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"The USSR isn't/wasn't socialist because it didn't fit my hypothetical imagined society that exists in my head" Anonymous 09/19/2020 (Sat) 21:42:33 No. 883572 [Reply] [Last]
On the one hand we have reality which was the USSR On the other hand we have the perfect ideal utopia that exists in my mind Is it not the essence of anti-materialism to say that reality is wrong for not conforming to the ideas in my head? I understand why anarchists do this, but why do marxists do so as well? Is it not easier to recognize the USSR as a flawed socialism? Based Dickblast got my back
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>>884008 Today I saw "socialism is taking things, the nazis were socialists because they took stuff"
USR was socialism is therefor CCCCCP was socialisms :DD
Too pussy to defend USSR, usually.
>>884051 You need to be retarded to try to separate the destination from the journey, and few people "criticizing" USSR and/or socialism are actually interested in the distinction.

Anonymous 09/18/2020 (Fri) 15:25:10 No. 878890 [Reply] [Last]
Why didn't the Roman Empire industrialize and develop capitalism?
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>>882123 It was part of the thesis that I wrote for my Imperial Roman History class when I was working on my major, but I would not even know where to look without the university's resources anymore. The Wikipedia article on Roman Egypt describes what is essentially capitalist farming in Egypt without any sources, and all the actual books I have on the period are just political crap like Tacitus, Cassius Dio, and Suetonius. Sorry, my google-fu is weak. Now you have me curious. I need to dig a bit.
>>878890 overreliance on slave and a corrupt and decadent upper class who kept partying and didn't gave a fuck even when barbarians were plundering Rome to the point where barbarian Romeaboos had more interest in Rome's well-being than the former ruling class itself.
>>882663 You don't give classical thinkers enough credit. The ones who did actual study of the physical world, as opposed to the platonic idealists, came up some futuristic stuff, most of which (eg. the entire collection of works by Epicurus) managed to not survive for some reason. Hmm... The more important question is, "What would Classical Romans have hooked a steam engine to?" There was nothing like the medieval Dutch wool industry in Classical Rome, no significant landless proletariat to exploit.
>>882811 There was quite literally waged labor in Rome and the term proletariat is Roman in origin The classical thinkers were smart, but they simply did not have the requisite knowledge
>>882070 >Caesar actually planned to carry out many reforms which would've benefitted the people before Roman elites killed him. Interesting, what kind of reforms?

/geopolitics/ General Anonymous 09/08/2020 (Tue) 11:57:20 No. 850403 [Reply] [Last]
Let us talk and share information about geopolitics. I'll start with introducing to you Prof. John Mearsheimer, he is a neorealist and his lectures are great. >John J. Mearsheimer, “The Roots of Liberal Hegemony” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSj__Vo1pOU >China-U.S. Competition: Inevitable or Manageable? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M37Wxt5yLUI
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Suriyakmaps/status/1306661498190692352 Ansarullah stays winning, Saudi stay seěthing!
https://mobile.twitter.com/colonelhomsi/status/1307044346164924417 Gheddafi Jr moved from Libya to Russia. Is something moving there?
>>882409 Bro imagine if we get a Libya happening now
>>883816 I would fancy one. This year has been utter shit. Yemen war seems the only good news atm.
>>884047 Did you forget the burger mercenaries getting btfo'd in Venezuela?

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Technological stagnation Anonymous 08/19/2020 (Wed) 04:25:52 No. 785279 [Reply] [Last]
We currently live in a era of technological stagnation, at least compared the rate of technical progression from a few decades ago. Can somebody explain why this is ?
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>>787671 here's zizek talking about your pic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql80Klk4pSU
>>883349 No wonder labour productivity is not increasing.
>>882605 The difference between DEADLY TOUCH TARANTULA SPIDERS and your ONLY HOPE FOR A FUTURE, the one and only prophet, Francis E. Dec pls donate your typewriters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4mb6gzu60U
>>883932 >the computer god is communist Based computer comrade.
>>883353 >Ideology <unconscious bias?

