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We want your opinion
As you may have heard, we are currently hard at work building a new board software for our beautiful bunker.
Now, we want your opinion on the following:
While designing the software, we have found that having per-board post numbers proves to be disproportionally complex, especially when performing actions like moving threads, or ensuring numbers actually aren't duplicates of each other.
It would be much easier to switch from per-board post ids to site wide post ids. This would have the following advantages and disadvantages:
>You would be able to link to any thread and post on the site in the same manner as you do within a board, namely >>number, rather than needing to do >>>/boardname/number
>It would make the backend a lot less complex, the database interactions less error prone, the code much simpler
>Less work for the dev team
>Moving threads and posts would work without needing extra complex code to renumber all references to it on the entire site.
>Less mistakes can occur when moving threads by mods
>No more board specific number gets.
We would like your opinion on this change. We will be polling soon tm.
Cheers, Rat, dev.
ps. for more information of the database design please see >>424205
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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list
Guide for new Anons:
>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?
/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.
>I'm not a leftist can I post here?
Non-leftists can come here to ask questions. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.
>Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Clinton? Are you all Zionists???
No liberals here. We hate the Democrat party.
As for Israel, leftism is anti-Zionist. It is not anti-Jew. Unlike /pol/, /leftypol/ fully supports Palestinians, and doesn't think they're "mudslimes".
Pretending to be an SJW or Zionist will very likely get you banned.
>Why did you leave /pol/ and why does this board exist?
/leftypol/ existed to help the 8chan community focus on leftist topics without being slid or flooded to death, and now has moved to Bunkerchan as constant alt-right chud murderers and Qanon boomers killed 8chan.
>Do you support gun control?
While posters on /leftypol/ have varying stances on gun control (training requirements, mental health checks, etc.), they are overwhelmingly in favor of arming the proletariat.
>Do you support "national" socialism?
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An american revolution wouldn't work
I'm recently seeing a lot of burger, former socdems advocating for a down right communist revolution. there seems to be potential there but my concern is that you people would lose fairly quickly if you you went into a a civil war against these guns lunatic libertarians. How do you expect to win a revolution like that?
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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general
A general thread for all China related discussion
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/IG/ - Internet General 7.0 - IRONY edition
Discuss e-celebs, lefty youtube, twitter, twitch, etc.
Last one hit bump limit.
What does /leftypol/ think of people saying things ironically
? Inspired by >>184629
but by all means let's talk about irony in general too. How does irony function in online politics? Is it just a smokescreen? Is it sometimes not? Can we even tell the difference?
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question for MLs
what did you all learn from the USSR experiment? how are you all planning on it not fall all over again and still be Marxist Leninist?
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/cvg/ - Coronavirus General: USA #1 Edition
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Often liberals (and other scum) as an argument against socialism use statistics from the cold war that socialist Eastern European countries,North Korea and China had lower GDP per capita compared to western Europe,South Korea and Taiwan. Are there are any practical explainings or debunks to this that liberals can understand other than west being imperialist? Even so if US is imperialist why is South Korea and Taiwan so rich? On the other hand why are so many capitalist Latin American,African and Asian countries like Brazil,Pakistan or Chad so poor? Do western countries exploid some countries but invest heavily into others?
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Support your local Ba'ath Brigade
Reminder that Ba'ath Arab Socialism is real Socialism and its enemies are enemies of the workers.
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United States Politics - /USApol/
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Damn Jehu - Communism is free time and nothing else
Anyone remember this guy? He's a leftcom who wrote a blog and a twitter account where he argued that if everyone just stopped working, it would lead to communism. I can't stop thinking about his meme-tier ideology because of the Corona quarantines. I guess we will see if he was right.
These days he actually moderates a subreddit lmao:
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A revenge against the right-wing meme
Guys can we use barbara pit as the left wing fight back against the pinochet fanbois.....
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Harm Reduction vs. Accelerationism
Bernie's out of the race. Big sad.
Ever since things stopped looking good for him electorally, I've been stuck between trying to decide between two positions to take in November. Either I show up and vote for Biden in the name of harm reduction, or I stay home / vote Trump in the hope that the system burns down faster.
I'm completely stuck between these two right now, so I want your best for / against arguments on both sides, anons.
>noooooo you can't just submit to electoralism, democracy will never bring about tangible steps towards the worker state noooooo
fuck off with that for right now, I want direct situational analysis in this thread.
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How does the American left move on from Bernie Sanders?
How can we use the complete and total failure of Bernie's electoralist organizing to benefit the American left, instead of seeing a repeat of Jeremy Corbyn? Better yet, how do we further radicalize these SocDems and push that organizing power towards something constructive, while also weeding out the bourgeois influence that exists in Bernie's base?
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Construction work is a much more dangerous profession than being a cop, and involves building things that people can actually use, rather than harrassing people, murdering people, and ruining their lives.
Pointing this out has gotten me ostracised from my family.
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/leftybritpol/ - Chlamydia For Boris Edition
Hope the roach croaks soon, then Marshall can finally be in charge.
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anti-technology a false conciouness
Many people including on here tend to see a contradiction between machines and people
Sometimes in banal ways like saying machine-automation render people un-employed, what is happening here is that in reality the contradiction is between capitalists and workers, If the class contradiction were resolved than machine automation reduces the workload and produce a life with more abundance and greater amounts of leisure times for workers.
In other ways the anti-technology false consciousness is expressed in ways like Ted Kaczyinski who thinks that technology is suppressing humanity, even to the point where technology is declared to be a being from the future. Obviously this is just a reactionary way of blaming technology for the crimes of capitalism.
Keep in mind that nothing surpasses or overrides the class struggle
Machines and technology are just dead labour, even if you try to go beyond this
you just end up with a robot proletariat fighting the class struggle
The error is in thinking that there is a contradiction between humans and technology, which is preposterous nonsense, the contradiction is the abuse of machines for the purpose of class war the capitalist class is fighting against the workers. You have to point the finger at the perpetrator not just the tools used.
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DOW/Market Watch Thread
monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations, etc.
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Hoxha: CHINA'S PLAN TO BECOME A SUPERPOWER
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We should raid 4chan
If we can change their opinion on various political topics, we could singlehandedly stop this current normalization of right wing fascist beliefs. Considering most modern right wingers and fascists are born out of impressionable yound people who go to 4/pol/
I'd say we should start with a smaller, less political board. I feel /mu/ would have the highest success ratem considering the board is already pretty left as is, because the genres they enjoy all are majority leftist. The only isssue is that /mu/ doesnt have much outside power and is mainly just contained.
/tv/ would be trickier but more effective in the long run, they are the most political board besides /pol/. The vast majority of /tv/'s memes leak into other boards. If we can colonize /tv/, our influence can reach many other boards.
Here's what I suppose we do:
We decide on a time, then we strike by not spamming threads, but by checking the catalog for any political right wing threads and shitpost them to death. Then slowly we start posting various leftist memes (reminder to post ones that aren't blocks of text or /pol/cunts can weaponize the "left cant meme" shit) across the board. And generally being active on it, shooting down any right wing opinions in favor of lefist ones.
>inb4 we dont have enough numbers
we have 357 posters, if even half of that starts to shitpost on 4/tv/ with dedication, we can easily win.
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Communist anime girls thread
A thread for communist anime girls
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You are now aware of the fact that Cuba is the only country with a working and functioning health system
Unlike in the Western countries where it was neoliberally economised to the ground, Cuba's is working. It's probably the only country in the whole world, where it does.
Also thanks to the embargo, they get zero repercussions from the stockening, so another plus. They play it right, they might become the next superpower.
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How would technology be different if the USSR won the Cold War? Would discontinued shit like the unmanned space probes program, OGAS, or the Ekranoplan survive?
The bigger question for me is that it’s becoming harder and harder to see technological developments without the profit motive, planned obsolescence, or outright sabotage of your own products like in capitalism. Could this hypothetical USSR keep developing new technology the same way it did?
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Rail Appreciation Thread
It's that time again. Post trams and trains and other rail vehicles. Both vehicles from AES and c*pitalist countries welcome.
I am looking for this one very aesthetic picture of a tram going down a grassy incline. I think it was from Czechoslovakia but not sure.
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What the actual fuck is wrong with Poland?
Why the fuck are they such incomplete human beings? All throughout history Poland has been an irrelevant shithole, its historical role was to be controlled by German interests or Russian interests; Poles are proud of fucking nothing, the Soviets saved them from total extermination by the Germans, the Soviets saw that they shat in a hole on the ground and used wooden fucking plows and gave them toilets and tractors, they saw a braindead superstitious culture and tried making them an industrial scientific people, the worst of the Soviet years affected them badly because their fucktard leaders chose not to take full Soviet industrialization, collectivization, and planning (proof that the Soviets should have exerted direct control).
They threw socialism away, Poles helped to fucking kill the USSR, these incomplete human beings assisted in putting a bullet in the working class's head so they could finally have the honor of scrubbing the shit out of French and German sewers but "independently". What a fucking joke. They gave away socialism so they could remain hated and feared by Western Europeans anyway, except now their life quality is utter dogshit and they're fucking proud of their thoughtless mistake to this day.
What the fuck is wrong with these people? Why does this country seem to be uniquely shitty and stupid?
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Alunya and the Political Ideology Catgirls
Last thread ( >>71758
) hit the post limit and got bumplocked. Post your catgirls here instead.
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China vs. Vietnam
Which country's socioeconomics is more socialist?
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Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread: Part Three
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Leftist youth and collective movements
Hi! I am a relatively young German that joined the leftist movement a few years ago (I was 15 back then, now I am 18). This is my first post here. I have been lurking for a while though! Anyways... I wanted to ask the people here what youth or collective movements exist in their countries!
How are they oriented ideologically? Which would you support and which not?
Since I am from Germany I started by making this meme. I joined die Linke not so long ago but dislike how parts of the party thrive into a pro-western direction and passively support the wars Germany is involved in as long as they go against "regimes"... Though there are great people in the party still. Like Sarah Wagenknecht and Suchergebnisse
Webergebnisse Sevim Dağdelen who are two engaged women that politically represent the genuine left still. I myself see myself as a Democratic Socialist but I feel many with me have joined ranks with dubious Liberals and are playing in the hands of the global Capitalist order (by mindlessly supporting unplanned mass migration disregarding how shitty conditions already are in Germany for immigrants AND native Germans socially). And I am anti-imperialist. That's why I joined Sarah Wagenknecht's movement #aufstehen recently. It's a broad collective movement and I have met many nice people there that like discussing various topics and social problems with me. I didn't get the same positive and also dmeocratically oriented atmosphere in other groups I have had contact with (Antifa, JW) who were either rather hateful and anti-social or rather authoritarian in orientation.
But anyways. Please tell me about groups of your country's left. Collective movements like #aufstehen or youth groups like the JW or young party orgs are all fine. I just am curious about it all. ^^
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Why have Latin American militaries been so loyal to their right wing dictators?
Why is it that whenever there was a popular uprising in any neoliberal or neofeudal Latin shithole, there were no mutinies or defections to the socialist side, even when the military was massacring civilians and the majority of the population was against the government? Recently we have seen almost no defections of regular soldiers in the Bolivian and Chilean military. There were no defections as the El Salvadoran mitaty was massacring catholic priests and entire families in the Civil War.
Why is that? All the soldiers surely can't be from bourgeois families. They can't all have connections to the oligarchy. They can't all be racist criollos.
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150 members of the Saudi royal family have coronavirus: report
Prince Faisal bin Bandar bin Abdulziz al Saud, the governor of Riyadh and a nephew of King Salman, was confirmed to have tested positive by two doctors, according to the Times.
Italy's daily coronavirus death toll falls, but new cases accelerate
Deaths from the COVID-19 epidemic in Italy rose by 542 on Wednesday, a lower tally than the 604 the day before, but the number of new cases pushed higher to 3,836 compared with a previous 3,039.
Russian Investigators Probe Wartime Nazi Massacres
The investigation was opened following findings in historical archives about killings in several locations in southern Russia's Rostov region, including Zmiyovskaya Balka, a village where "no less than 27,000 people" were shot by firing squad.
Afghan government frees 100 Taliban prisoners as part of peace process
The Afghan government freed 100 Taliban prisoners on Wednesday as a first step in a peace process with the hardline Islamists, despite the group’s suspension of talks on a planned prisoner exchange crucial to moving to formal talks to end years of war.
Care worker sacked while in hospital with coronavirus symptoms
BOSSES of a healthcare contractor have been slammed as “trigger happy” for sacking an employee who missed a disciplinary hearing because she was in hospital with coronavirus symptoms.
Behind the scenes, an LDP power struggle over record-size economic package
The difference between the two sides manifested itself most significantly in the proposal’s centerpiece: the cash handout. It was initially discussed on a much larger scale, to total around ¥12 trillion — or ¥100,000 per person.
Over a third of Scots worried they can't pay for food and rent during lockdown, research finds
MORE than one in three Scots are worried about their ability to pay for food and rent during the coronavirus lockdown, according to new research published today.
Bolsonaro Is Good President Only for 33 Percent of Brazilians
Amid debates about what needs to be done to contain the COVID-19 pandemic in Brazil, Datafolha published an opinion poll according to which 80 percent of the population says they suspect President Jair Bolsonaro's statements.
New Zealand government says unemployment will hit “double digits”
New Zealand’s Treasury stated last week that the country’s unemployment rate could reach “double digits,” as the crisis triggered by the coronavirus pandemic continues to deepen.
French Aircraft Carrier Returns To Port After Suspected COVID-19 Cases Found Aboard
The French navy's flagship, the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, is returning to home port after dozens of crew members showed signs of COVID-19, the armed services ministry announced Wednesday.
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How do you read this shit?
I'm trying to read "Socialism Utopian and Scientific" and it's just so difficult.
I don't know if it's because I'm an idiot or just because I'm not used to reading and studying things, but this is quite difficult. I keep getting caught up on small statements that I'm not even sure are important.
Is there any technique you use to help you read this, usually I just read a few paragraphs and try to summaries what I've just read, but the language used is so confusing.
It's funny because I'm only on the introduction of Historical Materialism, which as far as I know, isn't the main focus of this book.
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The Middle Class
what do you think of them? do they really exist? if so, what role do they play in bourgeois society?
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Which one do you choose if you want to vote third party?
Which one do you choose if you want to vote third party?
Party for Socialism and Liberation or Green Party?
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Rafiq's Blog posts - Archived
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Post all your memes. Don't hold out.
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Ebook: World in Crisis by Michael Roberts
Does anyone have an epub / eBook version of this book?
World in Crisis: A Global Analysis of Marx's Law of Profitability
A Global Analysis of Marx's Law of Profitability
Edited by Guglielmo Carchedi and Michael Roberts
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How many of us here live in poverty? Im disabled and from America so its pretty rough trying to live on SSI.
Are there any well off financially people here?
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>America is so reactionary not even a socdem can gain power
So what's the fate of the US gonna be like? Are americans doomed to neoliberal hell forever?
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I found out how the American working class can have control of the economy again. Appeal to American Workerism. Give all the power to every working man. Promote public and local works, rebuilding towns and areas to fit the the needs of the new working class. They're less city oriented, they live in the interior of the country. In towns and streets, local occupations. They're not all in the highlands either though. Technically around 45% of these Americans live in small to medium sized cities, these cities can range in population from under 30,000 to just over 100,000.
These workers each own what they produce. In any kind of physical labor, or service jobs, they have a sizeable level of control over what they produce. Bosses lead their workers, and occasionally command them on directing their work. Bosses are authoritative, giving strict direction but giving each woeker the veto. I'll write more about this tomorrow.
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Alienation and animals
So if man is alienated from its own species-being, from his labour, and thus from nature, since he is only in contact with nature through his work, does that mean that man is automatically alienated from animals?
Is this perhaps the reason for the systemic mistreatment of animals in capitalism?
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Strategy for the post-Bernian crisis 2020:
1. Remember that liberals are your enemies, even if they are similar to your views.
2. Use the Zermelo algorithm to your advantage, cross out the liberals against the Nazis to cross out the Nazis against yourself.
3. Never be timid and cowardly. Remember, the majority opinion is taken from the ass, and when people quickly reach for a confident idiot than an uncertain genius.
4. Remember that even the most unfortunate people in the world became winners simply by beating their eggs against their goal. Sometimes these losers beat their eggs on another corner of the wall. This will sound like a child’s teaching, but as practice has shown, we socialists, communists and anarchists need not be as cowardly as the Social Democrats, not as uneducable from their own mistakes as representatives of extreme orthodoxy, and so on.
5. We must gradually move from the Leninist principle of "the worse, the better," to the principle of "the better, the better," this will allow us to be more flexible in resolving most issues.
6. “It is better to be subjective in truth than objective in pussy”, remember, it makes no sense to bicker in the labor theory of value or in the law of relative and absolute impoverishment, while workers do not have enough money to live in these difficult times. It is much easier to be ideologically tacky enough inside to be theoretically solid than to be ideologically tough, but theoretically and practically tacky, to the point described by Boris Kagarlitsky in "Between Class and Discourse"
7. Focus on the countries of the Central world-system, not the peripheral world of the system.
Even if your attempts at Third Worldism work, the USA will simply crush you both economically and militarily. So don’t be silly.
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Thoughts on AMLO
Thoughts on the slow-speaking, morning-joke cracking and humanist president of México? medical shortages? lack of action against corruption and crime?
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Direct Democracy: First edition
This thread is about how we can make our societies more democratic, with direct or semi-direct approaches to democracy.
I think since we got a lot of Cockshott bros in here and also some anarchists maybe most of us are already receptive to the idea of direct democracy.
In this thread we shall discuss what influences the democratic process, how to organize society in the most democratic pragmatically possible way, concrete legislation, and even hypothetical strategies for parties or other types of organizations on how to try to promote worker's democracy, sortition, etc.
I think i should start by pointing out how our bourgeois democracies suffer from a massive lack of actual democracy, to the point that we might not even want to consider them as "democracies".
I will link a few videos that i consider might help get started on the topic a bit.
(this video is great although a bit not rigorous since it forgets the fact Athens democracy was not transversal, which is something we do have nowadays.)
I will also start talking about concrete legislation. First of all, i think direct democracy literally makes no sense at all if the media is not democratized.
The electoral process is extremely affected by how media portrays the world, we already know that. But ultimately the media is controlled by either the state or private business interests.
Thus, the media acts as the mass speaker of either the business interests, or the current government or party in power. This greatly distorts the democratic process. This is why i think before any kind of direct democracy reform, a government should first focus in a reform to democratize media. There are many ways of doing this; i'd argue one would be cutting by law all public or private financial support of media corporations, so that they are not under the influence of business or state interests, and therefore are not forced to do dishonest, biased journalism. Maybe organizing all media corporations as cooperatives, or non-profit organizations.
Then after the media has been democratized, i think we should start talking about bringing full democracy. Personally i'd like, at the very least, sortition and a right to recall (https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Recall_Laws_in_India)
so that no corrupt bureaucracy can become entrenched, but also a popular veto right to for example proposed laws, so that no unpopular legislation can be passed.
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>all that anti revisionism, and it still went wrong
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Is global poverty rate decreasing?
Pro capitalist fucks always claim that capitalism has massively reduced poverty, child mortality, illiteracy etc. in the world
>Maybe it's not the ideal system but it's the best we can have™
Is this true? Or are they manipulating with facts? Was the poverty really reduced thanks to globalization and other neoliberal policies as they claim?
pls answer with proofs
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British unionism and its decline
I would post this in /leftybritpol/ but it would be wrong to clog the shitposting with this earnest request.
What I would like to ask of you is any books and resources on how British trade unions became so weak. I understand that In Place of Strife is important but would love further info on the matter as a whole.
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/dead/ - Post-Leftism General
Welcome to /dead/, the endless magical nihilist gulag. This is not 8/grim/, but it is the continuation 8/grim/. Think of it as partly an /r9k/ for anti-capitalists, partly /GET/ with skeltals, and otherwise whatever you make of it.
Now in thread form!
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Right now, I will describe how you can overthrow all right-wing populists and establish proletarian democracy throughout the globe:
1. Remember that any power is based on something. In this case, it is based on three components known since Gramsci, in this case it is the Weberian three components of power, each of which can be overthrown.
2. You need to start with politics, not culture, because political power from the status quo can always simply remove you from life
3. These three components: charisma, tradition, and bureaucracy
4. It is better to start with charisma, as this is the most unstable system that is easiest to destroy
5. There is a limited amount of charisma. The vast majority of the right-wing conservative authorities are the “strongest” and “real destroyers of the status quo”, but in completely different proportions.
Putin came to power thanks to “Salvation”, and Trump thanks to “Tricksterism”
each of the above items as a whole can be destroyed. However, with the "Savior" will have to very tough tinker.
6. To change traditions, you need to rewrite history.
7. To rewrite the bureaucracy, you must rewrite the language.
8. Just as a bad strategy is better than no strategy, bad socialist power is worse than no socialist power. Fascist and right-wing regimes are the result of an extremely unsuccessful socialist strategy. From 20th century Italy to 21st century Hungary.
9. Since we are all left-handed people here, and we can’t stop talking in a confused philosophical language, even at the edge of death (hi Gramsci), we can introspectively look into the past and easily identify the most unsuccessful strategies that under no circumstances can be followed, if you don’t want to lower the entire social movement into the toilet.
The most common horror, and leading to a social catastrophe include:
a. Capture of factories from the bottom, without state support (in 100% of cases, the bourgeoisie will get tired of you and simply establish the fascist regime)
b. Any attempts to democratically get elected to parliament as a socialist will lead either to a fierce Pinochet region, if you are pure in soul, or to the vulgar rule of Orban if you are an asshole.
Class Accelerate capitalism without reforming it.
c. Do not commit terrorist acts under any circumstances. Even if it may seem like a good idea to you, it can only push away any support from ordinary people.
Although, of course, I described this as something that does not win, and not as something that is emotionally bad.
10. What I described may seem idealistic, and even sentimental, however, I am sincerely devoted to the ideals of the left ideology. What I have described is not the end, obviously, there are some historical equilibria, that is, such forms of equilibrium that guarantee class ownership of the basic means of production.
I do not refuse and I will not refuse that these states can be changed. Actually, if we qualitatively change through the number of elements on which the class society is based, we will accelerate the classes!
And this is our secret hero!
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/brg/ - Brazil General
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How did they do it
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Getting out of the reactionary swamp.
I noticed that there are quite a few people who are former reactionaries on this board. Not that I have anything against them, quite the opposite. I'm just curious how you got into reactionary ideology and then got out. I only dabbled with Sargon of Akkad and Milo when I was in high school and early in uni. I got out after they went harder into capitalism and nationalism (I was always somewhat socialist-leaning but had read no theory). I'm asking because I want to know how to do propaganda for reactionaries or those adjacent to them, and prevent them from going deeper into the "rabbit hole". I have trouble understanding how people get into it because on the outside their ideas are so disgusting and violates the empathy humans have for each other, but it seems that people still fall for it.
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/leftydeutschpol/ - Germany General
Da unser letzter Pfaden verloren gegangen ist, mach ich hier einen neuen.
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Floridian doomer thread
This god forsaken swamp should have never been colonized by humans
Last year I had to put on a suit of armor and vacuum literally dozens of mosquitos out of my house
The shitty, dead sand is about a foot or two deep before you hit a solid floor of limestone
Our first action as communists should be to abandon this place and just leave it as a wildlife preserve, nobody who is here wants to be here anyways unless they're a rich fuck living in a gated community where they spray pesticides 24/7 to keep the mosquitos out.
god have mercy on any other leftists who live here, you have my pity, you don't deserve this
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Shittiest Leftist Organised Groups?
Hard mode: No American ones.
My nomination is the Japanese Communist Party.
>barely doing anything
>only time they get a mention is when they're complaining about the Chinese
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Haven't played animal crossing yet but I have a question. Does tom nook's price at the beginning of the game for your house factor in the land? Did tom nook sell you a house under a community land trust? very pressing matter pls help
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Book scanning thread
Last thread died so here's another.
