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Spreading (largely left leaning) unorthodox thought ClapMyCheeks 01/09/2020 (Thu) 22:53:17 No. 206675 [Reply] [Last]
Hey, I have been wondering if anyone would be interested in trying to spread unorthodox thought to the online public. What exactly? I'm planning on setting up an online group for production of media (posters, flyers, infographs, articles) that stand against market and liberalism as solution to modern problems. I would want it to focus on problems in the economy and ecology and offer post-capitalist solutions to them. Their job is to explain the capitalist system to a lay person in easy and understandable way inspired by leftist thought. how would it be organized? My intention is to set up a chat on some online platform and split up the workload between people. The exact organization would depend on the size and what not. We'll bother ourselves about that in detail if it gets to an size which would make it necesarry. what skills can I contribute with? anything and everything relating to the topics. If you think you can help with theory, be my guest. If it is art you are welcome too. I will need some way to verify you are not a /pol/yp, so that will be the only restriction. Don't take this as a job. It's an online project that you can contribute with if you have free time. I will never expect anyone to rush something and I have no intention of larping as a boss. If people are interested I'll set up something tomorrow or over the weekend. I'll make myself somehow known as the OP Side note, this project isn't exactly for "socialism". While post-capitalism is certainly leftism, this project will focus on modern theory. This isn't about endorsing the SU or the free territory. Example: Cockshott (as an important theorist), and in turn Marxism, i'm fine with. Posting numbers of how many people Stalin didn't kill I am not. /POL/YPS NOT WELCOME
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>>207678 >>207728 It's pretty based overall. That bit is more or less representative of the whole thing. There's at least one part that is Sakai levels of retard idpol though. No, the hunter part of hunter-gatherers were not a "leisure class" going hunting merely to have fun with The Boys and contributing nothing to society. Breathtakingly retarded take that gets unironically shilled for an entire issue.
Is this still happening? I've sent an email already.
>>208641 Yeah, i'm OP. Sorry, but I had to deal with family stuff today. Check in two hours
Op here. I got two replies to the email but was only able to find one guy on Riot. If you still are interested try checking if you have sent the correct Riot nickname or if you have replied to me with a right email. The emails i'm using ends in @mail.com not @gmail.com
>>206675 We do have Bunker Media already: https://discord.gg/2hSd7y

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What makes hoo-mans so damned special? Anonymous 01/12/2020 (Sun) 19:46:40 No. 210280 [Reply] [Last]
Why are we different from other living organisms? Nothing else conceptualizes itself, introspects, wonders about their place in the universe, writes down their histories, creates epic tales of heroics and villainy, fights epic wars that decide the fate of all living things and all of their species (as far as we know). Why us? Why are we and species almost identical to us the only things like us? That think? Wonder? Make myths? Make histories? Why are we alone? Why am I human? Why are any of you human? Why are we so different from everything else that lives? Are we different than anything else that lives? Perhaps we're just apes with really good crafting skills? Perhaps we are as ants on a much larger scale? Ants fight wars and have agriculture and limited animal husbandry, after all. And everything that lives engages in some form of labor, seemingly. Are we not so special? But then again, nothing else finds fascination and wonder with the world, with themselves. We crafted spirituality in seeing the beauty and danger of nature. Afterlives in the face of mortality. Religions in the face of other men. Why us, why humans, is this a gift, is it a curse, why do we seem alone, and are we alone?
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>>210901 Human civilization has a nebulous history but we can imagine it fist formed with the hunter-gather peoples realizing that they could influence the environment around them to better allow for scavenging for food they like as well as promoting the types of environments that their prey thrives in. We could see this in practice with the native americans, where they would use fire to burn down large swathes of forest to promote buffalo grazing and would selectively allow for trees they preferred to grow over trees they didn't like, which they usually uprooted and used to smoke food. All of the US' "virgin forests" have tree type compositions that nowhere reflects what the natural outcomes should be, so the Native Americans likely modified the whole extent of nature in the Americas to better suit their survival. This abundance of food allowed for division of labor, so people could do things other than be hunter-gatherers, which was likely the first foundation of what we would recognize as civilization as opposed to just surviving like animals. Other people would see the abundance of food and either join up with this pre-historic tribes or adopt their methods and form their own tribes. So humans largely "domesticated" themselves, because they saw the benefits of the processes that led to civilization.
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I should also add, abundance of food would be what allowed for early humans to domesticate other animals, since they had food to spare, they could use that food to bring up animals that excelled at different jobs - wolves for hunting animals, horses for traveling distances at speed, so on.
>>210878 This would be true if we weren’t shamelessly practicing dog eugenics.
>>211148 dog eugenics, as far as we could tell, was more of a 1600's to now kind of thing. before that it was more natural selection sorting out which dogs survived best in the environments the humans lived in.

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Anonymous 01/01/2020 (Wed) 00:31:42 No. 192953 [Reply] [Last]
ITT:Leftist pepes
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>>209493 That second one is so fucking based.

