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The Implosion of White Burger Identity Politics Anonymous 01/12/2021 (Tue) 05:21:26 No. 1236284
I have to say that one of the greatest pleasures I've experienced in the last few days is the complete implosion of white identity politics for American conservatives. Explicit racial politics more or less completely ended in the 70s, but it's lived on in a sort of dogwistle-y, implicit way. A large chunk of white people were basically convinced that "whites" were all property owners who paid the taxes, while blacks and other minorities were all wards of the state (to this day, /pol/ refers to state services as "gibs me dat" if you had even a shred of doubt), and so, in their heads, neoliberalism was a way of enforcing a clandestine Jim Crow. Move everything into the the private sector (thus supposedly increasing white wealth and authority) and heavily restricting the welfare state (and thus supposedly disciplining blacks and other minorities). It has been one of the most satisfying things I've seen in a while to watch them all realize, as they get fired or banned off of (private) social media, that private property isn't some clandestine collective commons, but only for white people, it's private fucking property. It's been hilarious watching people who have spent the last few decades going on about muh negative rights suddenly flail about asking why their constitutional rights don't transcend property rights. How do you think the right is going to resolve this? Do you think they'll drop neoliberalism, or continue to cling to their delusion and say that the reason why neoliberalism doesn't promote white idpol is because the communist illuminati or whatever?
>>1236284 We hate neoliberalism, we always did. >t. dissident right
>>1236284 > only for white people, But it's obviously not true. > How do you think the right is going to resolve this? They are going down the second option of super conspiracy and Americans are just not smart enough to put two brain cells together. I just hope they start evaluating exactly who is doing this to them and then push back by any means. That will solve one problem and point them in the right direction.
>>1236364 >But it's obviously not true. I'm aware. Anyone who wasn't an idiot could tell that the white supremacists who went in for that ideology were just useful idiots. But it's something popularly believed by your not-so-secretly racist uncle nonetheless.
>Explicit racial politics more or less completely ended in the 70s, t. white person
>>1236384 ok radlib
Much of it comes down to a basic misunderstanding about freedom of speech. Many of them seem to have it backwards and believe that the government is supposed to guarantee their right to free speech, meaning it is illegal for anyone to shut them up. In reality, the first amendment is supposed to just restrict the government from shutting you up. In all though the whole right wing social media purge that's happening underscores the fact that the entire internet is run by a cartel of a select few companies and what they say goes. To me this is the much more important detail to come of all this.
>>1236284 >Do you think they'll drop neoliberalism, Yes, and Trump was a manifestation of this. Everyone says that Trump is a neolib but he's really not. He genuinely did attempt to reinstate much of the lost natural rights of the white settler class. And you'd have to be a fool to think that white identity politics is falling apart because of some half hearted attempt at a coup and because Trump got kicked off a bunch of social media platforms that were in decline anyway. Trump controls the base of the GOP, which is why they were so loath to stand up to him until they had to. Trump is already signalling that he still supports his white base and will definitely do something before his term is up. My guess is that he'll use all the blackmail he's collected via the intelligence apparatus he's inevitably collected throughout his term, and start spilling the real beans about his opponents unless they let him walk scott free. After which he'll go back to whipping up the base, but he won't be encumbered by the GOP, he'll have them all to himself! He'll be more powerful than ever.
>>1236399 We can only hope he takes over the GOP. I really hope you're right about this anon.
The sweet irony of course is the right wing misconception that there is something uniquely bad about government power, and so small government is crucial but business power can grow unrestricted. Now they have their shriveled government but also massive trillion market cap tech companies that don't like how they think and which more or less mediate the entirety of life in modern civilization and are inescapable presences and mediators. Big business, which they love, is what is cracking down on them, the American government in its current incarnation is a pathetic shadow of its former self.
>>1236429 >which they love perhaps a very narrow slice, oil companies and the like. most are just obsessed with their small-medium sized fiefdoms, used car lots, muffler repair, mattress reseller, etc.
>>1236481 Guess it depends who you're talking about. Certainly the Republican sharks that dupe them into voting for them are all about big business. Probably has something to do with the "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" psychology.
what’s with the fucking yellow boxes and shit?
