/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Proletariat without Borders

Mode: Thread

Max message length: 8192


Max file size: 20.00 MB

Max files: 3


(used to delete files and postings)


Remember to follow the rules

/leftypol/ is a non-sectarian board for leftist discussion.

IRC: Rizon.net #bunkerchan

(35.08 KB 593x465 D3OZevzWwAAlLb8.jpg)
Praxis, Praxis, Praxis! Anonymous 01/09/2020 (Thu) 13:39:35 No. 205768 [Reply] [Last]
As a NEET in the UK with no friends or extended family nearby, surrounded by Libs + Conservatives in a previously rural turned commuter town, what might be the best praxis for furthering the cause in my specific case? NOTE: I've been trying to get my head around Mao's 'Mass Line' concept as a means of spreading Socialist ideas along with mutual aid and establishing dual power structures, but i'm still not sure how to apply it practically for myself right now.
20 posts and 1 image omitted.
>>205768 Learn a useful skill, even if you don't want to participate in capitalist society you will need a skill for when the revolution comes. If you are in the UK then it is possible to tick along doing courses at a technical college claiming student benefits and gaining useful skills.
>>205873 >breadtube
>>205791 Damn what you work as?
>>205857 Only thing is there is fuck all to join in the UK besides Acorn
You should get in contact with the Young Communist League of Great Britain. They are quite active and, as far as I know they are quite good. Maybe they can help you more than us could.

(23.67 KB 973x819 china.png)
(936.83 KB 2000x1334 1552407442809.jpg)
/prc/ - People's Republic of China general Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 12:39:50 No. 8925 [Reply] [Last]
A general thread for all China related discussion
495 posts and 123 images omitted.
>>223567 China seems to have been developing productive forces quite well so far, so yeah dengs plan worked.
>>223567 >people might hate him making China more capital focused and pulling away from revolution but did he help improve China by and large? The few Chinese people I've spoken to about this definitely seem to think so.
>>152227 Animals can live a peaceful life and die happily
>>224341 Not if I have anything to say about it, yum, yumyumyum!

Anonymous 01/12/2020 (Sun) 21:11:32 No. 210490 [Reply] [Last]
I have accepted that, even though humanity will succumb to fascism and barbarity before ever thinking about socialism, I'll still be here to document all this terror for the future generations so that they don't repeat our mistake.
22 posts and 1 image omitted.
Research indicates that in times of crisis people become more humane and pro-social. If anything, collapse brings out the best in people. The important thing is that we do as much as we can to spread an economic understanding to that people's good intent will be matched with an ability to accomplish what they will already want - taking care of their neighbors in the face of crisis.
>>210748 Except you're not doing anything more than he is.
>>210776 So what's stopping you from doing any of that?
>>211808 Just avoid all propitiatory data formats if you are archiving data. There is no way to know if the company that supports that format will be around in 50-100 years from now , open formats should be pretty safe. Plain text is ideal for text only documents. But there are options for other types of media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_format
>>211811 Citations?

