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White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo, doctor of philosophy in being woke Anonymous 07/01/2020 (Wed) 21:32:22 No. 659219 [Reply] [Last]
>The feedback I have heard repeatedly from people of color is that when they hear a white person claim to have been taught to treat everyone the same, they are not thinking, “All right! I am now talking to a woke white person!” Quite the opposite; some version of eye-rolling is taking place as they sign the white person off as unaware and brace themselves for yet another exchange based in white denial and invalidation. Let's read it. It's just pure ideology anyway. I haven't finished it yet. >Ctrl+F "Marx" >0 results Yep, it's trash. The book mentions race over ~130 times, but only mentions class ~20 times. That's all you need to know. Besides, what the hell would an Italian-American know about white fragility anyway? 😹
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>>659434 >because the hierarchal power axis appearently doesn't matter, only the racial one does, and therefore you stand with a book that doesn't equip the reader to deal with racism in the workplace very well at all It's somewhat bizarre that this doesn't come up at all given that this is a huge thing among the "women in the workplace" crowd.
>>659219 This book and the support it receives is proof that academia and most of the mainstream media is being directed to push liberal race war bullshit. >>659284 Anti-idpol is good, get the fuck off this site if you think otherwise.
>>659929 >Channel-switching (“The true oppression is class!”) This is the mark of a system of circular reasoning. DiAngelo literally considers any attempt to debunk her claims as evidence that they are true.
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https://helenlewis.substack.com/p/the-bluestocking-woke-capitalism <Let’s take another example of Woke Capitalism. Here’s the New York Times bestseller list: <Yes, Robin DiAngelo is white. Her book is for white people, encouraging them to think about what it’s like to be white. (It tells white women off for crying if they get upset during anti-racism training, because it will stir memories of Emmett Till among the other participants.) I am boggled by the American book-buying public’s response to Black Lives Matter being . . . to buy a book about whiteness written by a white person. <This is worse than mere navel-gazing; it’s synthetic activism, which makes you feel full of piety and righteousness without having actually done anything. In America, buying a book on White Fragility improves the lives of the most marginalised far less than say, donating to a voting rights charity or volunteering at a foodbank. It’s pure hobbyism. As Freddie deBoer wrote recently: “Because the popular conception of fighting racism, sexism, and homophobia imagines those fights to be matters of moral and mental hygiene — because they define anti-racism et al as things you are rather than things you do — the snake will forever swallow its tail.” <Why is DiAngelo’s book so popular? Again, look at economics. Every big company has recently poured money into “diversity training”. But it is often no more scientifically grounded than Myers-Briggs: the “implicit bias” test is controversial and the claim that it can predict real world behaviour (never mind reduce bias) is a shaky one. But it looks like something solid and quantitative - ooh! a test score! - and therefore metrics-obsessed modern companies (ie all of them) love it. People have been given the idea that confronting their own bias is the best way to address racism. (Also, let’s be honest, there are probably quite a lot of people who have bought White Fragility because they think of themselves as the kind of person who would read a book like that, without actually wanting to read a book like that. It’s a Social Justice Brief History of Time.) <Anyway, here’s Harvard Kennedy School professor of public policy Iris Bohnet: <“About $8 billion a year is spent on diversity trainings in the United States alone. Now, I tried very hard to find any evidence I could. I looked not just in the United States but also in Rwanda and other post-conflict countries, where reconciliation is often built on the kind of diversity trainings that we do in our companies, to see how this is working. Sadly enough, I did not find a single study that found that diversity training in fact leads to more diversity.” <Eight billion dollars a year! Imagine if you put that money into, say, paying all your junior staff a wage which allows them to live in the big city where your company is based, without needing help from their parents. You’d probably do more good at increasing your company’s diversity. Hell, get your staff to read White Fragility on their own time and give your office cleaners a pay rise. Pic unrelated.
Whites are 56% and blacks 14% of the US total population. Meaning 30% of the country is missing from this book. But, if you adjust for age, it is actually much more misguiding than that, for people under 50 whites are about 40-45%, and black roughly the same share. The book essentially ignores almost half of the country, and realistically where is should be the most relevant, it misses the mark even more. Whites live far more rurally than any other demographic, and blacks live far more often in the city centre. The place where you have the most of the race-class issues are the cities, here the upper class is actually quite diverse, as the population is far more hispanic, asian, and black. It also varies a lot by city. Even on its premise the book does not apply. The CEO of google is an Indian progressive, if he has racist attitudes, it's going to be interlinked with his exposure to the cast system as a bhramin. Or we can look the centre of the stock exchange in the US and international banking, New York. This city is 30-40% Jewish, meaning you cannot get anywhere in the halls of power unless you are an ardent zionist. Bloomberg couldn't even stop the Hasidic community from slaughtering live sin chickens on the open streets and swinging them above their heads.

