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Word Filters Anonymous 07/07/2020 (Tue) 11:36:15 No. 672229 [Reply] [Last]
Hello all. We've heard your feedback over the word filters... believe me. So, we're going to ask the community what they think the word filters should be. Here is the list of wordfilters on 8ch just before the board died (I believe), as a template. Now, there are some limitations also, we can't do a filter for IQ for example because there is no functionality for spaces in lynxchan filters (IE the word critique etc would also be filtered). Also the black king wordfilter is gonna be changed, so, no need to complain about that... Anyway, there was a list an anon made that I thought was pretty good, but we lost it over a miscommunication, however the one I remember is 'PMC = people of college' which I think is pretty snappy. Anyways, let's apply ourselves and try to come up with some new 'buzzwords' that need to die, there's no poll for now cause we will just gather opinions at this point. So just say what you want and talk shit about other people's suggestions.
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>>684217 wow you’re retarded. twitter is an FBI site and is not at all unbiased as to who does numbers on their platform. obviously social media will be biased towards social liberalism because that’s what a lot of Silicon Valley suburbanites fundamentally are. the whole point of twitter from the beginning was to astroturf political movements, it’s not indifferent. read “Fuck off Google” by the invisible committee
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>>684243 speaking of twitter..
>>684171 The post was literally called "the case for left conservatism". My days.
>>673706 >Stop watching reading Filtering pure nouns to nouns that double as verbs lead to weird results.
The Comintern explained in a resolution on july 5 1923 how the fascism of a hundred years ago began and gained traction. How it started when people, disillusioned with socialism because the socialism they subscribed to and expected was a peaceful reformist socialism, gave up on socialism entirely and redirected their restless energy as conditions continued to deteriorate. I see this same pattern again, 100 years later. Iam beginning to suspect that idpol movements are flat out literally the beginning of a new fascism. Fascism is not a specific thing, its form can be different depending on the conditions that make it; it is the non socialist catastrophe when the bottom of capitalism falls out and for one reason or another class struggle is ignored for something else Many socialists back then ended up becoming fascists, there is no reason to think many people today who think they are socialists are not even now heading down that path obliviously.

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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list Anonymous Board volunteer 07/05/2020 (Sun) 20:23:05 No. 668788 [Reply] [Last]
🚨🚨READ THIS FIRST BEFORE POSTING🚨🚨 Visual Guide for New Anons https://bunkerchan.xyz/.media/e7c5eab9a4fa215d646e6c8aaee497ef-imagepng.png Do not put your e-mail in the e-mail field First, Please read this OP. Since we're leftists, there shouldn't be many differences ideologically, but our community has its own jargon and idiosyncrasies which might be jarring to outsiders. Second, although we allow slurs, we are anti-bigotry and it will not be tolerated. Thirdly, the board has an anti-idpol rule. Meaning that discussion of idpol topics is not allowed. There is some flexibility. Where that flexibility is also requires some time to get the feel of it. Fourthly, don't put anything in the name, or email fields. Don't doxx yourself Search the catalog before starting a new thread to avoid duplicates: https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/catalog.html Useful threads are often remade when expired, search the catalog if these links are broken. Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread >>668321 Market Watch >>8552 Internet General >>637502 Original Creations (Memes) >>419177 Region specific threads USA >>531727

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>>677828 >>676608 what's "block bypass"? what does it do
>>678255 It lets you post with tor.
why did you delete the wayfair thread?
>>680978 Because it's schizo pizzagate shit. Also remember feedback goes on gulag now.
>>668886 What is that 2nd reading list even supposed to be?

