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🇧🇴/BOLIVIA/🇧🇴 Anonymous 10/18/2020 (Sun) 19:41:51 No. 1012356
Luis Arce (MAS) is officially the president of Bolivia. Kawsachun News: https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews Camila Escalante from telesur: https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR Alina Duarte: https://twitter.com/AlinaDuarte_ Ollie Vargas: https://twitter.com/OVargas52
Edited last time by krates on 11/26/2020 (Thu) 03:02:45.
>>1016266 Burgers are thick as shit we all know this. They should not be consulted with regards to the english language and i'd trust someone who spoke eng as a second, third or even seventh language before i trusted a yankee.
>>1016256 based >>1016260 >MUH DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS NOOOO Do you have 0 understanding of linguistics? You do realize that the meanings of words change over time? Just because you're "technically" correct doesn't mean that you aren't indirectly committing a faux pas in-line with anti-leftist propaganda. There is a reason that journalists don't use "regime" to refer to Western neo-lib countries but use "regime" to describe anti-imperialist, anti-American countries. Also, from the dictionary since you fetish it so much: >re·gime : a government, especially an authoritarian one.
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>>1016279 t. glowie butmad and lashing out because they loosing. Go back to your shithole containment thread yankee. :)
>>1016290 I've been supporting Morales in all my posts ITT you brainlet. I'm sorry that me educating you in a basic lesson in linguistics makes you this mad. Get help.
>>1016260 Bruh, regimes is almost always used to define "authoritarian" governments nowadays. >>1016290 You're wrong, the other anon is right.
>>1016308 Wrong. T. non-burger english speaker. doesn't use words wrong like you retarded burgers now stfu.
>>1015791 Nationalising companies that are vital to the economy is something more akin to the labour position of the 60s. The position that differentiates them from the cucksocdems of the first world is that we in the third world don't get a chance to do that anymore, not since the kennedian model of national industry was scraped in favour of the neoliberal aproach supported by Washington Also, they are pretty antiimperialist in their foreign policy, and are good friends with Cuba, Venezuela,etc.
>>1016322 Yeah, the members of the cabinet might be socialist, but the things they are doing are pretty standard social democracy, as you say, pre-neoliberalism. In certain contexts, it is important to remind libs that Venezuela and Bolivia is scandinavian social democracy in latin america. If it is inherently impossible for it to work, they must either blame race, culture, or imperialism. If they are libs, they'll blame culture, you just cite that it is working, despite massive US interventions, sanctions, assassination attempts, numerous failed coups, sabotage, etc :^)
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>>1015791 The most basic of social democracy in a non imperialist country is objectively far left.
>>1016256 They listened to Jason.
>>1016374 Jason fucking based. <3 If you're reading this, cheers to you mate.
>>1016374 Jason the realest one as always
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>>1016374 >not going to be able to use that line again. lmao jason you poor naive man. just watch them.
>>1016404 They'll try it again elsewhere, but I think in Bolivia nobody is going to buy "MAS is so good at rigging elections they rigged it when they were out of power"
>>1016418 You underestimate the balls out no fucks given of the Eternal Anglo. One must only look at there history in lat-am.
>>1016418 Yep, see >>1014203, they will now focus on Venezuela and Nicaragua.
>>1016418 They are going to try the "MAS was democratically elected, but they are being undemocratic now so we must unseat".
>>1016431 They allready have been. They do not go one country at a time.
>>1016418 >>1016429 >>1016436 One very strong message they sent to the huge indigenous population is that if the government leaders ever get couped again, they will be slaughtered as they were this last time. It's incredibly worrying that the people who participated in the massacres and were loyal to the coupists, are still in the government.
>>1016308 >Bruh, regimes is almost always used to define "authoritarian" governments nowadays. this. The word has a specific connotation. Might be different in certain countries tho
>>1016256 >arturo murillo is reappointed What are they planning?
>>1016506 I imagine people in government positions get legal immunity, they might be trying to help him flee the country
>>1015899 Does "teta" as an adjective have a specific meaning in Bolivia?
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>>1016256 >>1016267 INTO THE PIT HE GOES
>>1016811 this whole thing has been the first good thing to happen all year
>>1016811 I'm reading rumors of Arce being prone to austerity (even if not in key sectors), are these true?
>>1015220 listen the latest TrueAnon episode
>>1016452 True, like, everytime will be repeated into oblivion the phrase: <Remember Senkata! <Remember the privatizations <Remember the corruption in the Hospitals <etc,etc,etc. >>1017170 With all the corruption and crisis in the goverment is austerity or chinese loans, which one is better? I don't know.
>>1017151 Oposition genocided there people, I hope it has really lit a fire in some of the leftists in power who had started to become more complacent over time. Over all this whole saga could prove to be very energizing for the bolivian and larger lat-am left.
>>1017190 Massacred not genocided, srry.
>>1016811 Based
>>1017189 Selling lithium and raising taxes for example
>>1017204 “We will have to have austerity measures. There’s no other option if we don’t have enough income to cover our current expenditures,” Arce said. The 57-year-old said the economic model he helped implement under Morales worked and will work once again. The UK-educated socialist, who ran on a platform pledging welfare spending, said cuts would not affect public investment, which he said will be a “priority” to reactivate growth. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/20/bolivias-luis-arce-says-no-role-for-morales-in-new-govt NOT A GOOD SIGNAL
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>>1017209 I hope we won't have a "Lenin Moreno" 2.0 situation, I would become perma-doomer if that happens.
>>1017233 I don't think it will never get THAT bad (thanks to the power of unions and the fact that Union members are in Bolivian Senate and without them government has no majority), still a HUGE red flag. The situation must be closely watched.
elon musk's face rn?
>>1017209 This seems contradictory with what stated here https://nitter.snopyta.org/telesurenglish/status/1312552140032872450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1312552140032872450%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3%2Ccontainerclick_0&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telesurenglish.net%2Fnews%2Fbolivias-eebate-mas-to-lauch-communities-in-action-program-20201003-0013.html I'd say the situation is to be watched closely, personally i deeply appreciate the import substitution bit but if austerity is the price to pay to achieve this idk if the tradeoff is worth it.
>>1017263 The austerity is aimed at which part of the State/economy? If it is the military that would be good and hilarious, but if it is healthcare that would be bad
>>1017274 It would be on the police in case, doing this on the military would be condemning to another coup. The Healthcare sector is still in its infancy (Universal helathcare was instated in 2018) so i don' think it will get hit.
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Santa Cruz rightoids are mobilizing.
>>1017308 You know what to do.
>>1017308 Why do gusanos always look like steryotypical gusanos? lmao.
>>1017308 Hope they get into a confrontation with the State and get utterly crushed
>>1017301 Also. is there someplace i could find the electoral program of the MAS?
>>1017170 Morales ran a fiscally conservative government because he was so baller he ran a neigh-permanent surplus.
>>1017308 all packed together like that, would be a shame if some of those miners had an accident involving explosives in the middle of them
>>1017375 >Fiscal surplus >Massively expanding public sector Literally he broke economics with the sheer power of BDE if true
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>20% gap
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>>1017389 Literally a wizard did it. No mere mortal (read:anglo) could harness such power.
>>1017399 And not even 80% counted and still rising. Seems like they outperformed even the exit polls.
>>1017389 It's later, but as someone that has studied Bolivian economics, in short Bolivia took revenues from natural resources (hydrocarbons, lithium, other metals like copper) and use all of the proceeds only for investment spending: like building infrastructure, schools, hospitals shit like that. Then, he used regular taxation and the revenues not spent on investment to fund day-to-day spending, by doing this he was basically able to fuck with the curse of resources by using its income purely for more expansionary spending, in laymen's term converting petrodollars into investment that pays back more money longterm. Since he used direct taxes and the savings he made not using taxes on investment to fnud day-to-day spending, he was able to run a surplus. That is very simplified, ignores shit like his "3 Rs" programme to combat adult literacy: >Officials say that it is thanks to the "Yes, I can" programme that illiteracy rates dropped from 13.28% in 2001 to 3.8% in 2014, when the last census was conducted. But yeah, in effect Morales hacked neokeynsianism and did some MMT-type shit (although not actual MMT).