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ANARCHIST TACTICS Anonymous 01/10/2020 (Fri) 22:14:27 No. 207975 [Reply] [Last]
anarchism has always been a niche ideology despite its good ideas,lets change that,here we can discuss tactics,strategies and the future of the movement
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>>207977 If you really want to break people's preconceptions call yourself anarcho-communist or better yet libertarian socialist. That will confuse the fuck out of a lot of normies.
What anarchists definitely get right which ML parties lack right now is the focus on direct action
>>207975 The first thing most anarchist movement needs to do is finally removing itself any liberal trappings accumulated over the last century. Especially any semblance of authoritarian vs liberal, idpol, whiteman’s burden, anti-independence against albeit dictatorial countries needs to go ASAP. Next thing is a cohesive structure to create strategy and tactics without being too overbearing in the direct democracy part, which also answers the question of what truly constitutes “necessary hierarchy”.
>>210983 >Next thing is a cohesive structure to create strategy and tactics without being too overbearing in the direct democracy part Platformism already ties to answer that question.
>>210804 This is a good point, and it does not get directly faced, head-on, often enough. I am in Australia, and our far left is mostly Trots (and sort of post-Trot parties), with some MLs, and some anarchists. For all the differences in theory, the biggest difference isn't in "praxis" so much as pure reflexive HABIT. Trots love just calling rallies, marching from A to B, and selling newspapers; MLs are mostly active within union politics, and anarchists do two things: >20-person protests outside of a cafe that didn't pay someone for a trial shift; and >Get arrested on environmental blockades, XR, etc. What interests me about these methods of activity isn't that they arise from deep-seated theoretical disagreements; quite the opposite, it's that they exist as pure habits of people and movements, rarely even open to discussion. Especially pertinent here is that (for the most part) anarchists don't really engage in union movement politics in an organised way*, and various Marxists don't normally take part in direct action (except to the extent that the point-A-to-point-B-march-with-speeches is directish). The entire left could really stand to have a good big conversation about why we adopt the tactics we do, rather than kneejerking into reflexive stances just bcoz. * between the Anarcho Syndicalist Federation (ASF-IWA, the CNT-AIT affiliate), the IWW and the Australian Anarchist Federation there MIGHT be 100 people in the whole country, but mostly they don't engage in dual-card organising within the registered trade unions. This is not a universal fact, there could be individual exceptions. And pls don't go telling me about your four-member affinity group in Melbourne that just started is DEFINITELY gonna reboot the anarchist movement in Australia any day now.

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Permaculture Anonymous 12/15/2019 (Sun) 01:53:45 No. 161914 [Reply] [Last]
The practice and principles of Permaculture are one of the most important tools for not only creating a sustainable socialism, but also for repairing the damage done to the global ecosystem by capitalism, and lessening your individual reliance on the current capitalist system.
Permacultural practice and socialism are two very powerful allies, and learning about permaculture should be necessity for modern socialists and communists.
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>>209177 While that is true, that land and resources that produce that grain could be re-allocated to produce other foods which, though they may likely yield less calories/acre-year, would still be enough to feed the population.
>>191880 Late response sorry. So I basically tossed a thought out their, I'll try to extend this in another post soon.
Alright lads, Permaculture Design Manual, Intro to Permaculture, Permaculture 1 and 2 just arrived in the mail. Let's do this shit. As the man said: Learn, Learn, Learn!
>>211067 Are you willing to dissect and scan your books for the education of all degenerates on this mongolian throat singing forum?
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>>211075 I would prefer not to, but (or because) they are already available on sites like libgen. I bough the hard copy because a) I like hard copy b) I bought direct from Tagari, which is the community publisher c) it will be useful when the power goes out and western industrial civilisation finally collapses

Public Transportation thread Anonymous 01/12/2020 (Sun) 20:28:27 No. 210384 [Reply] [Last]
ITT: we discuss why right wingers have such a hate boner for public transportation and also about public transportation under leftism.
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>>211042 Pedantic point: JR Hokkaido and Shikoku are owned by the national government and a bunch of regional railways are owned by local government. Fares are pretty variable - it's only really the high speed trains that are horribly expensive. The thing about JR is that it's basically a corporatist institution. It's privately owned, but basically run as an entity unto itself. All of the branches are theoretically independent companies but all work together. In talking about Japanese railways, JR is enough of a special case that it's common to use "private" to refer only to non-JR railway companies (like Keio Corporation). Not that I'm defending the privatization. It was basically just a hack to (a) move the debt from Japanese National Railways off balance sheet and (b) reduce wages and conditions for JR workers.
>>211072 Remember when Japan made an alternate history anime about a world where JR was never privatized? I do, but I which I didn't.
>>211072 >Not that I'm defending the privatization. It was basically just a hack to (a) move the debt from Japanese National Railways off balance sheet and (b) reduce wages and conditions for JR workers. as expected from privatization. I forgot to add that it's expensive for what I'm used to. For example it's cheap compared to the prices of rail transportation in UK.
>why right wingers have such a hate boner for public transportation Public transportation is a component of the public sphere, and considering public transit means considering the common good. Therefore public transportation is inherently political. 90% of the conservative mindset is a wish for politics to stop happening (which itself comes from a desire to preserve existing power hierarchies), so they instinctively oppose it.
>>210544 trains used to be a symbol for capitalism and capitalists

