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Praxis - General Anonymous 03/03/2020 (Tue) 11:24:51 No. 320160 [Reply] [Last]
A place to discuss getting shit done on the ground. Ask and give advice, discuss and share resources on how to organize and take action locally.
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You may not like it, but this is what the ideal communist party looks like: Party members are members of both trade and tenants unions, not only this, but a certain department of the party will be trained so that they are active within these unions and are competent organisers in both these areas. If necessary, they can go knocking on doors and organise a neighbourhood, or salt a workplace and organise a workers union. So, at this point they would be attacking rent and profit, two main drivers of capital. One that is not organised around is interest, debtors servitude. The parties union department should be developing debtors unions. This is semi uncharted territory, but a very large area of exploitation. This section of the party should be actively dedicated to organising as many workplaces and neighbourhoods of renters into unions as possible The next department of the party is the community survival department which is divided into two stages. The first stage is the organisation of community survival programs. This may be anything that benefits a community. What benefits that community must be discerned by that community, thus this must be approached in a mass line fashion. The best way to achieve this in the immediate is to go round, knocking on doors, getting information and feed back, then through the party giving the people what they need, be that food, health clinics, shelter in the form of expropriated buildings, etc. The second stage of this is the long term stage, which recognises the protracted nature of the struggle. All of these programs are the basis from which support grows, they are applied in certain communities who are receptive to them and solidified and developed, in order to strengthen the organs of working class power for the eventual crisis in capitalism coming to a head. Thus, these community survival programs must have a strong economic base to work from, this should take the form of a network of co-operatives controlled by the party, with its workers fully unionised, with taxes on the co-operatives by the party, in order to fund the gradual development of the other survival programs, which might then include co-operative housing, as well as the funding of full time union agitators and political organisers >muh co-ops this is literally in the BPP ten point program

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>>332547 That's an awful joke.

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Racial/class politics in I, Robot Anonymous 03/23/2020 (Mon) 04:51:30 No. 388247 [Reply] [Last]
Rewatching I, Robot (2004) the first time since I was 11, high as balls and it blows me away how in your face and prominent racial oppression and class war were. Noticed absolutely nothing political about it as a dumb apolitical 11 year old and this is a crazy revelation (though it would be obvious as fuck it I watched it for the first time now.) Thoughts on the standpoint? Liberal, radical, reactionary. I'd say it's a mixture of the first 2 but closer to radical than this essay gives it credit for: https://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/104/Brayton104.htm
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>>388256 >Make a proto-communist society that is many times more efficient than human's i cant remember them being communist, where do you get that from?
>>388247 >it blows me away how in your face and prominent racial oppression and class war were IMO it's comically over the top in exactly the same way Bright is, right down to Will Smith being racist against the fantasy/scifi characters while being ~ironically~ a black man in the position more classically held by a white man. Shit, some of the exchanges come straight off /pol/ >Will Smith: Robots aren't like people. Can a robot write a symphony? >Robot: Can you? It's exactly the same shit as MUH EUROPEAN CULTURE used in contrast with nonwhites. /pol/ didn't make Renaissance art, but that never stopped them from using it as evidence why they're the übermensch. >>388256 >It's not super super woke Good. Wokeness is for liberals. And the wachowskis (being very hit or miss aside) are pretty obviously class pilled. The entire premise of The Matrix is trapping people in a spectacle so you can extract surplus value energy from them.
Based but >>>/hobby/
>>388262 They’re a computerized planned economy that literally needs nothing considering machines are immortal. They do compete on the international market, but manage to outcompete every human economy.
>>388547 basically chinks

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Anonymous 03/15/2020 (Sun) 19:22:58 No. 361230 [Reply] [Last]
Who was/is the ::worst:: leftist political leader, and how come? Hard mode: don't say Pol Pot
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>>361859 >inherits a robust economy from Khruschev that was growing so fast the west was seriously worried about being surpassed >leaves behind a stagnant economy in desperate need of reform, thus opening the door to Gorby's nonsense He also axed cybernetics to protect the bureaucrats' positions, dumped a stupid amount of money into conventional armed forces instead of relying on their much cheaper nuclear deterrent, and got them involved in Afghanistan.
>>382114 misleading term. *Gang of Five, because Mao supported them and sided with them in general. Also, Mao and Jiang both acknowledged excesses and took steps to correct them as far back as 1968. the GPCR was based. come to the Mao side
>>379653 peruvian bourgeois faggot and/or revisionist dengist getting mad? >>379742 yes, evidently
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fuck Gonzalo
>>361237 False. >>361243 False. based gypsy >>361408 False. >>361868 False. Literal circular logic ok the real answer is TITo. Not only did he fail to uphold socialism and was a piss poor at understanding market dynamics, he was also a bad LEADER in general, He could not stop sectarian tensions from destroying the country he fought for, he left the country at 15% unemployment, and he took many IMF loans allowing them to fuck up bosnia and croatia post civil war.

