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Éire/pol/ Anonymous 11/14/2019 (Thu) 11:27:52 No. 126351
Are there any Irish people on Lefty/pol/. Compared with /pol/ I don't see a massive presence of Irish people. I was thinking of starting an Éire/pol/ thread,but I won't bother if it's just going to die immediately
I'm from the North but happy to try and keep it going
>>126356
Of course that's Ireland
How do you contend with the need to leave the EU for socialism to take form, yet Ireland almost entirely relies on some of the worst aspects of the EU?
>>126754
I mean the biggest part Ireland relies on is the four freedoms RE the North.
What is the opinion of the IRA in north and the rest of Ireland? Are republicans stronger in numbers in occupied Ireland? How strong is republicanism all together?
>>126834
The IRA doesn't have much support in the North - certainly not the newer versions.
Not that there aren't a lot of people who want a united Ireland but people don't want war.
From my perspective, people are always happy to talk about wanting an united Ireland but there's no action behind it. The political parties down south don't even have a plan proposed in the event of a vote.

>>126771
Not really though. The only reason there is an issue when it comes to the custom's union is because of how the EU operates - border control wasn't really a thing pre-Troubles from what I understand.
If Ireland also left the EU there could still be arrangements for a frictionless border. The EU's role can be taken over, it's not as if it only works because of the EU. If anything the EU plays almost a hindrance in that it's border arrangement is based on economic policy that involves almost 30 other countries so that it cannot make an exception.
I was thinking more about Ireland being a tax haven. It's quite the dilemma that the EU needs to be gotten rid of for socialism to come about yet Ireland will be so significantly impacted by its loss. Rather difficult to balance.
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>>126351
Finally, a thread I can post these
Ireland's Ruthless Vigilantes Taking Care of Drug Dealers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDIr2rVaQaI
Spotlight: New IRA - The Murder of Lyra McKee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSC-I1aAX5c
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Thoughts on Republican Sinn Fein?
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>>126351
https://www.solidnet.org/meetings-and-statements/imcwp/21st-international-meeting-of-communist-and-workers-parties/
Does anyone know why the Communist Party of Ireland didnt attend this?
the WP's statement seems to imply they were talking shit about the CP of Turkey:
>The IMCWP is an important event for our parties. The WPI wishes to make clear its condemnation of the provocative action of a group which sent a letter to the members of the IMCWP invited to this 21st International Meeting that goes against the Communist Party of Turkey, which, following a decision by the Working Group of the IMCWP, co-hosts this year's IMCWP together with the KKE. We condemn this provocation and stand firmly in solidarity with our comrades in the TKP.
any info on this?
You guys got any advice on joining youth orgs in rural Ireland? I'm in Kerry and I'd probably have to go to cork to join anything.
>>127520
If you know of a branch in Cork why not ask if they know of one in Kerry?
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Hey Irish comrade(s?), I'm a burger prole with some family in Ireland (grandparents generation) and I'm thinking about visiting for a few months, doing some workaway farm work at first (WWOOF or something) and looking for a some contracting work as well because my trade is construction. I know you get plenty of obnoxious plastic paddy burgers but I figure if I have some self awareness and don't spout off about muh heritage people won't mind too much yeah? I'd like to travel around the country but my family's from (and in) Swinford in Mayo. Ideally I'd also like to go to the North and on both sides of the border take some kind of part in the socialist politics around, but I lived in Africa for a while and know how hard it can be to break into something like that coming from the outside. If you have any advice about that or general thoughts I'd really appreciate it. Pic related is a transcript from an interview my aunt did with my great grandmother about her growing up on the River Moi.
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>>127587
>have some self awareness and don't spout off about muh heritage people won't mind too much yeah?
Pretty much. also remember not to randomly spark up conversations with people about the IRA / the Troubles. You risk offending people or getting the shit beat out of you if youre not careful (especially in the North). Keep that between your comrades.
>>127864
Sounds good, yeah I figured, that kind of thing is the same in most places and I wouldn't go in presuming that it's an easy topic to broach.

