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/leftybritpol/ Anonymous 02/01/2020 (Sat) 00:09:29 No. 242280
Break-away Edition Previous thread: >>227068
>>278408 >Longer term Britain either gets even older or filled with immigrants. Either way this doesn't seem like a sound plan. Please don't push this neolib garbage argument. Even at 0 immigration, UK GDP is far more than large enough to sustain extensive pensions for boomers & gen-X as population stabilizes into ZPG permaculture.
>>278406 The shiggy diggy do wop a do with Chinese characteristics
>>278410 >America does just fine with porous borders Kek are you serious? Why tf do you think they voted Trump >We have a retarded government incapable of doing anything properly and then rebrands their incompetence multiculturalism Agreed >100% high quality employment, total nationalisation/cooperative ownership, national utilities and a quickly expanding economy to combat the bourgeoisie should be the primary goal of the British left. Agreed >weetie you're basically a white Ba'athist you need to reconcile with Assad immediately. Id rather have him than the fucking CIA/Mossad backed Islamists
>>278421 Someone has to take care of the aging population too. You are going to need a lot of health care workers in an already strained NHS. So immigration it's going to be.
>>278424 I think (hope) other poster was being sarcastic about 'murkin immigration policy, given the "sweaty" jab at the bottom of the post.
>>278427 Train the locals here and pay them decent wages you ballbag
>>278429 You are probably gonna run out of willing locals.
>>278428 I'm not so sure Some brits are fucking clueless about the US domestic situation - especially lefty brits
>>278424 >Kek are you serious? Why tf do you think they voted Trump Because they're run by a neoliberal plutarchy that has seen wages decline for decades and manufacturing jobs outsourced to the third world? >Id rather have him than the fucking CIA/Mossad backed Islamists Based. >>278428 I was being sarcastic at the end but what do you mean about the American borders?
>>278427 >You are going to need a lot of health care workers in an already strained NHS NHS's problem is money, not people. UK has massive undermployment/unemployment cracking 10% right now.
>>278432 Why would you? If shortfalls occur temporary work visas with free accomodation is workable until short falls are made up for
>>278416 >>278421 Not a sound plan as in the plan to disguise socialism as right wing will not work due to either an old population that swallows the media or a large immigrant population opposed to right wing talking points. >Please don't push this neolib garbage argument. Even at 0 immigration, UK GDP is far more than large enough to sustain extensive pensions for boomers & gen-X as population stabilizes into ZPG permaculture. M8 UK gdp is sustained on imperialism, finance and conumption. Were genuinly fucked if we dont make a move back to being production based. And it isn't heading for ZPG. It's only internationally competitive to import foriegn adult labour. Much cheaper than caring for children. Fucks over everywhere else too.
>>278435 >Because they're run by a neoliberal plutarchy that has seen wages decline for decades and manufacturing jobs outsourced to the third world? Fucking exactly anon - AND mass immigration legal and otherwise
New thread >>278441
>>278440 >Fucking exactly anon - AND mass immigration legal and otherwise Doesn't matter too much if the factory or whatever is in the country, it boosts the local economy with wages, transport, taxes, whatever. No good having it shipped in.
>>278435 >what do you mean about the American borders? Burgerstan's immigration policy is absolute garbage, with a persistent illegal population of ~10M since the '90s passage of NAFTA, and over a million and accelerating permanent legal immigrants a year pouring in, on top of "maquiladora" border industry siphoning jobs away. The only reason there's no great cultural integration problem on par with Europe's, is because immigrants are mostly from our immediate neighbor, going to areas that were owned by them a couple centuries ago. It's like if UK had a land border with France and was being slowly swamped with frogs.
>>278439 >Were genuinly fucked if we dont make a move back to being production based. Damn right. aAlmost trumpian - bring back industrial jobs >Fucks over everywhere else too. Correct - stalls development in the 3rd world
>>278445 This anon gets it
>>278445 Ah right, yeah my point was that American immigrants can fit in well there. Latinos are pretty trad for American standards, but in the UK we don't even integrate our Euro immigrants that well. >>278446 It's not even Trumpian. The left has fallen so far behind that its allowed industrialisation to become the realm of the right.
>>278442 Continue all chat here lads >>278441 If your reply is SO GOOD you absolutely must post it then paste it in the reply box there because no cunt is gonna read it here
>>278451 >The left has fallen so far behind that its allowed industrialisation to become the realm of the right Exactly. So I say why cling to the rotting zombie corpse of a lefty lib luvvie party - a national joke - when we can just go meta zen and coopt the popright
>>278456 I think everyone was just posting stuff without watching the bottom of the page
>>278043 >Was this not a snide implication that I must be some tory troll or reactionary on your part? Yes? You pretend to not care, then say some conservative shit. classic tory/reactionary move. >>278051 >The pro IRA pro Islam pro hate speech didnt help either Lmao this keeps getting better and better. The mask is really slipping. FYI Up the RA nigga
>>278128 >british Liz Warren. Nah it is Nandy. For fuck sake RLB may be shit but she is the least worst option. >>278133 Bruh I meant the anti-idpol critics of Labour is say 50% controlled opposition brainwashing the other 50%.
