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Rules, Moderation and Manifesto Feedback.

REMINDER TO VISIT >>>/hobby/ Don't: -spam -post cuckshit, "commies BTFO," or any of that kind of shit -post any porn depicting underage (including drawings) -attempt to cloak reactionary politics in left-wing rhetoric (Strasserism, "Nazbol" Strasserism, National "Socialism," Zionism, "Die cis scum"/"Kill all white men" SJW shit) -incite specific acts of terrorism or similar acts (use your head, don't act like a fed) -post idpol Do: -be respectful, ask questions, and know your place if you're a reactionary -feel free to flame, shitpost, and be sectarian if you are a leftist (just keep it somewhat within reason) If you think that the mod team hasn't responded to your request in a satisfactory manner or that it was ignored, you can now contact us directly at [email protected] Comatoast, the vol who kindly proposed this, checks this email account everyday day but might not respond immediately due to work. You can check any activity on this board, including the activity of the mod team (ban, deletions, etc...) here : You can find the manifesto in a pdf appended to this post /GET/ is Bunkerchan's general/shitposting board and /ref/ its international board. leftybooru Meta Discussion: Extraordinary Commission For Bunker Affairs: >>>/gulag/768 Development of Bunkerchan: >>>/gulag/3941

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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list

Guide for new Anons: Groups: Leftybooru: /leftypol/'s magazine: FAQ: >How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect? /leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained. >I'm not a leftist can I post here? Non-leftists can come here to ask questions. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up. >Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Clinton? Are you all Zionists??? No liberals here. We hate the Democrat party. As for Israel, leftism is anti-Zionist. It is not anti-Jew. Unlike /pol/, /leftypol/ fully supports Palestinians, and doesn't think they're "mudslimes". Pretending to be an SJW or Zionist will very likely get you banned. >Why did you leave /pol/ and why does this board exist? /leftypol/ existed to help the 8chan community focus on leftist topics without being slid or flooded to death, and now has moved to Bunkerchan as constant alt-right chud murderers and Qanon boomers killed 8chan. >Do you support gun control? While posters on /leftypol/ have varying stances on gun control (training requirements, mental health checks, etc.), they are overwhelmingly in favor of arming the proletariat. >Do you support "national" socialism? No.

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Any good and/or recommended socialist/class conscious movies you would like to share, /leftypol/? I've just watched Ernst Thalmann - Son of His Class, an East German film from the 50's portraying the key elements of German communist history during the days of the Weimar Republic. Please also feel free to use this thread to discuss Communism's great progression in film making and the Film Schools and Studios of Communist Countries.

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/usapol/ - United States Politics

Anti-Semitic Edition Previous thread: >>229884

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Is Iran an imperialist state? Iraqi Marxist and youtuber "Hakim" seems to think so. Discuss.

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/brg/ - Brazil General

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/IG/ - Internet General 7.0 - IRONY edition

Discuss e-celebs, lefty youtube, twitter, twitch, etc. Last one hit bump limit. What does /leftypol/ think of people saying things ironically? Inspired by >>184629 but by all means let's talk about irony in general too. How does irony function in online politics? Is it just a smokescreen? Is it sometimes not? Can we even tell the difference?

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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general

A general thread for all China related discussion

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Scanning books

As some here may know, myself and others scan lots of books and make them downloadable in PDF format. They can be found here:

My scanner broke recently, so I got a new one. I scanned five books in the past few hours by an American Marxist philosopher named Howard Selsam. Most notable among them are:
* (Socialism and Ethics, which as you might guess is a Marxist discussion of... ethics)
* (translation of a 1940s Soviet philosophical dictionary)
* (as its title suggests, it's an intro to philosophy from a Marxist standpoint)

I have dozens of books on my desk to scan, from compilations of Marx, Engels and Lenin on certain subjects (art and literature, trade unionism, pre-capitalist societies), to Soviet books on WWII, to books on 1980s Ethiopia I was supposed to scan months ago but didn't, to Soviet introductory texts on numerous subjects (the concept of surplus-value, political economy, capitalism, communism, philosophy, etc.)

Some of you may also recall I used to have threads where people would ask me questions about Soviet history and such. You can post any questions in threads here: (you don't need to register to post, can just do it anonymously)

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Fuck it, anyone else looking forward to shit going down?

Theres already nothing for me, working class kid with a worthless degree, barely any friends, can't find work. Getting sex or a relationship is also completely impossible for me like it is for most prole men now (despite being in college). Basically I realize there's nothing for me in this world as it is, though my suffering during the collapse will probably be far greater, though I'll likely die, I prefer it to the present ennui. At least life would be interesting if law and order broke down.

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Books on socialist economics

There're books on why capitalism can't work (Das Kapital) and books on communist government (The State and Revolution), but where are the books on labor economics and how an economy based on labor time would work?

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Redpill me about Bernie Sanders Is he our comrade ?

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Chinese Super Virus Strike USA

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Now that the dust has settled, what went wrong?

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Коммунисм табу в современной России?

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/usapol/ - United States politics

Joe Rogan Addition last thread >>226404

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/crisis/ General

DOW/Market Watch Thread
monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations, etc.

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What's with co-ops, especially the shilling that Richard Wolff gives them and the criticism that that receives here? Several thoughts: >Co-ops are more efficient than capitalist-owned orgs, because they don't have parasite owners and have a reduced need for middle management. >Co-ops undermine their capitalist-owned competition, which is good. >Centers for leftist organizing, indoctrination, etc. Are they the final solution? Of course not. But assuming they can get some traction, they could potentially do what capitalist orgs do, such as get government subsidies, tax breaks, etc. And eventually set the stage for a worker's managed economy.

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70 percent of black and mixed-race Cubans said they didn’t have access to the internet, compared with 25 percent of white Cubans. The racial wealth gap was also vast: While 50 percent of white Cubans had a banking account, only 11 percent of black Cubans said they had one. So tell me again about how socialism will solve racial inequality.

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a better word for the dirtbag/anti idpol left

We need a better word to describe the anti idpol left, besides dirtbag because that was coined by chapo, and the anti-idpol left, while accurate, only says what we're against, not what we are for. I would say classical left but the word classical has been ruined by retards like sargon and rubin. Orthodox left sounds too much like orthodox marxism. The canonical left the reconstructed left the reconditioned left the reestablished left the modernized left the reassembled left the universal left the conservative left (sounds nazbol/strassery tho) the regenerated left the reconstituted left

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Work place BULLSHIT general!

I work in the food industry and they keep pushing unrealistic production times, then freaking out when the standards, impossible to meet aren't meet. Standing over my shoulders FASTER ANON FASTER DISTRICT PORKY NEEDS A BONUS literally had the dude being all condescending muh lazy proles... had to take deep breathes before I got myself fired this thread is for you to share similar situations

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Actual CIA Military coup ongoing in Bolivia Right Fucking Now

>Neo-Nazi's and IMF / OAS shocktrooper right-wingers rioting and attacking / killing Unionists Indigenous activists leftists etc
>Army has announced they wont "Stop the popular will of the people" Against a democratic election that they lost And will not stop the rioters / death squads
>Police Mutinying and giving weapons to / helping rioters
>Remaining Legal right-wing opposition have begun to openly push for regime change
Their "Muh dictator rigging election need to step down
>Tens of thousands of union members, indigenous people, and rural farmers are basically forming worker militias and fighting back and having pitched street battles with the Right-Wingers / reactionaries / Police / Army
They failed in Venezuela / Cuba / Nicaragua and are absolutely seething that Lula was allowed out of prison and their bullshit about Evo "rigging the election" fell apart so now their literally just going to kill him

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Capitalism Pulling People out of Poverty

So I want to play devils advocate here. But whenever somebody brings up data from the IMF / World Bank that shows that global poverty is decreasing, such as the number of people living on 2$ or less dropping continually over the decades. And if the answer is that most of this poverty alleviation has taken place in China, a "communist country", consider that China transitioned to capitalism in the 1980s, which has coincided with this significant drop in people living on less than 2$ a day in the PRC. How would you argue that capitalism hasn't raised living standards and has actually REDUCED poverty rather than INCREASED poverty as argued by leftists in the past?

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Share Alunya art here

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soon edition

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What historical leftist figure do you genuinely admire?

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Should there be a maximum age on voting? The start of this article talks about age disparity in voting with reference to the UK election. As the working class die younger, throughout their lives, those who vote conservative, the middle and upper classes, get to vote more times over their life time. Consider also that across the west populations are aging, less young people are being born and people live much longer. Is it even possible to win when they have such a demographic advantage?

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>Memes izquierdistas en español.

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/leftydeutschpol/- Bunker Edition

Jetzt wo 8chan, anscheinend für die nächste Zeit anscheinen down bleibt, können wir ja /leftydeutschpol/ general wiederbeleben.

>Landtagswahl in Brandenburg und Sachsen
Hab mir die Parteien die zur Wahl stehen angeguckt und muss sagen, dass das wirklich enttäuschend aussah, interessant war aber, dass sich die KPD-O in Sachsen aufstellen konnte, hoffen wir, dass sie ihr Prozente kriegen Anons!

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Debunk thread

It would be nice if we could properly debunk some /pol/ memes/other untruths, especially the more common ones. Starting off with this old screenshot:

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When will we start advertising this place?

I enjoy Bunkerchan and I think it should grow. I'm willing to donate for ads and stuff. I don't agree with treating this like some secret and slow-pace website. Leftism needs to WIN. I don't care for the gatekeeping shit. If you're worried about the quality of threads, then work hard to maintain our culture. Direct all shitposts to /GET/ and problem solved. It will never end up like /pol/ because they're all a bunch of idiots and it's natural for them to be disorganized.

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Shared interests and beliefs among the users of leftypol?

I saw this file the other day on a thread talking about glowniggers and, to be honest, it kinda spooked me. The concept that they FBI and other three letter agencies have manufactured methods for ripping groups apart that are so well formed and effective kind of scares me. So, I was thinking, what about leftypol binds us together? What shared traits and ideologies do we hold? Not just about economics and politics but about the board in general. Why are we here? How did we end up here? What unites us as users of this board? What ideologies do we have in common? What are our goals? We should do whatever possible to fight against the influence of the borg, no matter how far or close to home it is. I figured a thread that takes the tactics of CIA niggers and flips it on its head would be a good starting place. Furthermore, I think being able to identify what separates us, what causes disjointing of the grouping, what pulls us apart is worth mentioning and being pointed out. How can we fix the things that tear us apart? How can we patch the holes that cause our mass to work in inordinate ways that have no cohesion? We should be coming together not being pulled apart. What are your thoughts /leftypol/? What binds us and what breaks us?

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/dead/ - Post-Leftism General

Welcome to /dead/, the endless magical nihilist gulag. This is not 8/grim/, but it is the continuation 8/grim/. Think of it as partly an /r9k/ for anti-capitalists, partly /GET/ with skeltals, and otherwise whatever you make of it. Now in thread form!

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Webm Thread

Thread for posting lefty Webm

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Rare Photo thread

Thread for posting Historical Photos

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Anniversary of Lenin's passing

Lets celebrate his ideas and accomplishments. Without him and his unrelentless work, the communist movement wouldnt had reached the levels of success and the sheer amount of victories it has. Certanly, today we are living a very low point for the movement, but that doesnt mean we can achieve victory again. With his teachings and with our collective work, the proletariat will conquer the world and liberate humankind once and for all. Picture from the Communist Youth League of Great Britain, they have dope propaganda.

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Video on Soviet Economy

Some neoliberal economics channel just made a video about the economy of the Soviet Union. Is there any merit to his arguments?

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US murders head of Iranian Quds Force

US just bombed Baghdad airport 3 times and killed major military and governmental figures in Iraq and Iran Iraqi state TV is saying that not only was the head of Quds force killed, but 5 leading members, including the deputy director, of the PMF were killed as well. Rumors are floating that a major member of Lebanese Hezbollah was killed as well. If Soleimani dying is true, a major game changer in US geopolitical moves in the middle east against Iran, and likely means war will happen soon.

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/dprk/ -- DPR Korea General

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.
Archive of first ~500 posts on original thread:
Subsequent archives:
Related archives:

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Debunking neoliberal concepts and theories

Can any of you share any good books on the debunking or rebutting of neoliberal concepts and shit? Share any media related that you know, doesn't matter if it's a book or not

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is it as a communist morally oke to illegally watch movies?i think not but what do y'all think?

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Late Capitalism Thread

I haven't seen it in the catalog, I thought we bring this thread back.

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Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread.

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post artwork for a nice socialist future

avoid, dread-mongering, collapse-porn and techno-phobia.

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Has living become better, comrades?

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Hungarian Thread for /voros/ refugees

Második felvonás!

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Russia in the 90's

I don't know much about it, so how bad did things get in Russia (and the rest of the Soviet states) after the fall of the USSR in 1992?

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Get Richard Wolff On Joe Rogan

VOTE HERE WHO SHOULD GO ON THE PODCAST: Remember when /leftypol/ sponsored Dick Wolff's economic update and gave us a shoutout? What if we did that again or some kind of similar way of throwing people behind a request for him to go on Joe Rogan? Is Richard Wolff an especially principled communist? No. But he is a straightforward guy with a working class appeal persona that defends Marx and critiques capitalism in broadly understandable terms. He has a record of successfully engaging with people skeptical about socialism. Rogan is a goofy midwit who parrots a lot of dumb shit but is at least intellectually curious and usually defers to his guests, has already had Bernie and Cornell West on. He has an enormous audience of people who are largely apolitical but also generally disillusioned and open to unorthodox ideas. >inb4 muh personal army interest activism Fuck off, social media effects the public discourse every day, I don't know why you'd be willing to abandon that ground to radlibs and /pol/acks Question is how to make it happen? We could separately send emails making the case, fund another economic update and attach that request? Thoughts?

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Max Stirner Meme Thread

Max Stirner Meme Thread

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What is a state?

Can an anarchist please explain to me what the hell a state is to them? The way I've seen it used seems a lot different than the way other communist do and it confuses me.

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OC Thread 4.0

OC Thread 4.0
>New thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content
Post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you want to share.
Or ITT collaborate on improving content already made.

/leftypol/'s booru:

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/ita/ - Spaghetti Communism

Forse 8chan è definitivamente morto. Proprio pochi giorni dopo che stavo cominciando a pensare di ritornare a effortpostare, ecco che un paio di /pol/tardati ammeregani si danno allo sport preferito da quelle parti e ora quel sito sembra diventato la fonte di tutti i mali del mondo. Col risultato che hanno purgato anche il nostro bel filo. E vabè. Si chiude una porta, si apre un portone. Raccogliamoci qui e ricominciamo.

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Alright Comrades, I had this Sci fi story idea that i don't think that I'll finish alone, so basically our main protagonist is the Planetary Union Of Socialist Republics, existing over 700 years since 2081, since then multiple revolutions across the galaxy has happened and all are allegedly started by the PUSR, Anyways, an alliance between the Socialist Stellar nations were formed, called the Interstellar Union Pact (Feel free to change that.) It kinda mirrors the Warsaw Pact in this world.

So in the present times, the IUP is currently engaged in a cold war with two other alliances, one was capitalist and one was Fascists whic I haven't named yet.

Our story revolves around the Commissars who assist in the revolutions across the Universe, preferably there are 9 commissars.

And that's what I built in the story so far, and now I pass it onto you comrades, contribute to this worldbuilding and hey this could become Leftypol's project but who knows.

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The Future of Organized Labor

Amid the news of historic lows in the amount of union members across America (and most of the post-industrial nations) despite surges of strikes, what do you guys see as the future of organized labor as traditional unions fail to meet the globalized conditions of our time?

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MASS LINE - 10 Years To Save The World

Repost from: - There is no question that the Capitalist system is collapsing under the gravity of its constant failures. The world economy is entering into the final death spiral, and it's going to take us all down along with it if we don't act soon. Capitalists are more interested in selling you fashionable gas masks and inland property as a way to deal with climate change, rather than concerning themselves with the reality that their outrageous practices have set a timer for 11 years before we reach irreversible destruction. So I'm sure you agree we need to do something. Before we all panic, there is a solution that has been used to liberate countries in similar situations all over the world. This solution is known as a "mass line". What is a "mass line"? The term has nothing to do with holding hands across the world, or standing in a queue, I promise. The "mass line" is the primary Marxist method of revolutionary leadership of the people. It is used to describe a process of investigating the conditions of local people, learning about and participating in their struggles, gathering ideas from them, and creating a plan of action or "Line" based on the ideas and concerns the people have. You basically find out how the people in your community are struggling, and you give them a socialist solution to their problem. Gaining this experience is known as having "mass perspective". This means recognizing the masses are themselves the only force which can revolutionize society. The masses have to discover these revolutionary goals through their own struggles, and socialists like us are here to guide them. How do we get a "mass perspective"? We focus on sparking action, not just raising awareness, and concentrate on achieving specific results. In practice this means doing some leg work. You can organize a lot of people online, but ultimately a physical interaction with someone will leave a lasting impression, and motivate them to take action in real life. Like Alexandria ocasio-cortez going door to door to convince her constituents to vote for her with limited resources and money, you will convince your community to stand up for their rights! Get involved with local socialist, communist and anarchist groups in your area, and build solidarity. Together go door to door, talk with regular people, neighbours, co-workers, friends, family, union members, teachers and any community organizer willing to listen. Even though they may be vague, confused, or disjointed, discover what economic, environmental or financial issues the people have. It is our job to focus the topic onto a strong message (or line). Never try to force a person into a position, help direct them to the correct solution piecefully. We must build bridges with all working people if this is going to succeed. That means talking to liberals and conservatives in a non confrontational way. Socialist messages are popular with all people if you don't call it socialism. We are not here to make these people socialists, we are here to give the masses the tools they need to fix the system. Remember you will always have pushback, Do not be discouraged by this. Gatekeepers are everywhere, find a way around them. It is also important to note that learning how to convince someone to your position is easier than you think, you just have to know the proper tactics. This will require some work, but this link should get you started. How do we achieve a "mass line" in real life? Example; A GM plant is closing its doors and looking to cripple the local economy. One would organize a small group of dedicated leftists to go door to door, and discuss with the people how this will affect their community. The group can help guide them to a socialist solution that will fix their problem, such as a worker co-op. Explain to them that worker owned co-ops would allow workers the vote to keep their jobs, and allow them to make more money in the process. Once enough people are on board with the idea, use the collective strength of the workers to push for legislation to be changed directly in that community. The "Line" would be that the government must give the employees a business loan at zero percent interest, to buy the plant and turn it into a worker co-op. Similar to the deal given to GM after the great recession. There are also many environmental and financial solutions the "mass line" can accomplish, this is only one economic example with very specific circumstances. There is a difference between community outreach and activism. Revolutionaries should genuinely try to help the masses win their daily struggles, but that is not the main reason for our existence as revolutionaries. Community outreach deals with matters like food banks and soup kitchens, whereas we must focus on the big picture and the urgency to revolutionize the system as fast as possible. Community outreach is important, but this is a separate issue. Our work toward satisfying the long-term needs of the masses is even more important than our work in support of their immediate and temporary interests. Throughout history the "Mass line" has been used as a method of direct action, to inspire vigorous campaigning and bring about political or social change quickly. This is a form of activism, not outreach. It is up each one of us to act. If we sit around and wait for the politicians or social groups to fix this problem for us, we will be underwater in 15 years. Don't make excuses or procrastinate, you are personally needed in this fight, complacency will sew the seeds to our destruction. - Thoughts and advice on this?

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Appeal for Internet activism

I know, I know, the mainstream online platforms like Twitter, Facebook, Youtube etc. are literally Porky's property and political activism is quite restricted on these sites. But we must get on these sites to spread our message, because this is the place where the masses are! Having a comfy place like /leftypol/ is cool, but we shouldn't rely on it completely. Lenin knew that bourgeois democracy is fake, but he still insisted to use it as a platform for spreading communist thoughts. And this is the same situation with social media. I want you, to help spreading communist thoughts on the mainstream social media. I want you, to create and share content.

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News 1/24/20

'Million-Man March' kicks off in Baghdad to demand US troop pullout (VIDEO, PHOTOS) A massive demonstration –called for by a prominent Shia cleric– has flooded the streets of the Iraq's capital Baghdad, with thousands voicing their anger at the US military presence there. France: 7th National Strike Against Macron's Pension Reform France’s General Confederation of Labor (CGT), the Unitary Federation of Trade Unions (FSU) and other organizations called on citizens to join the 51st day of protests against President Emmanuel Macron’s pension reform. North Korea appoints hardline ex-army officer as new foreign minister North Korea has appointed a former army officer with a reputation as a hardliner as its foreign minister, in a possible sign that it is to adopt a tougher stance in nuclear negotiations with the United States. Top EU officials sign Brexit deal in closed door ceremony The leaders of two of the European Union’s main institutions on Friday signed the divorce agreement governing Britain’s departure from the bloc next week, sealing the penultimate step in Brexit at a ceremony held without media access. London Police to Deploy Facial Recognition Cameras Despite Privacy Concerns and Evidence of High Failure Rate Police in London are moving ahead with a deploying a facial recognition camera system despite privacy concerns and evidence that the technology is riddled with false positives. Australian government releases whitewash report after more than 1,200 people die waiting for disability services The “independent” review, conducted by former finance department secretary David Tune, was handed to the government in December. It sat on the report until widespread outrage erupted after statistics revealed that more than 1,200 people had died while waiting for NDIS support packages. Matteo Salvini seeks power in Rome through regional victory While winning Emilia-Romagna would be heavy on symbolism, Salvini’s real goal is to use a victory to destabilize the weak coalition in Rome, and take power nationally. Jair Bolsonaro's racist comment sparks outrage from indigenous groups In one of his weekly Facebook broadcasts on Thursday, Bolsonaro declared: “Indians are undoubtedly changing … They are increasingly becoming human beings just like us.” “Cyber Rambo”: How a US Army vet aided the right-wing coup in Bolivia A reactionary US Army vet proudly ran thousands of fake Twitter accounts to spread misinformation about Bolivia Former Bolivian leader Morales holds rally in Argentina marking end of term Bolivian ex-president Evo Morales, who is looking to steer his party to a new election win from afar this year, held a “celebratory” event to mark the end of his presidential term on Wednesday from exile in Buenos Aires.

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Esperanto thread /esp/

What are your thoughts on esperanto? Should we promote it or not?

Discuss in english or esperanto

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French national Strike

title says it all, hope all my frenchfags today are striking and protesting. Is their anything going on in your country bunkerfags ?

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Quick question about imperialism and development. Why is Ethiopia so poor today despite not (directly) being taken over by european powers while Germany got powerful without imperialism unlike other western european powers like England, France, Netherlands, Spain and Portugal (I'm aware that Germany took part in its own colonialism but it came quite a bit after the above mentioned which all started ~16 century and Germany was fairly developed at that point, correct me if I'm wrong). Or how about Finland, which was subject to other states for centuries but is today a pretty nice place to live today. A better example might even be Japan, as it and Ethiopia were two countries that avoided european imperialism and even took part in their own imperialism but Japan is much more developed then Ethiopia today. I'm not really sure why this is the case. Is it because of private German firms similar to the EIC or VOC? Was Finland able to get a better deal with neighbouring developed economies while Ethiopia was surrounded by other poor nations? Is it because the US poured a ton of money into Japan while Ethiopia didn't get anything like this? I'm not trying to troll, I'm genuinely curious.

