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Rules - Moderation Feedback - The New Manifesto Anonymous Board volunteer 02/12/2020 (Wed) 16:34:48 No. 274282
🚨🚨🚨 This month's >>>/roulette/ is /tech/! 🚨🚨🚨 REMINDER TO VISIT >>>/hobby/ Hello, this is the new iteration of the moderation topic. The manifesto has been updated and the new version is attached to this post, please feel free to read it. We welcome user feedback, but we will be keeping the discussion in this thread on topic as the last one was too chaotic to be useful for its intended purpose. Please enjoy /leftypol/ and the rest of /bunkerchan/. /leftypol/ rules: In general, the rules are enforced to provide an entertaining and edifying space for all posters to enjoy, and should serve to keep the board easily usable and free from spam and on topic, with discussion productive and open. In addition, content which is illegal in the United States will be removed. No spam is to be tolerated. Spam from a bot is subject to a permanent ban or more severe actions to preserve site security. 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>>283682 See >>283653 you aren't inb4 shit
>>283676 no >>283682 >So it's just idpol you don't like then. Because I don't know if anyone told you this yet, but racial slurs are idpol. honestly even if they were idpol, they aren't exactly a staple of the discourse around here in the same way that, say, /pol/ uses it, which is heavily entrenched in their own reactionary idpol. for the most part it is legacy language from ex-/pol/acks, so it's not a problem in the same sense that incels, actual reactionaries on the board, are.
>>283687 More like >nigger isn't racist when used outside of the context of addressing a black person I see your point about the word being inherently idpozzed though, I don't understand why anons are so loathe to surrender it
>>283691 If it was up to me we'd purge both the incels and the nazis.
>>283686 >Why though? When other idpol, like calling people incels is allowed. Is it just predicated on what annoy's you. it's predicated more on directly eliminating an entrenched reactionary element. >Also this board comes from a Nazi background (8chan), and has always had this soft spot for Nazis, "debating" them for days and allowing them to argue their points. 8chan wasn't a nazi site, at least when leftypol and a lot of the other boards there were made. that besides, leftypol is from 4chan's lit board when marxist discussion got suppressed, so they up and left to make a place where left literature could be openly discussed on the next most popular chan. >Nazis a demonstrable threat to workers into this very day, but you'll give them all the time of day. Because some of them are proles, and if you can get a prole out of the nazi BS and make them an ally, then you have weakened fash and strengthened leftism in one fell swoop. >But not anything you deem from incels, which is really just anything that criticizes feminism. Because incels are reactionaries that refused to bend the knee, so like any raiding /pol/ack who keeps on being a reactionary, they get purged. All reactionaries get the same treatment, repent or get fucked. >>283691 >Like hell it isn't. Regardless, they're still idpol through and through. You think it's arbitrary that fash love that word. Is there some equivalence of black people who use nigger and nazis then too? or is it just us because it's an expedient way to make a not-argument over the semantics of language. >Isn't that Nazi legacy something we should seek to purge? Yes, along with all reactionary forces. However, as far as the order of priorities go, purging active reactionaries and instilling materialist thought into newbies is more important than playing language police. >You don't need to "debate" Nazis to deconstruct their arguments either. For the most part you don't debate for the benefit of the person you are arguing with, but the people watching. >Nazi culture isn't reactionary but incels are. <ex-/pol/acks are nazis they are spooked to high hell but they aren't that bad. incels, meanwhile, are.
>>283725 If you weren't such a newfag you would know about this board's sordid past with incels. We hate them because they bring their fucking shit into everything and because they have proven again and again that they aren't even communists.
>>283735 It is about the fact that incels derail threads and ruins conversation. If we had feminists coming in and doing the same thing I would also recommend swift bannings with extreme prejudice.
>>283740 But they do, they always have to masturbate over how great abortion is.Most recently in the eugenics thread. It's like watching a democratic debate.
