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Virginia Protest General: Extra 'Murican Edition Anonymous 12/17/2019 (Tue) 20:11:11 No. 165948 [Reply] [Last]
What it is: Habbening in VA on January 2Oth

What type of happening: Right-wing rally and possible revolution/civil war.

4pol thread:
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>>218456 Liberals aren't our comrades and we support gun rights so...
>>218462 you don't support gun rights for the "chuds", you're just scared of being blown away by them
>>218465 You don't support gun rights for the "soybois". Right lies on absolutes, the left is honest because we never claimed them.
Please internet friends don’t actually go to this shit show and be beaten / murdered by some /pol/yp because you wanted to tell john huff and Terrence sckrewdriver about how Marx liked gun ownership
>>218568 I think it's safe if you stick with other leftists/antifa and focus on being present more than anything

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Jason Unruhe calling out the Idpol "left" Anonymous 01/15/2020 (Wed) 22:51:30 No. 215334 [Reply] [Last]
Jason Uhruhe arguing we need masculinity back, healthy masculinity not reactionary "muh 1950s" nonsense. He implies in the video this capitalist decadence, feminization of men is making it impossible for men to fight back and improve our material conditions. A video destroying the fake new SJW "left". Great video. >https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qsc2ClXE_vQ [Open]
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>>218409 >What’s important is that grip strength in men leads to increased support for economic redistribution Finally we solved the problem about finding out who is revisionist , who has the correct political line, who is the better anarchist, .... we just give people the grip-o-meter and who ever makes the needle go further gets more vanguard, class consciousness, and reverse hierarchy points. this is fun, but bio-politics isn't reliable.
>>217616 Both bad.
>>218440 Except that's exactly what an ad hom is. Nothing is refuting any thing he said.
>>218521 If he doesn't think it's important enough to do, why should I care?
>>218546 >a fat guy told me to workout, why should I care? Because it's not about caring, the point is whether or not he's right.

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Virtue Signaling and Performative Politics Anonymous 01/18/2020 (Sat) 03:09:28 No. 218549 [Reply] [Last]
It's a bit of a shame that "virtue signaling" became a bit of a right-wing buzzword because it absolutely a real thing. Ironic especially because signalling how virtuous you are appears to be the whole appeal of right-wing politics to conservatives and reactionaries. Though I will say that the right has actual political goals beyond just looking virtuous, whereas liberals seem to be into their politics entirely just to appear virtuous. But it seems to be dangerous at this particular moment because of the US and her allies ramping up imperialist aggression and rhetoric. Since modern imperialist propaganda is couched firmly in "humanitarian" rhetoric, you get the phenomenon of large numbers of self-identified "leftists" parroting imperialist talking points because they care more about appearing virtuous than actual geopolitical outcomes. I noticed this with pretty much anyone that complains about "tankies" these days. "Tankie" now no longer meaning M-L, but literally anyone questioning the Western line after it's been anointed in the holy language of humanitarianism. I was arguing with one guy about China (I was saying that all that's been proven is that they have a big rehabilitation program for religious extremism, any claim beyond that is unfounded conjecture which is important because this sort of thing will be used as justification for some form of aggression against China), but it became clear to me that this guy didn't really care about what was happening in Xinjiang or the global politics surrounding it. What mattered was that he was a kindhearted, virtuous person who doesn't deny genocide, whereas I'm a piece of shit who denies genocide and is probably racist as well. We were speaking two different languages, me talking about the history of imperialist propaganda, the geopolitical situation, etc, and him talking about my apparent moral failings with the airs that I'm making him and his compatriots look bad. I've seen people comment that with each passing day we come closer to a politician or mainstream political commentator denouncing "tankies" and when it happens, it will be specifically because of this bunch, which is a sign of how prevalent it is within our politics, and it makes operating in that sphere almost impossible because it becomes less about actual politics and more about moralistic dickwaving. And it's incredibly easy for bad actors to come up with ways to portray the imperialist and neoliberal line as virtuous and woke. Claim that the US orchestrated a coup in a foreign country? Stop saying that those people don't have their own agency, you racist. Don't think people getting killed in a civil war constitutes a "genocide"? Wow, you're just like a neo-nazi denying the Holocaust. And so on. What's the most rich to me is how privilege checking culture has gone imperialist. Already as useless to curing actual social ills as self-flagellation was to curing the plague (and with the same implication behind this apparent act of contrition and humility being a haughty declaration of one's own moral superiority above the common, degenerate rabble), apparently the only reason you'd go against Western liberal's virtuous line is because of how privileged and sheltered you are. If you just checked your fucking privilege, you'd join the chorus denouncing the evil, uncivilized oriental despotisms that just happen to have an antagonistic relationship to the Western powers. What do we do about this? Is there a way to shut this shit down? It may be more important than ever now that we're actively flirting with World War 3.

