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/doomer/ thread Anonymous 06/25/2020 (Thu) 16:46:15 No. 640938 [Reply] [Last]
Capitalism won a long time ago The only path left is the destruction of our world and a transition from our current soft dystopia into a mask off dystopia There won't be a fucking revolution, maybe like 0.1% of Americans are class consciousness. The death of the USSR was the death of a path forwards towards an alternative to communism Honestly what's the fucking point, what's the point of continuing to fight. It's all so tiresome comrades...
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>>666086 >reddit There're plenty right wingers on reddit. Corona sub was racist cesspit a month or two ago. Facebook alone dwarfs all other sites though.
How many profiles with "anticommunist" in the bio do I need to find before we can admit generation zyklon is a lost cause?
>>641317 hahaha this shit is hiliarious
shhhhh
>>640938 OP, remember Jacques Lacan's words: >To live without hope is also to live without fear. Do it for the slightest chance that you may be wrong. If things are horrible (and they are), you have nothing to lose.

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The New Communist Manifesto Anonymous 07/07/2020 (Tue) 07:03:18 No. 671993 [Reply] [Last]
Inspired by these posts: >>671954 >Fuck the communist manifesto. It's a meme book for larpers who already agree (or think they agree) with Marx. Instead start talking about "how hey, maybe the modern economy is a bit unstable, huh?", while also mentioning how social democracy always seems to fail. These small redpills are far better to convince anyone than "read my book that no one takes seriously". >I'd absolutely agree to all of that, but I'd add that Marxists of all stripes need a new manifesto entirely. Half of the Communist Manifesto is taken up with arguing against currents that don't meaningfully exist anymore, and the other half outlines a program intended specifically to turn 19th century England/Germany into 20th century England/Germany faster than the 100 years it would take for the capitalists to do it. ML(M) propaganda is also useless for this, since it's all aimed at a category of country that basically doesn't exist anymore (peasant economies in desperate need of industrialisation). >In any case, capitalism has long ago developed past the point where production for exchange choked on its own output. Globally, the capitalism lives solely based on life support provided by the state (military/government spending draining excess productivity, subsidies preventing price crashes, etc). A new and useful Manifesto would put forward a program aimed at transitioning global production away from commodity production and toward use-value production. >Off the top of my head I can think of a bunch of individual policies that might help that process along: a severe reduction in the working week and a sharp increase in the minimum wage to encourage labour automation, open borders to curtail wage differentials, maybe a UBI to decouple labour and consumption (though this one is debatable), converting price-controlled commodities (eg most agricultural staples) into free-consumption public goods, etc, etc. I'm sure there's a bunch more potential points we could add to a program, basically just take Marx's ideas in Critique of the Gotha Program and work backwards. The point is that the material conditions to support such a program definitely exist, we're not stuck in Marx's position of coming up with a program to get to the point where we can actually start moving toward communism. >If OP wants to do something useful with their polisci degree, they should write an updated version of the Manifesto. So what you put in the Communist Manifesto for 2020?
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>>672528 Except it is, most of the "the rest of the fuckin world" can apply a slightly modified ML(M) program for their revolutions. The non-semi-feudal, semi-colonial countries like Portugal, Greece, Ireland, or most of Eastern Europe would still need to contend with national liberation and flawed liberal bourgeois democracies. The authoritarian ("illiberal" as Western libs like to call it) bourgeois democrcy then provides sufficient reason for many more proletariat to find a democratic centralist vanguard party a preferable option, and this MLM party model's aspects of mass line and mass perspective along with its militarization follow that. The only program you're looking for is for imperialist countries that don't suffer from the combination of those two glaring defects.
>Explicit denouncment of reactionary ideology both old and new >do not shy away from allowing religious expressions of Communism >the war on drugs and terror do nothing to stop the Military Industrial Complex and narco-capitalism and should be rooted out >explicit anti-racism and solidarity of all peoples but our focus is to end capitalism >liberation for all peoples from the drudgery of all forms of slavery and capital >abolition of speculation and the development of real wealth earned through labor
the problem is that modern leftist philosophers have either dedicated their careers to explaining what previous writers meant, or are so far up their own assholes that the only people who listen are people who already agree with them.
A new communist manifesto should try and have left unity baked in, regardless of tendency the goal is the destruction if capitalism Maybe mention climate change too or something
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How to fix the police problem Anonymous 07/07/2020 (Tue) 21:18:49 No. 673383 [Reply] [Last]
most men join the police force because they're either a. psychopaths b. bullies c. the bullied, they join because they want to be big and strong and dominate the weak. They get to drive big trucks with big army guns and play out military fantasies on civilians. So I propose we simply replace their big SUV trucks with tiny little pussy cars. Take away their toys, their big military guns and suddenly the police force wouldn't be so appealing to these knuckle dragging psychos
Based. Make them join memey private mercenary groups so they can scam gusanos into "invading" Latin American governments and get their shit pushed in by fishermen and corn farmers instead.
that’s what people have been saying from the beginning, genius

