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Do we care about preserving culture? Anonymous 05/22/2020 (Fri) 20:26:52 No. 520233
Seen a lot of people talking about Capitalism is destroying Africa or Indigenous or whoever else's culture. Should we care? Is it bad if languages die and get replaced by English?
>>520428 t. CELTIC GANG
>>520357 Communism will genocide all humans on earth by advancing to a proletarian culture.
>>520439 One of the big criticisms of the USSR was their attempt to russify most of their territory by forcing everyone to speak russian. There's few arguments against this. Communism shouldn't be in the active process of destroying cultures UNLESS there are harmful practices that are tied to that culture, even then, they can be reformed, not destroyed.
>>520442 >One of the big criticisms of the USSR was their attempt to russify most of their territory by forcing everyone to speak russian. [CITATION NEEDED]
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>>520422 >Pizza Yes! Pizza!!
You can't do social engineering on the scale of "destroying cultures" without risking the deep rooted, serious alienation of a set of people against you for doing that. I personally don't give a shit about preserving cultures, but I give a shit about defeating capitalism and advancing socialism. That requires solidarity, and it will require stages of development. You can't have a paternalistic mindset in this regard to subsets of people in some nation. Like, if you're talking about indigenous people or black people or something in America, if you treat them as a group to lord over and bargain with from on high they are going to resent you, especially when you sacrifice policies they largely identify with or prefer for something or other. But ways of life are going to be destroyed and replaced in movement to a new political economy. We don't even know what that looks like, so there is no sense in which socialists or white socialists particularly can decide whether they want to "preserve cultures". Socialists prioritize the abolition of class society, and those conditions will create a new way of life that we haven't experienced and can't fully know ahead of time. But what we can do is fight class society and attempt to overthrow it in coalitions with other people who share our class interests, although they may also have other interests specific to them.
>>520439 >Communism is when we're the borg You're proud to be a strawman.
>>520463 No, under Communism we will eradicate all culture, learn esparanto and express art solely through mathematical formulas.
>>520233 Look into museum reparations and deaccession discourse.
>>520463 >You're proud to be a strawman. That's funny considering how hard you just straw manned my position.
>>520535 The shit you said is the literal strawman in all anti-communist media.
>>520610 Except that its correct.
>>520233 We should preserve a database of culture, yes. However, culture is not stagnant. It changes quite rapidly, Meaning preserving some facet of culture becomes hard to maintain. We could perhaps maintain the aesthetic of certain cultures, relive them in retrospect, however that can be quite negative. We need to go forward as much as some would like to hold on.
Cultures are only useful for dividing the working class. They are of no value on their own.
>>520444 "What Stalin had in mind was a Russocentric federal union , with the RSFSR absorbing the other republics . 40 When Lenin understood the implications o f Stalin's plan he was strongly opposed, and produced his own plan for a federation in which all th e republics would be on an equal basis . This dispute over federalism was one of the issues which le d Lenin, when he was critically ill, to dictate the political testament which recommended that the part y remove Stalin as general secretary ." https://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/1997-806-07-Hammer.pdf
>>520621 genuine low iq take
>>520439 If communism does happen, nutcases like you will be killed at least.
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I don't know about preserving culture, but the deliberate destruction of cultures and languages is one of the fundamental tools of imperialism. Most likely you'll see a revival of native cultures under socialism but they'll be different, take for example Kwame Nkhruma, he wore the traditional skirt of the northern tribes but decorated it with the patterns more commonly worn in the south of Ghana as a sign of national unity.
>>520233 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M-m_7G31yh4 Why preserve when you can A D V A N C E ?
Everything should be replaced by superior, liberal western culture.
>>520390 They should not only be preserve but also developed further under the framework of socialism. Anything that’s intrinsic to the capitalist or feudal material basis must be either discarded or modernize to fit the new proletariat. That’s what most socialist country always striving for, successful or not. Proletkult being a good example and Mautistic Cultural Revolution being a bad one (although the latter arguably was never about culture but just another attempt of power play in the upper echelon of the Gang of Four and Deng).
>>520233 Fuck "culture" as a concept. 1. either culture is coercive, i.e. it forces people to do shit (i.e. women being forced to wear burkas is muslim culture), in which case it needs to be abolished posthaste, 2. or it is not coercive, and culture is merely the result of millions of people freely choosing their interests, in which case, caring about "preserving culture" is irrelevant, because culture will be preserved merely by protecting the individual liberties of the members of the populace.
