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Herd Immunity in Burgerland Anonymous 09/17/2020 (Thu) 17:24:12 No. 876129 [Reply] [Last]
picrel wants herd immunity in america. What's the chance of this happening and how many people would have to die/be disabled? according to MSNBC its 6 million people
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>>877712 wow christ anon did not expect you to be that ruthless to the old. Is that what jesus would have wanted?
Here immunity is just a porky codeword for retracting all medical support and letting a large amount of people to die through lack of healthcare. Experts estimate close to 2 million people will die if “Herd immunity” is attempted in America
>>877833 try 6 million assuming current mortality rate holds
>>878109 >try 6 million assuming current mortality rate holds Long time since capitalists killed off than many people for blatant class warfare.
>Liberals complaining about 6 million less americans the less americans, the more chance at change there is

/Posadism General/ Anonymous 08/04/2020 (Tue) 22:59:15 No. 746095 [Reply] [Last]
Please discuss and share resources on this topic.
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>>746363 I can ask a European any time
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>>877855 Based
Two species that fit the same evolutionary niche, if introduced into the same environment, will ruthlessly compete against one another until one dies out, retreats or adjusts to a different niche. Why wouldn't the same thing play out between intelligent industrial species? Why would we possibly want to coexist?
ive always seen posadist memes but can someone TLDR is for me? how is it different from regular marxism or trotskyism?

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Thoughts on Erdogan? Anonymous 09/09/2020 (Wed) 19:58:32 No. 854246 [Reply] [Last]
https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/09/08/turkeys-strongman-recep-tayyip-erdogan-takes-to-the-world-stage >He is trying to reinvent himself as the voice of the umma (ie, Muslims everywhere) and also of the world’s poor. >A couple of years ago Mr Erdogan met the daughters of another black Muslim hero, Malcolm X, one of whom reportedly said the Turkish strongman embodied her late father’s legacy. Shortly afterwards, Turkey renamed a street near the new American embassy in Ankara “Malcolm X Avenue”. >Turkey’s president appears genuinely to view himself not only as the voice of all Muslims but of the whole global south. >Mr Erdogan has backed Nicolás Maduro’s repressive regime in Venezuela Is he the turkish Gaddafi?
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>>877542 You are forgetting the arabs, if you count them separately the alevis as well.
>>877992 but you just described him genociding Christian minorities and taking land. empire building
>>872872 He is supported by Nato against Russia China and iran but ok Dogu Princek. Keep funding tahir al sham
>>878019 >you just described him genociding Christian minorities Turks were getting cleansed. They cleansed back. >taking land Was Ottoman land already. >empire building Nope.
>>869811 Not with Trump in power, sure. Doesn't mean the "deep state" won't get their way eventually though.

How bad is war? Anonymous 09/06/2020 (Sun) 13:45:01 No. 844588 [Reply] [Last]
Is war really that bad? People say it's really really bad but I mean all it is is you get drafted go to a battlefield run forward and shoot. Sure you might get shot but you just fall and die basically instantly 90% of the time. What's war even like?
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Tbh dying as cannon fodder young sounds way better than passing away at 85 incapable of controlling my sphincter.
Its heaven if you die quickly from the blast instead of radiation poisoning or nerve gas.
>>867161 >Tbh dying as cannon fodder young sounds way better than passing away at 85 incapable of controlling my sphincter. What about losing control of your sphincter at what ever age you are now and living until like 60 something?
>>844588 Thanks for the Jezza image
>>877882 learn morse code >please kill me oh wait, you live in hell world where life is literally holy.

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Anonymous 09/17/2020 (Thu) 20:45:11 No. 876785 [Reply] [Last]
Why is this country ran by kulaks?
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>>876819 >>876836 Don't forget oil and minerals.
What do you mean? There are lots of Ukrainians I guess, but there is no kulak class so there aren’t any kulaks.
>>876853 The oil patch is dead. Cost of extraction is too high, all the heavy oil refineries are in the US and they are largely retooling to light oil processing due to fracking.
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>>876793 this doesn't get enough attention. there was a professor from the CPC-ML party who caused a Twitter war for talking about this. none of his colleagues openly denounced it, so I imagine most of them tacitly known he is correct. regardless, borscht is disgusting and every ukrainian I've met was a nationalist prick.
can a canadian explain why leafoid liberals and radlibs are so fucking bad they even outdo burger ones with their level of smarm and delusion your leftists are way cooler than american leftists though polite sage cause this isn't a very serious question

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The 101 Series: Materialism Vs. Idealism Anonymous 09/17/2020 (Thu) 19:57:10 No. 876604 [Reply] [Last]
I figure it would be useful to have a series of threads devoted to key concepts in leftist theory. I figured this would be a good starting topic as any. Scholars of the board, feel free to educate the booklets.
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>>877678 Are you just doing a "no u" or are you actually implying that maps exist independent of ideas waiting to be discovered, rather than being heavily influenced by preconceptions?
>>877686 Gravity exists independent of any human ever thinking about it. Science is just our abstraction of the law of nature. Humans formalizing these abstractions using constructs does not mean that nature itself is a construct. >muh preconceptions Try jumping from a cliff and see how much of physics is a man-made preconception.
>>877691 >Science is just our abstraction of the law of nature. Yeah, like I said. >>877674
>>877703 My point is: Territory exists independent of the map. The map being a construct does not mean the territory is a construct. We have to use language and symbols such to explain things, but those things exist regardless of any attempt to communicate them. It is those things that influence our life primarily, not our explanations of those things. Anybody believing else is an idealist brainlet.

