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Why are so many people here retarded on the ecological question? Anonymous 11/29/2020 (Sun) 21:41:58 No. 1182286 [Reply] [Last]
>Partial repost of shit I put in another thread The problem is here that most people on leftypol are really only knowledgeable about Marxism, and even then I doubt many have truly read Marxist works. I’ve actually been interested in biological and earth sciences my whole life, I’ve always read much about these things. People here don’t at all understand the terrifying predicament we are in, they just say “blah, blah you are a doomer” but they only say these things out of ignorance, and I believe fear. I read, particularly into the five mass extinctions in Earth’s history, the most terrifying events ever to have occurred, people here do not comprehend mankind’s peril; we are the very last of our kind for a reason, we are big animals and require much food. Five times most life was extinguished and the world was basically forced to reform; we are likely in such a time now, our current parallel most closely resembles the very worst extinction as far as we know, save for an exception, during that time it occurred on a much longer time span and there was no intelligent race leading a mode of production that encouraged the deterioration of every corner of the entire natural world We are already in a mass extinction event, global warming hasn’t even become part of it yet, what we’re in now is a mass extinction, when global warming really kicks in we will likely end a second phase of the extinction that turns this into the Sixth Extinction, that is, of all mass extinction events this will likely become the sixth among the five worst ones; in the five worst over 75% of all multicellular life was wiped out. So far, I think, if this becomes as bad as it can, if another life form were to examine Earth’s geological record, they’ll see a mass extinction event that begins roughly 10-15,000 years ago, greatly accelerates roughly 500 years ago, gets even faster within this century, the last, and the next, and finally a massive extinction wave starting next century or the one after it. This is pretty fucking bad. Even without global warming we would already be damaging every single ecosystem on Earth simultaneously, with global warming this will likely become one of the worst extinction events Earth has experienced. Life will surely rebound one day, but, lmao, our entire genus has already gone extinct except for us, you have no proof we will survive this if it continues. I’m a communist because I see communism as this world’s sole hope to stop this nightmare, the people here can’t envision how bad it can get, but I can, any paleontologist could. People here think because people exist we will necessarily find a magical solution to this, this is childish thinking, humans caused the extinction event and while we are ingenious we also bring with us warfare and are nuclear armed at that. Humans may survive this century and the next, that does not make us immortal, and we can survive in a rather sorry state, it’s remarkable for a species that can conceive of their individual death to be unable to envision extinction; if people here want to run away into Marx never forget, the ruination of the contending classes is always a possible outcome, the contradiction between mankind and Nature can just as easily be resolved in humanity’s extinction as it can in communist ecology.
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>>1189916 the point is that up until about now or so, it would have been possible to prevent ecological collapse that will kill billions and leave any possible survivors with a world where they'll probably just go extinct slow, over tens or hundreds of generations. i feel so bad for those people, i can't imagine a worse fate than to witness the final decline of your species. none of the conditions for human flourishing are going to be there, it's going to be a painful, cruel, unhealthy, unhappy life. and the suffering will be for nothing, they're not keeping the flame alive so future generations can bounce back someday. it takes millions of years for the planet to stabilize and recover after an extinction event. we do not have that kind of durability as a species.
>>1196574 if you cared at all about whether your hopium is solid or not you'd know why that's bullshit already.
>>1196621 >storeshitter cope
>>1196622 i do not know what that means.
You would like Bookchin

