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/SEA/ - Southeast Asia General /SEA/ - Southeast Asia General 10/18/2020 (Sun) 15:47:36 No. 1012123
Volume 4: Finally some actual riots edition Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Elections, open orgs, jungle NPA or just random shit. There’r still dozens of us! Kiwis are welcome! South Asia can joined too I guess. Last threads http://archive.is/0NhJH http://archive.is/nDq1K https://archive.vn/cxwty
Edited last time by Comet on 10/18/2020 (Sun) 17:21:56.
Critical support for /SEA/ anons against the dengoid menace.
>>1012123 On Indonesia: Are they continuing to fight? How is the situation? As of now i'm saying they're hella based. On Thailand: As of now i hope libs and monarchists massacre each other creating a void for socialists to exploit like it happened in the midst of 1917 in Russia. Still waiting for how this stuff evolves though.
>>1012138 bourgeoisie revolution always procide socialist ones
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make him proud
I have questions: >Tldr on events leading up to protests in thailand right now? >What's the reddit tier narrative and why is it obviously wrong? >Who is /ourguy/? >What's the realpolitik angle on this? Does China support the monarchy and if so, are they using thailand as a bargaining chip or are they really that cucked?
>>1013240 Guy in pinned thread said this so I'm samefagging to paste it >>1013179 >China is allied with them principally to have more expendable trade routes (their ambition is to go around Singapore), same reason as to why China is pushing for infrastructure on Myanmar (and why they're pressing Turkmenistan to join Bri)
Can somebody meme these bad boys back into existence?
>>1013298 *Nudge*
>dozens of dudes on a Turkish kebab forum pissed off the monarchy so much that glowies from all imperialists start DDoS’ing the site Fucking thin skinned bastards. >>1013298 The fact that the hammer & sickle is tilted really fucks with my eyes. Seriously who the hell the designed that atrocity?
Lol, China just lend their 50 cent army to thai government. Currently, They're generate shot on twitter thai trending section since someone just find out that hongkong polices and twitter accounts from hongkong are tweeting the contents and tags which mean to support thai government act against anti gov protestors. This was happened just 4 days after some PRC minister visited bangkok.
I don't think that last (or continuing?) DDOS was made by Chinese glowies since I don't think that any Chinese official would be interested in shutting down an English speaking Albanian survivalist forum. Probably Thai glowniggérs (or some thin skinned rich kid) bought some Chinese botnet and just try to shut down any website mentioning these protests.
>>1014852 This is clearly made with PRC’s support (servers, paid bot services,...) but not their direct involvement. The Thai glow NIA is possibly the perpetrator as they have a history to lashing out against anything and anyone critical of the military and their monarch puppet.
>>1012142 >unironically thinking Thailand is feudal
>>1015073 It is kinda hybrid of feudal-capitalism.
>>1015077 Having a monarchy doesn't mean they are feudal. Monarchy and capitalism can co-exist.
>>1015117 Thailand currently is in the same political situation as Imperial Japan in the 30s. A hyper capitalist system where the monarchy has succeeded in transitioning themselves into full-fledged capitalists, held together with an overwhelmingly influential military that is funded by both national and international capitalists and use the king as only a religious and ceremonial figure. The biggest difference is that they never got the chance to get their national capital to the stage of development as the zaibatsus or the chaebols in Japan or South Korea, so they’re very dependent economically to their masters. O-Cha fucked up when he tried to change his allegiance to China just when the US needed their position as a US foothold the most.
>>1015073 >>1015077 >>1015117 Thailand is still at a level of development where liberalism is still a progressive force
>>1015242 thai ladyboy anime when
>>1015405 They’re liberal anon, neoliberal that is. Most of their stuff are privatized. The state after the 2014 coup is effectively broken up into the military monopoly and their subjects. The military acts unlike a big corporation than an actual state. Pinochet is still a liberal because it’s mostly based on their economic policies rather than social or a pretense of democracy. >>1015420 I don’t get this meme. Thai transsexual community face just as much discrimination as anywhere else. They’re just more popular and even that is debatable under the current dictatorship.
>>1017205 what I meant to say is that liberal democracy is still a progressive force considering Thiland's level of development, not neoliberalism.
>>1017691 Maybe but from a person that has entirely rejected the concept of a liberal democracy as anything other than a bourgeois dictatorship that can go fascist at a flip of the switch, Thailand is still very liberal in the classical sense of the world. The term liberal is not meant for the social liberation or the superstructure that arose in the French Revolution, but the liberation of MoP ownership into private hands.
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>>1017934 The bourgeoisie revolution generally proccides a proletarian revolution, Thailand has not hand a bourgeoisie revolution yet
>Thai protesters use social media to organize <the government can’t shut it down because it would further weaken their pandemic stricken economy Truly the bourgeoisie will sell us the ropes to hang them with. >>1021563 Nor had any Indochinese countries, yet here we are.