I do however have a starry plough tattooed on my forearm, not even as a we wuz thing but just because Connolly has always been an inspiration and he and his people were very active around where I'm from in the US. Most of my US historical political sympathies are with the Panthers and Bernadette Devlins appeal to the common struggle between the Panthers and Irish Republicans resonated with me so I saw it as a way to mark some loyalty to that common struggle and radical tradition, and agreement with Devlin's contempt for Irish-Americans betraying it to assimilate into white America. Thats the context tho still understandable if having it in Ireland as an American seems to be in poor taste or just laughable
>>127946
Which starry plough is it? like, the constellation only or the older version? I doubt anyone would question it if it was just the stars, but if its the other one you might get slagged. I doubt anyone would find it offensive though. You wont offend anyone by talking about Connolly either, even the libs like him for his republicanism. Also when i say "IRA" i mostly mean the Provos & the dissidents, most people have positive opinions of the Old IRA, but if you dont want to learn the differences between all the different versions, maybe just avoid the topic altogether lmao.
Also: if youre in Dublin you might want to check out Connolly Books in Temple Bar. Its run by the Communist Party of Ireland & their Secretary General is usually there & a good man for a chat.
https://www.connollybooks.org/
>>128057
Its the old version from the flag yeah. Sounds good at the least maybe it'll be a conversation starter. Thanks for the rec I'll put it on my list for sure.
>>128057
>>128065
And I know enough about the different iterations of the IRA to avoid that confusion at least lol, I've gotten some basic impressions like that from family who make exactly the kind of original are freedom fighters, Provos are either complicated and made some really bad decisions or just bad terrorists.
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can someone give me a rundown on all the signifcant sects of the IRA and why they came about?
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>>128560
With pleasure.
The first iteration of the IRA was founded in 1919 by members of the Irish Republican Brotherhood, who organised the 1916 Rising. They fought the War of Independance til the signing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1922. At which point they split into the pro-treaty National Army (supported the partitioned Free State under the crown) and the anti-treaty IRA or Irregulars (rejected the Free State gov). These two fought the Civil War til it ended in 1923 with a Free State victory. The Nat. Army became the Irish Defence Forces and the Irregulars would continue to exist in the background til another split in 1969.
Over the 40 years the IRA began to shift towards Marxism, which the more old-fashioned republicans didnt like. The split happened when the leadership tried to end the policy of abstentionism in the Free State gov which was traditionally seen as illegitemate to republicans. They split into the Official IRA (Marxists) and the Provisional IRA (Catholics, nationalists, socialists).The Provos recieved funding and weapons from Irish Americans and Gaddaffi's Lybia while the Officials got them from the USSR and DPRK. The Provos would take over as the main IRA during the Troubles while the Officials would call a ceasefire in 1972 leading to another split creating the the Irish National Liberation Army. I should also mention that Sinn Féin, the political wing of the IRA also split in 1969 into Provisional SF, nowadays just SF, and Official SF, now known as the Workers Party of Ireland.
So the Provos waged a guerilla war against the Brits, the Unionist paras, and the Officials & INLA until the Good Friday Agreement in 1998, when they officially ended the armed struggle & agreed to decomission their weapons. The Officials would decomission in 2010 (although theyre rumoured to have hidden around 5000 ak-47s for a rainy day) around the same time as INLA. They all decided to pursue their goals through electoral politics.
Now we move on to the contemporary dissident groups who rejected the GFA:
The Continuity IRA emerged from a split with the PIRA over abstentionism in 1986 but would only become active after the start of the peace process. Their political wing is Republican SF & they believe in creating a socialist, federal united Ireland & that they are the only *true* Irish gov. Theyre pretty irrelevant now but have allegedly resurfaced in the face of Brexit.
The New IRA is made up of multiple dissident republican groups (including the Real IRA which split from the Provos in 1997). These guys mostly police areas the PSNI are too scared to and they recently killed a journalist by accident so everyone hates them.
A couple of groups calling themselves INLA have cropped up aswell, but theyre mostly just drug dealers now.
And thats pretty much it. If i missed any or got anything wrong nobody carbomb me k thanks.
It's worth mentioning that every single sect after the civil war commited multiple massacres
>>128930
The Old IRA werent angels either. They were at war tbf, same as the Provos.
>>128894
I thought some degree of Marxism was a part of Irish independence from the beginning?
>>129235
Individual members an organizations within, such as James Connolly, the Irish Citizens Army, and the Limerick Soviet, were, yeah. But I think that anon is referring to it being in the organizational foundation of the faction and not only an element in a wide net organization.
Greetings from Italy.
A few questions more about Irish mainstream politics than militant republicanism.