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News 12/4/20 News Anon 3.0 12/04/2020 (Fri) 20:28:34 No. 1196200 [Reply] [Last]
Venezuelans go to the polls to elect new National Assembly Parties come together in broad alliances, the largest of which are the pro-revolution Great Patriotic Pole (GPP) which supports President Maduro, and the anti-revolution Democratic Unity Roundtable, commonly known by its acronym Mud. Some left-wing parties including the Communist Party of Venezuela are standing separately from the GPP this year, in the Popular Revolutionary Alternative (ARP) alliance. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/venezuelans-go-polls-elect-new-national-assembly Indian Farmers’ Protests Spread, in Challenge to Modi Before India’s farmers rose up in anger, presenting an increasingly difficult challenge to a government already grappling with the coronavirus outbreak and a devastating economic slump, Devinder Singh set his field on fire. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/world/asia/india-farmers-protest-pollution-coronavirus.html https://archive.is/5l8sM Armed Groups Killed Two Environmental Activists in Colombia Parra was shot by hitmen on motorcycles as he was en route to his office. He was rushed to the hospital but died shortly after the assault from gunshot wounds," Attorney General Fernando Carrillo explained. https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Colombia-Illegal-Armed-Groups-Kill-Two-Environmental-Activists-20201204-0009.html Rallies banned on December 6 anniversary of teen’s killing The Hellenic Police (ELAS) is expected to announce a ban on all public gatherings aimed at marking the anniversary of the December 6, 2008, killing of teenager Alexis Grigoropoulos by a police officer in downtown Athens. https://www.ekathimerini.com/259902/article/ekathimerini/news/rallies-banned-on-december-6-anniversary-of-teens-killing

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>>1196272 We all love news anon
Trump's plant in the DOJ has been barred from the building after she harassed staff for evidence of election fraud, report says The White House's plant in the Justice Department has been blacklisted for pressuring staff to hand over evidence of election fraud, the Associated Press reported, citing three sources familiar with the matter. https://www.businessinsider.com/heidi-stirrup-trump-doj-plant-pressured-evidence-election-fraud-report-2020-12?r=US&IR=T https://archive.is/Uav17 California attorney withdraws from Rittenhouse criminal case Los Angeles civil lawyer John Pierce has been at the forefront of the case of Kyle Rittenhouse, who is accused in the shootings during protests in Kenosha this summer. Pierce has also worked to help secure the $2 million bail for Rittenhouse, who was bound over Thursday for trial. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-attorney-withdraws-rittenhouse-criminal-case-74540342 155 Years After Abolition, Slavery Is Still Legal in the United States—Democratic Lawmakers Are Trying to Fix That "Our 'Abolition Amendment' seeks to finish the job that President [Abraham] Lincoln started by ending the punishment clause in the 13th Amendment to eliminate the dehumanizing and discriminatory forced labor of prisoners for profit that has been used to drive the over-incarceration of African Americans since the end of the Civil War," Clay said in a statement. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/04/155-years-after-abolition-slavery-still-legal-united-states-democratic-lawmakers-are House passes marijuana decriminalization bill The House passed the Marijuana Opportunity Reinvestment and Expungement (MORE) Act by a vote of 228 to 164, with six Democrats voting against it and five Republicans voting for it. Congressman Matt Gaetz of Florida was the only Republican to co-sponsor the bill, which had over 100 Democratic sponsors. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-votes-to-decrimininalize-marijuana/

