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Conditions of the Working Class in your Area. Anonymous 07/03/2020 (Fri) 04:14:33 No. 662802 [Reply] [Last]
Write in this thread about the conditions of the local working class in your city, county or general area. I am writing about Accomack county Virginia. In Accomack, work is very focused on local agriculture and food processing alongside the service and tourist industry for the copy-pasted strip malls along 13, which get business from people driving down to Virginia beach or the increasingly touristic town of Cape Charles. The food industry had declined in the past 20 years or so with the chicken plant closing down. A lot of people work for Sysco or do work on the local farms. The middle class lives in decent sized houses while the working class lives in many trailers, or very old, falling down houses, some which lack plumbing and basic things like that. In Northhampton and especially in Cape Charles there used to be a lot of poor black people living in public housing, but Bill Clinton kicked most of them out with his new welfare policy. Many of them came up here to work and live, so there is a sizable minority of blacks living amongst the poor whites that make up the majority of the proletarian and lumpen-proletarian population here. In order to pick Tomatoes, which many people will not do without decent pay, they bus in Immigrants from somewhere south of the border. I don't think they speak English and I assume they are on work visas. They all live in a row of new trailers right next to where the tomatoes are grown. On the coast there are many watermen who make their living on oysters and crabs and have for generations, mostly ignoring local laws which restrict this sort of thing. They are deeply superstitious and sometimes racist. The median household income here is around $43,210 and I think it is likely to grow as more and more of these little beach towns get touristified like Cape Charles.
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>>664768 third worldists btfo
I live in Scotland, Glasgow specifically. The broader history is that we used to build ships and have other heavy industry but all thats left of that is one BAE hanger which has been building a pair of aircraft carriers for like 8 years. The fall out from this de-industrialisation meant that during the 60's basically everybody was moved into suburbs and for a long time we were the most violent city in europe and also the herion capital, there was also massive sectarian violence spilling over from football and the irish troubles Because of this, by the end of the 80s through to the 2000's there was some investment to turn the place around, but it went into shit like a stadium for concerts, an imax theatre, a science centre. So basically there is still fuck all here but night life These days I honestly don't know what the fuck gets made in Glasgow, in the surrounding towns like East Kilbride, Motherwell etc we have some small factories for generally low end products, like bottle factories or box factories or something. There certainly isn't any one industry in Scotland I would say is specific to Glasgow. Any high level production in Scotland tends to be done away from cities, we have some tech firms for example of moderately high quality, we have the whiskey industry, and we have oil. None of this is really in Glasgow, on top of that, near Aberdeen where the oil is, has been fucked by the oil market, it was fucked before that, had a boom, and is now fucked again. In Glasgow itself, there is a financial district but its not even the main financial district in Scotland because that is in Edinburgh, which is also where all the political infrastructure is housed, i.e. the parliament etc. So pretty much all young people work in like a bar or a call centre of some description, anybody who says they work in an "office" works in a glorified call centre unless they are a lawyer or something. There is also a thriving arts scene and its a big student town, so there is a pretty large amount of middle class hipsters about living off grants to make video art or some shit. What all this means of course is that corona is going smash utterly what little commerce there is in Glasgow. When I say everyone works in bars, the city is famous for its night life, this has already been attacked ruthlessly by the council so that it was in decline, this will finish it off completely. Obviously you have some construction jobs etc like any city but that alone isn't enough to employ a population. There is widespread unemployment and the employment that is there has very little prospect I will say compared to some places Glasgow is pretty comfy, rent is comparatively cheap, food etc can also be got cheap. You do however get what you pay for, flats are notoriously shit, although they might be bigger than in a lot of places, they are all old and degraded. the minimum wage is 8.21 but it went up to like 8.80ish just after corona hit, this did not bump up any furlough pay though, furlough pay was worked out on the lower rate. 8.21 will get you 2 pints. Just. In a lot of bars it won't. A pack of fags is about 11/12 quid by now but I don't buy straights any more so idk might be even higher. In most places you can buy large amounts of vegetables pretty cheap from ethnic shops. In tesco it can be a bit expensive but not crazily so. A chicken breast of medium quality is like £3.20. A meal deal at tesco is £3.50 and that gets you a sandwhich, a drink, some crisps. Rent you can pay anywhere from like £200 a month in a shit house with 5 other people or like £450-£500+ a month if you want to stay by yourself. Generally one bedroom is gonna average around £300-£350 on the cheaper end of things, maybe getting up to £400 these days. Then you are gonna owe £100 odd in council tax and another £100 again for energy and internet every month. Then prob another £30ish for your phone. Transport is expensive and shit. to travel half an hour to edinburgh is £24 in peak time. Buses are 2.40 minimum and NEVER turn up on up on time. I mean NEVER. This is something everyone agrees on basically. Ditto the trains, the SNP have been the single most anti train party in history. Literally the opposite of Trotsky. Every second train is cancelled, main lines often become inoperable for long periods at peak times. A lot of stuff in Scotland is like this, for example we have a load of schools and public buildings which are unsafe and and bunch of them collapsed, the reason for this is Lab/Lib/SNP neo lib "the state spends the money but the private contractor does the job every body wins because its like socialism because the government does stuff but with profits for private companies also" What that means in practice is a load of shit stuff that doesn't work and profits maintained.