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>>1236538 i recreate for you, anon.
>>1236510 We need you to have Sex
>>1236399 Tomorrow would be perfect to drop all kinds of dirty laundary and dirt on Representatives and Senators. If I was the CIA Director, I would drop a massive intelligence bomb of dirty secrets and crimes that Congress committed right now, then drop an even bigger bomb, involving both the DNC, RNC, donors later in the day or evening.
>>1236384 Reading is hard, isn't it?
>>1236399 I'm saying that the popular manifestation of white identity politics up to this point is falling apart. The kind that was tied heavily to neoliberalism.
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>>1236284 Don't forget the massive fissures opening up around the phantasmal lines demarcating racial grievance politics on all sides, as beaners & slants follow in the proud tradition of mics, wops, kikes, krauts, etc.
>>1236577 I literally creampied my girl yesterday lol i agree trannie
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>>1236361 It's worth remembering neolib has several different policies underlying it, only some of which necessarily extend beyond domestic: <small/nonexistent government <austerity <deregulation <privatization <mass economic immigration <free trade Also typically dovetailing with, but technically separate from neocon, to wit: <supply-side voodoo deficit spending <wealthfare <military adventurism >>1236392 >In reality, the first amendment is supposed to just restrict the government from shutting you up. The 1st amendment is merely supposed to be the legal subset of a broader commitment to free expression in all its forms, as befits a people who believe in and fight for freedom in every arena at all times. To the extent this is true, leftists must by definition uphold and advance it. To the extent this is a hypocritical lie, leftists must expose it and fight it. >the fact that the entire internet is run by a cartel of a select few companies and what they say goes. To me this is the much more important detail to come of all this. That, too, was a known problem back when 1A was written, specifically discussed by leftists of the era.
>>1237057 >The 1st amendment is merely supposed to be the legal subset of a broader commitment to free expression in all its forms, as befits a people who believe in and fight for freedom in every arena at all times. No it isn't. It wasn't even interpreted as protecting everyone originally, just large moneyed interests from the government. It was only in the 20th century that it started to be interpreted as the "free speech" that we'd recognize today, but it's STILL largely seen as an extension of property rights. >Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The US Constitution is no Declaration of the Rights of Man, and it's wording is very specifically about the citizens' relationship to the government, rather than citizens having that right in general and in all situations. The US Constitution isn't a progressive document, and the left doesn't do themselves any favors by thinking that it is.
>>1236284 white identity politics has been around since america was founded it's not going anywhere. it will mutate and come back like any disease.
>>1237040 Jizzing to pics of your waifu doesn't count nerd.
>>1236361 No you didn't. You just hate the effects of it now those effects are affecting you.
>>1236813 True, they still probably would be okay with resource acquisitive wars abroad, as long as the untermenschen(refugees and migrants) didn't come home.
>>1236284 >I made a strawman >I imagined it burning >It's my greatest pleasure Pretty sad. I hope you'll one day have positive reasons to feel joy. >How do you think the right is going to resolve this? They won't. It's not that big of an issue as you fantasize it to be, and more generally theorical contradictions and inconsistency was never a big problem for any ideology.
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>>1236392 They don't have a misunderstand of freedom of speech. They either A) are bug people that resemble humans and are aware of concepts with the vaguest understanding of them. I.E Freedom, constitution, and god. To them they are magic words to invoke during arguments, usually just barely in context. Or B) Grifters that act like A to argue in bad faith. They have a complete lack of empathy to the point that they are barely conscious and can't imagine the feelings of other begins. Or they're psychos that do understand but get off on the pain of other people. Anyways >>1236284 After the capitol storming it's pretty obvious fascism is dead on arrival. At least in the Hitler, white ethnostate sense. I don't think it was much of a threat anyways looking back at the past 4 years. Trump was able to unite the nazis with the boomer zionist under his personality cult. But he didn't do anything with it beside standard republican austerity. He stopped caring about the racism, the downwardly mobile petty bourg and disposed whites. In favor of bitching about twitter Jannies and how everyone is so mean to him. He let his base get decimated by corona. And now that they are on the verge of proletarization with no relief in site were starting to see a begrudging class conscious grow from them. Like you said they got betrayed by every corporation they empowered, and then abandoned by their "good guy" billionaire leader during the insurrection they did for him.