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This is effort posting general, or /effort/ for short. The fact is that the vast majority of posters and lurkers do not visit most threads. Their eyes are caught merely by some catchy topics, worse, ambiguous or contrarian shit, and they are drawn towards shitposting -- some term it "funposting", while objectively ruining the overall quality of the board. To counter this trend inherent to the format of imageboards as such (and the current state of this site/board, exponentially growing in a newfag userbase) this thread has the following functions: 1. Linking (aka. memearrowing) to effort posts, no matter the topic, in a readable format; 2. encouraging the userbase to read and engage with said effort posts. 3. raising the overall quality of the board. Participants in this thread are encouraged to follow this format: Title/summary - using 3 's or ' ' ' [without spaces, before and after title/summary] >>> If you fuck up the format, delete your post, and correct it! Example: Value theory and its blind spots >>80953 You are encouraged to plug effort posts whether yours or others. Please do it anonymously and preferably without flags. (An effort speaks for itself without your particular identity or orientation -- if not better.) I recommend participants to NOT reply, debate, etc. with linked effort posts HERE, but in their RESPECTIVE THREADS. (A reasonable degree of meta-commentary is understandable, e.g. "wow, that [x]-flag poster has good content", etc.) This thread is also for creating screencaps. It is encouraged to post in reply a screencap to the linked effort posts here. I'd also like to ask the mods to uphold the highest standards: delete derailing, /pol/, chat-sessions, namefagging, etc. to ensure that we have at least one (1) sanctuary. Thank you.

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I've seen tons of boomer images about "gommies took away the guns and they killed 999 septillion people" and now I'm genuinely curious about how lenient MLM governments were on civilian armament.

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/lat/ - hilo socialista

Hilo para latinoamericanos y hispanoparlantes para discutir cosas zurdas. Thread for latin americans and spanish speakers to discuss lefty things. ¿cual es la mejor estrategia para crear un estado latinoamericano unido? obviamente solo funcionaria con un federalismo estricto como el de rusia o estados unidos. La union latinoamericana tiene que ser una prioridad a una revolucion socialista, solamente unidos podemos combatir contra el imperialismo. y no solo el yanki sino tambien el chino

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Racism in Europe

Anybody get the feeling that the most petty bougie continent of all time is just destined to resort to fascism. I can't see Europe ever having any socialist potential whatsoever. Any eurofag would tell you today that the biggest political issue is mass migration. Should I be worried than on 20 years, they'll be putting people in concentration camps?

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US Mainstream Media Devouring its Tail

I have been noticing a trend for a while now in mainstream US media to sometimes blatantly go against its own interests by critically exposing the contradictions of Finance Capital. It started for me with "The Big Short", you know, the big budget Hollywood flick that pretty clearly explained the fraudulent nature of the 2008 crisis and ended with the following monologue: >In the years that followed, hundreds of bankers and ratings agencies executives went to jail. The SCC was completely overhauled and congress had no choice but to break up the big banks and regulate the mortgage and derivative industries. >Just kidding! >Banks took the money the American people gave them and used it to pay themselves huge bonuses and lobby the Congress to kill big reform. And then they blamed immigrants and poor people and this time even teachers! And when all was said and done, only one single banker went to jail. How was this made in Hollywood? Why would overcapitalized fat cats high on their ideological poison risk undermining the status quo? Obviously the movie was a worldwide success and there are many aspects of it that paint Wall Street in a glamorous light but that monologue is bordering on class consciousness and I know people who began thinking critically about finance just from watching that film. But that's a Hollywood film from 2015. Now we have a Tucker Carlson thread because even right-wing opportunists seem to smell where the wind is blowing. But what prompted me to make this post was a very interesting article I read recently. It's a Bloomberg Businessweek piece about an investor named Leon Black. It's the cover story, with a single word - RUTHLESS - plastered over the man's grinning face. I was somewhat skeptical at first, but was quickly drawn in to what amounts to an subversive exposé of a detestable hyper-capitalist who made his fortune by buying failing companies only to lay off workers and slash benefits for those that remained. This shit has it all: multiple suicides, international mega-fraud, even a fucking Epstein connection to top it off. But when I read this passage I almost fell out of my chair: >In 2016, Apollo moved to cut retirement and health benefits for workers at a chemical plant it owned in upstate New York. The workers, who sometimes developed cancer from handling hazardous materials, felt they had no choice but to strike. New York State Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli joined the picket line, but it was a little awkward—New York’s pension system invested $350 million in the fund Apollo had used to buy the chemical plant. The strike lasted an impressive 105 days through the dead of winter, but in the end, Apollo, which had been paying itself millions of dollars to oversee the ailing company, held all the cards. “It’s assisted suicide,” says Stephen Lerner, a former strategist for the Service Employees International Union who also tracks asset managers’ involvement in labor disputes. “We invest in companies whose official ideology is they want to destroy us.” How can such a paragraph be printed in a news rag that has a billionaire presidential candidate's name on it? This isn't even about that goblin Leon Black, it's a naked exposition of the fundamentally contradicting interests of Finance Capital and working class people. The person who gave me this article had their last shred of faith in the financial system destroyed by it and now gleefully joins me in joking about derivatives, student debt, and the trade war. Are the media companies so desperate for clicks and so shortsighted that they'll undermine the very system that props them up? Obviously they never go the whole way, always stopping short of institutional criticism, but in aggregate they seem to be doing slow but lasting damage to the ruling ideology. Is this Capitalism destroying itself... for profit? Curious to hear your thoughts.

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Post songs for anons to listen to while browsing, analysis of music, sperg out, who cares, its just music. Anti-War Theme because fuck it lets have a theme and the psychopaths want to bomb Iran:

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Socialist Aesthetics

ITT: nice-looking socialist propaganda posters, art, photos, videos...

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News 1/25/20

We won’t back off on pension protests, union ‘Asterix’ warns Macron Martinez was speaking as ministers approved the reform bill on Friday paving the way for its introduction to parliament next month, and demonstrators took to the streets again in a show of defiance following last week’s return to work by transport staff after a record six-week strike. 'Greed Brought the Brumadinho Dam Tragedy in Brazil' Lula Says "A year of Brumadinho's crime... When people only think of profits, they allow genocides like what happened in Brumadinho," former President Lula da Silva said and sent his solidarity with all the families who are still suffering the pain of their losses. Two and a half years after Grenfell fire: Tens of thousands of UK households live in buildings covered in flammable cladding Next to nothing has been done by the Conservative government to remove dangerous cladding from hundreds of mainly residential buildings that are enveloped in deadly flammable material. Unite backs Long Bailey and Burgon in Labour leadership contest UNITE the union “overwhelmingly” voted to back behind Rebecca Long Bailey for Labour leader and Richard Burgon for deputy, general secretary Len McCluskey said today. Iraqi security forces raid Baghdad protest site They fired live ammunition and tear gas as they began removing tents and concrete barriers near Tahrir Square and a bridge across the Tigris river, eyewitnesses say. Cyprus accused of blocking new Russia sanctions amid Turkey spat Cyprus is blocking new European Union sanctions against several officials from Russia-annexed Crimea in a bid to secure EU backing for tougher action against Turkey in a separate row over drilling for hydrocarbons, three diplomatic sources said. Police inspector 'groomed' vulnerable women into having sex APOLICE inspector allegedly “groomed” five vulnerable women into having inappropriate relationships with him, a disciplinary panel heard today. ‘This is huge’: Locust swarms in Africa are worst in decades Those two countries have not had an infestation like this in a quarter-century, destroying farmland and threatening an already vulnerable region with devastating hunger. China confirms 1,287 coronavirus cases, with 41 deaths China has confirmed 1,287 cases of patients infected with the new coronavirus as of Jan. 24, while the death toll from the virus has risen to 41, the National Health Commission said on Saturday.

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Are there any Irish people on Lefty/pol/. Compared with /pol/ I don't see a massive presence of Irish people. I was thinking of starting an Éire/pol/ thread,but I won't bother if it's just going to die immediately

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Online Flyposting

Where shall we spread our agitprop online next? Discussion concerning our next collective agitprop dissemination operation: Where, when and how. No 4Chan raid this time, we have had enough of those for now. Also, please no comments about the validity of social media or whatever, we need to use every outlet presented to us if we are to claw our way back to relevancy.

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Tell me what to think about the cultural revolution

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Mark Fisher discussion

How does everyone feel about Mark Fisher ? Decent stuff but even he couldn't escape capitalist realism. I grew annoyed by his instance on painting "stalinism" from a very western liberal point, also he wanted to drop the word "socalism" and "communism" from the progressive movement then litreally 2 years after his death; socalism, the word at least has been rehabilitated. Kinda sad tbh

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Anti-Fascist, Anti-Nazi memes

Post memes making fun of Nazis countering chan memes

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Idk why but it seems like almost every commie I meet is kind of a dick

Dont know if there's a more appropriate extant thread for this, if there is I'd love to be directed to it. Honestly I'm having a bit of a personal crisis right now; basically I kinda hate a lot of the communists I meet, like, to a large degree. So many of the ones I meet are kinda, idk, assholes? They only seem to treat me (and by extension one another) almost entirely in terms of assets. That's all people really seem to be, just assets for their cause. No real fucks given to people in the party, no fucks given to really anyone, they seem to care about people in the abstract but are kinda self-serving (or at least cause serving) bastards like everyone else. From my utterly aggressive, contemptuous asshole roommate, to this other dude that I tried befriending that kinda just fucks off and only contacts me when he wants/needs something, to the people in my party who are only ever interested in each other in terms of communism and only talk to each other about communism but otherwise dont seem to particularly care for each other. And I get this sense of utility rather than camarardie in a lot of commie groups/parties I've looked into. Idk if it's because the initial commie I met is an asshole and I know none of this is about making friends, but this experience is becoming deeply alienating. I get a similar sense from communists online. All I really seem to be to these people is a tool that can be wielded. Dont know if this is maybe a Burgerlard problem, maybe it's because I'm college aged, don't know, but my God it's becoming awful, to a point that I dont really wanna pursue friendships with self-proclaimed commies because so many of them seem bitter, condescending, and aggressive. I've read Marx, Lenin, Engels, Mao, etc. I've taken classes on Marx and Mao, have worked with parties, tried organizing workers; I know Marx was correct on capitalism, Lenin was correct on the revolutionary form, and socialism is the only thing that can save our species; as such I will never abandon Marxism, but my God I wish the commies i met weren't typically dicks (a lot of the best ones are either the ones closer to the normie sphere or the purely apathetic ones); it's deeply alienating for most of the commies i meet to treat me as an asset and one of them psychotically trying to attack me. Thoughts, leftypol?

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Do you smoke cigarettes, /leftypol/? Why/why not?

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Greetings from a Board Less Sheltered

Came here a while back while 8chan was still a thing. Got Asked to come back (ironically by a leftists) so figured i'd give a go. I myself am a National Socialist and would be more then happy to debate any of you on any point you like regarding ideology, Marxism, Capitalism, Jewish Influence or Racial Inequality. Over all though I'm happy to take the conversation wherever it turns But at least for my basic case i'll post one decent argument for why i Believe National Socialism is MORE of a threat the (((Capitalist Class))) then Marxism bellow. ////////////////////////// Why do you think that NatSocs and Fascists get banned by giant corporations like youtube and twitter but literal communist advocating the end of the market system dont? Why is that the every year new world war two movies and holocaust propaganda reals are produced by the Capitalist propaganda ministry known as hollywood but hardly anything dealing with the holdomor does? When was the last time ((Noam Chomsky)) got invited to harvard or yale or one of the other centers of american power and wealth? And when do you think they'll be inviting Jared Taylor? The Answer to all these Questions is very simple of course and stems from the fact that Communism is Controlled opposition. The ((Powerful)) view themselves on an ethnic basis and are desperate to ensure you do not do the same. Their tribe wishes to retain power even after the current system falls away which is why they insist you view then on economic non-racial basis. As a jew told you to...

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Value Price and Profit + The Repr. of Daily Life | Reading Group #2

HERE WE GO AGAIN Last week's thread >>193881 You guys know the drill. 1. Read This week we're doing two texts. The first is Value Price and Profit by Karl Marx. (html version: ) The second is The Reproduction of Daily Life by Fredy Perlman (html: ). If you prefer there are pdf versions as well. >Do I have to read both? I'm not your mom, so I can't force you, but you should read both because they were chosen as a pair to get both a marxist and anarchist perspective on the subject. 2. Respond Make a post replying to the texts. Things you could do include: >ask questions of other anons >clarify or reword certain points >find disagreements with the texts >Compare the two texts. >contextualize, either with Marx & Engels' body of work, history, or the present day >generate some original ideas (don't have to be any good) for us to discuss >distill an idea to a slogan or talking point for normies Respond however you think would be productive 3. Discuss Build a collective understanding of the work. Read the posts by other anons and respond to those as well. Answer questions. Argue over interpretation or conclusions. Come up with questions that might be answered with further reading, research, or experience. This one can help inspire further threads. 4. Save Screencap and save good effortposts. Upload those to the booru. Let's also discuss where we can upload text versions of posts anons make. 5. Recommend Suggest texts that either you've read or want to read for possible future readings. Keep in mind that we want to limit the total page count to ~50-60 as a reasonable amount to read, digest, and discuss in a week. As such we're probably going to start with shorter works (pamphlets, speeches, etc.) and then once we have momentum move on to books, doing a chapter or two at a time. Note that I'm not the OP of the original thread, but since it's been a week and nobody's posted the new one yet, I just went ahead and did it myself.

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Why are Socialists fighting for Donetsk other then fighting Ukrainian Fascists again? Is there anything remotely socialistic about this psuedo country?

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For a long time, there were barriers to make sure that the intellectual "class" who ran the hegemony would always be adjacent to the mode of production. You couldn't get very far in the catholic hierarchy without knowing latin, which meant you had to be pretty well off, meaning you had to agree with the mode of production. You couldn't be an intellectual of philosopher without being educated and in most cases that meant being rich, meaning you had to be in favor of your own wealth. Some people sort of escaped this, but not many. But it seems to me like recently, this doesn't quite hold up. In the current world, you expect more intellectuals to be left wingers. They aren't full Communists but they are far more broadly in favor of feminist ideas, social democratic ideas, even more radical ideas about the police and the state and such. Its easier to become an intellectual without being rich and its way more likely that you'll end up some variety of leftist. How did this happen? Is the ideological hegemony of old fading, or do intellectuals no longer play a part in it?

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/SEA/ Southeast Asia General

There are (maybe) a dozen of us! Let's compare whose country is the most classcucked, I guess.

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Batshit insane bourgeois historiography and ongoing fabrications

Let's have a thread on the bourgeois historical falsifications of 20th century socialist movements where their older and contemporary hot takes are demonstrated. Screencaps from Le Blackie Book of Gobudisms :DDD posted with counter-arguments/explanations on how they manipulate would be very much appreciated. I bet there are anarchists here who can show us ancap/conservative/francoist examples of falsifying the history of Catalonia as well. Past or present stories, urban legends, fabrications, etc. about your own country's socialist movement perpetuated today would be also of interest. I would absolutely love, for example, to hear from an Indian or Turkish comrade how the bourgeois press falsifies their ongoing struggles.

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habbening in hawaii He did it. He actually stabbed his landlord and two cops and now hes on the loose. cant cannel the hanel

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Secret Socialsts

For posterity's sake, can we list here any and all famous figures who either openly admitted to being Socialst or at one point espoused socialist views? Einstein comes to mind for me.

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Maybe this doesn't deserve its own thread, but does anyone know of any good nonfiction books (preferably from a Marxist perspective) that deal with Pol Pot or the Khmer Rouge in general? Most of the stiff I've seen is pretty boring liberal anti-communism and/or written by an american. Thank you!

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Redpill me on Mao Zedong and the Great leap forward

I'm always being tolled about how many people Mao killed. Articles are all right, but I'm more of a visual learner, so documentaries are most preferred. Book recommendations are nice as well.

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Are MLs and Anarchists both working toward the same end?

Help a theorylet left-nat out here. Is anarcho-communism as practiced in Ukraine and Catalonia really the end result of the whole Marxist process? I know when Marxists refer to "the state", they are talking about the means through which one class oppresses another, and that it would wither away in a classless society, but does that also include the erosion of national identity, borders, or laws? also i know you guys are getting alot of threads on nationalism rn, but plz dont stirner-post me to the shadow realm, these spooks are my burden to bear.

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How many of you are phisically fit? I work out everyday to soviet music. You should too.

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How do I spot glowies

Hey guys, Newfag here. I am new here and I want to know how to spot glowies Thank you, I am very sorry.

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Joe Rogan Says He Will Vote For Bernie Sanders

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Cybernetic socialism general

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Radicalization of the Youth

I think that young people are the key to a socialist or communist revolution, and I want to learn how to spread communist theory and such. I'm a minor myself, living in a third-world country, and I think it is imperative if I at least try and do something. Thoughts?

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The Left in Spain

>As Spain’s new government was sworn into office on Monday, January 12, national media spoke of a major political realignment. The country’s most-read daily, El País, called the coalition between the center-left Socialist Party (PSOE) and Pablo Iglesias’s Unidas Podemos as “the first progressive coalition” in “the current democratic period.” More than that, it is the first such government of the Left since the Popular Front was overthrown by Francisco Franco in the Civil War of 1936–39. >The new cabinet includes several figures who seek to reclaim that government’s anti-fascist legacy, from Iglesias to sociologist Manuel Castells. But perhaps most striking is the case of Alberto Garzón, today sworn in by King Felipe VI as Spain’s first communist minister in eighty years. Leader of the United Left — an umbrella group which includes the Spanish Communist Party (PCE), of which he is a member — Garzón has been a key player in Unidas Podemos’ drive to enter government over the last three years. He is joined in government by Yolanda Diaz, a labor-rights lawyer and veteran activist of the Galician Communist Party who is now Labor Minister. Any Spanish anons who can tell us what this means for leftism and the socialist project in Spain?

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Does your country have "AddidasMarxists"?

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where did he go so wrong ?

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Saving the left from neoliberals

This is a self described Marxist going full radlib as he always does. It's infuriating to constantly see these con artists put their narcissism over the working class. An endorsement from the biggest podcaster in the world? Nope! Sorry he said a mean thing. How narcissistic can you be? How do we make the left sane again? Its hard to attract more working class people because idiots like Maza who have hijacked the left.

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What the fuck happened in /ve/

I've always been perplexed by the argument of >But Venezuela I have a base-understanding that there's more at play than 'Ha ha Socialism', but I can't seem to find to a conclusive answer. So what in the fuckity happened y'all?

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Tucker Carlson is doing more for the working class than any of you ever will.

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/Agitprop/ General

A thread for sharing agitprop in all forms you've found or created yourself as well as any tips, tricks and general advice for creating and spreading agitprop online and offline.

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Doomsday Clock

The Doomsday Clock, if you don't know, is a representation of how close mankind is to annihilation (the closer the clock is to midnight, the closer we are). It was established in 1947 by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. Today, they have moved the clock to 100 seconds to midnight, which is the closest it has EVER been. What do you guys think? Are we fucked or is there some way to get out of this?

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News 1/23/20

Extradition Hearing for Julian Assange Will be Split in Two The extradition hearings for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has been split in two, with the second taking place in May, according to a ruling made by a judge on Thursday, January 23rd. New Zealand Greens support military build-up As part of Adern’s Labour-led coalition government, which includes the anti-immigrant NZ First, the Greens are playing a significant role in one of New Zealand’s biggest military build-ups since World War II. Guaido Has Links With Money Launderer Defended by Rudy Giuliani Venezuela's Communication Minister Jorge Rodriguez Thursday informed that international media have disclosed data on the links between opposition lawmaker Juan Guaido and Alejandro Betancourt, who is being investigated by the United States justice for money laundering. ‘A landmark achievement’: Pakistan test-launches new surface-to-surface ballistic missile (VIDEO) Pakistan has once again tested Ghaznavi, a surface-to-surface ballistic missile that can carry a range of warheads, including nuclear ones, with an operating range of 290 km. This is the missile’s second successful launch. Germany bans neo-Nazi organization Combat 18 Deutschland More than 200 police officers carried out raids in six German states early Thursday, seizing cellphones, computers, unspecified weaponry, Nazi memorabilia and propaganda material, the Interior Ministry said. Donald Trump invites Israeli leaders to Washington to hear peace plan details Donald Trump has invited Israel’s prime minister and leader of the opposition to Washington for talks on the “prospects of peace”, signalling that the White House was preparing to share details of its long-awaited “ultimate deal” for Israelis and Palestinians. Polish parliament OKs law allowing gov’t to punish judges Poland’s lawmakers gave their final approval Thursday to legislation that will allow politicians to fire judges who criticize their decisions, a change that European legal experts warn will undermine judicial independence. Russians See Pollution as a Greater Threat Than Terrorism – Poll Russians believe that environmental pollution poses a greater threat to humanity than terrorism, according to the results of an independent Levada Center survey published Thursday. Doomsday Clock nears apocalypse over climate and nuclear fears The symbolic Doomsday Clock, which indicates how close our planet is to complete annihilation, is now only 100 seconds away from midnight.

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Going Solo

Is being a solo revolutionary (for instance, in a podunk town with no local orgs) practical, at least to start off with? Can one really start a brand new revolutionary group from nothing, and if so, where would one start?

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Appealing to Precariats

Is there any consensus/plan from the Left on how we can respond to the modern material conditions of a predominantly service/consumer economy, propped up by debt and Imperialism? As in, how can we appeal to modern workers and their needs in order to agitate, educate and organize them?

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This is a thread for the discussion of guns and which ones you personally think are pretty nice Note: This is not a thread for discussing gun control. VOL NOTICE This kind of thread belongs in >>>/hobby/

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Is this the most likely future for mankind?

Idk, seems like the truest, true shit ever screened, soulful, heartfelt, potent suifuel. Is this the future of mankind under capitalism? Will the 2020s determine this fate, or is it already too late?

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Communist anime girls thread

A thread for communist anime girls

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/usapol/ - United States politics

snake edition last thread >>221382

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Fuck anime

Unpopular opinion: ban and delete anime. All these anime pictures, reaction images, videos, "memes" make you all look like children and no one will ever take us seriously. The guy who tried to shoot up the synagogue in Germany listened to anime chiptune music. /pol/ and right wingers love anime. It's reactionary garbage, even if thr characters have socialist aesthetics from time to time. In fact, all cartoon memes shouldn't be used. Who are we trying to appeal to? Children? Who cares if some "rebellious" teenager is a "communist"? They'll become a capitalist as soon as they're out of high school. If they're not, good job, but we shouldn't waste time on them. We need to appeal to people who have an ability to make a change in their communities. This means people who are legally adults. >inb4 nofunzone.jpg You have all of 4chan for your anime needs. Go play in Neverland with other man-children. And that's another thing. People cry no woman will have sex with them while their "interests" are watching cartoons. Yeah, no shit, no woman wants to fuck children you stupid fucks. tl;dr: there's no place for anime here, delete it.

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The First Personal Computer

A member of CPSU and an engineer Aresniy Gorokhov 8 years before Apple and Xerox invented the first personal computer, together with mouse and windowing system. Russian Wikipedia says that without Gorokhov, there would be no Internet today

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Luddite/AnPrim General

We're they on the right side of history? If they succeeded we wouldn't be facing the climate crisis today would we? Is capitalist technology worse for life on Earth than no technology at all?

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/leftypol/ policy poll

Here are all of the different strawpolls to determine the boards position on major policy issues, as outlined in this thread >>219167: Preferred organization structure for political movement: Fate of the state: Preferred economical structure: Preferred political system: Gun rights under socialism: Military structure: Preferred foreign stance: Preferred workplace structure: Stance on policing: Freedom of the press: Free speech: Artistic freedom:

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Documentaries Thread

Any and all recommendations for documentaries on Socialist history (Figures, Revolutions, Organized Labour, etc.) and theory would be appreciated. These can be amateur or professional productions, but they must be engaging and informative (and ideally pro-socialist/marxist). (I'm making this thread to hopefully breadpill my dad and grandad who are unfortunately brainwashed liberal and conservatives respectively, god bless them, since they don't read books.)

