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internet irony Anonymous 07/07/2020 (Tue) 10:10:16 No. 672130 [Reply] [Last]
Is there any escape from irony/post irony on the internet?
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>>673285 overuse of irony is nihilist cope. if someone does not engage in an honest argument let them be, no point in trying to convince them anyway. by now its a post sign of crypto faschs eaten away by their own insecurity
>>672130 <This but unironically I'm sorry but I had to do it to 'em, shiba-san
>>676466 Sorry shiba-sama. Forgive me.
>>672130 I'm so sick of irony. It's gone from funny and usually online or on TV shows to being the default for all conversation, sometimes even in real life.

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Colour revolution happening in my country, Serbia. Serbanon 07/08/2020 (Wed) 13:34:08 No. 674698 [Reply] [Last]
What the fuck bros... Today I woke up just to learn that the opposition protesters almost sucessfuly stormed the parliament. This happened after 3 years of attempts by different far right ultra orthodox groups to topple the government. They have been staging unsuccessful protests the last few months even before corona but I thought that they were all larp. But today they actually spilled blood on the streets of Belgrade and there are rumors that some are dead. These opposition groups are now all united and they are composed of nationalists, clergy, antivaxxers, "citize patrols" (lynch mobs that attack migrants), and generally older people and impressionable youth. They constantly called for "toppling the Satanic government" and talked about hanging the president and all journalists that are on his side. They call everyone who supports the current Vučić government "bots" and threaten them with retribution once they come to power. They echoed many Qanon talking points and even called China a satanic entity.( the country that helped us the most and doesnt recognize rhe independence of kosovo and were our historical allies). This is the largest and most violent protest so far since the toppling of Milosević. The scenes mirror these times eerily. What the fuck. These parties were fairly fringe but since the pandemic they were sprung into the mainstream. I'm honestly afraid for my safety. This is not the first time this happened. What the fuck do I do? How do I defend myself if they install their theocratic dictatorship? Video: https://youtu.be/gliOjDhzCos Owerthrow of Milošević: https://youtu.be/bQqMOaKKI-U
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>>677505 >>677524 >>677926 (me) Frankly, if you have 6 mins. watch it, pretty good and simple explanation about the simpicity of death and it's fear. (Also a brief note on how important is having friends in the correct places kek) Put it in 2x to not waste time. https://invidio.us/watch?v=clscC120ZQM
>>677452 While you are busy making the perfect the enemy of the good, the MAGA boys will be burying OBOR to thunderous applause from radlibs butthurt about muh corruption
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>>677727 Fala buraz.
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Stay strong Serbanons
>>674698 >>674712 it is a color revolution, since all the red libs and anarkiddies are supporting the protestors

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Why the FUCK are working class Americans reactionary Anonymous 07/08/2020 (Wed) 06:30:25 No. 674213 [Reply] [Last]
Every time I interact with rural usually white working class people in America they're literally always fanatical reactionaries and conservatives who are braindead Trump supporters. I seriously don't see why we cling to the retarded working class anyways when all they care about is having a harsher boot over top of them and scoffing at the very idea that things could be better for them. And why is it always upper class and "middle class" people who are closer to revolutionary ideas and more receptible to fanatic reactionism. The only class that makes sense here is the bourgeoisie being neoliberal as their best interest for their own class. I'm just fucking confused.
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>>678084 Was the civil rights movement a diversion that served the bourgeois?
>>678087 Yes. Blacks are not liberated today. Nobody is liberated because 60 years on we still suffer under capitalism.
>>678187 So we should NOT have fought against Jim Crow at all?
>>678187 Some blacks are capitalists now.
>>678190 Pretty much. It was a ton of effort that most workers did not support, which could have been better spent fighting class war. >>678196 And this is why idpol doesn't work. Stop propping up black capitalists in service of liberalism.

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Anonymous 07/08/2020 (Wed) 07:33:19 No. 674275 [Reply] [Last]
Remember when Americans ridiculed China for banning apps? Now that the US plans to do the same, they fully support it. Why are Americans so retarded?
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>>674275 GENERATION ZEDONG GENERATION ZEDONG GENERATION ZEDONG
>>678209 Well yeah your own government banning something from you, especially in the "free" USA makes TikTok extremely edgy. Like posting on /pol/ would look like gammy knitting yarn in comparison
>>678209 They will floss twice as hard on tik tok now, true praxis. I honestly don't understand why leftypol has such a hard on for zoomers
>>674275 Thy were also shitting on china's handling of corona virus, and now they're got the most cases in the world.
>>678216 We have to return to tradition and appeal to the small business IT guys of /pol/