Myself and others scan English-language books and pamphlets, mostly from the USSR. Most recently I scanned a Soviet edition of "Ten Days that Shook the World" as well as numerous "What Is..." books the Soviets published in the 80s to introduce people to subjects like philosophy, capitalism, communism, surplus-value, revolution, etc.
You can find the stuff scanned so far here: https://archive.org/details/@ismail_badiou
I also have a forum area where I answer questions relating to socialist history and the like: http://eregime.org/index.php?showforum=719
(it also contains threads of PDFs on specific subjects, e.g. Marxist works on US history)
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Marx shitting on Stirner
From Saint Max:
>He wants, however, to make us believe that he has destroyed the category itself because he has destroyed his emotional personal relation to it — exactly as he has wanted to make us believe that he has destroyed the power of the Emperor by giving up his fantastic conception of the Emperor.
<“I take the world as it is for me, as my world, as my property.”
>a mode of acquisition which, indeed, is not mentioned by any of the economists, but the method and success of which will be the more brilliantly disclosed in “the book”. Basically, however, he takes” not the “world”, but only his “delirious fantasy” about the world as his own, and makes it his property. He takes the world as his conception of the world, and the world as his conception is his imagined property, the property of his conception, his conception as property, his property as conception, his own peculiar conception, or his conception of property; and all this he expresses in the incomparable phrase: “I relate everything to myself.”
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/SEA/ - Southeast Asia General
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/ita/ - Spaghetti Communism
Forse 8chan è definitivamente morto. Proprio pochi giorni dopo che stavo cominciando a pensare di ritornare a effortpostare, ecco che un paio di /pol/tardati ammeregani si danno allo sport preferito da quelle parti e ora quel sito sembra diventato la fonte di tutti i mali del mondo. Col risultato che hanno purgato anche il nostro bel filo. E vabè. Si chiude una porta, si apre un portone. Raccogliamoci qui e ricominciamo.
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What is /leftypol/'s class background?
Is the board entirely working class?
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The practice and principles of Permaculture are one of the most important tools for not only creating a sustainable socialism, but also for repairing the damage done to the global ecosystem by capitalism, and lessening your individual reliance on the current capitalist system.
Permacultural practice and socialism are two very powerful allies, and learning about permaculture should be necessity for modern socialists and communists.
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Tell me about the Barbara Pit Massacre
I want to have a good laugh at fashoids getting BTFO
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Post audio sources
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SO I WAS LOOKIN' INTO SOVIET HISTORY THE OTHER DAY AFTER A COUPLE STEVEWEISERS
SO I WAS LOOKIN' INTO SOVIET HISTORY THE OTHER DAY AFTER A COUPLE STEVEWEISERS
A SHOT OF WHISKEY
AND A BLOODY MARY
I SAW THIS THING CALLED THE HOLODOMOR
NOW SOMETHIN' ABOUT THIS DON'T MAKE SENSE
SO I SAY TO MYSELF
12 MILLION UKRAINIANS STARVED TO DEATH?
IN A MAN-MADE FAMINE?
HOW ABOUT THE NATURAL DROUGHT THAT WIPED OUT TWENTY PERCENT OF THE HARVEST?
RUDIMENTARY AGRICULTURAL TECHNIQUES THAT RUINED THE SOIL
NATURAL DISASTERS THAT DISRUPTED CROP GROWTH
AND THEM RED SONS OF BITCHES STARTED RELIEF AND RATIONING EFFORTS RIGHT AWAY BUT THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH GRUB FOR EVERYONE
NOW WHY WOULD STALIN - HELL OF A WORKER, GOOD LOOKIN KID
PURPOSEFULLY MURDER MILLIONS OF HIS OWN WORK FORCE, INCLUDIN' MILLIONS OF NON-UKRANIAN CITIZENS?
USE YOUR NOGGIN
ISN'T IT MORE LIKELY
THAT AFTERSHOCK FROM LENINIST AGRICULTURE OF THE NEW ECONOMIC POLICY
AND NATURAL FAMINE
KILLED THEM UKRAINIANS
INSTEAD OF A PURPOSEFUL GENOCIDE THAT WOULD WIPE OUT NEEDED LABOR IN A DEVELOPING STATE
REMEMBER TO ALWAYS SIDE WITH LABOR
AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LIIIIIINE
CAUSE STONE COLD SAID SO
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Anti-Fascist, Anti-Nazi memes
Post memes making fun of Nazis countering chan memes
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>Materialist international cult that creates self-sustaining communes across the world. Creates a headquarters in Oregon by buying up cheap land at a place called the muddy ranch. Restores the land and builds a thriving agriculture community, expands from that into a small city with manufacturing.
>Takes over local politics, the police force, local school and builds a well armed militia force after one of their properties is bombed. Almost takes over the county they are in by busing in thousands of homeless people across the country and housing them. Then registering them to vote.
>ultimately gets cucked by immigration laws, and "voter fraud" by registering homeless people.
So what went wrong leftypol? Theres a doc about this on Netflix called Wild Wild country I've been watching that spurred this. I haven't finished it just yet but it seemed the Rajneeshpuram had such great potential. Despite being sexual weirdos that do yoga. Wanted leftypols take on this
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This is effort posting general,
or /effort/ for short. The fact is that the vast majority of posters and lurkers do not visit most threads. Their eyes are caught merely by some catchy topics, worse, ambiguous or contrarian shit, and they are drawn towards shitposting -- some term it "funposting", while objectively ruining the overall quality of the board.
To counter this trend inherent to the format of imageboards as such (and the current state of this site/board, exponentially growing in a newfag userbase) this thread has the following functions:
1. Linking (aka. memearrowing) to effort posts, no matter the topic, in a readable format;
2. encouraging the userbase to read and engage with said effort posts.
3. raising the overall quality of the board.
Participants in this thread are encouraged to follow this format:
- using 3 's or ' ' ' [without spaces, before and after title/summary]
If you fuck up the format, delete your post, and correct it!
Value theory and its blind spots
You are encouraged to plug effort posts whether yours or others. Please do it anonymously and preferably without flags. (An effort speaks for itself without your particular identity or orientation -- if not better.) I recommend participants to NOT
reply, debate, etc. with linked effort posts HERE, but in their RESPECTIVE THREADS.
(A reasonable degree of meta-commentary is understandable, e.g. "wow, that [x]-flag poster has good content", etc.)
This thread is also for creating screencaps. It is encouraged to post in reply a screencap to the linked effort posts here.
I'd also like to ask the mods to uphold the highest standards: delete derailing, /pol/, chat-sessions, namefagging, etc. to ensure that we have at least one (1) sanctuary. Thank you.
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Good morning /leftypol/,
I am a libertarian who has a massive amount of respect for the more radical elements of the left-wing movement in America and across the globe. Do you guys/gals support an alliance between the anti-authoritarian/anti-fascist right and the actual left-wing? I know that our differences will probably cause tension down the road but opposing empire seems to be the most important issue at the moment. By the way, I don’t support Murray “Unleash the Police” Rothbard’s late turn towards the Paleo-Conservatives and Populists, although he did collaborate with anti-authoritarian leftists during the 1960s.
Pictured is Karl Hess, a former speech writer for Goldwater who later embraced Free-Market Anarchism, supported SDS and the Black Panthers.
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Bernie Sanders suspends 2020 Democratic presidential campaign
Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has suspended his 2020 presidential campaign, the Democratic candidate announced on Wednesday, after a lackluster primary showing and the Covid-19 pandemic ruled out any hope of victory.
Concerns for Assange's health following Covid-19 death in Belmarsh
CAMPAIGNERS raised concerns for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s safety today, after a coronavirus death was reported in Belmarsh prison just days after a court ruled he was safe.
Spain's number of coronavirus deaths rises by 757 to over 14,500
The number of total fatalities caused by the new coronavirus in Spain rose to 14,555 on Wednesday, the ministry said. The daily increase as a percentage of the total death toll was 5.5%, down from 5.7% the day before, when 743 people died.
Saudi officials announce Yemen cease-fire amid pandemic
Saudi officials said the coalition fighting Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen will begin a cease-fire starting Thursday.
Coronavirus spread in UK is a ‘crime’ as NHS had 4 years to prepare for pandemic – John Pilger
Award-winning journalist John Pilger has revealed that the NHS staged an exercise in London in 2016 which proved it was unable to cope with a pandemic like Covid-19, but its findings were suppressed.
Spain Hires Migrants in Agriculture To Maintain Supply Chain
The agriculture minister told the press conference the population had boosted its consumption of food by 17.6 percent under lockdown compared to the same week last year, especially in meat and fresh vegetables.
Africa’s elite build VIP hospitals for themselves, leaving workers to die
The response of the African ruling elite has been to cocoon itself in luxury, distancing even more surely from the impoverished masses it views with hostility and fear, entrenching the ever-deepening class divide.
UN Chief Warns Coronavirus Lockdowns Bringing About 'Horrifying Global Surge in Domestic Violence'
"Together, we can and must prevent violence everywhere, from war zones to people's homes, as we work to beat COVID-19."
Top EU scientist quits over inadequate response to the coronavirus
The Italian-American scientist said that disagreements with the economic bloc had been growing since mid-March, “as it became evident that the pandemic would be a tragedy of possibly unprecedented proportions.”
Eurozone fails to agree deal on €540bn coronavirus rescue plan
Talks on a coronavirus economic rescue plan for the eurozone worth up to €540bn (£476bn) have broken up without a deal amid north-south divisions over the strings to attach to financial aid for the most-stricken countries.
New Outbreak Might Happen in the Fall, Chinese Expert Says
"Europe and the U.S. have not been effectively controlled for the time being. In Africa, South America and India, where the economy is less developed and medical resources are insufficient, new cases have increased exponentially, which brings great uncertainty to the global fight against the epidemic" he said as reported by local outlet Caixin.
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>this is the Marxists' final word, as it is of the democratic school, a lie which covers up a despotism of a governing minority, all the more dangerous in that it is an expression of a supposed people's will.
<Under collective ownership the so-called people's will disappears to make way for the real will of the cooperative.
>So, in sum: government of the great majority of popular masses by a privileged minority. But this minority will be composed of workers, say the Marxists.
<Where do they say that?
>Of former workers, perhaps, but just as soon as they become representatives or rulers of the people they will cease to be workers.
<No more than a factory-owner ceases to be a capitalist nowadays because he has become a member of the town council.
>And they'll start looking down on all ordinary workers from the heights of the state: they will now represent not the people but themselves and their claims to govern the people. He who doubts this simply doesn't know human nature.
<If Herr Bakunin knew even one thing about the situation of the manager of a workers' cooperative factory, all his hallucinations about the domination would go to the devil. He would have to ask himself what form the functions of administration can assume on the basis of such a worker state, if it pleases him to call it that.
What is Marx even saying here? Bakunin has a strong point that has been vindicated by history and it seems like Marx's only response is "yeah but co-ops suck too!" (even tho he's right).
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OC Thread 5.0
New thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content
Post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you want to share.
Or ITT collaborate on improving content already made.
Archived Thread : >>8622
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/leftyscot/ - Scotland thread
We have a Brit thread, but many Scots do not want to be British.
We must dismantle the last vestiges of the British Empire, cast off the dead husk and be reborn anew.
I think it will be easier to achieve socialism if we leave the parliamentary system backed by the house of lords Literal Lords
I want to balkanise western hegemony and shoot holes in it with Socialist enclaves.
I want to embarrass and shame the British ruling class, I want to loosen their hold on the world in any way I can.
Also Labour are finished and Keir Starmer is a cuck. The Tories are only going to tighten their grip on power.
Socialism in one country!
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Guns are good.
Honestly we could make alot more tactical alliances with people on the right if we pushed harder on this pro gun stance. we as leftist need to challenge the retarded david hog narratives about guns and start agreeing with guns rights activists.
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>What is New Multitude?
New Multitude is an online magazine collaboration between leftypol members. The magazine features a wide variety of leftist thought both from individual writers and curated summaries of leftypol threads.
please follow: twitter.com/newmultitude
Contact: either drop a message here, or [email protected]
>Can I help?
Sure we need:
Editors: People who can proofread and/or curate articles as well as helping guide the direction of the site.
Writers: anyone who has something to say. Don't worry if you have no experience. your thoughts are the most important thing, The editors will ensure it is readable. Another avenue is reaching out to people outside leftypol for articles. That meme academic you spam everywhere? Why not email them and ask for a short interview we could publish?
Artists: Many of the images at NM are pinched from this site, it would be nice to have some aesthetically minded anons who would like to contribute original work or simply curate the site's aesthetic direction and consult on suitable images for articles.
>I don't want to write or edit, is there anything else I can do?
There are many things we can do as a collective:
Alert editors in this thread to leftypol posts that might be good for publishing.
Leftypol is a small community, if we want to reach out then social media engagement is a must. Follow and share us on Twitter. If you have a reddit account, please share our articles to relevant subreddits. Give us claps and comments on the medium pieces. Would anyone would like to make an instagram/tiktok account? You can also leave feedback in this thread.
Medium.com operate a pay-model in which you submit your articles to be part of their scheme. This puts a limit on who can read the article (non members get something like 5 free reads a month), but enables writers to get paid if people read and clap the article. New Multitude is not part of this scheme and all articles are free to read.
However, if it does become popular, it would be nice if we could reimburse leftypol writers, so any suggestions on that front would be welcome.
(board vols, I hope this is ok, I wanted to make a clearer introduction now that the site is up and running. could you lock the other thread)
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Is communism inevitable?
Is communism inevitable? Or is it just pseudo marxist cliché?
Did Marx,Engels or any other marxist really said that communist society is inevitable?
This phrase is often used as argument against us - "look communism is authoritarian, collectivist, historicist, pseudo scientific theory"
they claim, that the fact that capitalism didn't collapse and the world revolution didn't happen makes the marxist historical method unscientific.
>The Marxist theory of history, in spite of the serious efforts of some of its founders and followers, ultimately adopted this soothsaying practice. In some of its earlier formulations (for example in Marx's analysis of the character of the 'coming social revolution') their predictions were testable, and in fact falsified. Yet instead of accepting the refutations the followers of Marx re-interpreted both the theory and the evidence in order to make them agree. In this way they rescued the theory from refutation; but they did so at the price of adopting a device which made it irrefutable. They thus gave a 'conventionalist twist' to the theory; and by this stratagem they destroyed its much advertised claim to scientific status.
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is the 8chan leftypol gonna come back? like ever?
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What the fuck happened to the idpol threads? They were the best threads on leftypol
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Hydrogen Bomb take: Stop using the word "Tankie." Most of you do not even know what the word means. It does not mean "just ML." It is specifically a word used to describe someone who supports the Soviet intervention of Hungary. Apparently the word has mutated over the years to mean anybody who supports Marxism-Leninism, even if they are against . This is especially prevalent today in leftist circles all across the internet including here. I think the main reason why I was an ML for a time was because of the misuse of the word. Since then I have distanced myself from ML orthodoxy yet I still hear that word being misused. It's gotten to the point where I realized the problem, which the reason I am making this thread. I am not telling you to agree with Marxist-Leninist doctrine. Be as critical as you want. Call it state capitalist, revisionist, red fascist; anything. Just stop calling anybody who abides by Marxism-Leninism "Tankie." It's autistic.
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With all the talk of ACAB I'd like to know - what are the alternatives to a police force that you would seek?
Points I'd appreciate you to avoid bringing up unless you can actually convincingly address them:
1. 'Community justice' (or whatever the term) - just look at how well the paedo hunters got on in the UK, and the idiots that were attracted to it.
2. Having absolutely NO crime because of everyone's needs being met is just pure wishful thinking. And even if I were to humour you that it's true, bringing about the conditions necessary to make it so will take a long time. When we are in that transition period, what are the alternatives to police?
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It's happening again.
Because of all the attached deaths in this coming crisis do you think that we will see a resurgence of leftism in western nations or is the grip of reactionary nationalism and neolibralism much to powerful?
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What makes him so popular with hungarians? Should we face the fact that populism will allways win over "good reason".
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Objectively a dumb cunt
How anybody can take this retarded bitches ideas seriously boggles my fucking mind. not only that but the novels she rights are just such utter dogshit and tis astounding that a soup brain like her hasn't been relegated to the dust bin of history yet.
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Why can't I upload to leftybooru? It says I have to be logged in or have permission to upload, but I can't log in because I am not registered there and registrations are closed.
What's happening? Who is admin of leftybooru?
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It would be nice if we could properly debunk some /pol/ memes/other untruths, especially the more common ones. Starting off with this old screenshot:
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Anons who defend the Khmer Rouge...
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On The Jewish Question
Thoughts? This is an ongoing thread on /edu/
<not sure if this belongs here or in /edu but i just wanted to get people's takes on this work by marx as i have found the arguments that marx was anti semitic to some degree hard to argue against. what would be your take away from this work and what would be your response to chuds who like to say that this proves that marxists are anti semitic also?
<Yes Marx was antisemitic and you should be too. This sounds spooky but hear me out.
<There are different kinds of antisemitism. There is racial antisemitism, which is the belief that the jews are a race and that they are particularly pernicious for biological reasons. This type of antisemitism ought to be unequivocally opposed by communists, and Marx was not antisemitic in this way. His family was Jewish so to be racially antisemitic he would have to hate himself.
<Then there is religious antisemitism. This is an opposition to the Jewish religion. There are different types of religious antisemitism. There is Christian religious antisemitism which blames the Jews for killing Jesus. Mel Gibson caught a lot of flack for this type of antisemitism when he made Passion of the Christ. There is Muslim antisemitism like that of the Houthis. There is Pagan religious antisemitism which sees all Abrahamic religions as a threat to folk religions. Varg Vikernes is a good example of someone who adheres to this kind of antisemitism (as well as to racial antisemitism). We ought to oppose these types of antisemitism as well.
<Then there is atheistic religious antisemitism which is for the abolition of Judaism because it is a religion. Marx is certainly antisemitic in this way, as am I, but there was more to Marx's antisemitism which we ought to consider.
<The third kind of antisemitism is what I am going to call cultural or philisophical antisemitism. This is the belief that Jews have played a unique role in the development of culture and philosophy. I think this is true, and it is a consequence of two things:
<1. The material conditions of the Jews (as well as Romanis and some other groups) throughout history has been unique. They have been persecuted and excluded from doing most kinds of business in almost every civilization they have made contact with. Because of this, they took on roles as money lenders and merchants which other groups had cultural hangups about. This is why the Jews are in part responsible for the development of capitalism. The reactionary position is to see these roles of money lender and merchant as bad and usurious. This is incorrect. The Jews have played a progressive role in human history. The development of capitalism is good and it is necessary if communism is to develop.
<Right wingers also observe the exclusion of the Jews and they say "aha, why where they excluded? They must be uniquely evil." This is the incorrect position. They where not excluded because they are evil or "uniquely insular" or any other bullshit like that. They where excluded because of the other kinds of antisemitism I listed above, and because of jealousy of their cultural superiority. This brings us to the essence of cultural antisemitism.
<The flipside of this kind of antisemitism is an acknowledgement of Jewish cultural supremacy and the desire to end it. This supremacy is simply a fact of life, and it arose out of the uniquely harsh conditions that Jewish culture developed in. The factors of Jewish culture that make it superior are apparent in the writings of Jews (including Marx) and include but are not limited to: pedantry, logical rigor, critique, unapologetic intellectualism, and ruthless pragmatism.
<There is another element to Jewish cultural supremacy which is the next point.
<2. The Jews where the first people to discover dialectics in it's complete form. You can find a version of dialectics in some eastern philosophy, but it lacks the rigor that is found in Jewish dialectics. Why do I say dialectics is Jewish? After all, Hegel was not Jewish. Well, if you look to where Hegel got dialectics from, you will find that it has existed since ancient times under a different name: Kaballah which is a form of Jewish mysticism.
<The Jews knew that this philosophical discovery had immense power, so they guarded it very closely. There are all sorts of rules in the Torah and Talmud about who is allowed to study Kaballah. There are also very strict rules about who Torah scholars are and are not allowed to interact with, and the reason these exist to ensure that dialectics does not get out. Jewish esoteric ism is essentially a system of codes meant to make dialectics inaccessible.to those who are not Torah scholars.
<Hegel essentially cracked this code and wrote the system of dialectics down in plain German so that anyone can access it. This was the beginning of the end for Jewish cultural supremacy. Marx used dialectics to discover the laws of motion of the capitalist economic system, and many other communists after him have used it to make profound discovers and formulate tactics which have proven immensely powerful in the revolutionary struggle. This is why Nazis are not wrong when they call capitalism and communism extensions of Judaism, but neither are Judaism "for the Jews" in the way that the religion of Judaism is.
<Capitalism makes everyone Jewish, in the sense that it persecutes and alienates all of us from the means of production. It forces us to adopt the same economic roles that Jews where forced to adopt in feudal and ancient Surope: slaves, money lenders, merchants etc.
<Communism is Judaism for everyone in that it liberates the philosophical secret of Jewish supremacy from the confines of Jewish esotericism and brings it to the masses. Now that we are all Jews under capitalism, we must all learn the secrets which allowed the Jews to survive under persecution, and use it to liberate the whole of human society.
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Do you guys have any documents on fleeing governments/bugging out? I'm kind of fed up defending a paranoid capitalist meme-city state at gunpoint and I need a plan to bug out if things go south for me (since i was never given any form of consent about this anyway)
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post artwork for a nice socialist future
avoid, dread-mongering, collapse-porn and techno-phobia.
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/crisis/ the video
So I gathered screencaps from the opening bell to the closing bell, I heard your electoralist voices and I'm really hesitating between the two musics (even if Cirno technically won but come on). I made this shitpost while the Lil Jon/Cirno struggle was going on : https://voca.ro/fWFGea6pFw5
(version with a long intro https://voca.ro/7d5ZhENSjSb)
Looking out for AEnon, I use Resolve for editing but if we can have some compositing on top of it that would be great.
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USSR and Culture
Why was the USSR afraid of Rock 'n Roll? Why did the US associate Rock music with Communism?
This is not (only) a troll thread, I want to discuss the legacy of culture and counter-culture in the western/eastern block.
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lost my job
I was about to get hired by a company before COVID hit and now they emailed me saying that due to negative business impacts they are cutting the whole division i was supposed to join! WTF now how will i get money! I'm sure im not the only anon in the same boat!
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Spain overtakes Italy in coronavirus cases, death rate slows
Spain overtook Italy for the first time on Friday for the number of confirmed coronavirus cases, but the overnight death toll fell from the previous day, providing a small glimmer of hope.
Corbyn warns next Labour leader against undemocratic national government with Tories
He said: “It’s the duty of opposition parties to hold it [the government] to account, and that is exactly what we’re doing.“I think we should be challenging the government and challenging them on the economic response, challenging them on job security, and that is the way to get better government and better decisions.“If everybody got together and said: ‘We’re all absolutely in this together, we won’t criticise each other,’ that is a negation of what our democratic society is about.”
Poland’s deputy PM wants to extend Duda’s term by TWO YEARS amid Covid-19 crisis, but would the president be happy?
Duda has dismissed health and safety concerns over holding the election, saying that “if there are conditions to go to a shop, then there are also conditions to go to a polling station.”
Bolsonaro to Heal Brazil From COVID-19 With Religious Rituals
After lashing out at his health minister because he does not have a "humble attitude," Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro Thursday announced that he and other religious leaders will perform a fast as a form of sacrifice to rid Brazil of the COVID-19 pandemic.
El-Sisi uses coronavirus pandemic to tighten grip on Egypt
Egypt did nothing to prepare for the onset of the virus, despite being identified in early February, along with Algeria and South Africa, as one of the African countries most at risk.
Greece Records First Coronavirus Cases Among Refugees, Imposes Quarantine On Camp
Since the outbreak of the coronavirus pandemic, medical personnel, human rights groups and others have warned of catastrophe if COVID-19 spreads to the roughly 60,000 refugees living in often-squalid camps in Greece.
Trudeau threatens retaliation after Trump keeps shipment of masks intended for Canadian doctors
The Trump administration ordered 3M, a Minnesota-based manufacturer of protective healthcare equipment, to stop exporting protective masks to Canada and Latin America on Thursday.
