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New International Organization Anonymous 09/15/2020 (Tue) 13:55:50 No. 869987 [Reply] [Last]
Progressive International an international organization uniting and mobilizing progressive left-wing activists and organizations. The International labels itself as aiming for a post-capitalist society. <Launched after the Democracy in Europe Movement (DiEM25) and The Sanders Institute announced an open call for progressive forces to form a unified front, Progressive International aims to organize worldwide progressive voices using the tools of policy, journalism, and activism. The Progressive International was announced on 30 November 2018 at a Sanders Institute event attended by progressive politicians, economists and activists including Naomi Klein, Cornel West, Fernando Haddad, Niki Ashton and Ada Colau. Formally founded and launched on 11 May 2020 amidst the global Coronavirus pandemic, the International counters the resurgence of authoritarian nationalism worldwide as well as the rise of disaster capitalism Seems based to me, I think they avoid words like socialism/communism, etc. Because of the amount of international brainrot and anti-communist propaganda. Lots of great people are signed up to this organization and we definitely need this for our current time. Also: LIVE ONLINE EVENT: Internationalism or Extinction - Inaugural Summit of the Progressive International 18-20 September You can sign up here, it's free: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/internationalism-or-extinction-inaugural-summit-of-the-pi-tickets-118538117701 We could have a stickied thread or maybe restream it to cytu.be when it happens. I haven't done too much digging into this organization as of yet, I literally found it yesterday while half drunk half stoned, but it makes me hopeful that things are happening and maybe this will help the left internationally, idk. Thoughts? Also here are some links: <website: https://progressive.international/ <youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCksuNtEJ9-jUDQn5-yiIZlg <twitter: https://twitter.com/progintl
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>>879451 Poggers
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>>879451 I have a hard time to take Chumpsky serious after this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg-VQVs2rMw
>>870064 >>870080 >>870095 based takes. glowie release valves should be identified and crushed not supported. Sectarianism is bad but compitulating to porky is even worse. Furthermore I don't see we should agree to any transition period that keeps money or private enterprises around. You can still have a state for defence from imperialism but there must be systemic change. I think any org that tries to keep the system should be very critically examined.
>>879461 u need to u need to u neet to VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTE AGAINST GENGHIS KHAN (it's the first rule of anarchism)
>>870084 you are on leftypol, what did you expect

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The beginnings of our new leftypol project Anonymous Board volunteer 05/27/2020 (Wed) 23:20:07 No. 535800 [Reply] [Last]
Hello everyone, we have received the results of our project proposal topic, and I'm delighted to announce that we are teaming up with 'leftypedia' to deliver our planned 'argument/talking point resource' idea. In case you don't know, leftypedia is the current version of the old abandoned 'marxistpedia' which was a project started by leftypol users back in the day, so I think this is sort of like a homecoming in a way. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Anyway, if you have a look at the leftypedia site you might be able to tell that they have a much more formal and 'encyclopedic' tone than what we're planning, just like wikipedia, but the admin is going to create a separate 'category' for our new content that will be called something like 'rhetoric: topic' rather than just 'topic', this will also feature on the frontpage much like the encyclopedic content. As a tenplate, I'd like you to feast your eyes on these pages which someone on leftypedia already made (albeit only on their personal userspace for now). https://leftypedia.org/wiki/User:Anarcho-Bolshevik/compendium I'd like to ask if anyone can come up with a slightly more catchy name for our new section than 'rhetoric', cause that sounds a bit cumbersome to me even though I came up with it, so yeah, open to suggestions. So, since that isn't implemented yet, I'd like you all to try familiarise yourselves with the site for now, maybe take a look at the articles that are already there and improve some of them if you feel able. Unfortunately the site currently has only edit by approval so you will have to wait for any changes you make to be approved, this is because of a persistent spambot problem and I hope that we will be able to work out something to change this to normal editing as on wikipedia and the like, please just bear with it for now. If you have an answer to a 'common question', or you have an effortpost you'd like to archive and save, then please post it in this topic for now so that we can work on it together until we can figure out how to categorise our new section of the site. Thanks for your attention! EDIT: I've now got admin permissions on leftypedia, so I can create pages and approve edits directly. If you want to use the site I recommend you create a user account, which I can then approve once you make a productive edit (to distinguish from spambots), then you won't have to wait for approval anymore and can create articles yourself. Or, just ask me and I can create an article for you if you're desperate to make one as your first edit. Thanks guys, I hope we can make this project cool together!

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>>864735 To that page and maybe even an article just on black sites
>>864735 >In Thailand, the Voice of America relay station in Ban Dung District of Udon Thani Province was reported to be a CIA black site known as "Cat's Eye" or "Detention Site Green". kek, voice of america indeed
>>872048 >>864735 Definitely needs some in depth (with images) post about those places. People don't realize how horrific the torture there is.