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Nazbols are reactionary? Anonymous 07/07/2020 (Tue) 16:50:08 No. 672826 [Reply] [Last]
Why does the fucking left unity does not allow nazbols or left nationalists while many of the proclaim themselves leftists? Im overwhelmingly called a reactionary for my socio-nationalist,anti racist and anti fascist values.
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>>672826 If you are truly anti-racist and don't believe that some nation is better than other then you are ok. Probably the reason you call yourself left nationalist is you spooked by some myths about leftism. The goal of the left is not to homogenise cultures to create a boring world, ( like in South Park episode about future people who come back in time to find work). The goal of leftism is to remove all unnecessary, outlived and destructive culture elements, which prevent further human development. And like some anons said left unity (unfortunately) doesn't exist yet. So some leftist will find you alright, while others would call you a nazi.
Well I am not a "Nazbol" (whatever that is) but I'm a Burger and think Burgerland for instance needs to degrade back down to the level of a "nation-state" and not a global empire. But that will probably be very bad for the white settler-colonialist types in the U.S. as well since their whole position in their society is embedded within that empire... hell, they were created by that empire and it stands to reason they'd be undone by its unraveling as well. Really I think a lot of "social-nationalists" want to hold on to a certain value system. At worst the dominance of a particular ethnic group (their ethnic group) in a pecking order. But the U.S. value system is totally warped and fucked up in all kinds of ways. I mean look at Trump. This isn't really about him though. I don't what country the OP is from because I think this is highly contextual. Now this doesn't mean that a future, post-imperial American nation that can get over its racism won't still have people who'd we consider to be "white" walking around at all, but the culture that would emerge would be better and it'd be a syncretic fusion of American things, and would also not try to impose its particular values on the rest of the world. https://youtu.be/w2Ov5jzm3j8 This is just my sense. I'm kinda just spitballing my views about this. But it would be a true Burger nation that would not be a Burger empire and it would treat other countries as equal partners, and be accountable to democratically organized international institutions set up by the different countries of the world.
white nationalism isn’t national nationalism.
>>672826 It depends. I think, that Nazbols (or even Third-Positionists) shouldn't be immediately dismissed and I don't think that all Nazbols are the same. But if you are using the label "Nazbol" to cover your racism or if you believe in the nazi-meme, that jews secretly rule the world, you can fuck off. If "Nazbol" just means, that you adhere to social-conservative beliefs, I can certainly get along with it.
>>672826 Capitalism os leftist. Accept me or you're against left unity

Anonymous 07/01/2020 (Wed) 20:19:37 No. 658982 [Reply] [Last]
ANARCHIST GENERAL Discuss all things Anarchism on this thread! from Kropotkin to Rojava. Why are there so many Anarcho-somethings? Most Anarcho somethings are like when you put Marxist in front of another ideology, like when you see Anarcha Feminism, think like what if it was "Marxist Feminisim" obviously that would not be its own ideology, it would be a Marxist analysis on feminism, the same happens in anarchism. obviously there are some other ideologies than just anarchism, but if you think about it this way, you will probablly understand what is what. THEORY https://theanarchistlibrary.org/special/index LIST OF ANARCHIST COMMUNITIES BY WIKIPEDIA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities

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glad our Chapo comrades have finally come to join us
>>673108 Am I an anarkiddie If I think the only form of "state" that could actually be called a proletarian state is a federation of labor unions, and that the "dictatorship of the proletariat" could only truly be achieved through a truly proletariat "state"
>>673116 Yes but I don't think youre wrong necessarily The problem with anarchism imo is how to solve the problem of capitalist encirclement
what would replace police in a anarchist society?
>>659037 >Zapaitsmo is not anarchist. >It's M-L applied how? isn't a confederation inherently anarchist? or is it not a confederation?