US military veterans who fought as mercenaries for Ukrainian fascists indicted on double murder charges
Testimony obtained from Zwiefelhofer during an FBI investigation into the murders reveals that Zwiefelhofer and Lang orchestrated the robbery in order to fund a trip to Venezuela. Upon entering the country, the pair planned to join a right-wing anticommunist death squad with the explicit aim of overthrowing the bourgeois nationalist government of Nicolás Maduro and to kill “communists.”
United Nations Warns of COVID-19 Effects on the EU Food Chain
The United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) Friday warned that increased border controls and the stoppage of daily activities are affecting the supply and prices of fruits and vegetables in Europe.
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how exactly is everyone a member of the government? I've heard this is how a socialist country works but how exactly would that play out? Is there any historical examples, or reading i can turn to? I'm really interested in how a communist country runs.
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Late Capitalism Thread 2.0
Last thread hit bump limit
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/ruspol/ - Russian Politics
Hello from Russia, ask your questions
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I've read somewhere recently that a communist countries geopolitical interests and foreign policy always mirror the ones of their predecessor.
>both the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union looked to aquire warm water ports and expand their influence over Eastern Europe.
>All three Reichs, the GDR and the FRG all wanted to unite the German peoples and secure central Europe.
>Both the PRC and the Chinese Empire with more passive, "soft power" approaches in comparison with other historical entities
Is this observation just superficial drivel or does it actually hold merit?
If true, is this good or bad? If good, can a left movement take advantage of it? if bad, how can one suppress this?
Also as a fun thought experiment: How would this materialize in other countries?
like: would a socialist america go ham on capitalist latin america in some sort of red monroe doctrine? or would it go full isolationism?
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>Deng Xiaoping Theory is the series of political and economic ideologies first developed by Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping. The theory does not claim to reject Marxism–Leninism or Mao Zedong Thought but instead seeks to adapt them to the existing socio-economic conditions of China
>China largely owes its economic growth to Deng Xiaoping's emphasis on economic production, under the theory of the productive forces – a subset of 20th century Marxist theory. In the view of Deng, the task faced by the leadership of China was twofold: (i) promoting modernization of the Chinese economy, and (ii) preserving the ideological unity of the Communist Party of China (CPC) and its control of the difficult reforms required by modernization.
>To preserve ideological unity, Deng Xiaoping Theory formulated "Four Cardinal Principles" which the Communist Party must uphold:
>the "basic spirit of communism";
>the political system of the PRC, known as the people's democratic dictatorship;
>the leadership of the Communist Party, and;
>Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought.
>Little evidence of Mao's approach survived in Deng. Deng Xiaoping Theory argues that upholding Mao Zedong Thought does not mean blindly imitating Mao's actions without deviation as seen in the government of Hua Guofeng, and doing so would actually "contradict Mao Zedong Thought"
>Modernization efforts were generalized by the concept of the Four Modernizations. The Four Modernizations were goals, set forth by Zhou Enlai in 1963, to improve agriculture, industry, national defense, and science and technology in China.
What went wrong?
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Electoralism is pointless
when AOC will try run for 2024, some of you fags will be slobbering at her feet harder than Ben Shapiro because you're too scared to bother doing any actual organizing and you still believe in idealist liberal lies like "harm reduction" and "Overblown window" or whatever the fuck. it disappoints me to know it. yeah sure, there are lots of people here claiming they hate Bernie for dropping out,
>sob sob cry, I will never voot again, I promise,
but yes you fucking will, you utter cucks, unless you get this through your head: BOURGEOIS DEMOCRACY IS DEAD IN THE WATER. your ONLY remaining option, dipshits, is to either join a communist party or found a communist party, and then organize dual power among the working class towards the fulfillment of an INTERNATIONAL SOCIALIST REVOLUTION. any objections?
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WAR WITH CHINA WEEE WOOO WEEE WOOO WEEE WOOO WEEE WOOO
If war ever breaks out between China and the USA, who will win?
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New board software development
Good day comrades,
We at the dev team are hard at work developing a new board software. Others from the moderation team have asked me to fill you in to the extend that this is possible.
This board software is written in the go language, which is a statically typed, compiled language, with good multithreading, templating and webdev support. It has been off/on developed by one of the /GET/ admins, zeke, for 3 years.
The advantage that this will bring over other board softwares are the following:
>No hell tier languages like php
>Statically typed makes it much easier to understand what is going on, makes refactors much easier
>SQL instead of mongodb
And, especially in the case of us
>The project is actually a community project, which will accept pull requests, unlike lynxchan, where the writer Stephenlynx wont accept any help/pull requests/feature requests and refuses to add basic features like anchoring threads.
You might have noticed a thread like this:
With these threads we were looking for some kind of measure of statistics about how many people actually use some of the unorthodox features of lynxchan. We thank all of you for responding. However, the development of gochan is the reason your suggestions in these threads have no been implemented yet. We at the dev team feel like the time invested in trying to implement them in lynxchan would be wasted, as they are much easier to implement in gochan, where we have documentation, tooling to help development and two developers who are familiar with the codebase and actively develop/answer questions unlike stephenlynx
We are currently working on in the design phase of
a massive database overhaul + all the sql and code changes that go with it + a new database versioning upgrade system. Once we have finished that, we will establish a roadmap to get the software on feature-par with lynxchan, after which we will communicate with you how and where you can help out if you can/want to.
Once gochan has achieved feature parity with lynxchan, or does within the scope that we have set, we will hopefully be switching over to it.
As usual, features you would like to have can be posted here >>>/gulag/3941
. If you post them there, we will have it on record, though its not guarantee it will be implemented, of course.
Thank you for your understanding.
To: relational database designers
You can help right now
Please take a look at the ERD provided. Note that some features will be added on later in development, like:
>per board roles
>making roles and some other fields FK to a table instead of being an enum
>Auditing actions like deleting posts
>The text of all posts is saved until manually removed by an admin, this allows for restoring threads from the dead in the case of raids and also assists moderation by keeping the history
The only issue we are not completely happy with:
>We would like all posts in a single table, not a table per board, this makes moderation logic and renaming boards much easier
>All posts belong to a thread, and a thread belongs to a board. Posts thus inherit the board from their thread via a join.
>But all posts need to have a unique id in the board itself. We want to be able to move threads and posts to new boards/threads. This is impossible to properly model since we have a conflict between the fact that posts should always inherit the board from their parent thread but also have a unique id. We cannot put a unique constraint on post_number (note, different from "id", which is purely for internal use) that only applies to posts within the same board.
>The current plan is to just make sure the ids are unique manually by writing carefull sql transactions for mutations.
Databases supported by software: postgres, maria, sqlite.
Maybe some big brained anon can do a suggestion.
Also any mistakes spotted are welcome as well.
END DATABASE HELP
<Its compiled so its faster, its statically typed which helps a lot with safety, it deliberately simplistic, which unfortunately means it misses things like generics, but prevents galaxy brain code wizardry that other people might not comprehend, and in the case of a website backend this is not a major problem. Also the base has already been laid with it.
>Go is a meme
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any fellow autistic people here? how will a communist society account for autism and how would communism hinder/help them? how did you autism relate to your communists believes?
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beginners advice for party members
i just joined a party, any beginners advice? what can i expect?
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CPUSA Town Hall
Hey anons, I just wanted to let you guys know that the CPUSA is having a virtual Town Hall this Sunday to discuss the Coronavirus and the global economic situation.
It's open to everyone, and we're trying our damnedest to get the word out; the party's spent hundreds of dollars today just trying to advertise it on twitter alone.
Look, I know there's a lot of negative opinion about the CPUSA; that it's "dead" or infiltrated (like any other left party isn't) or what have you, but there's a lot of good people in it trying to bring Marxism-Leninism to the U.S., we also retain important ties with the CPC, DPRK, Vietnam, Cuba, etc.
I wanted to invite you guys, because /leftypol/ was part of the reason I went left wing, so I wanted to extend the invite to some anons here.
Oh, I also figured I'd mention I run the @SocalCPUSA twitter account, and I'm giving away a copy of Doom Eternal, too.
Anyways, feel free to check it out. The invitation is open to anyone.
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/leftybritpol/ - Ghana Says Goodbye Edition
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Thread for posting lefty Webm
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Why do we have so many China threads lately?
I know the discourse around China has been a huge part of the current crisis so far and that merits useful discussion of its role in all of this, but what I've seen lately is threads that, instead of focusing on the current situation of China and its policies, usually focus on historical points that've been gone over by many users here before and don't yield much useful discussion.
Is this a glowie tactic to take focus away from the real struggle or am I just overthinking this?
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The Politics of Minimal Difference
Recall the difference between the standard capitalist and the Marxist notion of economic crisis: for the standard capitalist view, crises are "temporary, correctable glitches" in the functioning of the system, while from the Marxist point, they are its moment of truth, the "exception" which only allows us to grasp the functioning of the system (in the same way that, for Freud, dreams and symptoms are not secondary malfunctionings of our psychic apparatus, but moments through while one can discern the repressed basic functioning of the psychic apparatus). No wonder Johnston uses here the Deleuzian term "minimal difference" - "a minimal/miniscule difference (here construed as the difference between the change-category statuses simultaneously assigned to a single intra-situational multiple both by the ideology of the state and, in opposition, by another, non-statist framework)": when we pass from the notion of crisis as occasional contingent malfunctioning of the system to the notion of crisis as the symptomal point at which the "truth" of the system becomes visible, we are talking about one and the same actual event - the difference is purely virtual, it does not concern any of its actual properties, but only the way this event is supplemented by the virtual tapestry of its ideological and notional background (like Schumann's melody for piano first played with and then without the third line of notes written only for the eyes). Johnston is right here in critically taking note of
< Badiou's quick dismissal of apparently gradualist measures of seemingly minor political adjustments and reforms (i.e., not-quite-evental gestures) in the spheres of legislation and socio-economics while awaiting the quasi-divine intervention of the system-shattering evental rupture ushering in an uncompromisingly "perfect" revolution. But, the preceding analyses call into question whether he can be entirely confident and sure that what appears to be gradual or minor really is so, or, rather, simply seems this way solely under the shadow of statist ideology's assignation of change-category statuses.
One cannot ever be sure in advance if what appears (within the register and the space of visibility of the ruling ideology) as "minor" measures will not set in motion a process that will lead to the radical (evental) transformation of the whole field. There are situations in which a minimal measure of social reform can have much stronger large-scale consequences than self-professed "radical" changes,
and this "inherent incalculability to the factors involved in setting the pace of the cadence of socio-political change" points towards the dimension of what Badiou tried to capture under the title of the "materialist notion of grace." So when Johnston raises the question of
< what if the pre-evental actors "don't really know exactly what they're doing or quite where they're going? What if, under the influence of statist ideology, they anticipate that a particular gesture will effectuate a system-preserving modification only to find out, after-the-fact of this gesture, that their intervention unexpectedly hastened (rather than delayed) the demise of this very system?
is not the first association that comes to mind here that of Mikhail Gorbachov's perestroika which, while aiming at minor improvements that would make the system more efficient, triggered the process of its total disintegration? These, then, are the two extremes between which political interventions has to find their way: the Scylla of "minor" reforms which eventually lead to total collapse (recall also the - justified, we can say today - Mao Ze Dong's fear that even a minimal compromise with market economy will open up the path that ends in total surrender to capitalism), and the Karybda of "radical" changes which in the long run merely fortify the system (Roosevelt's New Deal, etc.).
] Among other things, this also opens up the question of how "radical" different forms of resistance are: what may appears as "radical critical stance" or as subversive activity can effectively function as the system's "inherent transgression," so that, often, a minor legal reform which merely aims at bringing the system in accordance with its professed ideological goals can be more subversive than the open questioning of the system's basic presuppositions. These considerations enable us to define the art of a "politics of minimal difference": to be able to identify and then do focus on a minimal (ideological, legislative, etc.) measure which, prima facie, not only does not question the system's premises, but even seem to merely apply to its actual functioning its own principles and thus render it more self-consistent; however, a critico-ideological "parallax view" leads us to surmise that this minimal measure, while in no way disturbing the system's explicit mode of functioning, effectively "move its underground," introduces a crack in its foundations.
Today, more than ever, we effectively need what Johnston calls a "pre-evental discipline of time":
< This other sort of temporal discipline would be neither the undisciplined impatience of hurriedly doing anything and everything to enact some ill-defined, poorly conceived notion of making things different nor the quietist patience of either resigning oneself to the current state of affairs drifting along interminably and/or awaiting the unpredictable arrival of a not-to-be-actively-precipitated "x" sparking genuine change (Badiou's philosophy sometimes seems to be in danger of licensing a version of this latter mode of quietism). Those subjected to today's frenetic socio-economic forms of late-capitalism are constantly at risk of succumbing to various forms of what one could refer to loosely as "attention deficit disorder," that is, a frantic, thoughtless jumping from present to ever-new present. At the political level, such capitalist impatience must be countered with the discipline of what could be designated as a specifically communist patience (designated thus in line with Badiou's assertion that all authentic forms of politics are "communist" in the broad sense of being both emancipatory as well as "generic" qua radically egalitarian and non-identitarian) - not the quietist patience condemned above, but, instead, the calm contemplation of the details of situations, states, and worlds with an eye to the discerning of ideologically veiled weak points in the structural architecture of the statist system. Given the theoretical validity of assuming that these camouflaged Achilles' heels (as hidden evental sites) can and do exist in one's worldly context, one should be patiently hopeful that one's apparently minor gestures, carried out under the guidance of a pre-evental surveillance of the situation in search of its concealed kernels of real transformation, might come to entail major repercussions for the state-of-the-situation and/or transcendental regime of the world.
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What's the toughest redpill to swallow in order to become socialist?
For me it was accepting that nationalism is a bourg spook to keep proles in line
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are we heading for WW3 ?
this crisis would cause the worst economic depression in history. The united states is currently losing it's empire to China which is growing despite the crisis. A threatened US might risk the safety of the world for it to maintain its power.
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Russia in the 90's
I don't know much about it, so how bad did things get in Russia (and the rest of the Soviet states) after the fall of the USSR in 1992?
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Outlawing past regimes
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UK PM Johnson given ‘OXYGEN SUPPORT’ in ICU but is ‘not on ventilator,’ says Gove
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has received oxygen support and is being kept under close observation in the intensive care unit of St Thomas’ Hospital in London after his Covid-19 symptoms worsened.
Netanyahu, Gantz Agree on Plan to Annex Parts of the West Bank
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his main rival, Blue and White party chief Benny Gantz agreed Monday on a proposal that would allow Israel to annex portions of the West Bank under a unity government led by their two parties, Haaretz reported.
Stop the War urges Keir Starmer to stick to anti-war promises
The Stop the War Coalition said it was “disappointing” that he had appointed Lisa Nandy as shadow foreign secretary, adding that she has a mixed voting record on military intervention and a lack of experience in foreign affairs.
German police claim latest racist rampage was not the work of a far-right extremist
Despite the overwhelming evidence, BKA investigators portray the mass murderer of Hanau as just another mentally disturbed individual and claim he could not have been a far-right terrorist
Serco given go-ahead by Supreme Court to use lock-change evictions on refugees in Glasgow
SERCO can legally carry out lock changes to evict refugees in Glasgow after an appeal case was rejected by the Supreme Court in a “deeply disappointing” decision.
Iraqi military: 3 rockets target US oil company in south
At least three rockets hit near the site of an American oil field service company in southern Iraq early on Monday, Iraq’s military said, the first such attack in recent months to target U.S. energy interests in Iraq.
Roma suffer under EU's 'environmental racism', report concludes
Europe’s Roma communities are often living on polluted wastelands and lacking running water or sanitation in their homes as a result of “environmental racism”, a report has concluded.
In Naples, Pandemic 'Solidarity Baskets' Help Feed The Homeless
Although Italy's south has seen fewer deaths from COVID-19 infection than the north, its poverty and jobless rates are high.Acts of charity, long a hallmark of this city, have become more important than ever as a means of sustenance.
Pakistan arrests doctors protesting for coronavirus medical gear
Dozens arrested in Quetta for demanding protective kits for front-line health workers fighting coronavirus.
Trains and automobiles: People start scrambling to leave Wuhan as outbound travel ban is lifted (PHOTOS, VIDEOS)
People are preparing to leave Wuhan following the lifting of a ban on outbound travel, after more than two months, in the Chinese city where the Covid-19 pandemic began.
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On The Open Borders Question...
So I'm a little unsure of the arguments for open borders.
I have heard one argument that we have free movement of capital, but not free movement of labor. A labor surplus would benefit a nation, and supply and demand would work itself out.
Then there's this argument i read from bernie sanders, which was that illegal immigrants are exploited and undermine union efforts. Why entertain union demands, or have legal workers anyways, when you can pay people less, a lot less, and just call ICE when they piss you off?
As communists/socialists, where should we stand on open borders?
Please tear my asshole open if i said something dumb. Thanks.
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anarchist here i want any Authcoms to try to convince me why their ideology is better
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GLP and onwards
>muh pig iron
>muh crop eating insects
How do I respond to this?
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Do you support China /leftpol/ ?
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Can I ever be a proper leftist if I'm a slow reader?
There simply isn't enough hours in the day, years in my projected life span to get on top of all the stuff that seems to be a expected reading for hanging out in these circles.
How can a brainlet like me participate and further the cause?
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Altboard Revival Initiative
Bunkerchan is a great imageboard and it pains me to see its other boards that aren't /leftypol/ essentially being dead.
I know this is a meta thread but if I post it in /gulag/ less people are going to see it.
I say if you are a regular /leftypol/ poster, commit to making 1 post in every other board each day.
I don't ever look at the other boards, because there is no new content to engage with. I'm sure many people feel the same way. It's not just that the boards are less interesting, it's mainly due to the fact that no one else is creating any content on there to engage with.
/GET/ has a reasonable amount of activity, but /hobby/ only has 28 users. /his/ 14 and /tech/ has 1.
I'm sure /leftypol/ with its 400+ users could breath some life into the entire site.
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What is /leftypol/'s position on comrades lifting weights
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DiEM25 and pan-European reformism
Is there a hope or is it just pipe dream?
And even if, would it be enough for European left?
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I have found yet another Baltic reactionary crying about Muh Russian occupation. Can someone please send the pic/meme of one of the Baltic countries that supported the actions of the USSR. I think it was Latvia, not sure tho. Other memes regarding Baltic’s and *muh Soviet oppression* would be appreciated.
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Ima li nas ovdje? Da li postoje ikakve dobre komunističke partije gdje vi živite? Kod nas (BiH) su samo dvije ne važne partije sa ~300 članova koje ništa ne rade.
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US magazine for anti-IDpol socialism has 4 days left and 75% Kickstarter funding! LET'S RUN UP THOSE NUMBERS BUCKOS!
"We’re in the middle of a political realignment. The left, energized by the populist socialist campaign of Bernie Sanders in 2016, was quickly overtaken by what John Gray has called “hyper-liberalism,” and is now laser-focused on liberal identity politics, victim culture, and intersectionality. This is progressive neoliberalism with a rebrand."
● To analyze the infinite problems of capitalism generally through a Marxist perspective and consider a different political project.
● We want content that’s smart without being overly academic and pedantic.
● To support free-speech and value honest and open debate and not play the game of “deplatforming” and getting people fired or publicly shamed because we disagree. We will push against Twitter mobs and stand up for our writers.
● We can state our opposition to "wokeness" without it defining our political project. We don’t want to be reactionaries.
● To be against knee-jerk thinking and not automatically agree with an idea because it’s popularly thought of as “left” or disagree because it’s right.
● We have a clear enemy and it’s not anyone's race, gender, or identity; it’s your boss, it’s the elite billionaire class, it’s the so-called meritocracy.
● We need to have visions of the future that go beyond extreme libertarianism. We want to talk about big collective projects, positive freedoms, and true community."
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/dprk/ -- DPR Korea General
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I'm listening to my roommate complain in the kitchen about having to work 7 days a week to afford the cars he spends way too much on, and he's blaming everything on people that supposedly "get the government to pay everything for them", so I'm asking you /leftypol/ since I don't feel like arguing with him, why do americunts specifically have it drilled in their head that people that are homeless or on government assistance have more than they do? Where the fuck do they get these ideas from?
For background information my roommate's a mechanic and his dad owns the car shop that he works at, and he's like tens of thousands of dollars in debt because he took out a shitload of loans to afford play cars that he doesn't even like having to work on.
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How did the red army go from having so much trouble in Finland to being able to beat the Nazis in such a short period of time? Was Lend-Lease really that helpful?
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New booru coordination.
The old booru seems as good as dead. Administration is super slow and the old booru has a lot of tagging problems anyways. Let's migrate, with proper tagging now, to the new booru:
List of tasks
1. Create tag aliases
1.1 Standardize tags
1.2 Create aliases
1.3 Approve all aliases
2. Upload pictures
2.1 Create a google spreadsheet with first column being filenames
2.2 Add tags on seperate columns
2.3 Export file as csv
2.4 Find/create a script to mass upload
Perhaps we can borrow from this script https://github.com/Seedmanc/Booru-mass-uploader
so that we can use it's auth logic and have it use tags.
2.5 Use the script to upload pictures with tags
2. Alternative plan
2.1 Upload 10 pictures a time, following file order.
2.2 Tag them appropriately
2.3 Upload next 10 pictures
I have no idea how many pictures there are. The torrent is 4gigs.
3. Create leftypol icons (very optional, but in case anyone wants to give it a shot)
If you go on leftypol.booru.org, you'll see some anime girls holding numbers, we could change those if we wished to anything we want. The file type needs to be .gif (named 0.gif, 1.gif, ..,9.gif). Note that it doesn't have to be anime girls, it could be anything as long as it has a number.
The favicon can also be changed and the CSS can also be changed.
Here's the magnet link for all the lefty.booru pics up until some days ago
Feel free to discuss any better ideas on how to coordinate this.
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>In Nazi Germany, Hitler went after the Jews (less than 1 percent of the population), Communists, and Social Democrats, but in the USSR Stalin savaged his own loyal elites across the board. To be sure, the greater number of victims were ordinary Soviet people, but what regime liquidates colossal numbers of loyal officials? Could Hitler— had he been so inclined—have compelled the imprisonment or execution of huge swaths of Nazi factory and farm bosses, as well as almost all Nazi provincial Gauleiters and their staffs, several times over? Could he have executed the personnel of Nazi central ministries, thousands of his Wehrmacht officers— including almost his entire high command—as well as the Reich’s diplomatic corps and its espionage agents, its celebrated cultural figures, and the leadership of Nazi parties throughout the world (had such parties existed)? Could Hitler also have decimated the Gestapo even while it was carrying out a mass bloodletting?
>And could the German people have been told, and would the German people have found plausible, that almost everyone who had come to power with the Nazi revolution turned out to be a foreign agent and saboteur?
>Even among ideological dictatorships, Communism stands out
How do you reply to this?
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Teaching Kids in Quarantine
Whilst thinking of what my local mutual aid group could do for my community, I came across this:
These are activity worksheets for kids off from school and stuck in quarantine, made by an American anarchist mutual aid group.
Since the local primary school is pretty open to this kind of stuff, I got the inspiration to make some worksheets of my own perspective, that being from a British (English) Socialist.
<At least it'll give their parents a break and keep them from binging Fortnite or YouTube Vloggers all day, every daay).
Ideally I'd like to cover the core subjects:
>English (Literature(Novels, Poems, etc.))
>History (World and British)
>Science (Chemistry, Biology, Physics)
>Art (Paintings, Drawings, etc.)
My ideas right now are to use James Connolly, Bhangit Singh, The 1980s Miners' Strikes or Atlle/Bevan for History, Marx and Engles for Maths, Darwin for Biology and Paul Robeson, Daniel Kahn and Boots Riley (The Coup) for Music.
If any anons have any good suggestions for lefty figures or topics to use for each subject, that would be much appreciated!
<Also, be aware these are for kids from 5-12 years old, so don't say Stalin or Mao or whatever, suggest figures and topic that would be fairly acceptable to their parents (by British standards).
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Questions from a newfag
Interesting place you've got here.
After readying the FAQ I have a few questions myself concerning about some of your view points.
