Yeh that's right, you heard, Idpol Meta thread. This thread has been sanctioned by mods so don't you go crying to them. No little bitches in this thread, if you want to cry rather than discuss things, do it while masturbating to keep your hands busy from the keyboard.
This thread is NOT for the discussion of Idpol topics and what you think about them. This thread IS for the discussion of WHAT IS IDPOL?. HOW DOES THE LEFT AT LARGE DEAL WITH IDPOL? HOW DO WE AS A COMMUNITY DEAL WITH IDPOL?
What we DO want to see in this thread: Calm, untriggered, thoughtful analysis, which genuinely considers at face value opposing posts, takes them into account, and responds politely, giving quotes and taking the extra effort to explain your point, answering questions where necessary , references to wider socialist history, literature, thinkers. Just chill and post theory, its only words on the internet, no need to be so mad.
What we DO NOT want to see in this thread: To start, no fucking idpol, now I understand it may seem silly, as we are starting out attempting to define idpol, so we automatically have no working definition of what this is, however, we are here to talk about that definition in the abstract, not about if you think prostitution is good or bad. You may reference these specific issues, if it helps you to explain what idpol is in the abstract, the thread is not for talking pro/con about these specific issues however. Keep it Meta.
Second, just calling someone a faggot or some other ad hominem is not allowed. 1) Its not a fucking argument. 2) its more flames in an already inflammatory environment 3) People tend to respond with another ad hominem and thus the thread is derailed with a serious of petty insults. 4) Use of the word "liberal" or "reactionary" unless supplied alongside an economic analysis of why this is so, should come under ad hominem for this thread.
So what I would like posters to actually do? 1) Try and define Idpol, not in some 1 liner, but really try and put some effort into a description which is complete, which goes to some length to explain the contradictions within the concept and resolve them. if you think there are no contradictions you are doing Marxism all wrong
Things to think about: Where and when and why do Identity Struggles occur? What causes people to coalesce around a certain identity? How do these identity struggles fit into a wider framework of class analysis? How do they resist a framework of class analysis?
Once we have answered some of these above questions and have some definitions we could then consider: Given that identity groups are a real and material thing, that is through their conceptual power, they unite people such that their actions constitute a material influence on the world, how should we interact with these struggles, firstly as part of the wider left and secondly as part of this community.
Try not to answer the second parts if you haven't given a definition for the first.
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