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>>283743 >they always have to masturbate over how great abortion is
>>283735 nazis are banned if they are not upfront about being identitarian reactionaries. incels are NOT upfront about being identitarian reactionaries. That means that when they incelpost, they are potentially breaking two important rules, < Don't cloack reactionary takes as leftist. < No idpol posting. If the mods actively allow reactionaries to post, it is entirely for entertainment and/or educational purposes (not necessarily of the reactionaries). It is subjective and depends on the quality, manageability, and trajectory of the topic/thread. If you don't like not being able to post, consider not being a reactionary :^)
>>283886 well I certainly did not expect the emoticonposter to be a vol
>>283701 Lenin himself said that working within reactionary proletarian structures to turn them to leftism is a pretty big and important objective for lefties, specifically in reactionary and fash trade unions back in his day, but today the reactionaries that are turnable. sorry if you have a distaste for praxis, but undermining reactionaries simply empowers us and weakens our enemies, and without a strong fash movement for the bourgs to fall back on in periods of crisis, revolution is more viable. That besides, a good left program doesn't need to go out and manually recruit any apolitical workers - they flock to them because of what they champion. >>283703 Pretty overt simplification, 8/pol/ initially was more the more radical lolberts and some fash that left 4/pol/ because of site crackdowns, but /pol/ wasn't the main draw of the site until later on in its history. it was just more liked because it had more power given to the userbase and the ability to make entire boards, which caused a lot of weird little niche boards to crop up. >>283705 Lad, we don't have any slavers here as far as I know. We do, however, have a fuckload of annoying, idpol-laden incels that shit up the place all the time in our site, so that's who we ban. Don't tell me you seriously are making the "b-but bigger targets" argument on a Taiwanese knitting site. We aren't a party or a really politically active organ, just a left hangout. >>283708 Purposeful generalization, plus some pretty fucking rancid racism from yourself in saying that all rap is an expression of black people only exerted by the state's influence rather than a representation of the lifestyle the state enforces on the black population via the material discrepancies they create via a capitalist system. But please, don't let materialism get in the way of your idpol'd grief. >>283712 >Sorry, I give you no quarter anywhere Quaking in my boots. Have fun being a shitty splitter that nobody listens to and prolly gets banned in like an hour, lel. >>283725 >Nazis hate incels because they don't produce children and want "useless eaters" killed. now this is some 4d chess
>>283900 Not the vol you're responding to, but I also use :^) condescendingly.
>>283743 >>283569 >>283559 >eugenics thread What was that all about?
INCELS ARE THE MODERN JEWS WE ARE PERSECUTED SHUNNED SPAT ON EVERYWHERE WE GO WE HAVE NO PLACE TO CALL HOME WHERE IS OUR ISRAEL
>>283909 >Lenin himself said that working within reactionary proletarian structures to turn them to leftism is a pretty big and important objective for lefties, Did Lenin also say to not triage anything and spend 100 times the time and energy turning fash when it could be spent turning non class concious workers and yield 100s of times more people? >sorry if you have a distaste for praxis Oh show me these grate gains this praxis has yielded. >but undermining reactionaries simply empowers us and weakens our enemies, Giving a platform to Nazis doesn't do that. Nobody but your latent fash buddies follow the "debate a Nazi" threads.
>>283930 I believe it was someone posting about climate change as a conspiracy by the elite to cull the population
>>283931 Bro, just have sex.
>>283909 >but undermining reactionaries simply empowers us and weakens our enemies, and without a strong fash movement for the bourgs to fall back on in periods of crisis, revolution is more viable. Yeah sorry, Anrchists have been 1 millions times more successful than ossified MLs like you in weakening the fash. And they did that by directly confronting the fash. But since Lenin 100 years ago did it we should pal around with fash even though we have proven praxis. >That besides, a good left program doesn't need to go out and manually recruit any apolitical workers - they flock to them because of what they champion. Source: your ass. >Pretty overt simplification, 8/pol/ initially was more the more radical lolberts and some fash that left 4/pol/ because of site crackdowns, but /pol/ wasn't the main draw of the site until later on in its history. This is just revisionism, the board started off as a refuge of gamergates (right wing), and fash kicked off of 4 chan. The "create your own board" feature was an integral part of fighting "censorship" of Nazis and gamergaters they left 4 chan for. Hot wheels wanted to create a liberal marketplace of ideas that addressed the censorship that 4chan Mods could impose. Don't like the moderation of a board, create your own and see if your ideas as to how things should be run are actually popular. People didn't go there because of that feature lol. /v/ and /pol/ were the top two boards for that entire chans life. >Lad, we don't have any slavers here as far as I know. Aw sweetie we actually do, they just call them prisoners. >We do, however, have a fuckload of annoying, idpol-laden incels that shit up the place all the time in our site, so that's who we ban. but Nazis don't shoot up the place because you like them right and it's important to talk to Nazis because Lennon said so even though that was before World War II and before fascism was completely marginalized and discredited as a political ideology. >Don't tell me you seriously are making the "b-but bigger targets" argument on a Taiwanese knitting site Don't tell me you're making claims to being anti idpol when you allow the most vicious racial slurs to slung everywhere, but incels, who are really just anyone that criticizes liberal feminism are just too annoying in sitting up the board :-( >Purposeful generalization, plus some pretty fucking rancid racism from yourself in saying that all rap is an expression of black people only exerted by the state's influence rather than a representation of the lifestyle the state enforces on the black population via the material discrepancies they create via a capitalist system. Yeah f*** your Lumpenprolesl they sell drugs to even more vulnerable workers in their neighborhood and they are tools of the state. Gary Webb proves that they were using the money they made off of cocaine sales to fund anti-communist gorillas throughout Latin America if you don't think that still goes on then you are a fascist apologist. Modern rap doesn't represent black workers. >Quaking in my boots. Have fun being a shitty splitter that nobody listens to and prolly gets banned in like an hour, lel. When she hits the sand your true colors will show I won't have to wait long the only people that are going to be hurt are the people that trusted you and other former fast like yourself
>>283909 >Nazis hate incels because they don't produce children and want "useless eaters" killed. >now this is some 4d chess How is recognizing highly patriarchal nature of Nazism 4d chess. Nazis hate feminism for the same reason it's an ideology that will significantly slow down the birth rate their expansionist policy required High birth rates
Get rid of incel(s). The main problem isn't even that it's reactionary trash but that it is so fucking boring. This has been going on for half a year since we landed here. How the fuck is this shit still continuing?