>>1017389 Ok, I've seen fiscal data for Bolivia and i have to say that they are still a commodity (as in "natural stuff" not in the Marxian sense) driven economy, so the austerity/expansion discourse matters way less than in advanced economies: first and foremost are industrialization and import substitution; once money for these two are granted the rest is important in the short term but not in the long one.
>>1017416 Yes, also paying off foreign debts: one major thing Morales did was pay off all world bank debt.
>>1017452 Tbh, import substitution is a lot less of a issue in the 21st century: more important is formalising the economy.
>>1017472 Import substitution is KEY to resist eventual sanctions from US/Brazil (Bolivia is landlocked so it can only trade with argentina if SHTF) and at the same time guarantee a decent quality of life. It's like Juche without the problematic aspects.
>>1016811 jesus he looks like such a nice person
>All these posts >Nobody doing future Bolivia focus tree
>>1017564 wdym?
>>1017567 When you win an election you get +50 political power but it's pointless because bolivia ran out of focuses to expand their influence and now they have to play a boring game where they manually justify war goals against their neighbors
>>1017576 This is a reference to some video game bullshit, isn't it? Grow up, you're not a kid anymore.
>>1017576 >Having fascists militia inside one province >Having to reindustrialize >Having to balance diplomacy with China >Having to reform the army >Having to get sea access Trust me it would be fun as hell
>>1017587 >doesn't know that every tripfag ever is from the hyper-autist set who doesn't do growing up but lives off of packaged food, video games, pretend internet social relationships and neet bux.
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Now they need to purge their Supreme Court and military of traitors. Both of them are filled with CIA plants that allowed the US-backed fascist coup to occur in the first place. But because MAS/Arce/Morales are cuckdems they probably won't.
>>1017608 They funny thing is that if fascists keep going with their secessionist bullshit the MAS WILL have to crush them with force.
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>>1017608 año zero when
>>1017616 What force? They don't have any weapons let alone militias. That's why Morales whisked away to Mexico and Argentina. If MAS had any sense they would copy PSUV and create civil militias separate from the traitorous military and pack their Supreme Court like Chavez did.
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>>1017587 boring
FASCISTS MOBILIZING AROUND THE COUNTRY Seems this shit will get more and more serious
>>1017635 It's a satire account from what I can tell. Yup, it is from the responses https://nitter.net/GibsonMcFuck/status/1318616870422011905#m
>>1017741 Masks off
>>1017741 Anyone have a translation?
>>1017768 My Spanish is meh but here Dear Bolivians (male and female) I address you all to express the position of the CREEMOS alliance. We are living in moments of uncertainty generated by a very bad administration of the electoral process by part of the TSE. We warn that to get rid of the rapid count of votes was an error. That was our principal weapon to detect the fraud of 2019 and now we don't have it. Despite this, we believe we are doing our best effort of electoral control to take care of the vote of the Bolivians who trust in us. Lastly, I want to tell you all that you all have my word; I will not go to any place, I will not leave my community (or town/city), not leave my people. I will always be firm, defending the agenda of the Cabildos and all those who fought in the twenty-one days. We will finish together what we started in the streets.
>>1017793 Their goal as of now is to stop the votes from being counted. Right now the count is at 83,6% and they hope to fuck it all up.
>>1017853 even if all uncounted votes were for the runner up party it wouldnt be enough to stop MAS from winning
>>1017741 This is so fucking pathetic lol Just fucking leave the country, you failed as a Gladio Op in a fucking South American country lmfao, fucking leave and go somewhere else to do your gay ops
>>1017876 Actually fuck it, stay there, and die in a hard labor camp. Fucking hate LatAm right wingers so god damn much
>>1017895 Is MAS based enough to put political opponents in labour camps or are they too succdem to do it?
>>1017909 They'll probably jail the people responsible for the clusterfuck that happened last year, but they'll probably just let Camacho and his retarded bunch just sperg out into irrelevancy for now. Wouldn't be surprised if they do something retarded like Guiado from insistence of dumbfuck Neocons aping for regime change, then they'll get jailed.
>>1017909 In 2008 they sent the army to crush a tentative secession in Santa Cruz, but as long as fash don't go full civil war i don't think they will do shit.
>>1017909 Don't see why they would. He is a clown that lost any credibility he may have had with this election. Now he's a useful idiot that prevents a united liberal-fascist opposition by being a retard. The based thing to do would be to reform the police and military.
>>1017963 Wouldn't be surprised if Arce does that. It's literally necessary for them to do it
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>>1017973 He's already beefing Brazil over their role in the coup.
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>>1017408 he looks like some kind of ayahuasca santa claus
>>1019086 Don’t they know? If it ain’t rainin’ it ain’t trainin’.
>>1017620 >/ss/ matriarchy based
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Arce with 4D chess.
>>1019448 Chad Arce. I hope they have the balls to start purging the traitors. The top echelons of the military are fascist US puppets and should be investigated, found guilty and shot. We need a La Paz Trials
>>1019448 Based but a link to the Spanish interview would be nice
>>1012356 Good news... I forgot how they felt after such a long time
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>This is what Bolivians were doing in early August. The regime wasn't defeated by voting alone. People have been fighting against the coup for a whole year. >The MAS was founded on the principle of fusing social struggle & electoral struggle. One without the other is the path to defeat.
>>1012977 Because the whole world placed their bet on the wrong horse. All those money they wasted on this coup, all the left-wingers they killed, it was for nought.
>>1019474 Bolivia gives me hope bros
>>1019448 5D chess Arce?
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>Bolivia's chief of police Iván Rojas (responsible for ordering the mass arrests of MAS supporters) has decided to take his annual holiday.
>>1019488 link?
>>1019501 Hahah, autumn holiday in Florida sounds nice this time around.
>>1019501 F L O R I D A L O R I D A
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>>1019501 >When Gusanos start exiling themselves
>>1019501 Auto-purge it is then.
>>1019474 >The MAS was founded on the principle of fusing social struggle & electoral struggle. One without the other is the path to defeat. Socdems and ultras alike take note.
>>1013372 like a bitch, comrade
>>1017163 Years are spooks, but this is when we turn the tide.
>>1019876 25 October, Chilean referendum. That could be somewhat useful if won for the left in LATAM. Next big prize is Ecuador in 2021.
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Are they gonna try another coup?
>>1019897 Idk, it depends on the neoliberal sectors and how will they move. It seems to me they have less strength than in 2019 though.
>>1019897 I don't think so. They'd internationally isolate themselves. In lieu of some claim of existential threat like WMDs or terrorism or communist subversion (mostly a cold war relic but still appears from time to time), the blob has relied on human rights as a justification for action. Which of course is why they relied so much on the notion of democratic restoration for the original coup and for meddling in Venezuela. But as it is, the undeniable narrative is that a right wing government that was attempting to block elections got voted out, which settles democratic legitimacy for now. If some kind of second military coup or right wing militant insurrection occurs, most of the developed countries will be forced to tepidly condemn the violence and national politicians will have incentive to avoid associating themselves with support of the new government. This has actually happened before with key US allies, like the Bush admin being forced to criticize Uzbekistan for the Andijan massacre even though Uzbekistan was considered a key access point to Afghanistan at the time. So I think they'll be forced to wait for the next election cycle, or they will have to try to gin up some claim to repression by MAS in the coming years. In the meantime they are just throwing a fit, and the national bourgeoisie of Bolivia probably feels powerless to do much but threaten and intimidate MAS to try to ensure that they maintain a seat at the table.
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>>1019897 I imagine the guy just want rightoids to chimp out to intimidate MAS from being too cocky, they lost this one.
>>1019986 I hope they expel the embassy.
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>>1019986 lmfao
>>1013547 >liberals simp for Musk in everything he does >liberals also help people who stand in Musk's way you can't have it both ways.
>>1013822 >Wiphala I thought she removed it entirely Is it her way of begging for mercy?
>>1013940 Who's the left one?
>>1014019 I wish Chile deserves this a long time ago
>>1020072 Jacinda Ardern, the New Zealand prime minister. Probably a neolib though.
>>1014935 The runner-up Carlos Mesa's party calls themselves "Revolutionary Left Front" Guess it's trendy to give themselves lefty names. Or the people are so left in Bolivia, the righties need to bait them somehow into voting them.
>>1014950 The second Soviet Union will establish itself in Latin America.