>Muh white amerimutt idpol When we there will be serious critique of the amerimutt paraphilia for idpol that goes a bit beyond cliché shit on wytttt peoples? Blacks and asians are as equally american as whites and they partecipate in this sexual role play as much as them, but you never hear them mentioned. Blacks especially get a pass even if the modern day protest are basically a fascist movement for their right to be as petty bourgeois as whites.
>>1236840 >After the capitol storming it's pretty obvious fascism is dead on arrival. At least in the Hitler, white ethnostate sense. I don't think it was much of a threat anyways looking back at the past 4 years. This is more or less accurate. American fascism is still alive and well, but it was never going to be something resembling its European counterparts. Fascism always draws heavily from its social and historical context, and American reactionary politics simply has little use for explicit racism anymore. It never had any use fort the concept of a white ethnostate. Even the Klan never wanted to expel blacks from America, they just wanted them to remain subordinates. Since the end of Jim Crow racist ideology persisted of course, but it operated implicitly and over time most boomers actually believed in its premises. Plenty of them genuinely don't see America as a racist country, and are perfectly willing to extend what amounts to honourary whiteness onto minorities for various reasons, usually class based. The Proud Boys and III% people are a far more suitable face of American fascism. They support policies which are racist in practice but generally not explicit racism. >Trump was able to unite the nazis with the boomer zionist under his personality cult. This is also true. The Nazis were never a powerful force, but if they want a heckin based president who will sick the cops on blacks and own the commies/libs they have to hitch themselves to the boomer wagon since boomer conservatism is the real face of American fascism.
>>1236840 >After the capitol storming it's pretty obvious fascism is dead on arrival. At least in the Hitler, white ethnostate sense. I don't think it was much of a threat anyways looking back at the past 4 years. I told youse so
>>1236970 Black idpol doesn't really hold much political weight and for black boomers a lot of it boils down to just watching BET all the time and mindlessly voting Democrat, while black zoomers get into bizarre, but ultimately innocuous hotep shit like black people being from the sun and Otto von Bismarck was a black man or some shit while mindlessly voting Democrat. It might even be worth noting if they actually demanded things of the Democrats, but they don't. In general, black idpol is so toothless and inert, it only gains power to any appreciable extent when white people start supporting it.
>>1237005 What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
>>1237020 Corporations selling soulless, commodified elements of black urban culture doesn't translate to political power.
>>1236399 >He genuinely did attempt to reinstate much of the lost natural rights of the white settler class. For example?
>>1237000 I agree with most of what you're saying except the proud Boys being the face of American fash. More like a prototype than a final model. I think the fash are going to lose out to the liberal technocracy. That shit with parler showed they were able to behead an entire movement in one fell swoop. I would say its not a testament to their power but an example of the fashes incompetence and nativity. The fash despite all the whining never actually thought the state would turn against them. They will reorganize after some time but it'll be under intersectional fascism. This has been floated since the 90s with "im not white/black/asian im American!". We see this already with the proud Boys afro-cuban leader. The race issue will be solved by extending whitness to all Americans. Turning American into an ethnicity on to itself. This won't be the end of the technocracy of liberals but a merger between them and the fash. A new history of an American master race will be rationalized and used for justification for open imperialism.
>>1237045 That's pretty much how the concept of whiteness managed to stay relevant to this day, it had to expand to include former "non-whites" to maintain hegemonic dominance. Soon enough I assume a lot of Hispanics/Latines will considered white in the future to maintain social pluralism in a multipolar and increasingly diverse society.
>>1237045 >The race issue will be solved by extending whitness to all Americans I can't put my finger on exactly why, but I think this will be true... EXCEPT for blacks, who (just like in every past extension of huwitedom) will somehow be left out. I'm willing to bet even le indigenous injuns and even recent post-slavery "American-African" immigrants (cf. Obama, Kamala, etc.) will be granted honorary Aryan status before that ever happens. Poor 'ol ADOS can't catch a break
>>1237102 >muh ADOS Black immigrants don't get treated any better than black people whose families have been here since the 1600s. Attempts to divide black people up like this are usually pushed by hucksters like Tariq Nasheed and are not grounded in any solid analysis of American race relations.