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Anonymous 08/17/2020 (Mon) 16:47:58 No. 780793 [Reply] [Last]
Is there a Marxist analysis of the Yugoslav wars? Or was it just ethnic conflict?
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>>780793 I don't think it was fair to call the serbian treatment of muslims genocide but even if it was nato's actual goal in the region was balkanisation, not humanitarianism. yugoslavia's model was a "threat" to the west, both ideologically and economically, but moreso the former seconding the parenti recommendation, that man is a redpill factory. I doubt I would be a communist without him ever since WW2 exaggerating enemy war crimes has become empire's go-to propaganda justification for geopolitically motivated conflicts. we're seeing the same shit right now with the wiggers in china
The degredation of the material conditions of a country doesn't always crop up in the way you'd expect, to be honest. Living conditions degrading rapidly can cause a great many people to get angry for a wide number of reasons, many of them deeply misguided.
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It's what happens when you go full revisionist. EN-VER HOX-HA ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ EN-VER HOX-HA ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ EN-VER HOX-HA ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
>>872570 >18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte You are comparing what Marx said about Bonaparte with what I said about those men. Like Bonaparte Marxist analisis will conduct the same results with a Marxist analysis on the men I said, where materialistically speaking, all men I described above are very different from Bonaparte, because Bonaparte wasn't a socialist, to begin with.
>>872652 Revisionism, not even once

oh hey 09/17/2020 (Thu) 23:48:10 No. 877148 [Reply] [Last]
W-what are you reading there anon? looks interesting
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Capitalists BTFO. Mondragon cooperatives have a 95% survival rate over the firms lifetime. Capitalist firms have a 20% survival rate over a 5 year period. Sorry, can't post pdf, not on libgen book costed 40$
>>877475 >>879275 suck his dick bro ๐Ÿ‘Œ
Has anyone read this? It looks interesting. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/09/09/mast-s09.html
Just finished "Marxism: Philosophy and Economics" by Thomas Sowell, a right-wing ex-Marxist. Clear and unpretentious writing style. Most of the criticism is at the end, so you can show long excerpts to Marxists and they will tell you it's fairly accurate, like explaining what materialism and idealism is. I suspect a huge part of it is based on an unpublished thing a younger Sowell worked on while still sympathetic to Marx. There's some negative stuff in there about the character of Marx himself, which aside from the rumor of Marx having a child with his maid (which Sowell treats as fact) has reliable sources, though I don't see how that's important. Surely a right-winger wouldn't be convinced about the merits of socialism by reading about Guevara's unselfish behavior? At the end you get basically every anti-communist talking point ever: >the rise of the nazis was the commies' fault >btw communism and fascism both end in "ism" really makes you think doesn't it >muh gulag archipelago >people from communist countries were attracted to capitalist countries >don't reply that most capitalist countries are not attractive, not capitalism's fault that the RACES there SUCK ASS GENETICALLY (yeah he really goes there) >>877622 >I don't want to be seen reading the book about how people in the GDR had better sex while sitting in front of the Stasi museum Revisionist.

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treatment of the mentally disabled in the soviet union Anonymous 09/19/2020 (Sat) 02:32:43 No. 881262 [Reply] [Last]
There are people who claimed that the soviet union treated people with autism/retardation like shit. Obviously we as a species didn't know that much about autism in the 20th century but I wonder if the soviets could have done a better job of treating the autistic/retarded/intellectually challenged.
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>>881397 then how will people's doubts be cleared
>>881300 A lot of Tumblr users. arenโ€™t radlibst
>>881335 Just like Ernst Rohm!
>>881262 These people are right. And this doesn't include just autism or other inherited illnesses but even encephalitis or other acquired cases. I won't tell anything about the relationship between the party people and disabled people but the common thing I heard is that there was a big fucking problem about nonexistence of punishments for negligence towards such people even by their nurses. It's complicated now because the neolib RF has gotten its bloody hands into this matter and now you have to filter tons of shit to get to the facts.
>>881300 >asexuals >autists literally never seen any mentioned on tumblr but I suppose that's because i mainly use it for autistic purposes

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Anonymous 08/28/2020 (Fri) 11:25:41 No. 814423 [Reply] [Last]
What do you know about the Japanese Communist Party, the JCP? From the outset they seem like Orthodox Marxists (by that I mean the Second International under Kautsky). They've remained independence from the USSR and China so they've developed their own Marxist theory and reject the rigidity of Leninism - for example, they consider bourgeois freedoms and democratic rights, including the right to form opposition parties, to be crucial for a socialist society (see: https://www.jcp.or.jp/english/jcpcc/blog/2020/01/program-of-the-jcp.html#_05): >A socialist/communist Japan will inherit and further develop all valuable gains of the capitalist era, including those of democracy and freedom. The "freedom of exploitation" will be restricted, and its abolition will be sought in the course of reforms to be carried out. Abolition of exploitation will pave the way for a society in which humankind becomes the key players of society in the true sense of the word. The idea that "the people are sovereign" will become a social reality in all fields, politics, the economy, culture, and society. >The freedom of various ideologies and beliefs as well as political activities, including those by opposition parties, will be rigorously protected. Giving privileges to a particular political party as the "leadership" party in the name of "socialism" or defining a particular outlook on the world as "state-designated philosophy" is an act that has nothing in common with socialism and therefore must be categorically rejected. They have a really informative website in English, and this text also caught my attention: https://www.jcp.or.jp/english/jcpcc/blog/2016/04/how-the-japanese-communist-party.html They seem to consider Engels to be misinterpreting Marx. >The previous JCP documents used to adopt Engelsโ€™ definition of the fundamental contradiction of capitalism as โ€œthe contradiction between socialized production and capitalistic appropriationโ€. But Marx never formulated such a contradiction. >Marx consistently saw the basic contradiction of capitalism in the expansion of surplus-value as its driving motive or definitive aim.
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Does anyone know if pic related has been ripped? It's a book about the lives of JRA members' plane hijacking and defection to North Korea.
>>873234 Anyone..?
>>873234 I looked around for it, sorry anon, doesn't seem to be available yet
>>873234 https://youtu.be/X4jJpRViOQI All I know is that some of the madlads who did the whole plane hijacking where part of this cool band:^).