>>1020112 Chile, Peru and Bolivia will be the core of the next communist revolution
>>1020143 Inb4 South American superpower in a single 5 year plan.
>>1020112 >Unión de Países Socialistos Cibernéticos Latínoamericos
>>1020092 >Probably If she was something like Corbyn, there would be endless bitching and moaning and accusations of ineluctability and anti-semitism. So most likely.
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>>1020162 >>1020151 From New Aztlan to Isla Grande de Tierra del Fuego
>>1020171 Yeah, that's what I figured, but I know shit all about NZ tbh.
>>1016708 who comes up with shit like this hahaha
>>1020112 I knew my Spanish would come in handy >tfw no qt3.14 comrade latina gf
>>1020239 basado
is it time to finally learn spanish lads
>>1020295 If you're American and have the means, you should already be learning it. A lot of American working class people are speak primarily Spanish. Also it's cool to be bilingual.
>>1020311 I learned German thinking I'd be moving to Europe, so I might's well learn spanish
>>1020025 jfc is every southamerican croat a piece of shit
>>1020526 Gusanos?
>>1020526 Well they're virtually all descendants of Ustase refugees so I would assume so
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<A small group of coup supporters march in Sopocachi, La Paz, in rejection of the recent elections in which the majority of Bolivians voted for the left.
>>1021024 What are they yelling?
>>1021024 >reeeesistencia, reeeesistencia, reeeesistencia, reeeesistencia cringe >>1021036 "Fuera carajo"? lol, I have no idea either, but I think I heard >¿Quieren sentencia? >¿Quieren rendirse? >Nadie se rinde >¿Evo de nuevo?
>>1019448 why hasn't this piece of shit killed himself yet?
>>1021024 rich kids, lmao you can tell they are not used walking by themselves guess all their employees were celebrating
>>1021024 gusanos make my blood boil
>>1020025 >nooo america please fuck my asshole vile creatures
>>1020311 I had to learn french because our middle school was there. I also speak bengali and russian, but I gotta start working on spanish at some point.
>>1021173 Who's that fag?
I'm cringing so much at retards ITT that somehow think Bolivia is going full socialist. Son una manga de idiotas.
>>1021384 Such as? Can you quote a few of them?
>>1013372 After what happened to Corbyn I haven't allowed myself to be so invested in an election that I'm able to cry from happiness or sadness. But this did make me smile.
Lol NGOs glowies trying to whitewash their support of the coup while still calling Evo morales a "dictator".
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>>1021024 <Here's the group of a hundred or so far-right "resistance" protesters currently outside the Supreme Electoral Court. They're screaming that those who "don't jump are pro-MAS faggots"
https://mobile.twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1319103997081382912 Far right groups demand a suspension of the vote count (as of now at 91,26% of the total). I feel that they are gearing for confrontation.
>>1021864 https://mobile.twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1319091373010751491 Middle class Larpers getting BTFO by working class majority in La Paz, you love to see it.
>>1021880 >getting BTFO >literally the tamest thing in politics
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Yemen stands tall and there is a fragrance of victory that covers everything and it is not far fetched to think that this fragrance has reached Bolivia, and power has returned to the legitimate leadership to the Party of the resigned president Evo Morales. Yemen stands tall and many Yemeni prisoners have been released in an exchange operation . It is true that they were released on both sides but the victory is Ansarullah’s victory and is having repercussions on all . The World Order has been defeated , and we should all pay tribute to the sacrifices of the Yemeni people that have no par , and to the pure resolves of the Yemenis ; and we are waiting for the Iranian ships to start carrying fuel and other supplies to Yemen and rush to the succor of the Yemenis like they rushed to succor Venezuela. We all owe this to the Yemenis and their sacrifices , and we should stand as one . From Venezuela and Bolivia to Yemen and Iran , we are one .
>>1021671 >overweight gusano wearing the DIJ mask kek
For whatever criticisms you have about MAS, you have to admit, they aren't exhausted as a political vehicle for the working class, not yet at least
>>1021962 Source?
>>1021864 I'd say keep an eye on them for tomorrow, at least until vote count reaches 100%. (As of now is at 91,95%)
>>1021864 naive question are these people in a position to get away with a pogrom?
>>1021671 >They're screaming that those who "don't jump are pro-MAS faggots" They should go jump off a cliff.
>>1022108 In Santa Cruz? Yes In the rest of the country? They would get crushed.
Seems that the fascists right is getting increasingly nervous with the neolib one for recognizing Mas victory. If they start infighting it would be a HUGE blessing.
Stop replying to the bait Nazi threads in the catalog and sage plus report them and/or tell the mods to wake up at /gulag/. It's another coordinated /pol/ raid that's shitting up the catalog and killing good threads. There's like 10 or more identical polcuck threads right now Mods
>>1021671 >those who "don't jump are pro-MAS faggots" They did the same thing in Ukraine, same fucking script lmao
Vote counting site stuck at 93,29%,i'm getting increasily nervous right now
>>1022472 Got unstuck luckily.
>>1022472 Stop panicking you dolt MAS have won no one can dispute that now.
>>1022490 >Vote count getting increasingly stuck >Fascists trying to cancel the vote count altogether Nothing to worry here...
>>1022529 It's being stuck because it's bee going at a snail's pace for the last week. You try counting votes in bumfuck mountain, Bolivia.
>>1022538 Are you aware that this interregnum gives strength to the rightoids every passing hour, aren't you?
>>1022529 How will stopping the count at this point even help them? Even if all those remaining 6.5% are votes for Mesa they lose.
>>1022548 The vote DOES NOT MATTER for them. They only have to claim ANY KIND of irregularity to rile up their bases and start the coup machina back again.
>>1022553 Yeah and the political elite has all conceded now, some are fleeing, others are trying to apologise to MAS. To pull a coup in those conditions would be hilariously stupid and would fail massively.
>>1022547 It's not an "interregnum" you fucking idiot, Arce's inauguration is a month after the election regardless.
>>1022581 >>1022548 >>1022490 I would say there is a good chance that camacho and his pals in santa cruz will try to secede again. They've tried before and it seems to be like they want to invalidate the vote to gain legitimacy for their project. IF (big if) that happens the situation could get interesting, if MAS plays their cards right it would be the perfect chance to get rid of some of their biggest political opponents, but if they are to brutal it might give Brazil and/or the US an excuse to intervene in favor of santa cruz secessionists.
>>1022472 count seems to be going smoothly now
>>1022676 Tbh I think Brazil would over intervene, playing to Bolivia's hands.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1319261881425678338 Fascists getting violent. The struggle has just begun.
>>1022859 (Vote counting is at 94,01%)
>>1022859 Fun fact: The women bashed in the video seems to be a liberal one, and this could signify that a rift is opening between libs and faacists
>>1022877 That started when Anez kept on delaying the elections.
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Projections for the composition of the senate and lower house. Senate: MAS: 21 CC: 11 Creemos: 4 Chamber of deputies: MAS: 73 CC: 41 Creemos: 16 Congratulations MAS.
>>1021671 >>1022760 Imagine having like 50% Indigenous American DNA (some of the strongest jawlines in the world) and being a chinlet.
Socialist Republic of Bolivia when?
>>1022967 When Santa Cruz will be leveled to the ground like Dresden
/pol/ and hispachan on full cope mode because "umm actually Bolivia is natsoc so this is a win for us!"
>>1023012 They're retards, not surprised.
>>1023012 That take is even more retarded than the lib's.
>>1022959 Here comes the right wing coalition oh boy
>>1022553 How will the justify it, after purging key places and replace them with their own people? Of course there were irregularities. MAS actually won 68%. This is the true reason they are shitting themselves. Despite stealing 15% (the maximum amount you could steal with plausible deniability) it didn't fucking matter. For capis, Bolivia is a lost cause, a red no-go zone. They tried to reach the second round and failed miserably. It's over and they know it.
>>1021180 https://diplomatique.org.br/bolivia-na-estrada-com-a-elite-de-santa-cruz/ Here is an article by a journalist interacting with the Bolivian elite. You can see the contempt they have for their population and how much they desire to be north american compradors.
>>1023416 Yes, but if I understand correctly MAS will still have majority in both chambers. It'll be a relatively thin majority though.