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Monkey Labour Anonymous 07/03/2020 (Fri) 08:09:54 No. 663016 [Reply] [Last]
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>>668511 man hiteler drank water man fuck water water is fascist
>>668605 >hitler is not infamous for drinking water >hitler is infamous for failing to recognize the traits of humanity that grant them rights and valuing the "dignity" of animals and other objects over that of fellow men
>>668626 Hitler was a vegetarian because meat fucked up his stomach Fuck off, Nature hating productivist
>>668511 This is as objectively retarded as the anon that argues that being anti-racit is opposed to leftism

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What would you say was the finest hour in communist history? Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 02:02:35 No. 665086 [Reply] [Last]
Imo it's a toss up between >Victory at Stalingrad >February Revolution >Battle of Berlin >Battle of Dien Bien Phu >Birth of the First International >Founding of the Rainbow Coalition
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>>670955 >>670964 (me) Not only that, but imo I know people will say this is spooked but honestly the Battle of Stalingrad was at one time: >The truest battle of good and evil the world had ever seen >A battle between forces explicitly fighting for the liberation of all mankind and an army explicitly fighting to exterminate most of the world and enslave the rest >The ultimate battle between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie
>>670965 This. Stalingrad is as close to a "Battle of Pelennor Fields" scenario as you're gonna get. Even if you have qualms with the USSR and think they're an unjust authoritarian state the Slavs serving in the Red Army were literally fighting for their lives and the lives of their families. If they lost, Generalplan Ost would have exterminated all of them.
>>670981 Not just that The Nazis already controlled pretty much all of Western Europe and much of Eastern Europe Had the Soviets lost a swastika would have flown over the whole continent save for UK and the other countries that were already fascist
>>670955 siege of leningrad is another good one, so heroic and such that the soviets had to slightly underplay their efforts to make the other battles look just as good
>>665086 Liberation of Saigon or Bagration

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News 7/4/20 News Anon 3.0 07/04/2020 (Sat) 17:54:58 No. 666410 [Reply] [Last]
Former soldiers angered by UK plans for Iraq war crimes 'amnesty' The draft law, known as the Overseas Operations Bill, proposes to prevent service personnel from being prosecuted for any crime committed more than five years earlier, other than in exceptional circumstances.It would also protect British forces from prosecution in the UK for war crimes or crimes against humanity once those crimes were more than five years old. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-military-iraq-war-crimes-torture-amnesty North Korea says no need to sit down with U.S. for talks North Korea does not feel the need to have talks with the United States, which would be nothing more than “a political tool” for Washington, a senior North Korean diplomat said on Saturday, ahead of a U.S. envoy’s visit to South Korea. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-southkorea/north-korea-says-no-need-to-sit-down-with-u-s-for-talks-idUSKCN24506N Explosion, Fire Break Out at Iranian Electric Power Station, State Media Report A video and photos circulated around social media show the fire that allegedly broke out after "an explosion occurred at one of the power generators," Al Arabiya quoted the head of the local fire department as saying, and added that the explosion is likely to be a result of high temperatures. https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/.premium-explosion-fire-break-out-at-iranian-electric-power-station-state-media-report-1.8969551 https://archive.is/WLbpS Venezuela: Arrest warrants for Guaido's ad hoc central bank board Saab said the orders of apprehension were requested for the crimes of treason, usurpation of functions and association to commit crimes. He added that all those involved lived outside the country, and did not rule out international actions to carry out the arrests. https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/venezuela-arrest-warrants-guaido-ad-hoc-central-bank-board-200703194014985.html https://archive.is/6pKzw

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>>667203 >implying anarchists want women
>>669949 They imagine themselves as the woman
>>669953 cute and cutepilled
>>669953 Proudhon would be so disappointed. But he's dead so who gives a fuck what that dude thinks.
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>>666495 >Julian Assange and the new McCarthyism <Assange was systematically and interminably defamed by reference to allegations of rape, now dropped: “The result is that Assange has become a pariah. Has anybody an explanation why these smear campaigns work.

>>671085 Issue being that the rate was way higher than we knew initially. COVID was spreading through the USA pretty well even in February, and was thought to have first landed here in January. Also a lot of the states that are reporting very high numbers now are also well known to have falsified numbers downward greatly, and the excess death count is not looking as hot as the "Covid death" count.
>>672058 I told you this two threads ago.
>>672058 >article says heard immunity may not be the answer >attached video argues mostly that herd immunity is the answer what?
Brazil’s President Bolsonaro tests positive for COVID-19 https://apnews.com/8ceb44235a63dfb59da10f2ceffb9160