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>>664950 I'm surprised there are call centers in the UK, I thought all of them would have been moved to India by now.
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>>664950 It seems like this sort of city could do with some sort of black panther like organization.

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Glowpost on 4ch Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 18:53:56 No. 666531 [Reply] [Last]
CW unedited /pol/ak
>killing him would make him a martyr pure delusional
>>666538 Indeed.
>>666531 >That lenght That screenshot would make a good anal probe
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Are the democrats and republicans going to kill Trump to avoid the upcoming unrest filled farce of a mail in election? Are the dems trying to make sure McGovern riots don't happen again?
>>666554 Who gives a shit. By this point every single outcome is funny: >If Biden wins and Trump accepts it, we will see the biggest Q cope ever, also the pic of Trump leaving the WH and pressing Biden's hand will be amazing. >If Biden wins and Trump says fuck you, I'm not leaving, it will be funny due to the boogaloo that would happen. >Trump wins straight out, it's 4 more years of retard man who is killing US from inside. >Trump gets shot, or any of the candidates die from old age. Like, that's just so funny I needn't explain, and would cause a boogaloo as well.

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4th of July Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 04:21:43 No. 665429 [Reply] [Last]
Its the fourth of July for my fellow burgers. We have failed another year to have any real progress. I sit here in debt, no money and no job (due to no lack of effort), my health slowly declining with plague rats outside slowly killing my fellow people idiocy and entitlement to cough on anything that moves. So i wait for the barricades to go up and hold and for the shots to begin. I want revolution. I am waiting. Where are my comrades ready? Why are we not taking the streets and our community's from that hands of those that enslave us? Have you got something better to do? https://youtu.be/QNrL_IXXcdg
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>>665979 That anon who describes the mental disorder of "reactionaryism" is honestly onto something.
>>665813 >Wouldn’t they WANT to wear a mask yes, if their world view was actually internally consistent at all, but it isn't lol.
>>665989 purge all the neocons
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>>665650 >be patient anon Oh i got patience. What i don't have is any indication of prole people in this country of change. No real organizing, no real opposition. Just complacency, even in the face of a crisis that should be incredibly radicalizing for anyone with an ounce of intelligence.
>>665571 >Early capitalism was only burgeoning industrial capital and finance capital in the form of slave bonds by the mid-nineteenth century. I thought that was a given. Liberalism and slavery, chattel , wage and prison kinda go hand in hand. But the american revolution, was still a revolution that led to bourgeoisie control over a country. The English were still Monarchists, even if they were swinging liberal. Thank you for the book recommendation.