Why do you support Palestinians? What's up with the overwhelming amount of international multiculturalism anyway?
What is the difference between national socialism and socialism in your eyes, and how come you don't support the former? What's wrong with nationalism?
It seems that some of you do not like the idea of government, yet doesn't the left tend to support bigger government? Explain.
Why does it seem like certain speech is ban worth around here? Doesn't that just unnecessarily risk the encouragement of an echo chamber of opinion and thoughts? Anyone who doesn't follow the general consensus can be banned for having the wrong opinion. Isn't that thought policing? Even if someone is an SJW or troll shouldn't they be allowed to look like a dumbass in the off chance that those are their genuine opinions?
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a pretty good take on capitalism, even quotes eugene debs and gives a marxist definition of class.
This is from a regular youtube channel that does documentaries about random shit (what if we're living in a simulation? etc.)
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Putting infantile critiques of Marxism-Leninism to bed
Let's clean up some misconceptions ultraleftists have about Marxism-Leninism.
A bureaucrat is not the same as a capitalist as the relationship to the means of production is proprietary. A bureaucrat can not decide that a factory must produce fidget spinners instead of steel ingots because producing consumer products is more profitable.
Exploitation in the Marxist sense is the rate of surplus-value extraction, e.g. the difference between the reproduction cost of variable capital (labor-power commodified) and the exchange-value of the commodity or service produced. With labor not being subject to commodification in socialism, there can also be no surplus-value.
>so what is surplus-value?
The social (historical) form the surplus product takes on in capitalism. Modes of production are defined by the social form of surplus-extraction, in socialism, surplus still exists in material form, which was accounted for in socialist states through the Material Product System. Therefore, the proletarian condition of producing surplus-value is abolished.
Marx says in Capital III that value as a metric for book-keeping will remain:
<Secondly, after the abolition of the capitalist mode of production, but still retaining social production, the determination of value continues to prevail in the sense that the regulation of labour-time and the distribution of social labour among the various production groups, ultimately the book-keeping encompassing all this, become more essential than ever.
This makes sense because as Marx says in the CotGP, labor-time as a metric will also regulate production in the lower phase of communism, the difference is that there is no social exchange (not the same as physical exchanges, like, exchanging tools in a factory) between producers, whereas the exchange-value emerges as the social form of labor-value (usually referred to when Marx says "value") which is not the same thing. Exchange-value is materialized of abstract labor, which is imbued in the commodity that takes on this form once it becomes social, e.g. enters the market.
>dictatorship of the proletariat but isn't socialism classles?!
As states were under capitalist siege, the working people in the socialist countries had/have to fend off the capitalist siege and still engage in foreign trade, even if the proletarian condition internally was abolished.
>why no further communization?
Because it's not just the social relations but also the real, material foundations that determine whether full preclusion from capitalism is possible. Capitalism, that is, the absolute subordination of labor under capital was only possible by machine production (after which workers were excluded from owning means of production, even though capitalist relations such as wage-labor existed before, but the capitalist mode of production wasn't realized until then), especially through the steam engine. Moving beyond socialism, and further the establishment of more advanced communist formation will necessarily be predetermined by things like full electrification with enough energy available for everybody. Productive forces aren't a Deng meme, they're very real, in that sense Deng had even a better understanding of historical materialism than Mao, because Mao did what Leftcoms usually demand, forming communes (most Leftcommunist tendencies such as the strain founded by Bordiga consider the end of war communism and the stratification of the NEP as the end of the Russian Revolution), and failed because of insufficient productive forces.
>working class seizing power is already some sublation of capitalism
As Marx wrote in "Civil War in France", socialism is cooperatives in a planned economy. Once the working class establishes itself over the heights of the economy, such as transportation, energy, heavy industry, national trade, etc. (in Marxist-Leninist words: the disentanglement of monopoly capital) capital as such ceases to be capital in the sense of a social relation within the capitalist economy (see: Anti-Dühring by Engels).
>socialism in one country
Not a contradiction to internationalism. As Lenin implies in his article about the idea of a "United States of Europe", socialism will happen in country-by-country and not at the same time.
>muh gorillions, red fascism
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Redpill me on Mikhael Gorbachev. What does leftypol think of him? What were his intentions?
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American fascination with war?
What is the deal with Americans and their fascination with war? It seems like everytime something like this happens we are "Fight an enemy" or "locking in on a target."
What is the deal with that? It's such a, not only stupid, by sadistic outlook on the world.
To hear the orange retard speak about covid-19 as "le invisibru enemy" makes me physically wince every time I hear it. Why are Americans like this? Should we, honestly, consider just nuking it at this point?
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Japanese bourgeois state Fukushima disaster mismanagement
>Japan accused of lying about Fukushima radiation
>18,000 people died
>Radiation still over 4 times national standard
>In the soil, can be inhaled in the form of irradiated dust
>Cancers could take up to 80 years to develop
Japanese proletariat is in danger. If utilized correctly by Japanese leftists this could put a real challenge to the entrenched neoliberal imperialist Abe and open up an alternative political path.
The Japanese Communist Party for example is principally anti-nuclear, a policy that resonates with the populace.
This is an interesting situation to say the least.
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Was Mao to blame for the great Chinese famine?
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Post your drawing requests.
I haven't done one of these in a while, but I just got one of those whacom tablets and want to test it out.
Pic related are some I drew for the last drawfag thread I did.
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Dentist Appriceation Thread
I've been seeing a lot of hate for dentists on this board lately. I don't understand that. Dentists are very important especially in the first world where cheap food will rot your teeth.
Say thank you to dentist!
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Things have been rough recently with isolation and my work shutting down and i just wanted to thank leftypol for being a good place to learn more and organize
thats all thats the post.
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Can the US balkanize?
Not a burger, but it seems like you don't have enough ethnic tensions or an actual nation inside your borders (If you discount the native-americans). How is it supposed that America will balkanize? Could it, actually?
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what was his fucking problem?
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Hungarian Thread for /voros/ refugees
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Argentine elections, 1989!
In the aftermath of the Austral plan and hyperinflation, amid the 'impunity laws' that prevents members of the last dictatorship below that of the grade of colonel to stand trial (due to the 'just following orders' clause) president Alfonsin brings the presidential elections five months forward,
your choices are:
>Eduardo Angeloz from the radical civic union
<A right wing radical, Runs on a free market platform of spending cuts (amid 30% poverty)
privatizations, and defunding parts of the public sector deemed unprofitable
>Carlos Menem from the Justicialist party in the FREJUPO coalition
<He promises a "revolution of production" and huge wage increases; but it's not clear exactly which policies he is proposing or how he would attain that. deemed a populist, Former muslim turned christian, uses bible quotes to get the religious vote, makes a big tent coalition of Montoneros, industrialists and carapintadas, plus some shit about federalism, centralism, and inneficiency in the bureocracy, accuses Angeloz of being a neoliberal
>Álvaro Alsogaray, from the democratic centre union
<Liberal-Conservative, Military man, was in several important positions under the dictatorship, was forced on Frondizi as minister of the economy, where he went for the austerity meme, with all that entails (decreasing wages, increasing prices) Advocates spending cuts, privatizations and that Argentina must 'go through winter'
>Nestor Vicente from the united left
<against austerity and neoliberalism, LMAO who would vote for these losers, go ahead waste your vote
Pro tip: IRL it ends with Menem winning, enacting privatizations, budget cuts and fixing the exchange rate of the Peso with the Dollar, oh, and making a coalition with Alsogaray
But remember your votes count :)
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Are there any Irish people on Lefty/pol/. Compared with /pol/ I don't see a massive presence of Irish people. I was thinking of starting an Éire/pol/ thread,but I won't bother if it's just going to die immediately
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I want to learn more about Baathism. Who are the essential theoreticians and what should I read to understand this ideology?
Another question: Why do communists AND fascists praise Baathism? I've seen communists claiming, that Baathism is basically marxism with arabic characteristics, while fascists claim, that Baathism is fascism with arabic characteristics. Why??
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Thoughts on Zhou Enlai? Was he a revisionist or not, and does anyone have any good sources on who would have been a good alternative to Deng?
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Working from home and it's effects on labour organisation.
When capitalism came about the workers would get concentrated into factories, where they would be in close proximity which aided labour organisation.
Now, due to current events a lot people have started working from home and a recent poll in Finland showed that around half of the people working from home would like to continue working from home even after the coronavirus crisis is over.
Source (in finnish): https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11291865
How do you think telecommuting will affect socialist organisation now and after the pandemic is over.
Sorry for simplistic grammer. pls no bulli
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The story of Michael O church
Michael 'OChurch was a tech guy who worked at google and was fired for something he wrote on an internal mailing list. For all the hullaballoo about James Damore, this guy was the original james damore except his reason for getting fired was that he said things which were moderately pro union. Ever since, the tech industry (silicon valley is rabidly anti union) has tried to blacklist him at every turn, trying to get him fired from subsequent jobs, leading to him getting further radicalized. Originally an anti-communist socdem, he's been going further and further left due to the tech industry having a bizzare vendetta against him like he's become the 'Immanuel Goldstein' of tech, eventually leading to him actually saying shit like pic related.
Interesting story because he actually started off as a moderate liberal who just said something mildly pro union once and due to years of being shunned by the tech industry for that, he ended up becoming more and more radicalized, even as a PMC himself. He hasn't said anything ML but seems to be more in the socdem/breadtube catagory where he is shitting on neoliberal capitalism hard and flirting with radical leftism
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ITT: most retarded anticommunist "arguments"
For me as someone who lives in a post-Soviet country the most brainlet and anti-reality argument has got to be "COMMUNISM IS ANTI-CULTURE"
My family still has shelves with 100s of books they got in the USSR, real books like obscure classical works or science ones. You CAN'T find most of them in stores anymore because they have been replaced with lowest common denominator schlock like 50 shades of grey or cheap fantasy novels. You have to go to a specialized library to find books you could buy at any bookstore in the USSR. Little surprise that the USSR used to be "the most reading country".
Socialism built and supported theaters, museums, cinemas etc and most importantly it made them available to the entire population instead of a small leisurely elite. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to call the USSR the most cultured country in history if the criteria is the total number of people with access to "high culture" like classical music and theater. Don't even get me started on Soviet contributions to the art world like Prokofiev, Tarkovsky etc.
Classical arts were preserved and promoted, folk culture was supported too. The only culture socialism "destroyed" was religion and culture of the ruling classes like decadent balls. That's what reactionaries truly bemoan. It doesn't matter that 99% of the population went from ignorant peasants to educated people who can appreciate intellectual and aesthetic pursuits, a few nobles couldn't have their shitty dances and lavish palaces all to themselves anymore, so CULTURE WAS LITERALLY DESTROYED!!11
You'd have to be completely ignorant of history and reality to say "socialism is anti-culture", or be a lying reactionary who by "culture" means "when you praise Jesus and kill nigs". It's especially annoying to hear this from Russian right-wing zoomers who know nothing but fortnite and low-brow americanized tv entertainment, and somehow blame socialism for this state of affairs instead of capitalist restoration.
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/Nord/ - Nordic General
A place to discuss nordic socialist/communist history, theory and current events.
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Glowy watch. Content Cheka
Post suspected wreckers, and derailers. To laugh at and keep an eye on.
To promote productive conversation and help the community to maintain health of the board.
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Was Bukharin just a proto-Dengist or is that giving him too little credit?
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>successfully synthesizes Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought towards its logical conclusion of massacring peasants and unionists
what the fuck was his problem?
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Saudi Arabia and Qatar
What do you guys think about the 2017 GCC diplomatic crisis? What do you think of Qatar's policies and the MB. Is it support for the MB the dominant factor behind Saudi and UAE embargo?
KSA and UAE claim Qatar kept financing terrorists (which they also did) and that's why they imposed the embargo. Aren't they aware both of them did just that? It's just that Qatar funded terrorists they didn't like.
Also, how close tied is the Turkey-Qatar-Iran cooperation? After all Turkey is at war with one of Iran's main allies Syria, but the Saudi media have been pushing a narrative claiming that Turkey, Qatar, Iran, and the MB are in an unofficial alliance against the Saudis. They go as far as claiming that anyone who criticizes Saudi Arabia is supporting its rivals.
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suppose we drop idpol, what tool could we use instead?
i have been "pro idpol" for majority of my leftist journey. I never put it above or under class, i just saw them as intervened. after reading a bit of theory and reading people posts around here, i becoming more accepting of the anti-idpol position. I define idpol as simply "the relationship between identity and politics", i like it becuase its neutral, unbiased (as unbiased as a human thing be) and doesn't imply its bad in of itself.
The reason i was even interested in idpol, is because i just saw it as a tool or a framework to examine social and/or economic problems that face a certain specific identity. And they exist, economic problems maybe more important, but its hard to think about much you need to pay rent when you suicidal due to being cursed to being gay and being born in a third world country, and i have a hard time telling those people they should just focus only on class and ignore their current issues.
someone can tell me that all these issues are due or because of capitalism, which i could believe. But stuff like homophobia still presisted even in the ussr. Harry whyte sent stalin a letter, and then called a degenerate. So, what ought minorities do? clearly they can't use idpol, otherwise they'd be called sjw cucks by this board. Wouldn't that just push them toward neoliberals who seem far more accepting of them than marxists who seem to constantly be throwing slurs around? (you guys do what you want, i am not "wokescolding")
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Hello /leftypol/ 4channer here
Is it true that /pol/ in 8ch has you people arguing and that /pol/ took over the board because they had the better arguments while you guys created a containment for your selves?
Now the reason I am asking this is because I don't trust /pol/ nor their narrative and seen them photoshopped an infograph that was a political poll into a racial statistic and some of their arguments are literally retarded.
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How are the yellow vests doing? They seem to still be going strong. Any noteworthy recent developments? Have they taken any patricular ideological direction lately or is it still pretty much a mixed bag? Any french anons here wanna weigh in?
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Nicolás Maduro's letter to the people of the USA
>Caracas, April 3, 2020
>To the People of the United States of America:
>For weeks now, the world stands still, trying to control a pandemic that, without any doubt, is the greatest challenge we have faced together as a society and as international community. Our priority is confronting it, as is the priority of the people of the United States.
>Fortunately, in Venezuela, we have been able to count on some advantages. We took very early measures of social distancing and amplified testing, relying on our free and public healthcare system that counts doctors throughout the country with what we call family. We also rely on the invaluable community-based organizations to help raise social awareness and support the most vulnerable sectors. The solidarity of Cuba, China, and Russia, and the support of the World Health Organization has likewise allowed us to obtain necessary medical supplies despite Donald Trump’s illegal sanctions.
>In expressing my solidarity to you in this important historic challenge, as well as our consternation and grief for the consequences of the pandemic in the U.S., I also have the obligation to make you aware that as the world focuses on dealing with the COVID-19 emergency, the Trump Administration, once again instrumentalizing institutions in order to fulfill electoral objectives, and based on infamies under the pretext of the War on Drugs, has ordered the largest U.S. military deployment in our region in the last 30 years, with the purpose of threatening Venezuela and bringing to our region a costly, bloody, military conflict of indefinite duration.
>In the runup to this fallacious maneuver, last March 26, William Barr, an Attorney General of questionable independence (who recommended the 1989 invasion of Panama against Noriega and helped cover up the irregularities of the Iran-Contra scandal) filed, without showing any evidence whatsoever, accusations of drug trafficking towards the United States against myself and against senior Venezuelan State officials, even though data from the Department of Defense itself show that, unlike Colombia and Honduras, two of Washington’s allied countries, Venezuela is not a primary transit country towards the United States.
>It is clear that the Trump Administration is creating a smokescreen to cloud the improvised and erratic handling of the pandemic in the United States. The most optimistic forecast show that close to 240,000 souls will be lost in the United States. From the beginning, Donald Trump downplayed and even denied it, the same way he has done with climate change. Today, the crisis in the United States aggravates simply because, despite having the resources, he is not willing to transform the healthcare system to prioritize full care for the population instead of profit-based private medicine, insurance companies and pharmaceutical industry.
>We in Venezuela do not want an armed conflict in our region. We want brotherly relations of cooperation, exchange and respect.
>We cannot accept war threats, nor blockades, nor can we accept the intention of installing an international tutelage that violates our sovereignty and disavows the progress made in the last year in the sincere political dialogue between the government and a large part of the Venezuelan opposition that wants political solutions and not oil wars.
>Based on the foregoing, I call upon the people of the United States to stop to this madness, to hold your officials accountable and to force them to focus their attention and their resources on urgently addressing the pandemic. I also ask, together with the end to military threats, the end to the illegal sanctions and blockade that restrict the access of humanitarian goods that are so necessary for the country today. I wholeheartedly ask you not to allow your country to be dragged once again into another unending conflict, another VietNam, another Iraq, but this time, closer to home.
>The peoples of the United States and Venezuela are not as different as their lies intend us to believe. We are peoples seeking a more just, free, and compassionate society. Let us not let the particular interests of minorities blinded by ambition to set us apart. We, as our leader Hugo Chavez once said, share the same dream. The dream of Martin Luther King is also the dream of Venezuela and its revolutionary government. I invite you to struggle together in order to make that dream come true.
< No to a United States war against Venezuela.
< No more criminal sanctions.
< We want Peace.
< Nicolás Maduro Moros
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I saw Max Stirner at a grocery store in Friedrichstadt yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen milk cartons in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the cartons and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each as individuals, unique in their own “to prevent any electrical spookering,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
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Post commie vaporwave
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Common /leftcom/ arguments
Can you guys give me the most common talking points and arguments that leftcoms use against marxism-leninism and actually existing socialism? I'm going to be debating one later and id like to know what i'm up against. Ive spoken to this person in the past. And he told me that my definition of socialism is wrong when I said "a planned economy where the means of production are democratically owned and controlled by workers". He also said that USSR wasn't socialist because they had peasants, and quoted Lenin saying something similar to that effect. Anyways this guy is really really well read in Marx and Engels and I was wondering if somebody Could provide me a list of talking points, or at least some resources where I can learn more?
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UK PM Boris Johnson moved to intensive care suffering from Covid-19
"Over the course of this afternoon, the condition of the Prime Minister has worsened and, on the advice of his medical team, he has been moved to the Intensive Care Unit at the hospital," the spokesman said.
Infighting among Turkish-backed militias kill several in Ras al-ain, northeast Syria
At least eight militants were killed and several wounded in clashes between two Turkish-backed armed groups in Syria’s northeast town of Ras al-Ain on the border with Turkey, local sources said on Sunday.
After Corbyn, UK Labour elects Keir Starmer, Zionist with Jewish wife, as leader
“I do support Zionism,” he later told Jewish News. “I absolutely support the right of Israel to exist as a homeland. My only concern is that Zionism can mean slightly different things to different people, and… to some extent it has been weaponized."
Prominent Corbyn allies moved off Labour front bench in Starmer's shadow cabinet reshuffle
Richard Burgon, Dawn Butler, Dan Carden, Peter Dowd, Margaret Greenwood, Baroness Shami Chakrabarti, Ian Lavery and Jon Trickett have all departed the Labour front bench.
Bots Made 55 % of Pro-Bolsonaro Tweets About COVID-19
Bots sent half of the posts by President Jair Bolsonaro's supporters on Twitter during the COVID-19 pandemic in the country and the pro-government demonstration and against the National Congress and the Judiciary.
Israel arrests Palestinian governor of Jerusalem
Ghaith's lawyer says he was apprehended primarily due to Palestinian activity related to the coronavirus outbreak.
Brazil's super-rich and the exclusive club at the heart of a coronavirus hotspot
Connection between Covid-19 and country’s globe-trotting elite highlights gulf between rich and poor in one of world’s most unequal societies
Sweden: PM Announces Thousands of Deaths Due to COVID
Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven warned citizens to prepare for thousands of deaths. Despite the forecast, the Swedish government does not enforce restrictive measures to face COVID-19.
Private ambulance driver displaying coronavirus symptoms refused test
ADRIVER employed by a private ambulance operator was refused a coronavirus test despite displaying symptoms because it is too “expensive,” the GMB union said today.
Coronavirus: US accused of ‘piracy’ over mask ‘confiscation’
Mr Geisel's comments echo the sentiments of other European officials, who have complained about the buying and diversion practices of the US.In France, for example, regional leaders say they are struggling to secure medical supplies as American buyers outbid them.
'Bad news': radiation 16 times above normal after forest fire near Chernobyl
Ukrainian officials have sought calm after forest fires in the restricted zone around Chernobyl, scene of the world’s worst nuclear accident, led to a rise in radiation levels.
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I hate western (especially US) rightist/"anti-sjw" cultural hegemony that has retarded status in Russia
For example, fake outrage with new Doom, when the alarmist news site makes another shocking news, that "SJW snowflakes are triggered because of this phrase" it will spread very quickly, but if in the west there are YouTube channels (like Shaun) with a lot of subscribers that can expose all this, at this time in Russia there are no such people, either they are not able to compete with the rightist, gamers-"antisjw" media, but I wouldn't be surprised if these people spread such news, it's their (sub)human nature although, but the most idiocy is that this "anti-sjw" agenda influence on many ordinary people and some leftists and they are not reflecting and therefore they spread this western rightist shit
To summarize, I hope all cancer schizo shit will die in Godblession country.
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Say no to separatism edition
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Just say no to drugs.
Or say yes. This only becomes a political issue once you try and uphold puritanical prohibition. Prohibition doesn't work and will only drive a black market into existence. This is a factual statement.
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Is it happening in Russia?
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Why do idpolers think class reductionism exists?
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Can you be a leftist if you are also a misanthrope?
Leftist thought appeals to me for ethical, economic and philosophical reasons.
However, I do not feel solidarity with my fellow man. My whole life, I have been an outcast. Society has not been kind to me. I still have empathy, so on an individual level I can of course empathize with the suffering of others. But I do not trust people to be kind to me. They never were.
Misanthrope is probably not the correct word. I do not hate humanity. I just do not trust them to be kind to me.
What do you guys think? Is there a place under the red banner for my kind?
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Was the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the PRC really a failure?
It'll definitely be necessary to address the cultural vestiges of the former, bourgeois society in order to combat capitalist restoration (like Maoists for instance, argue happened in China), but what pros and cons of the GPCR were there in the PRC? How could it've been implemented more effectively or should it've been implemented at all?
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How and when did Industrialization occur in China?
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How do anti-reformists and leftcoms explain the fact that
>Engels advocated progressive tax and inheritance tax and collaboration with "democratic socialists" (social democrats; the term didn't exist at the time) in The Principles of Communism?
>Marx said that their goals can be achieved by peaceful means in some countries, naming Britain, America, and the Netherlands?
>Marx declared himself "not a Marxist" in the context of accusing French self-described Marxists of "revolutionary phrase-mongering" after they rejected things like a minimum wage?
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What to do with the market mechanism, fellow leftists?
Sucdems keep it wtih generouls socialist policies, but I think by this board's standards that's "liberal"?
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Thoughts on him?
Why does he make /pol/negros seethe so much?
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Batshit insane bourgeois historiography and ongoing fabrications
Let's have a thread on the bourgeois historical falsifications of 20th century socialist movements where their older and contemporary hot takes are demonstrated. Screencaps from Le Blackie Book of Gobudisms :DDD posted with counter-arguments/explanations on how they manipulate would be very much appreciated. I bet there are anarchists here who can show us ancap/conservative/francoist examples of falsifying the history of Catalonia as well. Past or present stories, urban legends, fabrications, etc. about your own country's socialist movement perpetuated today would be also of interest. I would absolutely love, for example, to hear from an Indian or Turkish comrade how the bourgeois press falsifies their ongoing struggles.
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Hotwheels is pointing out some interesting shit on Twitter.
>Gavin Newsom (California Governor): California is an enterprising, modernizing, nation-state. 40 million strong. Together, we will get through this.
>JARED KUSHNER: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be states stockpiles that they then use."
>Hotwheels: Think about the repercussions of this statement. He views the states essentially as foreign sovereigns with no legitimate claim to the aide. The federal government then gives it to political friends, like other foreign aid.