>>521039 >women being forced to wear burkas is muslim culture ...no? There is no muslim culture. Most muslim women don't even wear burkas, they were scarfs or dubatas at best.
>>520453 I'm italian and I'm fucking sorry about the pizza thing but if I can say something about it, Pizza Hut isn't even italian, it was unironically cultural appropriation by yankies, we don't even have Pizza Hut here.
>>520233 Culture is a spook. Yalking about culture in general, it is not something to be "preserved", culture evolves all the time, especially when material conditions of the people changes.
>>521050 >Yalking Talking*
>>520326 >Imperialism is bad because it kills people not because muh culture. Killing culture is really efficient way of killing people and dispossesing them. There is a reason for why every genocidal empire does it. Go for a different strategy than the huns
>>520341 >I mean, do we feel bad because nobody speaks Etruscan? Do we feel bad because nobody speaks Babylonian? Yes.
>>521039 This, culture isn't meant to be preserved but to change with the people.
>>520309 based
>>520433 Thank God for the British Empire, valiantly going to save culture from all over the world :D
>>520442 >UNLESS there are harmful practices that are tied to that culture There is no way to determine this objectively, as "harmful" itself is culturally defined. It in fact changes definition inside culture through time - Victorian English would find much of our current culture harmful. Tending more towards mutual non-interference between culture with universal right to leave a culture if you feel victimized by it, with every cultural group being bound to respect minimal norms of public order (i.e. respect primacy of the Party), not sure how that would practically work ofc.
Holy shit the amount of idealism in this thread. Im sorry but you cant "save" all cultures. There are some cultural aspects that wont fly under socialism. For example like in arranged marriages for land inherentance were part of our culture but under socialism they became useless because of a nature of property under socialism. So in other words, socialism erased part of our culture. This will probably happen with caste system in India for another example. And when it comes to languages, its inevitable for humanity to start to speak only dozen of languages in coming globalized world. You cant really cooperate with someone when fucker comes and speaks Ainu to you. You can try to save languages like in Ireland with Galeic but people will choose english anyway because its more convenient. So only thing to do is to preserve cultures by documenting them but dont shame people to practicing them just for a sake of preservation.
>>521177 people still talk dialect here in their families opposed to the national language so idk
>>521182 Yeah, about dialects. Culture will not get completely homogeneous. People will still create new dialects. So theres no worry that there will be lack of cultural diversity any time soon. And remember, languages are just dialects with an army.
> Is it bad if languages die No. > and get replaced by English? Yes.
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>>521209 This, English is ass language.
>>521209 >>521216 What is the better alternative? It should be easy to learn with uniform grammar rules, few discrepancies between spelling and pronunciation imo.
>>521224 esperanto
Depends what you mean by culture and preserve. Culture as an organic reaction to the environment that a community exists within is fine. If there is a problem with that culture, hatred and bigotry, you have to question what the underlying cause is. Ultimately a reaction against a "problem" with the culture is in itself a cultural phenomenon. In my view, communism changes the environment and gives life to new culture. We shouldn't demolish history - we accept it for what it was and what we can learn from it. Its undialectical to think we can't learn from the past. So I wouldn't say we should preserve culture, rather we should leave it be - if it continues organically thats great, if it fades away that's also great.
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>>521216 >ass language. there's 2 interpretations for this
>>520621 what a burger thing to say. i'm not surprised though, american culture is tv dinners and obesity. possibly the only culture we should be in a rush to lose as fast as possible
>>521798 hehe yeah no. Tons of American are very staunch on keeping their culture. That's why they have shit like Confederate LARPers, DezNat and New Afrika.
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>>521224 tbh esperanto should've been made the global lingua franca decades ago.
>>520269 A lot of their left is anarchist if it means anything.
>>521177 >You cant really cooperate with someone when fucker comes and speaks Ainu to you. Never mention that it's probably best for immigrants to learn the language of the receiving country tho, that makes u a nazi.
>>521224 Something with a phonetic spelling system. Unironically think spelling is the reason the english speaking countries early years education is so shit. Also the reason why places like Finland's is so good.
Culture is what makes life worth living and our human experience more colorful. Americans will never understand this.


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