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The Great Internet Purge Anonymous 06/30/2020 (Tue) 01:07:52 No. 653253
>Leaks showing collaboration between social media sites and law enforcement during protests >reddit banning "extremist" subs >Internet Archives being targeted for "copyright" infrigement >Feds trying to kill encryption >Twitch apparently censoring >Youtube targeting "extremist" youtube channels >Twitter doubling down on "fact checking" and censorship We have for a long time, been aware of most of these things, but it seems as though the Great Internet Purge has decisively begun. The bar for what is considered "extremism" has been progressively lowered over the past few years, and privacy rights/surveillance has. Anarchism, Socialism, and Communism are all being put into the same category as fascism and white supremacy now, as expected. Over the past few years, I have always been against censorship of the fascists online because I knew it would one day be applied to the left, and what is happening now is exactly that. The timing and context of these happenings make it almost totally apparent that this is all coordinated; covid also seems to be very convenient for them as well. This is a coup by the tech companies/establishment to censor any dissent online, specifically on platforms that occupy a huge space in public discourse. The only question that remains is the question of what is to be done. Should we simply find and promote alternative platforms, or start using TOR, dark web platforms, and/or other decentralized networks? Discuss. Also everybody needs to seriously reconsider their OPSEC or lack thereof. VPNs, proxies, and TOR should be allowed here honestly.
>>658549 >there are literally banned phrases on youtube my dude Yes, and they dont relate to anything you believe in or care about
>>658526 >the SJW line. so Petit bourgeoisies and labor aristocracy interests
>>658555 nice trips, but false. are you a sjw by chance?
>>658549 >we're not concerned about government censorship but rather censorship on major internet platforms Party conventions are private events, and the parties themselves are private coorporations. This why they dont have to have a vote over the nominees or respect the results of the primaries
>>658556 Okay, take BLM, where do you actually differe from an SJW? Would your view point be normal on a place like resetera? >>658559 No. What position that you hold is being censored, by any if these means?
>>658574 can't say "clown world" can't "all lives matter" inb4: "those are right wing do whistles!!!" just because they use those phrases in a certain way shouldn't mean that I can't use them in my own way. Also, "first they came for the Nazis, and I said nothing...." I realize this is ironic, but I think it's absolutely true that we need to work to protect free speech for everyone including Nazis because I am not down with social media corporations becoming the arbiters of what we're allowed to say online. This is an extremely slippery slope.
>>658597 Those phrases did originate with right-wingers though. Again, you are complaining about friendly fire
>>658603 >you are complaining about friendly fire You really think the social media corporations are our friends!?!? Also, isn't friendly fire worth complaining about? And no, actually, "clown world" was not originally a right-wing thing, it was appropriated by them, much like "kek".
>>658574 >Okay, take BLM, where do you actually differe from an SJW? Would your view point be normal on a place like resetera? I have no idea what "resetera" means. BLM and socialists have in common that they want police brutality stopped preferably yesterday. And the private prison complex in the US needs to go because it's "slavery-light". But that's where the commonalities end, BLM want more dark-skinned petit bourgoise business and more dark skinned labour aristocrats, and socialists don't care about this, because there's no gain if you switch out the skin tone in capitalist hierarchies, there's also no race-identity based trickle down economics, dark skinned labour aristocrats and petite bourgs won't give a flying fuck about workers that have the same skin-tone as them just like pale capitalists don't give a fuck about pale workers. The relative gains pale workers made in post WW2 era were the result of class-struggle and the racism was what limited the scope of those gains.
>>658617 >You really think the social media corporations are our friends!?!? You have remarkebly cozy relstionship with them for enemies. The clown world phrase did originate with right wingers, kek how ever is just a world of warcraft meme. You type it to write lol, this way the horde reads kek as lol.
>>658635 >But that's where the commonalities end, BLM want more dark-skinned petit bourgoise business and more dark skinned labour aristocrats, and socialists don't care about this You both share this talking point
>>658652 >The clown world phrase did originate with right wingers You are misinformed. Do some research.
>>653368 You seem to be a reddit refugee given the spacing, if i were you i would lurk more and naturalise yourself before assuming this place has tolerance of reddits residents
>>658652 >You have remarkebly cozy relstionship with them for enemies. you're fucking retarded
>>658635 resetera is a radlib gaming forum I believe. Just another consumerist hellhole probs.
>>654333 >unless it’s near blatant even then the jury's out on whether it still won't get recuperated. che guevara shirts would like a word, and i've no doubt guillotine fashion chic will come into play sooner or later
>>658574 >Okay, take BLM, where do you actually differe from an SJW? sjws want gibs for blacks and more female ceos, not racial and economic equality. you should know this if you're lurking this site, unless you are a /pol/ emigre in which case welcome and prepare to be breadpilled
>>658884 >not racial and economic equality Is this really what BLM wants? What exactly is their vision of "racial and economic equality". Is there more to it than reparations? Do they support a democratically planned economy?
>>658895 BLM doesn't want anything, it's a big tent that is doing it's best to avoid talking about any demands in fear of upsetting this or that group, and they will especially not talk about any sort of economic equality because that will spook the lib establishment. the only thing everybody can agree on is that cops must be demilitarised, and that's about it. most real leftists who protest under the BLM's logo will likely outright disagree on any other aims BLM mouthpieces will want to push, including that recruiting black cops somehow reduces cop violence, or that reparations will do anything besides offsetting the brutality of capitalism against the black working class for a year or two, or that economic justice is the same as economic equality which it absolutely isn't.
