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Anonymous 04/30/2020 (Thu) 20:10:52 No. 474510 [Reply] [Last]
Starting a new /cybersocialism/ general since the old one is dead MANDATORY READING http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/ For a complete reading list, see: https://web.archive.org/web/20190806121249/http://reality.gn.apc.org/Readinglist.htm cockshott's website reading list is down, the only place you can see it now is on archive.org Cockshott's Patreon https://www.patreon.com/williamCockshott/ Cockshott's youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVBfIU1_zO-P_R9keEGdDHQ Cockshott's Blogs https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/ http://paulcockshott.co.uk/ This thread is for the discussion of cybersocialism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and of course the great immortal scientist himself, WILLIAM PAUL COCKSHOTT

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>>679677 yeah dude i was up all night googling what you mean, that's why i didn't reply
>>679622 Idealist materialism?? Sign me up!
>>679222 >just read something on a topic you're not familiar with, and then decide afterwards if it's right I assumed you guys were smarter than me if you dared to have opinions on something I knew nothing about
>>679688 Yeah I know. >>679922 Well, >>677761 has read it and the other has not.
>>474510 What if Cockshott's model of a society voted, by referendum, to restore capitalism? Does it happen?

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Anonymous 07/11/2020 (Sat) 18:34:00 No. 682835 [Reply] [Last]
>current year >still not googling bookchin Take the green pill anon
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>>684433 this pasta is getting stale
>>684433 >>684462 >You never actually explain why the other, specifically, has to be a jew It doesn't have to be that group and I suppose that poster has made a virtue of not writing straight, so paranoid conspiracy-minded Antisemitism in that sort of tedious discourse is not what is normally meant by that, but something more general that the words paranoid conspiracy-minded Antisemitism in your usual discourse-world would be just an example of. >that other is more often than not the capitalist themselves, from my experiences with anarchists Yes. And Leninists are "antisemitic" like that as well. I think that other poster argument is actually quite wrong in that it presents capitalism as something totally automatic, where capitalists are not merely under systematic pressure to act in a certain way, but completely passive conduits. There is an absolutely gigantic surplus in time above what we need for biological survival, the control over that gives freedom. To make a convincing argument about capitalists being extremely constrained in what they can do and basically victims of the system like the masses logically requires that the surplus must be very small. Maybe an environmental catastrophe will get us into that situation, but we are absolutely not in such a situation at present. >>684646 >Say something incorrect, and your *essense* is that of an out-person. No, it's: Say a lot of incorrect things, get a well-deserved reputation of saying a lot of incorrect things. >muh witch hunt muh scientology M8. Just read the fucking thread already: >>674906
>>684763 >No, it's: Say a lot of incorrect things, get a well-deserved reputation of saying a lot of incorrect things. Ah, so your point is not to participate in this conversation, but to drag another conversation that upset you into it. Thanks for the input.
>>684782 Even though I'm not posting with a name, you should be able to tell that I'm also posting other things here, given that the top 80 % of the post you reply to are not about your cringe ideas about rhetoric and logic.
>>683515 Threads are constantly being anchored you fucking faggot

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What would you say was the finest hour in communist history? Anonymous 07/04/2020 (Sat) 02:02:35 No. 665086 [Reply] [Last]
Imo it's a toss up between >Victory at Stalingrad >February Revolution >Battle of Berlin >Battle of Dien Bien Phu >Birth of the First International >Founding of the Rainbow Coalition
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- the storm on the Bastille - marine cruiser Aurora, which was operated by bolshevik soldiers, firing a shot to signal the storm on the Winter palais. This was the beginning of the october revolution. - Red Army soldiers flying the red flag in Berlin after defeating Hitler - Che and Fidel entering Havanna - Gagarin first human in space - US troops leaving Saigon in a hurry after getting humiliated by the Viet Cong
>>670955 >"Welcome to Stalingrad. You are about to begin the greatest moment of your life. The Germans have lost hundreds of tanks and planes. Hitler's brutalized hordes are now are now advancing towards Stalingrad over mountains of their own dead bodies. Our Bolshevik Party, our nation, our great country, has given us the task not to let the enemy reach the Volga and defend the city of Stalingrad. Forward against the enemy! Up into the unremitting battle, comrades, for Stalingrad, for our great country! Not one step back! Cowards and traitors will be shot! Do not count days, do not count miles, count only the number of Germans you have killed! Kill the German - this is your mother's prayer. Kill the German - this is the cry of your Russian earth. Do not waver! Do not let up! Kill! Death to the German invader! Go, go, go!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv2ONRJ9tMQ
>>670985 Not to mention they would have started dumb shit like Atlanthropa and wrecked the entire region.
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It was sending them tortoises to the Moon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zond_5