>>1237105 Better than fucking "latinx" which nobody uses outside of burger politics.
>>1237105 p. sure that was a typo although the term "latino" has always felt just a bit cringey to me, given the scope of romance languages beyond just Spain & Portugal.
>>1237124 I don't think a "radlib" would be laughing at a term like Autism Diagnostic Observation Schedule
>>1237121 White privilege and supremacy is usually (and historically) reserved for the whitest whites ie those who been the primary beneficiaries of capital exploitation in colonial societies. This is changing due to historical materialism and American capitalism wouldn't be as successful if it maintained the exact ideology as the 1800s but you still see holdovers from that era like dissproportiate intergenerational wealth especially when in comparison to black people/AA/new Afrikan/[your preferred label here] >>1237122 Agreed it's vague but also more colloquial but something about "Hispanics" just seems anachronistic. Just toss the whole label out tbh, we could opt for metizos, creoles, or mulattos but even those terms carry their own unique historical baggage
>>1237034 He tried to ban Muslim immigration except for Saudis, even though it was Saudis that did 9/11. He dramatically increased the oppression of illegal immigrants. Yes I know Obama deported more, but he didn’t create concentration camps where sterilization was occurring. He dramatically cooled relations between the US and North Korea, those type of international tensions are only relevant to international neoliberal booj, not white settlers. His rhetoric against minorities was off the charts, constantly winking, retweeting and implicitly approving of unabashed fascist groups in the country. Which ultimately lead to the Capital Hill raid we saw last week. I don’t believe you are dumb, so you must be some /pol/yp playing dumb to not realize how much Trump has upheld white supremacy.
>>1237124 Who said anything about the bourgeoisie? We're talking about descendants of slaves vs. black immigrants. You know most black immigrants aren't bourgeois, right?
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>>1237030 >If a corporation sells your cultural products as a commodity,that means you control the corporation
>>1237143 >He tried to ban Muslim immigration except for Saudis Muzzies have never immigrated in meaningful numbers, it was pure rhetoric. >dramatically increased the oppression of illegal immigrants LOL sure thanks Obama >he didn’t create concentration camps where sterilization was occurring Only because those already existed since the Bush & Clinton years >those type of international tensions are only relevant to international neoliberal booj, not white settlers Even for a Sakaiist baitpost, this is nonsensical. Here, lemme show 'ya how it's done: <Used Kurdish reactionaries to oppress ISIS self-determination, and then double-crossed them. Or, if you really wanna lean in on Korea: <Pushed NK toward reconciliation and reunification with South KKKorea under NATO hegemony >His rhetoric against minorities was off the charts This is the long and short of your thesis >the Capital Hill raid we saw last week Wow, yeah, that was super effective, competent, & scary. Really besmirched muh hallowed ground. Back to Rachael Maddow after these messages from our sponsors.
>>1237143 This is your brain on idealism
>Muzzies have never immigrated in meaningful numbers, it was pure rhetoric. It was not pure rhetoric, his actions were blocked by massive demonstrations in airports across the country. >LOL sure thanks Obama Didn't read my post. >Only because those already existed since the Bush & Clinton years They existed, but Clinton didn't vindictively cram as many immigrants as he could, tore children away from parents, and pull out the wombs of women like the guts of a Thanksgiving day turkey. >Even for a Sakaiist baitpost, this is nonsensical. Here, lemme show 'ya how it's done Kim was shown shaking hands and even strolling around the DMZ with Trump. This allowed the wiggle room for reunification factions in SK to actually make progress. The neolibs were hopping mad when he did this, so no, I'm not misreading the importance of this. >This is the long and short of your thesis Only for cherry picking well poisoners like you. >>the Capital Hill raid we saw last week >Wow, yeah, that was super effective, competent, & scary. It stopped the vote. Regardless, it happened because THE COPS LET THEM IN This is what really freaked out the Washington elites, how deep the insurrection of the white settler class goes. It goes all the way down into the very bones of the police and military.