>>1021563 bruh capitalism has been imposed from the outside in the third world for the past hundred years. i doubt marx would have even called the February Revolution a "bourgeois" one, it only lasted less than a year and did nothing to accumulate the proletariat in that case
>>1021672 Some would argue that the imposition of capitalism is also a form of bourgeois revolution, just like the spreading of revolutionary activities from socialist countries in the 20th century. Therefore I think it’s damn stupid for socialist countries to have reservations in interfering to support other socialist movement and socialist in one country was nothing but idealist gate keeping that partly put the Soviet Union behind politically right after ww2. This is also why think opposing “social imperialism” or even having such a concept to compare a higher form of spreading socialism as a more advanced mode of production is a rightist, social chauvinist deviation of Marxist-Leninism. Mautists can suck it.
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How's it going over in Indonesia? Is the labor protest a sizzle or a fizzle?
Say what you will about Jamus but at least he triggered the unions so hard.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
>>1023090 why is their a mcdonald sin every country
>>1023090 We got that dogshite in malls for decades now bruh. They constanly get bankrupt due to losing to streetfoods. By this point the only people cared about them are children below 15. There's a perk in having good food instead of mushy trash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEf4JnHACLs
>>1023297 Based
https://twitter.com/_lordinenuovo/status/1319233512717910019 Indonesian workers singing the Internationale
>>1028767 HOLY MOTHER OF BASED
>>1028767 Finally some actual reds in the protest, based. Also noting there’s only like 2 dudes singing because of how long such a leftist song hasn’t been sung. At least there’s still people keeping the flame alive amidst the blackest reaction. A red Indonesia is the only way this region will rid itself of imperialism.
>>1029613 Considering that ML is illegal in the country even that few dozens of people are a HUGE signal
>>1029780 What alternate symbols should communists use if the hammer & sickle is banned?
>>1029871 Depends on the culture of the place, they could do like Dsa that have a different art for each chapter
>>1029871 Raised fist! FFS How difficult can this be? Raise your fucking fist.
>>1030150 Or a plain red flag
>>1029871 red star, if that is also banned use a lit torch
Meh,Look like blood is spilling in Thailand soon after that yesterday happened.
>>1030650 >blood is spilling in Thailand Source? I can't find anything.
WHO SUPPORTS THE THAILAND PROTESTS? Here are some infos which I've gathered together: There are very few prominent marxists who declared their support of the Thailand protests. Beside Vijay Prashad and Taimur Rahman, I've found nobody who openly supports the movement. It actually seems, that many marxists/leftists hesitate to side with the protest movement. There is a statement which was signed by 35 leftist groups from all over the world: https://thinkleft.net/2020/10/15/solidarity-with-the-people-of-thailand-for-democracy/ Interestingly, the Thailand protests are also being supported by taiwanese netizens and Joshua Wong, leader of the HK protests (Milk Tea Alliance).
If this current protesting's success it may lead to SEA spring since laotian zoomers who saw the current protest in thailand started questioning CPL by generating tag "If Laos politic is good" on twitter that pissed CPL off that they declared everyone who generate this tag may receive execution as the highest punishment. Meanwhile, Cambodia leader of opposition Som Rangsi endorsed this protesting. China isn't going to like it if Hunsen gets kicked out since they are ready to create military base in some cambodian island in the gulf of thailand. Sorry for my bad english
>>1030724 that is just lip service. why the hell would I care what anti-chinese taiwanese and hk shitters have to say
>>1030771 It’s quite good though. You’re from Laos? Som Rangsi is a far right ethno nationalist piece of shit. Hun Sen might be corrupt but he did the right thing banning the fucker. The dude probably only help China as long as the money continues to flow but I doubt it’s some actual alliances with China. A possibility of a Laotian counterrevolution is really slim because they’re the true buffer zone between Vietnam and the PRC’s interest in the region so both will intervene if any kind of US backed opposition arises. Over here the training of Laotian military and police is an annual activity as well as the whole affair with fighting Hmong leftover contras and Laos monarchists. >>1030724 Mostly just lip service as the other anon said. The American DoS even tried to force him to shut up about it because they’re not liking the quick radicalization of the Thai protests and they’re still waiting for Prayut to rethink about his allegiance.
>>1030807 #ຖ້າການເມືອງລາວດີ
>>1030807 Protests are radicalizing? Post proof please. As of now i see Indonesian workers striking chanting the Internationale, while i see Thai youth striking making pop culture references not even close to socialism. Still i have no interest for preserving the monarch and i'm seeing more than one Asian Marxist in favor of the protests.
