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Anonymous 09/20/2020 (Sun) 03:03:53 No. 884201 [Reply] [Last]
You can't be socialist Just because you are Transgender. I have noticed there is an "LGBT" culture that takes lightly and Fetishizes politics
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>>886815 >the really weird assumption that the american working class is group of homogeneous (...)straight cis people Yes? How many self identify as "lgbt" something like 4.4%? I don't know what race has to do with anything but last I checked whties in the US were the most open towards lgbt and trans folx. The "marginalized communities" is a rainbow libtard meme. And trans are what, 0.5% of the overall population? >do you not take the idea of reactionary elements infiltrating or co-opting our movements as a serious potential issue I have no idea what this has to do with the trans, do you believe their mere presence would impede infiltration? Are you aware there is also many mentally ill far right trans? >accept worker solidarity what worker solidarity? They are tiny insignificant demographics that exploits the ideology for attention, simple as that, just like their far right/natsoc counterparts look up the shitshow that was CPUSA with theirs
>>886875 So the trans community is so insignificant that we shouldn't appeal to them but significant enough to be a real problem to the left? I'm getting real "the enemy is both weak and strong" vibes here. Either they're big enough to cause issues in leftist spaces or they aren't big enough to apeal to, pick one. As for insurgency, normalizing this type rhetoric makes it easier for reactionaries to infiltrate the left because it makes it harder to tell who's a infiltrating reactionary element and who's just another leftist and co-opting is made easier because historically speaking fascists already take from leftist rhetoric but add bigoted imagery to scape goat the problem. Once the lefts rhetoric becomes bigoted suddenly the far left and far right are saying the same thing but with very different intent.
>>886980 been lurking in this thread, the unspoken kernel of the debate is about preventing factional struggle within socialist organization.
>>885347 Noooooo it was the tr4nnies and their handlers!!
>>886980 >So the trans community is so insignificant that we shouldn't appeal to them but significant enough to be a real problem to the left? Yes exactly? They are demographically insignificant and represented 100x in left wing circles >Once the lefts rhetoric becomes bigoted suddenly the far left and far right are saying the same thing but with very different intent. You mean like people could judge the ideology on purely economic merits instead of all the socjus baggage that makes it unpalatable to the working class?

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National-Marxism-Memeism Anonymous 09/20/2020 (Sun) 04:31:32 No. 884360 [Reply] [Last]
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/uk.firstwave/nationalism.htm First Published: The Marxist, No. 15, Autumn 1970 Transcription, Editing and Markup: Sam Richards and Paul Saba Copyright: This work is in the Public Domain under the Creative Commons Common Deed. You can freely copy, distribute and display this work; as well as make derivative and commercial works. Please credit the Encyclopedia of Anti-Revisionism On-Line as your source, include the url to this work, and note any of the transcribers, editors & proofreaders above. ’Comrade Lenin draws the following conclusion; “Marx had no doubt as to the subordinate position of the national as compared to the labour question.” Here are only two lines but they are decisive. And this is what some of our comrades who are more zealous than wise should drill into their heads.’ (Stalin)[1] MARXIST-LENINISTS see everything (right up to the realisation of Communism) from the point of view of class struggle. Therefore we must ask ’what class interest does nationalism serve, in what historical period and region?’ To assist us in this class analysis let us examine in depth the fundamental tenet of Marxism-Leninism on the national question. Marxists proclaim the right of all nations to self-determination. This is not an abstract bourgeois legal or ’moral’ thing we recognise but purely a method whereby the bourgeois nationalistic mystification can be readily disposed of, so that the most fundamental contradiction between capital and labour, be laid bare for all the masses to see and grapple with: ’The obligations of Social-Democrats (Communists) who defend the interests of the proletariat and the rights of a nation which consists of various classes, are two different things. ’In fighting for the right of nations to self-determination the aim of Social-Democrats is to put an end to the policy of national oppression, to render it impossible and thereby to remove the grounds of hostility between nations, to take the edge off that hostility and to reduce it to a minimum.

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Look thats cool and all but can you fit lesbian islamism in there
>>884456 the wall is wide and the wall is long friend.