>>1237160 >States all facts. >Idealism Cope
>>1237045 >The race issue will be solved by extending whitness to all Americans. That's what neoliberals are doing, and that's why the white Settler class is in revolt. Trump and the more recent Capital Hill raid prove that "White" is indeed a class. Neolibs want to make a more egalitarian society were EVERYONE is subservient to capital. The neolibs are right in thinking that they don't need a special class of proles that gets paid more and spared state oppression because of some goofy notions about race.
>>1237159 Black immigrants have an average income below the US average: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/04/09/chapter-1-statistical-portrait-of-the-u-s-black-immigrant-population/ >>1236927 Unironically read Settlers.
The same link has the black average. Native black average: 33.5k Immigrant black average: 43.8k All US adults: 52k It's true that the average black immigrant is better off (and more educated, etc.) than the average native-born black, but that doesn't make the average black immigrant bourgeois.
The site has become unusable due to the exjannie nuke >Black immigrants are above black average This proves your whole white settler class argument invalid, under your own argument, black immigrants, who are also better educated than the native blacks, part of the settler class
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>>1237161 wtf how did you quote the post before it was made
>>1237165 The exjannies nuked the board and now posts are catching up, it's a mess It's s basically leftypol dot org fault
>>1236833 >I hope you'll one day have positive reasons to feel joy. But it IS a positive reason to feel joy, anon.
>>1236364 Burger here, I can almost guarantee you the average American will one hundred percent fall for the jewish nonsence before they even consider based elon musk being not wholesome 100
>>1236361 You invented it in the 90's, you stupid fucks.
>>1237200 Neoliberalism was theorized by Jews in the Chicago school, not by the "dissident right" This is not even a conspiracy or anything
>>1237204 It was also invented in the 60's
>>1237206 Forgive my ill-informed burgerism, all I know is NAFTA bad & Reagan bad too.
>>1237057 >small/non existent government >deregulation >privatization >free trade I wouldn't totaly disagree and generally neolib/con lean towards these things in burgerland but for the most part alot of it is a total meme, I mean the phrase "free trade" is a joke, the only reason most US corporations are still private is the government gave it back after bailing them out with enough money to nationalize them, so it's "private" only to keep the meme going. Small/nonexistent government only applies in burgerland of course, there's no ideological adherence or values just what can extract the most wealth and expand the power of the US while not making it's citizens back home chimp out
>>1236284 The other side of that is private capital is now pushing woke token "diversity" initiatives, even though those at the top of the foodchain are still predominantly white men. Being racist is shitty, but one can't help but think that the cannibalization of the white middle class by capital is just a politically expedience to accelerate the concentration of capital. It was a foolish calculation to believe for one second that capitalism pledges fealty to anything besides accumulation. All in all, race is manipulated by capitalism with chameleonic skill, changing with the times to reflect whatever policy towards it is most profitable. >How do you think the right is going to resolve this? Do you think they'll drop neoliberalism, or continue to cling to their delusion and say that the reason why neoliberalism doesn't promote white idpol is because the communist illuminati or whatever? We're already seeing what they will do in its faint initial stages. Through hissy fits and wave their guns around. FBI report says armed protests are planned at every 50 state capitols. The left wish it had this ability to wield fear. Its only tool is to "cancel" people, but this is limited to the interpersonal domain.
