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crazy shit its crazy shit Anonymous 07/09/2020 (Thu) 16:19:38 No. 677455 [Reply] [Last]
How the fuck do so many people in burgerland believe retarded conspiracies about qanon and george soros but you cant get anyone to believe reasoned socialist critiques of capitalism? "obviously thats bullshit but this illuminati flat earth conspiracy shit is reasonable" ps this is only the beginnings of the hots takes of this guy hes basically another alex jones
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>>677455 >BTS (big time socialists)
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>>677484 it's not this simple. Cuba is a multiethnic society but it doesn't suffer this problem despite more likely than not suffering from this same "propaganda" until the revolution. the thing that makes America the most exceptional in my opinion is the fact that income inequality reached an all-time low shortly after WWII, and this occured in conjunction with a McCarthyist government that heavily censored any left-wing media. the combination of these two things (the censorship during a majority middle class) is what I think is the winning combination for a strong hegemonic neoliberal ideology. it's not just "propaganda" and "diversity"
>>677490 This isn't idealism, it's an observation of fact. Idpol exists to distract from the class analysis, and it works upsettingly well. To be fair, >>677509 also makes a good point from a class model. >>677509 >it's not just propaganda and diversity No, but these are vital tools that have been successfully weaponized.
>>677490 You know there is more to the world than the workplace and your relation to it, right? Class determines a tendency towards things but it's far from a rigid immutable law that causes information to teleport into your brain otherwise we wouldn't need to educate people at all.
>BTS (Big Time Socialists) BTS but their Endorsing Moon's reelection and a Pan-Korean peace plan

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Universal basic income Anonymous 07/09/2020 (Thu) 17:22:09 No. 677577 [Reply] [Last]
I'm curious to see some of the opinions here on ubi. Who supports and doesn't support it and why? It's a point of contention for me, since it seems pretty obviously to be an appeasement to the proletariat and a way to maintain income for capitalists, but I also support doing what we can to help the working class. It's also hard to get a straight answer on how well it worked in Finland.
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>>678449 That image is fucking brilliant.
>>678476 >>UBI >Heard the Peronistas of Argentinia just went ahead and did it Source?
>>678489 Can't find one since it's just something I heard and don't speak Spanish https://medium.com/@petekennedy/beyond-basic-income-lessons-from-argentina-957663288bb3 I'm assuming they removed the work from their ELR
>>678504 (me) Because Covid19
Milton friedman supported a ubi (what he called a "negative income tax"), but strangely when his policies were put into practice in chile, ubi was absent. Why did pinochet refuse to do ubi?

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Morales shall return, soon. Anonymous 07/07/2020 (Tue) 18:43:41 No. 673107 [Reply] [Last]
Post yfw Morales shall return, and shall throw the catho-fascists into a pit of snakes.
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>>673283 most plausible thing said itt tbqh i hope i'm wrong
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>>675574 Remember when this guy was on dr phil?
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>>678256 guess we shouldn't get too excited
>>678455 People are saying Bozo is lying and suspected Bojo of lying too.

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Political Compass Results Anonymous 07/08/2020 (Wed) 14:53:20 No. 674851 [Reply] [Last]
Here are mine, rate
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>>676962 Unbelievably based.
>>674851 This image is: 1. Bad. Why is Marxist liberal left? 2. Make up your mind faggot.
>>676644 Atomwaffen
>>674851 Fucking cringe
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I just can't decide

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Anonymous 06/28/2020 (Sun) 20:19:56 No. 648938 [Reply] [Last]
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>>658321 Noice.
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>>669567 Thank you Anon! >Not many others do. yeah thats unfortunate, but thats why we need to increase awareness about these other boards
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Mods need to use their powers and move threads into appropriate boards so people get to learn where the fuck certain subjects should go. For example there are a whole lot of threads on /leftypol/ (but also some on other boards) that actually fit the criteria of /ref/. /ref/ is vacant for no real reason and if we got our shit together it could actually act as a hub for language learning.

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informational warfare Anonymous 07/09/2020 (Thu) 23:02:34 No. 678323 [Reply] [Last]
https://www.npr.org/local/309/2020/05/04/849109486/study-finds-more-c-o-v-i-d-19-cases-among-viewers-of-fox-news-host-who-downplayed-pandemic >An April study about the effects of coronavirus media coverage analyzed two popular Fox News cable programs β€” and claims how one host talked about the threat of the coronavirus resulted in greater numbers of COVID-19 cases and deaths. Tell the Americans to stop following anti-COVID-19 precautions using their own domestic disinformation grifters. These Fox News clowns have an audience of about 5 million each on any given broadcast. This is easily within reach of a social network.
Well the good news is some of these shitheads will die.
I hate mass media so much. How do we stop them?
look up the fairness doctrine. it was abolished under the Reagan administration and it was ever since that point that Republicans in this country became increasingly cult-like. obviously being a neoliberal is retarded to any of us in retrospect, but it's something that could still be reasoned in the context of a person's ideology an social environment. American conservatives are a whole different breed entirely. the denial of shit like covid and climate change and how Fox news uses linguistics in order to market inane policies. I'm still in disbelief that something as short-sited as the Reagan administration was able to happen in this country and half the country is part of this state-funded suicide cult that denies reality outright. as far as I've seen Reaganism still eludes any proper Marxist analysis of objective class-interests or false consciousness. it's profoundly contingently anti-humanitarian.

