sense that we don't frame society as battle between the sexes. Neil Armstrong didn't claim the moon for the penis, and neither would a women setting foot on mars claim that planet for the vagina. That's just festering brain-rot.

Just to make sure you do realize that the midget-tossing reference is meant in a satirical way, to mock article for cherry picking data to make an intellectually dishonest point. Given the harsh conditions of a Mars-mission with people & nt jsut robots, you can't select people based on anything other than their suitability, and not some side-quest like midget-tossing.
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fuck space
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>>125589
>fuck space
so teleportation then ?
>>125608
we shall die on this godforsaken rock.
>>125427
>>125536
>some side-quest like tossing midgets out of Earth's orbit
lmao'd my ass off
agree with posts though, good take down.
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>>125613
I see you are the ambitious type, taking the entire planet with you.
>>125536
>insults are the absences of a counter-argument and as such represent conceding the debate-point
gay rhyme
>>125621
>>125427
>>125536
>some side-quest like tossing midgets out of >Earth's orbit
>lmao'd my ass off
>agree with posts though, good take down.
oh good somebody understood it
>>15551
What are feminist and sexual revolution supporters going to do with all these single old women who will die alone because Chad won't marry them, and betas won't date down and marry a woman that's nothing but liabilities?
The oldest millennial women are hitting 40 now and the panic is starting to get palpable.
I've heard people predict that women's suicide rate begin to climb and match and may even exceed that of men.
Ironically, the feminists that built their ideology on male disposability may have in fact made women more disposable than men. A single man can work much longer and harder than a single women even into middle age. But middle aged women are net liabilities to everyone one from potential suitors to the bourgeoisie. Which is why old religions like Christianity made divorce borderline illegal, Because they know middle aged men would bail on their cranky old wives. For all the oppression that feminists claim the nuclear family foists on women, it's still a far and away better life than being single in your old and middle age.
https://nymag.com/thecut/2016/02/political-power-single-women-c-v-r.html
>“In 2009, the proportion of American women who were married dropped below 50 percent. In other words, for the first time in American history, single women (including those who were never married, widowed, divorced, or separated) outnumbered married women. Perhaps even more strikingly, the number of adults younger than 34 who had never married was up to 46 percent, rising 12 percentage points in less than a decade. For women under 30, the likelihood of being married has become astonishingly small: Today, only around 20 percent of Americans ages 18–29 are wed, compared to nearly 60 percent in 1960.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_uDrH9a1ng
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Me? I call myself a tranny chaser.
>>125729
We don't need women to marry or be happy in old age, just to pop out more workers.
t. Porky
>>125729
Unlike men, a lot of women do not view being single as that much of a burden. There are even studies out there that shows that single and widowed women are happier than their married counterparts. Not being in a relationship doesn't have to be that bad if you have a strong social network around you to compensate for a lack of partner. Women usually have more social connections than men, which is probably why they handle singledom better than men.
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>>125729
the capitalist class extracts too much surplus out of people, so there's not enough left to do all the family stuff.