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/leftybritpol/: Join Your Local Tenants Union Edition Anonymous 07/10/2020 (Fri) 10:53:30 No. 679348 [Reply] [Last]
In two months the ban on evictions will end. Millions of tenants all across the UK will face arrears and destitution. Join your local tenants union.
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>>684771 And you sound insane if you think people will want to be locked up for 4 years. How do you expect the country to go on for that long with no one doing anything? Even if we moved towards socialism we still need people to do things other than sit at home
>>684841 Compare the size of Labour, an organisation with more people than Edinburgh, to the CPGB-ML, which could barely pack out a PTA meeting.
>>684896 to spite you i will not
>>684905 Nah, she's still about.
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>>684907 bring the open university back to the BBC and have people learn stuff. unironically in any just socdem world, the government would be going on a massive public education blitz at the moment. lock everyone indoors and provide them every tool and encouragement to improve themselves. not only does it keep people from going mad as they realize they're not doing anything (lucky buggers, i went mad from that long before lockdown), it's also certain to pay for itself in the long term through the general benefits of a more educated, more talented, more creative population. (and i don't just mean in a "hey, the population will be happier" way. i mean literally: any amount of money you threw at it would pay itself back tenfold if even 1% of the people who took part got something out of it. )

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Russia in the 90's Anonymous 01/22/2020 (Wed) 09:28:57 No. 225088 [Reply] [Last]
I don't know much about it, so how bad did things get in Russia (and the rest of the Soviet states) after the fall of the USSR in 1992?
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>>680996 of the end? or the new golden age?
>>424384 read his quasi-autobiography Speak, Memory. he's bourgeoisie; it is and always was in his class interest to hate commies. still one of the greatest writers of the 20th century. what can ya do.
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>>676483 >What do you guys think the chances are that sometime 20-30-40-50 years from now we'll see the public revealing of documents which more thoroughly incriminate the US and NATO in the dissolution? Such documents would never come out unless they are irrelevant. That is, the USA has to turn socialist for it.

On unity, recent events and the rise of left-conservativism Anonymous 07/12/2020 (Sun) 00:14:41 No. 683833 [Reply] [Last]
For just over a decade I have watched the American far-left develop and change. At first from a distance in a puny conservative backwater, reading of past revolutionary heroes and being active on the old Revleft forum learning directly from guys like Ismail or Rafiq. When I got older I went to the city and joined social democratic orgs, rubbed shoulders with anarchists, amassed a pretty huge shelf of pamphlets and books from useless dysfunctional parties and even got swept up in a riot when the Nazis went marching. I was a member of Redneck Revolt and saw first hand just how "redneck" these urbanite hipsters really were. I have more or less lived what I thought it meant to be a revolutionary in my early teens but my understanding of these things has developed over the years and I wish to share some general thoughts here on /leftypol/ as it is clear most social media platforms do not lend themselves to this sort of honest good faith discussion. In 2011 "left unity" was a concept people considered very important. The USSR was gone. Occupy was here. We had no powerful foreign backing. No vanguard to unify people and enforce discipline. If you called yourself a "leftist" that was good enough but you had to dance over eggshells not to offend your fellow "leftists". This was around the time tumblr lib-styled identity politics were becoming culturally mainstream. You couldn't say your boss was a fat sack of shit because that "harmed the body image of fat people everywhere" and you couldn't say it was retarded to just go fight the cops without a reason because "you're insulting the differently abled and also you're a cop sympathizer!" I stuck with this shit for many years, sacrificed many of my free hours outside work and study. I had burning overwhelming conviction that among these new left weirdos there must surely be a few who possessed the necessary leadership qualities to make the others grow up, work hard and give everything they have in service of revolution. I was very naive then. As the years dragged on I drifted more towards left-conservative circles and developed pretty antagonistic relations with these social-democrats and anarchists who once seemed so knowledgeable and in-control of their lives. Old school eastern European MLs knew what was going wrong in America. Comrades from Asia, Latin America, Africa and the Middle East all seemed to implicitly grasp that the imperial core is degenerating under the leadership of Trump. New cracks are showing daily both in our political institutions as well as the literal physical roads and sidewalks we tread upon. There are race riots and retaliatory murders for the race riots. The liberal media is actively encouraging them in hopes of dethroning Trump come November and somehow restoring order under Biden. I think that people like Caleb Maupin or Angela Nagle, Amber Frost, Matt Christman, Michael Parenti or Adolph Reed understand the historical and economic foundations of capitalism in the western world well enough to help formulate useful theories as we forge onward into a terrifying and uncertain future. The ideological synthesis I have reached from these experiences and through these teachers does not win me friends with the new left. As Nagle put in one of her most recent articles:

