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/leftypol/ is a non-sectarian board for leftist discussion.

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Anonymous 12/31/2019 (Tue) 17:35:12 No. 192598 [Reply] [Last]
happy new years fagolas. make a wish for what you want to see on /leftypol/ in the new year
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>>193120 >https://leia.5ch.net/poverty/ >left-wing Japanese board This is great news!
>>193089 It does but they get drowned out by libs and alt-right cargo cultists. /ussr/ was created to facilitate leftist discussion without retarded children, but it's not been very active
>>192598 someone here to take down /pol/ entirely
>>193145 Its so fucking sad that we saw such a massive decline in culture on 4chan. Like god damn there is a huge difference between the two it is tragedy. There is nothing creative anymore its just fucking pepe and wojack edits.
>>193145 No shit. Go to /v/ right now and you will see how 99% of the threads are advertisements. It feels like no one actually post in there but shills.

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How to covert right wingers to Marxism Anonymous 01/05/2020 (Sun) 22:28:39 No. 199451 [Reply] [Last]
How to convert former fringe right wingers to Marxism 101: Profit gives people that are not part of the political state an insane amount of power to follow their own interests. --> Because they got money from non politics related ways, these interests are bad for the nation. Can these capitalists in theory also do good things with this money? Yes. But very likely they wont so why instead of gambling, just remove that option. If these "good" capitalists are, by chance, nationalists, they will voluntarily surrender their private property to the nation. If not, then they dont have the best interests for the nation in mind. In Marxist terms, personal property is stuff you use yourself for your own personal wants and needs. Private property is property that you own in order to extract value from other laborers so like a capitalist owning the means of production. Unfortunately this causes too much power in a small amount of people and you get the situation which is today
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>>199451 You don't. A sensible goal is to move everyone one step to the left while blocking, isolating our enemies. Make the passive opposition neutral, make neutrals passive supporters, activate passive supporters, and radicalize the actives. I'm afraid I do not have the pic with this idea drawn on it. I'd appreciate it greatly if someone could post it. As I see it, there is little point in attempting to convert the other extreme, their radicalism is entrenched and they surely will not listen to their perceived enemies. One might theoretically trick them to ask the right questions from themselves. After all, we all love to hear our own thoughts on matters. But, such efforts are relatively costly when compared to the masses of more willing audience one could convince. >>199465 The danger is in them potentially becoming """anti-capitalists""" like the nazis of old. I've started to see the appropriation of left-wing talking points by fascists recently, which has raised my concern. A shift from "we'll protect freedom and capitalism from those commies" to "we'll protect your community from (((capitalism))) and (((communism)))". Those snakes lie, twist, bend, and pervert anything and everything if it happens to be popular and convenient to them.
>>199456 Yeah don't call it private property. Call it corporate property or something.
>>199472 hey, nice to see my work being spread
>>199741 this. no matter how hard we try, those /pol/tards don't get that personal property isn't private property.
>>199741 >>199456 Maybe don't call it "property" at all. Maybe we should find a better term that encapsulates the idea of absentee ownership and preventing people from working to live unless they let you take what's basically rent out of their earnings.

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Anonymous 01/06/2020 (Mon) 02:20:33 No. 199761 [Reply] [Last]
So, is imperialism still the primary contradiction? Strikes me that one could argue that imperialist actions from Russia, the US and China are proving less antagonistic than the internal contradictions within smaller states. What say you?

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Anonymous 01/05/2020 (Sun) 20:40:46 No. 199317 [Reply] [Last]
Maybe not tomorrow, but in the next 10 years. It's gonna be scary.
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>>199317 Think about just how much the world changed between 2010 and 2019. Indeed, it will be terrifying.
>>>>199319 Thanks.
>>199317 It will. Not atomic explosions scary, but Great Depression, wars, collapse scary.
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>>199319 Lol'd
>>199317 Wow how did you get this future pic of me purging the roaches?

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leftist memes anon 01/05/2020 (Sun) 21:57:00 No. 199411 [Reply] [Last]
actual funny ones,absurdist and esoteric ones
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And some obligatory Sniffman
>>199550 Glad to see that spurdo comic updated for the times
>>199550 >First pic "USSA" Comic meme-song: https://youtu.be/d8MpCIebBVc
Or last one I mean, the updated one with spurdo
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Anonymous 01/05/2020 (Sun) 22:12:00 No. 199427 [Reply] [Last]
How should Marxists view fiat currency, or more specifically, whether or not fiat currency disproves the LTV? during Marx's era, 1 pound = x amount of gold = x amount of commodity A, but now, there's no gold to equate the pound to. What would be a Marxian economic analysis of modern money and how does it relate to the Value of commodities?
>>199427 I don't see how fiat currency would contradict or conflict with ltv, care to elaborate?
Debtor has to pay principal plus interest and lenders are free to liquefy such contract by selling it as bond or part of derivative with relatively low risk/discount as most modern states will provide barrage of legal weapons for debt collectors. To theorylet like me LTV is nothing more than nerdy way of claiming why being bourgeois is rent seeking. In that sense I am not sure what prevents one from reading parallel between debt based economy and wage labour based one.

