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Thoughts on this comic and Identity Politics? bobby 01/18/2020 (Sat) 13:44:43 No. 218905 [Reply] [Last]
This is an edit of one of spergzys comics. He's a Twitter anarchist who's extremely into idpol. He even got in trouble in his group for having an "albeist" name.
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This isn't actually an edit. It was drawn by a rightwing twitter comic artist named Xtalvorn. He's been trolling Spergzy for a while now.
>>220195 Tankie kun looks comfy and warm now :3
>>219071 This one is so bad it loops around to being good again. That aside tankie the tankie should be the star of this comic. I want to see them flattening ladas in Hungary
>>218918 on what specific policy do you differ from the left-wing ID-polers? Are you for or against open-borders?

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/crisis/ General Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 07:43:55 No. 8552 [Reply] [Last]
DOW/Market Watch Thread
monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations, etc.
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>>218090 that guy is a joke
There is no contradiction between Marx and MMT. MMT explains currency acceptance and Marx explains currency value. This is the best beginner article on the synthesis: http://heteconomist.com/currency-acceptance-currency-value-and-transcending-capitalism/ Also, this article is good: http://heteconomist.com/currency-value-in-terms-of-socially-necessary-labor/
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Could anybody throw out the capitalist bootlickers and salty commie LARPers? They are adding nothing of meaning to this thread. I'll repeat again for brainlets: Communists. Are. Not. Reverse /biz/ people. We don't become all pink wojaks, because the stock markets are green right now. Quite the contrary, when you consider the reasons, why it's going up right now. We are happy to see that the Mother of all Bubbles is getting even bigger than we hoped it would. It will make our cause just easier to realise, when in finally pops. So please stop coping, because we don't get all salty about "muh stonks 29'00000000". Also, you cannot "retire" with climate change, you idiots! It's socialism or extinction! Ergo if we fail, everybody loses.
>>218170 Bro, you said gay thrice.
>>218723 I am a serious theoryposter ITT but I don't mind the wojakposts, they are funny and probably attract people to read the serious posts.

Where was the problem that people in soviet union were suffering hunger? Anonymous 12/31/2019 (Tue) 21:48:20 No. 192827 [Reply] [Last]
Where was the problem
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>>192827 Why do dumbasses act like the USSR did not exist for 40+ years after Stalin
they were HUNGRY and SUFFERING cuz NO FOOD
>>219618 UPVOTE!!!
>>219826 >told about increased life expectancy and quality of life >still pulls the "die malnourished in a headline" card Epic
>>219874 I think we're just going to have to say it over and over and over again. Being a socialist is fucking tedious is what it is

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Thoughts on the rise in the far right? Anonymous 01/14/2020 (Tue) 22:11:02 No. 213598 [Reply] [Last]
In 2019 it reached its peak in modern times. A lot of young White men who feel isolated and alienated have gone far right. As someone who was once in these circles I understand why that happens. How can we save these young men and bring them over to us?
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>>218953 It doesn't matter anyways. Popularity fades in and fades out like water on the beach. This is no superstition, okay.
>>218940 Once the capitalist system falls from grace is either that or facism.
>>218969 >falls from grace >either that or facism. Play on words. Very funny. Not sure how capitalism will find its downfall. The way leftists idealize it is that it will be a global systematic failure prompting the violent overthrow of the capitalists. But on the other hand, there is the phasing out of capitalism and transitioning, making the former systematic overdrive seem distant. >>218953 >>218967 Adding to this. I'm not sure how to chart popularity in a meaningful way. I don't come here with opinion polls or ask a consensus of people how they feel. Popularity is a very inconsistent base... does it really matter to begin with?
>>218975 Climate change,immigration crisis,imperialism,economic crisis,countries from the third world are gonna get destroyed and millions of people are gonna come to Europe or the United States in large scale to the point that our system would not be able to handle all of that. We either destroy capitalism and replace with socialism or we just kill all the brown people.
>>219374 We'll sooner atomic bomb countries than let capitalism suffer the mildest challenge.