Your happy family era was in the great compression, when the capitalists couldn't exploit people as hard.
>>125759
>Unlike men, a lot of women do not view being single as that much of a burden.
This is entirely predicated on age, young men view being single as a burden, young women don't. Old men are happy being single, old women are not.
>There are even studies out there that shows that single and widowed women are happier than their married counterparts.
A widower is not the same as a single mother or a woman that never married.
There's studies that boys who grow up without a father due to death are much more well adjusted than boys that grew up fatherless due to abandonment.
A widower had a marriage a some point in her life, and most likely children and grandchildren they have a bond with.
Single mothers and women that never married (cat ladies) don't have those ties.
>>125759
Not being in a relationship doesn't have to be that bad if you have a strong social network around you to compensate for a lack of partner.
Easier said than done. Married women have extensive social networks because the guys family has a vested interest in their well being. Single mothers and cat ladies don't have this.
>Women usually have more social connections than men, which is probably why they handle singledom better than men.
"Connections" is a dubious term, as you get older you need real support, more than all buy your closet friends and family are going to be able to provide.
How many of these "connections" could these women sign over a power of attorney to? Get an organ from? Etc. A married woman could definitely get these though.
Not many, much of modern women's "connections" are quite shallow.
>>125765
Old single women are generally happier than old single men. Take a look at the suicide statistics for older single men if you don't believe me. Single mothers have kids and friends and cat ladies have friends, and, eh, cats. Loneliness is a much bigger problem among older men than older women.
>>125770
The suicide rate for men of any age is 3x that of women. It has nothing to do with being single or old.
Men are treated like shit and indoctrinated to see themselves as disposable.
>>125777
There's never been this many never married "cat ladies" than now, and the suicide rate for women ticked up for the first time while men's rate stayed flat.
I'm talking about the future of millennial women who's never married status presents an unprecedented shift in material conditions.
The only way past data would be useful is if it was only women that never married.
>>125777
There's never been this many never married "cat ladies" than now, and the suicide rate for women ticked up for the first time while men's rate stayed flat.
I'm talking about the future of millennial women who's never married status presents an unprecedented shift in material conditions.
The only way past data would be useful is if it was only women that never married.
>>125781
Spinsters and cat ladies have always been around and I have yet to see a single study that shows that the fare particularly badly mental health wise. I'm not worried about the cat lady demographic personally, the rise of mental health issues and suicides among men is more concerning.
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It's interesting that male suicide rate mostly stays stable until 74 while it almost doubles for women from ~20 to ~54.
>slavery, dehumanization of the disabled, prejuices against mental illnesses, nazbol propaganda, Beefsteak Nazism, dirtbag left using 'anti-idpol' to justify bigotry, stirnerite idealism, dirtbag lifestylism...
I sleep
>incels
REAL SHIT?
>>125785
>Spinsters and cat ladies have always been around and I have yet to see a single study that shows that the fare particularly badly mental health wise.
They definitely have that reputation, and isolation is proven to negatively impact mental health.
And the suicide rate of men is worse than women in the 60+ age racket when they are retired.
I'm talking about millennials entering middle aged in the 2020's.
>I'm not worried about the cat lady demographic personally, the rise of mental health issues and suicides among men is more concerning.
I don't think there much to worry about. They'll still be able to work, and they'll have blossoming careers, especially in STEM, which men dominate.
Men never benefited from the welfare state (see homeless men and the almost complete lack of homeless women for proof) so they have always worked. Women, not so much, tons of infertile women unable to get themselves back on welfare by pooping out another child and facing bleak job prospects I think will be a major problem.
>>125792
>stirnerite idealism,
Spook cope
>>125794
If men have it so good why are their suicide rates so much higher than women's suicide rates?
>>125800
They have more willpower
>>125794
The concern trolling about the old woman who has forsaken marriage and will die alone has been around since women entered the workforce. So far, women have been doing pretty well for themselves.
>>125800
Because women in past generations were married with children and family courts literally send men to debtors prison for not paying women money, but millennial women won't have this.
>>125804
Or more mental health issues.
>“I just saw the Chapo guys over there.” I had in fact just come from attempting to talk to Chapo Trap House host Will Menaker, but he’d answered five different questions the same way: “I need to ask my girlfriend.” Soon enough, the girlfriend, Katherine Krueger, joins us, having heard from Will that her insights were needed. (She and Rabbit White have a podcast of their own in vitro. Working titles: Disassocialism or Eyes Wide Sluts. “Our group chat is called ‘untitled socialite project,’” says Krueger. “We want to have Cat Marnell’s ex-PCP dealer on.”)
>The transcendent moment, in my opinion, is her reading, lilted out in her husky voice, of three lines from a poem that reduced the audience to screams: “I would rather die than work / I would rather die than work / I would rather die than work.”
>The climax occurs shortly thereafter: a “cake sitting” by performance artist Lindsay Dye, who twerks rhythmically on a “vajazzled cake” she baked with her own hands, singing along to Kate Bush’s “Wuthering Heights.” The audience goes wild, singing and throwing dollar bills, which mix in with the frosting as she rubs cake all over her haunches.
https://www.thecut.com/2019/11/rachel-rabbit-white-poetry-book-launch-party.html
>>125809
So maybe worry more about older men than older women then?
>>125806
>The concern trolling about the old woman who has forsaken marriage and will die alone has been around since women entered the workforce. So far, women have been doing pretty well for themselves.
Women didn't want to join the workforce, the one's that do leave after having a kid.