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For communism to be a success, architecture must be taken into account

The architecture we live and work in shapes our emotions, moods, feelings and psyches.

We must give every worker the freedom to live in housing styles of their choices, to work in buildings that give them positive outlooks. We must allow architects to design the art they are inspired to make, and not force a state sanctioned blueprint upon them.

We want humanity to thrive, to succeed, to have a high quality of life under communism. Housing should be uniform in base amenities, and size should still be given according to family unit size, but the aesthetic should have a very wide variety to cater to different people's tastes so that no one feels like they live in a depressing and restrictive environment.

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Our user count nearly doubled in a month. What happened?

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Why does he look so trustworthy? Like everytime I see his smile, I feel like everything's going to be alright.

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Literally everything is debatable. There are 1000 viewpoints and nobody actually has enough time or energy to maintain enough skepticism in order to actually read all of it and pick a side. You have to pick a worldview and just go with what feels right based on that. There is no other way to sort facts from competing viewpoints that you don't have to time to actually understand. At this point, the actual worldview and whether its true or not makes no difference, just put the ideological garb on and believe. There is no other way to function. Now that people don't rely on the same pool of "facts" anymore, there is no middle ground or understanding. Politics is solely based on resentment and anger. Facts are so numerous that they have become subjective.

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Revo When?

What do people feel are the biggest reasons as to why revolution for the proletariat of the 'first-world' imperialist countries is currently unlikely to happen -at least in the way it did in Russia and such- and what can be specifically done about this given our current material situation?

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How does materialism differ from determinism?

I've always simply understood materialism as meaning reality, our thoughts, and actions is shaped by the material, by matter, and with this I also assumed it negated free will all together. This attracted me to Marxism, as I am also a determinist, and come from a background studying eastern philosophy, but apparently I am wrong? So how do they differ?

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the "new left" was fake the whole new left was a psyop by US intelligence agencies to destroy the old left

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Who killed Stalin? Why was Stalin killed?

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Doesn't Communism also work from an egoist perspective? It is in the personal interest of the majority of people to rebel against the ruling class so that way wealth can be redistributed in a manner that benefits the majority. Tho it is true that a dictatorship of the egoist proletariats would most likely mean people taking advantage of the system for their selfish goals. Now ironically enough communism seems to also work for people with Christian set of Morals. I think it is widely known that Christian morals are about helping those in need, while this in our current society only works to support the system by fixing the side effects and not the actual problem that is causing this effects. However some Christians hold the believe that the Kingdom of God is now and it is for us to build it. Also Jesus was pretty much a down to earth prole/hippie, in one of the Gospels it actually says this: > "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven." Also Zizeks take on the holy spirit is interesting >“What is Christianity? It’s the Holy Spirit. What is the Holy Spirit? It’s an egalitarian community of believers who are linked by love for each other, and who only have their own freedom and responsibility to do it. In this sense, the Holy Spirit is here now. And down there on Wall Street, there are pagans who are worshipping blasphemous idols.” So /leftypol/, how do you think the left nowadays should use morals and ethics in order to progress our cause? Should we seek to destroy them because reactionary ideology seems to be too intrinsic in them? Or should we use the already laid morals to our own advantage, appropriating the ones that match our values and destroying those that beyond saving?

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What caused Goebbels to switch from being a Marxist to a National Socialist?

Does anyone have any more info on how Goebbels went from reading Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, being incredibly inspired by Lenin, even saying "Lenin is the second greatest man behind Hitler and the difference between the Hitler faith and Communism is slight" (As quoted in The New York Times, “Hitlerite Riot in Berlin: Beer Glasses Fly When Speaker Compares Hitler to Lenin,”). Goebbels could have been an incredible socialist, he had excellent speaking skills and should had lead the party. His background too was admirable, he struggled with physical deformities, and had a genuine hatred for capitalism early on. So again my question is how did Hitler convince him to change his views from anti-private property Marxist to Hitler's backwards ideas of socialism?

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Leftcom general

What is the difference between Bordigism, councilism and communization? I was surprised by this quote from the International Communist Party (Bordigist): >"The meaning of unitarism and of organic centralism is that the party develops inside itself the organs suited to the various functions, which we call propaganda, proselytism, proletarian organisation, union work, etc., up to tomorrow, the armed organisation; but nothing can be inferred from the number of comrades destined for such functions, as on principle no comrade must be left out of any of them." This runs counter to all the (forced? with ulterior motive?) Armchair memes you always see in association with Bordigas name in this community. If communization then is a synthesis of 'all power to the workers councils' and organic centralism, what is the theoretic result? I know it has a kind of superposition interpretation of the party, which I thought was great, and communization also has some of the best critiques I've ever read of other tendencies (specifically autonomism, Communalism, Leninism and social democracy). I guess I wanna know how how praxis looks like via communization theory (councils, strikes, propaganda, insurrection, revolution, production, mutual aid?). When I saw what happened in Ecuador recently and what's continually happening in France and Chile, it makes me think of these theories and their immanent relevance.

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Is this book a good basis for understanding the War in Syria and the Refugee Crisis.

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What is maoism in the 21st century

I've seen people say it's like communism without a class component and compare it to the very worst of SJW tactics. But what exactly is maoism these days? can someone give me the run down?

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Was Robespierre based?

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Spreading (largely left leaning) unorthodox thought

Hey, I have been wondering if anyone would be interested in trying to spread unorthodox thought to the online public. What exactly? I'm planning on setting up an online group for production of media (posters, flyers, infographs, articles) that stand against market and liberalism as solution to modern problems. I would want it to focus on problems in the economy and ecology and offer post-capitalist solutions to them. Their job is to explain the capitalist system to a lay person in easy and understandable way inspired by leftist thought. how would it be organized? My intention is to set up a chat on some online platform and split up the workload between people. The exact organization would depend on the size and what not. We'll bother ourselves about that in detail if it gets to an size which would make it necesarry. what skills can I contribute with? anything and everything relating to the topics. If you think you can help with theory, be my guest. If it is art you are welcome too. I will need some way to verify you are not a /pol/yp, so that will be the only restriction. Don't take this as a job. It's an online project that you can contribute with if you have free time. I will never expect anyone to rush something and I have no intention of larping as a boss. If people are interested I'll set up something tomorrow or over the weekend. I'll make myself somehow known as the OP Side note, this project isn't exactly for "socialism". While post-capitalism is certainly leftism, this project will focus on modern theory. This isn't about endorsing the SU or the free territory. Example: Cockshott (as an important theorist), and in turn Marxism, i'm fine with. Posting numbers of how many people Stalin didn't kill I am not. /POL/YPS NOT WELCOME

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ITT: most retarded anticommunist "arguments"

For me as someone who lives in a post-Soviet country the most brainlet and anti-reality argument has got to be "COMMUNISM IS ANTI-CULTURE" My family still has shelves with 100s of books they got in the USSR, real books like obscure classical works or science ones. You CAN'T find most of them in stores anymore because they have been replaced with lowest common denominator schlock like 50 shades of grey or cheap fantasy novels. You have to go to a specialized library to find books you could buy at any bookstore in the USSR. Little surprise that the USSR used to be "the most reading country". Socialism built and supported theaters, museums, cinemas etc and most importantly it made them available to the entire population instead of a small leisurely elite. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to call the USSR the most cultured country in history if the criteria is the total number of people with access to "high culture" like classical music and theater. Don't even get me started on Soviet contributions to the art world like Prokofiev, Tarkovsky etc. Classical arts were preserved and promoted, folk culture was supported too. The only culture socialism "destroyed" was religion and culture of the ruling classes like decadent balls. That's what reactionaries truly bemoan. It doesn't matter that 99% of the population went from ignorant peasants to educated people who can appreciate intellectual and aesthetic pursuits, a few nobles couldn't have their shitty dances and lavish palaces all to themselves anymore, so CULTURE WAS LITERALLY DESTROYED!!11 You'd have to be completely ignorant of history and reality to say "socialism is anti-culture", or be a lying reactionary who by "culture" means "when you praise Jesus and kill nigs". It's especially annoying to hear this from Russian right-wing zoomers who know nothing but fortnite and low-brow americanized tv entertainment, and somehow blame socialism for this state of affairs instead of capitalist restoration.

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Books for a solid understanding of socialism in general?

So I am far-right and thus usually just browse /pol/ but, I feel I do not know enough about socialism as a whole, so I wanted to know what are some good books to get a solid understanding of socialism in general?

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Is it a bad idea to wear a DPRK patch on my jacket in the USA?

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News 1/22/20

Five Star leader Di Maio steps down as shaky Italian coalition seeks to avoid snap election Luigi Di Maio has resigned as leader of the anti-establishment Five Star Movement in a step that will shake up Italian politics and prompt fears of a snap election after months of internal party dissent and coalition infighting. Bolivia: MAS Presidential Candidate Becomes Target of Lawfare Bolivia's Office of the Prosecutor expanded an investigation against Evo Morales' former officials, among whom is Luis Arce, the Movement to Towards Socialism (MAS) presidential candidate. Shots fired at SPD constituency office in Halle, Germany On the morning of 15 January, five bullet holes were discovered in the window of Karamba Diaby’s constituency office in Halle, Germany. UK lawmakers remove child-migrants promise from Brexit bill British lawmakers have overturned changes to the government’s flagship Brexit bill made by Parliament’s House of Lords, removing a promise to reunite child refugees with their families in the U.K. 'There was no chemical attack in Douma': OPCW mission member speaks out at UN Engineer Ian Henderson was part of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) team investigating the alleged chlorine attack in April 2018, which was used as a pretext for US, British and French strikes on the Syrian capital. Masked gunmen kill local commander of Iran's security forces The slain commander, Abdolhossein Mojaddami, headed the Basij forces, a paramilitary wing of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) used for internal security and other tasks, in the town of Darkhoein. Panama begins exhumation of victims from 1989 US invasion Forensic workers took preliminary steps Monday for digging up the remains of some victims of the 1989 U.S. invasion of Panama, an effort that has lifted the hopes of Panamanians who had relatives die or disappear and have lived with unanswered questions about their fate for 30 years. Wealth gap widening for more than 70% of global population, researchers find Inequality has reached unprecedented levels, with more than 70% of the global population living in countries where the wealth gap is growing, according to a new UN report. Super-rich elites making London 'off-limits' London has become the "epicentre of the elites" in the UK, making it "off limits" for young people from poorer backgrounds, says a social mobility charity. Global poll: A majority believes that capitalism does more harm than good Fifty-six percent of respondents said they agreed with the statement, "Capitalism as it exists today does more harm than good in the world." That belief was expressed by a majority across age group, gender and income level divides. In fact, there were just six markets where the majority of respondents did not agree — Australia, Canada, the U.S., South Korea, Hong Kong and Japan.

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how do i dismantle this argument?

>You find a job >You agree to an amount of pay >You sign a contract with your boss >Therefore, capitalism is legitimate

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Questions from an outsider

How many of you actually support China? I understand that you are leftists but isn't China a form of state capitalism? What are your opinions on the sweatshops, on the repressions, on the censorship, on the political prisons? Surely, this is not very humanitarian. I understand that China is the big ideological opponent to the US and maybe that's why you hold on to it. Undoubtedly China has progressed A LOT, but that does not justify my problems with it.

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Newfag here, want to learn about Marxism, where do I start?

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/usapol/ - United States politics

2 weeks until Iowa edition Last thread: >>215645

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Anyone kind of amazed by the potential of the working class?

The workers have the most potential out of any class in history, while other social systems could merely either assist mankind in its struggle with nature or all mankind to dominate nature (in the grand scheme of things outside of human - human conflicts). Capitalism came and allowed, seemingly domination of the whole world by some humans, by capitalists, but in their rise capitalists created their own destroyer, seemingly the first oppressed class with a potential to destroy the class system itself, the first class in history with the potential to liberate mankind. In the end, the victory of the workers or at least Marx seems inevitable, for long socialists have said capitalism is obviously unstable and will not last forever, now it is clear that capitalism cannot survive the 21st Century, the multi-spectrum crisis of capitalist society is such that the only choices it is faced with are suicide, either finally either delete itself or be destroyed, allowing for the higher social form of socialism to deal with the crises of the future, or to simply trigger the extinction of mankind. Either way capitalism is doomed. Already capitalism is making it so that, economically the only way society will be able to function is socialism, overaccumulation seems poised to cause the largest crisis in history, automation will destroy the law of value, and seemingly even imperialism might be reversed as developed economies find more profitable investments within their domestic sectors specifically due to increasing automation. Either way, it's over.

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Fash to ML Pipeline

Why are so many Marxist-Leninists (and some Maoists) former fascists? Just from going on this board and on social media I've noticed that many MLs used to be right wing or even fascist. Especially the 'anti revisionist' type. I don't see the same thing happening for leftcoms or anarchists. I myself am a Maoist, but I've always been on the left my entire life, so rest assured that this isn't bait. Im genuinely curious.

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I've encountered some people that keep romanticizing the "industrial worker of the 20th century" and the aesthetics of the past century in general. The thing is, in the West, are these proles the majority? I would like to see some data on the composition of the working class in the West.

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"Breadlines Everywhere"

Anyone have any films, photos, eye-witness testimonies and other first-hand resources to prove to my lovely-but-brainwashed dad that the people of the USSR, East Germany, Cuba, North Korea, etc. aren't (or weren't) constantly starving and stuck with crap goods and thought police (and other typical claims)?

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Why vote liberal or liberal with racist characteristics?

I sure am not the only here who was wondering this. The only reasons I can think of they do so well in elections is 1: NO ALTERNATIVE TO THE MARKET 2: HATING PEOPLE OF COLOR 3: FEARING CAPITAL FLIGHT The issue here is that the first one doesn't make sense. Even if you fully took the liberal pill, you still wouldn't want things like affordable healthcare or cheap housing to go away. >MUH STATE MADE IT EXPENSIVE Both of those things were cheaper during larger state involvement in the west and boomers should know that. Number 3 makes sense since national resources can be mismanaged, but crisis every decade shows that's possible too without government intervention. Help me understand these people, I struggle with it. You would nearly always expect the suc-dems to win even if everyone trully believed to the fullest in the market, yet they are always behind these two movements.

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I think I heard once that Hitler was elected to a commune councilman or leadership position back during the German Revolution of 1918-1919 or the Spartacist Uprising or something. Does anyone know what I'm referring to or is my memory shitting itself? I thought I saw someone post about this on /leftypol/ before with proof but I can't seem to dig anything up.

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News 1/21/20

Brazilian prosecutors charge journalist Glenn Greenwald with cybercrimes Brazilian federal prosecutors have charged the American journalist Glenn Greenwald for cybercrimes in a decision which has prompted outrage among press freedom activists – and celebration by allies of far-right president Jair Bolsonaro. North Korea won’t be bound by old commitments if US continues ‘most brutal and inhuman sanctions’ – senior diplomat A North Korean envoy in Geneva has warned that denuclearization is impossible if the US maintains its “hostile policies,” pushing Pyongyang to seek a “new path” from the stalled bilateral talks. Changing tack, French strikers turn off power to press govt Opening another front in their battle against the French government, protesting workers cut power to thousands of Parisians on Tuesday, plunging homes into darkness and shutting down trains to one of the capital’s main airports. U.S. urges China to join nuclear arms talks with Russia The United States urged China on Tuesday to join trilateral nuclear arms talks with Moscow, calling Beijing’s secrecy around growing stockpiles a “serious threat to strategic stability”. Tories' ‘disastrous’ universal credit scheme to make low-income families worse off Although benefit claimants will gain on average £1 a week more after the switch to UC is completed, think tank Resolution Foundation argued this figure ignores stark geographical differences across the country. Germany: New links found between Lübcke murder, neo-fascist NSU and the secret service The links between the series of murders carried out by the neo-Nazi terrorist group National Socialist Underground (NSU), the murder of Kassel’s District President Walter Lübcke (Christian Democratic Union, CDU) and the secret service are closer than previously known. ‘I'd rather be found dead in a ditch’: Durham Miners’ chief triggers Tory MPs after telling them to stay away from annual event He explained that the reason Boris Johnson’s party is not welcome is because “they did their best to absolutely destroy the Durham miners and the miners of Great Britain,” particularly during Margaret Thatcher’s premiership in the early to mid 1980s. Former Interpol President Sentenced To Prison In China For Corruption Meng pleaded guilty last year to using his position in China to finagle more than $2 million in bribes between 2005 and 2017. Prior to his 2016 election as Interpol president, he served more than a decade as China's vice minister of public security. Mexico begins flying, busing migrants back to Honduras Hundreds of Central American migrants who waded across a river into Mexico in hopes of eventually reaching the U.S. were sent back to their homeland or retreated across the border Tuesday after Mexican troops blocked their way. Malaysia returns thousands of tons of trash to wealthy countries, says it refuses to be their "garbage dump" Malaysia will no longer allow other countries to dump their plastic waste on its land. The country has successfully returned 150 containers of plastic waste to 13 mostly wealthy nations since the end of last year.

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What the fuck is emotional labor and how is it not unmarxist horseshit?

Is that just the current radlib/radfem way of saying "not being a sociopathic cunt"? As far as I've read, emotional labor seems to be when someone, usually a woman, is expected to show kindness and compassion when someone is in emotional pain/turmoil, rather than telling them to fucking kill themselves for being weak I guess. Saw some radfem ranting on gendercritical about how difficult "emotional labor" and how ebil penis havers don't acknowledge all the hard work that goes into not being a cunt. Like, wut?

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/bant/ How's work? How's organizing? Any interesting happenings locally? Anything interesting you've read recently? /bant/ thread

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Is it finally time we do something about these pricks? We seriously need to get rid of these filthy idpol liberals who were influenced by the writings of these fools who corrupted Freud's philosophy, Hegelian method and what fucking not. If we truly want Left to be great again and finally liberate ourselves, we must destroy these people who are behind the rise of reactionary culture.

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This is the best praxis, change my mind

You may not like it, but this is what the ideal communist party looks like: Party members are members of both trade and tenants unions, not only this, but a certain department of the party will be trained so that they are active within these unions and are competent organisers in both these areas. If necessary, they can go knocking on doors and organise a neighbourhood, or salt a workplace and organise a workers union. So, at this point they would be attacking rent and profit, two main drivers of capital. One that is not organised around is interest, debtors servitude. The parties union department should be developing debtors unions. This is semi uncharted territory, but a very large area of exploitation. This section of the party should be actively dedicated to organising as many workplaces and neighbourhoods of renters into unions as possible The next department of the party is the community survival department which is divided into two stages. The first stage is the organisation of community survival programs. This may be anything that benefits a community. What benefits that community must be discerned by that community, thus this must be approached in a mass line fashion. The best way to achieve this in the immediate is to go round, knocking on doors, getting information and feed back, then through the party giving the people what they need, be that food, health clinics, shelter in the form of expropriated buildings, etc. The second stage of this is the long term stage, which recognises the protracted nature of the struggle. All of these programs are the basis from which support grows, they are applied in certain communities who are receptive to them and solidified and developed, in order to strengthen the organs of working class power for the eventual crisis in capitalism coming to a head. Thus, these community survival programs must have a strong economic base to work from, this should take the form of a network of co-operatives controlled by the party, with its workers fully unionised, with taxes on the co-operatives by the party, in order to fund the gradual development of the other survival programs, which might then include co-operative housing, as well as the funding of full time union agitators and political organisers >muh co-ops this is literally in the BPP ten point program The party should also be organising around the environment, in the form of confronting and opposing polluting big business On top of this, the party should be promoting a healthy lifestyle, both physically and mentally. It should be providing both ideological and physical training. It should have an armed wing which in the immediate focuses on physical training, defence of marches, co-ops, strikers etc, but should ultimately be preparing for a defensive armed struggle, or a guerrila struggle when the time occurs. This party should stay out of electoral politics entirely, until such a time as it has local neighbourhood density across most of its national area, at this stage, they may enter parliament in an attempt to take it over. Before that, this is wasted energy and will only demoralise the party members and working class. >In 1991 the CUT were victorious. They were offered 1,200 hectares of the El Humoso farm which was turned into a co-operative based around the production of olives, artichokes, green beans and broccoli. Crops were selected by the co-operative that would need the greatest amount of human labour thereby living up to the collective’s philosophy of creating jobs rather than profit. >Every member of the co-operative earns the same daily salary of €47 (£39.40) for six-and-a-half hours’ work — which is more than double the Spanish minimum wage. Workers are called out in groups via loudspeaker. Decisions about the co-operative including, for example, which crops to farm, are made collectively in village general assemblies. Residents aren’t forced to become members of the co-operative and those who don’t sign up can still play an active part in the political struggle. >As a result of the co-operative, unemployment in Marinaleda is very low in a region which had around 36 per cent unemployment during the post-2008 financial crisis (up to 56 per cent for those aged 18 to 24) compared to 27 per cent in Spain as a whole. In fact during the crisis, when the profitable Spanish construction trade collapsed, unemployment figures in Marinaleda were arguably only caused by internal migrants from other parts of Spain. >Housing in Marinaleda is very different to the Spanish norm. The Ayuntamento, as the local government is known, has bought and expropriated thousands of square metres of land in order to convert it into communal property. Prospective residents have to donate 450 days of their own work to the construction of their new homes using materials provided by the local administration and assistance from professional builders. >The hours spent by the resident on construction are then deducted from the total cost of their house — with a monthly payment of €15.52 (£13.20) to achieve ownership. More than 350 homes have been built in this co-operative fashion in a village of less than 3,000 people. Homes are three bedrooms with a patio. However in order to preserve the special character of the project residents cannot sell their homes. >Marinaleda has few police officers with supporters of the “communist village” arguing that with little unemployment and inequality there is very little crime. Avenida Da Libertad is the main thoroughfare through the village with the man attractions including an amphitheatre, workers’ sports ground, house of culture, vegetable canning factory, a library and the “Sindactio” trade union bar. There are also seven privately owned bars and cafes in the village — but multinationals are not welcome.

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Republic of Great Britain soon edition. >he's still alive, we swear!

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Should we vote and if so how should we vote? Do we never participate in the state until a chance at revolution, like some sort of passive non-cooperation. Do you vote no matter what, usually for the farthest left candidate. The voting system itself matters. Do you vote just to make sure the person you most don't want doesn't take power? Do you only vote when you feel like it?

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urban squatting/homeless survival

I need help surviving as homeless in an urban city in Spain. i came here to ask because i know leftists are solidarity with the poor and the squatter movement has ties to antifa.

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Audio thread

Post audio sources

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Is it true the Soviet Union ruined the Aral Sea? Are there any other ecological disasters that are often attributed to Soviet fault which are in fact not?