>>1237200 >>1237206 No, it was invented in the 1930s, as a reaction against currents such as Keynesianism rising to dominance within the mainstream. It mostly languished in obscurity for the next 40 years. >>1237204 >it wasn't us it was just da juice Reminder fascists ranging from Franco's Spain to Pinochet's Chile had always been the neolibs' biggest audiences, up until neolibs finally got their mainstream coup in the '70s with "muh stagflation" maymay. >>1237212 >generally neolib/con lean towards these things in burgerland No, that is the definition neolibs themselves outlined from their earliest days as, e.g., Mont Pelerin Society, Colloque Walter Lippmann, and earlier Autistrian School proto-LOLbert types. >the phrase "free trade" is a joke It means, simply, deregulation of trade, specifically to force states into a race to the bottom, and an eventual dissolution of national laws made by governments, in favor of transnational agreements forged by smoky rooms of plutocrats, such as ISDS. It is opposed to protectionist measures such as tariffs, and ultimately to any national laws which dare to stipulate higher standards than prevail anywhere else. Note that LOLberts themselves were indeed, as you imply, mostly a burger thing historically (evolving out of the Objectivist/Bircher/black helicopter/survivalist/sovereign citizen/etc. conspiratard tradition from the 1950s to 1970s when the ALP was finally formed) and somewhat more grassroots. Whereas neolibs were quite international, coming from continental Euro economists that rapidly mixed with similar gigaporky mouthpieces in the Americas and Asia, almost entirely confined to academia and some large corporations for most of their early history. During their big breakthrough in the 1970s, the two then merged quite substantially, though something of a soft ancestral divide still remains (e.g.: the thinktank Cato is still very LOLbert, whereas AEI is mostly pure neolib, but they overlap strongly).
>>1237045 >The race issue will be solved by extending whitness to all Americans. That's like trying to extend O- blood type to everyone. >"Muh social construct, muh Irish became white" The Irish and other formerly marginalized European ethnic groups weren't classed as non white, they were discriminate against for not being protestant, and competing with native born workers for low skill jobs. An 18th century WASP would'de been fine with his daughter marrying a well off protestant Irishman
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>>1237245 Also, I should emphasize why it is important not to misuse the term "neolib". One of the most pernicious practices of neolibs in recent times is to insist they "don't exist", are "made up", or that the term "has no real definition". Which is the most brazen sort of lie, if you remember that they literally coined the term themselves, along with a very precise outline of their founding principles. >>1237247 >other formerly marginalized European ethnic groups weren't classed as non white Hahahaha! You don't know the half of it you brainless MTW LARPer. Pic 2 related, are you one of those darkie Swedes trying to horn in on the authenticity of the huwite race?
Wait just one minute >protestant Irishman You might be more sly than I assumed at a glance
>>1237258 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick%27s_Battalion Irish catholics even deserted to Mexico during the Mexican-American war because they faced persecution even within the military You are a retard.
>>1237258 Ol Benny was already senile when he said that. >>1237262 Exactly. It was about religion. 9 Irishmen signed the Declaration of Independence. They wouldnt've been allowed to do that if everyone thought they weren't white.
>>1237264 >9 Irishmen signed the Declaration of Independence. Huh, didn’t know that.
>>1237266 Now you do
>>1237264 >It was about religion Oh, look, I think it might be on the cusp of learning. Think a little: What kinds of criteria do you think societies for most of history concentrated on most when evaluating "us" vs. "them" distinctions?
>>1237268 Not class :) Usually memebership of whatever group/tribe. society you're talking about.
>>1237217 What power? All they did was get on the fed shit list and since their op-sec was so bad most of them have been rounded up. The next protest won't be shit, the buzz on social media is the event is an Antifa trap. The establishment aren't scared of the right. They are useful tools to be played with and discarded when necessary. Like I said in my earlier post that the Trump cult is going to be regulated to a convenient boogeyman. While the neo-cons and smarter of the fash get project paperclipped into the greater neo-lib project. Just look at Richard Spencer. He sees the writing on the wall and knows that open racial fascism is a non-starter. The future is a woke nationalism and the creation of an American ethnicity. >>1237266 Looks like it was 8 not 9 https://www.irishpost.com/life-style/meet-8-irishmen-signed-us-declaration-independence-july-4-1776-156950 But Anti-Irish sentiment came about much later. It prolly was more an Immigrant thing but it really shows how you can lose and gain "whiteness" at the drop of a hat. You can also point to the Italians who were thought to be barely above black people for a good chunk of time.
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>>1236284 Its not exactly that they observe the fact that constitutional rights have been overshot by private property rights, but, the fact that thanks to their liberal ideological base thinking, the proliferation of the market in all aspects of life as the supreme form of moral judgment, and as such, they think that those two categories are the same thing, the market guides the individual to perfect equilibrium and the best outcome.Hence they cannot possibly understand, when real markets don´t work according to theory.