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People who shill Quantum Mechanics against Dial-Materialism Anonymous 07/08/2020 (Wed) 14:05:50 No. 674777 [Reply] [Last]
One of the last arguments of certain people who are willful to fight to death against Dialectical Materialism is the good old proverb of "Muh Quantum Mechanics". Now then, how the hell are we supposed to counter this form of argument?
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>>677203 Kant was a Newtonian. <Kant's Physical Monadology (1756) takes as its task the reconciliation of the infinite divisibility of space, as maintained in geometry, with the simplicity of substances, which Kant believes is required in metaphysics. As was the case with his earlier works, the essential feature of his reconciliation lies in the way in which his matter theory is supported by his metaphysical views. Specifically, Kant asserts that simple substances fill space not by means of their mere existence, but rather in virtue of their spheres of activity. As a result, any division of the relevant spheres of activity does not compromise the simplicity of the substances themselves, since the spatial properties of substances (including the infinite divisibility of space) arise from the interaction between their activities rather than from their intrinsic features. In the course of the Physical Monadology, Kant also argues for the necessity of attractive and repulsive forces and attributes a significant role to the force of inertia. Kant's acceptance of such Newtonian principles represents an important change of position over the True Estimation, where Kant rejects the principle of inertia and pursues a dynamical theory much more in line with Leibniz's views. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-science/#OthSciHisPhyGeoAnt
>>677486 what does Kant's position on inertia have to do with his epistemology though? because at the end of the day that's all we're concerned about really when it comes to Hegel and Marx.
>>677440 I'm not physicist too. In fact, it is because that I'm not a professional physicist that I could see the true nature of "void" as Matter in Motion. Most modern physicists are kind of Idealists, who believe in the existence of some "God particle" or "Theory of everything". You're right that it's not enough to say "we just declare everything real to be real, checkmate idealists". In fact, real is not enough. The keypoint to differentiate Materialist and Idealist is that the Idealist suppose the existence of something in the world that untouchable, unchangeable, cannot be created, cannot be destroyed, but however can decide or influence everything in the world. Materialist don't think so, everything is mere mortal, it must be born from something and it also must die someday. If A can influence B, then B can influence A too. For example, have you ever thought about the nature of gravity? Why two bodies attract each other? Modern theory says that because of bodies will "wrap" the "spacetime" around themselves, however, why? By what mechanism bodies could wrap "spacetime"? And why the trajectory of a body must follow the curvature of "spacetime"? If a body is strong enough, can it resist "spacetime" and follow its own way?
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>>675943 Agreed, there exists a clear difference between our understanding, and how reality is.This doesnt mean at all, that the foundations of reality and everything we know ar not based on math, from simple geometry ,to physics, which is just an extension of said math.Besides their is a clear misunderstanding here.A mathematical model, is, in its creation and purpose not an accurate representation of reality.Since a model by definition represents a theory in which we make assumptions about how reality works in order that we don´t have to explain some phenomena and put more emphasis on others.There has, to this day, yet to exists a "theory of everything" as it is commonly known in any field, all phenomena are all explained via different models, which, in more times than often, come into conflict, a modern example being quantum gravity.
>>676831 >I'm actually quite speechless that so many here don't know what materialism means. You seem to be guilty of what you accuse others of. Perhaps you should have remained speechless and refrained from embarrassing yourself: >>677211 Just as there are different types of idealism, there are different types of materialism. What you are talking about has no bearing on Marxist materialism. >>677057 lol. idiot. >>677269 Excuse me, what? The point was that map =/= territory, and that our map "expresses only the degree of profundity of man’s knowledge of objects; and while yesterday the profundity of this knowledge did not go beyond the atom, and today does not go beyond the electron and ether, dialectical materialism insists on the temporary, relative, approximate character of all these milestones in the knowledge of nature gained by the progressing science of man." I don't know enough about philosophy to know if marxist materialism solves the problem of induction or merely sidesteps it, but that is the only good argument that I know of against it.