(605.58 KB 2844x1437 0EEU0pH.jpg)
Muslimgauze Anonymous 01/20/2020 (Mon) 21:06:23 No. 222853 [Reply] [Last]
Anyone here into Muslimgauze? Thoughts on his music and political views? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslimgauze I've heard him described as an "extreme anti-imperialist" but the more I read about him, I'm starting to wonder if he ever had a principled anti-imperialist stance or if he just fetishized arabs and muslims as a kind of noble savage thing. He died more than 20 years ago but it wouldn't surprise me if he would have viewed ISIS as brave holy warriors and resistance fighters or something if he was still alive. He was, as I understand, pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas, pro-PFLP, pro-Hezbollah, pro-Iran, pro-Khomeini, pro-Saddam Hussein, anti-USA and anti-Israel. Leftists are obviously, for example, anti-Israel as well but it doesn't seem like he had anything close to a coherent leftist understanding of imperialism. His politics almost seems like a strawman/caricature someone like Bill Maher or Sam Harris would conjure to smear actual left anti-Zionists and anti-imperialists. The music is almost all instrumental. The political messages are in the track/album titles, album covers and in various interviews. Anyway, some tunes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQOxb6BSLH4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utA7Z6q_dqY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeP2g1Glg6o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVALC_eYocg
6 posts omitted.
this is really good
(233.66 KB 600x600 original.jpg)
>>223203 >>223238 This guy made such an insane amount of music that, despite being dead since 1999, there's still new music being released. There's already been a new Muslimgauze album released in 2020 it seems. I've only listened to a fraction of his discography myself so far. Some more examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfQBGtjjiA0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0mHM2-_b0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWzQNQyVUb0
(109.79 KB 600x597 R-197848-1254097364.jpeg.jpg)
Found an old article about him. Seems to be written by some kind of zionist so perhaps take it with a grain of salt. <Muslimgauze’s music can be described as usually monotonous “ethnic” percussion, interspersed with Middle Eastern sounds and atmospherics, with some excursions into ambient or slightly more dance-floor oriented material. This is however only half of what there is to Muslimgauze: The other prime aspect is the political impetus behind the music, without which, as Jones never tired to continually emphasize, there would be no music. This inspiration is provided by the adulation of Arab political and religious leaders such as Arafat, Khomeini, Gaddafi, Saddam, Abu Nidal etc. as well as organizations such as the PLO, Hamas and Hizbollah. In short, everybody and everything that is waging war against Israel in the region. The records are a platform to propagate this war, and so are his appearances in the media. <[...] But did Jones even have any political views besides his obsession with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and his admiration for Iran in particular and any Arab dictatorship as long as it supported the Palestinians? Hardly any interviewers asked him these question, so it needs to be reconstructed from a few fragments we have. Does it make sense to position him on the far right? <In the Eskhatos interview he is asked: “How do you feel about nationalism in general?” and answers: “It’s pretty important, it’s about where you belong so its very important.” Occasionally a certain anti-communism is seeping through. <In any case, his position is not the one that left-wing anti-zionists are usually taking. Namely they keep emphasizing the supposed difference between anti-zionism and anti-Semitism, as well as their support for the more secular and “left-wing” forces in Palestine and also on the Israeli side. https://datacide-magazine.com/anti-semitism-from-beyond-the-grave-muslimgauze%E2%80%99s-jihad-2/
I doubt he'd be pro-ISIS but I wouldn't be shocked if he would have supported the FSA (although if he was pro-Iran/Hezbollah...). Nonetheless, his music is good and his politics seemed fairly based
>>224344 >ISIS >FSA What's the difference am I right?? You're probably correct though.

(92.54 KB 578x1024 1 de mayo.jpg)
I've encountered some people that keep romanticizing the "industrial worker of the 20th century" and the aesthetics of the past century in general. The thing is, in the West, are these proles the majority? I would like to see some data on the composition of the working class in the West.
28 posts and 5 images omitted.
(85.28 KB 600x438 Bangladesh-01.jpg)
I think you're missing the point of why they are still romanticized, and why the neolib ideal of a "new economy" of "knowledge workers" is reflexively derided as parasitic unsustainable bullshit by most people: Because those industrial jobs still exist, just as vital to our economy and sustenance, but exported as deregulated sweatshops to the 3rd-world. The only solution is to bring those jobs back, and free those people to pursue their own destiny alongside us as equals. >>220689 But they used to be, of course.
Workers don't exist anymore in the West. We only have service jobs.
>>221348 Well good for you for being the one who was different.
>>224090 This is the point, I am not different or special. "White collar workers are all reactionary" is just an inaccurate, unmaterialist statement. They have unions, they strike, they take part in Marxist or anarchist activity. Lenin was a lawyer, Eugene Debs (and Stalin and whoever else) was a newspaper editor and union secretary. Cockshott is a professor. In Australia, the Financial Services Union (bank employees) is really pretty radical, and they pushed for a royal commission into banking that has had real material effects on regulating and restricting our banking industry, and bringing actual criminal charges against banks and bank execs. Revolutionary activity is everywhere when you look for it. "All the workers by hand and by brain" are united in one class with shared interests.
(87.60 KB 540x530 bait for me.jpg)
>>224227 >responding to trolling with sincere effortposts Good stuff anon, but it's a bit wasted.

(28.63 KB 360x499 Stalin_Voot.jpg)
/leftypol/ policy poll Anonymous 01/19/2020 (Sun) 18:58:53 No. 220858 [Reply] [Last]
Here are all of the different strawpolls to determine the boards position on major policy issues, as outlined in this thread >>219167: Preferred organization structure for political movement: https://www.strawpoll.me/19270046 Fate of the state: https://www.strawpoll.me/19270049 Preferred economical structure: https://www.strawpoll.me/19270053 Preferred political system: https://www.strawpoll.me/19270059 Gun rights under socialism: https://www.strawpoll.me/19270061 Military structure: https://www.strawpoll.me/19270066 Preferred foreign stance: https://www.strawpoll.me/19270073 Preferred workplace structure: https://www.strawpoll.me/19270075

Message too long. Click here to view full text.

