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Joe Biden will be the 46th and possibly last President of the United States Anonymous 03/24/2020 (Tue) 17:45:07 No. 392134 [Reply] [Last]
The way Donald Trump is handling the contemporary problems in America and the way things are right now is laughable. This is not to say that Joe Biden will be any better--he is a dementia-ridden pervert, after all. But for the mainstream Burgerstani populace, that does not matter. They would all cite Trump as the cause of all problems rather than a symptom of material reality. Bernie will cuck out and be rammed into the ground into submission by the establishment and mainstream media like last time. The administration would most likely consist of major intervention into the third world. It would most likely be the last one the American Empire holds before complete collapse. When it does, the power vacuum will be left open by other imperialist blocs such as Europe's, Russia's, or even China's. Regardless of how many people on this board say that Biden's faults will give Donald Trump a second term, that will not be the case whether we like it or not.
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>>392753 >this is Biden though I already said that you idiot. Biden is a tool for the rich, but so is Trump. He is rich. Why do you think a billionaire who only hangs with other billionaires and seems obsessed with the stock market performance to the point of wanting to let millions die to uphold it, cares about your interests? You are the definition of a class cuck.
>>392774 Ok schizo
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The fash seem to be simping hard for him all things considered
I think Andrew Cuomo is gonna be the nominee. It's fucked but he's shown what you would call "leadership" way more than Bernie or Biden are doing. Who even fived a fuck about either of those two right now? Like it or not Andrew Cuomo is the one who's on the news right now and is the main responder to this besides Trump.
>>392732 She loses her 3rd race and then there's a mass suicide by shitlibs

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energy credits Anonymous 03/24/2020 (Tue) 04:09:05 No. 391066 [Reply] [Last]
Are energy credits "money" per se? An energy credit is literally redeemable in joules. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule
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>>391247 >>391247 thx for he video. It's really good.
>>391066 Human society is made to apportion human labor, not "energy".
>>391247 How is this any different from labour vouchers?
>>392736 You don't get labour vouchers if you don't work.
>>392740 Ok, so with energy credits how do you convince people to work then? Also, I think most people would agree that non-workers should at least get some labour vouchers.

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Comrades, tell me, do you feel a well of love and empathy for your fellow man? Anonymous 03/18/2020 (Wed) 01:24:46 No. 372244 [Reply] [Last]
I dont know whether it's because I'm incredibly high at the moment, but currently I feel a great love for humankind. Humans, what a special species they are, the only one capable of true evil, and yet, just as capable of as yet incomparable kindness and altruism. Honor, wonder, knowledge, wisdom; yes humans are special indeed; hell, it's impressive that humans are the only type of ape that actually isn't ugly! So tell me, you're communists, you should feel at least some compassion for our fellow hoomans, tell me how you love humanity comrades!
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ITT: 16 year olds who've spent too much time on reddit
>>392636 Sounds like something a secret redditor would say.
I would gladly execute you.
>>391145 You’re a fucking pussy bitch that probably weighs one hundred fucking pounds or 300 pounds and you’ve likely never been in a single fight in your whole fucking life. This man was an actual revolutionary with blood on his hands. In other words, fuck off, quit being an edgy reddit fag.
>>391521 And the words of a faggot on leftypol who’s never even been in a fight should simply be discarded, no? >Revolutionaries can be mistaken Who the actual fuck even are you? Exactly, nobody.

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this bullshit yet again Anonymous 03/24/2020 (Tue) 18:01:33 No. 392195 [Reply] [Last]
Left unity is not a meaningful concept or desirable goal, and (intelligent) argument between leftists is a good thing because it refines our political understanding. Please, tell me why I'm wrong.
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>>392424 >The way by which a revolutionary movement grows... worse, is by trying to unite with pre-existing groups that have COMPLETELY divergent policies and goals The thing is that the SPD did indeed have a strong basis among the workers, and theoretically at least they shared socialism as a goal with the KPD. In more immediate terms, they at the very least shared the goal of stopping the Nazis. Imo this alone should have been enough for united action. >the KPD probably didn't want to unite with the SPD over the, uh, you know, murdering thing that happened Which is why I don’t necessarily blame the KPD for their distrust. However with hindsight I think it’s fair to say that joining together would have been a better course of action. >I think I did read about a coalition offer made by KPD at the last minute, which SPD rejected Quite possible. I should specify that I’m not only blaming the KPD here. The SPD is also guilty of sectarianism, arguably moreso considering their traitorous actions in 1919.
>>392434 i Lenin takoy molodoy! it's like I can hear him speak in person. good man ;_; >>392456 mehhhhhh. the sheer amount of really bad, lazy, opportunist "ML" and "Maoist" parties who have no interest in actual revolution are not very interesting to me. in my country we have two communist parties and at least five or six different Trot groups: I met representatives of almost all of these, and almost all of these were doing JACK SHIT. >>392489 >However with hindsight I think it’s fair to say that joining together would have been a better course of action. this is possible, but there's very little we can say about what would have happened if they did.
>>392195 >intelligent it never is
Why tf was this thread bumplocked? Overzealous mods?
>>392434 >with those who defy the will of the majority. Right now the only ones who defy the will of the majority are you leninists. No one wants ML anymore. You only use "the will of the majority" as a form of legitimization whenever it suits the leninist agenda. That's why you did the October coup d'etat (the so called October revolution against the will of the majority, since it was the SR's who held the majority of votes not the Bolsheviks.)