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Russia in the 90's Anonymous 01/22/2020 (Wed) 09:28:57 No. 225088 [Reply] [Last]
I don't know much about it, so how bad did things get in Russia (and the rest of the Soviet states) after the fall of the USSR in 1992?
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>>225088 Has this thread hit bumplimit?!
>>603257 >In the Soviet Union itself the counter-revolution has brought the people a catastrophe from which there is no way out, because capitalism is in deep crisis, a crisis which expresses itself in the destruction of the productive forces, the uniquely integral production complex of the country. Thousands of enterprises are closing, production levels have dropped to those of the early 1970's, valuable equipment is being lost, rare supplies of raw materials stolen, coal-mines inundated, farm animals butchered because of shortage of fodder. Cold and starvation are threatening this winter and unemployment is increasing. All this is happening when the working class as a result of "Perestroika" has become non-political, ceasing to be a class. By organising genocide, the counter-revolutionaries are taking their revenge on the previous generation which had built and defended socialism. In the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania for example, those who participated and who were disabled in the great patriotic war, have lost their pensions. Instead the national bourgeoisie that has come to power has awarded high pensions to those who fought the Red Army in the war, who hiding in forests after the war, raided and plundered villages and murdered true communists. And similar things are taking place in the Ukraine, Moldavia and in Russia, where war veterans, who saved our lives, are now being humiliated not only in words but also physically. >We may ask when did the coup take place which has plunged the Soviet people into bloodshed and misfortune? We consider that it took place after the events of August 1991 in Moscow, which were neither a "revolt" nor a "coup d'etat". It happened after the formation of the so-called state emergency committee. Up till that point the revival of capitalism had been conducted under the guidance of the opportunist leadership of the C.P.S.U. and had been camouflaged under the slogan of "socialist renewal". By the summer of 1991 the counter-revolution was ripe and a scenario was prepared for the move to the next stage, a scenario we believe was planned abroad. In this anti-communist drama the role of producer was played by Gorbachev and others and the role of actors was played by the pseudo-democrats who mobilised for the defence of the white house. The result of the provocation and the whole farce was that the working people were deprived of political power and the promotion of capitalism moved forward without any serious obstacle. A purge took place in the army, starting with those who had remained faithful to the oath to the Soviet state. Members of the state emergency committee such as Yanayev, Pablov, Krychikov and Shwenin were thrown into prison, while Minister of Internal Affairs Pugo and some other leading officials of the C.C. of the C.P.S.U. committed suicide in very strange circumstances. Gorbachev on his return from his so-called "detention" in the Crimea issued decrees prohibiting the activities of the C.P.S.U. and party organisations in the capital and local areas. One may ask why no one came forward to express support for the C.C. of the C.P.S.U. and for the regional and city party committees. The answer is clear of course: the party founded by Lenin and educated by Stalin ended its existence long ago and was converted over the last thirty years from a working-class party to a so-called "party of the whole people", a receptacle for social democrats, anti-communists, nationalists and anarchists. The party was not dissolved by anyone in fact; it simply crumbled, because only its signboard remained communist. https://www.mltranslations.org/Russia/andreeva.htm
>>676295 Bumplimit is 500
So when it comes to declassifying intelligence documents there's always a delay. So for quacky stuff like the CIA psychic program it took 20-30 years, or for example Seven days to the River Rhine took 20 years. Advanced technologies that could assist in Civil aviation or shipbuilding come out 40 years later. And dossiers about how different coups were organized are released to the public after use as study manuals for CIA guys. What do you guys think the chances are that sometime 20-30-40-50 years from now we'll see the public revealing of documents which more thoroughly incriminate the US and NATO in the dissolution?
>>676429 I know, its just that the thread was on the bottom despite me posting not long before and I wondered if it was locked or something.

/Nord/ - Nordic General Anonymous 02/21/2020 (Fri) 16:48:26 No. 290791 [Reply] [Last]
A place to discuss nordic socialist/communist history, theory and current events.
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>>668161 >They're waste of time. Yup, hard agree. >>668272 Yes, agreed. But... >There was a statue on Olof Palma street that intersects that had spraypainted on it “Fuck Olof Palme” twice on it. Was that something a lefty or a righty would do? Who fucking knows these days...
>>668306 You gotta remember that there was these micro alphabet parties that constantly split and called even VKP sellouts.
bömp why is M&Ms historical materialism bad?
>>673134 Because whatever they talk about or analyze, they do exactly what the right wing does: oppose absurd or badly built arguments from people who are self-proclaimed (or whom M&M claim to be) leftist, blame all problems on them, and ignore the real enemy, all while getting a round of applause from the right wing. It doesn't make it any better that they label what they do "true/real historical materialism". M&M are no better than Ben Shapiro or JBP who initiate college debates with kids who know shit, just to show how bad the postmodern neo-marxists are.
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News 7/7/20 News Anon 3.0 07/07/2020 (Tue) 20:25:53 No. 673269 [Reply] [Last]
Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus The Brazilian president, Jair Bolsonaro, has announced live on television he has tested positive for coronavirus.“It came back positive,” a mask-wearing Bolsonaro told a hand-picked group of reporters on Tuesday lunchtime outside his official residence. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/07/jair-bolsonaro-coronavirus-positive-test-brazil-president Bolivia: Socialist Candidate to Win Elections in First Round The Latin America Strategic Center for Geopolitics (CELAG) Tuesday published the results of a survey according to which the Movement Towards Socialism (MAS) presidential candidate Luis Arce would get 41.9 percent of the votes in the upcoming elections in September. https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Bolivia-Socialist-Candidate-to-Win-Elections-in-First-Round-20200707-0012.html ‘Price on your heads’: Aide to Venezuelan ‘president’ Guaido threatens journalists with FBI investigation over ‘Twitter hack’ Nothing says you represent an internationally recognized government like telling people who mock you on Twitter that the FBI is after them and that there is a “price” on their heads. Just ask Juan Guaido’s ‘ambassador’ to the UK. https://on.rt.com/al70 The US violated international law by assassinating Iranian general Qassem Soleimani, top UN human rights investigator says The UN has now refuted President Donald Trump's reasoning for the strike. But, while the report is damning, it is unlikely to have any ramifications for Trump, as the US is not a member of the UN Human Rights Council, crashing out in 2018 after clashing over Israel, the Congo, and China. https://www.businessinsider.com/un-says-us-soleimani-assasination-unlawful-no-evidence-iran-terror-2020-7 Opposition laments failure to unite after Koike wins big in Tokyo election