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>>1237000 >American fascism is still alive and well, but it was never going to be something resembling its European counterparts given fascism´s real definition it doesn´t gave to be racist, Mussolini´s version for example wasn´t.Thats primarly the mask where it finds the support of capital, it will hold whatever phrase it need for this, being that solely which people can be fooled with, that which maximizes this quantity. This IS fascism in its complete existence.Form here on out what happened it the capital can only have to explanations, either, either Trump was trying to figure out the real support for fascism in America hence he voluntarly called for a coup and after seeing the full demonstration made the forces retreat.Or Trump is actually not very bright and he didn´t take into account the fact that people would take his word to literally, and hence, this uprsing, was a "procedural mistake" of the mechanism.However may be the point, they were a clear demostration of fascism, the reason why they didn´t take power was because the US ain´t at that level of decrepitness yet.
>>1237174 >History shows that therr was no such thing as "whiteness" >Better come up with some dumb shit excuse like "whiteness can be earned" Here's the best part of it all, jif you understand that the "white" supremacist petty bourgeoisie is lowing power to the neolibs, you are pretty much validating all of /pol/ arguments about how the 1% of america is not on their side, thus the ZOG conspiracy would be valid Good job idiot
>>1237404 >if race isn't real then hitler was right Reminder that Settlers was dug up by ironic goon trolls specifically to annoy people with a caricature of the most insufferably retarded leftoid strawman imaginable. It is literally the Gay Nіɡɡеrs From Outer Space or goatse.cx of communism.
>>1237423 If the 1% of america isn't "white" supremacist, poltards are correct, Settlers have absolutely nothing to do with this argument. By labeling the petty bourg as white supremacists and in conflict against the big bourg, the big bourg is ought to be against "whiteness"
>>1237454 Oh, okay, I concur, the response to this ordeal has indeed played right into the delusions of /pol/. Sorry, your initial English was too broken for me to understand.
>>1236399 >white settler class Go to bed Sakai
>>1237040 I wouldn't impregnate my girlfriend in the coming years
>>1237066 >Latines Stop
>>1237133 >White privilege and supremacy We don't use these words here, are you new?
>>1237145 If they paid to be here they probably are to some capacity, labor aristocrat for the most part
>>1236993 Idealism is the implication that trump tweeting is a genuine attempt to reinstate natural rights to whites lmao
>>1237161 >>1236927 It averages income from different black ethnic groups, and it does it in a manner that obscures. E.g. Median household income (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income) Nigerian American (2018): $68,658 White American (2018): $65,902 American (2018): $63,179 Somali American (2019): $20,600 Why the huge difference between Nigerians and Somalis? Because Nigerians mainly immigrate though the typical channels of college and employment. Somalis mainly immigrate through refugee status. Due to this, averaging the two ethnic groups gives a false impression and obscures facts.
>>1291188 This is why all idpol is bad. In this case the nigerians can get an advantage by affirmative action while the actually poor somalis don't get anything from it. But as long as the averages between identity groups are right liberals are happy.
>>1236927 >All US adults: 52k That's somewhat misleading. The median wage for US workers in 2019 was $34,248.45 a year. The "average" doesn't account for Burgerland's insane income inequality.
>>1291572 Because as non-PMC they're outside the sphere that can afford to apply for AA venues such as college in the first place, except through thin supply of grants of grants.
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>>1291408 That's for individuals, not households. The most appropriate number, in combination with other anon's Wikipedo table, would be ACS's 2018 household median income for all Americans, which was $61,937: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
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>>1236840 > After the capitol storming it's pretty obvious fascism is dead on arrival. predicted by leftypol
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>>1236840 > After the capitol storming it's pretty obvious fascism is dead on arrival. predicted by leftypol
>>1236361 Nice propaganda.