KIM IL SUNG and SOEKARNO who am i 09/19/2020 (Sat) 06:22:37 No. 881916 [Reply] [Last]
Soekarno visit to North Korea
Based
they are actually good friend and also with che guvara
>>881927 Yeah, as a matter of fact iirc Che wished to base Cuban society around the Juche model

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RUSSIAN THREAD Anonymous 06/29/2020 (Mon) 20:34:52 No. 652142 [Reply] [Last]
Не нашёл - создал! Ну что там по поправкам: кто за бойкот и кто против? Каналы: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYDuWqDwzAFG4xrI5uJEWfw - РабКор - канал главного марксиста всея Руси Бориса «Каги» Кагарлицкого. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDqwBnBsFWxFj0ABSbE2Kvw - Николай Платошкин - самый энергичный и брутальный персонаж левой политической сцены в России. Сторонник активных избирательных компаний и узник совести. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2qoLqo8RuV4P_88yhHCZIg - Константин Сёмин - журналист, очень сильно разочаровавшийся в Путине и его режиме. Теперь он коммунист, вскрывающий и освещающий проблемы современной капиталистической России. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4Cap1xVy2waDXfzM5ka6lg - Простые числа - канал Олега Комолова, где он популярно освещает вопросы экономики. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnqDsesb_BvX7kQZto7vTBw - New Deal- канал популяризатора полиэтокономии и ММТ Даниила Григорьева. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3VDbjQ1hnY4zSRHgAfAK-A - Плохой Сигнал он же Tubus Show он же Егор Иванов- историк-любитель, скрупулёзно и достоверно разбирающий антисоветскую пропаганду. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ_LYRUJzBfh-mvU14xCNMw - Вестник Бури - канал интернет журнала. Лицо канала и журнала- Андрей Рудой, учитель, профсоюзный деятель, агитатор и пропагандист. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf8mmFOzEIIHiJhaTpamZYA - Вестник Бури Originals - Даниил Тишкун, контент тот же - по простому о марксизме и коммунизме, роликов поменьше. Объединяет их с Андреем работа на онлайн журнал с общим названием.
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>>878638 >https://izborsk-club.ru/ What's the problem here again?
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Левое движение России в становлении. Общество до сих пор находится в апатии, индифферентно относится к политике, но число интересующихся идеологиями левого политического спектра растёт. Отдельно вспыхивают протесты, народ крайне раздражён пенсионной реформой, ковидным карантином и скачками курса рубля. Общество тлеет, а вот левые всё в том же болоте, что и год, и два назад. Гоблин как обычно ведёт разведопросы, Кага проводит стримы с дочкой, Садонин клепает научпоп, Сёмин шлёпает агитпропы как горячие пирожки. Вырваться из Ютуб-западни удалось только Платошкину, чтобы затем попасть в западню другого плана. Итак, вот наши основные положения: # Кружки не нужны. Сегодня не конец XIX века и не начало ХХ, социалистическая литература не запрещена, а жандармы не избивают рабочих и не ссылают социалистов в