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thanks news anon
>SDF and Russia agree to increase coordination B-but muh over a dozen military bases?! Alternatively <Noo you can't work with the Russians, they are the enemy! <Haha realpolitik machine go brr
middleeasteye.net should be banned it's basically a Qatari site that publishes anything negative about Saudi Arabia whither it's factual or not. Qatar was part of the Coalition against Yemen before 2017.
>>678091 how are Qatar and Saudi Arabia being involved somehow mutually exclusive? I don't understand what's "not factual" here
>>678092 Qatar got kicked from the coalition back in 2017 when Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Egypt and other countries decided to boycott Qatar over claims of supporting terrorism and allegedly trying to overthrow the boycotting countries. Ever since then (actually even before) they have started an information warfare against each other and are practically in a cold war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_diplomatic_crisis I didn't read the MEE report to be honest here and don't dispute its factual integrity. My problem here is that OP is citing Qatari backed site against Saudi Arabia.

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Is Kanye West the socalist choice for president? Anonymous 07/07/2020 (Tue) 18:38:49 No. 673091 [Reply] [Last]
If Kanye where to run for president during this cycle would he be the socialist choice? Socialist bonafides: Understands that current social welfare and safety net is weak and punitive: "To the victims of welfare feel we livin' in Hell here, hell yeah (Jesus walks for them)" Mutual aid: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8137337/Kanye-West-joins-growing-list-concerned-high-profile-citizens-donating-charities-amid-pandemic.html Fix the housing crisis, by decommodifing rented accommodation: https://www.gq.com.au/lifestyle/art-design/kanye-west-gives-a-first-look-at-his-affordable-yeezy-shelters/news-story/cececcf549563c68d248faadecdb208e Class first Anylisis: https://atlantablackstar.com/2015/03/03/yet-kanye-west-insists-classicism-not-racism-core-americas-problems/ "Classism is the new racism" "Classism is more urgent than racism"

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>>676105 Even if he had a chance of winning I would never vote for him. You got one good reason why?
>>676736 You know bowing out and admitting what a stupid idea it was to run in the Propertarian Party primary would have been one thing. But endorsing one of them? Got a source on this? I knew Vermin was a performance liberal but that's too much.
>>676105 That's the issue you chose to pose? I'm fucking with Trump on that one. Fucking colleges are taking all international students over citizen students because they pay more tuition, all the while they're getting it both ways, being subsidized heavily by our tax dollars.
>>677040 Well, he congratulated her when she won, he's listed as endorsing her on wikipedia and his running mate was chosen to be hers, so I'm pretty sure of it.
Kanye west is the only great artist of the last 20 years.

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Hungarian Thread for /voros/ refugees Anonymous 11/06/2019 (Wed) 08:21:01 No. 117378 [Reply] [Last]
Második felvonás!
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>>676891 ön tag?
>>676896 Nem, de minden héten elgondolkozom hogy vegyek-e A Szabadságból
>>672084 nevettem irl. kösz
>>677033 Nekem egyszer adtak.
>>677386 >>677033 Én ingyé kapom, tú bí hó neszt. Van egy dohány tüdőrák-bolt a közelemben és ide minden héten hoznak kb. egy tucat Szabaccságot. Megmondtam az egyik pultosnak, hogy én az ingyenes Szübüccsíg újság miatt járok az ő bóttyukba, és azóta félrerakják nekem. Na mindegy. Amúgy érdekes lenne beszélni Thürmer Gyuláról, mint emberről, mint pártvezetőről, de tapasztalatom szerint ez a kibasz. fonál reménytelen. >>677056 Kösz. Ez nagyon sajtos (cheesy) kérdés lesz, de elmondanád, hogy melyik mondatrészleten kezdtél el nevetni? Érted, kb. 20 percet beleöltem ebbe a szarposztba és nyilván én is viccesnek tartottam és azért írtam, ezért csak szeretném tudni, hogy a tisztelt közönségem mikor és hol nevetett rajta...

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