Israeli W-Bank Annexation 06/30/2020 (Tue) 21:54:15 No. 656348 [Reply] [Last]
Any predictions on what this will do? My bet is another Intifada.
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>>656912 Iran literally has a fatwa by Khomeini against nuclear weapons, my guy. Nukes = haraam for Islamic Republic of Iran. they don't need nukes anyway because their conventional missiles have enough range to reach and fuck up Dimona and any other nuclear launch sites, so the conventional missile system alone is enough deterrent to keep Israel or the USA from nuking Tehran
>>656912 >not really true, since trump canceled the deal they definitely have dirty bombs now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Ve4HrRpvs
Zionists just bombed Gaza apparently https://english.almanar.com.lb/1080818
Hot take: annexation will not occur.
>>657127 iran's nuclear deterrent is the extremist groups it does business with. thats why soleimani was linked to so many such groups. iran funds them, and in turn can keep them on a leash, if iran gets dissappeareded, no more leash. iran keeps the middle east RELATIVELY stable, and as such eliminating their control would be too politically costly

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Anti-Fascist, Anti-Nazi memes Anonymous 01/16/2020 (Thu) 19:28:54 No. 216515 [Reply] [Last]
Post memes making fun of Nazis countering chan memes
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>>216515 chilean here! you can always post a clip of the real voice of the funny helicopter man himself, Agusto Pinochet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNwYw36Fh_4 as you can see, it is not the most intimidating sounding voice to say the least
>>655195 They all belong there. Especially Du Bois.
Not by photoshop right now but this is a high quality thread that deserves to be rescued from hell. Make Fascists spelunk again.
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just disappointed. 07/06/2020 (Mon) 02:27:08 No. 669522 [Reply] [Last]
im fuming, im so fucking MAD and this is making me ANGRY. WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FUCKING RADLIB YOUTUBE CHANNELS. ARRHRGRARHGRAHRG IM FOAMING AT THE FUCKING MOUTH THEY MAKE ME SO FUCKING MAD WITH THEIR WORKER CO OP RICHARD WOLFF SOVIET BULLSHIT. "HOW BAD WAS STALIN" RARGHARGARGH I WANT TO FUCKING EXPLODE WHO GIVES A SHIT STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT. YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE. WHY DON'T I SEE ANYONE ELSE TALKING ABOUT THIS. BULLSHIT FUCK SHIT MARKET SOCIALISM COMMODITY WORKER PRODUCTION BULLSHIT ONE OF THEM WANTS A FUCKING FREE MARKET TO BUY AND SELL HOUSES AHRGARHRAGRHAGRHARGH SOME OF THEM THINK MARKET SOCIALISM IS MEANINGFUL. THEY TALK ABOUT DUMB DUMB BABY SHIT AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMENTS THINK THEY'RE SO SMART. THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. THEY JUST CIRCLEJERK WEIRD CAPITALIST NONSENSICAL DRIVEL. THEY GARGLE AND REPEAT DUMB FUCKING WORDS AND USE BOOKS AS A SHIELD AGAINST CRITICISM. YOU GUYS GET THIS RIGHT? THEY USE BOOKS LIKE "REFORM OR REVOLUTION" TO HANDWAVE ACTUALLY HAVING TO FUCKING EXPLAIN ANYTHING. SOVIET DUMB STALINISTS JUST WANT TO HAVE WORKER CO-OPS AND THEY THINK THAT YOU CAN'T REFORM CAPITALISM INTO THAT. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT REVOLUTION IS. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT CAPITALISM IS. ANARCHO-HYBRIDISM. SHOOT ME. PLEASE. FUCKING KILL ME. MORE ON THE BOOK THING. ONE OF THEM RECOMMENDED THAT FUCKING DIALECTS BOOK BY STALIN. THE GUY THAT KILLED HIS HEGEL TUTOR. DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THE FUCKING WANK OFFS USING "DIALECTICS" AND "SCIENTIFIC" ARHJAGARGHRAGHRRHRHRHRHRH GOD PLEASE PUT AN END TO MY SUFFERING. ROSA LUXEMBURG DIED AND GOT THROWN IN A CANAL SO THAT HER LIFE'S WORK COULD BE SUMMARISED AS "i think that revolution is necessary to make workers control their means of production because im a fucking twat." "PERSONAL PROPERTY. NOT PRIVATE PROPERTY." IF ANYONE YOU KNOW SAYS THIS, SHOOT THEM IN THE FUCKING FACE. THEY DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT AND GET THEIR INFORMATION OFF OF YOUTUBE. TO BE HONEST, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BAD THING BUT ALL THE FUCKING YOUTUBE VIDEOS ARE BAD EXCEPT FOR LIKE 2 CHANNELS. PLEASE. READ. SOMETHING. ANYTHING. STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE VIDEOS. OR KILL ME. WHY DO THEY HAVE SUBSCRIBERS. ARJAHRAHRARJAHRJ YES IM JEALOUS YOU GOT ME. IM ANGRY THESE FUCKWADS WHO DON'T THINK, GET OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON'T THINK, TO NOT THINK SO HARD THAT THEY BELIEVE IN THEIR BULLSHIT. SORRY IF I HAVEN'T BEEN USING COMMAS JUST REALISED A LOT OF THIS MIGHT BE UNREADABLE HOPE ITS OK :)