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/leftyk/ - Self-defense, gun safety, and gun & ammo stores Anonymous 03/24/2020 (Tue) 16:24:04 No. 391877 [Reply] [Last]
The USA is in a unique position where a general strike may occur due to Trump and state governors prematurely ending COVID-19 quarantines for the benefit of shareholders, corporate executives, business owners, maintaining US dollar hegemony and boosting re-election chances. Therefore it is advisable for American progressives, democratic socialists, whatever the pro-working class left calls themselves, to educate themselves (and more importantly spread to others) on gun safety, gun laws and affordable deals on the market on handguns, rifles, kevlar and ammunition for the purpose of self-defense. Of course, face masks and sunglasses or goggles should also be worn to reduce COVID-19 infection chances. Firearms safety: https://gunsafetyrules.nra.org/ https://www.nssf.org/safety/rules-firearms-safety/ http://www.gunproof.org/index.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_safety#Rules_and_mindset Online gun stores: https://gun.deals/ https://www.budsgunshop.com/ https://www.fireforceventures.com/ https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ Gun information: https://modernfirearms.net/en/ https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWWWWWWWw okay but seriously, I didn't even know how bad I wanted it until I saw it. thank you based /leftyk/ OP
>Didn't get my PAL before COVID so now i can't get a gun fucking sucks being a leaf
>>391925 true, though. I live with my liberal idiot parents so even if I had a PAL I still wouldn't have a gun
>>391877 hey. how do i get fn weapons in belgium. i wanna five seven go pow pow pow
>>391996 you apparently need special permission from the belgian state to own handguns. and they probably won't let you use fun armor-piercing ammo anyway, so the fiveseven is pointless unless it's for your Gun Gale Online cosplay

Anonymous 03/24/2020 (Tue) 10:47:11 No. 391358 [Reply] [Last]
What texts are good critiques of Ultra-Leftism and Left-Communism? Besides 'An Infantile Disorder', of course.
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>>391855 >rupture is when the word rupture is used in a text, and if the word isn't used, it's not a rupture "The leaders of the present-day, so-called, “Social-Democratic” Party of Germany are justly called “social-imperialists”, that is, socialists in words and imperialists in deeds..." --- Lenin, *Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism*
>>391843 Only in German, really. But you can just look up the corporation that was created solely to privatize public enterprises: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treuhandanstalt Austin Murphy in "Triumph of Evil" goes into the economic knitty-gritty of that transition. It's free as a pdf on Google.
>>391880 Thank you. I can read German, so hit me up.
>>391994 Awesome, thank you!

is this good praxis? Anonymous 03/23/2020 (Mon) 14:50:32 No. 388980 [Reply] [Last]
<watch vid just replace the dump sticker with a hammer sickle or maybe some simple quote that explain the unjust system.
Make 50 people all over the country lick different products at supermarkets, record themselves and post it online
>with a hammer sickle as cringe as the drumpf sticker as propaganda i think the quote about capitalism is as good as it gets without turning into a seminar.
it would make sense to use the hamsic, only if this is a project implemented by some party that's already established and known. otherwise just use the quote or some other cool quote
>>388992 just do it on a bigger scale, organize. If not this how are we supposed to spread class consciousness? make HD movies for some middle bourgies to watch?

