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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 12:39:50 No. 8925
A general thread for all China related discussion
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>>529636 >Currently a higher share of the population has healthcare in China than in the US. No they don't "have healthcare", China has primarily an employer-based health insurance model for most of their citizens where the employer is obliged to cover about 70% of the cost. I've read their Health China 2030 plan (健康中国2030) and they are still pushing for the bullshit Japanese employer-based multi-payer model, the bourgeoisie in charge of China have no interest in single-payer. In Taiwan citizens get full, unconditional health insurance regardless of their employment status. >Why? So that the US can Solidarnosc China as well? Are you retarded? Have you learned nothing? https://jacobinmag.com/2019/07/vietnam-workers-rights-international-labour-organisation http://www.industriall-union.org/vietnamese-union-welcome-new-labour-code https://asiatimes.com/2019/12/vietnams-workers-finally-lose-their-chains/ >They are legal, webm related. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasic_Incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_New_Left#Related_movements_and_incidents >That was kind of random. We don't know the reason, really. >and no way they are not already considering cybernetics, since it's the only viable solution for a socialist economy. Your buttbuddy hundred-millionaire (if not billionaire) Xi Jinping just announced on state media China must not return to a planned economy. Censoring Paul Cockshott's works was not "random," the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie of China is satisfied with their "socialist market economy" (aka capitalism) arrangement, which Deng himself said was modeled after the Singaporean political economy. >Also, note the tone of the users. They know they will be getting shit, because they have been demanding improvements >blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2013/10/03/talk-of-inheritance-tax-sparks-debate-in-china/ Yes they've been demanding an inheritance tax for several years and there hasn't been a peep from the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie of China. I can guarantee you they will sooner legalise fag marriage (to appease rich lesbian daughters of Chinese tycoons) before they ever implement an inheritance tax like almost all of their neighbours already have. >There's no way you could flaunt your wealth as a CPC official and not get fucked for it https://qz.com/1435036/rich-chinese-millennials-flaunt-wealth-in-falling-stars-meme/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-10-01/children-of-the-yuan-percent-everyone-hates-china-s-rich-kids https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/23/chinas-rich-post-photos-lying-face-surrounded-luxury-goods-flaunt/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/chinese-business-political-elite-flaunt-their-success-with-mistresses/article4619766/ https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/25/world/asia/chinas-elite-learn-to-flaunt-it-while-the-new-landless-weep.html https://qz.com/72953/chinas-super-rich-flaunt-their-wealth-online-leaving-a-bitter-taste/ http://www.chinahush.com/2011/06/28/rich-girl-flaunting-wealth-on-microblog-triggers-crisis-of-confidence-in-china-red-cross/ https://www.businessinsider.com/xhso-meimei-china-flaunting-wealth-2011-12 https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/chinese-rich-kids-go-on-the-rampage-1.2595099 https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/asia/china-richest-man-dog-iphones/index.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chinas-newly-rich-are-flaunting-wealth--and-giving-communist-rulers-a-headache/2011/08/05/gIQA801KMJ_story.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3586677/Rich-Kids-China-flaunt-bling-private-jet-trips-online.html https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1947333/chinese-buyers-property-canada-and-us-must-stop-flaunting https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/13/world/americas/canada-vancouver-chinese-immigrant-wealth.html https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/22/chinas-rich-kids-head-west https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1173695/meet-the-rich-kids-of-china-socialites-splash-thousands-on-designer-goods-and-luxury-trips-abroad-before-posting-enviable-snaps-online/ http://www.china.org.cn/business/2013-02/16/content_27967707.htm https://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-new-money-tuhao-chinese-criticized-having-money-lacking-taste-1429306 https://jalopnik.com/inside-the-secret-chinese-supercar-subculture-of-southe-1662640952 https://piximus.net/others/rich-kids-of-china-flaunt-their-wealth-in-front-of-the-world-on-instagram https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2015/01/16/nearly-75-of-chinese-women-want-their-mate-to-earn-double-their-salary-survey/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/12/survey-suggests-china-may-be-most-materialistic-country-world/356199/ https://www.ibtimes.com/china-confirmed-most-materialistic-country-world-even-luxury-spending-slumps-lowest-1512018 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8714097/China-tries-to-stop-women-marrying-for-money-rather-than-love.html https://medium.com/@TehEmile/chinas-ultra-materialism-explained-781a7e63b75e https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/exm5me/popping-bottles-with-chinas-super-wealthy-youth-104 https://www.quora.com/Are-Chinese-people-materialistic-If-so-why https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/22/china-nation-cold-hearts >just to return a few day from now to post about "Dengists" and defend the HK lynchers against tankies. Nice strawman, I couldn't care less about the protestors in Hong Kong, those fuckers are just as arrogant as the rich elite in Shanghai. Hong Kong has extreme income inequality unlike Taiwan.
>>516400 excellent vid. I believe that if socialism will be achieved anywhere, it is china. Yes, I am a pessimist
>>529834 >massive source dump >has nothing to do with the topic >>>/pol/
>>529854 Then keep living in your fantasy that the offspring of the rich elite from China (Gini index 46.5) don't flaunt their wealth that they worked so hard to "earn" in the """socialist market economy"""
>>529745 >This is just plain wrong. Riches countries did not have state directed economies and the countries that are bridging the gap dont have either. Pure delusion. WTF? All advanced capitalist countries, and especially the ones that caught up had heavy government involvement in planning industrial development. 19th century USA: protectionism Imperial Germany: state directed industry Pre WWII Japan: state directed industry Post war Japan: more state directed industry Worst Korea post WWII: state directed industry Check out Ha-Joon Chang's work (attached), or watch this talk (from 4:45 onwards https://invidious.ggc-project.de/watch?v=wlXbnuS6adc) > You'd think America would suffer the most from Corona but it really has taken a lighter blow than most countries out there. ???? It's performance is abysmal given it's relative wealth.