Again, there's never been this many unmarried women.
You really think middle aged millennials will be happy working until they die in a single bedroom apartment? Because they seem to be freaking out now.
And women that never married were demonstrably rare in the recent past (1950's-1970's) and I'd be dollars to doughnuts many of them were actually lesbians that were barred from being wed.
>>125792
>incels
>REAL SHIT?
Telling isn't it? Even self proclaimed Marxist had deeply entrenched interests in male disposability.
>In its original context, the "narrow-sense sexy son hypothesis" of Weatherhead and Robertson refers to mating systems with care from both parents. In these mating systems, females that mate with a polygynous male normally receive less assistance than females mated with a monogamous male,[9] and thus suffer from direct fitness consequences that have to be (at least) compensated for by the breeding successes of their sexy sons. On the other hand, a "broad-sense sexy son hypothesis" encompasses both polygyny and promiscuous mating systems, with and without care from both parents. Alatalo (1998)[10] argues that the costs of any additional choice may be so minor that female choice for honestly signaling males, that is good genes, may evolve even if the indirect benefits on offspring quality are small. A similar argument can be made for the sexy son hypothesis if mates of attractive males do not suffer any direct fitness consequences.[11]
What feminism/free love does is reduce this cost for mating with attractive/promiscuous males so that a male's sexual success becomes even more important for a female's mate choice. As more and more females choose a minority of males and more and more of the cost of their activity is put on the backs of the excluded males those males have less and less a stake in the society they are “lucky” to be part of.
>>125765
>There's studies that boys who grow up without a father due to death are much more well adjusted than boys that grew up fatherless due to abandonment
Probably because the child can still depend on the family of the father.
>>125806
There's more unmarried women than married women now. That wasn't the case in the past.
The health issues alone are cause for concern. We have super STD's and rising infection rates now because of a combination of women's promiscuity and women all sleeping with the same small cohort of top tier men. Problems like this will become more pronounced in the future I believe.
>>125812
I'm more interested in how sexual revolution supporters are going to reconcile all these negative effects with their rhetoric.
I have a feeling they'll just do what they are doing now. Melt into the shadows and pretend they never supported it.
>>>
>>125815
Nonsense. Women want to be able to combine a career and kids. Working class women have always worked and middle class housewives were fucking miserable.
>>125825
>middle class were more unhappy than lower class
the mind of the feminist
>>125787
What I see is the suicide rate going up across the board, mostly. The prime problem remains capitalism ruining our lives, the gendered details are window dressing.
>>125823
>We have super STD's and rising infection rates
The only problem is that they are too slow and that those that go to enjoy all the promiscuity did mostly not have to suffer these.
>>125819
>What feminism/free love does is reduce this cost for mating with attractive/promiscuous males so that a male's sexual success becomes even more important for a female's mate choice. As more and more females choose a minority of males and more and more of the cost of their activity is put on the backs of the excluded males those males have less and less a stake in the society they are “lucky” to be part of.
Children of single mother's none the less come up far more maladjusted than their nuclear family counterparts.
It's hilarious how feminists will endlessly REEEE about non existent state mandated girlfriends and sex slaves for incels but the devastating impact female promiscuity has on children is well documented but never weighed in the debate on the sexual revolution.
There's this odd mental cleave between women having sex when and where they want, and the resulting children that that behavior produces.
>>125827
You didn't say that during the sexual liberal revolution.
>>125826
Working class women were miserable just like any worker under capitalism is miserable. The fact that housewives hated their lives and doped themselves up on valium despite being rather affluent is pretty telling.
>>125830
Who is this we you speak of, white man?
>>125811
this sucks and makes me want to die. i mean marx knew how to party and get drunk -- marx and his buds were massive party animals -- but it wasn't a "political" thing and they didn't have to justify it to anyone. anyways socialism is irrelevant to these people other than as a vague lifestyle brand and an edgy way to substitute for a lack of personality among a bunch of rich jackoffs in new york, hence the weird contortionist act of couching a grotesque celebration of conspicuous, exhibitionist consumption as liberation.
>>125825
>Housewives were unhappy, so that means they're definitely happy in the workforce and gaining nothing in the process due to rising living standards.
t. porky
>>125834
the western left
>>125833
Were housewives miserable though? We take it as a given because feminist insist on it, but seeing as how women universally leave the workforce after having children, even high earning jobs like doctors, this doesn't seem to be the case.
>>125837
There is nothing wrong with work or labor, the problem is capitalist exploitation.
>>125839
ah yes, "the left"
>>125841
This is retarded, most would not work if they got nothing in return which means hey don't like it.
>>125840
Are they really leaving the workforce for good or are they just working part time?
>>125841
What does this have to do with feminist lying that being a housewife is super oppressive and working for porky being liberating?
Maybe being a housewife did suck, but being able to raise your own children has to be more gratifying then selling your labor everyday.
>>125845
They leave their careers, so they essentially leave the workforce. Working an easy part time job when you have a master degree is leaving the work force my man.
>>125837
*rising living costs.
>>125811
Why are east coast women so dumpy?
>>125855
too much cocaine
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Project enter me, enhancing STDs, opening holes
there's a notion that's popular these days about the category of 'woman' being entirely based on gender identity and having no reference to biology. this is the entire basis of how we can acknowledge both cis women and trans women as women- because the word has been defined in this way, this statement is categorically true.