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British capitalism’s ‘systemic crisis’: Social explosion brewing Before the war, Leon Trotsky wrote that the ruling class were tobogganing towards disaster with their eyes closed. This is a fitting description of the British ruling class at the present time.British capitalism is staring into an abyss. It is faced simultaneously with an economic crisis, a pandemic crisis, and a Brexit crisis – all of which are disastrously feeding into one another.The UK economy is forecast to fall by 11.3% this year, the deepest plunge for 300 years. And unemployment is set to rise by one million in a matter of weeks. This is a crisis without any precedent.We can add a further twist to this scenario: the possible breakup of the United Kingdom, with Scotland and even the north of Ireland splitting away. In Scotland, a consistent majority are now in favour of independence, which the Tories are desperately trying to block. This could lead to a Catalan-style situation – that is, a showdown between Holyrood and Westminster.On top of this, we have the most inept and politically bankrupt Tory government in history, led by a political clown. https://www.socialist.net/british-capitalism-s-systemic-crisis-social-explosion-brewing.htm Biden’s Climate Plan Is a Catastrophe in the Making The liberal consensus says Biden will offer a reprieve from the dark years of Trump and usher in a new era of climate-first policy. The journal Nature called Biden’s climate plan “revolutionary.” The Nation said “Biden’s climate plan is the strongest of any presidential nominee in history.” According to Mother Jones, Biden has the “most ambitious plans of any incoming president” when it comes to taking on global warming. Upon closer inspection, however, what we see are more of the same climate proposals of the past: tax credits for businesses that upgrade to green technologies; the promotion of biofuels as an alternative to fossil fuels; the promise to take on the “real polluters,” like China. Biden does put forward some diluted Green New Deal proposals, but these aren’t likely to go far in a gridlocked Senate. The most likely scenario, however, is a return to the Obama climate agenda. The planet simply cannot afford middling solutions. https://www.leftvoice.org/bidens-climate-plan-is-a-catastrophe-in-the-making It’s time for Hong Kong to reckon with its far-right None of these are new developments. Since the anti-extradition bill protests, a vocal minority of right-wing activists has been keen to position Trump as Hong Kong’s best chance for liberation. Jimmy Lai, the Apple Daily’s founder, penned an op-ed endorsing Trump and attacking Biden. Apple Daily itself has popularized right-wing, xenophobic discourse, especially against mainland Chinese immigrants, years before the protests last year. And this year, an increasing amount of Hongkongers have loudly promoted pro-Trump disinformation and outlets, and are now peddling the Trump campaign’s blatant disinformation about the election results. A recent YouGov poll shows that Hong Kong has one of the highest rates of support for Trump in the Asia-Pacific region. Another preliminary survey, conducted by researchers Maggie Shum and Victoria Hui, revealed that a majority of surveyed Hong Kong Americans supported Trump. This is all despite the fact that the trade war and sanctions on China—actions touted by Trump supporters as “real action” against China—are benefitting no one, from Hongkongers to US businesses and consumers. https://lausan.hk/2020/hong-kong-reckon-with-far-right/ https://archive.is/QeNpg
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thanks news anon
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NEWS ANON GIVIN US THE GOOD SHIT

Was the New Left a mistake? Anonymous 12/04/2020 (Fri) 11:00:26 No. 1195067 [Reply] [Last]
Was the New Left a mistake? Are they the reason why we have radlibs, neoliberalism and neocons now? These people think they aren't https://cosmonaut.blog/2018/11/24/may-1968-the-birth-of-neoliberalism/ But are they right? Were they a bunch of bored spoiled brats? Or real revolutionaries?
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>>1196474 That’s just being practical.
>>1195919 I didn't say that, and I don't think that proletarians are socially conservative. It's not true. My issue with the "new left" is that it substitutes class analysis for postmodernism and poststructuralism which serve as agents of the bourgeoisie in destroying the organising communist working class movement. Lumpen have little revolutionary potential and rarely if ever make good communists.
>>1196601 >I don't think that proletarians are socially conservative. They are by progressive liberal standards But then progressive liberal standards are a shibboleth used to make sure a person went to the right bourgie schools and reads the right bourgie news
>>1196612 In more concrete terms?
>>1196474 >tasteful tattoos don't exist You know you're allowed to take your shirt off in the parlor right? You can get them where they're easily concealed.

Accidentally elected leader of a 200+ org with no organising experience. What do? Anonymous 11/26/2020 (Thu) 01:28:27 No. 1171034 [Reply] [Last]
I recently have been involved in a tenants union, formed mainly by anarchist and students. I've worked retail all my life and never really had to manage things other than maybe my own personal budgeting. I got elected the chair of the tenant union, since there was some beef between the other two people who ran for the position and someone nominated me instead. They don't know my political (Maoist) and I am now managing a group of 200 people in a town of about 80,000. I don't want to fuck this up. Can /leftypol/ give me any advice? Anything from guides to checklists, or just tips on how to manage medium sized organisations. I'm used to doing book clubs with 10 people max. I'm kind of our of my depth here, and just want to learn to lead good. Thanks for any advice!
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>>1195638 >talking about handing landlords implies not serious Precisely. It all just smacks of the terminally online. This guy doesn’t even probably talk to any other humans on an average day, never mind organising them
>>1195026 What a fucking piece of shit
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>>1195026 YOU FUCKING PUT BUNKERCHAN IN YOUR EMAIL OH NO NO NO NO
>>1181075 >>1181098 Care enough to make a thread about organizing?
>>1196580 We have an organizing general. Look up /log/ in the catalog

