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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list Anonymous Board volunteer 07/05/2020 (Sun) 20:23:05 No. 668788
🚨🚨READ THIS FIRST BEFORE POSTING🚨🚨 Visual Guide for New Anons https://bunkerchan.xyz/.media/e7c5eab9a4fa215d646e6c8aaee497ef-imagepng.png Do not put your e-mail in the e-mail field First, Please read this OP. Since we're leftists, there shouldn't be many differences ideologically, but our community has its own jargon and idiosyncrasies which might be jarring to outsiders. Second, although we allow slurs, we are anti-bigotry and it will not be tolerated. Thirdly, the board has an anti-idpol rule. Meaning that discussion of idpol topics is not allowed. There is some flexibility. Where that flexibility is also requires some time to get the feel of it. Fourthly, don't put anything in the name, or email fields. Don't doxx yourself Search the catalog before starting a new thread to avoid duplicates: https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/catalog.html If you wish to see the log of mod actions see https://bunkerchan.xyz/logs.js?boardUri=leftypol Useful threads are often remade when expired, search the catalog if these links are broken. Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread >>719970 Market Watch >>8552 Internet General >>637502 Original Creations (Memes) >>419177 Leftypol Minecraft server >>>/games/880 (IP: Bunkerchan.aternos.me it's cracked, so anyone can join without paying for minecraft) Region specific threads USA >>531727 China >>8925 British >>648706 DPRK >>9051 Brazil >>18835 Latina >>483387 Nordic >>290791 Hungarian >>117378 Russian >>652142 SEA >>705255 Italia >>747462 Germany >>698135 Australia >>537472 Leftybooru - To upload, tag, and organize images https://leftypics.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list Leftypedia - A wiki project https://leftypedia.org The unofficial /leftypol/ chess club https://www.chess.com/club/leftypol >>>/games/3544 Check out our other boards >>>/anime/ >>>/edu/ >>>/hobby/ >>>/games/ >>>/tech/ As well as our comrades over at /GET/ >>>/GET/ (funposting) >>>/ref/ (international discussion) Previous archived thread filled with reading material: >>8537
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>>725346 >>726025 He's the only one who actually abolished capitalist relations of production.
>>725346 He did his best
The place for mod feedback and complaints is >>>/gulag/ not this thread.
>>726032 untrue, mao did that as well in some villages during the cultural revolution
Anybody can recommend a history book about late Soviet Union? I'm interested in the period from late Brezhnev to maybe early Gorbachev.
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Some more reading charts
>>735039 I will make magnets if this
>>735039 >no post-left >no pomos >no stirner Pretty shit reading lists desu
>>735254 Fell free to make one and post it here.
>>668788 isn't there an archive of posts in here? If not, having one would be essential, as some posts have been full of interesting discussion, such as that of the hacktivism poster
>>735254 >stirner get out of here with that nihilist faggotry
>>736403 >stirner >nihilist What the fuck did he mean by this
>>736534 Stirner is a key figure in past and present nihilist thinking, anon.
will I become a liberal if I read bookchin im kind of scared that I will
>>737708 This is quite silly to be scared of reading a book. However you should probably read your classics before (see >>668814) reading him.
>>668788 Could we maybe add the Italian one to the list or region specific threads? >>19862
>>738690 Seconded
>>737708 If you're that scared that reading one guy that disagrees with you will completely change your views then you need to work out the inconsistencies in your present worldview so you can strengthen it. If you have a strong and supported base for your views then reading conflicting ideas will simply help you understand the other side and yourself rather than convert you.
>>737708 bookchin is fucking retarded if you've read any actual marxist theory. I can see how he'd be interesting to absolute normies just now dipping their toe in the water, but man... he's so bad dude lol.
>>>/tech/3840 Greenify the deserts programme
What would be good intro books if I want some lit on leftist history / to understand the left? I was recommended Capitalist Realism, but I didn't like it. It used too much pop culture references and citations of dense philosophers I don't have time to read (Zizek, Baidou, etc.). I want to know why leftists are anti-capitalist and what their positions are (maybe including brief overview of the tendencies too, you all define socialism differently!).
>>744719 oof, that was a bad recommendation for what you want. There are some typically recommended essays, like Why Socialism by Einstein, The Soul of Man Under Socialism by Oscar Wilde, the Communist Manifesto by Marx. I'd also recommend the Sixth Declaration of the Lacandon Jungle, if you speak spanish, the october of 1912 speech of Emiliano Zapata. Longer reading I'd say the Conquest of Bread by Piotr Kropotkin is an interesting read. tl;dr capitalism sucks and we live in a post-scarcity society since the 1900s. All suffering related to scarcity on earth is optional and a choice we take collectively every day. If you want to understand how this happens, you'd need to go deeper into theory, Capital Vol 1 at least, and other things like Ideology and State Apparatus, by Althusser, probably some Zizek even if you don't like him or his ideas, he has interesting ideas. Why leftists in general are anti-capitalist, depends on the leftist. I think most leftist have an "anti-bootlicker" (or in /pol/ terms "anti-cuck") sentiment. They understand that society is organized so that proles contribute more to society than they get back. Many have a general distrust to authority. Honestly the "different tendencies" is kind of a meme. The general aims are similar and differences are irrelevant until one actually comes into power. The biggest difference is how people organize, MLs tend to stale party politics, anarchists tend to be too disorganized to do shit. Doing shit is the most important and hardest part.
What are some good sources on the history of modern police, especially in the US? I want to class pill some normies who are being disillusioned by the current historical moment.