>>1030773 >>1030807 >just lip service I see, good to hear!
https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1319971909006622720 Redfish supports Thailand protests and interviewed this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giles_Ji_Ungpakorn (He's a trot and trot are notorious for bad geopolitics yet is bio on Wiki makes what he says seem fully genuine)
>>1031440 This guy is a dumbass that only supports the protests for being against the monarchy though. Even the Hunger-games-fanboys is better than that for wanting social democracy.
>>1031452 Tell me more. I only know of this nobody via Wiki.
How much of Indonesia is this kind of cucked /pol/tards? >>1036122
>>1036407 Indonesia is very cucked after the PKI got purged.
Jesus fuck has Malaysia stopped even pretending to try and stop the pandemic? What the hell is going on?
When Vietnamese people are taught about the war are americans a totally unhuman and evil other or are people like hippies and anti-war protesters mentioned like "their were some sensible americans who tried to stop their evil war hungry government"?
>>1039865 Somewhere in the middle. Since we actually managed to reunite the country, there’s a lot less bitterness towards the war and the US than for example the DPRK. The war is officially considered an idiotic and unnecessary war that shouldn’t have happened at all. Much of the hatred and scorn is on the gusano puppets that betrayed and gave up the country’s independence for imperialist gibbs.
>>1037829 I was shocked when I heard they didn’t plan to lockdown between states.
>>1037829 >What the hell is going on? Fuckery going on at the political arena and useless politicians. The current PM Muhyiddin wanted to declare a state of emergency because of covid but people here rightly see through him and see it as him trying to consolidate power. The Agong rejected Muhyiddin's request. There's some leading up to the covid situation getting worse with election and campaigning in Sabah and telling people to go VOOT. I tell you what though, i'm staying inside.
How did Vietnam and Laos survive Soviet bloc collapse when all others except Cuba didn't?
>>1041006 The DPRK also survived. Once the USSR went down it was inevitable that all the states between them and the Western bloc would fall as well, whereas the more isolated ML states weren't as economically dependent on the Soviets.
>>1041006 One word: forced liberalization It’s basically became inevitable once both China and most of SEA became the enemy of Vietnam after the occupation of Kampuchea and the Soviet Union under Gorb was being retarded assholes. But in some way, it also led to the party survival as well. Most of the liberals and reactionaries fled to China in the invasion in 1979 so we didn’t have our own Pizzahut guy. Plus Linh was a pretty damn competent reformer.
How the hell will SEA combat future climate disaster? If looking at predictions most of our region would be uninhabitable by the next 20 years.
>>1046341 Yea I am planning to commit suicide
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l-lol...?
>>1048036 Once again showing Twitter being absolute cancer filled with either libs or retard conservatives. It’s a loss cause. Especially how they only ban leftists or target of imperialism there. Rightists get their account back so easily.
>>1048036 Man things went from 0 to 100 real fast...
>>1048052 Well this particular guy here is the former prime minister of malaysia. I haven't been following the attack in France but man what a mess. This shit is gonna split people up and make muslims and non-muslims at each other's throats.
>>1048036 this is pretty weak, go and report the second post as hateful conduct and it will be gone if it wasn't a blue check mark the account would be suspended link it and i'll show you
>>1048121 Here's the tweet if you want to see it. https://twitter.com/chedetofficial/status/1321765592433520641 I don't have a twitter account and I just wanted to show it off because Mahathir said something crazy.
>Papa Xi is i agree at protesting in thailand https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1204212.shtml Behind-scenes funding of Thailand protests show invisible Western hands
>>1050897 I think its weird. Isn't the king already friendly towards the US? Why should the instigate a color revolution in a country, which is already their ally?
>>1051158 What a clown world when Najib is the goddamn hero for once
>>1051045 Yes. the king has always been good with the west, Some yankee anons here are just so arrogant they like to think everything is the work of there government. Why do you guys think the old red shirts havn't come out for this one? I havn't had a chance to sit down with any yet and really talk about it properly but one think i keep hearing is that it is good that it is students because the military will be less likely to shoot on them, for obvious historical reasons.
>>1051158 Lol. >>1051045 The king is nothing but a weak puppet of the military. They specifically chose him for being the most incompetent idiot in the Thai royal family. The key figures is the Prayut military clique that support him. They started out using the US’s support to oust the first corrupt sucdem government in 2014, but as the time go by O-cha started to be more on China’s side because of the “free gibbs” and cheap weapon contracts. Something that greatly pissed of the US since Thailand have been buying US hardware for decades before that. Most of this protest is a shadow game between the US and China for geopolitical routes and weapon contracts to fuel the two countries ever expanding military industrial complex. The reason the protesters hasn’t been violent yet is because the US only used them as a threatening gesture to put the Thai military dictatorship back in line, not to entirely overthrow them.