comrade rat Board volunteer 03/22/2020 (Sun) 22:13:24 No. 387115 [Reply] [Last]
Due to discontent among the users the thread-wise id's have been disabled for the time being again. The mods will discuss what has happened and communicate on the issue with you soon. It had been the opinion of the majority of the mods that thread-wise id would be helpfull against a substantial amount of same-posting that has been going on and derailing threads. Thank you for your understanding.
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>>388206 not necessarily samefagging, but it lets you take two approaches to a topic. for example if i think you're an idiot, someone might want to both troll you and have a reasonable argument to try and change your mind. add IDs and suddenly people have to pick - and they're never going to pick the high-effort reasoned argument over low effort trolling. >>388220 >Wouldn't you try to make bit more of an effort before posting anything if you know that subsequent posters will see how your posting progresses? no. perversely it's easier to never make an effort because if you make a mistake it will undermine your entire point for the entire thread. that might be okay if we had threads that last 5 hours, but we have threads that last for weeks. flags are a far superior identity forming system to IDs, particularly because they're totally optional. not unique like tripcodes, they introduce an element of genuine ambiguity to a long-term identity while still letting people guess if they wish. (plus obviously they let people signal their ideology without saying "as a posadist..." awkwardly in every post.)
>>388448 that is essentially useless information. if you want to make discussions easier to track, this site could really do with features like >highlighting your own posts (so you can easily visually identify them) >inline viewing of quoted posts (so if i click the post number below my post, for example, yours will open in a post-box within mine. after i post this reply, i can also click that reply to view it within yours, within mine, like a russian doll, without losing my place in the thread.) >(yous), although they come with disadvantages as well as advantages which would represent a genuine quality of life upgrade, unlike IDs. obviously they might take more programming effort, but something low-effort and overall detrimental has a far worse input-output ratio than high effort and beneficial.
>>388307 Really? There's a lot of it in this thread.
>>387419 >>387531 The fact that IPs are hashed is missing the point. It doesn't matter whether a single user is assigned an identity via real IP or hashed IP or fruit icons, it still functions as an identity. Thus the user is at best pseudonymous, which is not the same as anonymous.

News 3/21/20 News Anon 3.0 03/21/2020 (Sat) 23:43:30 No. 384516 [Reply] [Last]
Nasrallah: Hezbollah not involved in Amer Fakhoury's release Leader of Lebanon's most powerful force blames US pressure in the release of the man known as the 'Butcher of Khiam'. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/nasrallah-hezbollah-involved-amer-fakhoury-release-200321020333936.html German coronavirus cases rise by 2,705 to 16,662 The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Germany has risen by 2,705 within a day to reach 16,662, the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases said on Saturday. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-cases/german-coronavirus-cases-rise-by-2705-to-16662-idUSKBN2180FS Libya: Haftar's Army Suspends Fight for Tripoli Due to Covid-19 A few hours earlier, however, the fight for this city, which the Government of National Accord stills controls, was quite intense.In Tripoli's Ain Zara suburb, the LNA forces attempted to infiltrate areas defended by the GNA militias, which support the UN-backed government led by Fayez al Sarraj. https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Libya-Haftars-Army-Suspends-Fight-for-Tripoli-Due-to-Covid-19-20200321-0004.html Brazil's Sao Paulo to get two-week coronavirus shutdown, Bolsonaro blasts 'hysteria' Brazil’s largest state Sao Paulo will essentially shut down for two weeks to help fight the coronavirus, its governor said on Saturday, as President Jair Bolsonaro again claimed that “hysteria” over the outbreak could cause more harm than the virus itself. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil/brazils-sao-paulo-to-get-two-week-coronavirus-shutdown-bolsonaro-blasts-hysteria-idUSKBN2180WV ‘F***ing petrifying’: London hospital declares ‘critical incident’ as Covid-19 crisis cranks up pressure on UK healthcare system