>Governor DeSantis now says he'll take the 49 Floridians off the cruise ship sitting of his shores. He won't take the other 250 Americans or the 400 Canadians. So much for the country pulling together
>Hotwheels: Wow! I almost feel like this recognition of state citizenship is more consequential then Cuomo threatening war if his state were quarantined.
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Why the fuck do people make shit like this?
Apparently this is a "Catholic Maoist Party", the first two terms seem to contradict whatever it is they're trying to be.
Their discord seems to be a bunch of 16 year olds LARPing as the CCP
link to the discord in case anyone is curious: https://discordapp.com/invite/HY8K8qZ
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NPC brain malfunctioning at the site of a right-wing populist
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Capitalism and Coronavirus
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SALTING THE LEECH
ITT: /leftypol/ TAKES ADVANTAGE OF A GLOBAL CRISIS
We need to plan for May 1st to be an online agitation day, so everyone will need to do their best to spread the word. Since a lot of us will be in quarantine, this is a perfect alternative for an outside international worker's day demonstration.
We need to contact every syndicate, every communist group, every subreddit. All comrades need to be brought together for this.
Let's let our collective autism be the spark that lights the fuel of revolution!
The original idea was for this to be a rent strike in solidarity of those who can't pay rent, but it can be something else or something more.
POSSIBLE RALLYING POINTS:
There are going to be people as soon as April 1st who can't pay their rent. If you pay your rent next month, you condone their eviction
Don’t Pay Rent, They Can’t Evict Us All
The right to live is above all else
How can we phrase this so that people will be called to join in solidarity? How can we build momentum? What communities can we reach?
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Nazbols starusserites ect
i honestly think these types of reactionaries are the ones who are going to get far if we go through a derpession after all this Rona shit. these people take all the gains that soc dems like sanders has made about "the 1%" and co opt into their cucked ethnostate bable
what do we do to try and combat this strand of reactionary thought?
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The main problem with "Professional Revolutionaries", aka people employed by the party, in socialist/social democratic parties is that they tend to become alienated from the workers and the main goal of the party becomes perpetuating the jobs of its professionals. This is obvious in almost all degenerated socialist parties. A clique of oligarchical inner party members who are employed by paid dues and are mostly concerned with keeping the organization and their jobs alive. Same thing with Unions, same thing with all these organizations.
The only reason the whole idea of professional revolutionaries worked for the Bolsheviks was because their party was illegal and being a professional revolutionary meant being a criminal and being constantly on the run or undercover, which disincentivized the whole thing problem.
Whats your take on this issue?
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greetings fellow workers,
this would be a good place to dump pdfs, discuss generally on the topic, post recommendations, post memes etc., greet (cry) about the state of unions currently. socialist, anarchist, whomsoever, let's chat and share.
would love to see this lively since these unions will help us landscape the mop of every industry, they'll scare porkies, they'll give us room for further action.
>don't hate for "redditspacing": i write enough emails day-to-day to appreciate the clean look.
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I'm a communist from Argentina, have been for at least 10 years when I first started learning about it.
30 years old now.
I've spent countless of hours, in several different jobs trying to spread class consciousness, and I've done it in the correct way, not being aggressive, or desperate (talking about it from the get go), and without sounding retarded or anything.
but you just can't reason with these people, the can't follow logical arguments, they can't have a serious conversation, as soon as they're out of their depth (which is very soon, I'm a metalworker, these are the most unedutacted people in society besides the lumpen) they start making jokes and fucking around and can't follow what you're saying and making all sorts of logical fallacies if you're lucky to keep them talking about it.
at some point they think you are deranged or something because of how radical your ideas are.
they can't understand they're being exploited, they think capitalism is fair, and you can't reason with them, you just can't.
they'll be slaves that work 11 hs a day, 7 days a week, all year round, for ever, because of how retarded and reluctant to learn they are.
half of our population votes for proto fascists with hints of social democracy.
the other half votes for neoliberals.
the only communists of consequence are trotskyist and I'm fairly alright with them and even vote for them in elections, but they get like 3% top and play into liberal degeneracy in some specific topics.
the stalinist party are a fucking cancer, they join the proto fascists in every single election, and they contradict themselves every 2 weeks, changing ideas/opinions and decision.
this is horrible, I'm watching my life slowly wane away, spending most of it in a fucking factory, barely being able to survive, and I feel all alone.
don't like this life anymore.
thought this would be a bit cathartic
Mod edit: removed the FBI bait
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Communicating over the internet safely
How to contact and communicate with others over the internet safely?
Whenever there are talks to organize on a platform to discuss plans for people interested in taking action, others rightfully mention data mining and feds. Understandable.
But what methods can we use to communicate discretely & safely?
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What is trotskyism???
what are the major differences between trotskyists and MLs besides their theory daddies hating each other?
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Do you support Mao ?
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bUt Muh fReE MaRkETs cReAtEs inNovAtiOn.
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Starmer's win is a defeat, but our movement is not beaten
Starmer’s first-round win, secured by the backing of a proportion of the party not far short of Jeremy Corbyn’s in 2015 and 2016, gives the lie to the old claims that those victories were down to Labour being “infiltrated” by revolutionary socialists alien to its traditions.But nor did it indicate a mass flowering of socialist consciousness.The uncomfortable truth is that tens of thousands of Labour members who backed Corbyn in both 2015 and 2016 backed Starmer this year.
Greek Government Cuts Power to Worker-Run Factory in Midst of Pandemic
Thessaloniki, Greece – Under the cover of darkness at 6:30 a.m. on Monday morning, two vehicles of riot police along with the Public Power Corporation cut the power to the occupied worker-run factory of Vio.Me.
Romans-sur-Isère: Two killed and others wounded in France knife attack
Witnesses said the attacker entered a tobacconist in the town of Romans-sur-Isère, near Grenoble, and stabbed the owners and a customer.He then went to a nearby butcher's shop and attacked more people.
Hungary seeks to end legal recognition of trans people amid Covid-19 crisis
The bill, submitted on Tuesday as attention was focused on the introduction of a controversial set of measures ostensibly aimed at fighting coronavirus, stipulates that gender should be defined as “biological sex based on primary sex characteristics and chromosomes”.
Nepal: Masses confront enormous hardships from coronavirus pandemic
Last Saturday, nep123.com reported that many impoverished people and daily wage earners, including those in the quarrying and construction industries, are trapped in their homes and starving in Tanahun, one of 77 districts in the country.
Italy coronavirus death toll rises by 681, intensive care falls
The death toll from the COVID-19 epidemic in Italy rose by 681 to 15,362, a somewhat lower rise than those seen in recent days, while the number of patients in intensive care fell for the first time, the Civil Protection Agency said on Saturday.
African elite who once sought treatment abroad are grounded
The coronavirus pandemic could narrow one gaping inequality in Africa, where some heads of state and other elite jet off to Europe or Asia for health care unavailable in their nations. As countries including their own impose dramatic travel restrictions, they might have to take their chances at home.
‘The worst kind of fake news’: UK government blasts 5G coronavirus conspiracy theories
The baseless theories have gained traction recently, prompting apparent arson attacks on masts and leading to engineers working on communications infrastructure being threatened by anti-5G campaigners.
Mexico can tap $10 billion to address coronavirus, president says
Mexico will be able to tap around $10 billion from various funds and trusts to alleviate the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said on Friday.
Coronavirus epicenter could ‘possibly’ shift back to Asia, says public health expert
“Would it shift to South Asia? Would it shift to Africa or Latin America? We don’t know at the moment, but there is that real risk that the epicenters will continue to shift, and it could possibly even shift back to East Asia,” Teo said.
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Still no revolution. Neverevereverever
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How come neolibs are still leading socdems and socialist parties in europe when nationalist populists have shown that neo-libs are absolute clowns that cant get anything done.
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/SEA/ Southeast Asia General
There are (maybe) a dozen of us! Let's compare whose country is the most classcucked, I guess.
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What are your thoughts on the Hutterites? For anyone who doesn't know, they're basically like the Amish but without the aversion to modern technology and mostly live in Canada. They live in ~100 people agrarian communities called "colonies" and live a very communal life based on their interpretation of Christianity. They make money from their farms and local production facilities which is then divided evenly between families for whatever they need. Basically like a workers coop which isn't really socialism I know but that's most likely because they live in a broader capitalist society. They even cook and eat together a type of mess hall.
I have really mixed feeling on them. On one had, they're living a very communist -style- of life. Of course their ideas aren't actually based on communism but the similarities are pretty clear. No rich or poor, everyone works together, all that jazz. They're life style is also much more sustainable and self-sufficient. If (when) things start to get bad in the next few decades, groups like these will be the least affected. However on the other hand all their ideas are rooted in a strict form of Christianity. Everyone is expected to live by those standards and any deviation isn't even given a thought. It's also an explicitly patriarchal society. Men make all the decisions and women are expected to follow along, only really able to give their opinion but not a vote. All women are expected to have many children and do all the domestic work. Their conservative beliefs also most likely wouldn't gel with things like abortion and LGBT acceptance. People are able to leave if they want but it would no doubt be difficult seeing as they'd basically be giving up their family and everything they know about the world.
Regardless their an interesting people group. I think there's a lot that people can learn from them. Some additional questions: What would be done with them under communism? Would they be integrated or left to their own devices? Christians, how do you feel about their interpretation of Christianity?
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Dengoids are worse than capitalists!
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TROY PARFITT - WHY CHINA WILL NEVER RULE THE WORLD - TRAVELS IN THE TWO CHINAS
>‘China, China, China.’ It seems it’s all you ever hear these days. At least it seems it’s all I ever hear these days. I live in Taiwan, Republic of China, the island Beijing regards as a renegade province, so all the hubbub is a little hard to ignore. ‘People in China are well educated, highly skilled, inordinately industrious, exceedingly clever, English-speaking, shrewd at business, and generally not to be messed with,’ my adult students had routinely informed me over the years. “Tamen dou hen lihai,” or so went the common refrain: “They’re all so very formidable.” ‘Soon, we won’t be able to compete with them,’ the sentiment usually continued. ‘No one will. It’s just a matter of time before they start to shape the world.’
>I used to chalk up all this adulation to cultural bias. However, I couldn’t help notice that attitudes in the West tended to mimic this outlook. From the concerned parent’s, “Gosh, they make everything over there now, don’t they?” to the businessperson’s inspection of China book titles (When China Rules the World, China Shakes the World, The China Road: A Journey into the Future of a Rising Power) to the university student’s enrolment in Mandarin classes, it seemed as if Westerners were finally starting to sit up and take notice, and not solely owing to the country’s impressive economic performance, although that certainly was a large part of it.
>Since having joined the World Trade Organization in 2001, China had doubled its share of global manufacturing output, had seen its annual trade surplus reach as high as $218 billion, had enjoyed an average annual growth of more than 10 percent in all but three years, and had amassed foreign-exchange reserves in excess of $2.4 trillion; half invested in US Treasury bonds (China is now the world’s largest holder of US Treasury bonds) and half invested in notes. Not only had the country experienced a colossal commodity boom fuelled by rising incomes and the emergence of a bona fide middle class, but there had been minimal inflation, nominal unemployment (if official reports are to be believed), a colossal sum of foreign direct investment (China is presently the world’s second largest recipient of foreign direct investment), and – most significantly – no real sign of things slowing down, at least until the global recession came along, but even that wasn’t enough to stagger the leviathan. In 2009, China’s economy reportedly grew by 8.3 percent, surpassing World Bank expectations by nearly 2 percentage points. Even if it wasn’t the double-digit growth the country had become used to, China could always console itself with the trillion or so dollars it held in US debt. It could also take comfort in its currency, the yuan or renminbi or RMB, a non-tradable unit not subject to speculation or volatility. China’s cheap and seemingly bottomless labour pool was something else it could be chuffed about.
>In mid-2010, China surpassed Japan to become the world’s second largest economy. Goldman Sachs has predicted it will outstrip the United States economy by the year 2027.
By 2020, or so pundits were predicting, the Middle Kingdom was slated to become the world’s foremost tourist destination, evidence to suggest that, for the first time, large numbers of non-Chinese were taking more than just a casual interest in China’s history and culture. Indeed, Chinese culture was finally beginning to make inroads abroad, or at least beyond the superficialities of takeaway, tattoos, and The Tao of Pooh. In the West, Mandarin had made great strides in the realm of second-language study. China’s Ministry of Education estimated that there would be 100 million learners of the language outside of Greater China by 2010. A portion of this cohort would take classes in both Mandarin and Chinese culture at one of the Chinese-government-established Confucius Institutes, of which there are more than 335 spread over some 94 countries. In addition to language, educated and progressive people everywhere have shown an interest in Chinese calligraphy, Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), Tai Chi, and even fengshui. There was just something so very intriguing, so very Eastern about it all.
>Of course, not everyone was besotted by China and its media-touted meteoric rise. To be certain, something of a pitched battle had begun between a wide range of individuals and interest groups essentially over whether China was friend or foe. Politicians, Sinologists, other academics, journalists, authors, businesspeople, talk-show hosts, and casual observers were all weighing in on the matter, and, consequently, were facing off against one another in the rough capacity of Sinophile vs. Sinophobe, or panda hugger vs. dragon slayer, as they had contemporarily become known.
>At the time of writing, it should have been obvious to most observers that China had more than its fair share of problems. The once steady stream of sanguine fiscal projections, accompanied by snapshots of happy shoppers and glittering skylines, had failed to stem a recurring tide of negative press. Human rights abuses, peasant revolts, pollution horror stories, tainted exports, natural disasters, corrupt officials, growing concerns over an expanding military, unrest in Tibet and Xinjiang, the Taiwan issue, and friction with the United States clearly indicated a nation under strain. Yet, in spite of the rather ominous shadow that such reports regularly cast, the prevailing sentiment seemed to be that China either was the future or that it was scheduled to be an integral part of the future. It was a forgone conclusion. The Chinese themselves were claiming that the twenty-first century was going to be theirs, and panda huggers and dragon slayers were nodding their heads in either joyous or reluctant agreement.
But if China was rising, where exactly was it rising to? This seemed to be the question on many people’s minds.
>I found it odd that the focus was on what China might one day become and not on what it is at present and what it had been in the past. Although definitely important to keep an eye on the future, it occurred to me that predictions weren’t one of mankind’s strong suits. It also occurred to me that commentators preferred to focus on the theoretical because they often possessed only a notional understanding of China in the now and a fundamentally formless one of it in history.
>I suppose I had become tired of hearing about how wonderful China’s economy was. I was equally weary of hearing China being labelled a superpower or a great nation, with those terms seldom being qualified. I was unimpressed with the bulk of opinion piece forecasts I read in newspapers (‘Five reasons why China will collapse,’ ‘China’s inevitable path to democracy,’ etc.). I remained especially unmoved by China writers and watchers who had, for one reason or another, become smitten with the Middle Kingdom, believing it to be a land of immeasurable achievement and boundless opportunity; a nation that deserved its place in the sun by virtue of its antiquity and what it had endured. To my way of thinking, this equated to a near total refutation of its history. “China’s future is bright. So is its past,” or so went an optimistic blurb I read in a Western news magazine. But that was only true if you’d never studied China’s past. Anyway, with well over 800 Chinese missiles pointed my way, there was never much chance of a conversion. Truly, I failed to see any of the People’s Republic’s charms, although it has been said I lack imagination.
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Quarantine Beard Challenge
Everyone knows that communists have to have great beards or facial hair. Therefore, for those of us who don't have a beard, quarantine is a great opportunity since we don't have to go in public while growing it.
Increase your Marxism level by growing a beard in these trying times. Or at least a mustache.
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Why did Hitler, as well as a good portion of neo-fascists, see themselves as "socialists" or status-quo challengers when nothing about their ideologies actually indicated such things? And for that matter, why do so many people (image related) seem to buy into the argument that they were socialists?
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In all seriousness, beyond the memes, shitposting, and generational IDPOL, why is there such a generation gap between the old and the young? In the 2016/2020 primaries and even beyond normal politics, every poll and anecdotal evidence (in burgerland at least) suggests youth is correlated to being more leftist and less religious.
i'm looking for thoughtful or empirical answers
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>get into argument with Warren-loving lib about muh socialist dicktaytors and non-violence is necessary for the progress of society because apparently the rich are going to roll over and let the workers actually take the wheel
>spend half their time posting about how their living conditions suck, their coworkers regularly get fucked over by higher-ups in the country and so forth
We're fucked, aren't we? We could show these people the Great fucking Lakes and they would still rather drink from a muddy puddle instead. I hate liberals so fucking much.
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How should a socialist live? I mean, you can't really be a socialist and eat at McDonalds.
What should a socialist do in his life, so that he doesn't support capitalism?
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Has the US been historically less brutal and generally evil than other imperialist powers?
Not to say Amerika isn't the most evil country on the planet, not to say it isn't a monstrous global imperialist that uniquely in history only even exists because of slavery and genocide...so, yea, definitely one of the most evil empires (especially since it was originally an empire confined to the North American continent before conquering the Southern continent and taking over half the world after WWII) ever; I just mean though, the outward imperialism the US engaged in seems, at least, less murder crazed than the other European empires? Like, not justifying it at all, honestly I really just want to know why that seems to be the case. The British, well, their greatest hits makes it pretty damned clear the British Empire was the most evil enduring empire in history; their war strategy can be summed up as "Genocide anyone that doesn't have a gun" of course they got rocked when they finally faced equals in 1914 they got rocked hard and lost their empire in just 30 years. The Germans? Well, let's see, they wiped out 2/3 of European Jews in just five years, not to mention the genocide of countless other millions in the East of Europe, no more needs to be said for their crimes. The French were almost every bit as bad as the British, except less successful and they committed their crimes in a French way. The Spanish bastards got the "global overseas colonial conquest" ball rolling to begin with...so fuck em.
Why the fuck is the US seemingly less evil than these bastards? Are they just that good at covering shit up? That good at having puppets and proxies do their bidding?
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/webprop/ - Original Content General
ITT share and discuss web media that is produced anons on bunkerchan, as well as ideas and strategies for effective propaganda and educational content.
Due to quarantine I have a lot of free time on my hands and have been trying to get better at writing, video editing, and graphic design. I never run out of ideas but I would like to hear what sort of content anons would like to see on the internet.
This is not the e-celeb thread. Self promotion is fine, but bickering about personalities should be kept to a minimum. I want this thread to be action oriented as possible. There are plenty of other threads where we can be at each others throats, which I am not knocking btw: infighting can be fun and even productive. But let's try to accomplish something in this thread, how does that sound?
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Aren't they basically our generation's Nazi Germany? The Saudis have brutal inhuman laws and are responsible for the destabilisation of many countries, live off of slaves mining the oil and spread their hateful ideology of Wahhabism across the globe.
BUT they have oil. So they're not even just tolerated, they're welcomed with open arms.
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what is the ideology of deus ex geared more towards lib-soc or ancap?
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I am working on an essay about the political compass meme. I am aware that it is a dumb, but I'm trying to do a redemptive critique of sorts. Here's a video that explains why it is idealist trash:
Please post political compass memes, and any other goofy or serious ideometric models. Also post your analysis of these memes and graphics. Do they have some sort of utility despite their goofiness? Do their failures tell us something about underlying misconceptions people hold? Why did it catch on so well?
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Which of these books do you recommend?
And which should I skip?
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unification > balkanization
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What schools of thought may be derived from a Marxist analysis of the maximum time an individual can go without changing their underwear? I'm of the 3-days school, personally. I mean, sure, I don't do it all the time, but sometimes don't you just feel as if every now and then it's just not worth wasting all that water and energy just to wash a piece of fabric that isn't really even that dirty anyway just to appease some arbitrary standards set by bourgeois liberal capitalist society. I don't even care. I'm on my third day now and I feel fine. My underwear smells okay. I mean if you really put your face in it I'm sure you'd probably smell something but who is really doing that in day-to-day life? Certainly not in the average life of a proletarian, let me tell you. I spend my energy selling my labor all night and have to deal with all kinds of shit. Yeah, I still got a job (health) so I don't have to experience the anxieties that come with unemployment. Of course, I don't have to tell you things are bad. Things are worse than bad; they're crazy. But it's as if we don't even care. We experience it all as a surreal hypernormal state in which we are totally helpless to the fate of all things, yet for whatever gosh damn fuckin reason, we still uphold these completely arbitrary standards which make no sense whatsoever.
What are your thoughts, anons?
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Uppsala 1 May 2020
This is mainly going to my fellow swedes, but I'll have at least the OP in swedish.
The other week SAP (the swedish socdem party for you who don't know) cancelled all their 1 May demos.
I don't know if any other lefty party or organization will cancel theirs as well. I hope so.
HOWEVER, the nazis in NMR are going to have their demo in Uppsala, corona or not. But when there's a nazi demo there's a counter-demo.
Yeah, I know. Always confront nazis. But there's a corona pandemic going on.
Why not cancel the counter-demo and put up signs in Uppsala that says "I'd rather counter-demo against NMR, but there's a corona pandemic so here's a sign" or something?
Leaving them alone with the police would A) help flatten the curve B) paint NMR as a bunch of Nurgle cultists.
And in case someone wonders, I'm not part of any party or org who tries to spread this idea by underhanded means. Yeah, a very specific denial. But you just gotta take my word for it.
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The Grapes of Wrath
What do you think of this book?
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Fucking sucks that Rojava is getting hit hard in the last few months. i wish i was as politically active then as i am not because i would have loved to go over to help
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Does anyone on here follow breadtube i've been bit dispirited with it lately tbh it was since about the time Dr. bones got cancelled... it's nothing to with the lies about them being
pedos, rapists or catfishing themselves they are mainly Kiwifarms conflagrations, its more the infrequency and nonchalance of their output, and the arrogance that implies.
are there any other sites lile MeansTV with specifically lefty stuff? Or have you got any reqs on people i should be watching?? please say there is leftygab or Dlive or something. im just so sick of centrist media and the endless/bottomless stupidity of it.
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Egypt Ethiopian war
Place your bets anons
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if anarchists allow "justified hierarchies" are MLs not just anarchist since they only want hierarchies who are necessary in there mind?
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Capitalism's tendency to concentrate the population into urban centres
What are the materialist reasons behind the rural to urban migration?
Why does capitalism devastates, and hollows out the rural population, and concentrates them into the urban centres?
Should we, as socialist, counter this tendency? Is it desirable to do so?
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Is Marxism Leninism dead?
Our biggest threat to socialism today is the rentier class that has latched on to industrial capitalism and is actively dismantling it. Major industrial powers like France, UK and Germany are now de-industrialized and in trillions in dollars of debt. We are regressing into some kind of neo feudalism and there are few modern Marxists talking about this change in course. Industrial capitalism was supposed to set the conditions for socialism but we are regressing back into a more ancient system. Instead we are all going to be serfs to the IMF. A kind of international feudalism.
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We are trying to start a 24/7 class conscious movie/series screening chat room. Currently we are trying out the functions of the site. Please join us! But first, follow the guideline:
It seems that Firefox works but Chrome-derivatives don't! Please give us feedback!)
After you followed the guideline in pastebin, join our room: https://cytu.be/r/MarxLGBTQPOCantifa
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Hauntology of late capitalism.
Does anyone else actually miss being ignorant? I look at the world today and I have, honestly, never felt more terrified for my immediate future. I see global and economic catrastrophy. Social alienation is at an all time high and we are even in the middle of a biological pandemic that is killing thousands of people around the world and has brought our economy to a stand still.
I have been watching old videos depicting the aesthetics of the 90's. Unlike many of the youngsters on the internet today. I grew up in the 90's. I remeber the sublime ignorance towards the economy and the world in general. Life was a lucid dream, there was not a care in the world. Not for us Americans at least. Now, things are just so different, everything is hyper real and it seems devistation is only one small financial mistep away that might not even be directly my fault.
I miss it....I miss the ignorance of not knowing the inner workings of society. I miss playing my stupid gameboy with my friends and teenage love I miss the ignorance....Does anyone else feel the same? Do you, also, miss the time before you cracked open Das Capital and saw the world for what it truly was? Sometimes, I wish I could go back to just being ignorant.
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/leftybritpol/ - #PrayForBoris Edition
Allah has answered our calls and Boris has caught the virus, if we keep it up he will croak soon.