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Raiding /pol/ Anonymous 01/05/2020 (Sun) 18:22:04 No. 199130 [Reply] [Last]
/pol/ is in a sad state, Nazism has been replaced by Drumpf supporters, Communism and Nazbol have become more popular. If I made a Communist general would you help by bumping and btfoing them?
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>>210287 tired edginess is basically 4chan as a whole.
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>>199130 In the case that you're being honest, Why bother with those fuckwits? Honest to god, what do you fear losing that hasn't already been lost, and what do you seek to gain what you already have? Any self respect for this board is lost, as for every year of gold we get two more filled with shit, either due to fuckwit mods or fuckwit users. With us either spiting eachother over the most trivial shit, or twisting theory to cover our own reactionary beliefs. As for what we have, what do we have that /pol/ doesn't? >they have /tv/, /a/, /v/, etc Have we forgotten that we have our own entertainment board on this site? Fucking use it. And besides, who the fuck would want to go on most chan affiliated sites? They're reddit colonies for redditors who are too reddit for reddit. The chans are viewed with disgust and disdain, their icons are either laughing stocks or have been thoroughly BTFO. And say you were to take over /pol/. What then? Few years down the line we'll have some dipshit who claims to be /ourguy/ only for our own mods or said guy to throw us under a bus and fracture the community in twain as is the nature of the chans. Fact is, there's hardly anything redeeming about leftypol or the chans other than to shitpost or to view the spiral of fuckery that happens here every week. If you genuinely want to make a difference, lead by example. Make a commune, make your own farm, go to a fucking book reading or work on improving yourself or making new friends. Come the end of this year, you really think anyone on the left is going to give a shit if a few anons from leftypol miraculously take over /pol/? They're already a laughing stock and in the grand scheme of things, a very loud minority that's growing fainter. Did any of you guys see what happened to those dumb cunt nazis who tried to hijack an anti-war rally in America a few weeks back? They literally acted like all /pol/yps do. Speak like a fucking world of warcraft character, and run off with their tails between their legs flipping people off as they were hounded away by people telling them to fuck off.

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>>210959 >In greece, anarchists are feeding and sheltering refugees and the homeless and killing fascists in drive by shootings. Redpill me on the current leftist movement in Greece. This sounds based but I only heard it repeated here.
>>199273 It's hard Anon. Arguing with someone who believes all current knowledge is a conspiracy theory and unironically believes in the great replacement basically ensures that conventional argumentation won't be effective. For me personally, it took a close friend confronting my mindset and beliefs to pull me out.
>>210987 check out Exarchia, basically a section of Athens that was the run-down Detroit part of Athens that the Anarchists have siezed and basically turned into an autonomous zone. Police are too afraid to enter because all the refugees and citizens there throw bricks at them from the apartment building windows, and every government excursion to try and retake the place has failed. The anarchists there organize community services and harbor refugees from the ME that can't find a home, create things like community gardens in vacant lots and on the rooftops to cut down on their dependence on the outside, have independent tradesmen working in the community to help everyone out, and that kind of stuff. Moreover, the government is too scared to shut down services there because they have rioted and fucked up the whole city in the past when they tried to.

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Anonymous 01/13/2020 (Mon) 01:41:43 No. 210796 [Reply] [Last]
Billy's Bragg's international has amazing instrumentation, too bad the lyrics are so cringey
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>>210796 he's a rich faggot anyway
>>210811 So are you, nigger.
>>210814 says who?
>>210796 absolutely this. why did he even rewrite it? There were already several English translations.
>>210851 Most of the English translations are shit though

Music: Which side are you on? Anonymous 01/11/2020 (Sat) 16:25:00 No. 208670 [Reply] [Last]
link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAIM02kv0g This is a great song for socialists in the US. It brings hope and knowledge to the working class of the US
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I am against music.
>>210706 Based
>>210743 lmao what's the context for this?
hobby exists for this kind of stuff :/ >>210743 idk if it's true or not bc I heard about it on twitter, but the Chilean government blamed LOONA / Kpop in general for the recent protests. If it's true then stan Liga Obrera Organizado Nacional Anti fascista if it's not then still stan LOONA

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Based Mike Prysner Anonymous 01/09/2020 (Thu) 01:16:33 No. 205307 [Reply] [Last]
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>>209596 >>209767 Name a single communist revolution that achieved socialism.
name a single thing to ever happen
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>>209338 Well fuck, I don't see how any movement could upend the federal government without significant defection across branches. How do we even begin persuading these cunts to betray their class?
>>210134 >but when it comes to 'muh troops' which are pretty much the world's pigs, a lot of apologetic language. Maybe because they just kill brownies in some faraway place they don't actually give a damn about. no it’s because without defections from an army revolution is imposssible see >>209596 Communists in the US should tow a nuanced lie regarding the troops, not because it is theoretically correct, but because it is pragmatic.
>>210134 They kill brownies in the US as well though you fuckwit

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