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>>385830 >Do resellers get bulk discounts to the degree that they can still offer it for cheaper even after the price markup? That depends from where and when but sometimes there is some bulk bit discount. But I find that it's them buying out the stock so that they can demand a 4-5× the original price to make a profit. Otherwise we're talking about psychology and I don't know shit enough about it.
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>The International Criminal Court approved an investigation into US war crimes in Afghanistan. Mike "Grim Reaper" Pompeo infamous mobster-boss send a message in the form of a dead horse-head to family members of ICC staff.
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So how could the government give lenders and landlords the incentive and the liquidity to offer widespread forbearance? The quickest and most efficient way is by offering them tax credits, which is just an indirect and politically disguised way of sending them enough money to make them whole if they are willing to do the socially responsible thing. The conditions for a forbearance tax credit could be fairly simple and involve a minimum of government red tape. Any business with fewer than 500 employees that can certify that it has suffered more than a 75 percent decline in sales as a result of the pandemic, and has kept at least 75 percent of its employees on the payroll, could apply to lenders and landlords for forbearance. Lenders and landlords willing to provide such forbearance could then file for an immediate tax refund to cover for their eventual “loss” from all of the workouts they negotiate. In economic terms, the size of the credits would be roughly equal to the interest they could have earned if they had received their payments on time, and the interest they have to pay to borrow the temporary cash necessary to service their own debts. For its part, the Internal Revenue Service could work out simple formulas for calculating the economic costs. And it could require that the amended return be audited by a certified public accountant who has reviewed the applications from tenants and borrowers. For the program to be effective, the tax credit would also have to be refundable — that is, retain its full value even if the landlord or lender did not pay any taxes the previous year. (That’s not uncommon in the real estate world. Just ask Donald Trump.)
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>>388372 https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/22/economy-stimulus-coronavirus/ sorry everyone im addicted to shitty opinion pieces. at least the most upvoted comment is something close to leftist

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"And then one day, for no reason at all, the Red Army rose to power." Anonymous 03/23/2020 (Mon) 05:02:23 No. 388269 [Reply] [Last]
You know this thing almost all complex animals do for a large chunk of their lives and leaves them so incredibly vulnerable that it must have some serious (as yet undetermined) benefit? Let's just fuck with that without actually understanding it and see what happens.

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Anonymous 03/23/2020 (Mon) 04:29:42 No. 388217 [Reply] [Last]
Why are they like this?
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Bumplocked because seems to promote low effort discussion. It is more fit to be posted in /usapol/ or /ig/
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>>388246 Case in point: https://www.unz.com/article/u-k-s-repulsive-reality-reflections-on-leftist-witch-hunting-and-the-andrew-sabisky-affair/ It's worth noting that Sabisky once mentioned the supposed benefits of weekly modafinil would be "worth a dead kid a year". Strangely enough, these same types who screech about abortion and "wave slavery" have no problem or don't seem to realize the flagrant cognitive dissonance they're displaying. Believe me, I've asked many a reactionary about this - not once have they ever given me a straight answer. It's almost as if fascism has no basis in consistent or coherent beliefs. 🤔
>>388238 >You know, I might've expected a more anti-capitalist sentiment from a subreddit sarcastically called r/ConsumeProduct than A lot of "anti-consooomer" stuff is reactionary because it attacks, well, consumers rather than owners, and divorced from class relations. You can see a "left" version of this that attacks consumers of property in gentrifying neighborhoods -- culpable as they may be -- as opposed to landlords and developers. What it ends up devolving into is just identity politics irrationally buttmad that people are consoooming the "wrong" things. I just went to the sub for instance and there is one post that says: "Consoom foreign culture and globalize, forget your identity." What they're offering instead is an "authentic," but totally manufactured, white Christian identity or whatever that you can buy into.
>>388271 >You can see a "left" version of this that attacks consumers of property in gentrifying neighborhoods -- culpable as they may be -- as opposed to landlords and developers. useful way of articulating this. thanks