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Your view on accelerationism? Anonymous 01/18/2020 (Sat) 21:59:42 No. 219394 [Reply] [Last]
Was listening to a podcast from two people who claim to be "accelerationists" and they had agreeing views with both the far right and far left. Anyways, their main thesis was that because of the material conditions of today there is no reason for Communists and Fascists to fight each other essentially because none of us will get to power, that liberalism and the system is too much of a behemoth. They argued in the 20s during the Weimar Republic the Communists and National Socialists had no choice to fight each other because they actually had a chance to get to power through vote. They view the fighting from the authoritan right and authoritan left as futile and unnecessary. What do you think about this? Tldr: Material conditions of today are vastly different than the 1920s, electoral politics is impossible, Nazis vs Communists dialectic is stupid and futile nowadays, the only enemy is the system aka liberalism. Things today are vastly more difficult and tricky.
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>>219479 Yes, let's try and overthrow the government with our second amendment rights so they can point the finger at us when they needed to roll in tanks to stop troops from dying. I am half accelerationist In the sense I don't care about the moral problems with hastening the death from contractions. Take Iran for an example if the United States actually attacked them after the base attack and it was war, yes it would be shitty and be probably one of the biggest atrocities in modern times but ultimately it would hasten the contradictions. The United States can't fight a war that brutal without everyone seeing it on social media, getting its Navy destroyed and turning the population even more against it. Noam and Yanis both said if accelerationism worked then why did Hitler come to power in Germany and this is correct we just need to be there to pick up the pieces or we are done for. That's the rule of acceleration.
>>219504 Shut up Trotskyist.
>>219508 Yeah, but can you tell me why I'm wrong ūüėāūüėā?
>>219482 Add some White Juche symbols and its real
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>their main thesis was that because of the material conditions of today there is no reason for Communists and Fascists to fight each other... liberalism and the system is too much of a behemoth. Worst take on accelerationism I've heard so far. The general take-away from accelerationism and its philosophers is that humans have lost their status as the drivers behind history. Instead it is capitalism, specifically techno-capital, that drives history. There's a long anthology of literature that make-up the foundations of accelerationism. From early 19th century literature to Italian Futurism, poststructuralism to postmodernism, cyberpunk to the CCRU, and blogs that cropped up in the mid-late 2010s.

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Hungarian Thread for /voros/ refugees Anonymous 11/06/2019 (Wed) 08:21:01 No. 117378 [Reply] [Last]
M√°sodik felvon√°s!
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>>218603 takarodj m√°r innen te nyomorult
>>212136 > Egyet mondj√°l att√≥l az alkalomlesŇĎ tintak√∂pk√∂dŇĎtŇĎl. DicsŇĎs√©ges nagyurak >>213110 > de a parasztfelszop√≥ burzso√° fr√∂ccs√∂nt√∂tt gecik eztet fejtsed m√°r ki k√©rlek al√°san
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>>219155 > DicsŇĎs√©ges nagyurak pik ril√©tid > a parasztfelszop√≥ burzso√° fr√∂ccs√∂nt√∂tt gecik √Črtsd: Azon √≠r√≥k/k√∂ltŇĎk, akik vagy "dzsentrik" vagy nagym√ļlt√ļ csal√°dok sarjai √ČS a paraszts√°got √ļgy √°ll√≠tott√°k be, mint v√©gtelen√ľl elnyomott √©s piedeszt√°lra emelendŇĎ kv√°zim√°gikus l√©nyek (azaz a term√©szet csod√°i √©s f√∂ldt√ļr√≥ mivoltukban esszenci√°lisan felsŇĎbbrendŇĪ n√©pr√©teg). Azok az √≠r√≥k, akik semmilyen val√≥s egy√©nis√©ggel nem rendelkeztek, csak az akkori norm√°kat majmolva √≠rtak tucatreg√©nyeket. Tudom, tudom, "jajj jajj, cenz√ļra, jajj jajj, az olvas√≥k nem √©rten√©k, jajj jajj, valamibŇĎ meg kŇĎ √©ni erg√≥ √≠rgyunk olyat amit kaj√°l a n√©p". De akkor ennyi erŇĎvel E.L.James-t is tan√≠thatn√°nk nyolcadikosoknak a tan√©v utols√≥ 2 √≥r√°j√°ban.
Még oktatásra visszatérve omegalul hogy olyan szóbeli tétel van a 2020-as töriérettségin, hogy >A közjogi rendszer átalakítása Magyarországon (1989-[b]2011[/b]) Ember, az tegnap volt gyakorlatilag, még kvázi aktuálpolitika.