>>1051188 >The king is nothing but a weak puppet of the military. They specifically chose him for being the most incompetent idiot in the Thai royal family. So is he basically a puppet who gets a fat paycheck which he uses to party while the military does the politicking in his name?
>>1051215 Sorta like the old hag and her cronies in Buckingham or any modern day “monarchs” really.
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aight, who made this?
>>1058995 I mean it’s partly true though. Most English speaking Indonesians and Filipinos are super cringe religious nuts that act just as toxic as a bolsonaro drone.
>>1058995 Actually accurate tbh. >Singapore not inside Bruh...
>>1060092 Singapore is not a real country though. It started as a way for the Bongs to control the traffic through the SEA without giving it to any independence movement and LKY just used it as a chance to make it into his personal fiefdom.
>>1060106 Not wrong but rather over-generalizing.
>>1060125 What would be the most nuanced take on the existence of Singapore and Singaporean nationalism?
>>1060805 That anon is right in that Singapore is not a real country, in so much as it is a separatist state created against the Malaysian Federation. But the impetus for merger and/or separation is less to do with LKY and Bongs, but more about the ideological conflict (that is informed by the racial makeup) of Singapore and Malaysia. Put it simply, Malaysians wanted politics to be oriented around racial lines while Singaporeans were more down for racial egalitarian. The socialists in Singapore did advocate for assimilation or at least adoption of Malayan culture (Malay instead of English was considered to be our lingua franca) while rejecting merger because the racial politics and also for fear of giving UMNO more weight in crushing them. Singapore nationalism (if there is any) wasn't borne out of some love for Temasek, or even the whims of Bongs and LKY, it is simply a defense mechanism of the non-Malays here to keep apart from Malaysia and their racialized state/politics.
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>>1058995 You forgot this
Welp. Even with all the riots and shit the labor unions still cucked out and Jokowi still put the Omnibus shit into law. Fucking hell is Indonesia cucked to the core.
>>1066602 You mentioned that some of the youth are still somewhat in support of Sukarno and his pre-coup government. How do they react to this shit? Or are they just as ambivalent because they’re too disconnected with normal working class people? On another note, how does people even stay or become leftists in Indonesia where even the thought of a color red triggered almost everybody?
>>1066120 >>1066602 Man, why did the labour unions pussyed out?
>Another day, another bailout for the decaying corpse of petronas Jesus just let it die already. >>1067657 That’s what labor unions do really. Unless it’s a fanfic like Kaiserreich, there’s little to no way a union can do to the capitalist establishment aside from some passive reforms to push off some weight from the workers in the short term. When met with armed oppression from a state that is made to push around labor unions like the Reagan and Thatcher neoliberal administrations. The fold quickly.
>>1066740 >You mentioned that some of the youth are still somewhat in support of Sukarno and his pre-coup government. That's way more fucking complicated than you think. Sukarno is THE universally praised figure among Indonesian public, yet the religious population has made it publicly controversial again to bring up the CIA orchestrated Communist Party massacres in the 60s. We lost the enthusiasm we had during the overthrowing of Suharto. The Sukarno administration is worshiped and the Suharto administration is vilified, yet we are ambivalent to Marxism. Sukarno's failure in building the economy of Indonesia and Suharto's purge of any form of Marxist thought really ruined the image of Marxism. In short, even though sukarno is universally liked, the youth don't have much faith in marxism, its a failure. >How do they react to this shit? Deeply angry, confused, desperate, maybe the same as whatever you feel like right now. Nobody expected something this bad would happen. Massive protests all over the nation did nothing and the government has been becoming less transparent, we have a communal feeling that democracy is dead. The omnibus bill is hated by virtually everyone save for the diehard jokowi supporters. I think we have pretty much disillusioned with the promises of the lesser evil party we chose and the promises of becoming a bigger part in the international economy. We can't understand why everyone is reluctant to do business in our country. We know neither the western hegemony or the eastern hegemony cares about is. We used to trust China in helping the development of our nation, but lately all they have been doing are plunging our country deeper into foreign debt and bringing more of their own workers here instead of hiring our people. We don't understand how our education system became so shit that we can't compete with the foreign countries. We don't understand why we don't have a single political party that wants to bring actual, fundamental change. It's getting bleaker everyday in my opinion. >On another note, how does people even stay or become leftists in Indonesia where even the thought of a color red triggered almost everybody? Not quite really. Most of the learned youth don't have much opinion on marxism and want a very economically socialist version of social democracy instead. The upper middle class diehard Jokowi supporters have little support for socialist programs. The islamic conservative youths just straight up despise any kind of marxist symbol, they've been indoctrinated since birth that marxism is an oppression of religious freedom. Anyone outside this group think they're literally retarded.
