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The beginnings of our new leftypol project Anonymous Board volunteer 05/27/2020 (Wed) 23:20:07 No. 535800 [Reply] [Last]
Hello everyone, we have received the results of our project proposal topic, and I'm delighted to announce that we are teaming up with 'leftypedia' to deliver our planned 'argument/talking point resource' idea. In case you don't know, leftypedia is the current version of the old abandoned 'marxistpedia' which was a project started by leftypol users back in the day, so I think this is sort of like a homecoming in a way. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Anyway, if you have a look at the leftypedia site you might be able to tell that they have a much more formal and 'encyclopedic' tone than what we're planning, just like wikipedia, but the admin is going to create a separate 'category' for our new content that will be called something like 'rhetoric: topic' rather than just 'topic', this will also feature on the frontpage much like the encyclopedic content. As a tenplate, I'd like you to feast your eyes on these pages which someone on leftypedia already made (albeit only on their personal userspace for now). https://leftypedia.org/wiki/User:Anarcho-Bolshevik/compendium I'd like to ask if anyone can come up with a slightly more catchy name for our new section than 'rhetoric', cause that sounds a bit cumbersome to me even though I came up with it, so yeah, open to suggestions. So, since that isn't implemented yet, I'd like you all to try familiarise yourselves with the site for now, maybe take a look at the articles that are already there and improve some of them if you feel able. Unfortunately the site currently has only edit by approval so you will have to wait for any changes you make to be approved, this is because of a persistent spambot problem and I hope that we will be able to work out something to change this to normal editing as on wikipedia and the like, please just bear with it for now. If you have an answer to a 'common question', or you have an effortpost you'd like to archive and save, then please post it in this topic for now so that we can work on it together until we can figure out how to categorise our new section of the site. Thanks for your attention! EDIT: I've now got admin permissions on leftypedia, so I can create pages and approve edits directly. If you want to use the site I recommend you create a user account, which I can then approve once you make a productive edit (to distinguish from spambots), then you won't have to wait for approval anymore and can create articles yourself. Or, just ask me and I can create an article for you if you're desperate to make one as your first edit. Thanks guys, I hope we can make this project cool together!

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>>684063 Would it be even easier if I email the NSA a video of me doing it?
>>682419 I've thought this is annoying too. It'd be one thing if it only happened at account registration, but even for people with trusted accounts it seems unnecessary to have to do this captcha every time we make an edit that contains a link. Honestly it just makes me want to format the links I add in a way that the wiki won't recognize and then ask someone to clean up after instead.
>>684071 >implying they can't just track you anyway.
>>535800 just tried to create a page for the democrats sorry for its oversimplification
Check this out: Cuban Wikipedia. Pretty neat to see (use google translate or whatever) https://www.ecured.cu/

Native tribal leaders are calling for the removal of Mount Rushmore Anonymous 07/03/2020 (Fri) 18:29:25 No. 664239 [Reply] [Last]
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/cheyenne-river-sioux-tribe-mount-rushmore-trnd/index.html >The chairman of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe is calling for the removal of the Mount Rushmore National Memorial, arguing that it is carved in an area that is considered sacred land to Natives. >"Nothing stands as a greater reminder to the Great Sioux Nation of a country that cannot keep a promise of treaty then the faces carved into our sacred land on what the United States calls Mount Rushmore," said Harold Frazier, chairman of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe in South Dakota, where the memorial is located. is this removing of statues and memorials a good thing or just radlib and ethnonationalist pseudo activism?
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>>667061 >it's not as if Britain was going to honour these agreements in the long term. This is just an assumption. The British government did not want to expand west because they didn't want another repeat of Pontiac's war and because they did not want overextend themselves. If anyone was going to break the agreements it would be the colonists, which is exactly what happened in the US war of independence
>>667229 Also in regards to imperialism being an outgrowth of capitalism, this is obviously true, but in Britain's specific case they would have focused on expansion somewhere else with the proclamation line in place instead of doing a British manifest destiny
>>667229 >This is just an assumption. No it isn’t. Remember that Britain retained control of a bigger chunk of North America than the US did. Actually read up on Canada’s own history of westward expansion, displacement and genocide of natives, etc. The subordination of the entire world to capitalism was inevitable.
even in a non-political secular sense, rushmore is a crime against natural beauty. on top of that its invoking the wrath of angry spirits because its built on black hills, perpetually given to the sioux in treaty then illegally (supreme court ruled) stolen to rape gold from the earth. there is no good reason to defend it
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>>664648 As usual, the Anglo proves to be the threat to human existance