>>658895 >>658910 (me) btw the beauty of the BLM protests is that any bourgs who would try to control the movement are so far off mark with how grassroots it became, they won't be able to speak for it especially since the establishment has no intention of carrying out even the most basic demands of the crowd and mouthpieces will have a hard time trying to calm the population down as a result
>>658910 >economic justice is the same as economic equality which it absolutely isn't. Interesting. Care to elaborate?
>>658921 >mouthpieces will have a hard time trying to calm the population down as a result And in this unrest you see an opportunity for socialism in murica? Or is that a good thing more because it destabilizes murica and the liberal world order, opening the door for socialism elsewhere in the world? Or both?
>>658509 >>658537 this is retarded fukuyamism >communism is legal now so that means it can’t possibly change in the future! peak post-left arrogance
>>658943 Also r/chapotraphouse was just banned from reddit this week. This fact should end this debate.
>>658924 I don’t know why these retards are using “economic equality”. to me, communism means the abolition of exploitation. I’m guess that’s what they meant.
>>658924 economic justice (positive discrimination) = pay gibs to disadvantaged because of their disadvantage, aka reparations and things like that economic equality (no discrimination) = same opportunities for all regardless of wealth, aka structural changes to the system and public service investment that diminishes or outright removes the importance of personal wealth with regards to life and work opportunities >>658933 both to be honest. right now the protests are like a lump of clay ready to be molded, but this is the point where grassroots movements with good organisation and demands can begin to seize the initiative. people are protesting because they know the system has failed us, so there isn't a more perfect moment to present alternatives. elsewhere is the same deal, but it also stops american interventions into the politics of other governments at least for a time. if the american government turned inwards for a time to focus on its own internal problems, it would do the world a whole lot of good, but also the american working class needs to seize this moment for itself because all people's deserve to be liberated.
>>658954 >I don’t know why these retards are using “economic equality”. i'm just talking about transitional demands, which exist more for reasons of strategy than anything else. we all know even economic equality is absolutely unpalatable to porky given how offended he was by even milquetoast social democracy
There is gonna be a serious economic crisis and the ruling class knows it. There was going to be one anyway but with COVID-19 it has accelerated and the real ramifications, especially the collapse of the export sector, in, for example, the car industry, will probably be felt in a few months and there is even fear of a second wave, at which point they might not even given a shit anymore. Sorry buddy, your grandma has to die for "the economy." So they're pre-emptively curbing platforms where people might read about alternative systems, CTH was a pretty big sub and it drew in harmless young Sanders voters who then got exposed to actual Marxism and communism, you can go on r/Sandersforpresident and pretty much talk about communism and Marxism openly and they listen. I saw many Liberation News article on that sub (the newspaper of the PSL) and they all got upvoted and people were agreeing with it. Plus, with all those state interventions, the way that the neoliberal government can suddenly spend trillions on the economy like it's no biggie ruptered neoliberal hegemony. People see how big businesses are bailed out but they can't even get 100 bucks extra on unemployment benefits. The protests after the death of George Floyd probably were the final straw, and they decided to take action.
>>653280 >>653286 >communists do not conceal their goals. t. Marx
>>653253 Imagine using the internet to LARP over a revolution which won't happen for decades.
>>658985 I don't know if there will be an ensuing revolution, but the collapse of the liberal world order is nigh.
Quickly browsed the normie subs like r/politics and r/worldnews about this and they're have zero self-awareness. They just gloat that the MAGA subs got banned, but that the biggest leftist sub also got purged? Crickets. They even cry for more censodership against "Russian and Chinese disinformation" - why do these people exist?
>>659032 >why do these people exist? Propaganda.
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>>658992 That, probably. But I dont know what that will entail.
>>659054 "Lul ur both dum chegmayt" -Plato
>>659032 >why do these people exist? Ultimately glowblack king bots and accounts exist to set the discourse via artificially created “support” and disinformation blitz
>>659081 "lel no u" -Aristotle
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>>659079 it will entail fascism.
>>655145 They already banned Varg
>>653577 um chapo started years after /leftypol/ did. we were the "dirtbag left" before it was cool!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSjrYWPxsG8 >Youtube Takes Down CHESS PODCAST for Being HARMFUL or DANGEROUS Seems youtube's purge will be automated w/ ai
>>659032 >They even cry for more censodership against "Russian and Chinese disinformation" - why do these people exist? <implying they're not from US army base shitposting
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>>667755 Yeah if they took down a videos about Chess, because it's got people talking about black and white chess pieces, it's not AI magic, because that's proof it's got zero context awareness. They are going to bother normies with this until everybody agrees to brute force a new video distribution, system. Oh by the way since they are probably using word filters, it means that people uploading objectionable content can just put audio files on their website and upload a muted video to YouTube and use a small java script to play both the audio file and embed youtube video at the same time.
>>667782 > Oh by the way since they are probably using word filters, it means that people uploading objectionable content can just put audio files on their website and upload a muted video to YouTube and use a small java script to play both the audio file and embed youtube video at the same time. Why would you do that instead of just uploading video to your own website
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>>667794 because that way one only has to host the audio, and not the video portion of the file
>>667806 That would also eliminate the entire reason 99.999% of opinionstubers include a video track in the first place: As an excuse to upload their glorified podcasts to Youtube.
>>653253 Parallel sites are forming that mirror the functionality of Reddit , Twitter , Twitch, & Youtube.
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>>653597 >virtual >meatspace >distinct DeCeNtRaLiZeD pLaNnInG gAnGaNgGaNg

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