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What should I be Doing?
I read this piece from Rafiq today and thought I should share it with you all since I know other young socialists feel as aimless as I feel and would do well to hear these words:
"What should I be Doing?" by Rafiq
A common question asked among engaged radical intellectuals, is what they should be doing in practical terms, in the face of a deep recognition of the imminent catastrophe.
Though there is no easy answer to this, I should hope to provide a general outline of what Leftists can and ought to do in practical terms right now.
>Recognize the necessity of a reset button
Whatever affiliation you might have with socialist organizations, recognize that they are doing something fundamentally wrong. There is no excuse for our inability to disseminate our ideas among ordinary people - the level of discontent with the existing order is quite clearly measurable in terms of the explosive rise in reaction, both in Europe and the United States.
Something is fundamentally wrong with the way the overwhelming majority of Socialist organizations are not only dealing with the problem, but approaching it in the first place. Of course, many of these organizations can be a useful space for reaching out to individuals who recognize that what they are doing is leading them nowhere - this varies depending on how sectarian the organization is.
>Stay true to the traditions of the radical Left
That we need a reset button does not mean we ought to throw out the lessons we ought to learn, lessons which are rich in content in our tradition. To hit the reset button also means to re-read those who preceded us, but with an understanding of the concrete differences in context they faced, compared to us.
Every revolutionary movement, that was able to become a movement, began at the onset with intellectualizing. University circles would go on to form the basis of real revolutionary movements in history. The context of the Young Hegelians was absolutely pivotal for Marx and Engels to move beyond them.
This is because there is nothing spontaneous or 'organic' about Socialism. The reactionary socialism of the 19th century, has no basis of existence - already in European Neo-Fascism, and even - say - American populist libertarianism, an 'organic' means that which the discontent of the masses can be channeled exists. And this phenomena is exploding in popularity. 'Organic politics' is nothing more than uncritical enslavement to ruling discourse.
Yet self-proclaimed radicals today are a lazy bunch. They want to lead the revolution with no one to lead. They want to simply do things for the sake of doing them, so as to validate their quasi-consumerist political identity and call it a day. If you are serious about being a socialist, you must do things in the spirit of actually getting concrete things done. And before you can get concrete things done, you need to think.
>Take a step back and think
There are few radicals in the world today, that actually know what they're doing. You're in no position to be so eager to agitate for ideas you likely have a flimsy conception of in the first place.
At the onset, therefore, you need a deeply thorough understanding of what it means to be a Socialist in our epoch, in practical terms. You need a concrete understanding of what you are opposing and why. Socialism is more than an 'identity', it must be a real, relevant position in the controversies as they present themselves concretely.
Intellectuals of today, are a lazy specimen. If you are serious about your ideas, you have a responsibility to critically asses, theoretically, the basis of your ideas to the very end. Take nothing for granted. A ruthless criticism of all things must be boundless.
>Form intellectual spaces
If it is possible, find people who are politically like-minded, insofar as they have similar inclinations as you, and find a space wherein you can - boundlessly - discuss, and debate our present predicament as socialists. Such individuals should not be too difficult to find.
Ruthless criticism means so long as it is recognized that all have the same practical inclination (As radical leftists), the space and platform for impassioned debate, disagreement and intellectual controversy must be tolerated. Only insofar as everyone has their heart in the right place - so at the same time, there can be no room for reactionaries or enemy-ideologues. In such intellectual spaces, I would even advise against tolerating soft-left liberals. These spaces must be reserved for those willing to engage in ruthless criticism.
If one is able to muster up even just three like minded individuals who are willing to work together in forming a concrete assessment of our present predicament, which may take the form of assigning regular readings to discuss - that is a greater achievement then all the pamphlet-pushing or juvenile flag waving combined.
If you aren't willing to make time to do this, then you probably aren't serious about your ideas - and you should stop identifying with them. It's quite that simple.
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Some of you may know, (probably none of you know) William Blake as a poet of lumination. However his influence on leftism, Anarchism in particular cannot be denied. For example the anthem of the early labour party (when it was radical in the late 1800s early 1900s) was his poem Jerusalem,(although he had another poem named Jerusalem as well). Intrestingly enough he is not taught in schools today, despite his mastery over the english language. What is your assessment of this individual?
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The alt-right is the only thing that can save the left
Only the alt-right can save us.
The centrists are still doing right-wing bullshit whereas the alt-right is (reluctantly) championing UBI and more recently single-payer in the wake of the pandemic.
The democucks are a party of upper-crust managers and normies (AOC is a normie bitch who sold out the movement). They will ALWAYS be counter-revolutionary. Alt-right guys became alt-right because they were mad enough to be revolutionary they just got reached by the psychos first.
Idpol is a failure in messaging and strategy and must be abandoned. There's ample evidence of this (Hillary's 2016 campaign was literally all idpol and Warren crashed in the polls when she pivoted to idpol). Idpol is neoliberal dog shit designed to distract people from class interests. Also it's bad strategy/branding as literally everyone hates "SJWs."
With the crushing defeat of Bernie Sanders, it's clear the Democuck establishment will always be able to defeat any and all left insurgencies from now until we're underwater.
Thus, the only way we can have any semblance of left economic policies in the United States is to do the unthinkable: Join the alt-right push them left on economics while trying to whittle down the Nazi genocidal psycho shit as much as possible.
I know you're all going to disagree with this because either you're just idpol cucks or
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Praxis - General
A place to discuss getting shit done on the ground.
Ask and give advice, discuss and share resources on how to organize and take action locally.
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Youth Culture of the 21st Century: Late 2010s - 2020s
So, found this https://youtu.be/fNArWk3-Rc8
video about the new music popstar Billie Eilish. Tbh I haven't really heard her music or followed her much; but this video has piqued my interest. Rather, my interest in analyzing her as a unique cultural product of the youth culture that had eveloped by the late 2010s and continues to develop into the 2020s. As the video describes it, Eilish's music is largely dark and moody, with themes centering around things like despair and climate change; she utilizes things such as memes and reference material in a style that perfectly demonstrates the meme driven culture of the late postmodern era.
I find our current youth culture...fascinating. While Billie Eilish (a girl born after 9/11) rises in the music scene among the youth in general, films like Joker have made a splash especially with young alienated men (not necessarily just incels) who desire rebellion against a failing society; increasingly on class terms. Many places in culture we see class becoming more and more pronounced in the public consciousness; while young people all around the world give up hope for a better future more and more seek rebellion against those that robbed them of said future. This has two currents, both socialistic and fascistic; as young people struggle to find something to live and fight for in an increasingly alienated world. Films like Parasite are critically acclaimed for stark depictions of the evils of the wealthy and misery of the working classes; even the mostly apolitical Joker cannot help but focus specifically on the suffering of impoverished workers. As time goes on we move from films like Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Rises which depict the uprising of the oppressed as pure chaotic madness; to films that say the oppressed ought to rise up; even 2017's Get Out functions as a critique of liberal culture.
Another thing I have noticed, just as author David Wallace-Wells (writer of The Uninhabitable Earth) predicted; our dying planet, the loss of her beauty, is becoming less and less of an explorer setting but an assumed one. Films as disparate as First Reformed and The Predator look at man's fate in an Earth devoid of nature; many more films are shot such that seeing the end of nature in its background is unavoidable; there is nowhere else to shoot.
Culture now is strange; it is one of despair, one of rage, and increasingly; one of insurrection. And as our current pandemic intensifies I believe these tendencies may yet explode into a new cultural form.
Hoping a smarter anon than myself can expand on these thoughts😂
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Which Communist Leader is the Ultimate Chad?
Hard Mode: No Stalin.
Stalin is the ultimate chad because
>had sex with very young girls
>did so in unlikely and socially outrageous scenarios
>widely reviled as "just a thug"
>defeated Hitler in the great battle of the Chads, labelling him forever an art school reject Virgin.
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Just some ranting on the "final crisis" and the falling rate of profit
>In capitalism, through every stage of capitalism, the tendency of the rate of profit to fall has remained true.
>Austerity and destruction of capital and assets have temporarily set this back, but nonetheless it has continued to fall to ever lower depths.
>It's logical to assume that since this tendency has been consistent throughout the existence of capitalism, this is an inherent part of the workings of capitalism
>As the rate of profit falls(and capitalism becomes captured by finance), capitalism necessarily becomes a far more fragile system, something that can be shook tremendously by the slightest crisis. We're already seeing this with this pandemic, capitalism can't make profits for a week or two and civilization literally starts to split at the seams immediately.
>The rate of profit is already critically low, this is expressed in what has become known as the "gig economy", subscription services are also an increasing factor.
>The rate of profit will continue to fall, it has always been a historic trend and there is no reason to think it would not. If the rate of profit continues to fall, it is logical that at some point it must reach zero.
>It is logical then to say that to address this issue, capitalism must by necessity of crises be forced to transform into something else. Either a neofeudalism, a socialism, or something else.
While we are not necessarily in the final crisis of capitalism, we have seen the capitalist system use everything in its power so far to extract more and more from the proletariat. And it has all but exhausted itself. All it can really do to prevent itself from imploding is impose ever more austerity and take ever more direct and brutal control. This pandemic is nothing but a short test run in the grand scheme of climate change, pandemics like this are almost certain to be more common in the future, and god forbid a disease strike one of our pitiful monocrops like corn or soy.
The capitalist system from this point forwards will be frayed, decayed, and unable to survive without looting itself. The question here is simply how long can it keep going? How long can it survive by cannibalizing itself?
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What happened here
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Redpill me on Hoxhaism
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Redpill me on the Houthis. I know next to nothing about Yemeni politics or history. Should leftists critically support them?
Bonus question: There's this Danish guy on twitter, Rune Agerhus, who is some kind of journalist/reporter who constantly shills for the Houthis. Does anyone here know anything about him? Seems like a strange person. I googled his name and found a bunch of archived 4chan posts about him saying he's a muslim nazi.
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Labour leadership ballot closes
Voting in the contest to replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader has closed.Rebecca Long-Bailey, Lisa Nandy or Sir Keir Starmer will be announced as the new leader on Saturday.The party's next deputy leader - replacing Tom Watson who resigned in December - will also be revealed.
US blocks medical aid to Cuba in show of ‘wild west brutality’
CUBA has blasted the continuing US economic blockade warning of a “violation of human rights” after a shipment of vital medical aid from China was stopped from reaching the country on Tuesday.
Iran hits back after Trump claims it is planning Iraq attacks
Iran’s military and diplomatic leadership has hit back at Donald Trump’s claims that its proxies were planning a sneak attack on US bases in Iraq, claiming Tehran only ever acts in self-defence and has no proxies in Iraq, only allies.
Hancock writes off £13.4 billion NHS debt
THE £13.4 billion of NHS debt will be written off to help the service during the coronavirus crisis, Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced at the daily press briefing today.
19,000 ambulance workers strike in Northern India to demand protective gear
Thousands of ambulance workers in the northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh walked off the job Tuesday afternoon demanding protective gear and their outstanding salaries for the last two months.
In Ecuador, families wait with their dead as bodies pile up
Hospitals are turning away patients and bodies are being left on streets and in homes for days in Guayaquil, a normally bustling city of 2.6 million that has become a hot spot in Latin America as the coronavirus pandemic spreads.
Putin Extends Nationwide Paid Holiday as Coronavirus Numbers See Sharpest Rise Yet
President Vladimir Putin announced the extension of Russia's nationwide “non-working week” until April 30 after the country registered a sharp increase in coronavirus cases on Thursday.
Abenomask? Prime minister's 'two masks per household' policy spawns memes on social media
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has quickly become an online meme following his announcement Wednesday evening that the government will distribute two cloth masks to every household in the nation, a policy many slammed as out of touch with reality.
More than HALF of Britons believe government reacted too slowly to coronavirus – poll
The UK has seen its largest increase in deaths in a single day, jumping by 563 on April 1 to a total of 2,352. The number of confirmed cases now stands at 29,474, up by 4,324 in a single day.
Extremists see global chaos from virus as an opportunity
Both the Islamic State group and al-Qaida see the coronavirus as a threat, but some of their fighters also see the upheaval from the pandemic as an opportunity to win over more supporters and strike harder than before.
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What happened to leftypol.org?
I tried to access the site since yesterday but it seems it's still down.
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/Leftypol/ on the Israeli Question
Yes I know, another Israel thread, but I’ve been lurking for a few weeks and haven’t seen anything on it so far and have a few questions.
So unless you are like those anti-Deutsche (Bomber Harris do it again) or weird Ulster Marxists, most likely we are all against the state of Israel.
-What should happen to the Israelis living there for a few generations? If they aren’t ardent Kahanist settlers should they stay?
-Does the anti-Israel view extend to whites living in North America, Africa, Australia etc?
-Critical support for groups like Hezbollah and Hamas? (Somewhat of a meme, somewhat serious)
-Should we support the anti-Zionist Hasidim despite their obvious religious reactionary views on social issues? I know the most vocal of them that you see in protest like at AIPAC want to ban homosexuality.
This is all I can think of at the moment, more questions can be asked here because I find the situation in Israel to be very interesting for Leftists everywhere and the implications that follow.
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>Capitalism is an unfair system, it rewards lazy investors who contribute nothing to work while stealing all the money from the real workers. We should end capitalism and give workers back their hard earned work.
<Are you a Marxist, anon?
>Sorry? No. I have no idea what Marxism is.
Best way to radicalize normies.
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So, humble bundle is doing a neat offer in these confined times. However I've always been skepitcal of NGOs, and event like syrian war where Doctors Without Borders participated in shitty imperial propaganda made me even more wary.
And sadly, the choices offered oviously don't include WHO or cubans doctors, but mostly USA fucks.
So the choices include
US based, but seem OK
>International Rescue Committee
US director under corruption investigation, anti brexit statements
>Doctors Without Borders
participate in empire propaganda
>Partners In Health
founder praised cuba, seem based
so based on quick research, I'd prolly donate to that last one, anyone have any knowledge of these ?
You can also shit on liberals desperate attempt to get clean conscience through NGO, and how they're used by big corporations and states as marketing, tax evasion and soft power tools
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What is /leftypol/'s opinion of Tom Nook from Animal Crossing?
I've seen a lot of leftist argue that he deserves the bullet because he's a property owner, but others have said that in the game he gives away more than he could ever turn a profit from.
Does this mean he gets a pass?
I personally think Isabelle should be given critical support and usurp power from him at some point in time so that she could implement communal type measures after Nook industrializes the island using your labor, but it's almost as if the game is trying to say that Tom Nook is a necessary evil to get to modern communal living. The game doesn't really valorize his actions, either. He's a tanooki, and in Japanese folklore they are seen as tricksters by nature. In this way, he exists more as an anthropomorphized analog for the duplicity for the capitalist. Yet despite this, he also isn't as harsh as a modern capitalist might be. He doesn't tack on interest, have a set-in-stone timeline when you're supposed to pay him back, and won't ever repossess your home if you refuse to pay him. In this way, he represents more of the fantastical benevolent capitalist that Americans idealize.
The only conclusion I've been able to come to is that the developers themselves are a bit confused about who Tom Nook really is.
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It's all so...Boring.
Searching for jobs, applying, not even getting a rejection email. it's exhausting. The same information over, and over, and over, every single site forcing you to jump through endless hoops just to apply as a fucking grocery bagger, or dishwasher.
Video games stopped being genuinely enjoyable ages ago, at this point they're just something to distract my brain for a while.
Reading is alright when I have the patience, but the silence of reading tends to just be depressing.
There is nothing here, no public transportation, nothing. I'm stranded in this social desert.
I wouldn't know how to interact with people even if they were around.
Porn isn't usually satisfying anymore either, most of the time it just reminds me of how cripplingly lonely and isolated I am. When I see women I find attractive, I just feel an uncomfortable sort of extreme alienation, a detachment.
I just want out of this fucking existential hell. It doesn't matter what I do, it doesn't matter how much effort or thought I put into anything, because the capitalist system has essentially decided that this is it, and this is all I deserve.
I'm so fucking tired and bored of the same routine, and my only hope is that somehow I get a shit wageslave job that I won't really be capable of doing anyways.
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north Korea best Korea?
has anyone here been in north Korea? how was it? how based is it and also how do you get in and how long can you stay? also non biased (that also means no overly ML biased sources) red pills are appreciated
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Existing Socialist Countries
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Soviet usenet posts during August Coup
I was reading about usenet a couple of months ago and stumbled upon a website that has an archive of posts during the August coup from the 19th of August to the 22nd. It has some posts on the website but most of them must be downloaded. They are in the .tar format but they can be read with notepad or notepad++, or any other text editor.
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Decided to make this to spread awareness in leftypol. Thoughts on the idea of the next topic possibly being /edu/?
Some statements from mods:
>Mod Vote: After its time on /roulette/ is up, turn /his/ into a broad /edu/ board, also including content that would traditionally go on a /lit/ or /sci/ board. Vote ends 1.4.20 16:00 UTC. What's your thought on this?
>So, here's the deal, guys. Space is the only one who can push front end changes, as many of you are aware I am sure. Currently he is down a computer && because of the recent covid-19 outbreaks across the globe, as you can expect, it's not like he can just mosey on down to the library and do what needs to be done.We are having conversations about creating /edu/ right now and will be changing boards as soon as space is available to push the changes through. Sorry for the inconvenience. I hope everyone is doing well out there! - Coma
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Is there any evidence that china is actually capitalist and not socialist? Like is there any proof private property still exists and that there is a bourgeois class in china. Please do not post shit tier arguments that you got from a liberal.
> muh hong kong
> muh imperialism in africa
>muh military base in Vanuatu
> muh surveillance state
> muh number of billionaires
> muh human rights
> muh suicide nets
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Max Stirner is a pseudonym that Engels used to expose his actual ideals to Marx without being fucking bashed and instantaneously cancelled.
There are no photos of Stirner, the only two depictions of him are drawings made by Engels - which, btw, one of them was made 40y after Stirner's death for a biography by Mackay because he couldn't find any photos nor descriptions of his appearance apart from, of course, Engels. Engels was a closet egoist and the story goes like this: Engels has issues with ideals of non-individuality, humanism (Feuerbach) and authority, so he creates a scapegoat to publish his true beliefs because he doesn't want to get harassed by the ever-so-growing scientific socialism and the stigma that utopian socialism created with class cooperativism and "egoism". He publishes under the pseudonym "Max Stirner", a common name and a common surname in southern Germany - and if needed he can just point to a random dude he worked with, "uuhhh let me think, oh there's this Hegelian weirdo that Feuerbach told me about, what was his name? Oh somethin something Kaspar Schmidt fuck it, he will never know. The book doesn't get much attention, let alone enough to daddy Marx take a look. He gets a copy, send a bunch of *enthusiastic* letters to Marx, essentially praising himself and hoping Marx would agree. "But what is true in his principle, we, too, must accept. And what is true is that before we can be active in any cause we must make it our own, egoistic cause-and that in this sense, quite aside from any material expectations, we are communists in virtue of our egoism, that out of egoism we want to be human beings and not merely individuals." Engels IS egoist. Engels IS Stirner. Marx reads it. And it's shit. Marx comes to Engels and convinces him that Stirner is just a little whinny egocentric white bourgeois anti-revolutionary POS and both write an entire passage in German Ideology just shitting on Saint Max. Engels is pissed AND sad, he writes a rebuttal: Stirner's Critics, which is written in the third person (like a persona), defending his views from what Marx criticized in German Ideology, or should I say, would criticize, because German Ideology was published the year AFTER Stirner's Critics, but by pure magic Stirner knew Marx and Engels' criticisms before they published them. Well, The Unique and Its Property, Stirner's Critics and German Ideology are out and Marx still doesn't give a shit, so he gives up this egoism idea, maybe he changed his mind, maybe he just didn't care, we will never know.
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If the West is going to turn fascist where can I move to be safe and also live well if I'm a minority? That's also a question to all the other people on here who are minorities: If shit got serious, where would you go? Would you stay?
Anyways, back to me. I have a degree in comp sci, I speak English, German and in a couple of years Japanese. Any suggestions where I could go? I like New Zealand, but I haven't informed myself at all how right wing and bigoted they are over there. I just like the landscape. Maybe I would live in a hut in the woods with a dog, hunting my own food with a rifle.
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what is leftypol's opinion on pic related? was a he a communist or a liberal?
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Soviet Afghanistan War
Why did it had to end like that, bros?
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Trade Union Organiser Thread
This is a thread for the appreciation of trade union organisers of the world.
Post speeches, history, videos, stories, pictures. Past, Present, future. The more militant the better.
What we have on the left here is an shining example of a trade unionist. A Bolivian miner who says "who won our democracy with dynamite." He marches against the Anez coup government.
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Reality check: if you call yourself a communist because you want to "abolish work" and engage in hedonistic behavior all day, you're batting for the wrong team. Capitalism is objectively the best system for you.
Under capitalism you can be part of the reserve army of labor and live the NEET life, or find some way to cheat the system that lets you live in relative leisure consooming commodities and entertainment. You can even start a commune in bumfuck nowhere and spend all day having orgies and reading slam poetry, no one will stop you as long as you can pay with autismbux. Capitalism promotes pornography, escapism via cheap mass-produced entertainment, fast food and substance abuse, and all those other cheap dopamine hits that such hedonistic "leftists" elevate to the meaning of life.
In socialism you will have to work one way or another (whosoever does not work, he shall not eat t. Soviet constitution) and the social infrastructure will favor constructive pastimes such as sports or science. Idleness will be treated as a societal ill.
So if you're the "I want communism so I don't have to work and can take drugs and watch cartoons all day" sort of person, just be honest to yourself and admit you're a libertarian with a coat of red paint. Your ideal society is neoliberalism with an UBI.
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Reds should take a strong stance against drugs and drug dealers. Reds should lead a healthy lifestyle. Too many liberal lefty "socialists" are smoking weed and supporting drug shit. Online you can even find some Communists promoting weed smoking and other bullshit. This must stop.
We should not support legalizing drugs. We should not encourage people to use drugs. That is disgusting and anti-worker.
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Against Socialism and for Communism, or Communism-communism
If you live in any moderately computerized country, including most third world countries, you should be advocating for the COMMUNISM described by Marx in Capital and Critique of the Gotha Program, rather than for socialism.
Cockshott has decisively proved that Marx's communism is 100% achievable RIGHT NOW, and has been for decades. Not only is this communism more "ideal," but it is also far more practical today than socialist half-measures. It carries none of the drawbacks of partial planning and partial marketization, money circulation in blackmarkets, mysterious accounting, etc that existed/exists in socialist countries. It is undeniably superior to capitalist markets in every way, with the ability to adapt and radically transform industry on the turn of a dime for any challenge.
For example, in the current COVID-19 crisis, a new central plan for mass production of masks, ventilator machines, santitizer, etc would be possible to calculate in an instant, and people could be set to work on it immediately. Resources and supply chains could be immediately re-routed for people in quarantine, work hours cut and increased where necessary. Likewise, communist planning is the only way to defeat global warming, using a whole-economy five year plan to replace fossil fuels.
This does NOT mean we should abandon our defense of socialist countries, but simply that wherever applicable, we should be demanding COMMUNISM NOW.
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>Whoah dude, Soviet tanks in Poland and Warsaw pact troops in Czechslovakia, that's truly terrible, i will stand for human rights
>Polish tanks in Iraq and Czech troops in Afghanistan, Lmao those are justified, Also Chelsea Manning is a criminal.
Sorry for the shit thread but i just wanted to call out these faggots.
Discuss Nato eastern europe states or something, lmao.
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Why are the Lumpenproles inherent unrevolutionary?
It seems they would have at least some revolutionary potential, especially those who have fallen from the proletariat.
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rage against the machine
>I'm raped for the grapes, profit for the bourgeoisie
What is leftypol's opinion of the 90s band rage against the machine?
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Alright, so I finally got around to reading Capital and so far it makes sense. But there is one part I don't really understand. In Chapter XVII (17). Marx talks about productiveness of labor, and intensity of labor. He describes them as two different things, but I don't understand how exactly they are different? Does anybody know the answer to this question?