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In my opinion, the issue with the mainstream discussion of idpol is that it has solely become the domain of what could be considered the “middle class”: labor aristocrats, self-employed small business owners and landlords, with the second group being the most vocal in this discussion through their control of popular media and their issues coloring the whole discussion of idpol, meaning that idpol itself has a class character. You can see this with the way these issues are discussed, with the biggest issues not being any real material issues that have an effect on reality but rather non-issues like not enough minority representation in media in the eyes of liberals, more than enough minority representation in media in the eyes of conservatives, not enough minority CEO, politicians, etc. and so on. However, just as popular idpol adopts the class character of the petit bourgeoisie, the class well-equipped to voice their issues in the public consciousness and influence it, there is a more hidden form of idpol that has historically been in the domain of the working class and the lower strata of the petit bourgeoisie, a form of identity politics which concerns the real material needs of these working class identity groups and as such adopts the class character of this class. You can see this well in some of the identity issues that its primary proponents are working class and lower middle class: police brutality, prison slavery, the destitution and poverty of primarily the black, Hispanic and then white working class, wage disparity between the sexes, access to abortion, access to proper healthcare for LGBT people and so on. These issues enter the public consciousness from time to time to remind people that the working class exists and has real issues, but are then often ignored or put on a secondary pedestal in relation to the issues of the petit bourgeoisie. As such I find that ignoring identity issues altogether is not the proper way forward as a lot of these issues are genuinely real, material issues that affect different groups of the working class, but just as petit bourgeois idpol adopts the class character of the petit bourgeoisie, so too does working class idpol adopt the class character of the worker. So, I think that it is better to appeal to the real issues of different working class groups and in the end try to “proletarianize” their struggles, to appeal to their issues on proper class lines, so that the unity of the entire working class could be achieved and all these different working identity groups could wage unified class struggle based on shared class opression. This has been the strategy of all serious socialist organizers in history and I think it should be the strategy of the current left if it ever wants to move forward.
>>684429 socialism is when you get a worker fired for no reason
>>683833 Based Op, I 100% agree. Fuck radlibs Fuck the synthetic left Fuck the Brooklynite left.
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Marx's most important prediction was that the advanced elements of the proletariat would organize themselves as the revolutionary subject to overturn capitalism and install a new system it its place. So much of the modern Left can be understood in terms of grappling with the failure of this prediction to pan out after WWII. From the Frankfurt School to New Left Maoism and national liberation, all these ideological developments evolved to try and answer the question of why the industrial working class wasn't assuming the mantle of revolutionary subject and fighting for socialism. This explains currents in the modern Left as well: why the most common flavor of socialism in academic/journalist circles is some kind of soft neo-Bernsteinist right-socialism from people like Nagle, Frost, etc. which suggests seizing state power through electoralism and using the existing structure to change things - which is quite the opposite of what Marx and Engels were arguing for 150 years ago. It also explains the persistence of hyper-vanguardist ML and insurrectionary anarchist thought despite the obvious limitations and failures of both traditions. Because at the end of the day, no one really believes that the proles are the revolutionary subject, that they will fight for socialism on their own without being tricked or hoodwinked into it. There is a profound pessimism lurking within the Left that just doesn't get talked about, because there just doesn't seem to be an answer for this lack of a revolutionary subject.
>>684820 not having to deal with sexual harrassment and racist bullying in the workplace is a worker's rights issue and by far outweighs the "right" to not get fired when you harm the people you work with.