>>283931 There are places exclusively for incels, like wizardchan and probably /r9k/. Why the hell are you preaching here?
>>283964 >There are places exclusively for incels >like wizardchan lmfao, wizchan is full of sexhavers and delusional "volcels" they even call us crabs, a meme that originated from anti-incel reddit and /r9k/ is normis central
>>283952 >Yeah sorry, Anrchists have been 1 millions times more successful than ossified MLs like you in weakening the fash. And they did that by directly confronting the fash. Gonna stop you right there on that one. Tell me how many world wars you lazy drug addicts and BDSM weirdos have won again? Unless trashcans, windows and the elderly count as fascists--you haven't smashed one.
>>283973 Cannot possibly be "worse" than a place that should be about politics. You're free to piss and moan there, are you not?
>>283931 You are vilified because you derail political discussion at every turn because the mention of a boobie triggers you into a mental break.
we need some wordfilters for this autism
>>283990 >Tell me how many world wars you lazy drug addicts and BDSM weirdos have won again? The USSR is gone, and all but 2 ML states stand. And they ain't gonna win any World Wars anytime soon. The USSR was dismantled by the your precious Vanguard party themselves. Tell me when was the last time a porky nation sold themselves to a communist country?
>>283990 You haven't smashed anything either, faggot larper.
Both of you STFU.
>>284061 Idk one of them is clearly inebriated, it’s kinda funny to read drunken spergouts
Could the admins of the cytube show up on cytube?
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Don't strain yourself.
>>288464 Refresh the page.
>>288464 And check the logs.
Spammers figured out how to post one char per line. We need a post rule for limit on line breaks.
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use the circle with the strikethrough to hide posts comrades
>>288692 ctrl+f "No. " to find post heads quickly. Start from the bottom search up.
>>288661 Sorry for the wait, thread has been cleaned up for now.
>>288721 And thanks for the tip
Why is this >>289292 locked?
>>289617 There's already two Stalin hate threads up, the OP of >>289292 is free to shit on Stalin and MLs there if he desires. This thread adds nothing of value, it's just a shitty, unfunny crappost. There probably shouldn't even be more than two identical threads up at the same time but whatever. But one more? Get the fuck out
Reminder that whenever /pol/ retards shoot themselves (figuratively and literally), they come here to mega cope. If you're a /pol/tard that is ready to unfuck themselves, feel free to ask honest questions in good faith. Be ready to concede points and to get blown the fuck out.
>>289638 >There's already two Stalin hate threads up So what? There's 384 threads in the catalog. Are you telling me there aren't 2 or 3 identical threads? Who cares anyway, there's so much space in the catalog that it doesn't matter. >This thread adds nothing of value, it's just a shitty, unfunny crappost. Says you. When did you become curators of leftist content? I thought you were just supposed to ban fascists and keep right-wing shit off the board. The rules in OP: >Therefore, posts that; (1) argue under false pretences ("false flagging") (2) imply reactionary positions of the userbase as a form of group shaming (3) are of an overly derisive and mocking nature (4) are of a gratuitously offensive or hysterical nature (5) are debating inherently reactionary topics where no reasonable debate is possible >May be removed at the discretion of moderation staff. Nowhere does it say "shall limit the number of threads per topic" and nowhere does it say mods get to decide how many threads is too many. Therefore, you get the fuck out. >There probably shouldn't even be more than two identical threads up at the same time but whatever. Now you get to decide rules when you feel like it? Fuck you, you powertripping dweeb.
>for free >they do it for free
>>289715 Not the other mod, but what you suggest promotes shit threads and kills good threads. It's the most basic of quality controls.
>>289760 >kills good threads There are 384 threads in the catalog. If you think a thread is worth reviving, bump it. When fascist propaganda stays up because it's "owning the fascists", but threads made by leftists get locked because you don't like that it is similar to another thread is fucking bullshit. >the most basic of quality controls If you cared about quality, per-thread IDs would be enabled, for a start. You deciding what "quality" is is a slippery slope.
>>289793 Threads which are closer to the first page get more traction. We seriously don't need 6 purely sectarian threads in the first 2 pages. >>286208 >>286075 >>286051 >>286400 >>289292 >>285615 That's almost one of every three posts in the first two pages, for reference. There's more further down the catalog, just to be clear. The board doesn't move that fast to merit so many threads of the same topic.
>>289814 Alright.
Hey mods some fagot posted CP in /gulag/. please delete it >>>/gulag/4223

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