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Coronavirus vs 9/11 Anonymous 09/19/2020 (Sat) 18:11:00 No. 882985 [Reply] [Last]
Why the fuck was picrel too stupid to exploit the pandemic? after 9/11 Bush's approval rating went up to over 90%. Trump could have easily have spun it like "Chinese bioweapon, the whole country needs to rally behind me" by taking the pandemic 150% serious even to using it as an excuse to take over shit. Instead he tried to play it off like no big deal. If he played it the right way he could have pulled a GWB and gotten a second term + passed some dystopian laws like muh patriot act on steroids to grack down on antifa, even portray BLM rioters as Marxist Chinese sympathizers the same way anyone who questioned Bush was "on the side of the terrorists". Imagine if after 9/11 Bush said terrorism is no big deal, people would shit on him like there's no tomorrow which is exactly whats happening to Trump. If you look in Europe, right wing populists like Orban are using the virus as an excuse. Is Trump literally more stupid than Bush?
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>>884032 >It's like a runaway train. Trump can't actually do much besides sit in first class. Porky is furiously shoveling coal into the burner and the lunatic reactionaries are in the conductor's seat so comrade corona is the ultimate accelerationist?
>>882988 I remember the whole Hillary has a greater than 99% chance of winning ( https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/sam-wang-princeton-election-consortium-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-victory-a7399671.html ) bullshit they were pushing all throughout 2016. They completely and permanently lost all their credibility in my eyes.
>>883936 >He could have even started using ICE to fuck and scapegoat a new minority that would have been genius because it would have forced the dems to play the IDPOL card and totally distract from his failure on corona
>>884197 What if trump started using ICE to detain european immigrants in cages? He would have forced the democrats to play pro-euro, pro-white idpol which would have been pretty hilarious
>>884212 he would have never done that cuz he only considers non white illegal immigrants as subhuman

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Anonymous 09/19/2020 (Sat) 09:18:20 No. 882185 [Reply] [Last]
Anyone studying neuroscience here? how can we use this to help the revolution.
sounds interesting. sourced the pdf. sounds like it touches on similar material as mcgowan's programmed to kill
Weaponize intrusive thoughts Waves that spread ocd will literally make our enemies go mad
>>882211 thanks

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Anonymous 09/13/2020 (Sun) 21:25:04 No. 865744 [Reply] [Last]
Who do you read wrt the Palestine situation, anons? I've recently been reading and watching Finkelstein Is the Zionist Destroyer /ourguy/? again. Who else is recommended reading from a leftist perspective on the topic?
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>>884318 >Anti-Zionism is idpol Fuera Sionista
>>884390 Anti-Zionism is based, but there's race idpol in it.
>>884405 >but there's race idpol in it. Such as? I read the book twice and I don't remember Gowans writing any race idpol. All of his work is based on material analysis of the cui bono (who benefits?) of imperialism and class components of anti-imperialist struggles.
>>884411 <Lenin linked the struggle of the Western working class to be recognized as equal and fully human (and therefore to be free from servitude) with the struggle of ‘inferior’ races and women for the same. In other words, he identified the struggles against white supremacy, male supremacy, and bourgeois supremacy, as, not separate and unrelated movements, but as inter-related and indissolubly connected. All of these struggles were different aspects of the fight to overcome the supremacy of white, male, property-owners, or more broadly, to overcome inequality p.26 lenin would have called this a right wing deviation. it is really racist and sexist.
>>884446(me) forgot to add, Gowan shares with the right the premise that supremacy is the natural order, the right thinks this order is good, Gowan thinks it's bad. Marxists reject the premise of supremacy as natural order.

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Should I celebrate the USSR/Maoist China? Anonymous 09/11/2020 (Fri) 22:26:57 No. 860162 [Reply] [Last]
I dunno how to really put this question without getting yelled at, but, I'll just come out with it, I feel like socialism and perhaps even the world in general were harmed more by the existence of those two countries than if those revolutions had never happened. I know that they brought many people out of poverty but they also killed millions and basically gave the capitalists a blank check to smear socialism forever. I find it hard to feel positive about leftist history when to me it feels as if it was all for nothing. For example I tried watching 'Reds' with a friend and kinda just found it depressing to know how everything turned out. I honestly feel like any government/system without democracy can't really be considered any kind of example of socialism or communism so I find it hard to be enthused or really defend the above nations. I'm willing to be proven wrong though.
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>>860162 >I feel See, that's where your problem is: you don't think, you "feel" what's right and what's wrong.
Let's see, in the USSR story we have two sides. One claimed they did the best they could and the people who got repressed deserved it, as evidence for that we got archival data with criminal cases. That's the side that brought education, medicine and quality of life rising at unprecedented rate for all. Other claims that they just genocided gorillions for no good reason to hide the fact they're bad at basic economics, as evidence they present testimonies and anecdotes by former aristocrats and businessmen, orthodox christians, billionaire owned newspapers and Joseph Goebbels. That's the side that left us with economic crises, poverty, right wing dictatorships, with AIDS and heroin for all who can afford it. I don't know who to believe to be honest.
>>860170 Miss me with those spooks
>>860162 >Should I celebrate the USSR/Maoist China? Yes, didn't even read the rest of the post