>>1236368 >I'm aware. Anyone who wasn't an idiot could tell that the white supremacists who went in for that ideology were just useful idiots. If they were usefull idiots, they would not have been thrownnof the plattform or set up at the Capitol Hill protests
>>1236392 >In reality, the first amendment is supposed to just restrict the government from shutting you up. This is not true, it also covers public space and effective public space. Otherwise speech on most strerts would be banned as large sections of the streets are privately owned, this would make most street area of any city non-free speech zones. US courts have settled against this consistently. Social media is effectively the public square. If you're a dissident, why are you not worried about this?
>>1292678 The neolibs who started the ideology had no idea it would go this far. This isn't something built up with Trump, they've been doing this for decades, since the 70s. When you had the neoliberal coup at the end of the 70s, and big movements to support them like the Moral Majority, these people had no idea what the movement they were developing would morph into and that these inmates would ever start running the asylum. When they were building this fascist movement, they simply thought the fascists they were encouraging and growing would always be fine with the status quo of Republican politics.
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>We don't actually hate white people we just want jus-
>>1292682 All public spaces are owned and administered to by the state. If they aren't, it isn't a public space and you have no rights when you're there. It's not a matter of "support", it's a matter of laughing at fascists getting hoist by their own petards for supporting neoliberalism.
>>1292693 >Break through a police line and into the capitol building and then attempt to storm into the senate chambers >Get shot <H-how could this happen?!?! It's a very lib, idpol take, but he's saying that it's good that the cops are not being as ridiculously lenient with the far-right as they have been.
>>1292699 Shitlib moment
>>1292690 This is bullshit, Trump governed like a zionist and only concerned himself with the DOW outside of whatever faction of ultra orthodox jews he allied himself with. He purged Sessions, Kobach, and any other nationalist like character in favour of neocons. The fact that none of you are even remotely aware of this, shows you dont check your fanfic against reality. He also pardoned several criminals who ran operations that bordered on slavery, can you guess what they have in common?
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>>1292704 >It's good that the cops aren't babying the far-right anymore <y-you're a shitlib
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>>1292707 The whole establishment is neolib, you idiot. Trump AND your good "nationalists". It's only been in the last year or so, if not the last weeks that neoliberalism has been even remotely questioned by the right. The only region your "nationalists" have ever questioned neoliberalism to any real extent has been on the question of immigration because the "nationalists" thought a neoliberal state with no immigration would be a de facto white ethnostate, which you were fucking wrong about.
>>1292696 >If they aren't, it isn't a public space and you have no rights when you're there. That's not quite true, think of something like a shopping mall or parking lot that is "generally open to the public", regardless of its being private property. Here's probably the best known instance of what the post you replied to was talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruneyard_Shopping_Center_v._Robins As that article notes, this is where a lot of the brouhaha over various aspects of Section 230's legitimacy comes from, and court rulings could take a major bite out of hotpockets' rights.
>>1292707 Coping MIGAtard
Idpol inherently leads to instability because it is inherently divisive. MAGA white nationalist bs is simply a mirroring of liberal idpol bs. It is not a departure from it. It's conservative Christian cis-het blah blah white male identity politics. Just as idpol has self-destructed the left, so it has the right, except the right is more homogenous and presents a united front while the left is more atomized by all its endless assortment mayonnaise genders and victimized groups.
>>1292783 That headline doesn't say the far- right, it says white people Remind me again how is that all white people are far right lol, shitlib
>>1292817 It was about white supremacists, dumbass. The cops barely did anything to white supremacists because they were white.
>>1292823 The article doesn't say white supremacist, it says white people Remind me again how all white people are le ebul white supremacist lol
>>1292693 >>1292825 Yeah, the article in that pic is loathsome garbage, wypipo are subject to abuse by le popo too, in greater numbers, but of course lower proportion. And for the same underlying reason as blax (i.e.: class): https://theintercept.com/2018/02/05/mass-incarceration-class-predictor-race/ Which isn't to say muh bloo line bootlicker boomers & wignats getting dunk'd on isn't totes kewl. Nor that the /pol/yp who took the screenshot isn't a 'tard for obsessing over le spector of muh juice.
>>1292825 That was clearly the context of that article. You're either stupid or are arguing in bad faith.

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