>>1023470 do you have a source for the 68%?
https://nitter.snopyta.org/KawsachunNews/status/1319299197326286849 >Evo Morales has called for the resignation of Luis Almagro as OAS chief. The government of Mexico is leading the efforts to end Almagro's pro-US approach within the region. they really aren't waiting huh? just non stop based PURGE THE OAS
>>1020295 >is it time to finally learn spanish lads Not for Bolivia. It's difficult to get a residency visa there. https://www.bizlatinhub.com/visa-options-for-investors-in-bolivia/ In Ecuador you just need to buy US$25k of real estate or prove US$12k of annual income. https://fdclawyers.com/web/requirements-visa-9-ii https://residencies.io/residency/ecuador/temporary-residency/ec1
>>1024675 holy fucking BASED
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>"Once we get into power, we will eliminate the police and take our revenge on the Military" how can one man be so based?
>>1019520 BASED
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>>1023012 /pol/ was calling Evo a Narco-dictator only a few months ago. What a bunch of cucks.
>>1025234 >>1024675 I believe it when I see it. Left wing latin american leaders are stubborn pacifists. (Allende being a prime example).
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>>1023012 >"bolivia is natsoc" HOLY COPE
>MAS are natsocs for nationalizing the lithium mines >NSDAP privatized the trains Checks out guys it's over
>99.98% counted
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Counting is done.
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>>1027774 Gusano terrorism in 3......2.....1....
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>>1028549 kekekekek
>>1028549 BRING IT ON
Reading through the twitter reaction to CC and Camanchistas fighting and it is just pure salt, love to see it.
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>>1023012 >/pol/ and hispachan on full cope mode because "umm actually Bolivia is natsoc so this is a win for us!"
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Speaking of Camacho and the Santa Cruz fascists, this article about them is pretty good: https://mondediplo.com/2020/07/06bolivia I think it was posted before but it goes into the culture of the place. Like petit-bourg to the core, always trying to keep up with appearances via consumption and more expensive = better than, with much of their money tied up in land and inheritances, driving around in BMWs while getting pelted with rocks by indigenous people who hate them, and they hate the indigenous people too because they're racist as hell and the indigenous women "look funny." Their kids are doing Roman salutes in the local fascist youth leagues, all the while being desperately ashamed of being Bolivian and trying to emulate American-style fashion (and also speaking garbled English instead of Spanish). Also one guy the reporter meets has a copy of Mein Kampf with him and he's like "classic book! Have you read it?" I can tell you that where I live, few of these guys would be considered "white" by the standards of the white supremacists here.
>>1028638 >Outright brown people in the mix <White Living proof that whiteness is a social construct
>>1023012 If it's natsoc then why the actual bolivian nazis hate it?
>>1028638 >Their kids are doing Roman salutes in the local fascist youth leagues, all the while being desperately ashamed of being Bolivian and trying to emulate American-style fashion (and also speaking garbled English instead of Spanish) So literally every upper middle class in LATAM.
>>1028638 >they just straight-up start uoting Mein Kampf Goddamn, not even fash in europe tend to be that mask-off/
>>1023012 This is always funny for me. Literally so much things the right constantly demands, like a harmonious society and healthy patriotism is constantly achieved by leftists while "their" guys are always complete and utter cucks to multinationals, Zionists, and generally utter degenerates/puppets.
>>1028638 The article really shows that peace was never an option. Leftist latin american leaders do their people harm by not purging the elites.
>>1028638 Another article by Max and Ben about these guys when the coup happened: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/11/bolivia-coup-fascist-foreign-support-fernando-camacho/ Also goes into their ties to a wealthy landowner who had some of his land nationalized by Evo Morales. That guy is Branko Marinkovic, a Croatian-Bolivian with family ties going back to the Ustashe. Also details the Bolivian fascists' ties to the U.S. government, their power during the Cold War when they assisted right-wing military juntas and sheltered fascist war criminals such as Klaus Barbi. >>1028772 While class doesn't tell the whole story, it certainly plays a big role when building that healthy, harmonious society also leads to a relative loss in power and status for the established ruling elite. At the same time, within the overarching global game, or within the United States which they look up to, a lot of these Bolivian middle-class fascists would be viewed as barely being "qualified" enough to manage a 7/11. But within Bolivia, they're supposed to be the top dawgs compared to the Indian savages. Those savages running the government and getting engineering degrees to know how to run petroleum plants is just a horrible thought. Without that racialized caste system, what are you? At some level, deep down, I have to think they know -- even if they won't admit it -- that white people in the U.S. would just view them as another group of Indians. Your average country club Mighty Whitey in the Atlanta suburbs probably couldn't tell the difference between the two if they walked onto their golf course. >>1028754 https://youtu.be/LKTejyk9ZIA
New video of Ahi les Vá Victory of the MAS in Bolivia leaves in evidence the media role in the "fraud" https://youtu.be/LQGLLs5hP30 (in spanish)
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>>1028772 >When imperialism launches a war of aggression against such a country, all its various classes, except for some traitors, can temporarily unite in a national war against imperialism. At such a time, the contradiction between imperialism and the country concerned becomes the principal contradiction, while all the contradictions among the various classes within the country (including what was the principal contradiction, between the feudal system and the great masses of the people) are temporarily relegated to a secondary and subordinate position. So it was in China in the Opium War of 1840, the Sino-Japanese War of 1894 and the Yi Ho Tuan War of 1900, and so it is now in the present Sino-Japanese War. >But in another situation, the contradictions change position. When imperialism carries on its oppression not by war, but by milder means--political, economic and cultural--the ruling classes in semi-colonial countries capitulate to imperialism, and the two form an alliance for the joint oppression of the masses of the people. At such a time, the masses often resort to civil war against the alliance of imperialism and the feudal classes, while imperialism often employs indirect methods rather than direct action in helping the reactionaries in the semi-colonial countries to oppress the people, and thus the internal contradictions become particularly sharp. This is what happened in China in the Revolutionary War of 1911, the Revolutionary War of 1924-27, and the ten years of Agrarian Revolutionary War after 1927. Wars among the various reactionary ruling groups in the semi-colonial countries, e.g., the wars among the warlords in China, fall into the same category. >When a revolutionary civil war develops to the point of threatening the very existence of imperialism and its running dogs, the domestic reactionaries, imperialism often adopts other methods in order to maintain its rule; it either tries to split the revolutionary front from within or sends armed forces to help the domestic reactionaries directly. At such a time, foreign imperialism and domestic reaction stand quite openly at one pole while the masses of the people stand at the other pole, thus forming the principal contradiction which determines or influences the development of the other contradictions. The assistance given by various capitalist countries to the Russian reactionaries after the October Revolution is an example of armed intervention. Chiang Kai-shek's betrayal in 1927 is an example of splitting the revolutionary front.
>>1028549 wew, how dumb do you have to be to say shit like that I'm all for free speech but fuck this is funny.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FreddyteleSUR/status/1319657220871774208 LUIS ARCE PLAYS THE GUITAR AND IT'S SUPER CUTE
Just found this vid on youtube @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O64aIw2usSQ from two weeks ago, very interesting in retrospect
>>1029149 How left is this guy? In the media it was always portrayed that Acre was the "economically rational and moderate" force in the Morales government.
>>1029293 The important thing from this whole affair is that peasants and unions got radicalized further left. Even if Arce and MAS end up pulling a Lenin Moreno, the base will hold them accountable
>>1029293 I'd say he's Bernie tier, not much more, but mild social democracy in undeveloped country is a huge accomplishment lol.
>>1019501 There's gonna be another bay of piglets isn't it?
>>1029524 God willing
>>1029574 The eternal unruhe
Jason is again ruining everybodys good mood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXO0F_e4YJY
>>1029574 We already discussed this earlier in the thread
https://twitter.com/bayareas415/status/1319839209583247361 >Leaked emails suggest US mercenary plot in Bolivia Holy shit, glown¡ggers are not letting this go that easily
>>1030896 They need to have the people’s militias ASAP
>>1030896 They will need to get the new government sworn in fast. I understand they will be sworn in November 8th, which still leaves a 2 week window for the coupists. Earlier in the thread someone reported that the coup government, after MAS won, were putting new ministers or deputies into place despite losing and we were speculating on why. Perhaps it is connected to this.