>>1077789 >the board still use the god awful cloudfare Fucking hell when is Space gonna upgrade this shithole? Great post comrade. This is also why I’m so curious to how Sukarnoism is still surviving and it turns out it is just as terrible as the third positionist path of Argentina that led the country down a path of complete alienation from socialism (albeit without Sukarno going full fash like Peron did). The curious thing that is see in all countries where the pro-imperialist dictatorship is overthrown by the “democratic liberal” new establishment is that the fascists never truly went away and stayed as the guard dog for the liberals to use every time the proletariat try to organize. Chile until recently still used the same constitution made by Pinochet. South Korean and Japanese politics still have the same military dictatorships running everything behind the scenes. And the “new order” of Suharto is still a constant shadow over Indonesia with the same fascist paramilitary gangs that massacres the PKI going free as “heroes”. The democracy after Suharto in many ways has always been a sham with most economic policies of the country remained unchanged. >I think we have pretty much disillusioned with the promises of the lesser evil party we chose and the promises of becoming a bigger part in the international economy. If that’s ever a real possibility, neoliberalism would’ve been phased out a long time ago. “Lesser evil” voting is a dead end. On the other hand “being a bigger part in the global economy” either mean Indonesia get completely subsumed by other imperialists with the liberals like Jokowi or Indonesia become a bigger imperialist than it already is now under the fascist-aligned conservatives. Seriously the only way out is with socialism even if it is banned. >We used to trust China in helping the development of our nation, but lately all they have been doing are plunging our country deeper into foreign debt and bringing more of their own workers here instead of hiring our people. They tried to pull the same gay neocolonialist shit over here ever since 1975. They’ve been nothing but a lower stage imperialist than the west and that’s a sad truth with the return of capitalism in China. Sometimes I think that the only way for any country to develop is being a pawn to imperialist against an actual socialist country (like Europe and Japan did) which they’ll drop you like a broken toy once you’ve outlived your usefulness or through socialism. Global capitalism has truly reached its end stage and any room for development has ended for most of the developing world. I truly admire you guys for even trying to keep a flame of social democracy in such a hell hole where I would be a complete doomer in such a bleak world. >The islamic conservative youths just straight up despise any kind of marxist symbol, they've been indoctrinated since birth that marxism is an oppression of religious freedom. This kind of religious doublethink is also extremely common here in evangelicals and catholics. They are anti-communist because it curtailed their “religious freedom” but at the same time they attack everyone for not following the same sky god as them. The liberal brainworms truly runs deep in reactionaries.
>>1078427 >The curious thing that is see in all countries where the pro-imperialist dictatorship is overthrown by the “democratic liberal” new establishment is that the fascists never truly went away and stayed as the guard dog for the liberals to use every time the proletariat try to organize The first two presidents after Suharto tried to clean the mess though. They tried to dismantle the military powers from the legislative and completely reform it. Their presidency didn't last long, as you would expect. They were met with heavy opposition from the ruling parties, and the military even threatened to stage a coup. Reformation efforts practically died in 2001 and the same old parties have ruled without any substantial dissenting voice against them ever since. >I truly admire you guys for even trying to keep a flame of social democracy in such a hell hole where I would be a complete doomer in such a bleak world. Fuck that, I'd migrate to europe if I had the money to do it, kek. All the political parties, big and small, are owned by either the New Order remnants, the imperialist cocksuckers, or the rich mass media owning conglomerates. It's checkmate.
>>1079029 >Reformation efforts practically died in 2001 and the same old parties have ruled without any substantial dissenting voice against them ever since. >europe if I had the money to do it, kek. All the political parties, big and small, are owned by either the New Order remnants, the imperialist cocksuckers, or the rich mass media owning conglomerates. Pretty much the same thing for every “liberal democracies” in the world. It’s fucking sucks and I hate how Maoism and Soviet revisionism have poisoned the well so hard that leftists never tried the old ML strategy of just organizing abroad amongst intelligentsia first to build a first layer of leadership before going back for agitation. It’s either go into the woods and fuck about like the NPA or the Naxalites. Or try desperately for electoralism which happened to the PKI and we both know what’s the logical conclusion to that is. The biggest issue is that most leftists today can’t keep their mouth shut and only go abroad when they’re political exiles which is just unproductive. The other is that the imperial cores have copied this strategy over the decade of the Cold War to apply it to themselves for neoliberal regime change. >I'd migrate to europe if I had the money to do it, kek. That’s the whole point though. The people who leaves as proles will have the will to go back and agitate while the rich that leaves will always revert either into hard right fascism or radlib uselessness, a tool for imperialists and nothing else.