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Do people understand how much politics today is tightly related to narcissism? The population gets psychologically abused from birth in the form of gaslighting, and this makes them unable to function at a high intellectual level. Even people with high IQ that get abused as kids often turn into sociopaths and so on. The left represents people who see the problems in the world are not any specific bad actor(s): men, women, white people, black people, etc. You could even argue that many rich non-sociopathic people are complicit because of their own limitations: it does not easily occur to them what to do about this massive evil system we all live in. As a guy born in a first world country I feel impotent to improve the lives of the billions of humans starving to death. But because the left represents a more intelligent approach than blaming any specific bad actor, that is, because it represents a more intelligent if not intellectual approach to solving the world's problems, it also attracts narcissists the same way the fields of law, law enforcement, and political power also attract narcissists. So we end up in a situation where someone who has managed to detect the evil in mainstream media has 2 primary choices: 1. join the 'alt-right', a bunch of racists, or 2. join the narcissistic pseudointellectuals (the 'left') If you pick 1, you get to hate on people of different races. If you pick 2, you get to hate on white people. People have been so heavily and systemically abused via gaslighting from MSM that it is almost unreasonable to expect them to not lash out and find someone to hate. The problem this poses for the left is that it prevents it from growing into an actual revolutionary movement. There are too many people on 'the left' that just want to demonize the right (I am criticizing the left because what is the point of criticizing the right; it's obvious ethno-nationalism is a dead end). Take for example some leftist who is in pain and wants to go: haha look at this dumb fucking redneck that wants to keep his gun. Well how exactly do you expect a revolution to work if you are chomping at the bit to find anyone you can call morally inferior? The left will continue to eat itself if there is more censorship and gaslighting and more abuse inflicted on our population. We cannot grow with insular narcissism. My question is: what can be done to raise awareness of this, of this problem with the left? Where can I find a community of people who understand this? I will probably always have a fondness for chans but we can't deny they are often used as places for people to vent their negative feelings and simply want to feel better by insulting some anonymous internet stranger. Is this really the best there is? Is there any hope of dialing back the narcissism whose flames have been fanned into an inferno by Twitter/Facebook/Snapchat/TikTok/etc? It's not easy for people to recover after long periods of personality malformation resulting from the self-perpetuating narcissistic behavior. People have been turned into little passive aggressive balls of rage with no personality and only brutish and embarrassing hate to spew on social media, and it is extremely disgusting. What can be done about this?

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Stalin Note

>The Stalin Note, also known as the March Note, was a document delivered to the representatives of the Western allied powers (the United Kingdom, France, and the United States) from the Soviet Occupation in Germany on March 10, 1952. Soviet leader Joseph Stalin put forth a proposal for a reunification and neutralization of Germany, with no conditions on economic policies and with guarantees for "the rights of man and basic freedoms, including freedom of speech, press, religious persuasion, political conviction, and assembly" and free activity of democratic parties and organizations. What was his endgame, /leftypol/? Was it all a ruse, a bluff waiting to be called out?

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exploitation, working conditions and leisure

Marx specifically referred to exploitation as how much surplus value a capitalist can get away with extracting from workers. I'm assuming that capitalists tend to pay more for miserable work, all other things being equal. So it seems that suffering also determines value, in the LTV. Is this true? As far as I know socially necessary labor time doesn't seem to factor in subjective working conditions. As much as more worker power and access to the means of production helps, some work is just intrinsically more pleasant than other kinds. I also believe that extra leisure time is necessary for difficult working conditions, in order to rest. I'm pretty sure Marx didn't say this though. What do communists think about leisure?

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A place to discuss and share resources on Psychological Warfare Operations ('PSYOPS'), both historical and current in an effort to use the Imperialist's tactics against them in our own agitprop and campaigning.

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If the USSR had "won" the cold war tensions between the US and Russia would probably resume, but instead of being about capitalism vs socialism it would be about who implemented socialism the "right" way, same as what between them and China in 1960s.

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Can you guys explain the history of and give me your takes of the moscoe trials as well as provide me some links to future reading? Were they justified? Was there really evidence? Or was it just a ploy to kill all of the opposition off in the party? And as a side question, was it really necessary to shoot so many people during the purge?

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Are we winning?

According to a new global survey, 56% of people say that capitalism does "does more harm than good".

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Soulless Chinese meme You can find many videos like this one and the comments are always the same: the Chinese have no soul and they are individualistic. Once I made a question in the /prc/ thread about this exact subject, about how did these general views of the Chinese as bug people with no emotions or values came to be so popular in pretty much every part of the world (I'm Méxican and my family talks about the Chinese in such a way sometimes, not even from these videos but from their practice of eating dogs) Honestly it's not hard for the average person to see these videos, and unless they have no prejudices, to not think there's something fucked up going on in China. My point with this thread is to discuss this, to rationalize the stereotypes, or to accept that there may be certain customs in China that may be a bit troublesome.

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Praxis, Praxis, Praxis!

As a NEET in the UK with no friends or extended family nearby, surrounded by Libs + Conservatives in a previously rural turned commuter town, what might be the best praxis for furthering the cause in my specific case? NOTE: I've been trying to get my head around Mao's 'Mass Line' concept as a means of spreading Socialist ideas along with mutual aid and establishing dual power structures, but i'm still not sure how to apply it practically for myself right now.

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I have accepted that, even though humanity will succumb to fascism and barbarity before ever thinking about socialism, I'll still be here to document all this terror for the future generations so that they don't repeat our mistake.

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Anyone here into Muslimgauze? Thoughts on his music and political views? I've heard him described as an "extreme anti-imperialist" but the more I read about him, I'm starting to wonder if he ever had a principled anti-imperialist stance or if he just fetishized arabs and muslims as a kind of noble savage thing. He died more than 20 years ago but it wouldn't surprise me if he would have viewed ISIS as brave holy warriors and resistance fighters or something if he was still alive. He was, as I understand, pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas, pro-PFLP, pro-Hezbollah, pro-Iran, pro-Khomeini, pro-Saddam Hussein, anti-USA and anti-Israel. Leftists are obviously, for example, anti-Israel as well but it doesn't seem like he had anything close to a coherent leftist understanding of imperialism. His politics almost seems like a strawman/caricature someone like Bill Maher or Sam Harris would conjure to smear actual left anti-Zionists and anti-imperialists. The music is almost all instrumental. The political messages are in the track/album titles, album covers and in various interviews. Anyway, some tunes:

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Thoughts on the Bosnian War and the subsequent death of Yugoslavia?

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Thread for economics. Post videos, blog posts, interviews, books, images, etc. A primer on the content would be great instead of just posting links without context. Michael Roberts' blog: Michael Hudson's blog: Richard Wolff's youtube channel: Anwar Shaikh's Capitalism lectures: Paul Cockshott's youtube channel:

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/zeit/ Socialist Zeitgeist

Didn't know where to post this article so I thought why not make a general for "socialism in the news" and polls and other such things. A 2020 Reminder: 55% of US Women Between 18 and 54 Would Rather Live Under Socialism Than Capitalism >Not raving Marxists clamoring for state-run economy, evidence shows four in 10 Americans overall would rather live in country that provides "universal health care, tuition-free education, and a decent day's wage for a decent day's work."

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Rail Appreciation Thread

It's that time again. Post trams and trains and other rail vehicles. Both vehicles from AES and c*pitalist countries welcome.

I am looking for this one very aesthetic picture of a tram going down a grassy incline. I think it was from Czechoslovakia but not sure.

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new-fag question

how would anarchism actually work?

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>Hudson identifies himself as a Marxist economist, but his interpretation of Karl Marx is different from most other Marxists...Although Hudson's views are unpopular amongst other Marxists and sometimes vehemently rejected by them, his views converge with later writings of Marx himself. I have babybrain and wikipedia's explanations are always hard to read. Can somebody explain to me the main controversy between hudson's views and other marxists?

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A tribute to Soviet soldier!

This guy is your friend and your hero, he'll fight for your freedom and protect you from any imperialist invaders. Your survival and well-being is his top priority.

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Higher education for scientific socialism

What subjects would be best for garnering an academic base for dialectical and historical materialism, scientific socialism? Since I can hardly find any courses in "Marxian economics", and I strongly doubt that the usual economics departments carry such courses, I started to open up more to the value of the following three: · History · Anthropology · Sociology Considering hismat (History) Polanyi (Anthropology) and social conflict (sociology) I've kind of gotten stuck here. Could some of you voice your views on this? I'm sure I'm not the first who've been at this stage. Right now I'm edging towards excluding history, since it's not a proper science and would classify closer to the humanities in contemporary curriculum (unlike the historical social science Anthropology), but then I'm thinking about the fact that Marx analyzed his immediate society, and that would go more with Sociology (a lot of the courses actually seem to cover Marx and class to my surprise). Anyway, confused commie student here asking for some help/guidance for the near-future.

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Are they based?

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news 1/20/20

Morales' party names election runners for Bolivia vote A former foreign minister and a coca farmer are the front-runners to be on the ticket for exiled Bolivian President Evo Morales’ political party in the May elections in the South American country, officials said on Friday. Venezuelan President Proposes Respectful Dialogue With US Gov't In an exclusive interview with The Washington Post, published this weekend, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro proposed dialogue with the United States, which would establish a different relationship between both countries. Far-right group threatens to disrupt Bloody Sunday memorial service in Glasgow The National Defence League (NDL), which regularly posts anti-Islam, anti-Irish and anti-migrant messaging online, has threatened to disrupt a parade remembering the massacre in the city centre on Saturday. Norway populist party quits coalition over 'Isis bride' repatriation The departure of the populist, rightwing party means the prime minister, Erna Solberg, no longer has a parliamentary majority, but she said she would stay on at the head of a minority government with her two remaining coalition partners. Houthi rebels kill at least 70 soldiers in Yemen after attack on mosque Yemen's president condemned on Sunday an attack by Houthi rebels on a government military camp, as authorities said fatalities had risen to at least 79 troops. Angola vows to force return of Isabel dos Santos by 'all possible means' Angola’s prosecutor general, Hélder Pitra Grós, said on Angolan public radio on Monday that the country would use “all possible means and activate international mechanisms to bring Dos Santos back to the country”. Brexit: Government loses first parliamentary votes since election They also voted to remove ministers' power to decide which EU Court of Justice rulings can be disregarded or set aside by UK courts and tribunals.Ministers will aim to reverse the moves when the bill returns to the Commons.With a majority of 80, the government will be confident of getting its way. Destructive Hail And A Massive Dust Storm Descend On Fire-Ravaged Australia Australia's southeast was already dealing with the terrible effects of historic bushfires and huge smoke clouds. Then Canberra, Melbourne and other places were hit by golf-ball-sized hail that destroyed car windshields, killed birds and shredded the leaves off trees. 'Global Precedent' Set as UN Rules Climate Refugees Cannot Be Sent Back to Life-Threatening Conditions Human rights advocates on Monday applauded a "ground-breaking" ruling by a United Nations panel which stated that climate refugees seeking asylum cannot legally be sent back to their home countries if they face life-threatening conditions due to the climate crisis.

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was he right, /leftypol/?

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Do you believe that Humans will go extinct any time in the near future?

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Is violent revolution possible any more given the fact that we've taken lead out of the gasoline? It seems people are far too docile to do it these days.

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What did he mean by this?

>Against Marxism and socialism, let us affirm that the economy and economic interests in all their forms have always exercised — and always will exercise — a subordinate function in normal humanity; that history and every healthy sociopolitical structure are determined by forces of a different sort; and that the fundamental fallacy is to believe that material, environmental factors and conditions of affluence, wealth, or poverty play a decisive role for real human progress.

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Would you ever ally with Fascists to defeat a common enemy?

If so in what plausible scenarios could this ever play out?

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Virginia Protest General: Extra 'Murican Edition

What it is: Habbening in VA on January 2Oth

What type of happening: Right-wing rally and possible revolution/civil war.

4pol thread:

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>Be a communist worker You don't know anything about economics! You've never run a company plus your own stuff what a hypocrite! >Be a communist capitalist/petty bourgeois What a hypocrite! You own a company and exploit workers! Move to North Korea! >Be a communist NEET You've never even had a job so how can you speak for the proletariat! Plus you've never run a company so you don't know anything about economics! Is there any way to win the lifestylist game?

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>After much weaseling in “Dreams and Telepathy,” Freud blurted out his conviction that “sleep creates favourable conditions for telepathy”—a point that he repeated in “Dreams and Occultism.”[58] For Freud, not even the inaccuracy of a dream prophecy disqualified it from being deemed telepathic. His inclination was to believe that a given dream, bearing only an approximate resemblance to an event elsewhere, must have been obliquely prophetic. “We must admit,” he wrote in one instance, “that it is only the interpretation of the dream that has shown us that it was a telepathic one: psycho-analysis has revealed a telepathic event which we should not otherwise have discovered.”[59] A scientist wielding Occam’s razor would have proceeded in the opposite spirit, judging, à la Hume, that a rough correspondence between dream and reality is far too weak to warrant belief in the miracle of telepathic transmission.
>The miraculous, however, had become everyday reality for Freud, and not always to the benefit of his equanimity. He felt himself to be almost literally pursued by bad fortune, and he engaged in propitiatory acts to ward it off. Seized by existential fear, he was convinced that the fates had determined just when he was going to die. When the appointed year, at age fifty-one, left him still breathing, he didn’t decide that he could now think about himself more objectively; he rejuggled the magic formula and arrived at a new terminus: sixty-one. Meanwhile, telephone numbers and the numbers of hotel rooms held frightening messages for him.[60]
58  The Standard Edition of the Complete Psychological Works of Sigmund Freud, 18:219; 22:37.
59  Standard Edition, 22:38; emphasis as found.
60  4/16/09; The Freud/Jung Letters 1974, pp. 218–220.
🤤Who else is a Freudo-Marxist here🤤

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How can I educate myself on the holocaust as a communist? I find that more often than not the conversation surrounding it is dominated mostly by screeching /pol/tards and less than honest liberals, and it makes the truth harder to find. No fascist lies or liberal exaggerations, please. THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED, AND IT WAS JUST AS BAD AS PEOPLE SAY IT WAS, THIS BOARD IS NOT A FREE-FOR-ALL. FURTHER DENIALISM WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. regards, the mod team

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Bernie Sanders

Does he stand a chance at: 1. Securing the DNC nomination? 2. Defeating Trump in the general? 3. Enacting M4A? GND? 4. Transforming the country?

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How would technology be different if the USSR won the Cold War? Would discontinued shit like the unmanned space probes program, OGAS, or the Ekranoplan survive?
The bigger question for me is that it’s becoming harder and harder to see technological developments without the profit motive, planned obsolescence, or outright sabotage of your own products like in capitalism. Could this hypothetical USSR keep developing new technology the same way it did?

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Let be specific, if you coom here and there obviously that's fine, but never been a slave to thoughts, to your petty desires. Being a coomer reinforces the impotent, lethargic, anti-social, narcissistic worldview of late stage capitalism/liberalism, you live for revolution not for "I". I know I'm going to be called a reactionary, but if you want to be a revolutionary you must be a revolutionary person not someone who is a slave to their desires, to things that weaken you, make you apathetic and feeling defeated. Yes, the world is fucked, but the silver lining is that it's always darkest before dawn and there's no way capitalism will last forever.

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>became a white nationalist at 17 >Big Trump guy until last year >Always economically leftist >Get disillusioned with Trump and conservatism in general >realize American radical right politics is a literal ponzi scheme meant to take disillusioned young people and lead them down a false road of revolutionary fervor for the wrong cause with the ultimate expectationn of burning them out or getting them vanned by the FBI >Hatred for global liberal capitalism intensifies >Admiration for the Old Bolsheviks >Replace hatred for brown people for TROTS >now a full blown marxist-leninist you won this one leftypol AMA

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Press F to pay your respects

101 years ago today.

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Would the USSR have survived it they had adopted Titoism?

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Housing market

Is there a better system than a housing market to distribute shelter?

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Taking inspiration from Futurism

Both modern Fascists and Marxists suffer from not being forward thinking, from being reactionary. Some of the left wants some sort of idyllic USSR modern world and the right wants the 1950s. Both fail at being progressive and creating a visionary goal, an actual movement. I think we can learn a lot from futurism and apply it to our goals not verbatim, but understanding to be forwarded thinking, revolutionary, and artful. Good video on Futurism > Futurism wiki >

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marxist derivations suck

outside of the far left marxists, of councils and commune fame, and obviously the anarchist thought inspired by some of marx's beliefes: most marxist derivatives are both oppositional of marx's intentions and thinking. as well as ineffectual ways of creating long term change. <leninists, maoists etc are memes who bought into lies of revolutionary works like /the state and revolution/ >anarchist praxis is the only real change brought by the left soz for unrelated pic

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Podcast reccomendations

Hello everyone Lately I've been listening to Chapo Trap House, and even though they are funny, witty, informative and overall entertaining, they are a very liberal for my taste, and their conclusions and opinions on things almost reach the conclusion point, but always end up one or two steps down the line. Im looking for good leftists podcasts, wether they deal with theory, history, current events, humour or whatever the case. Random image from one of my favorite cartoonists, Enrique Cedillo, a communist from Mexico member of the Mexican Communist Party (PCM).

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RAIM is dead A few years ago during my M3W-days, I even translated some texts for them. Well, good bye.

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Settlers is a controversial work. I have my opinions after having read it and interacted with its fan base. That isn't the point of this thread though. I want to know who J. Sakai is. Does anyone know what the J even stands for? Why doesn't he have a wikipedia page? He's supposedly done a handful of interviews with some obscure lefty publications but their authenticity cannot be verified. There are no pictures of J. Sakai on the internet. His life story is a jumble of rumors. Nobody even knows if he's alive anymore. Supposedly he was a Japanese American who was put in an internment camp during WWII and later became active in the west coast radical scene during the 70's and 80's. That is literally all we know. Am I really that crazy for entertaining the idea that this man is entirely fictional? A glowie even? Nobody else in the world (besides maybe Qanon) commands this much implicit cult-like trust among his fans despite lacking any public presence.

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/pol/ starting shit with antifa to divide pro-gun rallies in virginia Bump this thread. /pol/ hatched a plan to dox everybody at a pro-gun rally to btfo the libs. We must convince them that doing so will only benefit the virginia government. We have a chance to build a pro-gun left in the USA, and we must not be denied this opportunity. Also read this article to help understand the situation.

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/leftypol/ policy concensus poll

So, why am I posting this? Simple, because the ideology poll is highly flawed and quite possibly unrepresentative of the boards actual beliefs and only fueling sectarian disputes. Some problems with it are: 1) Too wide definitions. An ML can be anyone from someone who thinks Lenin offered the best theoretical analysis and strategies to ultra tanks. A libsoc can be someone who really likes Rosa or an Ancap with a human face. 2) Ideology doesn't have always have a definite list of what policies, which in the wide scheme of things is the only thing that is important. Thus I have decided to create multiple polls, each asking what would be your prefered policies that ideally you would want to see implemented in how society runs. I have not made the polls yet, as I would like to get the boards input on what other possible policies should be added / removed to the vote, or if an aditional subset of policies relating to something I have overlooked should be added. Right now this is the rough layout for polls: (PS I have decided to not add polls about idpol related issues) (PPS if this gets traction, I will try to post the polls in a separate thread tomorrow around this time) (PPPS I would especially appreciate input from anarchists / ancoms since I might be not too familiar with your preferred policies, thus might have missed them from adding to the list) Preferred organization structure for political movement: • Mass workers party • Labour unions • Decentralized groups • Spontaneous action Preferred economical structure: • Planned economy (Soviet type) • Planned economy (automated) • Bird cage • Market socialism • Mixed economy • Free market Preferred political system: • Revolutionary dictatorship • One-party democracy • Trade union rule • Direct democracy (officials elected by sortition) • Representative democracy • Association of autonomous groups Guns (under socialism): • No restrictions • Regulations, mental checks etc. • For volunteer militias only • Banned for non-military / police Religion: • Banned • Pressured • Secular state • Some sort of concordat • Official religion Military: • Volunteer military • Conscripted military • Militias only • Disarmament Foreign stance: • Direct interventionism to further socialist cause • Indirect interventionism (proxies etc.) • Economic aid only • Token support • Isolationism Workplace: • State-ran • Self-management (compliance to the wider societal demands) • Full union independence Policing: • Full surveillance • Modern day levels of surveillance • No surveillance • No police force Press censorship: • State-controlled press • Free press with oversight • Free press, punishment for breaking regular decency • Total press freedom Free speech: • Highly restricted for ideological reasons • Modern day levels of restriction (punishment for incitement, hate speech, disinformation) • Total freedom of speech Art: • Only state-approved • Free expression with oversight • Artistic freedom

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How does anime factor into the material conflict of interests between the worker and the capitalist?

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News 1/18/20

Julius Malema Reiterates Calls For A United States Of Africa The Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) party leader said he envisions continental unity at the political level and was planning to use South Africa as the launchpad for the idea if he wins the next elections. ‘We've had enough!’ WATCH German farmers drive tractors through Berlin to protest agriculture policy German farmers flooded streets of Berlin again to denounce the way government spends EU subsidies and its emission policies that satisfy neither them nor environmentalists, who are also taking part at the protests. Protesters gather at Paris theater to confront Macron over pension reform Protesters opposed to the French government’s proposed changes to the pension system tried to force their way into a theater in Paris where President Emmanuel Macron attended a show with his wife. UK’s Prince Harry & Meghan to lose titles & funds, repay millions spent for renovation as they ‘exit’ royal family duties The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are to lose their HRH titles and public funding, as they opt for “a more independent life,” Buckingham Palace has said, adding they are no longer “working members of the Royal Family.” Bolivia's Anti-Imperialist Army School Renamed After Che's Assassins The anti-imperialist school that Evo Morales created in the Armed Forces of Bolivia in 2016 has been renamed Friday to Heroes of Ñancahuazu, after the Bolivian military unit that killed the revolutionary figure Ernesto “Che” Guevara in 1967. Riots in Lebanon’s capital leave more than 150 injured Police fired volleys of tear gas and rubber bullets in Lebanon’s capital Saturday to disperse thousands of protesters amid some of the worst rioting since demonstrations against the country’s ruling elite erupted three months ago. More than 150 people were injured. Lacalle Looks to Turn Uruguay Into Tax Haven Again Uruguay's President-elect Luis Lacalle announced that he will facilitate the residence of some 100,000 high-income Argentines if they invest capital in his country, a proposal that reactivates the discussion about turning Uruguay back into a tax haven. Yemen's rival powers battle over banknotes The Iran-allied Houthis, who say people should only use the old bills, have defended the ban as a move against inflation and what they call rampant money-printing by the government. 'It's a monster': the Skipsea homes falling into the North Sea Residents in the tiny seaside parish were warned this week that a large number of homes are at “imminent risk” of tumbling into the North Sea within 12 months because of the rapid erosion of the East Yorkshire coast.

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Black markets

How do we prevent black markets from emerging in a planned economy?

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Virtue Signaling and Performative Politics

It's a bit of a shame that "virtue signaling" became a bit of a right-wing buzzword because it absolutely a real thing. Ironic especially because signalling how virtuous you are appears to be the whole appeal of right-wing politics to conservatives and reactionaries. Though I will say that the right has actual political goals beyond just looking virtuous, whereas liberals seem to be into their politics entirely just to appear virtuous. But it seems to be dangerous at this particular moment because of the US and her allies ramping up imperialist aggression and rhetoric. Since modern imperialist propaganda is couched firmly in "humanitarian" rhetoric, you get the phenomenon of large numbers of self-identified "leftists" parroting imperialist talking points because they care more about appearing virtuous than actual geopolitical outcomes. I noticed this with pretty much anyone that complains about "tankies" these days. "Tankie" now no longer meaning M-L, but literally anyone questioning the Western line after it's been anointed in the holy language of humanitarianism. I was arguing with one guy about China (I was saying that all that's been proven is that they have a big rehabilitation program for religious extremism, any claim beyond that is unfounded conjecture which is important because this sort of thing will be used as justification for some form of aggression against China), but it became clear to me that this guy didn't really care about what was happening in Xinjiang or the global politics surrounding it. What mattered was that he was a kindhearted, virtuous person who doesn't deny genocide, whereas I'm a piece of shit who denies genocide and is probably racist as well. We were speaking two different languages, me talking about the history of imperialist propaganda, the geopolitical situation, etc, and him talking about my apparent moral failings with the airs that I'm making him and his compatriots look bad. I've seen people comment that with each passing day we come closer to a politician or mainstream political commentator denouncing "tankies" and when it happens, it will be specifically because of this bunch, which is a sign of how prevalent it is within our politics, and it makes operating in that sphere almost impossible because it becomes less about actual politics and more about moralistic dickwaving. And it's incredibly easy for bad actors to come up with ways to portray the imperialist and neoliberal line as virtuous and woke. Claim that the US orchestrated a coup in a foreign country? Stop saying that those people don't have their own agency, you racist. Don't think people getting killed in a civil war constitutes a "genocide"? Wow, you're just like a neo-nazi denying the Holocaust. And so on. What's the most rich to me is how privilege checking culture has gone imperialist. Already as useless to curing actual social ills as self-flagellation was to curing the plague (and with the same implication behind this apparent act of contrition and humility being a haughty declaration of one's own moral superiority above the common, degenerate rabble), apparently the only reason you'd go against Western liberal's virtuous line is because of how privileged and sheltered you are. If you just checked your fucking privilege, you'd join the chorus denouncing the evil, uncivilized oriental despotisms that just happen to have an antagonistic relationship to the Western powers. What do we do about this? Is there a way to shut this shit down? It may be more important than ever now that we're actively flirting with World War 3.