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How many zoomers are on leftypol? Anonymous 09/18/2020 (Fri) 18:44:36 No. 879505 [Reply] [Last]
https://www.strawpoll.me/20963889 What actually IS the age base of /leftypol/ users??
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>>881541 if you turn on the captcha it blocks bots and therefore makes rigging way harder
>>881486 looks rigged. this site is mostly 14-16 year olds and it’s pretty obvious to any adult that spends more a day on here.
>>880053 they tried
>there are half a dozen under-13s on the site Half of those gotta be the resident pedos.
>>883823 how can you possibly tell that

Anonymous 09/18/2020 (Fri) 15:25:10 No. 878890 [Reply] [Last]
Why didn't the Roman Empire industrialize and develop capitalism?
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>>882123 It was part of the thesis that I wrote for my Imperial Roman History class when I was working on my major, but I would not even know where to look without the university's resources anymore. The Wikipedia article on Roman Egypt describes what is essentially capitalist farming in Egypt without any sources, and all the actual books I have on the period are just political crap like Tacitus, Cassius Dio, and Suetonius. Sorry, my google-fu is weak. Now you have me curious. I need to dig a bit.
>>878890 overreliance on slave and a corrupt and decadent upper class who kept partying and didn't gave a fuck even when barbarians were plundering Rome to the point where barbarian Romeaboos had more interest in Rome's well-being than the former ruling class itself.
>>882663 You don't give classical thinkers enough credit. The ones who did actual study of the physical world, as opposed to the platonic idealists, came up some futuristic stuff, most of which (eg. the entire collection of works by Epicurus) managed to not survive for some reason. Hmm... The more important question is, "What would Classical Romans have hooked a steam engine to?" There was nothing like the medieval Dutch wool industry in Classical Rome, no significant landless proletariat to exploit.
>>882811 There was quite literally waged labor in Rome and the term proletariat is Roman in origin The classical thinkers were smart, but they simply did not have the requisite knowledge
>>882070 >Caesar actually planned to carry out many reforms which would've benefitted the people before Roman elites killed him. Interesting, what kind of reforms?

KIM IL SUNG and SOEKARNO who am i 09/19/2020 (Sat) 06:22:37 No. 881916 [Reply] [Last]
Soekarno visit to North Korea
Based
they are actually good friend and also with che guvara
>>881927 Yeah, as a matter of fact iirc Che wished to base Cuban society around the Juche model

Anonymous 09/18/2020 (Fri) 07:41:55 No. 878202 [Reply] [Last]
Might as well start a thread about this. I just ran through a pdf search on all of Marx and Engels' works for "own the means" and it came out (shockingly, if you are an RDW fag), that neither of them advocated for such a thing. Literally one result, lol. Spoopy. Kinda makes you think about Proudhonist/RDW-tier "workers own the MoP" vs. Marxist "socialization of production." It's almost as if 90% of the so called "radical left" today was merely a LARPING faggot, or something. It's almost as if Marx was a statist, or something as well.
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>>878202 Based The State is good actually Fuck anarkkkiddies/syndicucks/marksuccs
>>878942 Now I wonder why anarkids don't understand why MLs kill them. Hey, make an argument any time.
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Tough to swallow Redpill: Co-ops are shit but so are worker unions. They have been fully integrated in the bourgeoise structure
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>>882896 Even tougher to swallow redpill: if you are an american leftist, you are going to have to suffer through the government collapsing and even help it collapse if you want anybody on earth to live under socialism at some point in the future
>>882900 >americans >doing anything ever lulz

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