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Anonymous 12/03/2020 (Thu) 23:38:51 No. 1193872 [Reply] [Last]
Why is there a such a heavy focus on western "imperialism" when China, South America, India and to some extent Africa experienced more brutal forms of it under native populations? I'm of course talking about the Inca, Manchu, Zulu and Mughal empires
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>>1193872 Mughals weren't native to the zone they conquered and settled so bad example. The Inca are a divisive subject, Quechua people (The main ethnicity of the empire, remember that Inca was the title of the ruler and not of any tribe or kingdom) remember their Tawantinsuyu as a lost golden age, some of the neighboring conquered peoples do agree and some still hate and curse them to this day. The reason why some of the conquered peoples still like them is, of course, that the spaniards were much, much worse. That still doesn't mean that their imperialism and brutal expansion campaigns are excusable or justified however. I know almost nothing about Manchu and Zulu so can't comment on that. Anyways, I do believe people that claim to condemn imperialism but idealize native american or other non-western empires are wrong, but it has to be said that western imperialism has been the bloodiest, most genocidal and exploitative the world has seen, as well as the largest in scope. That and the fact that it endures to this day makes addressing it the biggest priority.
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>>1193872 That makes zero sense. China cannot be imperialist. Imperialism is, by definition, a capitalist policy. Read Lenin.
>>1196517 Wait, I misread it. Forget my post. However now I am even more confused at what OP meant.
>>1196517 >Imperialism is, by definition, a capitalist policy. >Read Lenin <"Colonial policy and imperialism existed before the latest stage of capitalism, and even before capitalism." t. Lenin Also China is capitalist.
Western imperialism was often unusually brutal because of profit motive. There was pressure to maximize utility of slave labor and natural resources, which meant fairer deals and humane treatment were undesirable expenses. Slaves were often treated as disposable in foreign colonies (different from in the US as a sovereign state) and places with natural wealth were, and still are, treated essentially as warehouses, with the native populace blocked from the infrastructure needed to make use of it. Of course, libs rarely know this and think whitey was just going around killing people for purely ideological reasons.

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Hayek Is Evil Anonymous 12/03/2020 (Thu) 22:53:04 No. 1193789 [Reply] [Last]
This dude basically convinced all anglo academics that there is no alternative to prices for allocation. It's basically Ayn Rand's argument that it's moral to act as selfishly as possible except much more convincing. It's why economists overwhelmingly support price gouging: https://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/price-gouging/ Does anyone have good critiques of him?
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>>1195446 Hayek tried to play the markets with his Nobel prize money and lost it all.
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>neoliberalism that's a very one sided view
>>1195446 >Nice collection of strawmen. I think that Austrian School is something of a joke, because it doesn't even try to chalk up equations about equilibriums and shit. At least Chicago School (who's a branch of Neoclassical School) do some effort. I mean, you are even denying that ROI and risk management is a thing that concerns everyone, not just economists. The only thing that makes the economists' take different from everyone else is money more pointless irrelevant faggotry >Cockshott may be a good thinker. Only that it's kinda concerning that he attracts people like you. I mean, if you really like him, you should at lest try to sum up what he thinks. Not putting the burden on me to find out his secret plan to win the Vietnam War. I like you his shit fag
>>1195005 crazy how JJ Abrams somehow set the bar even lower in the sequels >why are you going back to jaku? you got a boyfriend?
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>>1195556 >Hayek tried to play the markets with his Nobel prize money and lost it all. Source? If true it's just funny. But it doesn't prove anything. Being good at economics doesn't make you good at business and vice versa. >>1195561 Interesting. >>1195670 This pic is for you. Here's to another 150 years of academic excellency.

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¿How well does leftypol know anarchism? Anonymous 12/04/2020 (Fri) 20:18:05 No. 1196162 [Reply] [Last]
I am not an expert on anarchism, but I have seen some pretty ignorant takes on anarchism here. For all the talk about anarchists not reading theory, I see people here failing to understand basic anarchist concepts, like the distinction between rules and rulers and the anarchist definition of the state (monopoly on violence over a territory). In case you are wondering, I do not consider my an anarchist and I have not read much leftist theory, anarchist or not. I do understand some basic anarchist concepts though.
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>>1196546 >(I’m a libertarian marxist, but consider me anarcurious) Fucking storeshitting morons and their barbarous speech Libertarian is the polite euphemism for anarchism
>>1196537 more like Mutual Aids lamo
>>1196554 What about the Luksemburgusts?
>>1196554 Libertarianism (the leftist variety) and anarchism are closely related but not the same thing. All anarchists are left-libertarians, but not all left-libertarians are anarchists. A good example of a non-anarchist left-libertarian ideology would be the democratic confederalism practiced by Rojava.
How well do Anarchists know Anarchism?