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AP Sources: US to deploy anti-drug Navy ships near Venezuela
The Trump administration will soon announce that the U.S. is moving naval ships toward Venezuela as it enhances counter-narcotic operations in the Caribbean following a U.S. drug indictment against Nicolás Maduro, according to three people familiar with the situation.
China reports fewer coronavirus infections, tallies asymptomatic cases
China has decided to devote greater screening to asymptomatic sufferers and those in contact with them. In remarks during a visit to the eastern province of Zhejiang, President Xi Jinping urged better management of symptom-free cases.
Fractures grow among Iraq militias, spell political retreat
Soleimani held ultimate authority over Iraq’s toughest Shi’ite militias. But for those groups, loss of PMF military chief Muhandis, a rare unifying figure, was more significant.
Nicaragua: Murder of Five Indigenous Leaders Announced
The Center for Justice and Human Rights of the Atlantic Coast of Nicaragua (Cejudhcan) announced the murder of five indigenous leaders of the Wasakin and Ibu communities in the Bosawas region. The reason for these murders was the appropriation of the territory belonging to the indigenous community.
North Korea reacts to Pompeo 'insult' with threat to cut off talks
North Korea has warned it could cut off dialogue with the United States but Mike Pompeo has said the US still looked forward to talks, even after the North called his insistence on sanctions “ludicrous”.
Anti-arms campaigns call for ceasefire of British-made weapons in Yemen
ANTI-ARMS campaigners demanded a ceasefire of British-made weapons in Yemen today in order to protect the “almost collapsed” healthcare services in the event of a coronavirus outbreak.
US ignores calls to suspend Venezuela and Iran sanctions amid coronavirus pandemic
Aware of the gravity of the situation, both sides have been in talks about the possibility of a unity government, negotiations that were disrupted by timing of the Maduro indictment – which by charging top generals at the same time, made it less likely the military would desert the incumbent leader.
US bought France-bound face masks for CASH from China – French official to RT
The US bought out a planeload of Chinese-made face masks right on the tarmac just as the haul of the much needed protective gear was about to set off for France, the head of a French region told RT.
Israel Faces Challenges In Fighting Coronavirus In Ultra-Orthodox Communities
Known in Israel as Haredim, or God-fearers, ultra-Orthodox Jews make up about 12% of Israel's population — but they account for as much as 60% of Israel's COVID-19 cases, hospitals estimate.
In Belarus, some don't wait for Lukashenko to start worrying about coronavirus
Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko may have called coronavirus a “psychosis” that can be fought with vodka, saunas and driving tractors, but some of his citizens are taking matters into their own hands to protect themselves.
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Successful Revolutions in Anglo Settler States?
Has there ever been a successful socialist revolution in an Anglo majority settler state like Australia or the United States? How difficult would it be for one to happen?
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Behold the leader of the Free World
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What even happened to the Occupy movement ? Fuck that was a good opportunity to guillotine some of these motherfucker parasites but looks like it went the way of the civil rights movement. They just let us smoke more doobies and promote netflix and chill to pacify us some more, ramp up the dopamine pump as they say in public relations, probably. Fucking Bernays, what an absolute cunt he was, right ? I mean, after the revolution, he'll be remembered as a sort of Goebbels of the capitalist era, I bet.
Anyway, what can we learn from it all ? How did it begin ? How did it fail ? What can we do to emulate its successes and avoid its failures ?
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If you vote, what are you voting for? DKP? MLPD? die LINKE? Or something else?
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Can someone be a Buddhist and a Marxist? I pretty much agree with marxist writings however I do believe there is more to existence than material reality.
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Could he have saved the CPUSA?
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/hgl/: oh god why
so I guess I'll try reading Phenomenology of Spirit. page 3 of the preface and I'm already boggled by this writing style, but my powers of comprehension are not yet exhausted. Hegel is saying that he cannot possibly write a preface about the "aims and results" of his philosophy because he feels that it defeats the purpose of philosophy. ask me questions as I continue to read, and I will update as I go along.
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Was he based?
>Robert Philip Hanssen (born April 18, 1944) is a former Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agent who spied for Soviet and Russian intelligence services against the United States from 1979 to 2001. His espionage was described by the Department of Justice as "possibly the worst intelligence disaster in U.S. history."
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Why communists must support American imperialism
In the Buddhistic and ancient Christian books we read stern predictions about the time when the war between the good and evil spirits must begin. Then there must come the unknown ‘Curse’ which will conquer the world, blot out culture, kill morality and destroy all the people. Its weapon is revolution. During every revolution the previously experienced intellect-creator will be replaced by the new rough force of the destroyer. He will place and hold in the first rank the lower instincts and desires. Man will be farther removed from the divine and the spiritual. The Great War proved that humanity must progress upward toward higher ideals; but then appeared that Curse which was seen and felt by Christ, the Apostle John, Buddha, the first Christian martyrs, Dante, Leonardo da Vinci, Goethe and Dostoyevsky. It appeared, turned back the wheel of progress and blocked our road to the Divinity. Revolution is an infectious disease and Europe making the treaty with Moscow deceived itself and the other parts of the world. The Great Spirit put at the threshold of our lives Karma, who knows neither anger nor pardon. He will reckon the account, whose total will be famine, destruction, the death of culture, of glory, of honor and of spirit, the death of states and the death of peoples. I see already this horror, this dark, mad destruction of humanity
Happy April 1st
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Help me get ready for job interview
I will have skype job interview for programming internship. Here are some of the questions i will get. What should i answer?
- did you worked somewhere, you did some internships?
- how your experience will help you in this job
- how do you solve your problems, tell about some hard problem and how you managed to solve it
- what do you like to do in free time, where do you see yourself in nevt few years?
- what do you want to get from this internship?
- how many programming languages do you know
- how do you feel working in a team
- how do you manage your time
I am NEET, i havent had a job since 2016. I really need money. What i should answer? Its basic programming/helpdesk job
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/roulette/'s next topic
I decided that while there is discussion in the Mod feedback thread, people might not notice it, so why not create a thread directly on leftypol. What do you guys think should be roulette's next topic and explain why
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What are the most important papers in economics from the last decade?
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Attempted coup & assassinations: Venezuelan prosecutors subpoena Guaido as ‘among main perpetrators’ in US-backed regime-change op
Venezuela’s prosecutors have summoned Juan Guaido over his role in the “attempted coup d’etat,” as well as in alleged assassination attempts. Guaido is the main figure in US-backed efforts to oust President Nicolas Maduro.
Japan 'On The Brink' But Government Resists Declaring Coronavirus State Of Emergency
Japan's government on Monday resisted calls to declare a national state of emergency, despite a recent spike in confirmed cases of the coronavirus in Tokyo and warnings of further exponential growth.
US death toll eclipses China’s as reinforcements head to NYC
The U.S. death toll from the coronavirus climbed past 3,600 Tuesday, eclipsing China’s official count, as hard-hit New York City rushed to bring in more medical professionals and ambulances and parked refrigerated morgue trucks on the streets to collect the dead.
Italy's coronavirus deaths could be underestimated in data: official
The number of deaths from coronavirus in Italy could be underestimated in the official figures, the head of national health institute ISS said on Tuesday.
China zeroes in on coronavirus patients with no symptoms as new infections rise
China will start releasing information from Wednesday on coronavirus patients who show no disease symptoms, ordering them into quarantine for 14 days, a health official said, after the mainland witnessed its first rise in infections in five days.
Russia's Top Coronavirus Doctor Who Met Putin Tests Positive
The head of Moscow's main coronavirus hospital who met with President Vladimir Putin a week ago has tested positive, he said Tuesday, as the Kremlin announced the Russian leader's health was fine.
Grenfell cladding not the only type to burn easily, tests show
Cladding previously deemed safer than that used at Grenfell Tower burned almost as rapidly as the aluminium and plastic panels blamed for the disaster.
Government pledges supermarket vouchers for families with children on free school meals
HOUSEHOLDS with children who receive free school meals will get supermarket vouchers to cover costs of food while schools are shut due to the spread of Covid-19, it was announced today.
Palestinian Shoemaker Starts West Bank’s Mask Factory Overnight
As soon as Amjad Zaghir got word of the COVID-19 outbreak in Bethlehem, the 30-year-old Palestinian shoemaker from Hebron decided to transform his shoe factory into the only manufacturer of face masks in the occupied West Bank, as +972 Magazine reported Monday.
Coronavirus crisis puts EU credibility on the line, says France
How the European Union responds to the coronavirus outbreak will determine its future credibility, a French minister said on Sunday, after the bloc failed to agree last week on measures to cushion the economic blow.
Antarctica experiences first known heat wave
Scientists say they have recorded the continent's first heat wave after a spike in temperatures in late January. Researchers expressed concern about the damage the phenomenon could have on flora and fauna.
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Greek anti-fascist resistance hero Manolis Glezos dies at 97
Famed for tearing down the swastika flag from the Acropolis with his friend Apostolos Santas at the age of 18 in 1941, Mr Glezos embarked on a lifetime of political struggle, being arrested as recently as 2012 for protesting against EU austerity measures being imposed on Greece.
People of Rojava left to fight COVID-19 alone
North and East Syria cannot count on any of the protections or aid offered to state actors, due to its lack of international recognition, and has been placed under an effective embargo by Russia and Turkey, severing vital aid flows.
Houthis launch air attacks on Saudi capital
Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthi rebels launched ballistic missiles towards the Saudi Arabian capital, Riyadh, and southern areas near the Yemeni border on Saturday night.
Death toll in Spain rises by record 838 in one day
Spain’s total number of coronavirus deaths climbed to 6,528, as the country enters its third week of almost total shutdown to stop the spread of the virus, Reuters reported. The number of infections also jumped by 6,549 overnight to reach 78,797.
Modi seeks 'forgiveness' from India's poor over coronavirus lockdown
Modi announced a three week-lockdown on Tuesday to curb the spread of coronavirus. But the decision has stung millions of India’s poor, leaving many hungry and forcing jobless migrant laborers to flee cities and walk hundreds of kilometers to their native villages.
N Korea confirms 'successful' missile tests; fourth in a month
North Korea confirmed on Monday a series of missiles tests, claiming the test a day earlier of what state media said were super-large multiple rocket launchers had been a success.
Colombia: ELN Announces Ceasefire Over COVID-19
The National Liberation Army (ELN) announced a unilateral ceasefire in Colombia for the month of April. This is a humanitarian gesture by the organization facing the diffiult situation caused by Covid-19 in the South American nation.
Coronavirus: Hungary government gets sweeping powers
The Hungarian Parliament has voted by 137 to 53 to accept the government's request for the power to rule by decree during the coronavirus emergency.
Islamic State prisoners escape from Syrian jail after militants riot
Inmates seized the ground floor and entered the prison courtyard, from where at least four men are believed to have left the facility. Local news said the four were later picked up by the police.
Chile: Young Fighter's Day Protests Begin Despite Curfew
Social organizations decided to commemorate the date trough social networks due to Covid-19 prevention measures. Despite that, several groups of marchers started bonfires in barricades, cut the power and other disruptive actions.
'Probably the worst year in a century': the environmental toll of 2019
The year delivered unprecedented bushfires, record heat, very low soil moisture, low vegetation growth and 40 additions to the threatened species list.
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This is arguably the closest we have seen western nations going towards class warfare since the 1920s, all it takes is for the deaths in the USA for example to hit the 100k mark for people to finally start class conflict, it would'nt even be hard, just break quarantine and spread the plague where the rich try to hide, swarm them as they try to flee on airports or planes
who knew in this timeline the zombies are the proletariat rising up against the priviledged uninfected
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OK /leftypol/, if communism didn't kill 100 million people, how many people DID it kill?
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jeff from tiger king is a commi
>If you’ve watched the new Netflix true crime docuseries, Tiger King, you know that big cat owner and self-proclaimed "Tiger King" Joseph Maldonado-Passage, a.k.a. Joe Exotic, ended up in prison after being convicted on a murder-for-hire charge and other animal abuse charges.
>His Oklahoma zoo, the Greater Wynnewood Exotic Animal Park (also referred to as the G.W. Zoo in Tiger King) is now co-owned by husband and wife team Jeff Lowe and Lauren Lowe, who reopened the park in the middle of 2018.
>As shown in the doc, Jeff offered to put the park in his name when Joe’s legal trouble’s started, and Joe agreed. After Joe was sentenced to jail for 22 years, Jeff and Lauren took over full ownership of the park.
>Jeff and Lauren don’t shy away from the fact that, yeah, this zoo doesn't have the best reputation. But the Greater Wynnewood Exotic Animal Park's official Facebook page suggests that the couple helped take Joe down and implies that the animals are doing better than ever. "Come see how healthy and happy all the animals are, now that the horrible abuser rots in Federal Prison," one of the company's Facebook posts shared on March 11, 2020 says, alongside a photo of a tiger that reads, "Meet the couple who risked it all to take down the Tiger King when nobody else could."
Apparently jeff and his wife from tiger king are communists
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La Niña and the coming hurricane season
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The gulag ere I mean school wherein cranky old grandmas and grandpas attempt to teach science at a university level to children obsessed with trans and incel issues
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i heard people claim multiple times outside of this board you can be both a Marxist and anarchist at the same time
opinions about this take?
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How do you cope with the fact there won't ever be a revolution? Also I love how in modern propaganda posters they make the people fat hahahahhahaha it's truly fucking over, there's no winning with just land whales and trannies on your side. Just get a real job and stop larping online.
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Toronto construction worker's speech
It's pretty good and it's kind of going viral; too bad there's too much noise in the background to hear much:
Basically these workers are on the job site and have no protective gear, they can't wash their hands, they're breathing on each other from 6 feet away and they're getting pissed. That's the situation.
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Idpol As An Incorrect Application Of Class Theory To Identities: A Proposition
I have a theory that the reason idpol came to existence in the first place is due to an incorrect pseudo-materialist analysis of different "identities" as if they were social classes in the Marxist sense. The reason I think this is that:
A) The close proximity between the worst and most militant proponents of idpol and Marxism in its proponents. You can see this for example in the way white identitarianism coopts Marxist language to describe different races in a supposedly "scientific" way and their talk of "race struggle" and "race war" in the same way that Marxists use the words class struggle and class war. Another example is with the current intersectionalist idpol movement's (AKA SJWs) biggest and oldest proponents being either former Marxists themselves or intellectuals who've flirted with Marxism as part of the postmodernist current, which is where intersectionalist thought usually comes from. In this way they use a very crude form of class analysis, which rather than describing the relations of production in society as is customary within conventional Marxist thought, describes the relations of different social "identities" (ie. race, gender, ability, age and so on) and how they intersect and opress each other, using Marxist-sounding language.
B) The natural revolutionary aspect of class analysis as a means of emancipation. The fact that idpol proponents dress their words in revolutionary and class-oriented words to fool the casual observer into thinking that they are promoting genuine "emancipation" for whatever identity they are on its side. You can see this in the way that they construct a narrative of "oppression" around their identity (the oppressed modern white man and the oppressed black lesbian women of color, as examples), and the way they assign that oppression to the act of a singular "evil" identity that is the cause of all harm (the evil scheming Jews and the racist sexist cishet white men in the aforementioned example), with revolutionary calls to "struggle" against their oppressors (the white man's struggle against his (((oppressors))) and the POC struggle against whitey) in a language that is not too dissimilar to Marxist class language.
As such, I think that the best way to bring proles away from idpol and towards true classpol is to point out the inherent contradiction in using class analysis to analyze identities and to present them with a workable materialist alternative to idpol that describes the true relations of production under capitalist society and what they lead to, while finding a way to reconcile identity-based grievances within a class-based framework.
What do you think?
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how do communists seek to abolish it? is it necessary or even possible? in a theoretically moneyless society, wouldn't something else just replace it as a universal exchange item?
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The Clash of Civilizations thesis
So I've heard a lot about this thesis from neocons, racists, imperialists, and New Atheist types over the years. I've never got around to reading it. Should I even bother or is it a waste of time?
My understanding is Samuel Huntington's book is basically the anti-thesis of anything written by Noam Chomsky and is a defense of American empire.
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>Monarchs can't be good and bas-
>sees this thread
Yep, I'm thinking México would have been better with the French.
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Slavoj Žižek LIVE
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Are these guys feds or what?
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on "red fascists"
lets say you have someone, he wants communism except he wants to keep the state, so like what normies think the USSR was like, what do we call and how do we label these people? red fascist? super tankies? or is there already a term available?
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Tax Havens and Unaccounted Wealth
Start digging and discuss how much wealth is stashed away and it's current purpose and what can be done?
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As a marxist, anarchist, or whatever tendency, you need to be respectable and presentable so that people take you seriously when you propagate your ideas. This thread is for leftypol /fashion/.
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Define for me what you mean by "revisionism"
Who of the big leftist names in your opinion are revisionists?
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I have heard the claim before that the Soviet Economy was run on a computer. Does any have anything relating to that? I find the idea fascinating.
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I have a feeling this is going to be a good thread to have this year.
Anyways, to start off, I have a simple question. Could the reduction in emissions from current depression + the pandemic produce such an intense drop in emissions that it reduces the effect of aerosol cooling and massively magnifies the rate of warming?
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Thoughts on this book in general?
In particular, I was wondering how true the author's story is, considering how specific and rare a few of the terms he says are (Like "Economic hit man" itself).
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whats the name of the angry guy who used to post on online marxist forums and had a picture of bukharin as his profile pic
i remember reading about him on this site and he seemed fascinating, and I found his grasp of marxist theory fascinating and illuminating. there was some big text post that archived all of his previous posts. he liked to scream at people he disagreed with and call them names. he posted on some old marxist forum... anyone know the name of who I'm talking about?
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Socialism and Nationalism
Are socialism and nationalism compatible?
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Can someone explain to me what Adolf Hitler's labour banks were? In this video https://www.bitchute.com/video/VCxKMz1x1dfl/
at around 6:30 it says that he created a new Deutschmark that was backed by physical and intellectual labour. How did this work, what are your thoughts on it?
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Is the a bigger pseud on the left than Sakai
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I'm already democratic socialist, but why should I be a communist? I honestly don't fully understand what a communist is, but I have some cynical reservations about if a classless society could operate and not collapse under the onslaught of global capital. I think a class of leaders will always spontaneously arise even if you try to engineer it out of the system.
I also think out problems with global warming are so massive that we can't decentralize and let the state wither away or the Earth burning libertarians and petty polluters would win. Marx couldn't have predicted Global Warming would be an existential threat, and we just can't just wither away the state the way that Marx wanted.
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What did Hitchens really think about Occupy WallstreetM
Christopher Hitchens was purposefully a bit of an enigma. A former trot who rose through three classes and then turned indistinguishable from a neocon when he supported invading Iraq, he then later seemed to be on the verge of turning back to the true left on his deathbed. After the financial crisis he wrote this analysis in 2009, sort of hedging his bets on whether socialism could make a comeback in the future:
And when he died in December 2011, (just a month after Occupy was famously evicted from NYC,) his last dying words were "downfall Capitalism," and then he even had the USSR"s anthem play at his funeral whrn it concluded as people left. He was determined to die in a way that kep people puzzled as if to troll us on his final thoughts.
So what do you think Hitchens thought of Occupy? It's difficult to find reliable sources, and since he was dying he didn't seem to have written about it really. His time in public was more often spent on debating theists and telling them there was no God even while he was undergoing chemo, to cement his Anti-theist positions as his legacy rather than to clarify his Marxist legacy much. In fact, a little before he died he confided in an interview that "I'm no longer a socialist, but I am still a Marxist." (And he gave his reasons, which mostly relied on the premise that he thought the neoliberals had won, and the worldwide labor movements were dead. He also had become suspicious of the premise of solidarity if it meant getting along with Muslim immigrants after 9/11.)
What is not clear is if Occupy was causing him to doubt his conclusion, because he was hearing about a new grassroots anti-capitalist movement in America via the news.
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As socialists, we care about the working class of all corners, the international working class. But for the time being we can only advocate for our own country's working class, as we'd need to start somewhere. My question is in what ways can you try and advocate for your country's working class while also helping other working class people around the world.
A perfect example of this is NAFTA. Besides neoliberalism, an american socialist dislikes NAFTA because it takes jobs from the American working class and "transfers" them over to Mexico. However, if socialist in the US finds a way to get rid of NAFTA and brings those jobs back, it leaves Mexican workers without a job. How can you deal with this Equivalent Exchange without hurting both side or is that even possible?
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When did the communist movement lose it's head?
The vanguard party is the social brain of the communist movement. We are currently without a legitimate international vanguard. It is my view that the vanguard was the First and Second Internationals while they existed, and then the Comintern until 1921 when it adopted the united front strategy. From 21 to 44 there was none, and from 1944 to 1970 it was the ICP.
It is pretty obvious that the left internationally has been like a a chicken with it's head cutoff since the 1970s, disorganized and without any theoretical unity.
I know MLs will have a very different perspective on this, and I am not here to start a leftcom - ML refuse fight. I just want to hear other perspectives and have friendly chat.
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Leftist Hot Takes and Unpopular Opinions
Be nice, no bullying.
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>the free market has the best solutions? alright, *COOF* what solution does the free market have for this?
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Marxist-Leninists working with imperialists
What ideology is truly anti-imperialist now that the Marxist-Leninists have been exposed for the US lapdogs they are.
It's more sectarian now; fuck you, janitor.
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Any good sticker ideas?
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How do you think socialist society might revolutionize our understanding of science?
As someone that's been deeply fascinated with science since childhood, such as the history of the universe, of the Earth, of Life, etc. I find myself asking sometimes, how might socialist society completely transform our understanding of reality? Not in a "WOW WE GOT SUPER COMMIE POWERS" bs, but rather....capitalist society, in coming to existence; broke with the superstition and metaphysics of premodern society, in it science as we know it was born; with it came the first materialist understandings of reality. However, what if there is a flaw to modern science? What if that flaw is bourgeois ideology? To begin with, the bourgeois merely sees science and invention as a means to accrue profit. Secondly, the bourgeois understands everything in terms of competition and domination of one over another. Take the Theory of Evolution; it revealed the truth that all things that live are genetically related to each other; all living things make one family. Instead of thinking about the broader implications of these findings what was given was a theory of death and conflict. Darwin's theory is by no means wrong, but perhaps it is limited. Perhaps evolution, when taken in part with geochemistry and geological development shows the DIALECTICAL history of Earth. For instance:
>The first life forms changed the chemical makeup of the seas that allowed for more organisms to utilize sunlight. These organisms changed the chemical makeup of the atmosphere which allowed for complex multicellular life to evolve. As multicellular life colonized the land they changed its physical makeup. Ever since then Life has influenced the Earth just as the Earth has influenced Life.
Even the climate cycles of the Earth are heavily influenced by its living creatures, with human civilization being the most noteworthy example of this.
Just some thoughts; like with my Youth Culture thread, I'm hoping a smarter anon than myself would be willing to share their insights.
Also, if anyone has books on science from a Marxist perspective (no, not fucking Lysenko unless it's his relevance to epigenetics) I'd love to read it. Marxist writings on biology and evolution would be especially appreciated.
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When did you realize they were full of shit?
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National Lampoon's: Red Army Adventures in Krautland
Honestly, wanted a funny thread name for something that genuinely annoys me, namely....are Wikipedia articles written by Nazis, krauts, or the CIA? Probably all three, right? Been reading this article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence
about wartime rape and I noticed something.... There is barely anything in the article about the brutal rapes committed by European colonizers in the Americas, nothing of the brutal rapes committed against the African slaves. Know who is written of? The people resisting conquest.
The WWII section more or less has nothing about the Wehrmacht (probably written by West Krauts); despite the fact that it was a brutal rape machine that brutalized women in occupied territories as a wartime military policy; nothing of the millions of Soviet women gang raped at gunpoint; barely anything about Soviet women forced into sex slavery. But when we reach the Kraut women? Ho boy, three long ass fucking paragraphs
! By golly governor, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THESE WIKI KRAUT FUCKS ARE TRYING TO SAY THE RED ARMY WERE WORSE THAN THE GENOCIDAL FASCIST REICH, HMMMM????