Anonymous 09/19/2020 (Sat) 14:17:53 No. 882526 [Reply] [Last]
Post your beloved armchair This one is mine, but not beloved. Since it's not comfy enough. By the way it was dumped on the sidewalk and adopted.
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>>882639 The co-op chair.
>>882758 Wow that just gave me so many ideas for chairs
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I want something like this, looks comfy af

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Could a government formed through sortition be considered a DotP? Anonymous 09/19/2020 (Sat) 14:49:17 No. 882575 [Reply] [Last]
Pic related is an example of sortition-based governmental structure, called multi-body sortition. The reason I'm asking this is because the idea here would be that you'd minimize, or even wholly eliminate, the influence of lobbyists and the bourgeoisie, as they wouldn't be able to establish a permanent foothold in government procedure. While lobbyists can volunteer for certain positions, the salary included with some of these positions would discourage corruption and the regular rotation of members would disrupt the permanence of control, as the next batch of participants is completely randomized. Of course, this system would be put in place post-revolution, during which a dwindling of the capitalists' power outside of government should occur. What does /leftypol/ think, am I a stupid retard or is it based, dialectical and redpilled? Subscribe to find out.
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Sortition is really just the worst, we need direct democracy not more representatives who the people don't even get to pick
>>882753 The thing is that even if this happened they'd be quickly phased out and can't repeat their positions. You can't really become a career politician in this scenario. >>882778 I doubt most people care enough, or have enough perspective on a lot of issues to vote on them. Unless you inject some form of mandatory learning with regards to a policy subject you prolly wouldn't get very representative results anyways. Anyone who's interested can still participate to some extent in this system, which is more than I can say for parliamentarism.
>>882778 >democracy
>>882846 >I doubt most people care enough, or have enough perspective on a lot of issues to vote on them. If you don't care about a subject then don't vote on it, pretty simple >>882849 <democracy
Sortition is a great idea but i still believe the state needs to be lead by a communist party in some way. essentially i think the communist party should control most executive functions and high-level national policy, with sortition acting as democratic policy & legislation - input and safeguard against dictatorial overreach & revisionism. Gradually, as internal and external class struggle ceases and the economy as well as education of the public is developed to a high level, more and more functions of the communist party would instead be fulfilled by these councils. Communists need to think about the technicalities of statecraft more, like Cockshott. Philosophy alone can not build a state. the bourgeoisie created its state structure through meticulousness and carefully constructing it in such a way that it would meet their goals. We will need to be even more technical and meticulous. Lenins "just elect councils bro" and the later strict top-down approaches ended up failing.

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Tendency Quiz Anonymous 09/09/2020 (Wed) 11:32:27 No. 853223 [Reply] [Last]
https://www.strawpoll.me/20911114 What's your LEFTIST TENDENCY, anon?
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BUMP
>>879703 >no captcha >allows bots we know your games socdem-poster
>>853223 No eco-Marxism lol
>>882777 not a real thing, all marxist should be eco-pilled
Whoevers a trotskyist pls gtfo

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Why do some of you gotta sound like this Anonymous 09/19/2020 (Sat) 16:29:47 No. 882714 [Reply] [Last]
Yada yada twitter post containment thread fuck you I'm just wondering why so many leftists insist on talking like this. Not because they're necessarily wrong but they do understand that to the average person this sounds like insanity right? The average joe doesn't associate human rights with a specific post-war event they associate it with the idea that they can't get prosecuted for believing in god or being gay. I can't tell if this is glowop crap or just the left being dogshit at selling their ideas.
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>>882714 he0s right seeethe harder
>>882744 How do we guarantee people certain protections? This is necessary for a civilised society.
>>882765 >COMMUNISM IS INEVITABLE WAIT WHAT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE WORKING CLASS HAS BEEN BRAINWASHED BY DECADES OF PROPAGANDA AND HAS BECOME DISILLUSIONED WITH POLITICS AND NEEDS PROPER INFORMATION INSTEAD OF TRASHY EDY CYNICISM TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY COMMUNISM IS IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY
>>882765 >join a about political ideology about putting the majority of people in the world >be a misanthropic anti-social You retards are even worst than radlibs, at least they try to appeal to a certain part of the population instead of smelling their own farts.

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