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Is leftism on the rise or in decline? Anonymous 12/04/2020 (Fri) 01:43:02 No. 1194133 [Reply] [Last]
I keep seeing contradicting sentiments from this website some people think that the Marxism-cockshottist revolution is right around the corner because they saw a reddit post that said socialism was good with more that 1k upvotes. Others say that the left is not going to recover in our lifetimes because the modern left are actually fake socialists so which is it?
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>>1196497 >I support Stalins stance that Homosexuality is Bourgeoise degeneracy Why are you like this?
>>1196523 Because he's a retard who doesn't know shit from shit Have you not been reading his post?
>>1196475 Improving standard of living equals yanking peasants out of their villages and forcing them to be slaves in sweatshops making IPhones for lazy fat westerners, and they live in such horrid Prison-like conditions (they live in small cells stacked in bunk beds, are barley fed a bowl of rice, and can barley breath due to choking Air pollution) that they have suicide nets around the sweatshops to catch them and continue their horrifying misery (never mind the Uyghurs who are literally placed in Concentration camps for daring to practice the religion they’ve had for over 1000 years, and refusing to be loyal Sweatshop slaves). Contrast this to the USSR and Maoist China where the peasants were given Collective farms and a massive social-safety net (research the Iron-rice bowl that Dengist China dismantled in the 1990s). I wonder which one was truly improving standards of living for the peasants and which one was using them as slaves for Wall Street/Silicon Valley?
>>1196538 >yanking peasants Yeah the CPC should've just let them stay on that mountain and climb the dangerous path everyday. Fucking hell >forcing them to be slaves My fucking God you are a fucking liberal when it comes to China, you seriously have no idea whag you're fucking talking about No the CPC doesn't send them to work in factories but instead sends CPC members as poverty relief officials to livr there and teach the residents to build their own industries while also improving thr current industries. >they live in small cells Just more evidence this guy has no clue what he's talking about. To anyone who's actually interested in earning about the conditions of which they actually live in this is one of the few videos https://youtu.be/B7M4NaTfBa0 And no, they aren't living in small sweatshops forcing to make iPhone like this retard thinks >that have suicide nets He's also showing how much he knows about China by using the same repeated debunked shit Those were illegal and no longer exists Chocking on air pollution? In far western China where they lived in awful conditions? Even the China has made drastic measures to prevent air pollution and pollution in general, China leads the way to a new green world, but you don't care because you're a retarded liberal >nevermind who are places in concentration camp

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>>1196415 nigga is willing to defend hoxhaist albania but somehow china is too much. that other anon was right, find the nearest bridge tripfag

Anonymous 12/04/2020 (Fri) 21:17:20 No. 1196418 [Reply] [Last]
What's the deal with Comrade Pajeet on the scooter? where did he come from? When did this meme start? And why aren't we using it more?
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this man will bring world communism as he rides by in his scooter
>>1196418 It's back from Indian general strike of 2016 which was the largest strike in human history, until the Indian general strike of 2020. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_general_strike_of_2016 t. I cropped Pajeet back then
>>1196418 Haven't seen this meme anywhere, this is the first time I see it. But there is one of the biggest protests in the world happening rightnow in India.
>>1196418 THIS MEME IS FUCKING BASED
>>1196506 Has somebody news on it?