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American Potential

A lot of Euros on here vastly underestimate the potential for American Communism. Frequently they make a big hubbub of Americans being somehow inherently reactionary or "backwards", whilst ignoring that the two largest Communist Revolutions on earth took place in backwards feudal states where leaders were assumed to have been divinely ordained. All things considered, the situation in America is quite conducive to Socialism: >Younger generation mostly priced out of good housing >Rampant epidemic of "deaths by despair" >Near non-existent social safety net >Completely failing infrastructure >Massive wealth disparity. In no other first world country are the contradictions of capital so evident. In no other western country is there such a blatant division between what the people actually want (healthcare, houses, higher pay, action on global warming) and what the ruling class institutes. Similarly, though the elite have tried to hide this fact from the world, America once had one of the most radical labor movements on earth. So why don't we see an equally powerful communist movement? Well there's a few factors that must be considered: >Boomer home ownership >COINTELPRO operations >Liberal obfuscation To go through each point briefly. The mass home ownership of the baby boomers means they were in essence made stakeholders of the country, they're interested in seeing it not burst into flames because they own property within the country. Younger generations are shut out of property inheritance and saddled with debt, and so we see Socialism become much more appealing to them. COINTELPRO operations meanwhile have done excellent work at wrecking and kind of paralegal organizing (both in the mafia and in left movements) Finally, liberals both obfuscate class issues by putting forward an image of the left as half-hearted Keynesians, and where they get involved in left movements they idiotically inject them with a purely middle class character. With these things in mind, is there any reason for hope in American Communism? I think so. But only if we play it smart. Left movements here have thus far been hyper-focused on pointless violence (such as the Austin Red Guards) or engagement in bourgeois activism (small scale protests, near-pointless bourgeois political campaigns) but little in the way of organizing. However there's three things the American left can do right now to benefit American communism >Get out of the suburbs >Organize Soviets >Focus on local issues American Third Parties try to compete in national elections when they can't even win local ones. Meanwhile localism is seen as almost entirely ignored, in no small part because the middle class makeup of most left activists mean they rarely leave their suburbs. But imagine if poor rural and urban-minority communities were organized as though they were soviets? Direct democracy, with a broad coalition of parties (excluding the big two) and focused on localized issues: law and order, infrastructure, and education. By building parallel institutions in towns with low voter turnout, and focused less on winning people over to communism so much as engaging them in direct democracy, the American left can build communism from the ground up. There's plenty of ways to create parallel institutions. Mosques and Synagogues and minority churches can be won over into a solidarity network: "Everyone agrees to watch over each other in case they see a far-right nut show up with guns." Undocumented Immigrants can organize lookouts to keep their communities safe, as well as warn them when ICE is in the neighborhood. Most importantly you start to gain legitimacy in local neighborhoods, such that even if you can't win a national election, you can at least impact it and gain lasting institutional power. As it stands, right now the American left is waiting around for people to "wake up", but passive waiting has never worked. They need to get out there and start organizing: town councils, unions, what have you.

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/usapol/ - Keep Murica Great! Finger Lickin' Good

United States politics and related topics. Last thread >>200644

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How would a socialist country deal with the Lionfish problem?

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Thoughts on this comic and Identity Politics?

This is an edit of one of spergzys comics. He's a Twitter anarchist who's extremely into idpol. He even got in trouble in his group for having an "albeist" name.

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Where was the problem that people in soviet union were suffering hunger?

Where was the problem

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Thoughts on the rise in the far right?

In 2019 it reached its peak in modern times. A lot of young White men who feel isolated and alienated have gone far right. As someone who was once in these circles I understand why that happens. How can we save these young men and bring them over to us?

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Your view on accelerationism?

Was listening to a podcast from two people who claim to be "accelerationists" and they had agreeing views with both the far right and far left. Anyways, their main thesis was that because of the material conditions of today there is no reason for Communists and Fascists to fight each other essentially because none of us will get to power, that liberalism and the system is too much of a behemoth. They argued in the 20s during the Weimar Republic the Communists and National Socialists had no choice to fight each other because they actually had a chance to get to power through vote. They view the fighting from the authoritan right and authoritan left as futile and unnecessary. What do you think about this? Tldr: Material conditions of today are vastly different than the 1920s, electoral politics is impossible, Nazis vs Communists dialectic is stupid and futile nowadays, the only enemy is the system aka liberalism. Things today are vastly more difficult and tricky.

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How do you argue against nationalism?

What is your main argument against this? Essentially he is saying a change of economics can't solve personal differences, past history, and that more or less the people want ethnic nationalism. How do you respond and why is he wrong?

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>Markets dude >it's the only way >lol free market has never hurt anyone now look at this map from heritage >Bro it's not exploitation its business now just I'm going to steal that Somalian kid's bread >IT'S FREEDOM BRO!!!

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What's the general consensus on religion?

what is the best religon to rally up the masses to our cause?

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Are Modern Companies Ponzi Schemes?

I noticed this in the company I work in. It started out as a fairly simple production of a media product, but gradually as the company grew, layers and layers of obfuscating bullshit grew around the same basic function. We have more buildings, more workers, we do a lot more day to day but materially what is actually being produced is the same as it ever was, in fact, at some point the team who actually produced the product got downsized by a good bit. There is no actual growth, only a sort of artificial growth of completely pointless bureaucracy and insider sub-contraction to do a bunch of nonsense that has minimal impact on anything in the real world. We've had like 12 new people come in to lead the company in a very short period of time, all changing basically nothing that can be seen. I think it works sort of like this. Investors give money in the hopes that the company will grow, and in response, the company pretends to grow by doing more meaningless labor, social media crap and outreach programs. Seeing this growth, this prompts more investment which means more profit which means that in a sense, the artificial growth became actual growth in profit. The cycle works forever as long as more people keep investing and nobody realizes that the growth of the company is founded solely on this cycle and not the production of a product. Is this a real tendency in the economy at large, or do I just work at a shitty mismanaged company?

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Thoughts on Red Guard Austin? They seem to be incredibly sectarian Maoists. I think its funny but it's probably going to give Marxist Leninists overall a worse rep with DSA people. Is it possible they're just cops? I have heard a few people say that.

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News 1/17/20

Bolivian Senate Approves Extending Coup Government Mandate The Chamber of Senators of Bolivia, approved on Thursday the draft Law on the Extension of the Constitutional Mandate of Elected Authorities, which allows the de facto government to remain in power until May 3 when new elections are held. Iraqis capture ISIS mufti so obese a TRUCK has to take him into custody, sparking slew of Twitter memes A top ISIS leader dubbed ‘Jabba the Hutt’ has been captured in Mosul – but proved so obese that removing him from his bolthole required the assistance of a truck, drawing a deluge of memes and jokes at his expense on social media. Left wing? You may be on police extremism list THE Home Office has lumped together left-wing groups and green campaigners with neo-nazis and white supremacists in literature and posters supposedly designed to educate officers about extremism. South Sudan rivals agree to meet unity government deadline South Sudan President Salva Kiir and opposition leader Riek Machar in their latest talks this week also agreed that key outstanding issues under the country’s 2018 peace deal would be arbitrated within 90 days of the new government’s formation, South African Deputy President David Mabuza said Thursday. 'Like going back 40 years': dismay as Bolsonaro backs abstinence-only sex ed The government is also censoring sex education sections of a health booklet for teenage girls following criticisms by the far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro. ‘Beyond belief!’: Labour leadership hopeful enrages Scots after using Catalonia as example of how to ‘beat divisive nationalism’ The leadership contender argued that Britain should be learning lessons from other countries around the world on how to defeat nationalism, using Spain’s handling of Catalan independence protests as a beacon for social justice advocates, like her. Mexico's President Offers 4,000 Jobs in Attempt to Stop Caravan Mexico's President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador (AMLO) Friday reported that his government will not grant transit visas to migrants from the caravan trying to reach the United States but that there are about 4.000 jobs available. Germany will pay billions to speed up coal-fired power plant shutdowns Germany will pay its utility companies billions of euros to speed up the shutdown of their coal-fired power plants as part of the country’s efforts to fight climate crisis, the government has said. In China, Birthrate Falls To Lowest Level In 70 Years New birthrate figures show that China has so far failed to reverse the effects of its longtime one-child policy — a change that policymakers say is necessary to forestall the long-term economic consequences of an aging and shrinking population. 'Unquestionably Alarming Signs': New Data Confirms Earth Just Had Hottest Decade on Record 2019 was also the second warmest year on record, and the past five years were the five warmest on record.

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It's server time

Does anyone know of a VPS provider that's worker owned? Or at least one that isn't owned by Bezos and called AWS? Even if it's just known for being good to employees, that'd be nice. I'd like to migrate my shit to something better since I'm giving them $100 a month.

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Is capitalism link to depression?

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Global Warming

Do you think the human race will survive the collapse brought by Capitalism and Global Warming or are we doomed. (assuming that Humanity can only survive it thanks to Socialism)

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Was he our guy?

Let's go down the list >Literally born as a slave, literally a proletarian whose only property was a droid he built himself and his mom's rented (they had to rent from their literal slave master) apartment >Explicitly wants to return to his home planet and free all the slaves (murder all the slave owners, gangsters, and capitalists) >Only Jedi to see the Republic as a shitty bureaucracy that clearly didn't give a flippant fuck about the masses of the Galaxy >Literally tells his bourgeois squeeze that he wants to institute the Dictatorship of the Proletariat; the thot don't get it tho >Criticizes the Jedi as pawns of the Republic >Only sided with the Republic because the Confederacy were an explicitly bourgeois rebellion led by the owners of the largest corporations in the Galaxy >Actually treated his clones like people >Got his apprentice to question the jedi's bullshit so that she eventually left >After seeing how hard the Jedi fucked over his faithful apprentice simply to appease the increasingly fascist Republic he finally realizes they are beyond hope >Gets approached by Palpatine and finally sees the perfect opportunity to do away with the Republic, the Jedi, and their bourgeois dictatorship >Sees Palpatine is also a monstrous fascist so immediately plans to overthrow him, asks Padme to assist as he knows she has the pull to help create a popular front against the Empire with them leading the vanguard <Wtf this bitch says no <Wtf Obi-Wan turned her against me <Oh shit, Obi-Wan is here <Mfw he makes it clear he won't side with me and the proletariat <Fuck it, I said the Jedi needed to go after all <Stfu bitch wife <Wtf this fuck cut my fuckin legs off, fuck >Gets fucked over and wounded by Obi-Wan, thus ending his chances of ever overthrowing the Emperor (read above) <Mfw gotta be this evil fuck's bitch now cuz I literally can't beat him >Spends the next 20 years serving the Emperor against his own will, even then he manages to convince Galen Erso to sabotage the Death Star and makes the Empire so shitty people will inevitably rebel >Tries getting Luke to help him off the Emperor >Kills that fucker the first chance he gets and dies as a result, freeing the Galaxy and balancing the Force <Mfw shitty corporate sequels invalidate my sacrifice and life story Anakin was a secret communist working to undermine the Empire and free the workers all along, prove me wrong

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Soviet Economics : BTFO by a Libertarian How do you respond to this ? How do you explain the fact that the Soviet Union started to stagnate after the 70's ? Are Dengists right after all ?

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Soviet dissident scientists Ive heard many anticommunists and antisoviets talk about how the USSR falsely imprisoned and tortured their owned scientists, usually giving these two examples, trying to prove that soviet socialism was such a failure that even its brightest minds wanted nothing to with it. Do you think these scientists had legitimate criticisms of the USSR or were they traitors? Also why were there so many Soviet KGB and military dissidents? DO you think the soviet industry and military suffered significantly from defections?

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Official /leftypol/ embassy thread

ACTIVE THREADS Hello everyone, I have set up this embassy topic in order to introduce new people on imageboards and elsewhere to leftist concepts (and /leftypol/) in an open and honest way. Why should we be open? Well, because many internet users are terrified rightly or wrongly of shills, spooks, et cetera. Simply announcing who were are and where we're from sidesteps that whole debacle. We won't pretend to be 'fellow kids' (unless you are a regular poster on that board of course), simply give in a polite and considered way the reasons why that particular board/site's ideology is flawed and what leftism can offer. Why should we be polite? Because this is not a raid, and we are not raiders. I'm sure you've seen plenty of raid threads on our board from /pol/, shit like LUL LEFTIST TRANNIES BTFO, do you even look twice at those pathetic cries for attention once you realise what they are? Of course not. And it doesn't take much thought for us to delete them either. On the other hand, if we approach our enemies, or, I would prefer, potential allies, with an honest discussion, only the truly dishonest can dismiss us as spammers or nuisance posters. What exactly should we argue for? Well, I and one of the other vols worked up the template below which is catered for /pol/, but of course you may feel a different message works better in your chosen avenue of debate. However, I would like to stress a few key points; 1. Be honest. Don't hide that you're from /leftypol/ or your true beliefs. 2. Be open. Respond to honest questions or misunderstandings honestly. 3. Be polite. It's okay to participate in the usual banter of the site you are posting on, but angry rants at other users is unlikely to make anyone change their mind. On open hand is more likely to convince than a closed fist. 4. Be non-sectarian. Try not to shit on other leftist ideologies than your own, it's okay to say which one you favour and why, but ultimately I think we can all agree that outside of relatively minor doctrinal differences (when compared to capitalism), we all want the same thing. Thank you anons, and remember, your participation is needed! I will post the currently active threads below. /pol/ template: Greetings /pol/, we are creating this topic as an outreach program from your local communists. Please do not consider this an unfriendly intrustion. Instead, we seek to openly and reasonably share our knowledge about the scientific political weapon that is Marxism. Marxism is a theoretical model that is very effective at understanding power structures, and as such, can and has been used by the anti-capitalist left and the right to further their own political agenda. Why work with the enemy? Well, we share a lot of common ground, for different reasons, and we believe that if you understood what we are trying to achieve, you too would support us. The classic example is that of our shared belief in a shadowy minority which controls society. We agree that a small group of people controls government, elections are a sham, and us normal folk have zero power. We seek to take power from the few that control the government now and free us from their reign – of course we differ in that we define this through class and not racial lines. Another example is the diminishing white population and immigration. We believe that capitalists ravage countries, install corrupt governments, then plunder them, which creates economic refugees. Also, capitalists benefit from cheaper immigrant labor (and can skimp on worker protection laws) so they support immigration. Through Marxism, we can understand that it is unrealistic to create the conditions for economic refugees to exist (carpet bomb all the major cities in a country, for example), and at the same time manage to control undocumented immigration to richer countries, even more so when the people who control the government benefit from this immigration. If we believed in race and wanted to preserve the white race, then applying Marxism shows that immigration won't stop while the powerful groups that controls the US (and its allies) keep creating conditions that cause immigration. There's two big misconceptions about Marxism that is important to point out now. First off, Marx was the pioneer, but Marxism goes beyond Marx. And second, Marxism does not concern itself with communism as much as you'd think. It is mostly answering the question "How does capitalism work?" and "How does history work". We realize that the pro-worker, pro-communist rhetoric might be off-putting to a lot of people, but it is NOT necessary to share those values in order to reap the benefits of understanding capitalism. Marxism, after all, is a dispassionate mathematical science that comes from the synthesis of great economists like Adam Smith and David Ricardo, placed under the scrutiny of science. To put it simply, there's a reason that the ruling class spend millions each year to discredit Marxists. If you distrust the mainstream media/economic world, then why trust their propaganda of Marxism? Research the ideas yourself and if you find they are not valuable you can always discard them. If you're interested in Marxism, there's a lot to choose from and it's a bad idea to give a general recommendation, since it really depends on your tastes. We have a reading materials thread. Please feel free to pop by and ask for recommendations according to your reading preferences (long dry theory, smaller books, audiobooks, video series, etc). Anyways, feel free to ask questions relating to Marxism. We would like to progress the dialog along reasoned lines, and we would like to keep the discussion productive – however we are also here to answer questions and perhaps correct any misconceptions about leftism is general. Please consider that a polite and reasoned post is much more likely to get intelligent and informative replies, and vice versa with a dumb shitpost and worthless replies. For my comrades, please keep answers on topic as much as possible, and avoid shit flinging contests.

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The Idpol Thread Has Been Deleted.

This is clearly a bad idea for a number of reasons 1) It was done without any real input from the board. 2) It was done on the whim of one mod who stirred shit up in the idpol thread causing it to leak, which was then used as an excuse to get rid of it. 3) Idpol posters will now try to infect everywhere else. Even if the ban hammer has been dropped. New ones will come and we will have nowhere to direct them to. Alongside this, earnest idpol posters will get swept up with the incel maniacs. 4) I don't know why we hold ourselves in such high regard, pretty conceited unfortunately cranks are our bedfellows, better have them a crazy leftist than an average rightard. This place serves a nice middle ground for these people, without that we hand ground to the right. 5) The intention is now to delete/ban everyone who posts idpol, instead of putting them in a gulag. Think summary execution rather than a gulag system. We now have nowhere we can talk about idpol, which is a huuuuge and important subject, even if our stance is "anti idpol" we still need to be able to get to grips with it. 6) The mods have provided no definition of idpol at all, and given their trigger happy ways, will no doubt use this as a way to delete threads they personally don't like. Here is a poll

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How can I understand supply and demand from a Marxist perspective?

When I read a lot of Marx's works I find that he uses the model of supply and demand a lot to illustrate certain points. This, however, makes his works harder to understand since I'm used to the understanding of supply and demand as it is sold to us by capitalist propaganda with no frame of reference for Marxism in this understanding. What should I read to understand this?

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Are we approaching Stagflation 2.0 ? >People’s incomes are rising but not enough to cover rising costs >GDP is stagnate >large scale part-time employment replacing full time work Once Porky implments green ausderity so that humans don’t go extinct costs of electricity and transportation will soar.

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News 1/16/20

Operation 'Dead Ports' Makes Macron Feel the Workers' Strength The dockers' strike keeps French ports blocked for the third consecutive day, an action that responds to the call made by the General Confederation of Labor (CGT) to protest against President Emmanuel Macron's pension reform proposal.​​​ Momentum confirms it's backing Long Bailey for the Labour leadership REBECCA LONG BAILEY received a big boost in the Labour leadership race today after left-wing group Momentum confirmed it would back her to succeed Jeremy Corbyn. Bolivian FM Wants Argentina to Condemn Comments by Evo Morales The Bolivian Foreign Ministry wants the Argentinian government to condemn the recent comments made by the democratically elected President Evo Morales about defending civilians defending themselves against the brutality of the de facto regime in La Paz. Germany confirms Trump made trade threat to Europe over Iran policy The US threatened to impose 25% tariffs on cars to push Europeans to initiate proceedings against Iran for violating the nuclear deal, the German defence minister has confirmed. Erdogan sending Turkish troops to Libya ahead of Berlin peace talks Turkey is sending troops to Libya to ensure the stability of the UN-backed government in Tripoli, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has announced. The move comes ahead of a Berlin summit on the security situation in the country. Rebecca Long-Bailey leads way in committing to 10-point pledge to address Islamophobia They also call for refugee resettlement, enhancing democratic participation, addressing disparity of treatment of black and minority-ethnic people in the criminal-justice system, education equality and an “ethical foreign policy” supporting a sovereign Palestine and addressing “human-rights abuses abroad, including in Kashmir, Xinjiang and Myanmar.” Angola's Isabel dos Santos: Africa's richest woman eyes presidency Angolan billionaire Isabel dos Santos, who is embroiled in a huge financial scandal, has suggested that she may seek to become the country's president. What Changes Is Putin Planning for Russia’s Constitution? Russian President Vladimir Putin announced several constitutional amendments in the closing minutes of his annual state of the nation address Wednesday.While Putin said the package of amendments should be put to a nationwide vote, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that vote does not entail a referendum. Former Colombian President Álvaro Uribe linked to international drug trafficking through Sinaloa Cartel Allegations have recently emerged linking Colombia’s former right-wing president and current senator Álvaro Uribe with Mexican drug cartels, right-wing paramilitary groups and the American Drug Enforcement Agency in a plot to traffic large quantities of cocaine into Mexico between 2006 and 2008. Huge ‘hot blob’ in Pacific Ocean killed nearly a million seabirds A million seabirds died in less than a year as a result of a giant “blob” of hot ocean water off the coast of New Zealand, according to new research.

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it's all so tiresome

They're actually fucking braindead >marxistic

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what conspiracy theories do you believe /leftypol/ ?

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Is Pinker Steve a crypto racist ? In this debate Steven Pinker, makes apologetics for terrorism, because "it doesn't kill that many people". He also declares that the dissolution of USSR was non-violent, even-though more people died during the economic crash that resulted from the neo-liberal shock-doctrine market introduction, than during "Stalinism" . He also argued that there was too much violence used against the Nazis. And the 1917 Revolution was not justified violence. If you go ahead and look at this through a lens of history and ethnicity, then he basically seems to take the position of "slavik people bad" First if you look at a major expression of terrorism you get Taliban which later is turned into ISIS (there is so much overlap between those 2 that it's somewhat reasonable to see them as the same organisation, at least for context of this post) And in both cases slavic people end up as the opponents as Soviets v Taliban in the 70's proxy-war and as Russian federation operations against ISIS. Next he sides with Nazis, against slavik people considering that something like 8/10 fallen Nazis soldiers die at the hand of Soviet soldiers, this is pretty clear. I don't think you can reasonably make a case that there is such a thing as defending them self's a too vigorously against a invading force whose leader has declared that 60% of your population had to be eliminated for racial-cleansing. And lastly He sides against Slavic people overthrowing the Tsarist Terror regime. There is a 2nd layer to this, that is about qualifying structural violence vs direct violence. Pinker makes a case that the starvation that happened in early Soviet Russia was structural violence, and this is correct. Your economic system has to make your population food secure, no excuses. Starving primarily happens, historically as well as contemporary because of market economies. If people die because they lack the money to buy food that is death by market violence. If you are saying moneyless people should die, because of market and money logic takes priority, that means you are are advocating for the largest systemically organised mass murder in history and make Hitler look like an anarchist. There aren't many planed economies to compare this to, historically there's basically just the Incas and they had state-grain-stores and seemingly no famines, also for Russia and China the planed economies ended the famines, which were common during the Tsarist regime and pre communist china. What has to be added here is that in the 90's there were people starving to death in Russia, again. So Pinker only cares about the slavik people when it can be used to point out a failure of Communists. There is no problem when the Tsar or the neo-libs do it. Now I'm going to admit that this is cherry picking data, and that I cannot prove that Pinker is basically using this for anti-slavic Dog-whistle politics. But given that he is part of the intellectual chorus that is shilling for neo-libe hegemony, that has run a 3 year russophobe campaign with mindbogglingly intense crazyness. This might not be as far fetched as this might seem. Consider that people like that have a history of "pragmatic racism."