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The Sanders Cult Anonymous 03/21/2020 (Sat) 22:36:16 No. 384373 [Reply] [Last]
I don't want to be sectarian or anything, but I do want to say it. People keep saying the Sanders supporters are our best hope to get more people to socialism, we must unite with them and radicalize them, etc. I only ask how. I did all of this, I actively engaged in support of Sanders despite indifference to bourgeois electoralism because other MLs convinced me to do otherwise is "sectarian". The entire time I have not seen a single Sanders fan turn towards Marxism. Not one. They have all remained, more or less, wrapped up in the pap and pageantry of bourgeois politics. Now that MLs are finally reaching out to these people on the eve of their defeat they hiss and spit in our face. >HOW DARE YOU MOCK ME, HOW DARE YOU CRITIQUE SANDERS They say >THERE IS NOTHING ELSE THAT CAN BE DONE, YOU ARE SIMPLY A LARPer! They continue, as though they are asked to take up arms and storm heaven. They act as though phone banking for a politician in a bourgeois party in a bourgeois election is revolutionary, this is nonsensical, by that logic Obama's hope and change bullshit had worth. When do they join our cause I ask? Clearly the 2016 ratfucking wasnt enough, they kept their faith in bourgeois politics somehow; their attacks against "tankies" and demanding support for Sanders during this election also betrays their faith in bourgeois politics. Newsflash If you demand unwavering support for Sanders in the hope of his victory you are necessarily revealing your belief in bourgeois democracy as you implicitly believe in the pretense that it is, in reality, democratic I don't care if you call yourself ML, this is foolish, we are not in Lenin's time, the alternative to social democracy is not monarchy or military dictatorship. If you do believe a Sanders victory was impossible to begin with due to the machinery of the DNC, then support was not only a waste of time, but foolish to boot. The responses I've seen to the Sanders defeat are thus: >Denial, i.e. "He can still win!" >Anger, i.e. "Damn dirty tankies!" which is really just the inverse of the "YASS KWEEN" Clinton nonsense >Depression, i.e. "Sanders lost, all is lost, hope is shattered, time to cry, time to die" >Bargaining, i.e. "AOC 2024!" I've not seen this proliferation of a new generation of revolutionaries people told me I must pull my punches for. When will they appear? You know what happened when I actually tried reaching out to these Sanders worshipping DSA types on my campus? I was already in contact with some of them prior, while we watched the Super Tuesday slaughter I asked them if theyd continue the struggle even if Sanders lost. They just told me they'd cry and that they dont want to think about it. Whenever leftypolers try reaching out to Stupidpol or Chapo they hiss and spit at us for daring to suggest they should prepare for a Sanders defeat.

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>>391570 Soviet republics had far more rights and autonomy than US states ever did. Ukraine and Belarus even had UN seats.
As much as I personally dislike Bernie/AOC/etc, I don't let those feelings overwhelm my commitment to ML. History is long, the laws of history operate on timescales that we're not accustomed to thinking about. Social democrats have been around for as long as capital has been around, and as long as the laws of capitalism are in motion, social democrats will continue to exist. The laws of history operate regardless of what your feelings are towards them, so there's really no point in putting emotional stock into being frustrated with social democrats. Yes, it is frustrating that their followers won't learn about the history of the second international, but it doesn't change the fact that a certain segment of the population will inevitably be drawn to reformism, i.e., the path of least resistance. The reemerging of social democracy in the US is the very beginning of a radicalization process that will take decades more to continue.
>>391729 even so, an ML ought to be aware that Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Stalin all set a precedent of "ruthless criticism" towards other leftists. that's our job as well, isn't it?
>>391742 Oh yeah, of course. I'm constantly trying to convert my social democrat friends. The point is to not get frustrated with the process of history.
>>391745 good advice comrade.

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Anonymous 03/24/2020 (Tue) 14:48:04 No. 391638 [Reply] [Last]
what your perspective on esoteric nazism and the different split nazi groups that exist today ?
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>>391669 Oh I just meant fringe ideologies, commies aint into this religious bs
garbage
>>391701 Then sure but op's image is directly religious, there's way more fringe nazi offsplits.
>>391715 So whats the image fren?
it is literally just the same continual aesthetic chasing of the right

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Which Communist Leader is the Ultimate Chad? Anonymous 03/23/2020 (Mon) 01:57:07 No. 387901 [Reply] [Last]
Hard Mode: No Stalin. Stalin is the ultimate chad because >bankrobber >had sex with very young girls >did so in unlikely and socially outrageous scenarios >widely reviled as "just a thug" >defeated Hitler in the great battle of the Chads, labelling him forever an art school reject Virgin.
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>>390759 Shut up cuck
Just a reminder Che apologized for hating niggers and gays by the end of his life.
>>388023 being anti-idpol means hating the non whites and the non straights. fucking state of this
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based ho chi minh this needs no explanation and surpasses all. >america, france both btfod by absolutely pozzed peasants >led to decent and relatively unquestionable contemporary socialism that even anarchists draw little ire toward >according to a museum i visited, he worked alongside learning several languages and being a spy >sees your beard and freestyles on it >worldly champ >has his own city

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