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Hungarian Thread for /voros/ refugees Anonymous 11/06/2019 (Wed) 08:21:01 No. 117378 [Reply] [Last]
Második felvonás!
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>>117378 Who's here because of József Szájer?
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>>1179021 >zsarnoki természetű, intoleráns Marx Öhm? Elmész a gecibe? Lasalle háta mögötti lezsidóuighurezése epik szarposztolás volt a korban, két barát között. Amúgy meg a "tolerancia" egy tipik lippsi érték, ld. Zizek ezeregy helyen elmondott, leírt kritikáját. (TGM amúgy rühelli Zizeket, pont azért mert a vöröslibsi kritikáiban, pl. legutóbbi migráncs simogatókról mondottakban TGM magára ismer, és ahelyett, hogy befogná a lepcses pofáját és reflektálna, azonnal kitör belőle magmaként a moralizmus mint egy kibaszott libsivulkánból.) Amúgy meg mi a faszomkám az, hogy "zsarnoki természetű", de most halál komolyan? Ha valami, akkor a zsarnokság egy tipikusan olyan tulajdonság, ami csak bizonyos struktúrák kontextusában nyer értelmet, alakul ki, fejti ki hatását. Például egy maffia feje nyilván zsarnoki magatartása, mert ha nem vágja le az ujját mondjuk egy piti drogdílernek, aki lehúzta pár grammal, akkor depleted respect és nem jön a zsé és akkor weaknek fogják tartani "munkatársai," és szépen eltávolítják a pozíciójáról és raknak oda egy tökösebb janit. De hogy ez "természete" lenne? Komolyan, valaki magyarázza már meg nekem, hogyan volt Marx zsarnoki, vagy hogy mi a halál faszára utal itt TheGeciMan! Arra, ahogy az egész Bakunin szarságot levezérelte? Magára a proletárforradalomra, a nyíltan vallott terror igényére? Nem elég "lib. szoc." vagy pacifista TGM-nek Marx, vagy mi a faszom? >Ahogy telt az idő, egyre empiristább és pozitivistább lett, ami voltaképpen nem fér össze a marxi elmélet dialektikus, „hegeli” magvával, me mé? >ezért kellett Engelsnek a dialektikát beleerőltetni a természetfilozófiába That's just, like, your opinion, man. >az „idealizmus” elleni küzdelemmel Baszki, én értem, hogy valaki filozófus, és számára az idealizmus eszmetörténeti okokból elsősorban a német idealizmust jelenti, de könyörgöm, a marxista filozófiában ennek a kifejezésnek teljesen más értelme van. Nagyon lerövidítve az uralkodó osztályok filozófián belüli legitimációs kísérleteit jelöli. A mai napig folynak erről marxista filozófusok között viták. Teljesen beszari és hazug dolog úgy tenni, mintha azáltal, hogy ő most szépen idézőjelbe tette a kifejezést, annak a marxista filozófián belüli legitimitása is megszűnt. Könyörgöm, Marx és Engels is folyamatosan fikázzák az idealistákat (mely alatt nem csak a németeket értik, hanem általánosságban a nem-materialistákat), de persze TGM jobban tudja Marxnál és Engelsznél is, hogy ők valójában mit is gondoltak.

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>>1195652 Juteszembe, a nyugati marxista Alfred Sohn-Rethel (korai frankfurti leves iskola), TGM egyik kedvence (valamelyik beszédében javasolta olvasását) ugyanúgy használja az "idealizmus vs. materializmus" dichotómiát, annak teljesen sztenderd marxista denotációjában. Most vagy nem olvasta azt az írót, akit amúgy mindenki másnak ajánl (magyar_értelmiség.webm), vagy pofátlan módon tetteti, hogy nem ismeri ezt a Marx és Öngölc által is használt ellenpárt. De szerintem egy harmadik dologról van itt szó. Ugye a cocalizmusban (idehaza és romániában is) nagyon erőltették az emberek torkán az ilyen száraz, bugyuta, tankönyv-szagú kategóriák lenyomását középsuliban, egyetemen. Hírhedten ilyen "kötelező és utált" áltantárgyaknak tartották az ilyen Marxizmus-Leninizmus alapjai stb. kurzusokat a diákok, kb. úgy, mint ma a kötelező EU Tanulmányok kurzusokat egyetemen, hiszen a status quo dugja le a faszát a torkodon, amikor ilyen szarokra kötelez. Szerintem így érti az idézőjelbe tett "idealizmust" (azaz még mindig, 30 évvel a rendszerváltások után, TGM be van ragadva a muh feelz over realz-be).
>>1151752 ez a két geci elmehet a picsába

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