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The decline of poverty under capitalism Anonymous 09/15/2020 (Tue) 16:52:51 No. 870503 [Reply] [Last]
Is it true that capitalism significantly reduced world poverty? Are neolibs right? This guy https://youtu.be/6Cq4hqUYGNo claims that world poverty isn't declining only because of China and that the "capitalism isn't reducing poverty at all" argument is false. Is that true?
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>>870503 Capitalism can reduce poverty, but socialist economics can reduce poverty even faster and more efficiently
>>876009 Capitalism can only reduce poverty after it first creates it by removing peasants from their lands.
>>872955 maybe but it shows that poverty is declining. >The point of socialism isn't just how much money you're making, but the fact that all the essential services like housing and medicine are provided for and guaranteed to all yes, but these things are getting better as well the argument shouldn't be that capitalism doesn't reduce poverty or worsens but that socialism does this better
>>870503 Ofc they are. Capitalism (and socialism in certain regions, ofc) did significantly reduce world poverty in the 20th century, that is an undeniable fact. What neolibs fail to recognize are two fundamental pieces of context: 1. The vast majority of these third-world countries were feudal or semi-feudal in economic structure, so their massive increase in virtually every aspect of life is still in line with Marxist history. 2. That the capitalism of today, the capitalism has ushered in this economic prosperity, is in a far more statist, centrally-planned form than at any previous point in human history. By defending this increase in human life as "the prosperity of capitalism", what they really have to accept is that the capitalism they praise is a Keynesian, relatively progressive capitalism that they almost certainly would've called "descending to socialism" had they been born thirty years earlier. Capitalist ideology can't seem to reconcile the fact that, in order for capitalism to continue its dominance, it needs to make ever-expanding concessions to the state and to the general welfare. Obviously, these concessions are made grudgingly and with ulterior motives, but the smart capitalists know how to accommodate this change, while the idiotic, ideological capitalists cling to their status quo and inevitably find themselves trampled. 3. That a large portion of the world population has either lived under or is still living under socialism, and that this coincides with the boom in prosperity. Beyond the fact that countries in the Soviet sphere benefited from this growth just as well as capitalist countries, in the present era, nations like Vietnam, Cuba, Laos, and China (dispute if these countries are socialist if you want, but it's undeniable that they are NOT the "laissez-faire" capitalism that neoliberals desire) have seen comparable growth, with China, Laos, and Vietnam actually seeing tremendous growth compared to the average neoliberal nation. So, while the info presented is correct, it is missing fundamental context that, when applied, actually paints a picture in favor of socialism and historical materialism, not against it.
>>877883 *three, fuck

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The right has no ideas Anonymous 09/11/2020 (Fri) 10:14:04 No. 858661 [Reply] [Last]
What I realized is that the right literally has no ideas. I'm talking about mainstream conservatives and neoliberals, and even to a large extent nationalists/fascists. Literally their whole political project is just paranoia and backlashing against shit the left proposes. Even moderate succdems like Sanders, etc. are the ones with all the ideas. Literally the only thing the right can do is just yell NUUUUUUUUU at every proposal. Even when you talk to younger (Gen Z) conservatives they don't even have any ideas, other than just "i hate socialism/whatever". This is for both cultural/social and economic issues. >let gays marry NUUUUUUUU >UBI NUUUUUUUU >national healthcare NUUUUUUUU >tax the rich NUUUUUUUU >regulate wallstreet NUUUUUUUU >make education a free like in yurop NUUUUUUUU >full employment NUUUUUUUU >literally anything cultural or economic

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Here are Donald Trump's campaign promises. Surely there are some new ideas here?: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trump-campaign-announces-president-trumps-2nd-term-agenda-fighting-for-you/
>>860224 without the electoral college not a single republican would have won in the 21st century
>>877777 cheka'd
>>877777 Holy cheka'd

Vox Founder:One Billion Americans Anonymous 09/17/2020 (Thu) 19:24:25 No. 876497 [Reply] [Last]
TLDR: America should increase birthrates and immigration in order to have one billion Americans to ensure America stays on top of China in the future. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sWKbr7hKP4
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>>876784 found the retard
no. Americans can't comprend marx.
>>877705 Explain further. Oh wait you can’t
>>876693 Hey man apparently we’re retarded for stating the obvious.
>>876497 How does Canada do it with 1/10th the population?

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Anonymous 09/10/2020 (Thu) 19:05:24 No. 856547 [Reply] [Last]
When we win and achieve communism, and so you won't need to work to survive anymore, what profession would you like to do? What will you do with your free time?
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Metaphysician
>>861164 Sure, but, the important thing here is the ammount of labor hours we are actually doing, frankly. If we spend 4 hours a day rather than 8-10-12 hours a day working a job like this then that is, ultimately, what the goal is. That still gives us more time to peruse our passions and desires. Communism has never been about abolition of labor communism is about giving workers control of production and their lives via the abolition of the commodity form.
>>856547 I will be dead by then comrades Fuck and Enjoy fully automated gay space luxury communism on my behalf Do it for every robot who didn't live to see the glorious stage of human evolution
>>861486 >If we spend 4 hours a day rather than 8-10-12 hours a day working a job like this then that is, ultimately, what the goal is. That still gives us more time to peruse our passions and desires. Oh, i agree with that definitely.
>>856547 I would fuck genetically engineered cat girls and do coke.

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