however this doesn't really sit right with me. gender identity should be an important part of how we address a person, but it is surely the case that there are material differences between a cis woman and a trans woman. not only do you have sexually inverse socialization until whatever age you transition fully but there are absolutely differences in biology that manifest in how men and women think. men and women demonstrably have different sex drives and the stimuli that activates their drives is altogether different. post-puberty men who transition to women are going to have aspects of their post-testosterone explosion brain transfer over to their new female identity. i only really know of the sexuality differences as a chief male/female brain difference (and i'm sure that there are other big differences than this) but just the sexuality differences alone are something that must be acknowledged right? materially a trans and cis woman are not the same. the way they interface with sexuality as a bare minimum is going to be different from a cis woman. this makes the notion of calling both cis women and trans women 'women' as a category feel a little bit off. focusing on gender identity alone is simply not an accurate delineating line for this category.

im curious to know the thoughts here regarding the establishment of 'women' as a word defining gender expression solely. and more broadly, i would like to expand my knowledge on the brain differences between cis men and cis women to better understand sex differences.
>>126197
there are like 10 gorrillion studies pointing that trans people's brains align fairly closely to their gender identity, so idk what to tell you there m8
>>125811
“I would rather die than work / I would rather die than work / I would rather die than work.”
t. degenerate chapo

"In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly – only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"
t. chad Marx
>>126341
The sexed brain is pseudoscience, honey.
>>126197
>gender identity should be an important part of how we address a person
No.
>>125847
Having to beg your husbanduru for money in order to be able to do anything is way worse than getting a job. Women were kept in perpetual infantilism by men.
>>126349
I was responding to the rhetoric around brains in this person's post.
It's easier to tell people they're wrong by giving them more approachable answers within their rhetoric m8.
New here, thought I'd ask a question that's always confused me though is probably basic.

What is with the push for "bathroom rights"?
From my experience gender-neutral bathrooms work well and I'd be all for them but:
1. Don't you have the right to use the bathroom of the opposite sex already? Other people may frown upon it (or worse) but in theory there's no right/law stopping you
2. Won't the people who frown upon you (or worse) for using the opposite sex bathroom still act out with contempt for sharing a bathroom?

I guess I'm really just asking why push for "rights" when from what I know it's really all to do with attitude of the ignorant?
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>>126197
There's little to no difference in higher reasoning between the sexes, but higher reasoning is a learned skill. The human brain has the potential for universal intelligence, but it's not innate. People do tend to prefer using these higher reasoning skills over innate cognitive patterns once they gained these cognitive skills, which indicates that higher reasoning skills may have lower metabolic cost for problem solving.