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Boards, board creation and all that jazz

Why are mods and admins treating creating a board like establishing a factory? You'd think that it requires hours of back-breaking work instead of typing a few words and clicking a button. Now that we're not on 8ch any more, we should have a more experimental attitude towards board creation and figuring out what works and what doesn't. What's the harm of creating several boards and seeing how they do? You can easily delete them. At least it will provide experience and you'll know what works and what doesn't. No one is wild about /hobby/ because literally no one wanted it. But people do want /lit/ and /mu/ and stuff like that. So what if they're a bit slow in the beginning, or later? I'd rather have a board focused on a topic I can visit from time to time and only be met with content about that topic. This would also give an opportunity to attract other users, those who are sick of /pol/-infested 4chan boards but have nowhere else to go. Experiment! See what happens! I've made a strawpoll with a bunch of boards listed, more than one answer is possible. I tried to include a wide variety. This presumes that /hobby/ stays what it is, these other topics would just get divorced from it and it'd stay as a /misc/ board I guess.

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Reminder that no matter how desperately they insist it isn't the case, fascism is, indeed, capitalism in decay.

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The impact of modern birth control on society

In most countries where the birth control pill was released various social ills like single motherhood, suicide, violent crime, and many more negative social trends followed shortly. This trends seems to be not only a correlation, but causative, for 2 reasons (that i know of) 1) The pill was released on a country by country basis over the course of several years, and the societal trends of each countries overlap almost perfectly after controlling for the release date of the pill. 2) The birth rate behaves similar to all other societal trends, and is undoubtedly affected by birth control, which implies those other trends are related as well. What is the proper way to deal with those problems? It seems reasonable to ban contraceptives, but that's impractical as well as unpopular.

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What are your opinions about the Chinese government?

I want to read what you all think about the Chinese government and their actions

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Leftism and spirituality

Hey, outsider here. Is there such a thing as esoteric leftist theory? I know leftism has traditionally adopted materialist ideas, but I know about fascist esoteric authors and I've been wondering if there is some kind of leftist counterpart

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Was Trotsky right? Did Stalin betray the revolution?

Would you agree that Stalin betrayed the revolution?

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You should read what your enemies write to understand them. But Mein Kampf is basically /pol/ in book form. So what are some actually good books about fascism? PDF related, Doctrine of Fascism. It seems pretty solid, though if any of you guys know better ones I want to read them.

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Can we get a thread for fashwave inversions? This shit really pisses /pol/ off, and I find it funny.

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I want to know, and I'm sorry mods if this violates rules, but what is national bolshevism exactly? In its current state it seems like most nazbols out of Russia just hate brown people and want white communism, but on a serious level, what exactly is nazbol? In Russia it seems like it wants to bring back communism but only for Russia or maybe just for ethnic Russians, it's hard to tell. In that case thought wouldn't national bolshevism be basically what stalin did after seizing power? At it's core nazbol seems to be bolshevism in one country.

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Porky's War on meat eating

The ruling class has made great efforts to propagandize eating insects and bugs. The UN has been making plans to replace red meat in the 2030's to "reduce climate change", but how much impact does the meat industry really have?

Bjorn LomBerg, an environmental scientist, shows that meeting eating only contributes 2% of greenhouse gases when compared to transportation, heating, and lighting:
In fact, those last 3 contribute 80% of greenhouse gasses compared to meat's paltry 2%. So why are food companies and mainstream media pushing anti-meat propaganda and insect diets?

The answer is because it's cheaper than red meat. Black soldier fly larvae (aka maggots, yum) are being considered for the "food epidemic" and environmental reasons:

But you can't push cockroaches and maggots on working class people without making them mad. The poor, banned from simple hamburgers and forced to eat maggotburgers, while the rich feast on prosciutto and fine cheeses? That shit doesn't fly.
So they're trying to sneak state-e forced but eating through the backdoor by cloaking it in environmental reasons, despite the GHG's coming from utilities and transportation. An actual solution would be bullet trains that use green energy, but the rich would never pay for that sort of public infrastructure. Instead, they try to feed working people maggots to line their pockets and lie through their teeth about the environment.

Eat the rich, eat the porky.

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So climate collapse is beginning in earnest. All of india's major cities are going to run out of water in 2020, and australia is already at the start of its own death spiral. Just this year we saw truly massive die-off of sealife, and as that continues any country reliant on seafood is going to go into full collapse. The first blue ocean event has a good chance of happening within the next 5 years. Insect populations have declined as much as 80% in some places, and total insect biomass is in decline as much as 2.5% a year. The rest of the global ecosystem does not exist without insects. The apocalypse is here, and 2020 will be the year all the pieces start to fall into place. 2018 and 2019 were the warning signs, and going forward the beginning of total ecological collapse begins. And as the world very literally burns to death, global capitalism is also very clearly nearing its next major crisis, and I feel like it is going to be a crisis unlike any that has come before.

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And People Doubted Posadism

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have you taken the ba'ath pill yet /leftypol/ ?

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Are NEETS heroes? NEETS dont participate in capitalism and aren't propagating this oppressive class system.

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News 1/15/20

Sadr Calls for a "Million-Man March" Against US Troops in Iraq Iraqi Shiite leader Moqtada al-Sadr has called for a "million-man march" against the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq, just days after the country's parliament voted to expel foreign troops from their territory. HDP Istanbul offices attacked by gunfire First statement from HDP Istanbul: “With this attack they want to intimidate our officials and party members. We will make full use of our democratic right to respond to the fascist and gang attacks.” The 'Losing Lawyer' In Israel Who Defends Palestinians Charged With Violence "There are threats, death threats at me, my family, my grandchildren ... relating to the fact that I'm a Jew and I represent Arabs," Tsemel tells NPR from her east Jerusalem office, before rushing to the Supreme Court to defend Palestinian youths accused in the fatal stoning of an Israeli driver. Putin Proposes Power Shift to Parliament and PM, in Possible Hint at Own Future Putin told the country's political elite in his annual state-of-the-nation speech on Wednesday that he favoured changing the constitution to hand the State Duma, the lower house of parliament, the power to choose Russia's prime minister and other key positions. Iran warning puts thousands of European troops in spotlight A warning by Iran’s president that European forces in the Middle East could be at risk if their nations join the U.S. pressure campaign against the Islamic Republic puts a focus on thousands of foreign troops in the region. All UK Labour leadership candidates sign up to stepped up pro-Zionist witch-hunt The most enthusiastic signatory to a document which means a stepped up witch-hunt of anti-Zionist party members, putting right-wing scoundrels Sir Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry, Lisa Nandy and Jess Phillips to shame, is Rebecca Long-Bailey, the supposed “continuity” candidate favoured by the Corbyn “left.” Venezuela Asks Electoral Body to Invite UN, EU to Observe Polls Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro asked the National Electoral Council (CNE) Tuesday to invite the European Union (EU) and the United Nations as observers in the process of legislative elections scheduled for this year. French forensic officers throw ‘bloody’ overalls in front of interior ministry, as strike continues Striking forensic officers in Paris have thrown overalls daubed in fake blood in front of the interior ministry. The grizzly protest comes amid mass opposition to French President Emmanuel Macron’s controversial pension reforms. Minister says Britain must reduce military dependence on U.S.: report Britain must invest in military hardware to become less reliant on U.S. air cover and spy planes in future conflicts, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace was quoted as saying in an interview with the Sunday Times newspaper. Australian wildfire smoke stokes health fears in cities Fire alarms have been sounding in high-rise buildings across downtown Sydney and Melbourne as dense smoke from distant wildfires confuse electronic sensors. Modern government office blocks in the Australian capital Canberra have been closed because the air inside is too dangerous for civil servants to breathe.

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Why don't we make a propaganda cartoon?

/pol/ is doing it, can't be that hard. >Murdoch Murdoch is self-deprecating and deeply ironic. The main male characters are portrayed as pathetic, schlubby idiots. The female character’s quasi-sexual adoration of Adolf Hitler is played for laughs. Topping it all off, the atrocious animation and absurd over-use use of watermarked stock images remind the viewer to take nothing seriously. >This is entirely deliberate. Murdoch Murdoch’s irony softens the experience for first-time viewers, who might otherwise be scared away by the show’s politics. The show remains palatable — “just a joke” — right up until the point where these viewers start to genuinely sympathize with Murdoch Murdoch’s ideology. Despite getting constantly removed from every conceivable platform, Murdoch Murdoch still gets hundreds of thousands of views. Its language, memes and nazi references are nearly incomprehensible to normies, so it mostly acts as "self-propaganda"; a few episodes are specifically made for a non-/pol/ audience, allowing for extreme ideas to spread more easily through the internet. Almost every character is a strawman, including the protagonists (some of the arguments presented are so radically wrong, you often wonder if the writer genuinely believes that shit or if he's just joking about a particular right-wing group). They use irony and easy-to-understand music videos to normalize far right concepts; much to my surprise, the cartoon is also used to disavow certain ideas (like the obsession with racial purity, conflicts over religion or mass shootings), so there's that. Now- we all know we got better artists. It's not like we lack memes to exploit. Our ideas wouldn't get instantly deplatformed. They're much more "approachable" for less politicized people, if presented correctly. A cartoon would help spreading certain ideas to young people. Making something "less cringy" wouldn't be a challenge at all, considering the embarrassing quality of /pol/'s product. It can be a good idea, even effective if done right. And it can be done as a community effort, rather than relying on a handful of people controlling the output. So, what's exactly stopping us? Here's an example of an episode.

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/usapol/ - Freedom! Murica!

United States politics and related topics. THIS IS THE DEBATE THREAD Last thread >>167380 DEBATE NEWS The debate has started. There's leftyproles hanging out here: There's a stream going on since it's only on CNN and on youtuber's streams. This is the official stream: This thread has been cycled so it doesn't autosage. As per the CNN website: >The debate is the first meeting of the candidates since Iran fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles at two Iraqi military bases housing US troops. The attack last week was retaliation after Iran's top general Qasem Soleimani was killed in a US airstrike in Baghdad. The debate will provide an opportunity for the candidates to focus on foreign policy as they make their presidential case to the American people.

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god I'm fucking lonely

>24 in a couple months >Homeschooled >Never been employed >Literally can't even get a job as a dishwasher or janitor >Can't drive because can't pay insurance >Can't use public transportation because it literally does not exist >Can't get education without going into crippling debt >Physical impairments that I can't do anything about because I can't get a job or pay for health insurance and the impairment directly affects my ability to get a job Am I intended to just fucking blow my brains out?

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IT HAS BEGUN DEBATE NOTICE Debate will be streamed on CNN only, but this chat has been set up to chat during the debates and maybe stream if someone sets up a YT stream. The US thread has been cycled as well. Check out the US thread OP for more info. This thread will soon be saged because there is no need to have two US threads. Also, stop making threads each time Bernie breathes.

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Quality posts from old/leftypol/

Post good shit from old /leftypol/. Good analysis, theory, praxis, etc.

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US PRISONS ARE WORSE THAN GULAGS This guy is pretty good for learning how fuck the prison system is, ex convict. Anyway this video there is two subjects, firstly, a guy got 15 years for burning an LGBT flag. Even then LGBT spokesperson dealing with the case said it was excessive. Also he talks about how Michael Bloomberg paid inmates $1.25 to canvas for him over the phone. Video talks about prison label in general

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I get the sense that Bernie is the best option, the only reason being maybe he has the best chance at being anti-war, because enslaving americans to pay for additional trillions of dollars of debt to pay for war simply outweighs every other policy from a quantitative standpoint. But can anyone offer me some consolation regarding a few problems I have with him: 1. It would be especially easy to suicide him because he is so old. 2. He is not radical enough and maybe could be a problem in the form of merely placating or passivizing the majority of americans (who don't want to be enslaved for war profiteering purposes) as the MIC continues to boil the plebian frog. 3. He has policies like "free college" but I think college ought to be abolished as it needs to be recognized as mostly a scam designed to train people to be repressed and sit in a chair and be an obedient slave. 4. I question medicare for all because I have been on medicare for a long time and it's almost worse than nothing. You waste a lot of time in your life and your health learning that government-run health clinics are full of unfireable miserable employees who sadistically torture the clients of these clinics because the clients have no other option; they will die or be in horrible pain for as long as the employees of these institutions want them to be. Obviously I think healthcare and education should be universal in some sense but there is almost nothing I have seen in my life quite as evil as public institutions like the DMV or even public libraries. At least in NYC public libraries are clearly giant scams where if you are a normal human being that wants to do work, you will find the environment intolerable because people who talk to themselves loudly and aggressively shit into their pants have filled these institutions, and the employees of the library do nothing about it, and presumably cannot be fired. There should be separate day-care centers for homeless people, not public libraries, but no one with power gives a shit because they don't use public libraries. These institutions are the embodiment of evil and are really incredibly disgusting and demoralizing as a taxpayer. I guess this goes back to point #2. No politician is talking about how big the changes that need to be made need to be. No one can get up on that debate stage and say you know what, all of this is pure idiocracy, pure horseshit, it's all lies and everybody knows it. I know Bernie can call out the big banks, but what can he really do against the people who killed Epstein? My wild guess would be absolutely nothing, so what even is the point of voting for him? Would he institute UBI? At least that could give people the time to get more up to speed on how fucked they are getting.

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Red Pilling The Normies

I propose a mission: We try and meme based Mike Prysner onto the Joe Rogan show in order to red pill liberals on US imperialism. He gets a bro Rogan pass because he used to be a solider and he will talk about the CIA and such which are Joe Rogan level of understanding topics. Also they are both podcasters. Now, how do we do this? Does Joe look at the comments of the youtube videos? What platform are they mainly released on? We should brigade the comments section and also email the business email of both of them telling them to do a show. We should also do this with others It is time we stirred up some fun from this secure bunker. The tactical retreat and consolidation is over, now is the time to go on the offensive

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Hibernian Conspiracy

It's over for you Hibernian Question deniers. No amount of trying to hide the pot o' gold at the end of the rainbow can stop the coimhthíochs from knowing now.

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How come China gets called "socialist" even though its people do not own the means of production (ostensibly)? To what extent was the USSR socialist? Were people owning the MoP there?

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World Federation of Democratic Youth

Anons what is your opinion on WFDY? As a ML myself I fucking worship it, and my organization is a member for quite some time. Do you have any critics of it's glorious work? SF/SN Glory to Stalin.

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/SA/ South Asia General

For the following countries: Nepal, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh

Talk about this shit-hole for as long as you like!

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News 1/14/20

French pension reform activists set up mobile barbecue on Nice TRAM TRACKS mid-protest It didn’t take long for hunger to set in, but thankfully the rail workers had a novel solution to keep the march going: a mobile barbecue that was custom-built to fit the tram tracks. BBC chiefs deny propaganda role as papers reveal links to intelligence services BBC bosses denied that the organisation was still involved in propaganda against governments in Latin America and the Middle East today after a report revealed its involvement in a secret anti-communist plot in the 1960s. 17 Social Leaders Assassinated so Far This Year in Colombia Since the peace accord, the United Nations' High Commissioner Office for Peace in Colombia has counted "303 assassinations of human rights leaders." Berlin, London and Paris threaten Iran over 2015 nuclear treaty After the US assassination in Baghdad of Iranian General Qassem Suleimani, Berlin, London and Paris issued a fraudulent joint letter Sunday, denouncing Iran as a threat to peace and demanding it respect the 2015 nuclear treaty Washington repudiated in 2018. Chile: NIHR Asks To Investigate Chemicals Used By Riot Police The Chilean National Institute of Human Rights (NIHR) informed this Monday that it will ask the Ministry of Health and the police (Carabineros) to investigate which chemicals were used against this weekend's demonstrations. Moscow’s Record Wave of Bomb Hoaxes Continues Into 2020 More than 50,000 Muscovites have been evacuated in 2020 so far in the latest wave of bomb threats after more than 1 million evacuations last year, Interfax reported Tuesday. London rejects Scotland’s request for second independence referendum PM Boris Johnson has rejected SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon’s request for a second Scottish independence referendum, claiming it “would continue the political stagnation that Scotland has seen for the last decade.” Blast and huge fire at Spanish chemical plant An explosion at a petrochemical plant in Spain's autonomous Catalonia region has killed at least one person and injured another eight, officials say. Philippine volcano trembles more, spews lava half-mile high A volcano near the Philippine capital spewed lava into the sky and trembled constantly Tuesday, possibly portending a bigger and more dangerous eruption, as tens of thousands of people fled villages darkened and blanketed by heavy ash.

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Peak Liberal Delusion

Post shitty takes from liberals Just found out about a shitty libtard YouTube channel that tried justifying their shitty failed ideology using unironic videogame logic and terrible simulations. I mean just look at this trash >Dude resources are unlimited and will spawn randomly lmao >What are cooperation >Selfishness and Altruism are diametrically opposition not spawning from the same source Which aren’t even true for simple fucking mammals like rats which only grew to this degree due to their inner altruism. How do channel like this and In a Nutshell managed to be so successful?

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Is this the most underrated Marxist text? Just finished it and thought it was fantastic, very enlightening on what socialism truly constitutes. Feels like my understanding of Marxist economics, materialism and history has improved immensely. Also absolutely hilarious.

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Socdem: ISHYG would stop doing this

>Still being a social democrat after Sanders and Corbyn lost, shifted to the right and are commonly acknowledged that they wouldn't be able to do anything even if they'd won. >Not knowing this is fundamentally at odds with radicalizing a working population towards carrying out a socialist revolution, since welfare capitalism pacifies workers while simultaneously establishing a national bourgeoisie, to mount an overwhelmingly successful reaction as a response (since they are the ruling class and hence dominate their pet bourgeois democracy). >Not understanding that social democracy for about 100 years have thus been social fascism and that is the same for the present day Corbyn (who supported the removal of the word 'socialism' from Labours platform) and Bernie (who is to be materially affected by becoming a millionaire at his own prerogative, of which he could redistribute but chooses instead to hoard, without a doubt having psychosocial ramifications). >Not knowing that Marx & Engels didn't even approve of late 18th century socdems, and they still considered themselves Marxists and striving to explicitly abolish capitalism and replace it with socialism. >Yet you physically cannot stop blathering about the next anti-revolutionary performance artist in the game to scam workers into believing in a rigged hype-game and ruining their income as a side-effect (especially for the Sanders campaign) for what at best would result in socio-liberal opportunists capital gain and a hung parliament and at worst an assassination and a right-wing military dictatorship sponsored by national, but also surely international, capital. >Doing all this in my literal communist bunker in MMXX What do you have to say to yourselves?

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An oldfag coming back

Hello everyone,

Im a 8chan /leftypol/ oldfag who got out of IBs a long time ago, but today, in a moment of nostalgia it occured to me "what has it been of /leftypol/?". I found myself with closed, and this chan open.

Let me put in context how long it has been since I left.

>was there when /leftypol/ opened in 8chan
>Was there when the logo and Cat-alunya were created
>was there when the original Bunkermag opened
>Was there when this chan opened
>Was there when Muke (aka Xexizy) started to promote his YT channel at /leftypol/
>Was there when Brennan left to the Phillipines and then when he sold the site

It may seem like im trying to brag my antiquity, but im not, im trying to put in context some important moments of /leftypol/'s past to contextualize the time when I used to be in the community, and see if there still are anons from that time.

Anyways, Im here to get in touch again with the community, catch up with what happened with in general and leftypol specifically, and see how things go.


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News 1/13/20

Colombia foils attempt to assassinate ex-Farc leader Timochenko Colombian police say they have foiled an attempt to assassinate the former head of the now demobilised Farc rebels, Rodrigo Londoño Echeverri, better known as Timochenko. Cops arrest trade union's lawyer on the picket line AUNION is launching legal action against police after they arrested its lawyer and threatened striking workers on a picket line outside a university hospital in London today. Workers Remember Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht's Legacies The European left's largest conference Saturday began in Berlin paying tribute to the memory of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, two communist revolutionaries killed by far-right paramilitaries on January 15, 1919. South African president vows to end widespread power cuts Ramaphosa said his government is working hard to restore the state power company, Eskom, to a stable provider of electricity to industry and residences. Bolivia: Senate Approves Constitutional Guarantee Law Among other measures, the law gives compensation to the families of the dead and covers the recovery process for the wounded on November's coup. Five out of six Labour leadership candidates make it through to the next round of voting Shadow Brexit secretary Keir Starmer is the frontrunner for leader at the end of the first round with 89 nominations.Shadow business secretary Rebecca Long Bailey is in second place with 33 and Wigan MP Lisa Nandy is in third with 31. Fugitive Catalan leader Puigdemont becomes EU legislator Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont took his seat as a member of the European Parliament on Monday despite facing an arrest warrant against him in Spain. Siemens resists climate protests over Australia coal project German engineering giant Siemens says that despite protests by climate activists it will fulfil a deal to help develop a huge coal mine in Australia. Australia's Wildfires Are Releasing Vast Amounts Of Carbon Smoke from the ongoing firestorm in Australia is obscuring skies halfway around the world. Satellite images from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show a haze from the deadly fires spreading over South America. The swirling plume is nearly the size of the continental United States. Ocean temperatures hit record high as rate of heating accelerates The new analysis shows the past five years are the top five warmest years recorded in the ocean and the past 10 years are also the top 10 years on record. The amount of heat being added to the oceans is equivalent to every person on the planet running 100 microwave ovens all day and all night.

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Who Has Authority in the American State?

Found this interesting article that talks about the Marxist theory of the state >The greatest theoretical understandings of the modern state have necessarily come in times of crisis, when its authority is being fundamentally questioned, when its power is most naked: Hobbes in the heels of the English Civil War, Lenin in the midst of the Russian Civil War, and Huntington in the breakout of the Cold War. More recently, there was Louis Althusser during the “crisis of Marxism”: that precarious moment for intellectual leftists when the USSR’s crimes and stagnation, as well as the rise of neoliberalism, forced them to revisit their theories of the state. But to get to Althusser, we need to understand the debates within intellectual Marxism that serve as background for his interpretation. .... >Louis Althusser, having lived through the Communist Party’s defense of De Gaulle from the threat of a coup in the Algiers crisis, the failed revolt of workers and students in 1968, and the slow disintegration of academic Marxism as a political force, would go on to craft perhaps the most elegant theory of the state in his later years. He took Lenin and Marx’s formulation, the state as “a special group of armed men” and turned it on its head in search of a solution to the theoretical crisis of Marxism. Rather than “special” referring to the opposite of “general” (as in a proletarian state in the style of the Paris Commune would be generally armed), Althusser took this to refer to the special nature of state authority. It acts distinctively and with a different ground for legitimacy than those forces which are formally in the private sphere. >But why does the state need authority? Why is an armed subgroup of society insufficient on its own to maintain a system? The answer is quite simple. The state, in order to maintain social control is interested in the relative, rather than absolute, maximization of its violence. >Theoretically, the civilian population—particularly those whose work ensures production—hold the power to grind society to a halt. The general strike, the mass revolt, the civil war—these are existential threats to the state. Therefore, it is not enough for the state to accumulate an overwhelming magnitude of violence. It must minimize the amount of violence of all other actors in society, including social classes—ultimately, even other sections of the class from which much of this “special group of armed men” are drawn. So, it has to convert its violence into legitimate authority. ... >Modern civil-military relations literature has uncovered a wonderful example of just how this threat of “the state of nature,” and thus the need to maintain political order, motivates the state, just as Althusser predicts. In many developing countries, where the risk of coups is great, precarious leaders will systematically make moves which would raise the risks of civil war—both in likelihood and cost—in the event of a coup. Why? Because there is nothing the military officers fear more than the specter of fratricide and the sudden self-destruction of the armed forces. But we can go a step further. This logic extends to the whole of the professional state, the officer corps, and the bureaucracy. >Both Marx and Foucault failed to grasp this, eager as they were to use the metaphor of civil war for class struggle and oppression in society. But here, Clausewitz won out: war is politics by other means, not the other way around. Civil war is precisely the breakdown of legitimate authority as an ideological power—the breakdown of law as a power above people in general. Such a collapse precipitates the rise of violence on the part of actors outside the state, and can threaten not only the elite classes but society as a whole. This ideology of legitimate authority is not some superficial byproduct of the state. It is the whole purpose of the state. thoughts?