Anonymous 07/02/2020 (Thu) 10:35:03 No. 660833 [Reply] [Last]
Stalin: >ruled for 25 years over a territory of 22,402,200 km2 >population under his rule: 150million in 1927 - 196million before WW2 >average population number under his rule: 173 000 000 >3.3 million excess deaths under his rule (executions, gulags, etc. not counting the holo and the domor) >math: 173,000,000 / 3,300,000 = 52.42 Every 52th citizen died under Stalin. >Time And Territory Adjusted Excess Deaths (TATAED - a term I just made up, measured in metric units of "horror") >math: (every citizen dieded + time) * horror constant [100,000] / territory = (25+52) * 100,000 / 22,402,200 = 0.3437 TATAED: 0.34 horror, or 34 centihorror Anarchist Catalonia: >(un)ruled for 3 whole years over a territory of 32,108 km2 >average population under their (un)rule: 2.8million >excess deaths (executions, gulags, etc.) between 38000 and 72344, average: 55000 >math: 2,800,000 / 55,000 = 50.9 Every 51th citizen died under anarchism.

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>>670540 where are your numbers? here's the math: >>661098
>>669741 big ass cope
>>673358 Did they hit them, or did the Patriots fail again?
Ferdinand Lassalle: >is leaving at the end of this week >happily lost another 5000 talers in an ill-judged speculation >1 Vereinsthaler = 16 2/3 grams of silver >Price of silver = 0.6 dollars per gram 16 2/3 * 0.6 * 5000 = 50000 The jüdische neger Lassalle, who would sooner throw money down the drain than lend it to a ‘friend’ lost 50K dollars in an ill-judged speculation
>>682040 A new jewish niggger joke, quaint

Anonymous 07/11/2020 (Sat) 19:13:04 No. 682980 [Reply] [Last]
what's leftypol ideology, and what ideology do you dislike the most?
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>>683752 >my ideology: a mess You are not alone! This is the official /leftypol/-ideology
National Trotskyism Hoxhaism
>>683622 Don't make me renounce democracy on your ass you bitch.
>>683769 noun: authoritarianism The enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
>>682980 Most to least preferable society in my opinion. Higher stage Communism > lower stage communism > socialism > SocDem(non imperialist) > bourgeois democracy > fascism/monarchism.

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Anonymous 07/10/2020 (Fri) 18:41:13 No. 680182 [Reply] [Last]
reddit banned moretankiechapo
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what the fuck is this thread
>>683373 reddit
>>681784 >Its not like socdems are busy improving human life satisfaction but whatevs >succdems improve anything pure cope.
>>683041 >ugh it's impossible to reach an age higher than 25 years human life expectancy didn't change over the years, just our diet, ability to fight disease, security, etc.
>>683066 >He didn't said, that after capitalism, socialism will come and in the end communism? No, Marx totally didn't do that. He didn't, that was Plekhanov. Marx said a new society bears the marks of the old, he never said socialism has to follow capitalism as if it were destiny, humans can fuck up too.