>>1048036 Based.
>still billions sinking into the zombie corpse of Petronas for no reason >1mdb hasn’t even got resolved yet >do nothing to contain the pandemic <huh duh pumping billions more into porkie will surely fix this!!! What the hell is wrong with these people?
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Interesting
any of you guys ever smoke Thuoc Lao?
>>1099848 Do th THai protestors have an opinion on the Israel?
>>1099383 What would you prefer them to do?
>>1099848 For some reason Vietnam also have huge military contracts with Israel. Most of our modern small arms are based on their tech. Even though they got caught spying here multiple times. >>1099863 Tried it once. Toxic as hell. But watching tourist getting fucked up on it is funny.
>duterte cuck out to the US <one month later >duterte go back to cuck to China <one week later >duterte invite US in to suck them off Is this guy the king of flip flops or something? His foreign policy is an absolute madhouse of constant contradictions. Even Belarus have more consistency in dealing with Russia and the EU.
Any fellow Anakbayan members on here? Anakbayan Silicon Valley Representing here. We're planning on putting out a lot of Agitprop after November 30th and thought I could get your opinions on some stuff. https://open.spotify.com/track/18vPk6lJuLnit6uHjI1O2E?si=DPviVpoET0KEb8lix6swyA (oust Duterte song that was produced by some kasamas in the bay area) We're planning on putting out some videos regarding an intro to AB as well as a general overview of Class conflict. Any criticisms and suggestions is welcome to us by yall.
>>1122180 >Anakbayan Man I haven’t heard of you guys for a long long time. Any new developments this year?
>>1123602 I can't speak for Anakbayan PH, since im based out in the US. We're just continuing our Oust Duterte campaign, protesting outside the consulates during Peoples SONA. In regards to my specific chapter I wrote a statement regarding the US election and how it relates back to the Philippines which we should be pushing out today. We're also getting ready for N30 so that should get you up to speed. I'm sure AB Philippines has way more updates regarding the campaign against Duterte
>>1123730 What does the US chapter have regarding policy changes compared to the Duterte admin? The Filipinos I see here are usually very supportive of the guy. Even when his direction is wholly contradictory at times. Is that different from the western diaspora?
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>>1124911 we're in favor of Genuine land reform, taking away land from the landlords and big comprador bourgeois, as well as mechanization of agriculture and building the industrial forces in the PH. We're also against his liberalization of the Economy. I'd say the filipino community is split almost evenly in the western diaspora in terms of their support for Duterte. But even within the people against Duterte you have your run of the mill conservatives who don't like his alliances with China, and the other half dont like his drug war campaign and the passing of the Anti Terror Law. Hope that answers your question. If not let me know what specific points you want me to address and I'd be happy to tell you. Also here's the statement that we posted last night in case anyone is interested in reading: https://www.instagram.com/p/CHen2Nagbsg/
>>1126567 Also just wanted to add on: In terms of solidarity work with the rest of SEA, is there any Indonesian orgs that we could work with? Doesn't matter if its US or in the homefront, we'd like to help prop against the neoliberal reforms in solidarity with y'all. Our Social investigation class analysis tells us that Indonesia is right there in terms of rev potential and we'd like to help prop up and link with someone and also possibly help provide political education too depending on where the masses are at
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Uh-huh oh
Lads, will the average Singaporean ever realise that construction workers, janitors, cleaners, maids, and so on are socially valuable and deserve dignified wages, instead of having them farmed out to debt peons paid next to nothing? And that financiers, C-suites, startup jocks etc are mostly a pack of petty con men who should rot in prison?
>>1129336 Call Jamus a succdem all you want but at least people are starting to talk about the poor more and more because of him and his minimum wage shit. >lads Bruh, I ain’t one of those decolonization crowd but that was kinda cringe bro. No one says lads here.
>>1129273 Lmao. That looks so hilarious I refuse to believe it’s real. >>1129336 The Singaporean society has such a hard on for academic achievements it’s honestly alarming even in the perspective of East Asian countries. They somehow even ignore the fact that most of that qualifications all need capital and inheritance to get. Sure you can get on top “by the bootstrap” but that’s still never as easy as your parents paying for your Harvard degree. Sure it used to exist a meritocracy but that never lasts over a generation under capitalism.
>>1129926 >but that’s still never as easy as your parents paying for your Harvard degree. tbf most of hyper-elitist people I know usually are some middle to upper-middle class people who get scholarships instead of their parents paying for them. The latter are more self-aware.
>>1130042 The worst of survivor bias at work. Most of the fuckers I know who “made it” are extremely reactionary even more than the privileged people who usually turn out to be liberals. Fun fact about western scholarships, it’s given by NGOs like candy over here and China. They usually slyly choose the most anti-communist of students to give it to as well.