1) Are FF and FG basically the same in terms of ideology, social classes they appeal to and the way they act when in government? I remember reading something about that and the conclusion was that their constituencies were very much the same in economic and social terms but basically many people vote one or the other for reasons like being born in pro-treaty families (and voting FG) or anti-treaty families (and voting FF). Is that true?
2) How much influent is the Catholic Church? Is it correct to say that they still control the school system and there isn't and actual secular educational system like everywhere else in Europe? Also, is it true that their dominance hampered the creation of a strong welfare state?
3) Is that old guy from the Labour party still the president? Is he based? I remember reading about his election in 2011 with remarks about him taking a stance against zionists for their massacres - something unbeliavable here at least in the last decades.
4) Why the Labour party has always been so small and weak compared to the Anglo one or basically every other socdem/lab party everywhere in Western Europe?
5) Opinions on De Valera?
6) Is Ireland neutrality legit or something dodgy on Nato's part actually happens there? Is it true the Burgers use/used an airport there for transport of troops/weapons? Are there any hacks pushing to join Nato, stoking crap like Russiagate and the like?
7) When I visited Dublin two years ago, house prices and obviuosly rents were off the chart. I also remember a fair share of homeless gravitating around O'Connell street after dark. Is there awareness of the issue? Also, what's gonna happen when the house prices bubble will burst?
8) Do you think the parliamentary landscape will remain the same in the next years or there's some chance of some major shakeup? Is Varadkar popular?
9) Is "liberal" idpol infestating the Emerald Island - obsessive policing of speech to be "inclusive" and stuff like that - or not?
10) Do you think there will be an economic and financial crisis similar to the one at the start of the decade when the next global recession it?
Thanks and sorry if I came up with an effortpost made of questions...
Also, we have a relatively dead thread about Italy >>19862 so feel free to come shitposting there.
>>128930
The loyalist militas were the main ones who deliberately targeted random civilians for sectarian reasons. By percentage they massacred more civilians than the British forces or the Republicans.
>>128894
still confused as shit but thank you
polite sage
>>129353
1. Yes, basically. There are slight variations - FG have a reputation as being slightly more socially liberal and FF more willing to engage in public works schemes now and then, but only because FF are essentially driven by localism and clientelism.
2. The church's influence now varies from region to region. In Dublin it's mostly gone, although the rituals (funerals, weddings, communions subsist). In some rural areas it's a lot stronger, but this seems to be determined mostly by the nature of the parish priest. The influence of Catholicism has long been a convenient excuse, allowing us to ignore strong reactionary elements in our society (a lot of which, as you'd expect, were heavily promoted during colonialism)
3. Yeah he's still president, but president is a fairly meaningless position. People like him, but he doesn't weigh in very often.
4. In short - the population for most of the 20th century was generally conservative. Reasons for this (obviously my opinion): constant emigration acts as a pressure valve, because frustrated people on the cusp of consciousness leave. Weak trade unions, and as a result very low union participation rate (~24% I believe). Third, the role of socialists/trade unionists in Irish history was largely ignored, and Irish nationalism was seen (by many, not all) as consonant with staunch Catholicism, social conservatism with a mild 'conscience'. (Again, thinking of FF here).
5. Reactionary, coward. Easy to put all the blame on himself and the church, as opposed to the large class of big farmers (a tight-fisted bunch).
6. Yes, 100% true they used the airport for extraordinary rendition flights etc. We'll pretty much let them (or NATO) do whatever they like. I've never come across join-NATO sentiment, I'm sure there's some, but the general position is akin to the position during WW2 - Profess neutrality, aid power quietly.
7. It's gotten considerably worse since then. There's awareness, but it's been going on so long people don't care. By which I mean 52% of people in rural Ireland own the property they live in (i.e. are petit-porkeois) and the left is too fragmented to provide an alternative working people can support. What's going to happen? Another EU bailout, presumably. Easy liquidity from the ECB. This one is different from the last, though, because it's not accompanied by a market flooded with houses, it's artificial scarcity. So it won't burst, IMO, it might deflate slowly, because the demand for a first (as opposed to a second or third) home is basically inelastic. Hopefully we'll see some slumlords get lynched.
8. Yes to both questions, basically. Varadkar is confusingly popular because a) easy liquidity from the EU means decent quality of life for people with stable jobs and houses they own, and the left are all over the place.
9. Meh, not really, I don't think. FG are pro-gays and pro-abortion, basically Trudeau types. It's effective at taking away a certain sector of the lib vote, but those people wouldn't vote left anyway.
10. I don't think it'll be the same, no, but there will be one. The treatment will be the same; university fees go up, houses and hospitals get cut, all large-scale infrastructure plans(of which there isn't many) get 'postponed'. Porky scum get paid off.