Сибирь. Интернет завален книгами, хочешь образовываться - качай литературу и читай. Хочешь действовать - сразу вступай в партию, которой нет, так что мути свою, лол. # Левые в России представляют собой пёструю, но на самом деле несложную мешанину. Вот они: 1) Сталинисты: танкиз, порномарксисты, красконы, политштурмовцы - это всё они. Вовсе не обязательно за крепкую руку и вождизм, просто положительно относятся к Сталину - это очень важно. Вообще, это уникальная особенность российской политики - плевать что ты говоришь о нынешнем моменте, главное как ты интерпретируешь прошлое. В целом для сталинистов характерны конкретные разговоры об экономике и истории, это первичные, ключевые для них моменты. 2) Левые западного типа: троцкисты, неомарксисты, фрейдомарксисты, демсоцы, люксембургианцы - за равенство здесь и сейчас. Левее сталинистов, но, как правило, выступают за заимствования всяческих ноу-хау у капиталистов. Делают упор на личности, не могут жертвовать индивидом для пользы общества в отличие от сталинистов. Уничтожат мир из-за слезинки ребёнка. Имеют обострённое чувство справедливости. 3) Леволибералы, СЖВ, Зелёные, Соцдемы - из-за глобализации в Россию местами проникает западный политический дискурс, где левыми радикалами считаются эти в целом безобидные у нас товарищи. Представляют собой довольно большую массу жителей городов, потенциально способны мутировать в левого первого или второго типа. 4) Анархисты - рассеяны, сидят тихо после недавних событий. Но наверняка развернутся на полную катушку, как только режим падёт, ибо русский народ богат на буйные головы и всегда сочуствовал парням вроде Разина и Пугачёва. Будем посмотреть. # Экономика: должна быть левой. Это признают все, даже Навальный незадолго до отравления начал перенимать левый популизм провалившегося Сандерса. Но в какой степени левой должна быть экономика? Просто некие социальные гарантии или полная социализация? А что же БОД? Вводить или нет, не угробит ли он экономику? Есть несколько вариантов: 1)ММТ (Моdern Monetary Theory) - новая теория(на самом деле ей уже лет 20) от английского профессора экономики. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcNfElL0-Ho[РАСКРЫТЬ] Представляет собой по сути тот же социальный капитализм, сильно зарегулированный и с проциклической монетарной и фискальной политикой. 2)Новая теория израильских экономистов Нитцана и Бихлера. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsUS3ynhAKY[РАСКРЫТЬ] Их программа: Заставить банки списать уже существующие перед ними долги. Отменить процентную ставку. Которая и толкает всю логику накопления и перепроизводства. Запилить кредитование по принципу исламских банков - когда банк не требует с тебя в определённый срок определённой суммы, а забирает процент с твоей прибыли - т.е. является скорее твоим со-партнёром, терпящим неудачи вместо с тобой, а не жадным пидорасом, желающим погасить твои невыплаты твоим имуществом или почками. Ввести demurrage currency. Ввести БОД. 3) Есть ещё один путь - Госплан, Киберсин и прочие проекты на блокчейне и нейросетях. Но твёрдой теории под ними пока нет.