How do you argue against nationalism? Anonymous 01/18/2020 (Sat) 13:47:21 No. 218906 [Reply] [Last]
What is your main argument against this? Essentially he is saying a change of economics can't solve personal differences, past history, and that more or less the people want ethnic nationalism. How do you respond and why is he wrong?
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>>218906 >>218906 There is no argument in any of those images. It's the standard online rightist tactic of calling random, substanceless brainfart conjecture "absolute historical truth" and acting smug about it until their opponent gives up. It's literally nothing.
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Does ethnicity exist? Yes >Does culture exist? Yes >Does history have an impact on the present social relations? Yes >Are these the main drivers of History and human development? lmao no, ask a starving african man about whether he wants to go to battle for some abstract ideal
You don't need to "solve" personal differences and past history is pretty irrelevant for majority of people's daily lives.
Talked partially about why nationalism (particularly nationalism as your describing it, not the national proletarian culture that comes into existence as a consequence of revolution) fails here >>208405, but >>218927 is close to on point about how the vast majority of ethnic conflicts do emerge from that of the economic.
I have literally no idea what they are talking about

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Audio thread Anonymous 08/28/2019 (Wed) 14:29:26 No. 46642 [Reply] [Last]
Post audio sources
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Michael Parenti: Capitalism vs. Reality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcImfx8tunI
>>218777 Sheila Fitzpatrick is spewing anti communist rhetoric why are you posting this hack
>>218776 pay attention david graeber has weird theory he thinks care-workers and maintenance-workers are a class. he also ignores facts like the proletariat growing faster than service workers. So take this with a grain of salt
>>219051 Fitzpatrick didn't write the book, China Mi√©ville did. The book has been praised from many people due to the storytelling, not the politics of it. I posted it after reading this review: https://www.socialist.net/review-october-the-story-of-the-russian-revolution.htm >In this respect and many others, Mi√©ville's book is a wholly worthy effort that deserves to be on any comrade's reading list in this centenary year of the Russian Revolution. Here's an article from someone who is mad that it is too sympathetic and not outright dogmatic towards communism: https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/china-mievilles-take-on-the-russian-revolution-is-wonderfully-dated/ >I was brought up on similar Marxist histories that were sympathetic to the revolution and took its idealism as a given: the revolutionaries‚Äô hearts were in the right place, even if ‚Äėmistakes‚Äô (a murderous purge or a bread queue) occurred. But ‚ÄĒ with a very few Hobsbawmite or Trotskyite exceptions ‚ÄĒ nothing like Mi√©ville‚Äôs book has appeared from mainstream publishers in English for around 40 years. So it‚Äôs nostalgic to read once again an account that starts from the premise that the revolutions in Russia ‚ÄĒ which irrevocably changed the world ‚ÄĒ were in essence and intent a good thing. >>219056 I personally haven't read the book and only posted it because I know it's a popular book for anarchists. I've heard the history the book gets into is the main takeaway from reading it. I would think his weird theory doesn't negate the history that is brought up though I could be wrong.

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/QTDDTOT/ II Anonymous 12/08/2019 (Sun) 06:08:17 No. 151832 [Reply] [Last]
Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread Thread.
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why even live if the *best* future you could hope for is a 9-5 job
Bump test
Are female incels even a thing? Why don't we ever hear anything about them?
Is social security a Ponzi scheme?
>>219081 A group of people living in the jungle = Ponzi scheme? Adults care for kids and these kids later will take care of the old. That's how it is. The way I understand a Ponzi scheme is that it requires constant growth. Social security works without a growing population. It doesn't work with a rapidly shrinking population, but that doesn't make it fraudulent or corrupt or whatever.

Anonymous 01/10/2020 (Fri) 22:50:07 No. 208010 [Reply] [Last]
>Markets dude >it's the only way >lol free market has never hurt anyone now look at this map from heritage >Bro it's not exploitation its business now just I'm going to steal that Somalian kid's bread >IT'S FREEDOM BRO!!!
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>>208096 You need to set this up in tandem with your planned economy to fill the gaps so that you can then make >>208099 this one emerge out of it
>>208667 C4ss are diet ancaps, change my mind.
>>213764 Watch this debate between a C4ss guy and an ancap https://youtube.com/watch?v=F4bVhiOD8fI
>>208055 >Idk ask an obsolete economist whose ideas single-handedly sunk the Paris commune How 'bout no?
>>208013 >meets any resistance to capitalist exploitation >immediately starts dog-whistling socialism like pottery.

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