Hope that answered it, I for one would like to see this thread in future.
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>>129381
Dosen't change the fact that republicans after Connolly were massive dongs
>>129721
What do you mean by that? I do agree that nobody after Connolly ever matched him in his leadership, theory, and personality, but i wouldnt just write off their struggle entirely or call them "massive dongs".
Can anyone explain why so many republicans were killed by republicans? I get there was a kinda mafia-like contract that if you fucked-up you get whacked, but it always seemed really high for me.
t. bong.
>>129690
Thank you very much.
>>130005
Whats important to remember is that "republican" is actually a pretty broad group as it encompasses socialists, communists, nationalists, Catholics, and criminals. Ever since 1969 the groups split more and more and became increasingly exclusionary and bitter with each other.
Feuding between the leadership of the different paras over history or ideology led to squabbles between brigades or battalions from different IRA sects (Provo, Official). INLA was maybe the worst for this as it was almost entirely made up of rejects from other paras, and so the leadership quickly lost control and the members began to divide themselves based on personal loyalty, until it effectively just became a mob.
Borger with an immigrant mother here. Contemplating pursuing a masters degree in Ireland. How expensive would it be compared to getting it here? Would the housing crisis make it too difficult to be worth trying?

Also is there anything of note to check out regarding leftism within my mother's home city of Galway?
What do you guys think about joining the Irish army? I'd like the training but I'm not sure if I'd be willing to join an army for a capitalist state.
>>131464
If you really want to do it, do it I guess Eire is nowhere near an imperialist state
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https://twitter.com/WSMIreland/status/1196002064394051584

What do u guys think about the rising right-wing movement in Ireland & the likes of GO'D n Justin Barrett? Do you think they have any chance at all of gaining any power / influence?
Personally, im worried about their influence over the youth. I remember being attracted to the NP a couple years ago when i was a little anti-sjw west brit who thought they genuinely cared about irish nationalism and that the ebil gommunists want to impose globalist sharia mayocide on the population. I see alot of other zoomers heading down the same path & idk if theyll ever swing left like i did or just go full fash mode.
>>129983
>but i wouldnt just write off their struggle entirely or call them "massive dongs".
Well I would
After Connolly and the ICA went; it all just downward spiraled into factions promoting Sakaite views of colonialism or factions just telling people to up do terror attacks.
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>>131789
are you trying to claim that the IRA shouldn't have fought the War of Independence? Or should the Provos have just let the semi-apartheid statelet in the occupied six counties exist? I dont know where you get the idea that the IRA was ever "Sakaite". The British government explicitly oppressed Catholics and gave Protestants preferential treatment, it only makes sense they would try to end that oppressive and sectarian rule. wrt terrorism i would ask you where guerilla warfare ends and terrorism begins. Connolly studied asymmetrical warfare, too, leading up to the Rising, inspiring Collins to develop his own tactics which would then be picked up by all subsequent IRAs.

I agree that Connolly was on another level compared to any other republican leader, but he also lived in a different time, before the Soviet Union, partition, the Civil War, and the Free State. Things were a lot more complicated during the Troubles and I think you completely dismissing the IRA's, in my opinion, completely valid, struggle is taking a very simplistic view of a very complex conflict, and i dont think thats what Connolly would have done. After all, his daughter, Nora, assisted the Irregulars in the CW and allegedly supported the Provos and INLA during the Troubles.
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>>131720
>What do u guys think about the rising right-wing movement in Ireland & the likes of GO'D n Justin Barrett?
>Personally, im worried about their influence over the youth.
Kids tend to be total morons but count how many zoomers you see in this pic. Not a whole lot. You don't want to sleep on fascist groups, though, because they can sneak up on you. I'm a burger though but Ireland seems like one of the countries where a fascist party would have a lot of trouble because how does an Irish fascist party even work? Wouldn't that make reunification more difficult? So there's a conceptual problem where it feels like they're copying British far right groups and it doesn't really translate. It might be more like Canada where an attempt to form a new fascist party completely bungled the recent elections. But I think Canadians tend to be low-key reactionaries.