>>744626 Fuck ecology and fuck precaution programme
>>746497 no, fuck you retard, if you want to kill yourself just do it, don't try to drag everyone else with you
>>745549 >There are some typically recommended essays, like Why Socialism by Einstein, The Soul of Man Under Socialism by Oscar Wilde, the Communist Manifesto by Marx. Thanks for the advice on these. A follow-up question is - what book is recommended for learning about class conflict / the different types of worker and capitalist class? Is there some Marxist work that focuses on this more? The notion of the middle class is really confusing to me, but I've heard Marxists addresses that too in terms of owning land or something? It'd be great if it weren't 500 pages but I'll take any recommendation.
>>750271 first that springs to mind is Erik Olin Wright, but he's what's called an "analytical" marxist (meaning his MO is reconstructing marxian concepts and arguments using the tools of analytical philosophy and mainstream/"bourgeois" social science as opposed to dialectics), which means a lot of people on here will shit on him on mere principle. That said, he seems to be arguably the most well-regarded of the bunch from my own layman perspective
>>750271 I don't know if this will answer your questions but you can watch these Paul Cockshott videos on the different types of labour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVDkFMGxbX8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDIIQG7DjqE
>>750271 In my opinion, although I'm not that big brained or well read, trying to understand marxism and class conflict primarily by slicing society into many strata rather than the two main ones (bourg vs prole) is a red herring or a route that won't take you far. I understand marxism better by understanding the opposition not between the working class and the bourgeoisie, but the working class against capital. That clears up a lot of confusion. For this, I'd recommend "reading capital politically" (just skip the introduction chapter). You should also read wage labor and capital, and value price and profit first though. Some leftist feel resentment towards anyone who is richer than them (even if marginal). This is seen in middle class or people of college hate. And some hate poorer people, which they call lumpen. It's all retarded. Ignore these people.
>>751388 There are a few problems with this, first you have to understand the class interest of the different strata's the labour aristocracy will not necessarily show solidarity with the workers even though they are technically in the same class, there will be reactionary labour aristocrats that are social climbers that will try to sell out the workers movement, it's very important to explain this detail. Further more the class struggle is between workers and the capitalist class not capital itself, because that would be nonsensical since capital is inanimate objects. >Some leftist feel resentment towards anyone who is richer than them (even if marginal). That is a right wing talking point, thanks for outing yourself. The "рмс" labour aristocrats get a bad rap because they have betrayed working class movements more than once, because of careerist ambitions, again you have to understand this as limitation, be careful while organising, to avoid having a majority of these people impose their personal interests on your movement, because the careerists will stop at nothing to kick out workers and burn the political credibility of your movement for personal gain. >And some hate poorer people, which they call lumpen. To be fair here you have to point out that there's a legitimate aspect here lumpens don't hold strategical positions in production like workers, so there's limits to what lumpen can achieve, this is not born from hatred it's a strategical consideration.
>>474515 >>474634 >Arguments for Socialism (Cockshott) is on /leftypol/, but not libgen SOMEONE NEEDS TO UPLOAD THIS TO LIBGEN, IT'S A GEM FOR PROSELYTIZING TO NORMIES! https://libgen.is/search.php?req=cockshott+arguments+for+socialism TANS only works for proselytizing to spergy neolib-LARPers who have no problem biting straight into academic social science already!
>>752275 But aren't all Cockshott's writings free on his website?
>>752520 WTF you're right. http://paulcockshott.co.uk/media/books/argumentsasreleased.pdf Having it where most people will be looking is probably a good idea though. Also >Not using https for your website
>>751852 > it's very important to explain this detail. It's really not. There are reactionaries in every level of society. It's not a specifically useful piece of information. There are bigger threats to the integrity of leftist orgs than what you personally call "labor aristocracy". >because that would be nonsensical since capital is inanimate objects. that's your opinion, and a wrong one at that. I insist it is an inferior view. It doesn't account for a large part of the imposition of capital. >That is a right wing talking point fuck off. There's many "you can't be a socialist if you aren't dirt poor". If you don't understand why this is wrong, you are a brainlet. >lumpens don't hold strategical positions in production like workers, again, your opinion. I've organized with "lumpen" just fine. This isn't a thread to discuss so I won't respond to whatever you respond.
>>752718 >>Not using https for your website At first I was gonna say something about him being an old man, but then I remembered that his whole thing is computer science, which just makes it worse.
bunkerchan should have an anime board.
>>754457 We do, it just not at the top >>>anime
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>>754009 Computer Scientists don't necessarily know about cybersecurity, especially one that is an old man. I'll listen to him about COBOL, not about pen testing.
>>756685 >not about pen testing Do you think he skipped those classes just because the puns and innuendos would've been enough to derail the entire semester?
Holy shit >>>/anime/ has been added to the panel! how many weeks/months was it postponed? It was hilariously long. I legit worried about Space_'s well-being a couple of times
>>757033 He apparently had no personal computer for the past few months since his laptop died. He just bought a new desktop so logically this shouldn't happen again.
>>757094 I bet it will though.
>>757029 You realize pen testing is relatively new right? A boomer isnt going to know much about haxing if they're CS. Source: pen tester
>>757094 Oh okay. Yeah, I really hope so. >>757199 >You realize pen testing is relatively new right? It's actually not, it started 'for real' around the 60s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_test#History By his studies they surely had infosec at least as part of the curriculum, not to mention just the general history of the medium thereafter, with the ARPANET/internet winning over socialist networks, bank robberies becoming an online phenomena, hacker vigilantes, inter-state cyber-warfare, NSA mass-surveillance, and so on, leading up until today. Someone should recommend him the Let's Encrypt cert, it's know to be very easy to set up.
>>757480 > It's actually not, it started 'for real' around the 60s You're comparing apples to oranges. As a field where you can go to school to be a pen tester it's about 10-21 years old > Since 1999, CAE-CD colleges and universities have educated our nation's cyber first responders. The initial schools were expensive and non CC
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