>>1029293 >"I have had my ideas since I was 14 years old and I started reading Karl Marx. Since then I have not stopped having the same ideological position and I am not going to change for anything," Arce told Reuters in an interview on Tuesday. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bolivia-election-arce-newsmaker-idUSKBN2770GR Interesting insight.
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>>1030896 >1500 Mercenaries Christ
Isn't the victory of MAS proof, that we have overcome our sectarianism to a high degree? All kinds of leftists celebrate this event, from anarchists to tankies. We see this as OUR victory, a victory of leftism! But we must be honest: The victory of MAS is technically the victory of Democratic Socialism. Not orthodox Marxism or anarchism or whatever. This leads me to the conclusion: Is Democratic Socialism the solution for overcoming sectarianism and achieving left unity?
>>1031196 > Is Democratic Socialism the solution for overcoming sectarianism and achieving left unity? Not exactly, there was tons of criticism against Bernie and Corbyn here. I think it’s because No matter our differences, we don’t like fascists, the CIA and imperialism so of course we all defended Bolivia
>>1031196 The Mas (at least EVO's Mas, cause i have not good feelings about Arce) literally worked as Socialist Second International parties did before Kautsky decided to fuck everything up: direct action with union power (strikes etc)+ dual power network (They literally governed a region supplanting the State there during the coup)+ vanguard party (The unions respond to the party). What they added though is accountability for the party members (in Chapare they were literally tied to trees if they didn't the union biddings) and mass line (the party listens to the unions the unions listen to the people)
>>1031266 And that IMHO is why both socdems and MLs find things to appreciate in them.
>>1031196 It's not about demsoc, it's about the anti-imperialist litmus test. We (at least I and a big chunk) weren't pro-Bernie or -Corbyn for the very same reason. They didn't pass the test. latam demsocs, on the other hand, do.
>>1031196 What about this guy? >>1029574
EVO GOING TO VENEZUELA FROM ARGENTINA https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1319820559744602112
>>1030896 >>1030939 >>1031051 >US mercenary plot in Bolivia They have learned nothing, USA negotiates with a stick, and China negotiates with a carrot. Who do you think will get the lithium !? >>1500 Mercenaries You can not take over a country with 15hundred guys, their purpose is to generate chaos for revenge.It will produce the political capital to execute the coupists for high treason. They could have gotten off easy, a few fall-guys had to go to prison for the bloodshed after the coup, and that would have been the end of it. They are choosing to commit suicide. The Bolivian military clearly does not side with the coupists anymore or else they would have rigged the election. These mercenaries are being thrown into the meat grinder for no reason.
>>1031283 >the anti-imperialist litmus test. Did he passed the test?
>>1031305 What do you expect? A broken clock is right twice a day. What left-wing position hasn't V*ush larped as so far? He's an mutualist anarcho-syndicalist classical Marxist Bolshevik-Leninist left-communist demsoc neoliberal, after all.
>>1031311 >What do you expect? To be honest, I didn't expect that he would support MAS. I wonder what he thinks about Venezuela or Cuba....
>>1031266 >at least EVO's Mas, cause i have not good feelings about Arce I believe that Evo will play no role in history anymore, because as far as I know, Arce is much more popular among bolivians.
>>1031324 Castro once said the movement makes the leader, not the other way around.
>>1031324 Evo is going back to his union, the best move he could do. He'll return as a comrade among comrades, no higher honor.
>>1031304 > These mercenaries are being thrown into the meat grinder for no reason. Not necessarily; you said it yourself, MAS would (assuming these emails are real and some reactionary terror follows this election) need to respond with force, arresting those responsible, purging political parties, etc. This provides the US and western media with a way to paint MAS as a totalitarian party, bent on total domination of the region. In a worst case scenario, you could justify sanctions or even direct aggression through such a narrative, which could put Bolivia down the all-too-familiar road of siege-communism, OR hasten its fall to the forces of reaction.
>>1031355 The more punitive measures the US takes the harder Bolivia gets pushed towards China, nothing more.
>>1031389 >>1031389 Cuba got pushed towards the Soviet Union by US aggression; still, the constant embargo hurt their productive capacity, and the constant espionage and looming threat hurt their ability to establish higher stage communism.
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>>1031411 basado
>>1031404 That's why if you're an American leftist, it is your imperative duty to oversee the collapse of your country.
>>1031324 wrong he will not hold formal power, but undoubtedly he will remain someone that is listened to
>>1028772 /pol/'s racism is pretty much naked larping.
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>>1031732 This gives me a bit of hope. Let's see what happens now.
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>>1031732 isn't it nice to see when leftists aren't shitflinging sectarians
>>1031975 lots of asians in latin america, nothing particularly interesting
>>1031982 I mean it's fucking hilarious
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>>1031732 Based
what is santa cruz and why is it so gay
>>1032018 Have you heard about the Fujimori dynasty in Peru?
>>1031732 It's so weird seeing lots of blue flags for a leftist party amongst red flags for socialism Don't they get confused with the flags for the other parties?
>>1032247 There are a few stories behind this. First is that red is the colour of liberalism in a lot of Latam countries, and that several former socialist parties had used red and/or pink before selling out. Secondly is that MAS is legally a former fascist party, that Evo bought off a retired general because his party was denied registration, and that party's colour was blue: so they kept it.
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>>1032245 lmaoooo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtCPGhLAXEE >Evo Morales: “Now it’s the turn for the indians to defeat the gringos”
https://revistacrisis.com.ar/notas/bolivia-no-tiene-escrito-su-destino ALVARO GARCIA LINERA TALKS AFTER MAS VICTORY Asking for spanish anons to translate it and for New Multitude anon to maybe publish it once the translation is done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=619OZO85CMI >Bernie 100 Day Plan w/ Richard Wolff, Jeffrey Toobin, and Bolivian Socialism | Weekends (10/24/20) Anyone out there interested, autistic or bored enough to find the section of this stream on Bolivia and gib timestamp?
Basardo y rojopilled
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>>1034660 Holy shit they are going all out
>>1034664 >>1034665 Also the former justice minister under Evo had all charges against him dropped by a judge. Only a matter of time before they do the same for Evo: Mas have won.
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>>1034660 Finally a succdem party with balls. Hope they can deliver.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1320439864727392257 WOMEN UNIONS DEMAND EVO BACK AND ALMAGRO TO RESIGN
>>1034982 Mexican here Mom says Evo can't go outside unless he stops doing his hair like he had the tip of a penis for a head
>>1038474 YES YES YES
>>1037638 >>1014191 No retard. Most countries posted in this thread were pro morales. Germany, Spain, Italy etc.
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OCTOBER 26TH, IT'S EVO MORALES' BIRTHDAY Reply with happy birthday evo and imperialist tears will come to you.
>>1040265 I'd do it but i fear these people are ruining the party >>1040223
>>1040265 HAPPY BIRTHDAY EVO !!!
>>1040223 > "It was not a coup, and it was fraud" > "Okay, maybe it was not fraud. There was no coup tho." > "Okay maybe it WAS a coup" > "PLEASE, WE NEED ANOTHER COUP"
>>1040275 As of now there are only a few groups explicitly advocating a military takeover, what i really fear is Camacho talking this position. If it happens Bolivia could drown in civil war.
>>1040285 For a few groups i mean "a few hundreds"
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If there is another fucking coup attempt in Bolivia, MAS needs to go on a purging mode on these rightoids cause I'm not looking to see another fucking country being destroyed by US-backed right-wing forces.
Reminding the comrades that the ponchos rojos (red ... How you say it in english?) https://youtu.be/0bGp1N6yXP8 Revolutionary committee of the ponchos rojos upholds that they will support Arce and democracy. https://youtu.be/g2y5nJB1HU8
Holy based! Is Evo coming back?
>>1040265 Happy Birthday Evo!
>>1040223 Just some fashoids protesting, shit won't happen.
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>>1041139 HAPPENING
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>>1041139 Tbf, isn't this a bit presumptive, Arce isn't in power yet and the fash are on the streets: might it not be better to wait a bit?
>>1041159 For what reason do you mean? It's not as if the coupists don't know what's coming, they've already started making their moves, some preparing to flee the country and others mobilizing supporters to the street.
>>1041164 Because the libs and fashoids are literally fighting in the streets, cracking down now (as opposed to in like 3-6 months time) might force them backtogether again.