>>1130180 Nah I meant like internal scholarships. Singapore's government gives a lot of them here. But usually the people chosen have very meticulous path planned out for them to walk. Very terrifying when you think about it.
>>1129336 I think that they won't realize and if they do, they don't want to recognize.
>>1130291 >But usually the people chosen have very meticulous path planned out for them to walk. That’s mostly the point of scholarships if done to its final conclusion. Getting them requires you to align yourself with the politics of the people who give them out. Otherwise you’ll get kicked out or sued to bankruptcy.
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>>1129273 Who is the other guy? Looks like a monarch.
>>1129273 Wow it's like an embassy or something
>>1131974 It is Xi Jinping :^)
>>1131967 Replace alunya with deng cat and you’re good.
For all the libertarians, you are nothing more than nihilist lumpen!
Anyone still have updates on the protests last night in Bangkok? >>1137501 >libertarians What? I only see on the thread socdem anons and MLs. Also, with the total failure of the Indonesian left to even take a stand, can you blame them for being doomers?
>>1146392 Is there even an Indonesian left anymore?
>>1147462 The labor unions and sukarnoid welfare folks are kind of left I guess.
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>>1147630 Is it really though?
>>1148584 >>1147630 Forget about +62. It's not worth of your time. SEA were cucked & doomed from the beginning.
>>1147462 >>1147630 >>1148584 >>1151207 There should be chaos in SEA. Catastrophe, tsunami, earthquake, the more the merrier. We're all nothing more than cattle waiting for the shepherd to exterminate us.
>>1151222 More like a heard of sheep jumping from a cliff. Speaking of which, how do you guys spend time in quarantine over there?
>>1151222 Tone down your doomerism please. Our time has not come yet. >>1151335 Being miserable. East Malaysia dropped the ball, so post-Cov19 recovery slowed down.
>>1151385 I don’t think the economy in most of SEA will ever recover from this. Even with the huge packets of aids to big businesses. Sad that this won’t lead to much revolutionary change though.
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>Indonesia protests cucked themselves to death and Jokowi got what he wanted >Thai protests devolved into performative bullshit and non-action Why do I ever think that anything would change?
>>1160208 It is inevitable without any organization and theory.
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What do you lot know about the Golden Triangle? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Triangle_(Southeast_Asia)
>>1168244 The disaster that is Myanmar today mostly stems from Ne Win Ceausescu-tier retardation. The first few years were going pretty okay but with slow progress due to them trying to be isolated from even the rest of the socialist sphere and the Maoist sphere. Then they started to return to take advice from the world bank, train their military with the US (extremely retarded considering the socialist council only took power using the military) and took up so much loans it bankrupt the country. The retardation of trying to make the currency divisible by 9 which make most savings useless was the final straw. The later fragmentation of the multiple military cliques created the modern incarnation of the Golden Triangle.
>>1148584 Kinda. The thing with most of the western posters here is that they think that the left here (in its current form at least) will ever be similar to them. It is way more complicated. While it is true that Sukarno is very left-leaning with his ideas, he is also religious. In fact most of the prominent leftist intellectuals here are either Islamists or believe in Islam as another tool for liberation. Our national symbol, the Pancasila, enshrines both social justice and religiosity. This kind of thing only happens in third world countries.
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Hey comrades. I'm the ex-LLCO guy who wrote those walls of text on the CPI (Maoist) and CPP-NPA which get shared around sometimes. I've got a few questions - both regarding history and contemporary conditions which hopefully comrades here can help me with. 1. Regarding Cambodia, I've heard there is rising nostalgia for ANGKOR & the Khmer rouge around social-nationalist types. How significant is this nostalgia? Are we talking thousands of people, or handfuls of pety-bourgeois lefty intellectuals? 2. Are there any real socialist groups in modern Cambodia at all? If so, what is their internal/deep political position on the Khmer Rouge? 3. Regarding the Philippines, which faction is currently in control in the leadership since the Sisonites were sidelined & the Tiamzons went into exile? Are some of the more militant statements coming out of the party proof that Oris & gang have a greater deal of control or are they just a show of desperation? Also, is the current anti-china push proof that the Dengists have been sidelined or removed? 4. Why does the CPP-NPA-NDF continue to repeat the rumor that 70% of filipinos are supposedly peasants when that hasn't been true since the 1960's? ie, close to 60% of the population are now urban, 50% are employed in the service economy. In the past I've personally criticized Sison & Mid level NDF people on this, presented evidence to the contrary and I'm usually met with some kind of non-excuse or silence. Is there a strategic reason for promoting this myth or are the party just totally detached? I'm really confused as to why this is still going on. 5. To what degree were the various communists parties coordinating during the Vietnam war era? If Mao hadn't fucked around, how far did the red tsunami/domino strategy go geographically? >Pic related to last question The reason SEA doesn't have nice things
>>1168244 gangster HK movies comes from there.