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🦀🦀🦀 WEINSTEIN HAS CORONAVIRUS 🦀🦀🦀 Anonymous 03/22/2020 (Sun) 22:28:18 No. 387187 [Reply] [Last]
https://deadline.com/2020/03/coronavirus-harvey-weinstein-positive-test-prision-1202889800/ >Just days after being transferred to the Wende Correctional Facility from NYC’s Rikers Island, the Oscar winning producer and convicted rapist is now in medical isolation, an Empire State law enforcement official confirms to Deadline. Under the policy that they “cannot comment on an individual’s medical record,” New York State’s Department of Corrections representatives did not respond to request for direct confirmation. “Our team …has not heard anything like that yet,” said Weinstein PR chief Juda Engelmayer on Sunday. “I can’t tell you what I don’t know,” the producer’s personal rep added.
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This should go to /cvg/.

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/crisis/ the video vidanon 03/12/2020 (Thu) 23:27:43 No. 352321 [Reply] [Last]
So I gathered screencaps from the opening bell to the closing bell, I heard your electoralist voices and I'm really hesitating between the two musics (even if Cirno technically won but come on). I made this shitpost while the Lil Jon/Cirno struggle was going on : https://voca.ro/fWFGea6pFw5 (version with a long intro https://voca.ro/7d5ZhENSjSb) Looking out for AEnon, I use Resolve for editing but if we can have some compositing on top of it that would be great.
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>>384352 Please do
Tomorrow is going to be even more interesting than last monday oh I am feeling it in my jellies.
how's it going with the project?
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>>388028 I don't want to touch anything in case we get another three crashes next week. I have other shit to do. I have friends and family to take care of. The video is never going to get finished. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH This isn't what I signed up for.
>>388048 Comrade its alright, you should focus on the people you care about. That and hope no one gets sick from Corona chan getting into their lungs.

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On the subject of thread IDs Anonymous Board volunteer 03/22/2020 (Sun) 21:19:27 Id:9c9588 No. 386800 [Reply] [Last]
Hello, I'm caballo, one of the moderators, I wanted to make a statement about this current issue to clear up some possible misconceptions and try to avoid the discussions from spilling over onto the whole board. Q: Why would you do this??? A: I felt that this would make it easier for people to carry on civilised discussions with each other without having to worry about mistaking each other or saying "I'm the same anon as this post" constantly, and so on. Another volunteer posed the issue as being about preventing samefagging, and it could possibly help with that, but I want to make clear that I personally did not approve this vote because I felt it was some drastic decision to tackle that issue. Q: Why did you not consult us about such a major decision? A: It is worth noting that this vote was announced in the moderation topic and a few people gave their opinions (as the manifesto dictates) but honestly, I did not consider it personally to be a major decision at the time. In retrospect, perhaps that is foolish, but I was really just considering this as a 'quality of life upgrade'. I do not use 4chan or other boards with user IDs so perhaps I did not appreciate that they might significantly change the face of discussion. I also did not realise that it would be such a controversial change and that people's feelings would be so heated. Q: I'm leaving the board because of this! A: Well anon, that isn't really a question, but please don't say anything rash like that, I personally apologise if this change upset you and ruined your day. I genuinely feel bad that people are upset over this and feel hurt by it. Q: Will you remove these IDs? A: I can't honestly tell you that right now, due to the nature of our internal moderation democracy decisions are not always made quickly and once they are made can be difficult to change. I personally have been swayed by some of the more lengthy and constructive criticism that users have made, and I no longer think thread IDs in their current implementation are a good idea. If they are to be used on leftypol, we should certainly have a longer and more thorough consultation about it that respects the users' feelings. I will keep you up to date on this process. Q: Do you represent the rest of the mods? A: No, I only represent myself, however I can tell you that almost all of us do feel bad that this has caused so much consternation and many of the mods also voted against the original decision also.

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>>387647 >>387600 >>387574 Based arbitrary contrarians.
>>387365 regular liberal socialism wins
>>387403 >like where do you go then 7chan(which was 8chan many years before 8chan) has user ids
>>388020 Yes, and it was a mistake. The 7chan moderation approach was also largely a mistake, the elitism was pretty funny at first but eventually we just ended up driving away all our potential new users, and we were left talking to ourselves, all the more blatantly obvious because of the IDs. 7chan user since /b/-day here.


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