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PETA Anonymous 06/28/2020 (Sun) 15:18:05 No. 648324 [Reply] [Last]
what is the leftypols visual on a hypocritical terrorist organization called peta?
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>>653505 I do not think that word means what you think it means.
the only people who don't hate peta are the ones who don't know about them yet; or "just discovered-ecology" people
>>652198 >but is it really true that eating vegetables is unaffordable/more expensive than eating meat? It would be less expensive actually, depending on where you live you can get a lot of vegetables like potatoes and legumes very cheaply and in large bulks. For veganism to be cheaper however, you have to cook everything yourself, and not use processed/niche products like vegan cheese or fake meat. Those tend to be very expensive, even more so than real meat. The problem is that not everyone has the time to cook for themselves, especially not people who have a job.
>>648324 Peta people are the type of vegans that become vegan to boost their own ego and shit on everyone else. I had a friend who would all the time post peta videos from slaughter houses. All it did was normalizing slaughter. I've killed animals for food and I believe seeing those videos when I was younger sort of just made it easier for me to kill animals later. Don't get me wrong I love animals and I do treat them just as well as I would treat a dog or a cat but I care way more about people and peoples well being. I don't mind people becoming vegan. It's a good thing to be. But if you are going to be a little bitch about it and treat other people like shit you better get of you high fucking horse. Not everyone can choose what and what not too eat, many people would fucking starve to death without meat. In many cold areas such as where I live vegtabels and fruit can acctualy be pretty expensive since they are not localy produced, acctually they are very often produced by companies that has financed fucking wars. If you think being a vegan alone makes you moraly superior you are dead wrong. Peta has a tendensy to but like 95% of the blame on the consumer and the consumer does in many cases have when it comes to the food industry have little to no power, we all need food on our plates and most of us don't have the wealth to change our eatinghabbit to challange the food industry. Peta gives very little critisism to the CEO's and they don't even try to citicise the the industry that produce their food. They sit there on their high horse and drink soy milk and othe products that are very dangerous to the enviorment. It doesn't really matter what you consume because no matter what you consume someone either if it is an animal or a human have had to suffer for you to consume that product. As peta is critizising the meat industry and the horrible conditions some animals live in they don't seem to care the slightes about the inhumane conditions workers live in. If you want to change anything about the food industry or what ever you have to change everything. as vegan annon said, you have to be anti capitalist.

Social Fascism Anonymous 07/03/2020 (Fri) 01:47:56 No. 662562 [Reply] [Last]
What is social fascism? And another question. Why did Mao call the USSR a fascist dictatorship of the German Hiterite type in 1968 and why don't Maoists consider the post-Stalin USSR to be socialist?
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The only party with a flower as a symbol I respect is the Tudeh Communist Party.
>>665876 >dat face German Socdems are the original NPCs.
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>>663733 >5g corona pussy earth only has 1g gravitational acceleration that must a an enormous cat
>>665647 >implying anyone is surprised when a self-described "socialist" party are social democrats at best, and "social democrats" turn into neoliberals I'm sure parliamentary politics will work out any day now.
>>666069 nice evasion, as elegant as a tank in an hockey rink.

How would society turn out if the industrial revolution never happened? Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 12:28:22 No. 665893 [Reply] [Last]
Imagine if for whatever reason that large scale industry never came to be or was not feasible, how would you think class society would develop? Would capitalism still happen or would a sort of agrarian communism would've taken its place instead?
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>>666070 Yes 🤪🤪🤪
>>666058 They were certainly weaker then at their hayday. But they still had influence, societal prestige, and wealth from ground rent and investment. I just don't think they would have been buried without WW1. Even if they were rotting. However in many places they are still there and haven't been buried. Especially in Britain, where the Queen appears to be immortal.
>>666025 Alt-history helps us analyze real history Anti-Fun LARPers BTFO
>>666079 What distinguishes capitalism from feudalism is generalized commodity production, not an aristocratic family in formal power or whatever.
>>666085 Agreed. I'm just saying it was stable enough to guarantee its upper class remained part of the upper class. It wasn't violently overthrown (minor a few exceptions), it was reformed into Capitalism. Also my main point of contention is the idea that somehow Feudalism was unstable just because it evolved into Capitalism. >Feudal economy:Production for sustenance >Capitalist economy: Production for exchange I honestly think Feudalist economic relations + Technology would be far better than Capitalism as revolution would be easier.