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whats worse, this or the china thread?
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>>883477 Well perhaps the problem is that it's a class cucking imperialistic organization and it says so about itself in plain text? What's the deal a gommie could have with Duginite schizos? >>883580 Your point?
>>883540 >Николай Платошкин - самый энергичный и брутальный персонаж левой политической сцены Хуйца сосни, охранитель. Откуда вы, уроды, лезете?

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Technological Progress Anonymous 09/18/2020 (Fri) 20:38:38 No. 879797 [Reply] [Last]
Is the pace accelerating or decelerating? are we stagnating as a planet or not? What's capitalisms effect on technological and scientific progress compared to socialism/communism?
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We have a lot of technological progress right now in biotech.
>>883975 >We have a lot of technological progress right now in biotech. do tell about it
>>883975 explain, is it due to covid?
>>883980 Biocomputers (lots of different proof of concepts right now), muh CRISPER/CAS9, next gen antibiotics and phage therapies in human trails, cellular agriculture in early phases (think cultured meat and milk from yeast), lots of research in xenotransplants (just look at the progress the proinvesa group has made), human microbiome project completed, human proteome project in progress, ect
>>884016 No it's because there is a lot of pressure to develop green tech and porky wants to live forever.

Anonymous 09/18/2020 (Fri) 07:41:55 No. 878202 [Reply] [Last]
Might as well start a thread about this. I just ran through a pdf search on all of Marx and Engels' works for "own the means" and it came out (shockingly, if you are an RDW fag), that neither of them advocated for such a thing. Literally one result, lol. Spoopy. Kinda makes you think about Proudhonist/RDW-tier "workers own the MoP" vs. Marxist "socialization of production." It's almost as if 90% of the so called "radical left" today was merely a LARPING faggot, or something. It's almost as if Marx was a statist, or something as well.
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>>878202 Based The State is good actually Fuck anarkkkiddies/syndicucks/marksuccs
>>878942 Now I wonder why anarkids don't understand why MLs kill them. Hey, make an argument any time.
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Tough to swallow Redpill: Co-ops are shit but so are worker unions. They have been fully integrated in the bourgeoise structure
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>>882896 Even tougher to swallow redpill: if you are an american leftist, you are going to have to suffer through the government collapsing and even help it collapse if you want anybody on earth to live under socialism at some point in the future
>>882900 >americans >doing anything ever lulz

Libertarians: Misguided or Malicious? Anonymous 09/19/2020 (Sat) 01:04:06 No. 880872 [Reply] [Last]
A pretty lefty friend of mine is adamant that the left could collaborate with libertarians. His logic: they're anti-war, a lot of them are anti-Wall Street/anti-bank, and could be persuaded to adopt left-leaning stances (i.e. universal healthcare). He also says Assange considering himself a libertarian is proof that we can collaborate with them. This got me thinking: what's the deal with libertarians? Could they be allies? Do they make some good points? Are they angry at the right things but wrong about the causes? Are they retards who aren't worth engaging, or maybe even worth opposing? Thoughts?
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>>881525 The lolbert fedora lords you imagine got replaced, they're now just an offshoot of the average rightoid that likes to virtue signal about economics and wear a don't tread on me flair.
>>881476 https://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2010/11/29/an-interview-with-wikileaks-julian-assange/#53e975a72c27 >WikiLeaks is designed to make capitalism more free and ethical. <Would you call yourself a free market proponent? >Absolutely. this interview is from 2010, so if he changed his views let me know
>>881525 he's a lib but didn't sam seder he try to win some libertarian primary?
>>882512 Yeah lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4b9G9WVh9k I know he's a lib but I love watching him shit on libertarians
Whether they're just a retard or a genuinely terrible person varies from libertarian to libertarian, but it's also irrelevant. Their actions bring harm to humanity, so they must be culled.

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Esoteric Hitlerism General: Satanic Nazis Sage#+GbZOp 07/19/2020 (Sun) 01:37:06 No. 702127 [Reply] [Last]
This is all the evidence we put together in the last thread, in order, for any newcomers. I'm gonna add in a few bits for context as well and lines of enquiry without sources that we might want to pursue Evidence: >leader of neo nazi group "the base" a fed https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/23/revealed-the-true-identity-of-the-leader-of-americas-neo-nazi-terror-group >various themes involving the alt right, their connections to the intelligence services, and the esoteric hitlerist connections in both, alongside pedophile connections https://medium.com/@MKultrawoke/the-truth-about-the-alt-right-a-destruction-by-facts-and-logic-e3d07f27e8cb?source=your_stories_page--------------------------- > a video describing the Order of the Nine Angles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIkYhf3toG8 >videos of 09A ritual stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jKpikOvzNk&list=PL92ghcVduUkM-V3H2g439J39OmN6C3nxW&index=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VEyIuuH-qU&list=PL92ghcVduUkM-V3H2g439J39OmN6C3nxW&index=13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F15opwqezJc >AWD Pedo Cop with probable links to esoteric groups https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/05/met-police-officer-arrested-suspected-of-belonging-to-group-linked-to-terrorism >National Socialist Underground

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>>883841 lmao what it's all just a LARP. you should be afraid of the fact that people like fall through the cracks of our healthcare system all the time.
>>883841 To be fair, it is pretty spooky shit
>>883852 i've not looked at the actual channel, some of the other videos are a little unsettling. Like the video of the guy cutting himself, or the one of the guy creeping through dark woods grunting. its not like I couldn't watch it if i wanted to, just not very zen right now
>>883903 There's nothing graphic or even extremely disturbing on Neutegem's channel, but it's still very odd
>>883903 > Like the video of the guy cutting himself, or the one of the guy creeping through dark woods grunting. Wat?

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