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>>1041166 Glowie? I funded the thread on the Bolivian coup to begin with, fuck off.
>>1041173 >I funded the Bolivian coup Yikes glowie. Go home.
>>1041171 Yes, that is true. Don't interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake as the saying goes.
>>1041186 oh god oh shit oh fuck
>>1041173 >I funded the thread what an unfortunate typo, lol ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣠⣤⣤⣤⣤⣤⣤⣤⣤⠀⢀⣀⡀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⢄⡶⠿⠿⠿⠿⣿⡿⣿⣯⣽⣿⣿⡿⡖⣿⣿⣯⣰⣾⠗⢆⣠⣤⡄⣀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣤⣴⣾⣿⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣶⣶⣭⣿⣿⣿⠯⣥⣴⣿⣩⣭⣹⣯⣿⢿⣿⣭⣤⣤⣤⣄⣀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣴⣼⣿⠿⣛⣩⣭⣰⣶⣶⣶⣿⣿⣷⣶⣼⣿⣿⣿⣶⢿⣟⠛⣻⣿⣿⡿⣉⣴⣶⣶⣾⣿⣯⣯⣭⣛⣓ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣾⣿⢟⣪⣶⣷⠿⠟⠛⢉⣩⣭⣽⣷⣿⣿⣟⣻⣿⣿⣷⣦⣌⣡⣾⣿⢿⣿⣇⣆⣤⣶⣶⣶⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⣄ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⢔⣿⣿⣿⣷⣿⠏⠋⣁⣤⣶⣿⣿⣿⣯⣭⣭⢉⣙⡛⠿⣿⣧⣙⠻⣻⡿⢿⣷⣡⣿⣿⣿⠿⠉⣉⣭⣽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⣄⡀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⠟⢁⣴⠼⣽⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⠿⠟⠛⠹⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⠿⠈⠛⣿⣿⣿⣿⡶⡾⠟⠉⠙⠾⠽⠯⣄⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⡀ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣮⣿⣿⢋⣼⡿⣣⣮⠟⣵⣽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⣷⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠿⢿⣿⣧⣶⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣖⡀⠚⠛⠛⠛⠓⠒⠀⠀⠧⢦⣻⣿⣿⣿⣷⠄ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⣿⣿⣿⢣⣶⣏⣿⡿⢁⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⢟⣣⡽⠿⠛⠛⣉⣉⡁⠘⣻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡬⣟⣿⣿⣶⣶⣦⣤⣀⡀⠈⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣆ ⠀⠀⠀⢠⣽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⠡⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢿⣿⣿⣿⣯⡶⠙⢁⢠⣰⣾⠿⠙⠋⠁⣠⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣕⠻⢿⣙⠿⠿⠿⣿⣿⣿⣦⡌⡻⣿⣿⣿⣆ ⠀⠀⢠⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠇⢿⣿⣿⡿⠋⣠⠖⡛⠛⢉⣤⣶⣟⣴⢾⡏⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡷⣤⣀⣀⣀⣤⣿⣿⣿⣿⣟⠓⠈⢿⣿⣿⡆ ⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡏⢸⠟⣵⠗⠀⠞⠁⢋⣄⣾⣾⣿⣿⡿⣣⠟⠀⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⣍⡙⠫⢶⡦⠻⣿⣟⡀ ⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣇⠀⣰⠏⣠⠆⡠⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⢋⡴⢋⣤⡾⠹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⡀⠙⢧⠹⣿⣇ ⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⣰⢣⠞⣡⢊⣿⣿⣿⠿⢋⣡⣴⣫⣴⣿⣿⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣿⠿⠿⠟⢛⣛⣋⣉⠉⢩⣭⣭⣭⡉⠉⣉⡁⠀⠈⢧⠐⢿ ⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⠖⣲⣵⠀⢀⡺⣱⡿⣿⣿⣶⣼⢾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠻⠟⠛⢩⣥⣴⣦⣆⠀⢿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠈⣿⣿⣿⣷⠀⠻⣿⣧⠀⠸⡆⠈⡆ ⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣩⣽⡏⠀⣸⣿⡯⢃⣿⣿⡯⢁⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠟⠋⢩⣤⣶⣿⣆⠈⢿⣿⣿⣿⡄⠘⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿⡇⢸⣿⣿⠀⠀⣷⠰⡇ ⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⡇⣿⣿⡇⣼⣿⠿⠁⢾⣿⣿⣿⡿⠙⢁⣤⣶⣆⠈⠺⣿⣿⣷⣆⠈⢿⣿⣿⣷⠀⢹⣿⣿⣿⡆⠈⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⣿⣿⠃⠀⢨⣿⡇ ⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⣿⣧⢄⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠁⣘⣿⣿⠟⣈⣄⠘⠿⣿⣿⣿⣂⠀⠹⣿⣿⣿⣆⠘⣿⣿⣿⣇⠈⠿⠙⢋⣁⠀⣩⣤⣠⣆⡀⣤⣍⠀⠀⢸⣿⡇ ⠀⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠛⣿⣿⠸⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠀⣿⠏⢡⣾⣿⣿⣂⠈⢛⣿⣿⣷⣆⠀⢻⣿⣿⣿⠆⠙⢋⣩⣄⠄⢰⣿⣿⣿⡀⢨⣿⣿⣿⡇⣾⡏⠀⠀⢸⣿ ⠀⢹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡏⣻⣿⣿⣿⣆⢻⣿⢀⠿⣿⡟⣿⣇⠀⣠⣶⡄⠙⢿⣿⣿⣧⠀⠹⢿⣿⣿⡄⠀⠋⣉⣤⣶⡄⢿⣿⣿⣿⡀⣿⣿⣿⡇⢸⣿⣿⣿⢻⡿⠀⠀⠀⢸⡟ ⠀⠈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠘⣟⣸⣸⣿⠀⢻⣯⡄⠹⣿⣿⣆⠀⠙⣿⣿⣧⡀⠙⠋⣁⣤⡄⠘⣻⣿⣿⣷⠸⣿⣿⣿⣇⢸⣿⣿⣷⠈⣿⣿⡿⠘⠁⣴⠀⠀⢼⠃ ⠀⠀⠸⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⢸⣷⢻⣿⣿⡆⢹⣼⣇⢿⣇⠈⢿⣶⡀⠹⣿⣿⣧⡀⠘⠟⠋⣠⡀⠸⣿⣿⣷⡀⢹⣿⣿⣿⡆⢿⣿⣿⣿⠈⣿⣿⡟⢠⣽⣿⠆⢀⣼⣿⢃⣾⠍ ⠀⠀⠀⢻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡷⠈⣿⡆⢿⣿⣧⠀⠀⠻⠌⠿⣥⣌⠻⣷⡄⠙⢿⠟⠃⡀⠀⢾⣿⣿⡄⠹⣿⣿⣧⠈⣿⣿⣿⣷⠸⣿⣿⣿⡇⢹⢿⠇⠘⠉⣀⣤⣾⣿⣷⣿⡟ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⢻⣿⣿⣿⡏⣿⣧⠘⣯⣌⢻⣿⣧⠀⠱⣶⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⡀⠀⠾⣿⣆⠈⢿⣿⣯⣄⠹⣿⣿⡆⢹⣿⣿⡿⠀⣿⡿⠟⠃⠈⣀⣤⢶⠻⢙⣼⣿⣿⣿⠟ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⢿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣿⣧⡐⣿⣆⠹⡻⣥⡀⠘⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⣄⡈⠘⠂⠈⢿⣿⣿⣆⠹⣿⣿⠈⠟⠛⠋⠀⣀⣠⣴⡦⠿⠛⠈⣤⣾⣿⣿⡋⠻⠏ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠺⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⣾⣿⣷⣌⠺⡿⣦⡀⠙⠽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣦⣄⡈⠉⠉⣁⣀⣀⣤⣤⣶⣶⠿⠟⠛⠉⠀⠀⢀⣠⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢿⣿⡿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡬⡛⢿⣶⡄⡈⠙⠹⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣟⣙⣛⣉⣩⠀⠀⣀⣀⣤⣴⣠⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠃ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠻⠇⠹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⣝⡲⢵⣟⡻⣧⣶⣤⣈⣉⠛⠹⠿⢻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⣿⣷⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠃⣻⣿⣿⡛⠁ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⣮⣭⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣴⣶⣶⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⣿⠿⠋ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠟⠁ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠙⠻⠟⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⠟⠋⠁ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠙⠛⠻⠿⠻⣿⣿⣿⡿⣿⣿⣿⣦⠀⠉⠉⠙⠛⠛⠛⠋⠉⠁ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠉
>>1041164 what supporters lmao
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>>1041257 the fuuuuuuuuuuck
>>1041257 Christcuckery not even once
>>1041257 >mfw I see their skin color Why are wh*te people like this?