If you ask me, though, the main threat posed by the far right is by influencing mainstream politics, as center-right parties seek to co-opt them for the purposes of maintaining center-right political control. I think this is definitely a pattern in Australia. The Republican Party has attempted to do this in the United States, with some success, but is also encountering a lot of problems by doing this. Secondly, the far right poses a terrorism threat. This can create tension in society by setting people against each other and so forth, similar to the Al Qaeda method in Iraq and other places. There's also a risk that the security services will also weaponize far right terrorist groups for similar purposes, such as attacking the left. But I don't know whether there's a history or serious risk of that in Ireland. Might be wrong though
>>131836 (me)
>But I don't know whether there's a history or serious risk of that in Ireland.
Well, I correct myself. There is a history of that, in Northern Ireland in which the British security services weaponized far-right terrorist groups against the Catholic population.
>>131836

>co-opt them for the purposes of maintaining control

The problem for any radical movement, whether left or right, is that the very nature of being co-opted by a less radical force leads to a dilution of your own. By the time you're mainstream you've lost a lot of the charge you once had. Look at what happened to the far-right in burgerland: instead of Trump being this galvanizing force, they've been reduced to infighting, literal fucking murder that makes people even more suspicious, and a leftist pushback threatens their "gains" even more.

They talk a big game about some mythical white awakening but all I've been seeing is people fed up with their bullshit. And they know it. Depending on the youth, especially a youth that doesn't really know much outside of the thrill of saying the n-word in front of their parents, for any movement is an inherently risky move since the youth generally have not experienced the very conditions that make others radical.
>>131852
>They talk a big game about some mythical white awakening but all I've been seeing is people fed up with their bullshit. And they know it. Depending on the youth, especially a youth that doesn't really know much outside of the thrill of saying the n-word in front of their parents, for any movement is an inherently risky move since the youth generally have not experienced the very conditions that make others radical.
I agree. Not to get sidetracked talking about the far right again but I think their emphasis on recruiting youth has led them down various holes like the "New Left" of the 60s and 70s which used to have slogans (at least in the U.S.) like "Don't trust anybody over 30." But the first problem is that most people under 30 were probably not buying into their political program at the time, so you just end up with a kind of fringe youth movement that burns out and results in a lot of disillusioned people. The second problem is that the older people know a lot of shit! Maybe the New Left should have listened to communist veterans of the battles of the 1930s. But what do I know
>>131830
The ICA was around till the war of independence ended.
>The British government explicitly oppressed Catholics and gave Protestants preferential treatment
So?
They were both equally impoverished at the end of the day.
>but he also lived in a different time
>Things were a lot more complicated during the Troubles
Class struggle is the same no matter the time period
>After all, his daughter, Nora, assisted the Irregulars in the CW and allegedly supported the Provos and INLA during the Troubles.
Guess Connolly didn't pass his good genes down then.
>>131836
>Ireland seems like one of the countries where a fascist party would have a lot of trouble because how does an Irish fascist party even work? Wouldn't that make reunification more difficult?
See one of the worst parts about the current National Party strategy is that they are actively co-opting revolutionary imagery in their propaganda, whereas most other parties are too scared and liberal to do the same. They take quotes from people Connolly completely out of context and try to make it out like he was /(their)guy/. The leader of the NP has pretty much molded his persona off of Padraig Pearse. They act like Sinn Féin have given up "true" Irish nationalism to appeal to "globohomo" or "da joos", failing to recognise that the republican movement has been inherently progressive since its inception, with connections to the socialist and suffragette movements of its time.

This is important because, like you said, fascism tends to sneak up on you. My greatest fear is that eventually these symbols will become co-opted by the right (similar to pepe, ok-hand-symbol, or the swastika), and that any other party will be afraid to use them at all, for fear of losing votes by association. It would also mean any young person learning about our history would be more easily drawn into these fascist parties as they identify figures they respect, like Pearse or Michael Collins, with these reactionaries instead of the people actually carrying on their legacy. I know because it happened to me.