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Praxis Guides

Does anyone have any advice or have any good resources on how to do effective praxis in the context of our post-modern consumer societies? I know that there is a lot of crossover with classic tactics for organization, agitation and such; I would just prefer to reframe said tactics for our current context and filter out any specifc methods for achieving class consciousness that don't currently apply to our material conditions.

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How do I talk to my co-workers about organizing against management? I know there's potential with at least a few of them but I don't really know how to approach the subject other than "Hey you want to organize a group to fuck with the management until they give us what we want?" I'm not super concerned about getting them to form a union atm, I figure that can wait until after we actually organize and start fighting, mainly I just want people to start thinking about resisting but I'm afraid of sounding too much like a troublemaker by talking about the subject. I already read the stuff the IWW has on their site, and I plan on going to an Organizing 101 training when I get the chance, but I'm not sure what to do in the meantime.

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>Nestor Makhno leads the Russian revolution instead of Lenin >The black army defeats the white army in the following civil war >The Russian empire dissolves into a vast anarcho-communist society within 5 years >Anarchism spreads rapidly >The last remaining nation-state(Argentina) falls to anarchy in 1973

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What do you guys think about "self help" and people's affinity towards it?

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What exactly stops small, anarchist communes from growing beyond such a tiny size?

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I'm working with a local XR group and almost all of the members are hardcore libs who are convinced that banning plastic straws and car sharing will solve ecocide (Apart from one guy who I keep in contact with and is absolutely our guy). Does anyone have some good agitprop to convince them that Capitalism is our true enemy and eventually to breadpill them?

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I'd appreciate some help in getting some information. Does anyone have information/links to evidence that Julian Assange is being tortured, and how he is being treated in the UK? For example, this article mentions that some doctors have signed an open letter discussing how he appears to be a victim of torture, but there is no copy of the letter provided. If someone knows where I can get it I'd be grateful.

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Babies First

What are the best beginner friendly resources for converting liberals or conservatives to socialism? Short videos, memes, even pamphlets are preferred. Most people don't read books and won't pick up Capital or even Conquest of Bread (at least when they start) no matter how important they are.

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Bill Gates is worth approximately $100 billion dollars give or take. It doesn't matter exactly how much, let's just say it's $100 billion. This is not in liquid cash but in assets and stocks and securities and whatever else which if he were to decide to turn into cash and liquidate would cause said stocks and assets to depreciate, meaning his liquid cash worth is much lower. But let's pretend it is it not. Let's say Bill Gates has $100 billion in liquid cash ready to go sitting in his bank account. If he were to decide to give this wealth away equally to the 8 billion people of the world it would be meaningless because of inflation. If everybody has an extra $12.5 dollars ($100 billion/8 billion people == $12.5 dollars per person) in their pocket, nobody does. But let's make pretend inflation is not a thing. Let's make pretend inflation would not occur and every single person on the globe would increase their wealth by $12.5 in real terms. Every single person having an extra $12.5 dollars in their pocket on a one off shot won't make much of a real material difference. Even in super poor countries where people live on $1 a day. So just to get me straight I'm not even opposed to redistributing all of Bill Gates' money. And I understand that this isn't what communism is actually about. But please bear with me. I'm simply trying to understand how Bill Gates hoarding $100 billion in cash even necessarily means everybody else is that much worse off. And if they are it's only by a one time amount of $12.5 dollars, globally. So my question is how will communism and the labor theory of value and labor vouchers even necessarily remedy this? What difference does it actually make? It would seem communism less results in the average person becoming more materially better off and it's more about preventing people any one person from becoming a billionaire. Which is fine I guess, it's not something that I necessarily oppose. Up to this point Bill Gates has extracted $100 billion dollars worth of surplus value via capitalist exploitation, and has accumulated it. Divying up $100 billion across 8 billion people is just peanuts. Am I wrong?

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A discussion of the prospect of the creation of an /idpol/ board

Hello friends, we have been hearing lots of complaints about the idpol thread lately, but as a huge cyclical with no real organisation it is difficult for us or for anyone to realistically moderate it. Therefore, one proposal that has come to light is the idea of creating an /idpol/ board to serve as a containment instead, which would allow idpol posters to spread out a bit and have more topic-enforcement. Now, of course, the idea of an anti-idpol board having an idpol board seems a bit incongruous, but we do have to accept that many people have idpol related spooks that need to be dispelled in order to bring them to the left, which may not be possible if we simply refuse to talk about idpol at all. However, I do have my own hesitations about this idea as well, which is why I/we would like to ask for your opinions on the subject. If you have any salient points for or against this proposal we would be interested in hearing them, because I personally haven't made up my mind.

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Movies, franchises, and series; how they reproduce the ideologies of capitalism

Figured it'd be interesting to start a thread discussing various films and franchises and the ways in which they reproduce the ideology of capitalism. I'll say mine; the Marvel franchise. One simple way Marvel films reproduce ideology is the way in which they reproduce the ideological justification America, and by extension, liberal states, use for there role in world politics. America, as it tells its own citizens, is much like Captain America, or Thor, or the Avengers as a whole; it goes around the world, entering other nations, and saving people regardless of who they are or where they're from, the Avengers will save citizens from either some outside foreign threat or even their own government, both at home and abroad. This is the way in which Americans see their country, as a superhero, invasions of other countries were once positioned as defeating communism, with the world historical defeat of the USSR the current goal is stated to be some humanitarian mission that seeks to save the savage peoples of the world from the terrorist actors and plots threatening their lives (accordingly almost every supervillain is effectively some form of terrorist). Another way these films reproduce ideology is in their acknowledgment of the dark past much of the societies of the Marvel-verse, and in real world context the dark past of liberal society. A decent example of this might be Thor Ragnarok, whose driving force is the reveal of Asgard's past as a colonial empire and Odin's past as a universal conqueror. It was from this past that Asgard's wealth and power originated, and the resolution is a destruction of Asgard as it currently existed. However, a further investigation might find that, in the end, not much had changed for Asgard politically, to begin with Odin himself continues to be revered in spite of his crimes, and furthermore the same class that ruled the old Asgardian civilization continues to rule the current one; for all intents and purposes in spite of the destruction of old Asgard a new round of conquest could hypothetically begin (similar to how the liberal states of the 19th Century were mostly destroyed in the world wars, allowing for a new round of imperialism to commence after them). A better example of meeting the past in such ways might be Black Panther; in it the main character, T'Challa is made to confront the past of his father as well as the reality of the colonized masses throughout the world. This film, despite diversity and an intriguing villain, has even less radical teeth than Thor Ragnarok, whereas Thor has the resolution of destroying Asgard for what it represents and Hela for being an imperialist, Black Panther rather resolves itself with first a refutation of Killmonger's radicalism (Killmonger is not a true revolutionary, instead he is a former CIA agent who intends to use a global revolution of the colonized and oppressed to instead conquer the world). Once Killmonger's critiques of liberal, settler-colonialist society are revealed, and once it is further turned to the rulers of Wakanda as having done nothing to protect the colonized or even help the rest of mankind are settled on as fundamentally correct, Killmonger is undercut as a revolutionary and eventually killed by the ruling class he sought to overthrow. Killmonger himself does indeed believe in a sort of global proletarian revolution, but he is framed in much the way liberals frame Vladimir Lenin, rather than seeking the liberation of the proletariat for its own sake, Killmonger seeks it for power. The ultimate resolution, rather than revolution against an oppressive system, is instead governmental outreach from Wakanda, that being, Wakanda's integration into neoliberal society and effectively the extension of the influence of the Wakandan ruling class; in the end revolution is a step too far, even a Keynesian restructuring of the system is a bit much, the system is fully reinforced and the ruling class affirms its rule all the more. Another franchise I feel reflects our current cultural moment is the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. It should be noted that the Original Trilogy already reflected the culture of postmodernism, the OT being a pastiche of WWII serials, Flash Gordon adventure stories, and samurai films. In fact, the Star Wars OT can be thought of as reflecting postmodern culture during its heights in the late 1970s and the 1980s, whilst it was a pastiche of what came before it the format was utilized such that something that appeared to be new was crafted. A similar theory can be applied to the Prequels, having come out during postmodernism's decline they have a notable drop in quality, however they still manage to add something new to the pastiche by utilizing contemporary politics to craft the story of liberal democracies transitioning to fascist dictatorships, with the War in Iraq being the framing device of then current society. Not so with the Sequels; the ST perfectly represents, if anything, the full cultural decline of postmodernism, whereas the OT was a pastiche of many cultural artifacts made in a new form and the PT blended contemporary politics to add to this, the ST is rather a pastiche of the OT, an echo of an echo, a parody without a punchline. The ST has nothing new to say or add, the characters within simply emulate what came before them, whether intentionally in the case of Kylo Ren, or unintentionally, as in the case of Rey. In the PT, postmodernism is reflected in that it goes back in time rather than continuing the story, in the ST the story is continued and yet nothing has actually changed, the Empire still exists, the Jedi are still dead, and, as it turns out, Palpatine still exists as well. While the PT showed a new world, albeit one in the past, the ST revealed that a new world simply wasn't possible after the OT, or rather, a new world isn't possible in postmodern society. This tendency for postmodern culture to present itself as a mere pastiche of what came before grows more intense as the trilogy wears on, the first film is a clear remake of A New Hope, the second in the trilogy effectively functions as a mashup of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, the third and final film once again remakes Return of the Jedi while also drawing elements from the old Expanded Universe and the Prequel Trilogy. And what is the resolution of the ST, you might ask? Effectively none, there is no real resolution, rather than ending the story simply stops, while the OT ends with a definitive defeat of the Empire and the PT ends with the definitive fall of the Republic, the ST ends seemingly by returning things to the status quo immediately preceding it and then never actually expanding on what that status quo even was. In the end the film seemingly references its reliance and inability to evolve past the OT with its final line, as Rey bears the moniker of the Skywalkers, now dead and buried, continued not through their own children but rather a character who must take on the name to reflect the series own inability to move past what came before it. To me what is so interesting about the Sequel Trilogy is the way in which it reflects the current spate of 80s reboots and remakes, it should be noted that the ST was not the first down the pipeline of nostalgia pap; it is, however, a decent example of these films. In our moment of cultural transformation and declining postmodern culture, postmodernism looks back to works made during the heights of its power in the 1980s (and now seemingly the start of the decline in the 90s) with a sort of eerie longing, the true essence that nothing really can be new, while the films of the 80s were almost all a pastiche in some form of what came before them, the films that defined the 2010s (beyond the superhero genre, itself made up of adaptations of existing stories) were pastiches of the pastiches, reflections of a past when mankind had already given up on imagining a new future.

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News 1/11/20

Tear gas vs rocks: Anti-pension reform & Yellow Vests protests get heated in France (VIDEOS) Rallies against France’s pension reform and protests by anti-government Yellow Vests escalated into clashes with police in Paris and elsewhere on Saturday. Police used tear gas and force as some some threw stones and set fires. ‘I wish I was dead’: Senior IRGC commander accepts responsibility for downing Ukrainian jet, says it was mistaken for missile A top Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) officer has revealed that the Ukrainian jet was mistaken for an incoming cruise missile and that the commander of the anti-aircraft unit had only 10 seconds to make the decision. After 3 years of acrimony, N Ireland has a government again Legislators picked DUP leader Arlene Foster as first minister — a post she held before the previous assembly was dissolved — with Sinn Fein’s Michelle O’Neil as deputy leader. Taiwan election: Tsai Ing-Wen wins landslide in rebuke to China Winning more than 8m votes, the most any presidential candidate has garnered since Taiwan began holding direct elections for the position in 1996, Tsai easily defeated her opponent Han Kuo-yu, whose Kuomintang party promotes closer ties with China. Royal Canadian Mounted Police advocated use of live fire against indigenous pipeline protesters The incident underscores that Canada’s ruling elite will stop at nothing to enforce its insatiable drive for profit, including through the imposition of environmentally and socially destructive pipeline projects, and that opposition will be ruthlessly suppressed. USAID Arriving in Bolivia to 'Monitor Elections,' Raising Fears of US Meddling in May 3 Vote Seven years after former President Evo Morales expelled the organization from his country, claiming it was undermining his government, USAID is returning to Bolivia at the invitation of Jeanine Añez's coup government to monitor elections in the Latin American nation set for May 3. Labour leadership: Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendum Labour leadership candidate Clive Lewis has said there should be a referendum on the future of the Royal Family.Speaking at his campaign launch in London, he said: "A lot of people would like to see the monarchy scaled down." US tried to take out another Iranian leader, but failed Officials said both Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani and Shahlai were on approved military targeting lists, which indicates a deliberate effort by the U.S. to cripple the leadership of Iran’s Quds force, which has been designated a terror organization by the U.S. Officials would not say how the mission failed. Italian comedy about migrant crisis infuriates far right A record-breaking satirical comedy about migrants attempting to reach Europe has provoked a row in Italy, infuriating far-right politicians and their supporters. 34,000 Haitians Still Displaced 10 Years on from Quake Just shy of a decade since the temblor brought the island nation to its knees on Jan. 12, 2010, the head of the IOM’s mission in Haiti, Giuseppe Loprete, told EFE about how the organization has intervened to help the population.

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Regarding the current strawpoll.

Regarding the current vote: I don't understand why people want to keep everything confined to one board. It doesn't make any sense to me. We have the capability of becoming so much more than what we were forced to be on If the site as a whole was treated like leftypol this would allow post quality on the actual board to go up dramatically as everything "on topic" would be relegated to mostly political posts and posts revolving around economics. /hobby/ is still part of /leftypol/ it's just were things like the anime discussion go; those threads are lower quality and don't deserve to really be on the front page imo. We have a whole site now. Why is everyone still so set on treating this like it is 8ch?

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What makes hoo-mans so damned special?

Why are we different from other living organisms? Nothing else conceptualizes itself, introspects, wonders about their place in the universe, writes down their histories, creates epic tales of heroics and villainy, fights epic wars that decide the fate of all living things and all of their species (as far as we know). Why us? Why are we and species almost identical to us the only things like us? That think? Wonder? Make myths? Make histories? Why are we alone? Why am I human? Why are any of you human? Why are we so different from everything else that lives? Are we different than anything else that lives? Perhaps we're just apes with really good crafting skills? Perhaps we are as ants on a much larger scale? Ants fight wars and have agriculture and limited animal husbandry, after all. And everything that lives engages in some form of labor, seemingly. Are we not so special? But then again, nothing else finds fascination and wonder with the world, with themselves. We crafted spirituality in seeing the beauty and danger of nature. Afterlives in the face of mortality. Religions in the face of other men. Why us, why humans, is this a gift, is it a curse, why do we seem alone, and are we alone?

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ITT:Leftist pepes

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anarchism has always been a niche ideology despite its good ideas,lets change that,here we can discuss tactics,strategies and the future of the movement

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The practice and principles of Permaculture are one of the most important tools for not only creating a sustainable socialism, but also for repairing the damage done to the global ecosystem by capitalism, and lessening your individual reliance on the current capitalist system.
Permacultural practice and socialism are two very powerful allies, and learning about permaculture should be necessity for modern socialists and communists.

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Public Transportation thread

ITT: we discuss why right wingers have such a hate boner for public transportation and also about public transportation under leftism.

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Raiding /pol/

/pol/ is in a sad state, Nazism has been replaced by Drumpf supporters, Communism and Nazbol have become more popular. If I made a Communist general would you help by bumping and btfoing them?

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Billy's Bragg's international has amazing instrumentation, too bad the lyrics are so cringey

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Music: Which side are you on?

link: This is a great song for socialists in the US. It brings hope and knowledge to the working class of the US

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Based Mike Prysner

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The Class Question

ITT: Argue about the class distinction, how to make it, and whether it's worth doing. Where is the line between proletarian and bourgeoisie? This thread is for discussing the distinction between the two, since I've seen posters in multiple threads express confusion on this point.

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Books about middle eastern history

Anyone know of any decent books to read on the modern history of the middle east (or the last 150 years or so) that touches on Ba'athism, arab socialism, arab nationalism, pan-arabism as well as wahhabism, salafism, etc?

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The right is obsessed with birthrates. That psychotic degenerate who shot up Christchurch last year made sure to mention it three times for emphasis in his manifesto. As economic and environmental conditions worsen in the coming decades, the question of who gets to survive and reproduce will only be further politicized. Not long after this tragedy, the insufferable technocratic liberal cuck Hank Green touched on the issue as well saying essentially "Its good that western birth rates are down! It means our poor people are breeding less." Needless to say, this was no comfort to anyone but his audience of anti-natalist college students and PMCs. I imagine most here can admit the right is correct when pointing out that western (post-industrial) nations are not reproducing themselves and have become dependent on migrant labor. Whether it is Latin Americans in the United States or Africans and Middle Easterners in Western Europe-- these laborers are across the board subjected to shit working conditions, forced to live in alienating often violent ethnic enclaves and are left by imperialism with no homeland to return to. The established working class populations by little contrast are being poisoned by opioids, bled dry by the landlords and rightly experience a huge degree of anxiety as what little culture and tradition remains to them is sacrificed on the alter of global capital. My question to leftypol is: what revolutionary changes must take place so that both populations may go on living without a reactionary race war breaking out? What specific state, individual or mass actions can unite disparate sections of the working class who are being led astray by identitarianism? I miss the days when communists proudly said "no war but the class war" I still firmly believe all future policy on all matters should reflect this fundamental principle.

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Reduction of work hours

Would the work week be reduced under socialism? How much could it realistically be reduced given the current productivity levels? Wouldn't focusing on the reduction of the standard 40 hour work week (I know it's not really 40 for most people) vastly increase the socialist base? Surely most proles would love more free time to relax and spend with their families and friends.

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I was talking with my friend who's family is from the USSR and we started talking about the East German secret police, or 'Stasi' as they are commonly known. He's a left-lib so he was making the argument that he'd rather in a libertarian capitalist society than an authoritarian communist one. I did try explaining to him that modern surveillance under capitalism is obviously more advanced than the Stasi ever could be and that will stamp you even faster any totalitarian regime if you challenge their power substantially. Are there any first-hand sources regarding them and their actions? Were they as bad as they are thought to be?

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Why did George McGovern lose so badly to Nixon? It's often claimed that he went "too far left" but I wonder if it was that simple.

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Redpill me on George Soros

In liberal circles it has become pretty much illegal to drop this guy's name. He represents the portion of the bourgeoisie which happens to be Jewish afterall. The libs are all neurotic and deeply afraid of perpetuating muh harmful stereotypes. It doesn't help that Alex Jones' crazy ass has a fixation-- believing him to be some kinda inter-dimensional vampire or whatever further muddying the waters. But who is Geroge Soros, really? All racist spooks aside. I know he played a huge role in funding anti-communist groups across the Eastern bloc. He was Yeltsin's #1 foreign backer in the Russian election of 1996 and his name is basically synonymous with the European Union. This alone should make him irredeemable, right? He also has a shit load of money tied up in the LGBT movement--peddling the insane alienating tumblr idpol that has made all attempts at building a true socialist movement in the west pretty much impossible. What is his end game? Where does he stand in relation to the other big players in global bourgeois politics? Are the horrible deeds of George Soros obscured by the conspiracy theories surrounding him or his he just a dying capitalist from yesteryear?

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Xi's Grand Plan

>China to transition fully to socialism by 2050 >Rate of Profit supposedly hits zero by 2050 presumably ending the economic conditions necessary for capitalism's existence Coincidence?

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Mutualism - The Wolf in Anarchist Clothing

"When we are fluid and flexible, we cannot be ruled. When our lives are made of innumerable and infinite actions, we will be ungovernable. When we reject the quantification of our very lives, we will be free. To the mutualist, I say, 'Stop counting. Start living.'"

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So, what gives, who else is from spanish speaking america here, and what's the status of the left or what's considered as such in your country? I am in a quandry and I need to know your opinion: I've been part of a right wing movement my whole life, but I can see the writing on the wall of the current system. I've read the writings of Marx, and Lenin in particular (since Marx is quite... long, Capital is like the longest series of books ever) I've spoken to some people in the 'left' in my country since I found myself to sympathize more with the writings, but I find myself unable to sympathize with the mainstream opinion of the left wing coalition party of my country that has ruled it for 15 years now. I probably am going to be IP range banned outright, I don't know why I am even posting. No, I don't like Chavez, much less his successors, I don't like the fact that most of the mainstream seems to think and act as if Venezuela were a pristine democracy trademark registered. And seem to think Cuba is actually communist, which I find hilarious from the standpoint of what I've read regarding the matter. Right now I've thrown my lot behind the local 'national' party that's about to come to power alongside a motley crew of pink to right wing parties. I harbour a lot of sympathy for Trump and Bolsonaro, which has raised quite a few eyebrows in the past when I've said it, not exactly because they've gone out of their way to destroy stuff, but because they seem to connect with the people at some primal level. In a way, they are the reason why I ever came to see the writing in the wall. They represent the very failure of a system that turns on itself and tries to go backwards when it should be trying to fix itself. I guess after this comes the part where someone says I should off myself for sympathizing with fascist, protofascist or neoliberal trash. Oh, and I posted the image Friederich List because its one of the guys I have a sympathy for, too, although I know they are very much in contraposition to marxism in general, alongside the long dead historical german school of economics.

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News 1/9/20

Teachers, nurses and public-sector workers join pension strikes across France TEACHERS, nurses and other public-sector workers joined pension strikes in France today as President Emmanuel Macron’s political crisis continues to deepen. Russian Court Rules to Demolish Controversial Landfill A Russian court has ruled to demolish the landfill at the heart of a year-long battle over Moscow’s waste, marking a major victory for regional activists who actively opposed its construction, news outlets reported Thursday. Massive all-India general strike protests Modi’s pro-investor, communalist policies Tens of millions of Indian workers, youth and rural toilers joined a one-day nationwide general strike yesterday to protest the Bharatiya Jananta Party (BJP) government’s pro-investor and communalist policies. Ceasefire Deal Reached in Syria's Idlib: Russia “According to the agreements with the Turkish side, the ceasefire regime was introduced in the Idlib de-escalation zone starting from 14.00 Moscow time (1100 GMT) on Jan. 9 2020,” Russian major-general Yury Borenkov is quoted as saying. French police restraint techniques criticised after Paris arrest death Human rights groups and lawyers have criticised French police restraint techniques after a 42-year-old delivery driver died after being held on the ground during a police check near the Eiffel Tower in Paris. No Sunday truce: Libya’s Haftar rejects Putin-Erdogan ceasefire call The general also declared jihad against Turkey last week, after the parliament in Ankara voted to approve the troop deployment. Anti-establishment views unite, divide Hong Kong protesters Ng sees the appeals of Hong Kong protesters to the U.S. as a distress signal, more a desperate cry for help than a sign of any ideological inclination.“Hong Kong people are traditionally very utilitarian,” Ng says. “They will try whatever path that they may think to help the cause.” Satan for scrap: Russia to DESTROY two of its most powerful strategic nuclear missiles in 2020 Russia is set to dismantle two of its Soviet-era intercontinental ballistic missiles – still considered the most powerful in the world – this year. The R-36M2 ICBMs are commonly known under the NATO reporting name SS-18 Satan. Plastic packaging ban 'could harm environment' Glass bottles, for instance, are much heavier than plastic so are far more polluting to transport.Paper bags tend to have higher carbon emissions than plastic bags – and are more difficult to re-use.