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/IG/ - Internet General 7.0 - IRONY edition Anonymous 12/22/2019 (Sun) 06:49:19 No. 184649 [Reply] [Last]
Discuss e-celebs, lefty youtube, twitter, twitch, etc. Last one hit bump limit. What does /leftypol/ think of people saying things ironically? Inspired by >>184629 but by all means let's talk about irony in general too. How does irony function in online politics? Is it just a smokescreen? Is it sometimes not? Can we even tell the difference?
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>>218482 AT LAST I TRULY SEE
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>>218482 Reminder to my fellow friends to browse Bunkerchan in a safe way, anonymize your comms and think twice on links or odd requests. GNU/Linux VPN Tor Browser (sec. lvl: Safest) Nameless, genderless, nationless.
>>218503 lmao is just a loser playing police on twitter that never set foot on leftypol
>>218482 OMG he knows that I use this site... and maybe knows what porn I search. Honestly. That twitter warrior is a nobody or a fucking failson gestapo agent. Don't know which is worse tho.

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News 1/17/20 News Anon 3.0 01/17/2020 (Fri) 22:07:32 No. 218290 [Reply] [Last]
Bolivian Senate Approves Extending Coup Government Mandate The Chamber of Senators of Bolivia, approved on Thursday the draft Law on the Extension of the Constitutional Mandate of Elected Authorities, which allows the de facto government to remain in power until May 3 when new elections are held. https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/bolivian-senate-approves-extending-coup-government-mandate-20200116-0021.html Iraqis capture ISIS mufti so obese a TRUCK has to take him into custody, sparking slew of Twitter memes A top ISIS leader dubbed ‘Jabba the Hutt’ has been captured in Mosul – but proved so obese that removing him from his bolthole required the assistance of a truck, drawing a deluge of memes and jokes at his expense on social media. https://on.rt.com/a98d Left wing? You may be on police extremism list THE Home Office has lumped together left-wing groups and green campaigners with neo-nazis and white supremacists in literature and posters supposedly designed to educate officers about extremism. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/left-wing-you-may-be-on-police-extremism-list South Sudan rivals agree to meet unity government deadline South Sudan President Salva Kiir and opposition leader Riek Machar in their latest talks this week also agreed that key outstanding issues under the country’s 2018 peace deal would be arbitrated within 90 days of the new government’s formation, South African Deputy President David Mabuza said Thursday. https://apnews.com/255ef99a16e5b44318c574a0da50b65e 'Like going back 40 years': dismay as Bolsonaro backs abstinence-only sex ed

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Three Neo-Nazis Arrested Over Plot To Murder Antifa Couple https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/three-neo-nazis-arrested-over-plot-to-murder-antifa-couple >The alleged plan would focus on killing a Georgia couple who were “high-ranking Antifa members.” The defendants are also accused of discussing a separate plan to kill another The Base member who was aware of the plan, but was “too stupid” to keep quiet about it, the affidavit states. >“Lane believed killing the couple would ultimately send the right message and show that the previous actions undertaken by antifascists like VICTIM 1 and VICTIM 2, such as doxing white supremacists, would not continue to go unpunished,” the affidavit reads.
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>>218490 >The proles are so alienated and uneducated that they'll fail to build any society If you compare this to last century where most of were illiterate...
>>218502 Last century they were far more socially interconnected.
>>218451 I'm not ready tbqfh but then again no one is
>>218512 what are you talking about? most people lived in isolated villages. Are you projecting your own live on others or what ?