Heres Barrett trying to claim that James Connolly, an avid Marxist, is, "one of us". He also calls Pearse, "a man of the right".:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZDTpJbCweY
I see this narrative regurgitated almost daily on Twitter by the type of people i explained above.
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>>131874
You are aware James Connolly took part in, and gave his life for, a non-socialist uprising alongside bourgeois nationalists, right?
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What do u guys think about the Connolly Youth Movement?
https://www.cym.ie/
Are any of you guys members? I've been looking for groups to join in Dublin & they look pretty baste, but i'd be open to other suggestions if you have any.
>>126351
I'm based in Belfast. Wobblie and Workers. Any other ulstercunts here?
>>132428
They seem pretty cool but I'm not a member. I may join in the future.
Would any of ye happen to have the image file for this so I could print it off? I've dmed AIA Ireland on Twitter but they've yet to respond.
>>132428
I would like to join, but there's no organization in my county, the closest one is in Limerick. Any ideas as to what I could do?
>>132506
there might be some other orgs active closer by. Idk much about them but you could maybe look into Ógra Sinn Féin or Workers' Party Youth. ÓSF apparently has a cumainn in every county & ive heard theyre more radical than SF proper.
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>>132502
They responded. Everyone who's Irish here should print these off and put them up around your area
>>131891
>You are aware James Connolly took part in, and gave his life for, a non-socialist uprising alongside bourgeois nationalists, right?
I didn't say that there's anything wrong with that
What's was wrong with the later republicans was that they had serious autisms
>pic
Using that for whenever somebody praises Atlee lol
>>135271
Not me
>>132428
Probably your best bet I would say although i don't know that much about Irish internal politics, but they look like they have a goodish model for building a party
>>131891
You are aware that Mao also did this. You are aware that the Kurds are currently doing this. You are aware that James Connolly is probably the most based socialist to come from Ireland, Scotland, England, or Wales. Seriously name a more based one? You are aware that the stated aim of the uprising was to create a SOCIALIST REPUBLIC.

You are aware they fought directly against British capital.

They went on strikes and so on.

This is the worst take I've seen on this site in a while
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>>126351
I was born in the US but both of my parents, grandparents, etc... were born and raised in Ireland. I've visited the country several times to see my extended family. I've always wondered what the local politics of the place were. How strong is the left there? When was the last time social democrats or socialists held power? Are left wing parties completely incompetent? And how do people there feel about the insane tax incentives they've passed to bring big tech companies into the country?
>>136366
>Cork County
God that made me cringe and I'm a bong.
>>136346
Bruh i was trying to critique the other anon for dimsissing the IRA's natlib struggle while simultaneously worshipping Connolly. Not a criticism of Connolly at all.

However, i will say that the goal of the 1916 Rising was not explicitly for a socialist republic, atleast not for anyone except Connolly & the ICA. the pursuit of a socialist republic only entered mainstream republicanism after the 1st Dáil and the Civil War.
>>136366
>How strong is the left there?
Lethargic. Every election cycle we choose between two centre-right parties and bitch about how nothing's changed. Younger people are starting to reject the status quo, but theres no real viable alternative anyway.
>When was the last time social democrats or socialists held power?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_Soviet
>Are left wing parties completely incompetent?
when theyre not rigging car bombs
>And how do people there feel about the insane tax incentives they've passed to bring big tech companies into the country?
they dont notice/ care because we are a nation of terminally cucked liberals who just got done being a semi-theocracy after being an imperial colony, which gave us a nation-wide inferiority complex, and as a result we still dont trust ourselves to rule ourselves.
>mfw no cultural revolution
>mfw the crown still occupies a chunk of the country
>mfw even if we win a unity referendum, England would still rule us through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs.
>>136688
Irish Revolution has gotta be one of the more cucked in history tbh.
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Does Ireland have the potential to be a self-reliant state in the vein of DPRK?
We kind of tried this after independence under Supreme Leader De Valera & all it did was strengthen our economic ties to the Brits and cause more emigration, but i think under a socialist economy with full employment, this would be less of an issue than under Dev's protectionist nat. conservatism.
Personally, i dont think 100% self-reliance is truly possible, as things like famine or natural disasters happen & foreign aid is necessary in such situations to save lives. Rejecting international trade / co-operation also usually leads to shitty living conditions, but i would agree with Thomas Sankara PBUH when he says: "He who feeds you, controls you", & i think the more nations that embrace self reliance as a value, the less inherently exploitative the world economy would become.
Thoughts?
Just wondering how the Irish lads here feel about Britian as the "world's policeman"
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>>138918
more like the world's parasite
>>138922
Terrible meme it literally mauls the reader's eyes. Can't even make out what the fuck the bottom word is supposed to be. It's only funny when it's a nazbol meme that adds in 200 filters and grainy shit.
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>>138925
put ur reading glasses on, grandpa, itll be easier to read & u wont be as cranky
>>138911
>i think the more nations that embrace self reliance as a value, the less inherently exploitative the world economy would become. Thoughts?