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THIRD WORLDISM: >1. We wait for the 3d world to have a revolution >2. The west collapses due to loss of labour power >3.<strike>Profit</strike>

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Do you vote? Do you think voting matters in the country you are eligible to vote in? Do you think the voting process can fix your country?

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News 1/10/20

US is not willing to withdraw troops from Iraq, says Pompeo Washington is not willing to bow to Iraqi demands to withdraw its troops and any future discussions with Baghdad will be purely confined to the future structure of its forces in the country, the US state department has said. Millions march in France as strikes against Macron pension cut spread Amid spreading calls to bring down Macron, the refinery workers, port workers and certain Air France employees joined the strike of rail, mass transit and public school workers launched on December 5—now the longest continuous strike action in France since the May–June 1968 general strike. Two Labour MPs call for The Sun to be banned in Parliament The motion from Ian Byrne, representing Liverpool West Derby, and Paula Barker, whose constituency is Liverpool Wavertree, attacks the right-wing rag for its coverage of the Hillsborough disaster. CPI Maoist Increase And Expand Operations Into Karnataka-Kerala-Tamil Nadu Tri-Junction Area “This arrest is very significant. This is the first case that confirms the links of Dandakaranya’s Adivasi Maoists with the KKT region,” P. Sundarraj, Bastar’s Inspector General of Police, told me. Bandera supporters march in major Ukrainian cities after government names Nazi collaborators “national heroes” On January 1, 2020, far-right elements and government officials participated in processions in the major Ukrainian cities Kiev, Odessa, L’viv, and Dnipro, to honor the Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera’s 111th birthday. Twitter suspends over a dozen Venezuelan government, military accounts Twitter Inc has suspended more than a dozen accounts associated with Venezuela’s government and military, including the OPEC nation’s oil ministry and the armed forces’ operational command. 100,000 children in London 'without secure immigration status' Research finds more than half UK’s estimated 674,000 undocumented adults and children live in the capital Hungary Says It Will Offer Free Fertility Treatments To Counter Population Decline Hungary has announced that it will offer free in-vitro fertilization treatments, the latest major initiative to try to boost the country's population numbers, which have been declining for decades. Number of Fires in Brazilian Amazon Increased 30% in 2019 The number of forest fires in Brazil’s Amazon region increased by 30 percent last year, from 68,345 in 2018 to 89,178 in 2019, while in 2017, a record 107,439 fires were recorded.

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>be United States >claim to be against ISIS >destroy every regime against ISIS, Iran, Libya, Syria >Iran, Syria, Russia destroy ISIS >claim you took out ISIS to fool public >continue aiding jihadists groups and rebels for further debstabalization for greater Israel America is not a real country

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Rodrigo Duerte

What do people think of this guy? He's apart of the socialist party and is supported mainly by the working class, but he's also trying to wipe out the Maoists.

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Would a comprehensive welfare state solve capitalism?

"We do not want to rob any one of his coat, but we wish to give to the workers all those things the lack of which makes them fall an easy prey to the exploiter, and we will do our utmost that none shall lack aught, that not a single man shall be forced to sell the strength of his right arm to obtain a bare subsistence for himself and his babes" pg 43 the conquest of bread, Kropotkin This really got my noggin joggin, I dont think I really agree with it. I think a comprehensive welfare state would lead to far less workers and more ethical wages, but especially now with automation we would have a class of wealthy elites conspiring to erode the welfare state.

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Global Capitalism Update January

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Classcuck thread. ITT: we make fun of classcucks.

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Public Speaking

How should we go about speaking our ideas in public? Surely we shouldn't make ourselves look like loons by preaching to apathetic passers by but relegating ourselves to preaching to the choir does no good. So what do? Bring megaphones to protests and piggy back off less radical organizations? Organize our own events? Also general public speaking advice would be appreciated.

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Who are some of the most well known Fascists that turned into Communists during their life?

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I own a very niche small business and employ only three people (all middle aged Mexican ladies who I pay way above market price for their labor and treat very nicely). About two years ago a new competitor entered the market and basically copied my style, product, etc. This made me lose business and stressed me out, so since last June I ve been trying unorthodox and unethical ways to fuck that company over. I has worked, business is doing better and judging by that other companies actions they are feeling the pressure. If I went the traditional way of 'competing' I could kick the people who work for me out (who I don't really see getting a better job as they don't have an education or meaningful experience) , replace them with teenagers paying them the bare minimum squeezing the most I can from them while taking a loan from the bank and face loses for years until they crack, if that even happens. Is this capitalisms fault or I'm a piece of shit? Because basically its either them or me(and my family). Is it even possible to ethical in a capitalist society?

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Climate Change denialism is not real. Yeah sure, your parents and some other retarded hicks might not believe in it but it is a relevant political force for every country in the world. The right wing back swing is a direct response to the oncoming crisis. This group of rich people and politicians have decided to hunker down, shut the borders and try to turn back to the clock so they can become self sufficient to prepare for the oncoming collapse of the global economy. They know exactly what they're doing. They aren't stupid.

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The chan is growing!

Why is this happening? Yeah, I know that the iran thing has brought a lot of non-usual leftypolers here, but I have never seen it this big, what has happened, are they glowies, are there new people in here because of the Iran fiasco?

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Basically just right wingers.

>Glorious leader isn't a monarchist, guys! >Fellow leftists, we should do social engineering. Socialism is when the state imposes a predetermined morality on the masses and socially ostricizes anybody who sins. >Surveillance and secret police wasn't a terrible but unfortunately necessary thing in some revolutionary countries, actually it's a good thing that all socialist countries should do! >Socialist countries from decades ago banned (Insert thing I don't like here) so we should do the same! This is the sort of shit that makes me not want to call myself a ML.

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International Anti-Americanism

Stats for determining based populations (Pew Research from 2019, biased toward western influence and developed countries unfortunately). >Top list of anti-Americanism: (!-symbol equaling a predominance of left-wing views and policies) · Turkey · Tunisia · Russia · Germany (!) · Mexico (!) >Honorable mentions (for being proficient in English, victims to US cultural imperialism, but STILL being predominantly anti-American): · Argentina (!) · Sweden (!) <Top list of most colluding/psywar'd national populations: (v-symbol equaling a poorer national development, hence likely victims of psywar): · Israel · Philippines (v) · Poland · South Korea · Ukraine (v) · Lithuania · Japan · Hungary · Italy >Summary: Most based: Germany, Mexico, Argentina & Sweden Most cucked: Israel, Poland, South Korea, Lithuania, Japan, Hungary & Italy * P.S.: in other studies China, North Korea, Iran and Chile have shown to be based anti-American while Vietnam shows up cucked

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Michelle Greenstein exposing US imperialism

Michelle Greenstein of RT exposing the US. Even mentioned in the beginning how ISIS never attacks Israel, mentioning how ISIS only helps the west by destabilizing the middle east.

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Bakunin's Secrete invisible dictatorship

<Bakunin, involved in the revolutionary movement in Bohemia, later recounted that his aim was the establishment of a “government with unlimited dictatorial power,” in which “all will be subjugated to a single dictatorial authority,” through three secret societies based on “strict hierarchy and unconditional discipline.” This was only the first version of Bakunin’s lifelong fabrication of various forms of a “secret dictatorship” exercised by “Invisible Dictators what was this about ?

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Chaves knew what the US was doing for years. We should’ve lisend when we had the chance.

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Christcom General
Who /christcom/ here? Death to America, death to the Great Satan. What are some essential thinkers for Christcoms to study (other than the usual Five Heads)? IMO:
-Jesus Christ
-Chavez and Maduro
-Hassan Nasrallah
-Thomas Müntzer
-Ayatollahs Khomeini and Khamenei
-Malcolm X
-Che and Fidel

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has anyone seen these cringe ass boomer animations?

So recently on youtube I stumbled upon this channel that makes these fucking weird alt-right animations called ME ME MEME. The humor relies heavily on earrape screams and jokes as dead as the attack helicopter shit. Here is a video you can watch from that channel you can watch for self torture:

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wtf is going on in Vietnam? Is Trong putting the country on the road to Socialism, or is this a sign of a massive tax evasion scheme?

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Well There's Your Problem

Newest episode of everyone's favorite podcast about engineering disasters (And also labor politics)

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Means TV

how successful are their propaganda efforts?

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It Was the Worst Decade for the Left Since the 1930s. How Come Nobody Much Noticed — or Cares? >It was the worst decade for the left since the 1930s. But weirdly, the left doesn’t seem to even understand that, much less be curious about why that ruinous oucome happened. >The left wasn’t destroyed just by the right. The left committed a kind of political suicide, across the globe. >The right didn’t destroy the left. It didn’t need to. The left destroyed itself. It committed suicide, turning on itself, instead of fighting the bad guys. One bite at a time. With irrelevant narcissism, impotent perfectionism, endless infighting, a great forgetting of its raison d’être — which culminated, worst of all, in a shattering indifference to the suffering of the world. Thoughts on this article?

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I am a late 20's near 30ish old school mellinial/borderline gen X'er. My experiences with the internet have been one of vast growth and experementation. Back in the day I used to use multiple platforms and sites; myspace, 4chan, youtube, 7chan, 420chan; my point being that I used multiple chans and enjoyed them all equally. From my time spent lurking 8ch and leftypol I have gathered that people no longer favor using multiple chans and imageboards, for, reasons that don't totally make sense too me. I guess what I am asking is what is the deal with the hatred of "cross posting" as you kids call it now a days. Why do you hate using multiple chans? I don't get why people generally feel like using leftypol has to ONLY be on bunkerchan, for example. I mean, I think that bunkerchan could be our "home base", per say, but, I don't really get the notion that we can't or shouldn't use other spaces for our influence. It's not like it takes a vast amount of resources. Maybe some one can enlighten me?

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Happy birthday, Mr. Kim!

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News 1/8/20

Trump: 'The American people should be extremely grateful and happy' as Iran stands down after attack Trump suggested the United States would refrain from further military action, saying he would impose new economic sanctions on Iran instead. Argentina revokes credentials of representative for Venezuela's Guaido In a blow to Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido, Argentina’s government said on Tuesday it did not recognize him as his nation’s interim president and had revoked the credentials of his representative in Buenos Aires. Germany cuts troop numbers in Iraq after Suleimani killing The German decision underlines the extent to which the assassination may have weakened the years-long efforts of the coalition forces to fight Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. Nato has already announced that all training of Iraqi forces has been suspended. Landless Workers Begin Vigil Against Evictions in Brazil At least two months after the Free Lula Vigil ended, the Brazilian city of Curitiba, in Parana state, has become the scenario of new demonstrations led by the Landless Workers' Movement (MTS) to denounce possible evictions. New Year’s Eve in Leipzig: German media and police spread false reports about left-wing violence The police, leading politicians and the media have declared that clashes between police officers and young people celebrating the New Year in the suburb of Connewitzer Kreuz in Leipzig amounted to politically motivated attempts to commit murder and are pushing false reports to launch a massive political campaign aimed at raising the spectre of left-wing extremism. Deliveroo rider racially attacked in Nottingham days after colleague murdered in London ADELIVEROO rider in Nottingham suffered a racist assault while working just days after another was murdered in London, the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain (IWGB) said today. Putin & Erdogan call on warring Libyan sides to fully cease fire on Sunday Russia and Turkey have called for all parties in the ongoing Libyan conflict to declare a ceasefire, even as both countries seem to support opposite sides in the affray. Starmer first Labour MP to have enough nominations to get name on leadership ballot SIR KEIR STARMER has received enough nominations from Labour MPs to enter the second phase of the Labour leadership contest. Ecuador Buys $4m Worth of Non-Lethal Weapons for Armed Forces Ecuador’s Ministry of Defense announced Monday it will purchase US$3.6 million worth of non-lethal weapons and riot gear for the Armed Forces, ahead of new strikes called by various social and Indigenous groups for the first quarter of 2020. AUSTRALIA WILDFIRE MAP UPDATE: OUT OF CONTROL BLAZES MERGE AS PEOPLE FACE EXTREME FIRE DANGER CONDITIONS The NSW RFS has advised that this fire is out of control and is currently burning through 138,000 hectares and has also merged with another fire; the Poole Road fire.

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Thoughts on Hasan Piker? Can we trust him?

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News 1/7/20

Iran ‘not interested’ in having nukes, will stick to JCPOA once given benefits in return – UN envoy Prohibited by the supreme leader’s decree, nuclear weapons are inconsistent with Iran’s defensive doctrine, the country’s UN envoy said after Tehran announced the suspension of limits under the 2015 deal. Support grows for Long Bailey after Lavery pulls back from Labour leadership race After her announcement in Tribune on Monday night, Labour Party chairman Ian Lavery pulled back from entering the race and offered his “full support” to Ms Long Bailey. Venezuelan National Assembly To Reactivate Legislative Agenda The new President of the National Assembly (NA) of Venezuela Luis Parra said Monday that the new directive will work to "reactivate the legislative agenda" and move towards the formation of a National Electoral Council (CNE) to regulate the next round of elections in the country. Spain's Sánchez narrowly wins vote to govern in coalition== The dramatic open vote, by a simple majority of MPs, went 167 to 165 in his favour. Abstentions by Catalan and Basque MPs played a critical role. Iraq asks US to clarify after letters with different messages on troop withdrawal received Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi acknowledged receiving a letter from the US military containing an outline for the withdrawal of American troops from his country. However, the Iraqi leader said that the English and Arabic versions of the letter were not identical, and that he has requested clarification, Reuters reported on Tuesday. Argentina Anti-Hunger Plan Starts, 66,000 Food Cards Allocated Argentinian Alberto Fernandez's administration began its 'Anti-Hunger' program Monday in the northern and poor-stricken province of Chacho with the allocation of 66,499 food cards to low-income families. Cadres Of Chand Led CPN Exchange Gunfire With Police In Surkhet District Cadres of the Netra Bikram Chand-led Nepal Communist Party and police exchanged fire at Cheneri Taal area in western Surkhet on Wednesday. Libya chaos intensifies with drone massacre and rebel advances The nine-month assault on the UN-backed Libyan government has moved closer to a bloody climax, with the Tripoli administration reeling from the loss of key coastal territory to rebel forces, and a lack of international condemnation of a drone strike that massacred 30 of its military cadets. Nuclear waste removal begins 30 years after power station closure Work emptying its vast concrete vaults of the nuclear waste Berkeley generated is only now able to safely begin.But it will not be safe for humans to go inside its reactor cores until 2074. Asia on high alert amid fears mystery pneumonia virus in China could spread A mysterious respiratory illness gripping a central Chinese city has put countries in southeast Asia on high alert after it was feared to have spread to Singapore.

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Tor General /TorPostingG/

who else /Torposting/ rn? Comfy as fuck >Reminder that your gov is tracking you rn

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Juan Guaidó is no longer president of the Venezuelan National Assembly

Luis Parra, with the help of the PSUV, was declared the new president of the Venezuelan National Assembly, effectively cucking out Juan Guaidó out of the presidency. What a year start!

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The Principles of Communism | Reading Group #1

NEW YEAR NEW START Everybody get in here for the book club. Let's go with this for now. >>164246 >>164296 >>164326 1. Read Go read The Principles of Communism by Fred Engels. Let's use this version since it should be available to everyone and not subject to the thread dying or posts being deleted. 2. Respond Make a post replying to the text, maybe point by point with each principle - they are numbered after all. Since the document is a draft, there are a few things you might do. >ask questions of other anons >clarify or reword certain points >find disagreements with the text >contextualize, either with Marx & Engels' body of work, history, or the present day >generate some original ideas (don't have to be any good) for us to discuss >distill an idea to a slogan or talking point for normies Respond however you think would be productive 3. Discuss Build a collective understanding of the work. Read the posts by other anons and respond to those as well. Answer questions. Argue over interpretation or conclusions. Come up with questions that might be answered with further reading, research, or experience. This one can help inspire further threads. 4. Save Screencap and save good effortposts. Upload those to the booru. Let's also discuss where we can upload text versions of posts anons make.

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Bringing back the old thread because I think we need our own internet encyclopedia. (I am not admin of leftypedia or the original poster)

Thread for the development and further discussion of

> What is Leftypedia?
Leftypedia is a comprehensive wiki for left-wing politics. The reality today is that the majority of working class people no longer get their information from physical, linear publications. In order for the proletariat to become educated on matters of theory, it must be easily accessible to them as an online encyclopedia. Leftypedia is an answer to this demand.

> Shouldn't people just read Marx? What if the website distorts good theory?
Leftypedia aspires to document original leftist theory as directly as possible. Original texts must be quoted extensively when speaking about them. Ideally, articles should begin with a simplified account of the core of some subject, dispel common misconceptions, and then go on to elaborate nuances and controversies. Throughout all of this we should allow original authors to speak as much as possible. The objective is to translate leftist theory into another form, not to rewrite it.

> Does Leftypedia belong to any particular leftist tendency?
No. Leftypedia avoids taking any definite positions outside of general anti-capitalism. Disagreements must be elaborated within the text. If you read anything you disagree with, edit the page. Don't delete what is written, but rewrite it to make clear which side it is coming from. Then go on to nuance it, and elaborate contradicting viewpoints. In this way disagreements can propel us forward instead of holding us back.

> Doesn't Wikipedia document leftist theory very well already?
Wikipedia does well on a lot of accounts. However, it is written to provide general encyclopedic value, not to propagate leftist politics. Many of the things that can be written on Leftypedia wouldn't be accepted on Wikipedia because of their niche importance or "biased" narrative.

> Does Leftypedia allow original research?
Yes, it encourages it! However, it should be kept clearly separated from more encyclopedic material. If you want to write your own take on Leftypedia, you should do this on a page or subsection specifically dedicated to it.

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> Why did you break with Marxistpedia?

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Which one of you did this?

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Falling Rate of Profit

I would really like to fully learn about the FRoP. It seems to be the most important piece of Marxist theory in the modern day, and possibly the best argument against anyone suggesting to keep a free capitalist market, however there also seem to be practically no easy to digest sources on it online. So, how does it actually work and why does it happen?
From what I've watched of the Cockshott's video on it, he explains FRoP as a result of the increasing rate of capital reinvestment along with the limited amount of workers that there are. Yet he also says that technology and more capital spent away by porkies for luxuries instead of reinvestment increase the FRoP, so why can't this be balanced out to keep it stable? Also, even if it does drop, why would it ever go to 0 or sub-0 rate? Shouldn't it only exponentially approach 0 instead?
Meanwhile other vids on it that I find argue instead that the rate drops because of technological advancements and undercutting, though I still don't fully understand this explanation. Anyway, this would seem to be in conflict with what Cockshott says.
Also, how exactly is pic related derived? And wouldn't the possibility of profits hitting 0% in the next 30 years result in groups of porkies specifically betting their capital against the system in hopes of profiting from a massive collapse? You'd think it would become at least to some extent a popular financial decision that might even get press attention.
So in short, I want to know everything I can about the FRoP, preferably to the extent that I could actually go out and actually explain it to other people in arguments or if they are asking like I am right now.

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/rojg/ - Rojava general

A general thread for discussing Rojava's ideology and situation

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Alexander Bogdanov

What are the boards' thoughts on this chad Marxist mad scientist? Thoughts on his views on Tektology, cybernetics, proletkult and god building? Do you believe he would have been a better substitute for Lenin, or a better successor to Lenin had he been more careful in his medical experiments?

I've found his ideas to be of increasing interest lately. He strikes me as a far more intelligent version of Georges Sorel. Like Sorel he had a fascination with higher aspirations of socialism, rejuvenation of humanity through proletarian revolution, opposition to capitalist decadence, belief in a mass proletarian culture, etc. Where he differs from Sorel is obviously the absence of Bergsonian mystical garbage, actually sought to invigorate civilization through attempting to form a new socialist conception of virtues, science, and culture, and not returning to traditionalism and consorting with royalists, oh and he actually tried to build this great socialist epoch of higher considerations by educating workers in the aims of building mass culture and not whining in endless cahiers to show his reactionary friends.

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Why DOES falling rates of profit cause crisis in capitalism?

So we all should know that capitalism over time makes profit fall (because they invest more money in machinery which increases their maintenance costs while the extracted labour value of the workers get smaller as a proportion). But why does this cause a capitalist crisis? Why don't capitalist enterprises continue reproducing the status quo of production? What causes the actual crisis? And if the crisis causing is done purely because of a desire to increase profits and expand production, does this mean that the falling rate of profit is not an issue withing a market socialist/titoist system?

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Would you consider this racist?

Do you think Blacks can go overboard on their attacks on White people? Do you think Blacks are also very much guilty of being racist similar to Whites in the modern day which does not aid in class warfare? Read comments below >

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Beware of glowies

I want to warn anons ITT it's not unlikely that in the next couples of days /leftypol/ (and other politically minded websites) will be the target of glowies and shills that will try to disrupt any discussions involving American imperialism and try to manufacture consent for an US aggression of Iran. Be vigilant and try not fall for obvious diversion attempts and bait, just report those posts.

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Assuming you die in 10 years, How do you spend your time?

Choose your future >You are a 20-something year old white male >It is the 2020s >You are living in The West™ >You have $1000 in savings >The world will come to a slow collapse over the course of the next few years >Mass immigration into your country is inevitable >Can either vote for ecofascists or climate-denying fascists >You can live with your parents as a NEET or try to wage slave and be normal >You realize that it is immoral and unaffordable to have children >The internet is slowly radicalizing young people >You are told the human race has 10 years left to live What do you do with your time left?

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Is the CPUSA redeemable? Their last chairman left after the party took a left turn and joined the Dems (lol). But they seem to be having much better theory and newspapers than the PSL, have better internationalist work (contacts to Cuba, China, etc.) and seem to have more presence in the trade unions.

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what do you guys think of the bonapartes, were they good for france/europe ?

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Article on PSL and Other "ML" Groups

According to Some Guy(TM), PSL is just another "activist networking organization", only slightly better than DSA and radlib groups, and lacking in working-class base-building. Is it true? If so, is joining a cranky Leninist newspaper club even worth the tradeoff in numbers compared to just radicalizing the DSA?

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What are opportunism and revisionism actually

These words just get thrown around randomly. What the fuck do they actually mean? Sources from Marx and co would be nice.

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Can nationalism be a legitimate and useful strategy in the first world to counter alienation or is it doomed to being straight false consciousness?

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Reminder to make a class analisis

Recently there have been a lot of bait threads that amounted to little else but cultural shit flinging.

So please consider using class analysis as the primary framework for analysis. Consider that Porky wants to you to distract you with culture fights, and the correct response is to change these topic to a class analysis.

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What are your thoughts on this?

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History books on Stalinist Russia and Maoist China

Hello, I want to inform myself on the history of Stalinist Russia and Maoist China. What are some books/sources that I can read to get a good sense of what was going on and keep myself informed. Thanks!

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I need your energy, /leftypol/ I call on everybody who glances at this post to help Khamenei-sama rid this world of the demonic Americans.

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So, how do we stop them, once and for all?

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Anons, It's about to go down.

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Epsteins "madam" who procured children for Epstein and his friends, is now hiding in Israel, alleged to be a Mossad spy Are we gonna talk about this shit? This entire direction this story has taken is so unbelievably insane and beyond any cliche you can imagine.

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Oy vey!

>Chief Sephardic Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef has alleged that masses of immigrants from former Soviet states aren’t Jewish and many are Communist, religion-hating Gentiles.