/leftybritpol/ Anonymous 12/25/2019 (Wed) 15:52:04 No. 187602 [Reply] [Last]
Republic of Great Britain soon edition. >he's still alive, we swear!
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>>218400 I love how the snp symbol is a noose to hang Scotland with
>>218413 it's actually a pretty cleverly designed logo ( https://www.andrewcusack.com/2010/the-clootie-dumpling/ ) though the fascist looking square 1980s version was ill thought out for a civic nationalist party.
>>218417 There are huge countries that manage to work out federalism, but liberals have convinced millions of people from a tiny island that they need to split off into an even tinier country. It's obvious divide and rule strategy
>>218460 most federations are pretty sucky when you dig down into how they're run tbh. the big problem with a federation is that you either give Scotland/Wales/Ireland borrowing powers (in which case you run into all the problems of giving them fiscal control without monetary control), or you don't (in which case you're no better off than under devolution.). Countries like America, Canada and Australia (sort of) work because the federal government is reasonably good at making the proper fiscal transfers to states and because people are reasonably willing to move between states for work, but that doesn't work as well in a Britain type situation where you have multiple distinct nations and people tend to be much more strongly attached to their local communities. that's before you get into questions about what matters should be federal and which should be local, the problem of England (even if you break it up into counties for election purposes, English national identity still exists.), constitutional wrangling (gah, written constitutions...), etc. ultimately i'd prefer to see a very close British confederation or a full unitary state. (maintaining a wonderful tradition of having opinions that alienate everyone.)