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News 7/9/20 News Anon 3.0 07/09/2020 (Thu) 18:31:57 No. 677739 [Reply] [Last]
Missing Seoul mayor’s body found after massive search The missing mayor of South Korea’s capital, reportedly embroiled in sexual harassment allegations, was found dead early Friday, more than half a day after giving his daughter a will-like message and then leaving home, police said. https://apnews.com/b3d9b24194e7932e9ac3689ac39dd4be Serbian defense minister says protests are β€˜COUP ATTEMPT’, aim to spark CIVIL WAR What started as a demonstration against the government-planned curfew over the coronavirus eventually got out of hand and snowballed into massive riots that saw mostly young people assaulting police squads in Belgrade and other major Serbian cities. https://on.rt.com/alcp Rallies planned around Greece against new protest law Demonstrations are being planned in Athens and around 40 other Greek cities and towns to oppose plans by the center-right government to restrict public protests.Many of the rallies planned for later Thursday have been backed by the Greek Communist Party, while labor unions and Greece’s left-wing main opposition party have also organized rallies. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/rallies-planned-greece-protest-law-71689787 Dawn Butler forced to close constituency office over death threats Ms Butler, who served as shadow women’s secretary in Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow cabinet, said that bricks had been thrown through the window of the office in north London and staff attacked outside. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/dawn-butler-forced-close-constituency-office-over-death-threats Report finds UK enabled β€˜unlawful’ Saudi-led naval blockade of Yemen, as London resumes arms sales to Riyadh

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>>677838 >The Mass Eviction Bill If you are a Canadian musician you might collab with David Rovics to adapt his song about landlords.
32% of U.S. households missed their July housing payments >19% of Americans made no housing payment at all during the first week of the month, and 13% paid only a portion of their rent or mortgage. >About 36% of renters, who are more likely to work in industries devastated by the coronavirus, missed their July housing bill, compared to 30% of homeowners. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/08/32-percent-of-us-households-missed-their-july-housing-payments.html
>>677739 Maoist America?
thanks news anon
>>677804 >Supreme Court Rules Nearly Half of Oklahoma Is Indian Reservation Another blow to class consciousness in the united states. guaranteed gorsuch was told by his porky handlers to take the l to stir up race war.

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Anonymous 07/05/2020 (Sun) 03:06:09 No. 667368 [Reply] [Last]
Should 4chan just embrace its racism? Now I know you're already thinking "don't they do that now?" But the truth is that they still hide behind "irony". Personally I think they should rebrand the site as a stormfront clone and cut the bullshit. Thoughts?
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>>678137 people on /leftypol/ have been saying this in pretty much every thread about 4chan ever since 2016. what you makes you think this time will be different?
>>678186 Have you been on 4chan lately? They are definitely not supporting /pol/ and /pol/shit like they used to. This being said the site won't ever turn to left most probably
>>678154 any examples?
>>678212 They just turned into generic liberals. Just look at UrinatingTree (sports youtuber a real /sp/fag) for example. Used to be into Metokur, now he dunks on anarchokiddies because he can't get his sports.
This has been my thought back since the very day it became acceptable to make a fucking Halo thread unironically on 4/v/. We were so naive back then, we didn't understand the consequences!

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muffinman 07/06/2020 (Mon) 00:18:36 No. 669243 [Reply] [Last]
Hey, so was it moral to execute the Romanovs, I mean they were monarchist shitheads, but I mean, even the kids? I dunno, just figured it would be worth discussing.
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>>673387 I agree, "deserve" is not a question you can afford to ask in war time.
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>>675543 as the douche who made this thread, I approve
>>669243 China did not do this and their revolution was not threatened. Puyi lived out his life as a humble gardener in Beijing's botanical gardens after successful reeducation.
>>678252 The Japanese used Puyi the same way the Whites would have used the Romanov's. The CPC did not execute Puyi because there was no longer a threat of counter-revolution.

Is US based porkieslosing it's propaganda power? Anonymous 07/09/2020 (Thu) 22:42:06 No. 678272 [Reply] [Last]
It seems like using all of the energy in the world to astroturf, 4chan, reddit, twitter has done absolutely nothing at all to change people's perceptions on things. It is actually pretty baffling to me that even most US adults don't care at all about the US banning Tik-Tok.
>tfw Zoomers will restore US relations with the CCP
the US is getting desperate. I'm calling it now the bourgeoisie are already scheming a Reichstag level event to employ in the US which may or may not backfire.
>>678302 Given their recent performance I'm leaning towards backfire. I even suspect corona itself is a totally backfired plan.


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