There's probably sex differences in the "monekey-brain-part" but this isn't as simplistic as you want it it to be, because brains aren't like neatly sorted file cabinets, where different drawers and folders have neatly separated functions.

the sexual reproductive strategy of trans-women-identity people is believed to be mimicking female appearance and behaviours to avoid the sexual selection pressure of a tournament species (infiltrate the harem, rather than competing for matting rights). There is basically no science done on this because of it being a political hot-potato no serious researcher wants to get burned with. So we don't know to what degree this is conscious. Currently it's believed to be mostly unconscious, and the push for removing biological criteria from the "women-category" is based on the assumption that there is basically a suicide switch attached to the notion of failing the female mimicry part. So it's not really a scientific claim but rather an appeal to play along to avoid the suicides. Mind you none of this is really substantiated by empirical evidence. There is some evidence for the brains of trans-women-identified persons to have biological aspects (see pdf attached to this post) but to be honest it basically argues with the size of certain brain regions, which makes it correlative evidence not causal evidence. But wait there is more, there are at least 2 different cohorts of trans-women-identified persons, that show significant differences in various areas including diaspora symptoms. So it's quite likely that there are multiple phenomena behind that may not be related.

From a scientific standpoint there is no way you are getting past biological categorisations, that includes sexual dimorphism of the entire body. The people that are pushing for changing biological categorisation to no longer correspond with empirical evidence are attempting to interfere with the scientific process. There's a long history of people attempting impose their dogmatic believes and equally long list defeats. Consider that the churches that had to be overcome historically were much more powerful any of the current lobby groups.

The relevant field where we might get a clearer picture is probably neurology and this field is currently being attacked by various interests groups, resulting in up to 95% of submitted papers being done in bad faith. While this is an exercise in futility, because accurate knowledge leads to disproportionately greater power in the long and inaccurate knowledge leads to defeat, it's still a problem in the mean time, where science tourists like us are going to have hard time distinguishing science facts from fiction with scientific paint. Science is a process with a specific method, not an Oracle.
>>126363 (me)
>diaspora symptoms.
dysphoria symptoms
>>126362
>1. Don't you have the right to use the bathroom of the opposite sex already? Other people may frown upon it (or worse) but in theory there's no right/law stopping you
You can very easily get thrown out from pretty much anywhere you are... or become a pervert pedo or whatever in your friends' eyes.
>>126363
literally zero people are trying to say trans women and cis women are physically identical.
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>>126363
>the sexual reproductive strategy of trans-women-identity people
>>126363
Care to share with us your personal reproductive strategy?
>>126363
This is the biggest pseud post I've read this year. Congrats, m8.
>>126366
I'm not saying it's not an issue, but isn't that just supporting my post?
It's not about rights at that stage - it's about attitudes.
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>>126368
What you are attempting to do here is this:

>A “motte and bailey doctrine” is a style of argument (and informal fallacy) that’s based on a motte-and-bailey castle. The bailey is a big courtyard and where people live and work and generally want to be. The motte is a mound with some kind of fortification on top, that’s used as a last refuge when the bailey is under attack.

>A motte and bailey doctrine for arguments goes like this: someone is usually making an argument from a big and comfortable courtyard of ideas, being very liberal with their terms, accusations, and implications. But when someone attacks their argumentative “bailey”, they retreat to a “motte” of strict terms and/or rigorous reasoning. They can’t be attacked at the motte because even their opponent would agree with their definitions and reasoning. The problem is that the motte and the bailey are different arguments: often to get to the bailey, additional assumptions are required; sometimes the arguments are even contradictory.