Well yea self reliance for food production and other necessities is probably possible for most places.

Considering the capitalist pattern of attempting to gain control over the imputs and outputs of the workers to maximize exploitation, is somewhat replicated on the world-stage, it would likely be structurally beneficial to reduce the number of people that can be extorted this way.

But you have to realise that quite a lot of the economy is very technologically complex and replicating this on a small scale, isn't directly possible.
Although there definitely is sort of a dynamic tangentially related to miniaturisation, where small scale production can become more advanced with technology as well. But it usually isn't as efficient. That said there's definitely a possibility where you get a sort of pipeline for downscaled regional production of sectors that maxed out on development and optimization. There's also the possibility that more generalised production tools that don't need specific production-run tooling (machines that don not need to be changed for producing different things) to drive that development.

The main gain from the self sufficiency is the reduced international conflict potential.
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https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1198616484534198272?s=20
in case anyone still isnt convinced that dublin should be turned into a sea of radioactive ash
Marx duit. Is brea liom an thread seo.

>>131878
Bhuail mé leis an bhean cheile de Justin Barrett, agus duirt sí liom gur tá sé ag fulaingt le halcólacht. He's been losing his mind.
>>139564
tá brón orm, níl mo gaeilge ró-maith, ach sure ill give it a go.

>tá sé ag fulaingt le halcólacht
bhuel, is ciall leis sin, ach, ní leiscéil é do na rudaí a dhéanainn sé agus a deireann sé. béidir nach bhfuil sé an fhadhb mhór, ach mar a duirt anon burgar >>131836 : "you don't want to sleep on fascist groups, though, because they can sneak up on you". gan JB, tá na eite dheis ag fás in Éirinn, agus tá níos mó imní orm faoin éifeacht ar polaitíocht mainstream agus ar na daoine óga.

apologies if that makes no sense, i need to brush up on my cúpla focail
>>126852
with brexit do you think theres a chance of a northern ireland reunification referendum passing?
>>139642
if you ask the west-brits in the republic: Just Fucking Barely! >>139338

and i doubt the Unionists up north would allow that sort of thing. historically speaking, rigging elections is the only thing theyre good at, apart from being a shower of cunts.

while it is theoretically possible if sinn fein get their act together, i personally wouldnt get my hopes up
]>>139640
GRMA. Faoi do gaeilge, níl aon fhadhb anseo cara.
Bí pairteach nó tosaigh an Pop-up Gaeltacht i do cheantar. Tá sé ócáid iontach chun bualadh le daoine/comradai eile agus oibriú leo.
Thosaigh mé an grupa i mo baile, agus is aoibheann liom é.

Maidir leis an by-election, bhí an NP ag tabhairt tacaíochta do Gemma OD le deanaí, ach fuair sí ach amhain 1000 votai. Beag agus mall. Ach, creidim thu. Chonaic me an cruinniu seo caite den NP, agus raibh cupla daoine ansin. A lán seandaoine ait, agus cupla amadáin ginearálta cé ag gáfa leis na youtube echo-chamber. Nior aon mná fós, lol.

https://youtu.be/EyAW0gwxQ8k
UP THE IRA
>>138911
>self-reliant state
>in the vein of DPRK
Reminder North Korea is, in spite of its mineral wealth and pre-war industrialization lead over the South, is a mountainous rocky wasteland physically incapable of coming anywhere near food self-sufficiency even if its agricultural sector wasn't hilariously backward. NK's ineffectual attempts at isolationist autarky are responsible for all its greatest woes.
>>145897
>ineffectual attempts at isolationist autarky are responsible for all its greatest woes
They are under trade embargo.

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