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What is idpol? Part 2 Anonymous 07/11/2020 (Sat) 22:44:33 No. 683614 [Reply] [Last]
The last idpol thread died, so it must be remade. Discuss what is idpol and what isn't. As a starting point, here's a recent video that gets at a fundamental philosophical distinction. Towards a materialist definition of idpol https://youtu.be/wTErhg5y9ys The Left is often charged with practicing identity politics. But the opposition between Right and Left is actually an opposition between identity and universality. By looking at how identity functions, the stakes of this opposition will come into focus.
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>>684722 Eventual reform after pressure from below to stop harsh mistreatment is not a sign of a success - that's the logic used by capitalist apologists. "The proletariat isn't oppressed, we gave them a shorter workweek after they went on strike!"
>>684773 that "paradox" is reactionary propaganda constructed through cherrypicking. job market segregation in the nordic countries absolutely is a problem of inequality and not the result of freely made choices. >>684728 yes, back when it was a dead end job in a service role for other people's careers. >>684832 nope, just referencing how generally only the "wrong" identities are seen as identities at all.
>>684780 That's exactly my point, actually; the revolutionaries, thinking themselves to be obliterating "identitarian" distinctions through proletariat revolution, carried homophobia with them into their proletarian state.
>>684894 Except that the skilled labourer is not publicly owned, but privately and the one who the value in form of higher income. It's a further transfer of wealth from the uneducated to the рmc.
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Anonymous 06/02/2020 (Tue) 16:41:07 No. 564481 [Reply] [Last]
what do the german anons here think of the german democratic republic ?
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>>679927 There were some units deployed to Ethiopia if I'm not mistaken.
>>679927 I think some were deployed in Angola, though I may be mistaken.
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Had some things that were better than in the west. But the over the top state repression was a real bad move if you want to become socialist. Under Capitalism you don't need the people to trust each other, but in socialism that would be necessary. And the GDR did a lot of shit wich spread distrust
>>684749 >But the over the top state repression Who told you that? Hubertus Knabe or some reactionary full-time "DDR-Dissident" who makes a living of telling students how bad state repression in the DDR supposedly was? I've lived in the DDR till age 12/13 and can't recall over the top state repression, which allegedly caused a gloomy climate of mistrust according to anti-communist DDR-experts. However if you ask DDR boomers what they liked about life in the DDR they probably tell you that they miss trust, cohesion, solidarity among the population and security the most. My father was actually observed by several MfS IMs over a long time, because my family had capitalist (mid-sized factory owners) relatives in the BRD while his job as senior engineer with a large tech exporting VEB required him to travel internationally to trade fairs and customers, yet we never noticed it in daily life. In the 1990s the BStU informed him that there's a bunch of Stasi files about him and that we can see them, that's how he learned about it. I'm convinced BRD state repression and secret service did all the things the MfS did (such as opening mail, observing people, prohibiting unwanted political agitation) during Cold War and probably does worse shit under the "war on terror" narrative today. For example while the MfS was only allowed to get active when there was an actual reason for observation (let's face it, my dad was perhaps a target for western influencers due to his job & our relatives, except he didn't give a shit about politics at all, he's a STEM autist, doesn't care and knows very little about other things), meanwhile conservative "law & order" politicians work today towards permanent surveillance and control of every single citizen. Also "DDR-Dissidents" often claim to be victims of torture, but if you ask these people about details it turns out that they consider solitary confinement during pre trial and leaving the lights on for a prolonged time in a cell "torture". In reality this is all practiced in the oh so free west today by law enforcement. There is only one thing i'd consider the DDR worse than the BRD in terms of human rights: The BRD fully abolished the death penalty in the 1950s, the DDR much later in the late 1970s afaik.
>>684889 as a deeply spooked post wall brd kraut: were death sentences spoken and conducted? as far as I'm aware there are several states in BRD right now which basically never abolished death penalty, it is just not conducted. went to berlin with school once and visited Hohenschönhausen. Besides all talk it was basically a prison. best thing was their exhibit of 'chinese water torture'. besides that, ye well, they spoke about isolation and how officers would ask intimate questions because of muh Stasifiles and knowing everything about every citizen. Made me kek considering google knows more about me than any state organ ever will.