16 posts and 3 images omitted.
>>221015 Why do you think we should restrict art? It always ends up being counterproductive, squashing the talent that might better our system.
>>223761 shut up solzhenitsyn
>>223764 Read Marx.
>>223761 I imagine "free expression with oversight" is making sure people aren't making shit like "birth of a nation", I wouldn't call that squashing talent, to be honest. It could be abused for sure so it has to be made as transparent to regular people as possible.
dengists btfo

(272.25 KB 1200x1200 latinoamerica.png)
/lat/ - hilo socialista Anonymous 01/12/2020 (Sun) 12:54:57 No. 209538 [Reply] [Last]
Hilo para latinoamericanos y hispanoparlantes para discutir cosas zurdas. Thread for latin americans and spanish speakers to discuss lefty things. ¿cual es la mejor estrategia para crear un estado latinoamericano unido? obviamente solo funcionaria con un federalismo estricto como el de rusia o estados unidos. La union latinoamericana tiene que ser una prioridad a una revolucion socialista, solamente unidos podemos combatir contra el imperialismo. y no solo el yanki sino tambien el chino
76 posts and 8 images omitted.
>>218472 entonces la union no va a tener todo su potencial posible para pedir tibiedades anda a el partido progre de tu region
>>218640 un paso para atras y 2 para adelante?
Os dejo por aquí enlaces a dos periódicos comunistas. Son, respectivamente, el periódico del Partido Comunista de los Trabajadores de España (PCTE) y el periódico del Partido Comunista de México (PCM). Son dos de los partidos mas fuertes del ámbito hispano-americano, y publican de manera regular y con contenido interesante. http://www.nuevo-rumbo.es/ http://elcomunista.nuevaradio.org/
¿Qué está ocurriendo en Bolivia? Una lección para aplicar en España http://www.nuevo-rumbo.es/2019/12/15/que-esta-ocurriendo-en-bolivia-una-leccion-para-aplicar-en-espana/ >El pasado 20 de octubre se celebraron en Bolivia elecciones generales, en las que el partido Movimiento al Socialismo (MAS), encabezado por Evo Morales, obtenía el 47,08% de los votos, seguido por el partido Comunidad Ciudadana, que obtuvo el 36,51%. Ante estos resultados, la derecha y las fuerzas reaccionarias bolivianas llamaron a la movilización para denunciar el fraude electoral, y convocaron protestas en la calle pidiendo una repetición de las elecciones, denuncia apoyada por la Organización de Estados Americanos (OEA, instrumento demostradamente ligado al imperialismo norteamericano) que el 10 de noviembre, emite un informe acusando al gobierno de fraude en el conteo de los votos. >En el mismo tiempo, una espiral de violencia se extiende por el país. El presidente Evo Morales llama a defender el país ante este golpe de Estado, y mientras el ejército y la policía se amotinan contra el gobierno, en el otro lado se acumulan los heridos/as, detenidos/as y asesinados/as. En este contexto de presión el presidente Evo Morales anuncia la convocatoria de unas nuevas elecciones en Bolivia. >Horas después grupos violentos de golpistas atacan a varios dirigentes del MAS, asaltando la casa de Evo Morales, incendiando la casa de un gobernador y vejando públicamente a la alcaldesa de la ciudad de Vinto, que fue arrastrada por la calle, donde la rociaron con pintura y le cortaron el pelo. Evo Morales decide anunciar su dimisión como presidente (junto con la del vicepresidente, presidenta del Senado y presidente de la Cámara de Diputados), así como su salida del país. >En este marco, la derecha boliviana da un paso hacia adelante y proclama a Jeanine Áñez, del partido Movimiento Demócrata Social y segunda vicepresidenta del Senado, como nueva presidenta del país. Áñez es reconocida inmediatamente por países como Estados Unidos, el Brasil de Bolsonaro, o la Colombia de Iván Duque. >Áñez decreta una orden por la que se le exime a las Fuerzas Armadas y a la policía boliviana de responsabilidad penal en la represión contra los manifestantes que protestan contra esta agresión reaccionaria. Así, a día de hoy, entre las filas de las y los luchadores sindicales, indígenas, populares, trabajadores… se cuentan más de una decena de asesinados por fuego militar, muchos más heridos y centenares de personas detenidas y torturadas. A pesar de esta brutal represión, no dudan en resistir, responder y salir a la calle a movilizarse contra el golpe. >Los y las comunistas condenamos enérgicamente este golpe de Estado. Condenamos la violencia, las agresiones y la represión contra el pueblo boliviano organizado que resiste la ofensiva reaccionaria, reconocemos la lucha popular y de resistencia que se está dando en el país, y llamamos a la solidaridad internacional con el Partido Comunista de Bolivia, con las masas trabajadoras, populares e indígenas bolivianas que luchan contra el imperialismo en su país. >Pero, por otro lado, los y las comunistas también debemos llamar la atención sobre lo que está realmente detrás de esta situación. A día de hoy distintas facciones de gobiernos de la burguesía, de corte progresista o reaccionario, chocan por el dominio del poder político del país. Así, el ejemplo particular de Bolivia nos permite ver la cuestión general de cómo el capitalismo puede parecer más “amable” a partir de políticas puntuales que suavicen los efectos de la explotación y generen ilusiones en el pueblo trabajador (como las nacionalizaciones que Evo Morales aprobó en Bolivia). Sin embargo, ningún gobierno que no cuestione las bases en las que radica el modo de producción capitalista será un gobierno que resuelva de una manera definitiva los problemas de las y los trabajadores, por el contrario, serán gestores de esa explotación.