>>1041274 this is almost as cringe as praying to the military for a coup, almost
>>1041257 This is why democracy is bad.
>>1041324 Every passing day i rest more assured that the Purges were right.
>>1041443 Neither the Moscow Trials nor the coming La Paz Trials were showtrials by any means. They were guilty in both cases of conspiracy and right wing thought.
>>1041464 go to bed, Grover Furr
>>1041464 >Implying show trials are bad These people need to be punished exemplarly, better if with this absolute gem as the soundtrack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxr0KHEwAPk&feature=youtu.be
>>1041475 We need gulags with Coco Characteristics
https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1321176511710375936 NEW: Evo Morales will return to Bolivia on November 9th, the day after Luis Arce is sworn in as President. He'll then arrive to the Trópico of Cochabamba on the 11th, where he'll be BASED.
>>1042250 Kek, wonder if that's deliberate.
>>1041257 White latinos are truly some of the most cucked, deranged freaks on the planet. Like Americans but somehow even worse.
>>1041257 You will literally see the same shit if Biden wins. Q freaks praying for Blumpf to do a coup to defeat the anarchist communist muslim Demonrats. It's going to be great.
>>1042250 best news of the day
https://www.ipas.org/news/legal-abortion-access-greatly-expanded-in-bolivia/ >In response to political pressure and protests against some provisions of the newly enacted penal code, Bolivian President Evo Morales repealed the code in its entirety on Jan. 21, 2018—including the abortion provisions, even though they were not the subject of protests. A renewed effort to revise the code is expected, and Ipas Bolivia will be working alongside our partners to continue the fight for legal abortion access. Evo Cathcuckoles
>>1042417 Late stage Evo was a bipartisan cuck which is why it's good Arce is in power, not him
>>1041173 Kek glow mad
>>1042417 >gives in to christcuck demands >gets couped by them Bolivian Cultural Revolution soon hopefully
So where do the social movements go now that they launched MAS into power? a bunch of them were very critical during the Morales presidency, do they have the leverage to push MAS even further left to not just reestablish the status-quo-ante, but entrench it and attempt to make the regime coup proof? Might they end up overthrowing MAS in the future and going even further left?
>>1042250 Anyone who thinks Arce will step down and leave the presidency to Evo is a massive dumbass, at best he’s going to be a government advisor. Evo’s role in history is done
>>1042549 his role isn't done, he's going to go back to campaigning and organizing like when before he was president, he's smart enough I think not to make the movement rely on him as a single person.
>>1042547 >Might they end up overthrowing MAS in the future and going even further left? highly unlikely as MAS has only grown in support. i'd guess that most indigenous movements will wait for Arce's policies to be enacted and view the repercussions before looking to the future
>>1042568 This: he will go back to the Union and Linera will probably found a political school for Mas militants or something.
https://mobile.twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1321225354774749198 ARMY COLONEL SAYING GIBS OR COUP This is why they need to arm the people.
>>1043803 They are bluffing to avoid punishment for their treason. The last coup was shrouded in legal ambiguity and discontent from working class groups with Morales. If some retarded captain attempted a vulgar overthrow of the newly elected government it would mean civil war.
>>1043817 He's a colonel not a captain though.
>>1043853 so what, he's not a general
>>1043856 It's still part of the highest ranks though
>>1043856 there's colonel and junior officer's coups all the time
>>1042480 hopefully he wont sell out
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Remember the MAS senate president that the coup government deposed? Jesus Christ I didn't know she was, like, super hot. Here is an interview with her: https://jacobinmag.com/2020/10/mas-adriana-salvatierra-bolivia-luis-arce-morales
>>1044040 Apparently there are rumours that the previous coup was a junior officer one, and they threatened to shoot a general if he didn't go along with it.
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Apparently Orlando Gutierrez the leader of the miners union died ,info is quite scarce now, some say he was beaten up by golpistas https://www.paginasiete.bo/nacional/2020/10/28/fallece-el-secretario-ejecutivo-de-la-fstmb-orlando-gutierrez-273098.html
>>1044134 queen
>>1044223 was that that super-based guy in that one video from the initial coup? holy fuck, rest in power.
>>1044223 fuck, that's super fucked up. If this was foul play, things might pop off again. He seemed ultra based, here he is after the coup in november: https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1194133922378133505
>>1044223 I can't believe it. What a promising guy and now he's gone.
>>1044223 Fucking hero, RIP.
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RIP. The bastards that did this to him must pay.
rest in peace to our comrade
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>>1044470 The fascists must pay the highest price for this.
>>1044470 It also seems the miners are declaring to be in a state of emergency against the right wing. What will this imply?
>>1044276 link?
>>1044531 here >>1044292 >Restore democracy at dynamite point fucking hell, what a tragedy
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>>1041139 Fascists speedrunning Bolivia lmao
https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1321412088049344513 MAS LOWERS FROM 2/3 TO SIMPLE MAJORITY THE QUORUM FOR MILITARY/POLICE REFORMS Are they going full based?
>>1044223 >>1044470 What bastards. Rest in power
>>1044223 Acre needs to put these fascist bastards down
https://mobile.twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1321585483210760192 Garcia Linera in talks with Argentinan ministers related to how to start back lithium industrialization. They are fucking going fast. Good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAy4DwimIqs >Huge setback for US in Latin America
>>1045049 Kek, based. I'm frankly amazed that they didn't change the model to a unicameral system. Bicameral are overvalued and normally are used as instrument of the bourgueise.
>>1045407 revenge against them is bad optics. Setting them up, where they try to jump somebody and get chewed up while attacking, that is good optics. It creates deterrence against further attacks, cause nobody likes walking into a trap.
>>1044223 Kill every fascist across the world
https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1321582620430475264 they just took his coffin out of the hospital. Crying crowd, people shouting "justice"
This shit makes my blood boil. You can also tell it's fake af, like 90% mix of women and children for added effect calling for military to take control in Bolivia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15RGiZ2ch4g&ab_channel=NoticiasBolivia.
>>1045049 Close to, but I wouldn’t entirely say so. Cops are still cops, but I won’t dispute the fact that owing to the fact that MAS is in power, it’s certainly a step in the right direction.
>>1042309 Can't wait, it's gonna be great.
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Our boy Ollie out there dunking and shit
>>1048662 How do I reach these levels of based?
https://mobile.twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1321868706956365826 Fascist keep getting outnumbered and BTFO by spontaneous rallies. Is this what PEAK class consciousness is?
Creo que los anones que saben hablar español deberian suscribirse a este canal -->Orlando Gutierrez llego a Colquiri donde miles acudieron para darle el ultimo adios https://youtu.be/jhsCy2Q4tJ0 -->Orlando Gutierrez (leader of the miner union) arrived to Colquiri where thousands arrived to give him the last goodbye.
https://twitter.com/AmericaElige/status/1321997762691362816 >Bolivia: The Senate has approved a report on the massacres in Sacaba, Senkata, and Yacapaní last year, which recommends that interim President Jeanine Áñez (MDS, conservative) and 11 current and former ministers be put on trial for their role in the events. shitty source, anyone else able to confirm?
>>1050556 >12 people to process Yeah I'm saying based
https://mobile.twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1322325075832508419 Pro coup forces are growing, I'm getting more and more worried
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>>1053993 Yep me too, it seems that since the assassination of Orlando Gutiérrez, the fascists and far-right groups are emboldened and multiply rallies and calls to coup the elected Arce government before they take office. I hope the indigenous social movements and especially the Unions that partly brought back MAS to power will be able to counteract them.
>>1054074 Unions have already declared full mobiliziation, but without guns is useless.
On a more optimistic tone, i'm seeing that neoliberal sectors as of today are not joining the second coup charade and that fascists tactics are literally 70% lashing out against working class people, thereby reinforcing non fash support by contrast. Chance for the unions to BTFO them as of today stays high, still the situation requires MAXIMUM attention
International Brigades when?