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United States Politics - /USApol/ Anonymous 05/26/2020 (Tue) 19:10:57 No. 531727 [Reply] [Last]
FRATERNAL RIOT PORN WATCHING AND FRIENDLY CIRCLEJERK HERE: https://cytu.be/r/bunkerchanalt Thread theme: FREE RASHID BASARA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWyB447vNjg 100,000 deaths edition https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ What's Next: Democratic National Convention - August 17th Republican National Convention - August 24th Ongoing - Democratic veepstakes Now with livestreams! CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html

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>>684363 Watch them do 180 and say, "masks are God's gift to humanity".
>>683453 >>683637 >noooooo you can't adapt Marxism to local conditions and build a moderately prosperous society that has eliminated poverty, u are just hypercapitalist
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>>684623 >muh capital accumulation >muh lifts all boats
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Wearing the mask is supposed to kill trump by taking away his political mystique. He might not be able to squeeze out of this one.

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Anonymous 07/10/2020 (Fri) 16:27:12 No. 679842 [Reply] [Last]
why is capital vol. 2 so dissapointing looks wise? the cover is made out of a different material, vol 1 is cardboard and vol 2 is plasticky cardboard, and despite being less like 70% the length it looks like less than half, and the pages are a different color altogether. I thought i was cracking my head against the wall of western civilization, but this thing doesn' t look threatening at all. also post pics of your book collections
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>>680535 It's not on libgen?
>>680153 Absolutely based
>>680555 >tfw there's no such section in your country
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why is it so difficult to find good cover art for capital?
>>684779 Lmao. The one with illuminati symbol could do well with conspiracytards.

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What is idpol? Part 2 Anonymous 07/11/2020 (Sat) 22:44:33 No. 683614 [Reply] [Last]
The last idpol thread died, so it must be remade. Discuss what is idpol and what isn't. As a starting point, here's a recent video that gets at a fundamental philosophical distinction. Towards a materialist definition of idpol https://youtu.be/wTErhg5y9ys The Left is often charged with practicing identity politics. But the opposition between Right and Left is actually an opposition between identity and universality. By looking at how identity functions, the stakes of this opposition will come into focus.
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Why do I keep seeing jordan peterson shit on this board
>>684783 Because this board has a diverse collection of users with wildly differing viewpoints. Such is the nature of imageboards.
>>684781 Yes, the intended message of the book is "gubmint is preventing women from sacrificing themselves wholly to exploition by capitalism... And that's bad!", but you can just as easily take the opposite conclusion from it.
>>684787 The book is also full of gender essentialist garbage but that is kind of expected from a right-wing think tank. I would take the whole book with a gigantic grain of salt if I were you.
>>684222 Good on them. Coding is something you don't need to waste thousands of dollars to learn. Colleges should be reserved for fields that require mental rigor.