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Anonymous 07/11/2020 (Sat) 07:38:16 No. 681894 [Reply] [Last]
What does Zizek mean by don't act just think? Its his job to think. Its the same with Chomsky. He made a whole documentary criticizing american economic policy and ended it with we should seek to dismantle unjustified power structures. How is that helpful? I have more respect for Cockshott than I do to this tool, atleast he proposes something.
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In order to act with purpose and freedom you have to think first. If you don't want to bother with Zizek read the source (Hegel).
>>682238 Based, farc is peak action without any vision at all, they have a whole military strategy about taking villages and surrounding capitals and shit, but ask anyone what they plan to do with power, they just don't know, not even they know, in the 80s it used to be "basically be like cuba" which it was reflected in their few attempts at electoral politics, but given their current position most likely that's not even right anymore
>>682388 That was Marx's principle gripe with regard to philosophy.
>>682238 Doubt
>>681894 haven’t seen the video but i was reading the opening to On Violence earlier. zizek tells a joke about lenin, when asked if he would prefer a wife or mistress, said he’d prefer both so he could tell each he was with the other when in reality he was learning. in this sense, don’t act just think could be seen as a call to learn and study right now instead of trying to make revolution happen immediately. but with zizek who knows he’ll probably contradict himself next week and say that the most important thing for a marxist is to act without thought.

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OPERATION PINKER STINKER 06/26/2020 (Fri) 01:03:44 No. 642335 [Reply] [Last]
ITT: We organize an event to try to get Steven Pinker banned from twitter by mass reports. There are two fronts in this battle, one is the leftists, who should hate Pinker on principle. The other side is the right wingers, who should hate him for being a pedo apologist and a friend of Bill Gates. The attachment is the prototype of the right wing side propaganda. The event is scheduled July 2, 2020. That is a week from now. Steven Pinker is one of Bill Gates best friends. With this vaccine shit, Bill Gates is on the right wing's radar. Recently, "Filthy Rich" came out on Netflix, meaning that normies are now well aware of Eptstein's crimes. Recently the Milwaukee police were caught red-handed in a pedophile ring. So that too is on everyone's mind. Now hear me out. With our collective autism and our influence outside bunkerchan, we can make this into a real thing. Remember that we do have influence, and that "epstein didn't kill himself" was a super huge meme on both sides of the political spectrum. OPERATION: PINKER STINKER Formerly, Operation Porky Sweat We make a huge coordinated effort to cancel Steven Pinker on twitter. Here's the plan: 1. Set a date. 2. Contact every single leftist org, tell them to help out in cancelling Steven Pinker. If they are a good leftist org, they will know him and hate his guts. Otherwise, explain that he's an important neoliberal apologist and defended Epstein in court.

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>>683683 >INCEL ANTI-WOMAN CONSPIRACY You have never been or r/incel have you? Look up any video reading their pages and it is sheer cringe. >Racist dogwhistle The fuck are you on about. Honestly your entire 'reply' seems to be inane rubbish.
>>683589 So you think Pinker is a lackey for the middle class, do you know how retarded that sounds? > Not wanting to cancel Pinker for fun, or even as activism (since it's something absolutely doable), is supporting Pinker at this point. You want to cancel him because he said something against (((BLM))), to intimidate other professors and discourage them from saying things like that. I don't remember (((leftypol))) caring about (((Epstein))) before Trump had the case reopened.
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>>683683 Idpol doesn't exist, moron
>>684333 >le middle class Holy fuck you are a genuine troll
>>684357 thats very jewish of you, to pick a minor aside and ignore the point I was making

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How to Twitter Anonymous 07/10/2020 (Fri) 14:33:12 No. 679669 [Reply] [Last]
Which twitter handles are good for lefties to be following? Which big twitter accounts are sympathetic to extreme lefty stuff and/or are fairly responsive to followers? Thank You Please also general thread for improving /leftypol/ broader online reach Whose got sockpuppets? We can all follow each other etc
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@getfiscal
>>682448 My friends are poorer than me. And I have only 2. Social media is useful tool to keep for all comrades absolutely if we learn to utilize it properly without giving the app what it wants. Don't go full redditard.
>>679669 @outsideness for your daily dose of fried boomer brain.
>>682442 Yeah that is indeed true. Few people from here were stuck in foreign country(Iran maybe). The consulate they contacted didn't respond to their pleas, but when they twitted out and tagged the concerned minister they got reply on twitter.