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the missing mastery Anonymous 06/29/2020 (Mon) 02:58:37 No. 649616 [Reply] [Last]
Our civilisation has mastered matter and energy, but not information. Do you think that human level A.I. is needed for actual communism in which there is no private property and there are no classes?
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>>662101 The thing that killed feudalism and created capitalism wasn’t any politics revolution, but advances in agricultural technology that lead to urbanization and eventually early textile factories and thus industrialization.
>>663581 >page 16 >Silicon Valley’s entrepreneurs have earned a reputation as some of the hardest working in America, passionate young founders who pull all-nighters in a mad dash to get a product out, and then obsessively iterate that product while seeking out the next big thing. Entrepreneurs there do indeed work hard. But I’ve spent decades deeply embedded in both Silicon Valley and China’s tech scene, working at Apple, Microsoft, and Google before incubating and investing in dozens of Chinese startups. I can tell you that Silicon Valley looks downright sluggish compared to its competitor across the Pacific. >China’s successful internet entrepreneurs have risen to where they are by conquering the most cutthroat competitive environment on the planet. They live in a world where speed is essential, copying is an accepted practice, and competitors will stop at nothing to win a new market. Every day spent in China’s startup scene is a trial by fire, like a day spent as a gladiator in the Coliseum. The battles are life or death, and your opponents have no scruples.
>>665943 The communist party of china are the best capitalists.
>>665958 >page 21 - 22 >Silicon Valley’s and China’s internet ecosystems grew out of very different cultural soil. Entrepreneurs in the valley are often the children of successful professionals, such as computer scientists, dentists, engineers, and academics. Growing up they were constantly told that they—yes, they in particular—could change the world. Their undergraduate years were spent learning the art of coding from the world’s leading researchers but also basking in the philosophical debates of a liberal arts education. When they arrived in Silicon Valley, their commutes to and from work took them through the gently curving, tree-lined streets of suburban California. >It’s an environment of abundance that lends itself to lofty thinking, to envisioning elegant technical solutions to abstract problems. Throw in the valley’s rich history of computer science breakthroughs, and you’ve set the stage for the geeky-hippie hybrid ideology that has long defined Silicon Valley. Central to that ideology is a wide-eyed techno-optimism, a belief that every person and company can truly change the world through innovative thinking. Copying ideas or product features is frowned upon as a betrayal of the zeitgeist and an act that is beneath the moral code of a true entrepreneur. It’s all about “pure” innovation, creating a totally original product that generates what Steve Jobs called a “dent in the universe.” >Startups that grow up in this kind of environment tend to be mission-driven. They start with a novel idea or idealistic goal, and they build a company around that. Company mission statements are clean and lofty, detached from earthly concerns or financial motivations. >In stark contrast, China’s startup culture is the yin to Silicon Valley’s yang: instead of being mission-driven, Chinese companies are first and foremost market-driven. Their ultimate goal is to make money, and they’re willing to create any product, adopt any model, or go into any business that will accomplish that objective. That mentality leads to incredible flexibility in business models and execution, a perfect distillation of the “lean startup” model often praised in Silicon Valley. It doesn’t matter where an idea came from or who came up with it. All that matters is whether you can execute it to make a financial profit. The core motivation for China’s market-driven entrepreneurs is not fame, glory, or changing the world. Those things are all nice side benefits, but the grand prize is getting rich, and it doesn’t matter how you get there.
>>663581 mouther of god

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Anonymous 06/28/2020 (Sun) 04:18:15 No. 647546 [Reply] [Last]
Chairman Garbanzo is the greatest contribution to modern Marxist Leninist Maoist theory. I'm curious, does anyone have any good or decent videos about the communist movement in Peru that's not infected with bourge bullshit?
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you can't make an omelette without butchering a few thousand innocent eggs
here is a list of different Maoist medias: one of them might have something. World Wide (In English) New Epoch Media - https://www.newepoch.media/ Dem Volke Dienen - Serve The People http://www.demvolkedienen.org/ (English and German) Banned Thought - http://www.bannedthought.net/ Bolivia (In Spanish) Análisis y Opinión https://analisisopinion.wordpress.com/ Frente Revolucionario del Pueblo de Bolivia (MLM)) - Revolutionary Front of the People of Bolivia https://frpbolivia.wordpress.com/ Brazil (In Portugese)

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Fuck yeah it's shovel in babby's head time.
>>665730 40 YEARS OF PEOPLE'S WAR 28 YEARS IN PRISON NO SIGN OF VICTORY YET YES, IT'S GARBANZO TIME
Yes, comrades, communism is when you deal cocaine and massacre peasants. Long live the Protracted People's Struggle!

Nationalism and Socialism Anonymous 06/30/2020 (Tue) 04:27:40 No. 653806 [Reply] [Last]
why is it whenever i mention that i'm a left-wing nationalist and socialist that libs always fucking jump to 'oh my god, you're a Nazi??!'. fucking exhausting trying to explain what national liberation and shit mean to these bitches.
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>>665739 'sup nihilistfag
>>665742 Rent free. Anyway, read Stalin, fascist.
>>665732 If they are nationalist black kings, Yes. Nationalism is the major poison that destroyed the ussr and china alliance that could have been

Opinion on the Muslim brotherhood? Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 11:49:02 No. 665846 [Reply] [Last]
There are probably the political faction in the middle east with the most popular support. What's their endgame bros?
>There are probably the political faction in the middle east with the most popular support Not anymore bruv.

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