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/ukrg/ - Ukraine general Anonymous 01/05/2020 (Sun) 17:53:36 No. 199059 [Reply] [Last]
A thread for discussing anything related to Ukraine, everyone is welcome.
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>>199096 Most evidence talked about a famine, which happened. The written testimonies are a whole other can of worms filled with Goebbels’ best propaganda that talked about a genocide aimed at Ukrainians which never happened.
>>199096 Yes, the United Communists of Leftypol do not negotiate with Nazis, end of story.
>>199087 <White-naped crane >The white-naped crane (Antigone vipio) is a bird of the crane family. It is a large bird, 112–125 cm (44–49 in) long, approximately 130 cm (4.3 ft) tall and weighing about 5.6 kg (12 lb) with pinkish legs, grey and white striped neck, and a red face patch. Nice bird
>>199096 You know your shit is fucked when even the god-king of crazy, over-the-top propaganda Solzhenitsyn (he got a Nobel price for that after all) calls you loony.
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Don't forget, remember the 5 million!

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/The 2010s/ General Anonymous 12/31/2019 (Tue) 08:22:28 No. 192304 [Reply] [Last]
Well /leftypol/, it's close to the end of the decade. Now is the time to reflect on the state of the left, our failures/successes over the past decade, and how the world has changed. Here are some important things that happened during the decade that you can comment on (feel free to add anything that you feel I missed): >Slow recovery from the Global Financial Meltdown >Death of Kim Jong-il >Eurozone Crisis >Tea Party >Deepwater Horizon >Bin Laden killed >Israel's brutal operations in Gaza. >Kony 2012 >LIBOR Scandal >François Hollander elected in France >Arab Spring >Obama's Airstrikes >NATO Intervention in Libya >ISIS Spreading through the ME

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>>192663 Damn,the ccp needs to step up their game and make some party cadre cosplay as Misato.
The three greatest stories of the decade are: A. The climate apocalypse has arrived. B. Rate of profit continues falling, Capital's self-destruction accelerates. C. Quasi-fascist garrison politics are on the rise. Civilization is headed toward barbarism. All it takes now is just a couple more 2015-style refugee waves (inevitable thanks to ecological collapse), and/or a big 9/11-style terrorist attack. In either case, the capitalist metropole is in secular decline. The transition to a planned economy is inevitable, the only question is whether it will be done by socialists, by a paternalist military junta, or by eco-fascists. My money's on the second option.
>>199011 The Greatest Story of the 2010s is this: Regardless of Neoliberal proclamations and fantasies, history has returned with a vengeance
>>192663 When will Xi finally nuke Taiwan?
>>192304 NATO's Neo-Nazi Ukraine couple Crimea Donbass

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Anonymous 01/05/2020 (Sun) 16:27:16 No. 198954 [Reply] [Last]
>want to join org >You must give 50 dollars a month to join
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>another porn thread
Start your own org and make it free to join. Find like minded people and figure out local problems to solve that the current system hasn't. Solve those problems according to your abilities. Establish reciprocity where instead of paying, people who are helped are encouraged to pay back by helping others in the community however they can do it. If people are food insecure, make food gardens for example.
>>198954 liberty ain't free
>>198988 >>198988 Shut up retard guarentee ya aint left the house in a decade
>PSL >literally costs over 1000$ a year to be a member >all fees go to Gloria La Riva's fucking stupid election campaigns

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Regarding family unit Anonymous 01/04/2020 (Sat) 17:14:37 No. 197498 [Reply] [Last]
Can someone give me a basic summary of what Marxist solution offers regarding dismantlation of the family unit? I've heard several times around here that Marxism is against family unit, but don't know how exactly. Asking as new Marxist.
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>>197515 >>197520 >>197527 You're not being subtle, retards. >>197917 >I haven't read Marx but I know it's bad congrats bro you're every anti-communist ever >>198684 >>198934 >weeb monarchists lmao
>>198934 >but Maistre doesn't pull that noble savage stuff Engels doesn't do this either, and for him development of slavery is a progressive development. Rousseau makes moral claims in regards to the "natural state" of man, while Engels does no such thing. >Back then, they were obsessed with the 'New World' and trying to find a blank slate and study the 'savages' as primitive man. De Maistre will give you a good commentary on this topic. Engels wasn't attempting to find a "blank slate", but rather study the development of the family throughout human history and it's the emergence of it's modern incarnation.
>>198979 >Engels doesn't do this either, and for him development of slavery is a progressive development Fairly stated. >Engels wasn't attempting to find a "blank slate" Regardless, I said that they were similar. If not in how they approach the problem, then in what they make of it. For example, Engels states in that screencap that 'the state' was invented.
>>199005 >Engels states in that screencap that 'the state' was invented. As a consequence of the development of history, it was.
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>>199008 How is that not an anti-social view? I guess because he defines a state as taking partiality over the whole. But I have an ambiguous stance on this topic myself. I really drift on this subject

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