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>>669522 based fuck podcasts too
>>672246 The idea that he became fat to help his rule somehow is genuinely retarded, it does nothing but make him a figure of mockery, Koreans aren't so braindead that they couldn't recognise a thin guy at their eternal leader
>>673342 Powerful retard energy here >kim being fat to invoke kim il sung makes him a figure of mockery >really he's just fat because he's a lazy fuck who likes rolling around in cheeseburgers
>>669528 fuck, this is cringe
>>673350 >really he's just fat because he's a lazy fuck who likes rolling around in cheeseburgers realistically the stress has something to do with it. imagine having to assassinate your brother, make a nuke out of black market parts and run a totalitarian state to stay the threat of being gaddafi'd constantly hanging over you

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Anonymous 07/07/2020 (Tue) 02:07:05 No. 671770 [Reply] [Last]
How do we get people to demand socialized healthcare?
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Stop calling it fucking "socialized healthcare" for starters. It conflates socialism with "when the government does stuff".
>>673240 I agree, call it universal healthcare or some shit. >>671770 I want to have an ass like those nurses ):
it would take a fucking global pandemic to get dumb americans to want it
>>673243 "universal healthcare" is now used as a weaselword to refer to "everyone is allowed to pay for shitty insurance"
>>671770 socialized health is not socialist, chapos used to act like universal healthcare is this suversive shit that capital would never do when socialized healthcare is expected out of a late capitalist nation. First, because it increases avegerage survival wage, so porky is going to have to pay more on average people where there is no healthcare. secondly, because as the rate of profit goes down, decreaszing wages will be one of the only ways to temporarily reverse this trend, so governments will be compelled to either nationalize health, or more likely do half assed solution like regulation. it is the same shit with rent and utilities, a late capitalist nation is expected to nationalize or tightly regulate services, and implement harsh regulation against landlords, as they are a doomed class, again because of the rate of profit, and will loose political power over time

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Anonymous 07/02/2020 (Thu) 04:42:00 No. 660330 [Reply] [Last]
How much does /leftypol/ tip their essential service workers/fellow proletarian comrades?
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>>660330 Whatever I can spare >50-100% Based. If you eat out or order food and haven't at least tipped them 100% once you're a fucking scrooge >>664078 >tfw always giving any homeless I see money, and more than they asked for #LumpenSolidarity
>>660330 I give out those fake $20 bills with Bible verses on them because fuck christfags
Back when I was flush and went to bars or restaurants, I always tipped 50% to 100%. Mostly at bars, because I had some self-awareness about the fact that I was a bad alcoholic and knew that I needed the bartenders to like me. It was also a good idea to buy a round or two for the bar, so when things were really bad someone would pay for my cab fare and get me home and know I'd pay them back later. It was part of how I became a leftist, realizing that when you had money you could just buy being a moral individual, but someone who knew the same things I did and felt the same way and did the same things I did couldn't be a "good person" if they didn't have money. Now I am poor, so I don't go out because I can't afford to have a "heart of gold." >>660365 Also this. COVID-19 is contagious for days or weeks or even months while people are asymptomatic. There is literally no way to be confident that the person who prepared your food was not a carrier and the only way to know you are safe is to cook and/or pickle all your own food.
>>660330 15-20% depending on my mood and what bills and coins I got on me
never less that 25%, sometimes up to 300% depending on how well i'm doing financially

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