>In short, to argue from the motte is to argue from a strongly defensible position, whereas to argue from the bailey is to make broad and far reaching statements that are poorly defended.
>>126369
>>126371
these are personal attacks, not arguments
>>126370
this is a deflection via personal question
>>126341
>10 gorrillion
I bet you can't even find ten. Just the fact that you say "brains" without qualification tags you for a clod. The organ brain is in all of us pretty much the same, except that of biological men being a bit bigger on average. Now, if you meant to say neurological activity, then maybe, though it doesn't mean much to say that those brains are more similar or whatever because we don't really understand yet how the processes we observe actually produce our consciousness.
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Fact: troons were the first incels on the internet
>>125811
>“I would rather die than work / I would rather die than work / I would rather die than work.”
She should off herself then, we need no more useless eaters.
The only reason why the elderly and the disabled get money is because they can't work, she doesn't want to work, which is not the same.
>>126341
There are also like 10 gorillion studies linking gender dysphoria to disorders such as borderline, schizophrenia and mood disorders.
Your point?
>>120495
Incels, like trannies, are both asocial and antisocial.
>>126363
Based posted, also intellectually honest. Little wonder it's so reviled.
>>126750
No trannies are oversocialized
>>126363
>From a scientific standpoint there is no way you are getting past biological categorisations, that includes sexual dimorphism of the entire body. The people that are pushing for changing biological categorisation to no longer correspond with empirical evidence are attempting to interfere with the scientific process. There's a long history of people attempting impose their dogmatic believes and equally long list defeats.
This is so true. It's one of the few things right wingers are right about when it comes to the left.
It's clear to anyone without a stake in the transgender movement that leftists are trying to impose their their ideology on material reality. In the same way the Pope suppressed science that undermined the Church's belief that the earth rotated around the sun.
>>126893
*sun rotated around the earth.
>>126893
Biological categorisation is called 'sex', personal identification is called 'gender'. Not complicated.
Also sex isn't nearly as binary as you people think
>>125833
Women just enjoy being miserable I guess. Nothing makes them happy
>>120713
You can't just force yourself on a woman, unless you want to go back to those times when it was legal and no one could stop you
>>125823
Bring back slavery out women in cages
I will ask here: what is the whole controversy over using transpeople and trans people? I do not understand
>>125823
>women all sleeping with the same small cohort of top tier men.
That's a right wing meme not supported by the facts. And no, Tinder response rates are not representative of how much people get laid. Here's an actual study of actual sex distribution in a controlled environment: http://simondedeo.com/?p=221

It turns out it's pretty balanced because in a surprising turn of events, sex is not in fact a rare resource that a few select people can monopolize. You can have sex with someone, then someone else, then a third person, and the total quantity of sex increased. There's an infinite amount of sex in potentia and treating it as a market resource is moronic.

Stop adopting right wing rhetoric, you're only facilitating its spreading. And also get laid ffs
>>126363
Based beyond belief, very good post.
>>126893
>This is so true. It's one of the few things right wingers are right about when it comes to the left.
It's clear to anyone without a stake in the transgender movement that leftists are trying to impose their their ideology on material reality.
True.
>>125823
Weird though how European countries are pretty sexually liberated but don't have as much STDs as other countries. It's almost as if STD rates were the product of poor sexual education, something sexual liberation could help with.
>>126908
it is a distinction that is preferred not to be spoken. transpeople would rather be referred to as the gender they identify as - ie man or woman with no qualifier - than as distinct from man or woman in some way. the word "women" has in the past referred to sex and gender expression simultaneously. women who were butch appearing in the past were not seen as womanly in the same sense as a woman who was not butch. they mightve been female by sex but they weren't ladylike by gender.

now the discourse is shifting such that the term "women" is completely divorced from sex. but you can't really get around sex. you can keep repeating that what makes you a man or woman is entirely your gender expression, and this may eventually become the usual form of the term, but sex distinctions will still exist and need to be understood in some way. your physical sex characteristics absolutely do have a part in what your identity is.
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>>126975
>transpeople would rather be referred to as the gender they identify as
noted
but where does the distinction between writing the words separate or together enter tho
>>126990
never heard of someone exploding over a space between the word. not sure why it would matter if the space is there or not. you should probably ignore people. mad over something like that.
>>126404
>this is a deflection via personal question
You seem to be able to identify the "reproductive strategy" of other people so you must be able to do the same with yourself.
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>>126741
Those tweets are made by this asshole: https://news.sky.com/video/nr-transgender-cyclist-kelner-for-mobile-mp4-11838457

The new South Park episode is basically about this asshole: https://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s23e07-board-girls

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