>>278163 >You can't goad people into being rude by being rude then complain they're rude, come on. Anti-idpol always do this. It is super frustrating, like talking to fucking babies.
>>278593 >not wanting men in dresses telling pre schoolers about 72 genders makes you a reactionary guiwe Fuck off you middle class regressive bourgeois twat Your days are numbered
>>278593 >unironically supporting ethnonationalist reactionaries who masquerade as marxists Youre a fucking idiot son
>It is super frustrating Oh yes isnt it Tarquin - so gammon - so working class Fuck off you poseur faggot
>>278660 >Your days are numbered Lmao I am not the one that is going to be dying on the streets over to austerity even if I was middle class you retard. And it is not about your actual views on trans, but having such an extreme rheortic and then accusing others of being in the culture war you are in. >Youre a fucking idiot son Okay 'old leftist' >so gammon - so working class Ooo does baby want his milk bottle?
>>278675 >>278675 >extreme rheortic >extreme Fucking kek lad I'll do alright. I actually work for a living >Ooo does baby want his milk bottle? Classic projection The sooner you bourgeois faggots are purged the better. Limp,wet,weak and pitiful - a cancerous boil thats delivered us nothing but failure. Away and join the lid dems or the greens faggot. Youll fit right in
>>278741 >Fucking kek lad Not an argument. >I actually work for a living So what? Austerity will be brutal regardless of a job. Hell you might lose it any moment now... >Limp,wet,weak and pitiful - a cancerous boil thats delivered us nothing but failure. Oh yea because the working class(TM) has done so well for itself lately haven’t it? Take your class envy and hatred elsewhere fam. You are a right winger’s caricature of what a socialist is, envious and spiteful of people above his station in life.
>>277602 Imagine defending "soft left" Miliband types like Rayner.
>>278741 >The sooner you bourgeois faggots are purged the better. The only people getting purged from labour are anti imperialists
>>279135 >muh imperialism Are bongs even relevant on the global stage today?
>>279142 Fuck off fed
>>279146 Obviously there's utility in Airstrip One's further acquiescence as the sewer inflow to Europe for Wallstreet, but do you actually still do anything of note outside the OECD imperial core?
>>279149 I'm not here to educate a glowy on foreign policy
>>278915 >Austerity will be brutal regardless of a job. Hell you might lose it any moment now >the working class(TM) has done so well for itself lately haven’t it? Take your class envy and hatred elsewhere Look and marvel at the chelsea socialist and his sneering contempt for the lower orders All projection ofcourse.Ive no bother with people doing well for themselves - provided its not some trumped up little champagne marxist trust fund baby with an expense account
>>279172 >his sneering contempt for the lower orders Oh please, not everything is about you or your class fam, I sneer at anyone who is against socialism and its adherents. What a snowflake. >Ive no bother with people doing well for themselves - provided its not some trumped up little champagne marxist trust fund baby with an expense account Lmao do you tell yourself that to justify your resentment and class envy or are a Tory larper?
>>279177 >class envy >tory larper Pick one Try to keep some semblance of coherence to your half baked narrative and ill conceived assumptions Your posts reveal you are practically praying for some type of disaster to punish the working class - who no doubt are a constant source of disappointment to your little debating society
>>279180 What part of class envy OR Tory larper do you not understand? It is literally a pick one statement. Can you fucking read or understand English? >you are practically praying for some type of disaster to punish the working class Pray? It is already here fam, I at best wash myself as pity or sympathy (but of course still class solidarity) with the North. >constant source of disappointment to your little debating society Oh don’t be so egotistical. The people voting LD and Greens coz of anti-semitism, muh Remain or Tory lies are an equal source of disappointment if not more. Not everything is about you, moron.
>>279205 >as pity or sympathy (but of course still class solidarity) with the North. Of pity or sympathy (but of course not class solidarity) with the North.
>>279205 More incoherent bollocks and post hoc rationalisations.Boring >Not everything is about you, moron. Projection once again. Tiresome. Jog on Tarquin - time for a spot of brunch
>>279211 >More incoherent bollocks and post hoc rationalisations Not an argument. You are trying to wiggle out a statement you made in bad faith. >Projection once again. Tiresome. Jog on Tarquin - time for a spot of brunch This isn’t how projection works fam. I never ascribed to you any traits that you didn’t already reveal. Now calling me Traquin? That is projection.
>>279236 Zzzzzzz
>>279258 The amazing intellect of a ‘old left’ working class(TM) everyone!
>>279267 Ant yet,even in the arms of morpheus and a catatonic state, still more ideologically coherent
>>279275 >And yet* Youre so mindlessly dull,it's effecting my already substandard typing
>>279275 >>279276 >you are so stupid you are making me stupid Poor arguments and poor banter. Austerity is really screwing up the North huh?
Turns out she's a complete moron.

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