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The Gervais Principle Anonymous 07/06/2020 (Mon) 13:48:17 No. 670348 [Reply] [Last]
It isn't really related to left politics, but have you read this? What did you think? https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/
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>>670738 At one point in my life I spent a lot of time around management consultants. That's people who are called in to be expert sociopaths when the c-suites feel a little squeamish or don't think they'd be good enough at it. Came away with the impression that they're kind of like a religious cult. They're very ideological and expend a lot of energy convincing themselves and each other what they do is right and good. Whenever they're faced with contradicting evidence, they sort of blank out. I don't really have a point here, just wanted to share how creepy and fucked up it was. They didn't do it on purpose, I was in stealthmode, but I experienced such gaslighting from them I felt really unstable for a while.
>>670348 this is partially true, but at the heart of it, this is still an analysis that mimics agent-modelling where Agents are defined in terms of their behavioural program, put into a world, and then the simulation is run. And while this can produce some correct analysis and predictions, it's not really capable of taking into account systemic trends, because neither an organisational structure nor an individuals operating in can be independent, certain dynamics will rise have a material effect and then modify circumstances for new dynamics to become dominant. Some other aspect here is that it lacks a coherent class analysis, and is trying to encode class conflict into personal attributes which is obviously going to fail.
Gervais theory is great and helped me to understand the dynamics of acquisition and financialization. Would recommend watching Shark Tank after reading this book.
Marxists should do pop culture economics like the Gervais Theory and The Economics of Seinfeld. https://www.yadayadayadaecon.com/
>>671180 Like this one about Shrek by Cuck Philosophy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWbaUnbo-_c

Ayn Rand Anonymous 07/06/2020 (Mon) 19:05:53 No. 671041 [Reply] [Last]
So aside from her stance on lazze-faire capitalism, what are your thoughts as to her philosophy, I personally think it's a somewhat spooked 'version' of anarcho-egoism, but I'm not well educated on the subject.
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>>671048 I was refering to shit other than capitalism, evryone here agrees it's shit, but I wanna know about opinions on her philosophy and the premises behind it, if it's valid or just as fucked as the capitalist bit
it's intellectualized selfishness. being an asshole but for ivy grads
>>671048 something about this meme really just pisses me off, I can’t tell what it is
if Nietzche is the father of edgelords, she is the mother
>>671127 probably how condescending it is kek

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ContentOP#NKmJ6z 07/06/2020 (Mon) 04:10:32 No. 669639 [Reply] [Last]
/Media creation/ and sourcing thread. Hi there I'm making a video rebuttal to "Is Fascism Capitalism in decay?" by a YouTuber C T. I'm looking to source some material for the video and my Marxism folder has some gaps. REQUESTS Does anybody have the picture where Hitler is appealing to the Working class and Rich differently? It's like NATIONAL socialist DEUTSCH arbeiter PARTEI and national SOCIALIST deutsch ARBEITER PARTEI Also any info and sourcing you have on the capitalist nature of Fascist Italy from early 20s through the late 30s
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>>669786 samefagging to post the right link to bordiga's text: https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1922/bordiga02.htm
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>>669784 Still undecided on channel theme I am considering the name "Red Detective" With pic rel as Icon
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I don't know what (if anything) from Otto Köhler is available in English, he is a very old German author who has written tons about the Nazi connections of the German elites. He's still writing for junge Welt at the moment. Perhaps this is out of your scope, but Emil Julius Gumbel wrote about how lenient the German state apparatus treated far-right murderers of left-wingers in the 1920s. It's not impressionistic, but serious statistical work. Again, I don't know how much of that is available in English. >>669818 Agent Academic
>>669818 If you want, you can give me an image and instructions of how you want the banner to look like and I'll do that

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Audio thread Anonymous 08/28/2019 (Wed) 14:29:26 No. 46642 [Reply] [Last]
Post audio sources
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What is Fascism by Taimur Rahman A lecture at LUMS based on Richard Wolin's book "The Seduction of Unreason" on how counter-enlightenment ideas formed the basis of the fascist reaction to modernity. And how these ideas in turn laid the foundation for much of existential and post-modernist ideas. https://invidio.us/watch?v=2Fe9PUFW0Uk https://invidio.us/watch?v=pXUOqnnVlnk
>caring about theory >won't even read it Fucking radlibs
What is “Stalinism” and how appropriate is the use of this term from the perspective of Marxist political science? https://invidio.us/watch?v=ge6NVuy4JCo
Anyone have the audiobook for Engel's The Origin of the Family?
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>>661306 >Engel's The Origin of the Family here https://invidio.us/watch?v=8W2GaAs5VLo

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Is the United States now 1930's Spain? Anonymous 06/27/2020 (Sat) 18:19:32 No. 646501 [Reply] [Last]
>Unstable clown government getting weaker every second >Both sides of the political spectrum getting more radical >Tensions brewing between political groups and police >Many people preparing for civil war, as it seems inevitable at this point It might not be the perfect historical fit, but damn, does it come close.
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>>653233 Somehow I doubt AMLO will supply left wing American guerillas should they pop up
>>646590 Whatever the original purpose of the can was, the propellant is likely butane or some other light hydrocarbon.
>>646537 ideology is not a fixed thing. we now have millions of “liberals” that are being threatened with eviction or have been evicted already.
>>671018 Trots always say that

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