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/brg/ - Brazil General Comrade 08/09/2019 (Fri) 01:03:24 No. 18835 [Reply] [Last]
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>>218404 You are not alone, most people were wandering what the fuck was going on with the cross which still doesn't have any sort of special meaning in the cringesphere as far as I know. There's a way to the left to reclaim that legacy if anyone cares for some Christian socialism, Clovis Lugon wrote an interesting book about the Jesuit rule called Republica Guarani.
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>>218431 I figured maybe the guy was born in that region and googled for his birthplace, but didn't manage to find anything. He is, however, a "fervorous Catholic" since 2017, after recovering from cancer, which he attributed to a miracle. Until then a leftist (presumably of the ciranda flavor, as I can't find much information about him) and a firm atheist -- I sense a pattern here -- his religious turn was followed by appreciation for my friend and yours, OLAVOOOOO. At least he didn't go full basic-bitch convert by become another fairweather evangelic. I guess this explains that cross. He headed one Club Noir, a renowned theater company, since 2006, which however closed its doors last June. The artist attributed it to, of course, political persecution by his fellow artists who had, up until recently, respected him abloo bloo bloo. But he didn't have any problems finding a job, as he was appointed head of Funarte the same fucking month. Cue the 0 _days_without_mamata.jpg again. Notice, again, how the bastards normalized all the "old politics" simply by doing it shamelessly, and will never face repercussions. At any rate, he immediately called on his fellow reactionary artists to create a "cultural war machine". In September, Veja revealed he tried to hire his wife's company for a sweet $3,5m government contract, for which he's now under investigation (and let me point out that an investigation surrounding such a glaring offense is the sort of systemic flaw of bougie democracy which we ought to correct). Other sections of the office managed to block the deal, which reinforces the importance of a mix of appointed and professional staff positions in public organs. Later on, Fernanda Montenegro posed as a witch about to be burned for a cultural magazine, which TRIGGERED him to no end. He whined all the self-victimization that rightwingers rattle off like reading from a script, she offended me and millions of Brazilians, this was a serious aggression against Brazil and the federal government blah blah blah. In november, his mamata was upgraded to the position he just lost. He got to appoint his successor, a similar cretin who made cretinous statements about satanism in rock music. This isn't a joke, by the way. He also made the soon-to-be-blocked nomination of professional house nigger and tranny admirer Sérgio Nascimento (>>142581), which is more or less another mamata. In December, the cap for Rouanet projects was raised from 1m to 10m (incidentally, the limit to 1m would have killed, among other things, the São Paulo Bienal, MASP, MAM, the official symphonic orchestras of both the couontry and the São Paulo state), but even when going back on their own crimes, this bunch manages to fuck up in the form of badly written regulation. And here we are now, with the Goebbels shtick. The one good thing which can be attributed to him was firing someone appointed before his time at the culture secretary once he discovered she was a failed candidate at the previous elections and was in hot water because her campaign expense declarations were rejected. Or so he claims. She says she was fired for disagreeing with him. I checked her party, and it's PSD, an opposition party implying the government has a single fucking party in their base by now. He provides an interesting case study for my thepry of the reactionary pathology. He looks like a textbook case, yet has only recently been so after literally converting. I have to look into his past and see if he displayed the reactionary flavor of anti-social behavior before then.
>>218469 Oh, and I forgot what might be the best detail. While researching for that post, I found out that Roberto Alvim was nominated head of the culture secretary as it was being transferred between ministries. It was at the ministry of citizenship (citizenry?), and is now housed at the ministry of tourism. Yes, culture is subordinate to tourism. Isn't this a perfect reflex of the lumpen mentality of our ruling classes?
Yet another little detail I learned when researching this latest effortpost. There is one Saint Chad, and he even has a cross design named after him. Is there meme potential?
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>>218488 The Virgin Mary vs The Saint Chad

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how do i dismantle this argument? Anonymous 01/15/2020 (Wed) 20:36:59 No. 215173 [Reply] [Last]
>You find a job >You agree to an amount of pay >You sign a contract with your boss >Therefore, capitalism is legitimate
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>>215173 Along with the anons above giving you the good 'ole 'If you don't, you're dead' - even if you do, which a lot of people do (as there are numerically more employed than unemployed), you're still most likely going to be fucked with no/little/terrible benefits, or your pay will be not sufficient enough to comfortably live (that is to say, to not live paycheck-to-paycheck as so many do). It's about how our bosses inherently or are forced to see us as nothing but human capital: something that cannot take sick days off, even if you work with food, and mingle with numerous co-workers and customers, as it's the /responsible thing to do/.
It's not really a choice. Anyone who has enough capital to not have to sign a contract with a boss won't. It's an inherently unequal playing field that grossly disadvantages the one seeking work, always; you have absolutely no leverage, or *power* to speak of.
>>215173 The contract does not exist in a vacuum and you are often forced into less than ideal contracts. Contracts you otherwise wouldn’t agree to. It’s cut and dry coercion.
>>215173 The basis of this argument is that you have a choice to sign the contract or not. I forget the term/saying, but in gambling the best way to bait people in is to give them a false choice. Take blackjack for instance, you have many options to control your hand, yet no matter how perfect you play you will lose to the house given enough time. It is the illusion of choice. Now back to wages, jobs, etc. Generally wages are very even across companies, with the larger companies offering 10-20% more. The only way to get a real choice is to move to another city/country. If you have a family and a life built up already, this is not really an option. Technically yes, but really it's a last resort. The choices of companies and contacts within your own city are the illusion of choice. The real choice is one of "should I uproot my family and lifestyle for a possible higher wage". You sacrifice personal and emotional contentment for the possibility of a wage increase. Along with that there is a moral argument to be made for sure. Say you can convince a man to take out a loan from you at 100% interest a month. Technically, he did in fact agree to it. Does that make it right? Is this something to be allowed? Are you not just taking advantage of his poor credit and life situation? He will live as a slave for the rest of his life, but he agreed right? This is a matter that you can endlessly debate on if you wish. Wish the best of luck to those that attempt it.
>>215173 Technically feudal peasants "voluntarily" swore fealty to their lords. But, as anyone fucking knows, if they didn't they essentially forfeited their land and rights and so were as good as dead because good luck feeding yourself without that. It's the same fucking shit. Sure, you get to "choose" which boss you're going to employ yourself to, and can even switch between employers, but you're still no less in a subservient position. You're less owned by a single lord so much as by capital itself, to be rented out to different capitalists. Anyone who honestly believes the "equal, voluntary contract" bullshit can just look at the fucking making of that "contract" in the interview process. They quiz you down to make you talk about what a good, obedient little peon you're going to be, and you're not even allowed to ask how much they're offering in terms of pay, and they basically never tell you until the very fucking end. In what fucking universe is you being made to do a stupid subservience dance about what a good boy and valuable asset you're going to be for these guys, and yet you aren't even allowed to so much as mention the one thing you're interested in, the fucking pay, an equal contract? Cemented in your very fucking first interaction with a new employer is a ritual that communicates that they hold all the power and you are expected to beg and scrape for your pennies.