>>1173279 >To what degree were the various communists parties coordinating during the Vietnam war era? If Mao hadn't fucked around, how far did the red tsunami/domino strategy go geographically? The regional cooperation fell apart quite quickly even during the fight against the French. Lai Tek, a Vietnamese defector turned French glowie has fully infiltrated and sabotage every attempt of friendship between the Malayan and Indochinese communist movements. With the post-ww2 era have the Malayan decimated. The Burmese on the other hand was gripped not only by the concept of “socialism in one country” but also a sense of false nationalism (they’re called the Union of Burma for a reason) that pushed them into third postionism which weaken them tremendously, the Siamese and Indian workers completely alienated in the country they have lived in for decades. The three Indonchinese fair no better. The influence of Stalin era buffer zone ideology still lies heavy in the minds of all three parties. So our cooperation after 1954 was much more lax than before. It was because of this belief in the separate building to socialism that Vietnam didn’t even notice the rising nationalist reactionary elements rising inside of the Kampuchean communist that stuck behind or even try to fight against Sihanouk’s oppression of them. We just gave him a pass because he allowed the HCM trail to go through Cambodia without resistance. We were dealt a bad hand. But it’s also apart of our faults. >I've heard there is rising nostalgia for ANGKOR & the Khmer rouge around social-nationalist types. How significant is this nostalgia? Are we talking thousands of people, or handfuls of pety-bourgeois lefty intellectuals? There’s a lot of it. Especially in the anti-Vietnamese sentiments. These were quickly spurred from not only the irredentist claims of Kampuchea Krom or Lower Kampuchea (which is now the Vietnamese region of the Mekong southern delta) but also the rampant propaganda after the occupation. They’re still now supported by the CNRP - a now banned US backed party comprises of gusano liberals that used to support Lon Nol and far right ex-KR members. Their supporters are pretty widespread however they’re now weaken due to entire party being banned and prosecuted under treason. >there’s any communist in Cambodia? A small section of the CPP is still communist however they’re still very irrelevant in the larger political picture.
What's Laos like?
>>1173279 Dumb burger here, Regarding point 4, can you point me to some sources that you use? I googled myself and it led me to statista and I just wanna know if its the same sources you use or you have more evidence.
>>1173279 > Why does the CPP-NPA-NDF continue to repeat the rumor that 70% of filipinos are supposedly peasants when that hasn't been true since the 1960's? Are they doing anything based on that rumor though?
>>1174997 He probably made that number up on the go. Because even the numbers from the WB have most of the Filipino population in the rural area (about 52% of the total population). It’s very urbanized sure (mostly to quarantine people from communist influences), but saying that most people there are city folk is ridiculous.
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>>1175089 Modern census data shows that about 47% are urban, so it looks like I was wrong, yeah. This is weird, because I seem to remember quite strongly reading around 2015 that it was around 49% with a growth rate of just under 1% per year. I thought I knew this because I did a shit ton of research for an article, so either the data I was using was wrong or I'm totally misremembering. In which case, my bad. That being said, even if not quite as drastic as I'd believed, 47% of their population being Urban totally discredits the claim that 70% of the country are peasants unless somebody can point to the existence of massive rice paddies in the slums of Manilla.
>>1176071 What were the answers that JOMA would give you when you criticized him? Off the top of my head I think the number of 70% comes from that the peasantry would constantly move from the rural to the urban and back due to lack of harvest, work, or inability to pay rent and this would contribute to a miscalculation on the census data as they'd be counted as urbanized but still be from the peasantry
>>1176249 This is pretty much the answer yeah. The rural population in the Philippines are in a constant state of flux due to them usually try to move out and find seasonal jobs in the city. But because they’re still tied to their family in the countryside I guess that’s the method which the CPP use to get those numbers. The CPP still has their problems that is they’re very entrenched with the purist revolutionary ideology of Maoism. Of which on a purely strategic level, doesn’t work well anymore with the current methods of anti-communist warfare where they turn the cities into impregnable fortresses to keep out communists. As much as Maoists want to believe it, the core of any socialist movements will never be the peasantry alone, but the combined might of the urban industrialized workers and the industrialized wage earners in agriculture. Without it, they’ll be fighting a never ending battle of insignificance. The US has formulated the urban strategy perfectly to combat Maoist tactics. There’s a reason why the Viet Cong were so successful, they actually use multiple ways of waging a guerrilla war from urban infiltration to rural organizing.

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