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Anonymous 07/11/2020 (Sat) 06:04:15 No. 681836 [Reply] [Last]
Can anyone red pill me on the 10 planks of the communist manifesto? How can there be progressive income tax in a socialist society for example?
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>>682455 >means capital flight. when you seize the means of production, porky will try to escape abroad with all his cash. So how do you recover the cash from another country they've fled to. >>682457 >wages? How can you have a wage without private property? Anyways I answered my own question. I missed that the manifesto is only demanding the end of land ownership. Not the end of private property.
>>682461 >So how do you recover the cash from another country they've fled to. you don't let them leave with it. it can't really be done anymore of course, we can't even tax the bourgeois now that money is data and >How can you have a wage without private property? it's hard to know what to answer to this, it's like you're asking how i can have an apron without underpants or something
>>682453 Nigga I was literally quoting what Marx wrote about the Manifesto 25 years later. It says it's broadly still relevant (in that time) but that the end of section II (the 'ten planks') were getting to be sort of antiquated
>>682461 >>means capital flight. when you seize the means of production, porky will try to escape abroad with all his cash. >So how do you recover the cash from another country they've fled to. You don't and there is no point in doing that. You abolish your country's old currency. By that I don't mean going Pol Pot, but that you immediately cease accepting payment of taxes and fines in that currency. Transition is helped by giving everyone a small amount of the new currency and also allow individuals to convert their own savings at a government agency, but only up to a certain maximum amount per person. (You also do that if you replace currency with labor vouchers.)
>>681842 >Taxation will be applied to organizations which do not qualify as people The organization has only any income left for taxation because the salaries of the people in it are lower than they could be. To then say that people aren't taxed like it were a great feature looks to me just like a rhetorical sleight of hand. I think it's more transparent to not leave any pre-tax income to a spooky non-human entity and apply a tax to salaries.

Operation Twitter Net Anonymous 07/12/2020 (Sun) 02:06:49 No. 684073 [Reply] [Last]
I have a simple operation to expand our reach and get our good word out. If you do not have one already, make a burner twitter and post it here. If you already have a political twitter also post it here, we can all follow each other and boost each others posts. I'm not saying we can suddenly take over twitter but its good to have these networks so if they grow they could be useful, for propaganda dissemination for example, or take target enemies. So this is half that, half another place we can get together on line and talk shit. We can lampoon twitter goons together. I have made a burner twitter its: @hegemonalisa Make your own twitter and add it here, post your own here as well. We can start a network. It also means we can all boost good content. Oh and if you are gonna come here saying something like "this is useless don't bother" you are a wrecker. Its a simple excerise to expand our reach a little. Nothing bad can come from it. Anybody engaging in this would be shitposting anyway, because we are all here to shitpost. Yes, we should also be organising in real life, but at the end of the day, we all do spend time shitposting, so might as well make the most of it. If you don't want to take part, don't. Don't come in demoralising and complaining. Not everything is about you.
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>>684753 Yeah already tried a bunch of them, the phone is always already taken. Probably faster to make another account all togheter
>>684746 also even if you do all its gonna do is send you a code. Nobody can see the phone number it is connected to
>>684756 you cant just use a random number cos it will send that number a code which you then have to type in
4 comrades so far. Come on comrades, join the gang we can bully libs together
For example we can bully people like this: https://twitter.com/danozmanoe

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Anonymous 07/12/2020 (Sun) 06:12:55 No. 684394 [Reply] [Last]
>low key anti-communist when it comes to real-existing socialist states >books he writes aren't actually about what's in the title >"communism for me today means moderate social democracy" >hurr durr everything is about sex >never sources his falsifiable claims outside of "my friends tell me" >"China's neo-colonialism is worse than Western neo-colonialism" >gets asked a complex question, answers with le funny anecdote from Yugoslavia >a Žižekian analysis of Scooby Doo Why is this guy celebrated here? Seems like a left-wing psychoanalytical version of Steven Pinker. I think he's largely a charlatan.
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>>684394 >Why is this guy celebrated here? because Zizek's stuff on ideology is great
>>684517 I am still disapointed Zizek didn't go harder on that pseud.
>>684517 also >christian >anti-islam, anti-immigration
>>684760 I'm pretty sure he's an atheist
>>684767 an atheist christian he doesn't believe that there is a god but follows the lessons of the bible

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Anonymous 06/02/2020 (Tue) 16:41:07 No. 564481 [Reply] [Last]
what do the german anons here think of the german democratic republic ?
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>>675421 >rhodesia was based
>>681347 If you think he's a massive anti-communist, you clearly haven't read the book. The book paints a country with really great intentions that a lot of people indeed found preferable to the West. Sure, he says it has issues to, but the average normie would - and has - call this book out as apologia.
>>679927 There were some units deployed to Ethiopia if I'm not mistaken.
>>679927 I think some were deployed in Angola, though I may be mistaken.
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Had some things that were better than in the west. But the over the top state repression was a real bad move if you want to become socialist. Under Capitalism you don't need the people to trust each other, but in socialism that would be necessary. And the GDR did a lot of shit wich spread distrust


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