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>>529848 >I believe that if socialism will be achieved anywhere, it is china. North Korea already has some form of a state socialist economy (unlike China) but due to economic sanctions it has greatly hindered their progress. Their legal system, rural working conditions and excessive cult of personality are terrible, but they seem to be gradually getting better (Jong-un is a little more humane than Jong-il, who was a little more humane than Il-sung, based on changes in their legal system and ending the kidnapping of foreigners). Both North Korea and China have been materially improving over the past two decades with the latter at a much faster rate, but China has made a deal with the devil by sacrificing socialism (and introducing all the expected ills of capitalism) and ending up with a wealth inequality even worse than Taiwan.
China shuts down WeChat social media account claiming ‘US making dead bodies into hamburgers’ Nationalist groups and opportunistic businesses have latched onto the souring ties, exploiting social media to spread lies and push anti-US messages, experts said. “The US has been processing dead bodies from Covid-19 diseases into hamburgers,” was one of the last postings on Zhidao Xuegong – literally the Scholar Forum for Ultimate Truth – which had millions of followers on China’s Facebook-like social media platform WeChat before it was shut down on Sunday. In an article published earlier this month entitled “Nearly Dead: the Sinking of the US”, the author Mr. Cloud claimed that Covid-19 may have already killed one million people in the US and the dead bodies “were very likely of being processed into frozen meat, fake beef or pork, or processed into cooked meat as hamburgers and hot dogs”. “Cannibalism has existed in the US before … and only a few dozen years ago, Americans ate blacks, Indians and Chinese,” the author continued. The article had at least 100,000 readers, with 753 giving money to support the account. The account was closed for fabricating facts, stoking xenophobia and misleading the public, according to a statement from WeChat. https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3086073/china-shuts-down-wechat-social-media-account-claiming-us
>>529834 >No they don't "have healthcare", China has primarily an employer-based health insurance model for most of their citizens where the employer is obliged to cover about 70% of the cost. That's a lot. Insurance rates for citizens must be much lower than with single payer.
>>530597 dem chinks really hate FREEDOM of speech huh
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>>531744 >he fills my lower intestine with his love Maoggers
What are some sources on the Uyghur re-education camps? Is it true that only extremists are sent there? I don't know where to begin on this subject and when I try searching for info all I get is BBC articles and shit.
BDS China!
Daily reminder that a bunch of hardcore maoist teenagers literally ATE landlords and intellectuals in Guangxi province during the Cultural Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre
Socialism means popular control of the economy. Popular control of the economy means a democratic government runs the economy. China's government is not democratic. Therefore China is not socialist.
>>532006 You sure it's not a spooky porky tale? There's fucking radio free asia in the sources.
>>532032 >Popular control of the economy means a democratic government runs the economy. source
>>532038 I honestly think it's based AF
>>532067 How else could the people control the economy?
>>532006 That sounds fake as shit.
Uighur genocide.
>>532484 is based.
>>532506 Exposed. >interlocutor gets red in the face and turns off computer.
>>532594 Like voosh did with that libertarian
>>532640 Mapin is Dengoid, anon.
>>532484 genocide is when you give people education and jobs and the higher employment is the worse the genocide
>>532195 through the communist party
>>532823 but how would policy be determined?
>>532847 representative democracy through the party
>>530735 well, akshualy, freedom of speech includes inciting racist lynchings!
and would there be restrictions on speech and policy proposals within the party?
>>532484 is a story invented by the USA to split China it's the modern "holodomor"
>>533205 If you missed the Vaush v. Caleb debate, the former joust reiterated Biden's "muh weeghurs" point several times.
>>533214 who's Vaush?
>>533215 Better you don't know. Nobody important.
>>533215 It's a delicious vegetable. Good fried, better simmered.
>>527809 lol what the fuck, has anyone got a link to the source video for this?
https://twitter.com/dylanleviking/status/1264631386251517952 A thread on the 工业党, or "industrial party", that might be of interest. They represent an economic viewpoint that is neither capitalist or socialist, according to Western definitions.
>>527835 That end scene lmao
>>533214 Caleb should have honestly gone after Vaush for supporting Biden, since he was a huge China shill. You just don't debate in good faith with ppl like Vaush.
>>532484 There are more Wiggers now than ever before. Some genocide!
>>528801 >So are the lynchings. Looks like they're learning from their idols.
>>533214 >I say with full and 100% confidence that the United States of America is more of a proletarian state than China is. Holy shit Vaush is a fucking idiot. I can't watch any more of this.
>>528801 >1:04 >Old lady wering a mask in the eyes instead of the mouth. >Holding a crux. Is she a Karen?
>>533534 Karen knows no national or cultural boundaries, truly she is an internationalist.
>>533501 >I say with full and 100% confidence that the United States of America is more of a proletarian state than China is. Before the pandemic I would've agreed with Vaush that the US barely wins out primarily because of the higher real wages and slightly better work culture on average. Now with over 36M Americans unemployed and the "essential workers" forced to work without PPE, hazard pay, etc. I think you can make the case that China at this moment, if they're not lying about their virus cases, has better conditions on average for its workers.

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