Message too long. Click here to view full text.

(126.08 KB 1750x770 o0om7eanm5c41.jpg)

(245.44 KB 900x600 main_900.jpg)
Anonymous 01/21/2020 (Tue) 14:20:05 No. 223687 [Reply] [Last]
Thoughts on the Bosnian War and the subsequent death of Yugoslavia?
4 posts omitted.
>>223750 Cheers.
>>223750 thank you anon, you made the regional politics a bit easier to understand which is not an easy task anywhere, especially the Balkans
>>223704 Exactly, this is probably the best example of any war in the last 100 years that's just bad guys killing other bad guys.
I'd be interested to know why exactly did/does Market Socialism not work. Was it something specific with the way the Yugoslavian economy worked, or is there something fundamentally wrong with the theory of marketsoc itself?
>>224091 >>224091 >is there something fundamentally wrong with the theory of marketsoc itself Yes. Read Cockshott. The anarchy of liberal market-like system always leads to icreasing inequality, although it does stabilize at a very high level.

Anyone kind of amazed by the potential of the working class? Anonymous 01/20/2020 (Mon) 09:34:41 No. 221594 [Reply] [Last]
The workers have the most potential out of any class in history, while other social systems could merely either assist mankind in its struggle with nature or all mankind to dominate nature (in the grand scheme of things outside of human - human conflicts). Capitalism came and allowed, seemingly domination of the whole world by some humans, by capitalists, but in their rise capitalists created their own destroyer, seemingly the first oppressed class with a potential to destroy the class system itself, the first class in history with the potential to liberate mankind. In the end, the victory of the workers or at least Marx seems inevitable, for long socialists have said capitalism is obviously unstable and will not last forever, now it is clear that capitalism cannot survive the 21st Century, the multi-spectrum crisis of capitalist society is such that the only choices it is faced with are suicide, either finally either delete itself or be destroyed, allowing for the higher social form of socialism to deal with the crises of the future, or to simply trigger the extinction of mankind. Either way capitalism is doomed. Already capitalism is making it so that, economically the only way society will be able to function is socialism, overaccumulation seems poised to cause the largest crisis in history, automation will destroy the law of value, and seemingly even imperialism might be reversed as developed economies find more profitable investments within their domestic sectors specifically due to increasing automation. Either way, it's over.
13 posts and 2 images omitted.
>>223600 >why did he kill himself? Because depression is an illness and has nothing to do with hope, or lack thereof.
>>223264 Thanks for the hope, man
>>223607 there's something very american on how the "vampire left" operates by silencing any opinion that strays from orthodoxy, almost like inverted puritans.
>>223264 Or we turn to a revival of fascism and use WWIII to obliterate productive forces and excess population, then begin accumulation all over again.

(73.01 KB 362x550 media_6956918.jpeg)
Economics Anonymous 01/21/2020 (Tue) 16:43:03 No. 223856 [Reply] [Last]
Thread for economics. Post videos, blog posts, interviews, books, images, etc. A primer on the content would be great instead of just posting links without context. Michael Roberts' blog: https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/ Michael Hudson's blog: https://michael-hudson.com/ Richard Wolff's youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK-6FjMu9OI8i0Fo6bkW0VA Anwar Shaikh's Capitalism lectures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShIg-3NRQj4&list=PLB1uqxcCESK6B1juh_wnKoxftZCcqA1go Paul Cockshott's youtube channel:

Message too long. Click here to view full text.

(24.27 KB 344x344 9781541403901.jpg)
>>223914 this sounds pro-capitalist
>>223917 Stiglitz is a dumb Keynesian, so yes.


no cookies?