Funny how no matter where you go the Soviets are portrayed as some subhuman savage horde, but the actual genocidal rape monsters? Oh, no, now we're supposed to pity
the woman kraut because in the 15-20 million man Red Army (which included many hardened criminals) some were monsters. MY OH MY!!!
The brutal rapes and slaughters committed by the US military in their invasions of Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan? Lmao, more or less completely glossed over. The rape of the Brits everywhere they conquered? Ignored. Spaniards raping their way into the entire South American gene pool? Pfft, ignored. But the dirty slavs? STOP THE PRESSES DEFEND WESTERN GERMAN WOMEN
Funny how Wikipedia is fucking FILLED TO THE BRIM WITH ANTI-SOVIET PROPAGANDA
How the fuck is political wiki not necessarily FASCIST AS FUCK!?!?!?
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internet as a tool of stupidity; or, porky's plan?
HI GUYS I HAVE READ
WATCHED A VIDEO/READ A SUMMARISING ARTICLE ABOUT A BOOK AND WILL NOW TALK ABOUT IT WITH ANGER AND AN AIR OF SUPERIORITY
>spurious and surface comments
>likely from a youtuber if it's history or philosophy
is there a master plan here? are the arguments we have, the ones wherein we know little of the topic but are willing to spew half-baked ideas, just bull shit brain-tensing competitions whilst we spam f5 waiting for another comment to attack?
it feels like the idea that we can engage with theory and arguments online, often in truncated forms, is a way of getting us to waste our time.
now, is this porky's plan? has porky planted the idea that this is what we should do? are we misguided in our belief that we are willing to learn from some faceless internet poster? we can comment on nearly all websites that are commonly used, why? what do we hope to get from comments on youtube, newspaper websites, twitter etc?
cheer up, we'll be better off some day.
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Is the DPRK the most successful Marxist State?
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Integration of American blacks into the capitalist superstructure in the 70s and 80s
Hey, this is something I had posted about in the Sakai thread but wanted to expand a bit. Note, this shouldn't be a racial idpol shitflinging contest, just interested in people's thoughts and perspectives.
Basically I've been watching a few vids about the history of basically different porky ad campaigns; the video I'm watching now is about the history of the soda industry. Something I had noticed but haven't really thought of before while watching the ad was the conspicuous lack of black people in the 1940s - 60s ads, to a mid-70s Coke ad that's some multicultural "we are the world" bs; to some coke and pepsi ads from the 80s which are all centered around black people.
Now, the obvious answer to all of this is that the Civil Rights Movement empowered the black middle class and made them into a new marketing demographic, however I do want to do a deeper look into this. Not some Settlers muh evil white non-proles bs, instead I just want some insights on this strange phenomenon.
At the same time that the US accelerated the War on Drugs which targeted primarily black proletarians; many companies and corporations began marketing to black people as hard as possible. Simultaneously there seems to have been a hardcore integration push for middle class blacks and whites (I believe working class blacks and whites were intentionally kept separated and hostile to one another) to the point that American society in the 80s largely seemed to just...forget almost everything that immediately preceded it. I wonder, what is the reason for this? Perhaps the new, multicultural middle class was meant to ensure a new Civil Rights Movement couldn't arise? I know the class purpose of the middle class is to be a buffer against the working class.
I know most people here are about 25 at the oldest, but I do hope there's at least one anon that was alive around the 80s that can contribute. Honestly this portion of American history is starting to fascinate me more and more; the time period proceeding the Civil Rights Movement, the 80s.
Idky but the 80s honestly seem like...one of the shittiest decades ever.
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Corona Virus Mutual Aid Resources
Since most-everyone reading this is too young to be outright killed by the Corona Virus and as lefties, we should be doing everything we can to support each other as governments around the world turn a blind eye to our suffering.
With that said, here is a thread dedicated to sharing resources for providing mutual aid in your community, including procedure, organizational strategies and steps to stop yourself spreading the disease unknowingly through your aid
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Tito rolls in his grave
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redpill me on prison guy. what do people here think of him? what are some of his ideas that are valid? what are some that is dead wrong? on scale of 1-10 how based is he.
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I dislike dictatorships, until they dislike america and say they are socialist, then I call them based and defend them from cringe crapitalists and anarkiddies
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How does /leftypol/ feel about the the General strike in April 1st, and 2nd? I personally am going to participate in this and get involved. As a member of Socialist Party. But anyways please discuss.
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>explain how in your view (in your autobiography) socialism as marxists envision it is wrong
>fight against any 'leftist' in your party and country (the Strasserites and Marxist-Leninists )
>help capitalists' profits increase
>invade the USSR for the benefit of the capitalists and ideologically because they're socialist
>also you make your own definition of socialism, specify it's completely unrelated to Marx, Engels or any other 'socialist' thinker
>suicide because you don't want to be imprisoned by the socialists
>75 years later some ancap calls Marx an ancap and that Hitler was a 'socialist' in the Marxist sense
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Can socialism/communism override in-group preference?
So I got to listen in recently on a debate between an accelerationist Natsoc and an anarcho-communist. The nazi questioned the ancom on his beliefs and asked him why he wasnt racist which spawned a huge debate.
The nazi's argument was that in-group preference is a natural psychological thing and will always force people into ethnic conflict as long as there are different ethnicities in a state.
The nazi then said that without a common enemy like the bourgeois, races will turn on each other in any multi-racial society. The ancom responded to this and claimed that overthrowing the ruling class and implementing socialism would pacify people and that people would now have something that they would want ot maintain, and that it would override any person's desire to stoke conflict on the basis of race.
The nazi then said something about the USSR having multiple ethnicities and that ethnic conflict erupted shortly after it fell.
The ancom then said it was a different state or something, i dont really remember.
Either way, this kinda seems like a typical nazi or race realist argument against multiracial societies that overly stressed the idea of "ingroup preference".
Any thoughts or arguments against this type of rhetoric?
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but muh thas not real/crony capitalism!!1!
<CEOs and executives are vastly overpaid and the reason for that is not free market
<If the government is in charge of the currency then it isn't real free market capitalism
<If force is involved in trade and interaction then it isn't free market capitalism
<how are corporations, regulation and guberments forcing people into the stock market etc. free market? All of these and more cause the divergence between worker and owner of manufacturing capital
These are real comments made by ancaps.
How do you answer these claims about ebil gubmint and how "force and violence are not real capitalism"? What are your arguments against this?
(try to bring proofs to your claims)
Was there any society in the past which hasn't government-controlled currency?
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"Mao's ghost would weep at Modern China while Chiang Kai Shek would smile"
I can't seem to recall the quote well, but it was basically a quote from a book, about how Mao's ghost theoretically would be displeased and sad with the current state of the mainland Chinese government while Chiang Kai Shek's ghost would applaud it.
Basically it's a saying about how much the CCP and mainland China changed so much ever since Mao died that it isn't communist or leftist anymore, that, even Chiang Kai Shek would be proud of it while Mao wouldn't like it.
Do you consider it a valid quote? Has Modern Day China and the CCP drifted away too much from its original inception?
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How do you deprogram yourself of reactionary beliefs and behaviour?
So, long story short, I'm a white dork living in a shithole Aussie town who spent most of his formulative years on /v/. You end up coming out with some dumb views, regardless of what ideology you end up turning to. Mostly unconscious stuff. Like, "haha, who would have guessed?" if say, a rich Jewish person pops up in a discussion for whatever reason. I know it's dumb, I don't vocalise it, and there is a shitton of working-class Jewish people out there, but it turns out numerous memes about people with the names -berg or -stein being big evil greedy bastards without actually getting exposure to Jewish people end up frying your brain. Or "haha blacks low iq no culture!!!!! peepee poopoo!!!!!!!!" despite numerous amounts of evidence against that stemming from black people being the originators of most genres of music in the past 100 or so years. How the fuck do you fight against these unconscious thoughts? Some people say "oh well you know better, so just act consciously against those feelings" but how do I know those don't influence my conscious thoughts? What's weirder is that most of these ideas disappeared for a couple of years after moving towards the wide spectrum of leftist beliefs, but they've come back with a vengeance. Is my brain legitimately broken? How the fuck do I deal with this? I don't want to be a shit ally to prole minorities because some fuckwits a few hundred years ago blamed Africans or semites for their shortcomings.
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>Hudson identifies himself as a Marxist economist, but his interpretation of Karl Marx is different from most other Marxists...Although Hudson's views are unpopular amongst other Marxists and sometimes vehemently rejected by them, his views converge with later writings of Marx himself.
I have babybrain and wikipedia's explanations are always hard to read. Can somebody explain to me the main controversy between hudson's views and other marxists?
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Reminder that any assertion that the nation-state no longer matters is debunked kautskyite nonsense
If nation-states were no longer relevant, WWIII would not be a historical process unfolding before us. It nation-states were no longer relevant protectionism would not have resurfaced.
Nation-states are relevant as ever, as is imperialist competition.
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Anybody find that they still struggle to fight capitalist ideology even now?
Basically, wanted to start a thread about lingering effects of ideology. Has anyone found, even as a communist, capitalist ideology/realism still affects thought in subtle way? For instance, my Maoist roommate mostly refers to women as bitches and seemingly sees girls he that like him as sex objects. Most commies I know still implicitly believe in liberal meritocracy and obsess over "getting a good career". I personally struggle not to give in to capitalist/fascistic suicidal social darwinism whenever I feel depressed (basically, liberal ideology that says depressed people deserve their suffering).
How do you figure this works? That one can fundamentally reject capitalism but still repeat its worst aspects?
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so i hear instacart workers are going on strike tommorow.
if a general strike happens soon what will stop the bourgeoisie from conscripting the entire male population and forcing them to work in logistical roles?
the average person will cheer for it and happily give up their sons to make sure food and medicine keeps coming to the stores, even western countries that have downplayed patriotism and nationalism for decades will switch on a dime and people will support it
does marx have a proper answer to the conscription question? i think not. males will volunteer in droves even to keep the show going they only wish to fulfill their biological role of being replaceable and expendable.
jannies plz don't delete my thread just because i attached thinking gorrila.jpg to it why do you hate this fucking gorilla so fucking much
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Freedom of Speech
I want to have a real in depth discussion about the lefts relationship to freedom of speech.
I want to start it off by talking about the French revolution.
Robespierre and his Jacobins achieved power as part of a sort of coalition, between themselves, the Girondins and the Sans Culottes, representing (roughly) two wings of the middle class, apirational artisans, lawyers, doctors, small property owners, (jacobins and girondin, the Jacobins being the more radical of the two) and the urban poor- Sans Cullottes.
The Jacobins eventually lost power, the Girondin eventually siding with counter revolution and couping them out of power. The Girondin were only able to do this as the Jacobins had severed their ties with the sans culottes, who made the bulk of the street movement base which supported the revolution.
While the Girondins thought the Jacobins went too far, the Sans Cullotte thought the Jacobins didn't go far enough. The Jacobins suppressed them both, destroyed print shops, imprisons leaders, etc etc.
Had the Jacobins not done this, they could have probably maintained power with the support of the Sans Culotte.
I want you to think about this. Yes, it is sometimes correct for a communist party in power to censor certain ideas, suppressing fascism is fine. But what of when the dissenters are on our side? What if the dissenters are actually our base? Suppressing that dissent could spell the end of the revolution.
I think this idea ties into the idea of a broad united front.
On top of that, in his book Towards a New Socialism talks about how free speech is necessary as a feedback process to achieve accurate production quotas and so on.
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Emplemon exposes a major weakness in the Pro-idpol left (accidentally)
Around the 37:00 mark Bedhead Bernie gave out the hypothesis that corporate entities tried to give out an uprising against youtube in order to deplatform anything that corporations didn't like having around.
Millions of people will see how foolish they have been in trusting a guy like that, and the left's reputation is going to become (further) tarnished from that. I can certainly see a few right-wingers looking at this as a chance for them to push people further to the right.
Just a head's up.
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writing about the market failure
so, I'm writing an article about the market failure. the gist of what I want to write is, the pandemic was not the cause of the failure, but merely a catalyst. however, I worry that I am not well-enough versed in the details of the situation to write on the subject, and so I want to know what you all can suggest. let me see if I can recap what I already know:
>the funny line going down is what is referred to in economics as a "market correction": this means that the high point of the market represented a vast overestimation of the actual value of capital, and it was through more investors (whether human or silicon) realizing the falsehood of that overestimation and jumping ship.
>the fact that the pandemic pulled hundreds of millions of people out of the labor force shows that it was labor that created the value of capital, not the other way around.
>there were a bunch of predictions floating around during 2019, both on leftypol and among some published economists, that a crash was coming, but I don't understand what such a prediction entails.
so, what am I missing here?
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stop overusing the term fascist
Stop it. STOP. It only plays into the hands of actual fascists. Much like how Bernie has totally muddled the term socialist and has stripped it of all negative connotations, or how republicans scream that everything is marxist, the end result is that when genuine socialists come in everyone won't recognize them because idiots on the right have been screaming about "postmodern cultural marxist globalists" for decades.
BUT THIS DE-SENSITIZATION ALSO WORKS IN REVERSE FOR OUR ENEMIES.
/pol/tards from 8ch are fascists. Stormniggers are fascists. These people identify openly as neonazis and actually go out to kill their enemies in mass shootings.
Here's who ISN'T a fascist: Trump. Boris. Farage. Orban. Whatever christcuck moron is in charge of Poland right now. Even Bolsonaro.
>b-b-but they are racist/homophobic/oppressive towards minority groups
THAT IS NOT WHAT FASCISM IS YOU FUCKING MORON. EVERY WESTERN DEMOCRACY HAS GENOCIDED NATIVES; OPPRESSING AND EVEN KILLING MINORITIES DOES NOT MAKE A STATE FASCIST.
>b-b-but they are authoritarian!!!11
Every political movement is authoritarian in some way. The key sign to look for in determining fascist states is: HAVE THEY ABOLISHED VOTING AND BOURGEOIS DEMOCRACY ALTOGETHER AND KILLED OFF THE SOCIALIST POLITICAL OPPOSITION? If the answer is NO they cannot be genuinely categorized as fascist. Trump is never going to start fucking throwing socialists into death camps because he's a dumbass liberal who bought into the bourgeois democracy meme, NOT AN ACTUAL FASCIST.
>b-b-but but these people are sometimes supported by real fascists!!!
Yeah and some of our own people grudgingly voted for Bernie but that doesn't make Bernie a fucking communist or socialist so why would it be any different for anyone else? Guilt by association is stupid.
Generally it is the radlibs and anarkiddies who throw out the f word with no thought but lately I've seen it creep into ML lingo as well which is just plain retarded. Just fucking stop. Did you know there were Marxists in chile calling Allende a fascist before he got overthrown by an ACTUAL fucking fascist called Pinochet? Bet they felt real stupid getting raped and murdered by real fascists afterwards. Don't be like them. Take care with political labeling.
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Biological weapons to fight capitalism?
>By 1960, numerous biological weapons research facilities existed throughout the Soviet Union. Although the USSR also signed the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention (BWC), the Soviets subsequently augmented their biowarfare programs. Over the course of its history, the Soviet program is known to have weaponized and stockpiled the following eleven bio-agents (and to have pursued basic research on many more):
>Bacillus anthracis (anthrax)
>Yersinia pestis (plague)
>Francisella tularensis (tularemia)
>Burkholderia mallei (glanders)
>Brucella spp (brucellosis)
>Coxiella burnetii (Q-fever)
>Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus (VEE)
>Botulinum toxin (botulism)
>Staphylococcal enterotoxin B
>These programs became immense and were conducted at 52 clandestine sites employing over 50,000 people. Annualized production capacity for weaponized smallpox, for example, was 90 to 100 tons. In the 1980s and 1990s, many of these agents were genetically altered to resist heat, cold, and antibiotics. In the 1990s, Boris Yeltsin admitted to an offensive bio-weapons program as well as to the true nature of the Sverdlovsk biological weapons accident of 1979, which had resulted in the deaths of at least 64 people. Defecting Soviet bioweaponeers such as Colonel Kanatjan Alibekov confirmed that the program had been massive and still existed.
Will tankies defend this one too?
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Arguments for democracy?
A perfect example showing the complete failure of democracy is the 2020 Democratic Primary. Biden sniffs the hair of underage girls and constantly forgets where he even is or what is asked of him, yet wins the popular vote. There is no justification for this failure, although some try with nonsense arguments such as...
>Biden won because the DNC / media rigged the primary!
At most the DNC tipped the scale towards Biden. Telling candidates to drop out, Warren to absorb votes, biased media coverage, and similar measures can only get you so far. The problem still remains that a sizeable amount of voters decided to choose Biden over other candidates.
>Bourgeois elections don't count!
Just because no candidate was a threat to porky does not mean the outcome is irrelevant. In this election people had the choice between a socdem, a senile pedophile and a bunch of neolibs. People either voted willingly for senile pedophile, or can not comprehend how the senile pedophile is worse than the socdem guy. In either case the democratic method has failed.
>Only boomers voted for Biden!
Boomers are allowed to vote just like everybody else. Excluding boomers is an admission of defeat.
So considering that the voting population is retarded, why is workplace democracy a good thing? Why would i want people that potentially supported a senile pedophile having influence over anything let alone something as important as the workplace?
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Dirt on DNA heritage companies?
These tests provided by companies like 23andMe or Ancestry are popular among /int/cels and /pol/negros to prove they're le 90% white or whatever ethnicity, however I always had this gut feeling that giving your genetic information to a corporation can't be a good thing.
Anyone has proof on shady shit these companies do or how the info they collect can be used for bad stuff?
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'Some people will die, that's life': Bolsonaro questions Covid-19 crisis, says deaths in Brazil exaggerated for political purposes
"I'm sorry, some people will die, they will die, that's life," Bolsonaro said in an televised interview on Friday. "You can't stop a car factory because of traffic deaths."He remarked that in the state of Sao Paulo the reported fallout from Covid-19 – 1,223 cases and 68 deaths – seemed "too large."
Australian governments reject calls for lockdown despite rising COVID-19 danger
Like the Trump administration, Australia’s political leaders are determined to keep as many workers as possible on the job in order to shore up corporate profits.
Spanish PM announces stricter lockdown measures to tackle coronavirus
Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez on Saturday announced stricter lockdown measures that will force all non-essential workers to stay at home for the next two weeks, as the government reported 832 new coronavirus deaths overnight.
In Iran, false belief a poison fights virus kills hundreds
The poisonings come as fake remedies spread across social media in Iran, where people remain deeply suspicious of the government after it downplayed the crisis for days before it overwhelmed the country.
Uruguay: Cuts in Public Wages to Finance the 'Coronavirus Fund'
Uruguay's President Luis Lacalle Thursday announced cuts to public officials' cuts and pensions to finance the "Coronavirus Fund", which is intended to pay for the treatment of Covid-19 patients and medical supplies.
Canada: Vancouver homeless left to fend for themselves amid coronavirus pandemic
Janice Abbott, CEO of non-profit SRO operator Atira Women’s Resource Society, told Maclean’s, “We’ve got people who live cheek to jowl with shared bathrooms in poorly ventilated buildings. Without being alarmist, it’s a matter of time [before the coronavirus starts spreading].”
Mexican president's poll ratings hit record low in coronavirus crisis
Support for Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has fallen below 50% for the first time, hit by criticism of his response to the coronavirus crisis, public security concerns and a struggling economy, a daily tracking poll showed on Friday.
Snowden warns government surveillance amid COVID-19 could be long lasting
Edward Snowden on Monday warned that high-tech surveillance measures governments use to fight the outbreak of COVID-19, the disease caused by the newly identified coronavirus, could have a long-lasting impact.
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In the coming days I will be collecting schizoposts and using them to train a neural network to automatic generate semi-coherent doomer double-spaced posts about eugenics. Please post your schizophrenic rants in this thread to be used for further training data.
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This is the funny man, post him anywhere to be instantly funny
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Was Reddit a glowie honeypot from the very start?
It's well known that Reddit is absolutely stuffed to the brim with glowie Cold War 2.0 propaganda. Like, my God, it's disgusting how obvious all this shit really is, multiple subs act as nothing more than a constant stream of pro-imperialist propaganda against whoever the enemy of the week is; glowies upvote this shit to heaven on high, they downvote literally any opposing comments, and given the fact that this shit is so beyond obvious by now I can only believe that almost every single comment on subreddits like /r/worldnews are glowies. Like, fuck, Americans would have to be genuinely mentally disabled to not see how clearly controlled and curated discussion is there. The site attacked muslims as subhuman mud people for years until it became convenient to use them as a pawn against China. As far as I can tell there are fucking glow posters on every sub too; on Reddit it goes so deep that admins removed entire mod bases from subs like /r/syriancivilwar specifically so the pro-American, pro-Israel narrative takes control. The owners of Reddit are fully complicit with the CIA, for all intents and purposes the CIA owns Reddit.
My only question is; was it always this way? A decade ago the Pentagon began pouring millions to have glowies flood all social media and blast so much braindead bullshit that pretty much every social media site became a glowie propaganda hub. Ten years ago now, ten years, it was uncovered that Reddit receives the most traffic from Eglin Airbase, ten fucking years. The way Reddit is built from the ground up stifles discussion, already the voting system ensures debate is quelled and only retarded ass popular opinions can rise to the top; obviously this is very easy for a state actor to manipulate. Complete control given to mods more or less allowed a deranged dictatorship to arise on every sub where the culture either forced the sub to pump out shitty memes constantly (Chapo), or become isolated autists due to ban happy retards (/r/communism). Of course almost every subreddit is also pretty much centered around some form of commodity, thus the average sub is an advertising platform and little else (i.e. /r/Star Wars, which is very clearly controlled by either Lucasfilm or Disney).
Just, I really wanna know if being dirty CIA puppets was the plan all along?
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/dead/ - Post-Leftism General
Welcome to /dead/, the endless magical nihilist gulag. This is not 8/grim/, but it is the continuation 8/grim/. Think of it as partly an /r9k/ for anti-capitalists, partly /GET/ with skeltals, and otherwise whatever you make of it.
Now in thread form!
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Former Fascist Thread
Hey, I was wondering if any of you lads were former far-right/Fascists before becoming class conscious and reading about the plight of our fellow workers of color. I was a White Nationalist from about 13 to 17, I’m 19 now. Have been reading and educating myself so I get all that racist and anti-Semitic baggage from out of my head. Any tips to make up for my time in that toxic and evil movement? I feel regret about it everyday. Thanks comrades
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Marx's Unfinished Project of Capital
I was reading Ernest Mandel's introduction to Capital Volume 1 and took a peak at his intro to volume 3 and he said that Marx planned to write 3 further volumes which would have dealt with the world market, competition, the industrial cycle and the state.
Just curious, has anyone ever given a serious attempt to finish his project? I'm sure writing on these topics from the current point of view would be easier than in 1860.
All thoughts on Marx's Capital welcome as well.
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AI and Communism
Let's say that at some point, AI will be more intelligent than humans. Would a government run by AI and not humans be a good or bad thing?
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hey, just wanted to stop by and remind you that time is fascist
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Leftypol Magazine - New Multitude
Edited by vol, speaking in place of OP:
I have started a new online magazine called New Multitude. On here i post notes, theory and shitposts from the worldwide left via bunkerchan and elsewhere. I aggregate, summarize and order interesting material into articles that are easier to read for both bunkerchan users and outsiders.
Check it out!
We have so many intelligence, thoughtful and yes weird comrades here from across the world. Shall we make something together?
I'd like to start an online magazine. I have some experience with editing and proofreading but not much with site building (although a medium.com magazine seems fairly straightforward)
It would be great if we could have a publication with voices from different parts of the world. I think there's a gap in the online left for something like this that.
So yeah, who would like to join, either as a writer or site builder?
I've set up an email here for correspondence. Right now, it would be great to build up a network of interested people and then start work on the site as soon as possible. Ideally we'd work towards a model where we could fund our writers and editors. If you would like to write, but have nothing at the moment, don't worry, just express an interest and we can see what we're working with.
Any suggestions, support or naysayers?
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Questions for Anarchists
This is a thread dedicated to pose questions for anarchists for people who are misinformed/misunderstood on anarchism. Because the principles of Anarchism are way less well known that Authoritarianism.