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How were the 1980s compared to the 2020s? Anonymous 07/10/2020 (Fri) 23:15:33 No. 680982 [Reply] [Last]
Were they better? I really can't imagine the 80s being any worse. Honestly I can't imagine most years after 1945 being much worse. Was listening to 80s music when I considered this Were the 2010s-2020 just the 80s' shittiness on steroids?
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>>680997 >Neoliberalism Not in Japan (which was the second largest economy). Neoliberalism was just starting in the West, sure. But it was early stage, localised, and kept in check by the continuing existence of communism. >eventual death of the Warsaw Pact The death of the warsaw pact happened in the 1990s. Blaming the 1980s when Japan was booming, the USSR was still alive and well, and the West wasn't that bad yet for what might happen later on is ridiculous. Why don't you talk about all the bad shit that happened in the 1970s and how they led to everything that happened in the 1980s? Anyone can play at that game.
>>682091 If history was moving so rapidly, we'd see more than some funny lines and another SARS epidemic.
>>682187 why did u kill me????
The 80s would have been better if this guy succeeded
>>682084 >Someone in the 80s would be like, "sure, radical socialism is one of the ways that society can be structured, why not". Some random low-information person in the 80s would see different countries on a map, see some of them are Capitalist and some as Communist, and nonchalantly conclude the populace in those countries chose whatever system fit them best, like choosing a flavor of ice cream. That's completely unthinkable to me. Having read plenty of books and articles from the 1980s, that isn't the impression I get. The way "mainstream" people in West saw things was basically as follows: 1. There was the "Soviet bloc," consisting of the USSR, the Warsaw Pact, and countries like Cuba, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and perhaps a few other (like Angola and the DPRK.) All these countries were depicted as totally dependent on the willingness of the Soviets to bail them out economically and send them arms (or impose arms onto them) in times of crisis. If the USSR ceased to exist, Fidel Castro would be doomed. 2. Nicaragua was portrayed by conservatives as a hardline Marxist-Leninist regime seeking to transform that country into another Cuba, whereas liberals and social-democrats were more willing to portray it as an experiment in democratic socialism with the Sandinistas pursuing a non-aligned foreign policy. 3. "Soviet Communism" was seen as discredited in the first world, with hitherto strong communist parties in Italy, France, and Spain weakening amid internal dissensions and voters increasingly migrating to other parties. But this same "Soviet Communism" was still considered to be potent in the third world, with the Soviets "cynically" taking advantage of Apartheid, repressive military regimes in South America, etc. to bamboozle impoverished people and students with no good career prospects in their own countries. 4. If you were a leftist, there was a high likelihood of admiring what was going on in Nicaragua (similar to how many leftists admired Venezuela under Chávez.) There was also a Bernie Sanders equivalent in the 1984 and 1988 elections named Jesse Jackson, who got tons of ostensibly leftist groups (from Maoists to outright soc-dems) to work for his campaigns as either providing "an opening to the left" or as being able to "move the Democrats left."

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Sino-Soviet Split Anonymous 07/12/2020 (Sun) 01:03:19 No. 683928 [Reply] [Last]
Why did it happen?
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>>684128 Then why did Mao sperg out over a very definite error Krushchev made in a Dialectical Materialist analysis of the strategic situation and call Kruschev a Hitlerite instead of just sucking up to Kruschev for teh sweet sweet soviet gibs?
>>684135 I mean, it still is. Frozen pizzas you find in the grocery store are some of the cheapest ready-made meals you can buy.
>>684173 Just ad hominems over the fact that it thought it was a junior partner of the USSR.
>>683928 Why you faggots make this thread like every week? We get it, Mao bad. No need to reiterate it ad infinitum.
>>684264 Incorrect Kruschev's insistance nuclear weapons had resolved the contradiction between the communist bloc and the capitalist bloc was clearly false as demonstrated by what the USA did to the population of the former USSR in the 1990's

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