>>1054094 They do have guns tho lol.
>>1054094 who needs guns when you have DYNAMITE
Organized Members of Camachos movement attack people with stones and fireworks https://mobile.twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1322543825030680582
>Bolivian paramilitary leader Fabián Bascopé has been arrested while smashing cars & carrying explosives. He's a member of the pro-coup 'Resistencia Juvenil Cochala' who endorsed Carlos Mesa at the last election. https://mobile.twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1322548813828149248
ideally this fash spergout can be used as a pretext to liquidate the lot of em, without getting the libs all up in arms too
>>1014678 to trigger the poltards obviously
>>1053993 >>1054074 like we didn't allready see that coming...
>>1055831 Not in the tens of thousand. They should have something like la Milicia Bolivariana.
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>Bolivian mineworkers warn the US government against intervening once again in their country. #Bolivia
>>1056505 Their morale and discipline is high as fuck, so in a scenario in which liberal bourgeoisie does not support the coup they really could BTFO fash paramilitary
US DENIES VISA TO ANEZ AND 350 FAR RIGHT ASSOCIATES https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1322859024795099137?s=20 My theory: Arce has already struck a secret deal with the Us with something like "We get 35/40% of the revenue BUT you let us purge the fascists"
>>1056529 >>1056505 ngl there's a a temptation in me to learn both Spanish and whatever indigenous languages needed to move there and participate in that struggle plus write about it in English. This is such an enviable position considering how on the back foot organized labor and socialist agitation is in the US.
>>1014964 Really based, I hope this works out!
>>1058105 more likely: Anez and her associates simply have lost all value for US imperial interests. CIA analyst probably did their calculations and came to the conclusion that they had nothing to gain from letting them in. If Mesa tried to leave the country it would probably be another story.
>>1042296 Nah, other Latines can be just as cucked and deranged. Especially when they think they're white and superior for having some European ancestors.
>>1048662 For the record, as a Brit I love his accent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbZ3Sis6bXU >Survivors of Bolivia coup massacre cry out for justice - A Grayzone original documentary
>>1060139 >Latines Frankly, I like that term more than latinx. Fuck gringos.
>>1054074 It seems the left is majority, why worry. Just arm the people.
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<The President of Bolivia's Senate has formally invited President @NicolasMaduro to the swearing-in ceremony of President-elect Luis Arce. The outgoing coup regime has invited Juan Guaido. LOL
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<We briefly spoke with a new senator from Bolivia's Movement Toward Socialism (MAS) party, union leader Leonardo Loza. <He stressed the importance of anti-imperialism, and called on the U.S. to "stop using force and power to oppress other peoples and take their natural resources".
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<Iván Rojas was the chief of Bolivia's police & he led the political persecution of leftists during this year of the coup. Now he's facing criminal charges himself and broke down in tears during an interview today. LOL
>>1090264 public execution, god willing.
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>>1093588 Fuck it, just purge and crackdown these fash motherfuckers. This is getting fucking crazy. What's the holdup?
>>1064038 it's an actual gender neutral term in spanish as well iirc idk why people in the US made up latinx just use latine
Pro coup fascist right mobilizing in Bolivia rn. 3 days to go to the official proclamation of a new government. Neoliberal right is standing down at the moment.
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>>1032256 iirc they also kept the Political Instrument for the Sovereignty of the People name, which used to be a splinter of the Socialist Phalangist Party lead by this guy. Evo caught heat from some leftists for the move.
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Unfortunately, it seems the situation is escalating in Bolivia.
>>1098232 >mortars how do these work? are they just glorified potato cannons?
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>>1098232 They have just a few hours to stop Mas from taking office though.
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>>1105136 It's interesting to note that these far-right groups are upper-class people who have never worked in their life. Parasites.
>>1108002 Now eyes on him to see if he'll deliver
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>>1108271 The urge to purge is fucking real
Can anybody explain exactly where the coup supporters came from? It's idealism to say that bolivians suddenly changed their mind about morales because of a regime change, is it not? What material conditions can explain the sudden boost of support for the new regime despite morales being very popular?
>>1108414 Reactionaries gonna reaction regardless of country or popular support of the leaders.
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>>1108425 Based for the solidarity. Lol because the party in the flag does not exist in Italy since 6/7 years at least.
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>>1108414 IIRC, support for Morales had been descending a bit since he wanted to run for another term and there was some discontent related to, I think, some infrastructure projects. But in the end the coup did not have any popular support, except maybe in the Santa Cruz department, and the MAS even got an even larger percentage of the votes than they have gotten in recent elections. If anything, I think this shows that the material conditions were largely unchanged and the coupists basically underestimated the popular support that the MAS has and, perhaps more importantly, the power of the social movements who, even if they weren't 100% pro-Morales, were 100 % anti-coup.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1325543833673797634 Evo and Alvaro Garcia Linera returning together. Name a more iconic duo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0D8tHvEfx0 >FTS 8:30 09-11: MAS-IPSP supporters await Evo’s arrival
>>1056505 Can I get YT or Twitter link for this?
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>>1112946 >they just leave guaidog's frame on the floor dangerously BASED
Photos of Evo's caravan https://archive.is/VQNuF
Any word on if they're prosecute officials from the coup government for the multiple massacres carried out?
>>1122106 Seems like they won’t just cuck out. Good. They deserve worst for what they did https://twitter.com/jamie_agust/status/1325924816306778113?s=21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G0C6DsiYH4 >Evo Morales return to Tunari
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>Evo Morales has called for a Latin American social movement congress in Cochabamba, 17th-19th of December. The purpose will be to launch an international indigenous organization & promote regional integration on the basis of plurinationalism and anti-capitalism. INDIBOL
https://mobile.twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1327328927136755712 " IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING "POPULIST" OR "PROGRESSIVE", IF YOU'RE NOT ANTI IMPERIALIST YOU'RE NOT REVOLUTIONARY " Evo getting even more based it seems
>>1131147 coups can be a bit of a redpill, if you survive them. hope he goes justinian II on their assas
>>1131147 He tried to play nice Not needed anymore
>>1058105 Protesters surrounded Anez's neighbourhood, not house, but the entire fucking neighbourhood, so she had nothing to do. Only a Grenada level operation could've saved her at this point, and Bolivia is a landlocked country. She never had a chance and anything else would just unnecessary aggrieve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AWTYGZnkvk >As Trump rejects US election, Biden signals continued regime change abroad
Is WSWS right? Is Arce just a neoliberal in disguise?
>>1016209 English is my first language however I have always heard regime as to refer to dictatorships or oligarchies. Possibly because I am a burger and our govt calls any third world country they cant imperialize a "totalitarian dictatorial yada yada bla bla bla regime"
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>>1133878 Well, remember that the WSWS, while making quality articles most of the times, is also an ultra sectarian trot sect and any party or org who is not the SEP is per definition "neoliberal" or "stalinist".
TOP BOLIVIAN GENERAL REMOVED AND SUBSTITUTED BY ARCE Yes I'm saying based https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1328364630683639813
https://twitter.com/kawsachunnews/status/1328364630683639813 > Right-wing factions that were loyal to the US-backed coup have been removed. Holy fucking BASED. Purged and gulags when?
South America becoming the center of revolution would be the most based thing in existence, because unlike all previous communist powers, it could actually walk up to the US's front door.
>>1143875 Since zapatistas uprising I am convincede that only a mixutre of indegeneous latin americans traditions and marxism can save us
>>1143885 Based. Zapatismo is pragmstic socialism with syncretic characteristics. I for one am a subscriber of the sixth declaration of the lacandon jungle.
>>1143864 >Uh.. hello???
>>1143885 Zapatismo could be good for Central American people but every people must find its way
>>1140578 >>1143864 Real shit, keep it up
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<Rolando 'Flaco' Borda is one of Bolivia's top union leaders. He was forced into hiding after the coup, for being a MAS supporter. His union's offices in Santa Cruz were seized by the far-right. <Today he returned to his comrades and took back his offices. <He's the leader of COD-Santa Cruz. The confederation of all workers unions in Santa Cruz, the industrial centre of Bolivia
>>1156027 >Taking back union office <In fucking Santa Cruz Fascists BTFO eternally
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>>1143864 Military purge when?


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