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/lat/ - hilo socialista Anonymous 01/12/2020 (Sun) 12:54:57 No. 209538 [Reply] [Last]
Hilo para latinoamericanos y hispanoparlantes para discutir cosas zurdas. Thread for latin americans and spanish speakers to discuss lefty things. ¿cual es la mejor estrategia para crear un estado latinoamericano unido? obviamente solo funcionaria con un federalismo estricto como el de rusia o estados unidos. La union latinoamericana tiene que ser una prioridad a una revolucion socialista, solamente unidos podemos combatir contra el imperialismo. y no solo el yanki sino tambien el chino
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>>217993 No solo acciones policiales, sino también mejoras en la economía, y también hacer que los jóvenes de los barrios tengan interés en la música, el deporte como alternativas a una vida de delincuencia, no solo aplicar "mano dura" como dice el anón >>218126 >>218035 ¿Qué opinas de la situación de tu país?
No estoy de acuerdo con la creación de una "unión latinoamericana" en mi opinión seria un desastre. La cooperación entre los países latinoamericanos se debería limitar a una alianza militar y apoyo económico pero siempre respetando la soberanía de cada país. La decadente unión Europea es un ejemplo de lo que pasa cuando una entidad política extranjera impone su voluntad a otros pueblos.
hay que aplicar mano dura pero no con delincuentes menores sino con narcos y sicarios pena de muerte para esas escorias
>>218381 usamos una moneda en comun?
>>218429 No, eso llevaría a los mismos problemas que tiene la unión europea, la disparidad económica entre los países de latinoamerica es demasiado grande.

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nice socialist future 08/27/2019 (Tue) 13:42:58 No. 45251 [Reply] [Last]
post artwork for a nice socialist future

avoid, dread-mongering, collapse-porn and techno-phobia.
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>>193972 NTA but DUDE! wtf? > I want a huge ass print > Paint is expensive > I wanna print on non-paper to hang it on the wall > Painting on a frame? What is that? Anyway... my 2 cents: print on paper, get a lot of pics, cut out the good parts that you like, do a collage, get a linen or cotton textile for cheap, use the collage as reference OR decoupage dat shit... although from then on it will be near impossible to wash the textile , get a cheap frame or build one from 4 fucking planks , hang it on the wall.
>>194345 >The Ferengis
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>>212908 Yeah never got the print but you owned me there lol! I'll paint and its thanks to you comrade thanks for giving me that criticism

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