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United States Politics - /USApol/ Anonymous 05/26/2020 (Tue) 19:10:57 No. 531727 [Reply] [Last]
FRATERNAL RIOT PORN WATCHING AND FRIENDLY CIRCLEJERK HERE: https://cytu.be/r/bunkerchanalt Thread theme: FREE RASHID BASARA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWyB447vNjg 100,000 deaths edition https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ What's Next: Democratic National Convention - August 17th Republican National Convention - August 24th Ongoing - Democratic veepstakes Now with livestreams! CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html

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>>683474 who is the man in that image?
>>684836 Muhammad Abdul Bordiga
>>684834 You just kill them if they don't.
Reminder that US marines in Okinawa FREQUENTLY rape, stab, and rob the locals and police can't do anything. but nobody wants to talk about that

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Anonymous 07/08/2020 (Wed) 18:12:23 No. 675344 [Reply] [Last]
Alright. What's the most successful example of socialism in history?
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>>684770 You can hardly deny that in last couple decades China has been going trough market liberalization, growth of middle class and increasing influence of large economic subjects on the political sphere. Again, I am not claiming it is liberal democracy right now, but from the past trends I can extrapolate the path it is on.
Cuba, fallowed by Soviet Union and MAOIST China.
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>>684442 Unfortunately, we're living in a new era and we can't just assume that answers to questions that worked out in certain sets of conditions are going to work out in what we're at here and now. There's the possibility of degrading the modern western world to the level of most countries that have gone through ML revolt but nobody ever seems to want to take that as an acceptable answer.
>>684789 Xi rolled all that back. China today is unrecognisable to what it was only 10 years ago

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/QTDDTOT/ PART VI Anonymous 07/05/2020 (Sun) 16:28:35 No. 668321 [Reply] [Last]
Since the last one hit 500 posts, here's Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread: Part Six My question: The phrase "dictatorship of the proletariat" sounds off-putting to some people trying to get into leftism, how can I explain what it actually means? Previous archived /QTDDTOT/ threads: >>548092
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>>683359 Bosnian commander abandoned his people to be massacred and ran off in a helicopter
>>683443 >>683464 So I'm thinking here about 19th century England when Power Looms replaces hand weaving and this led to huge social unrest. In some cases the owners of the new power looms actually tried to look out for the old weavers and pay them a living wage, but overall, this led to a degradation in the wages and standards of weavers. If the labour theory of value makes sense, then let's say they were now making 2 units per hour instead of 1 (I think Marx actually says something like this in chapter 1 of Capital). Well then why would the weavers wage change? The value of the commodity would have gone down but why didn't productivity replace that in terms of value? Before >1 commodity= 1 gold >1 hour = 1 commodity >1 hour =1 gold new system >1 hour = 2 commodity >1 commodity= 1/2 gold >1 hour= 1 gold
>>684505 without organised labour, wages will tend to subsistence level. you can easily undersell a fellow porky who is trying to care for his workers while still growing your margins. a lot of the time, porky won't even care about the margins and run his operation temporarily at a loss if there's an opportunity for consolidation. wages have basically nothing to do with value produced, it's all about the negotiating position of the worker vs porky. the minimum you can generally pay for labour power is what it takes for the worker to stay alive, and sometimes less than that.
>>668321 shot in the dark, but does anybody know of the quote/passage/book/idea that marx says, which I can only paraphrase vaguely as: "Communism allows man to determine history, instead of history determining man." "No longer will man be subject to historical forces, historical forces will be subject to man" I can't remember where I've seen it/whether Marx even said anything similar.
>>684842 >With the seizing of the means of production by society production of commodities is done away with, and, simultaneously, the mastery of the product over the producer. Anarchy in social production is replaced by systematic, definite organisation. The struggle for individual existence disappears. Then for the first time man, in a certain sense, is finally marked off from the rest of the animal kingdom, and emerges from mere animal conditions of existence into really human ones. The whole sphere of the conditions of life which environ man, and which have hitherto ruled man, now comes under the dominion and control of man who for the first time becomes the real, conscious lord of nature because he has now become master of his own social organisation. The laws of his own social action, hitherto standing face to face with man as laws of nature foreign to, and dominating him, will then be used with full understanding, and so mastered by him. Man’s own social organisation, hitherto confronting him as a necessity imposed by nature and history, now becomes the result of his own free action. The extraneous objective forces that have hitherto governed history pass under the control of man himself. Only from that time will man himself, with full consciousness, make his own history — only from that time will the social causes set in movement by him have, in the main and in a constantly growing measure, the results intended by him. It is the humanity's leap from the kingdom of necessity to the kingdom of freedom. Friedrich Engels, Anti-Duhring https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/ch24.htm

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