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Burger election war 09/25/2020 (Fri) 03:28:36 No. 899678 [Reply] [Last]
Trump said he won't go, that makes the US electoral system fucked if he loses, thus there is a high probability of conflict and mass protests when the results come in. So American comrades, are you ready? Are you planning for this event to further the cause? Will you just join the chaos? Or will you watch it on the internet and laugh nervously?
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>>899678 First was Paris Commune, 2 months. Then was USSR, 70 years. Now it's gonna be the USS of A, the last attempt. Niggеrs (as in "our brothers from another mother"), don't you dare to fuck it up cuz otherwise we're all doomed for extinction as a species.
>>900130 I love how every western leftist leaves china out of these things. Myopic retards lmfao
>>900179 >everything that isn't the Porkies' Republic of Chyna is "western" More like it's going to take the place of US in case they fall. And you have the foolishness to call someone myopic while not knowing the sheer amount of backstabbes to communists made by PRC in its history.
>>900179 not leaving china out of it means accepting dengist lies about socialism by 20502075 kek
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>>900098 >sanders

It's time to take the blackpill Anonymous 09/25/2020 (Fri) 03:35:53 No. 899691 [Reply] [Last]
bumplocked: low effort sectarianism, fake news. Stalin was an illiterate and a tyrant that killed any hope for socialism. He banned Marx texts as they were published because they contradicted his regime. He edited Lenin texts to rid them of all mention of abolishing commodity-production. It's time to become a real socialist, anon.
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>>900134 >USSR was a social democracy <How? >Ummmmmm..........bureaucrats?
>>900285 Commodity-production with a state to redistribute wealth.
>>900302 >Muh commodities See: >>899716 There wasn't even a capitalist class along with numerous other reasons that it wasn't a social democracy.
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>>900526 Lower phase =/= transitory phase The lower phase does not have commodity-production. Nowhere in that Gotha passage does Marx imply they do. It has labor vouchers but that's not commodity-production.

Cringe white leftists think they can run Chin- Anonymous 09/21/2020 (Mon) 16:38:21 No. 888480 [Reply] [Last]
-wait a minute... My Declaration of Withdrawal from the Party >My name is Zhang Laushi, born in 1928 April to a common peasant family on Gaozhou Peninsula, Shandong Province. At age 14, as a youth brigade leader, I joined the war to resist Japanese aggression and in the mid of the Huihai campaign when I was 20, I joined the Chinese Communist Party. >Thinking of my comrades in arms, half of whom were sacrificed. Their lively faces still fresh in my eyes, getting stronger as time passes. Erbi, Anxum, Yuedi and there was another one we called Older Brother, were all lost to us forever in one minor action. The Huihai campaign was victorious, but our minor action in it was very tragic and our sacrifice huge. >At that time, I decided to join the Communist Party. I swore that I would offer all I have to work for the independence of the Chinese people, their freedom and liberation. I swore that everyone must have food, clothes, without people oppressing other people, exploiting other people and to the creation of a new society, I offer my entire life struggle. >Wherever the Party puts me, I shall be there. “I pledge to struggle for communism, never to betray the Party” That is my life commitment. >The Cultural Revolution ended 25 years ago. The doctrine of the dictatorship of the proletariat has been smashed to bits. >Our once great and glorious and correct Chinese Communist Party, by losing blood tie to the people and supervision by the people, has gone through radical transformation. Now its corruption is the world’s worst. Our nation is divided into two classes and the gap between the classes is also the world’s worst. >Does not twenty-five years of lesson prove that the Cultural Revolution was correct and timely? Does it not prove that Chairman Mao’s demand for continuing revolution under the dictatorship of the proletariat correct? >Even though my cultural level is not high, I only have an elementary school education. Although I do not have high level theoretical understanding, I know that communism is the collective ownership of the means of production, which mean common sharing of wealth. The road we are traveling is pure capitalism.

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>>899438 >>899451 AHAHAHAHAHA, you already lost that privilege the moment I caught you being a dishonest piece shit. >In what way? Playing dumb again huh? More evidence to the pile. >It doesn't though. And how are you defining tyranny here, because the DotP is supposed to be an effective form of "tyranny" against the bourgeoisie Oh really now? Trying to bullshit me here? Source it sonny. >Because you're acting like a faggot. The fuck does that even mean in this context bigot divider. You have no justification here. >I'm going to assume you haven't because you wouldn't have to rush to search the internet for a hundred different sources that you haven't read, you would just have a few good sources on you that you go through to source your information, and from there we can have a discussion. For example, you want to talk about the Gulags and the Soviet politcal system, so you pull up Getty and read through him, focusing on information relevant to the Gulag system. Then you post that information when making your statements on the Gulag system, sourcing the quotes and tables directly. I then read that direct source, verify its background, and either agree (or disagree) with my own sourced information. Oh goody! I can be either play the poor incompetent who was desperately trying to find info for their actually legit overall point, or the masterful deceiver with a excellent point, only deceiving after his opponent has decided to do so THEMSELVES.

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>>899488 >AHAHAHAHAHA, you already lost that privilege the moment I caught you being a dishonest piece shit. Point out where I was doing this anywhere >Oh really now? Trying to bullshit me here? Source it sonny <Why do the anti-authoritarians not confine themselves to crying out against political authority, the state? All Socialists are agreed that the political state, and with it political authority, will disappear as a result of the coming social revolution, that is, that public functions will lose their political character and will be transformed into the simple administrative functions of watching over the true interests of society. But the anti-authoritarians demand that the political state be abolished at one stroke, even before the social conditions that gave birth to it have been destroyed. They demand that the first act of the social revolution shall be the abolition of authority. Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if it had not made use of this authority of the armed people against the bourgeois? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach it for not having used it freely enough? https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm >The fuck does that even mean in this context bigot divider. You have no justification here. Wait, do you actually think I'm calling you gay? Have you never used an imageboard? >Oh goody! I can be either play the poor incompetent who was desperately trying to find info for their actually legit overall point, or the masterful deceiver with a excellent point, only deceiving after his opponent has decided to do so THEMSELVES. Either way, your bullshit will not stand. False dichotomy, you were being a deceiver that was also making a bad point, and did so at the very beginning of the discussion when responding. >I don't think you quite understand my last point here: you already did it first. You think isn't obvious I could your little fucking around from the start. You been a little lying bastard yourself from the start. Misinterpretation of points on purpose, creating false goose chases. You thought I would just take that shit, did you. And now you want get away with your "oh poor me" crap. Point the fuck out where I was being dishonest. Show me where this occurred anywhere. My first post was here >>889461. Could you argue its my opinion? Yes. Is any of it dishonest? No. >AND THE BULLSHITTER KEEPS BULLSHITTING. On top of misinterpreting the point in purpose, you also lied about my updated sources being just Google e-books being behind a pay wall. They are not. Hell, even my original sources didn't have that shit. All of it is open info. Quit your lying scum. I'm talking about all your posts you piece of scum. Links like this https://books.google.com/books?id=hHJeZ2-iA6sC&pg=PA13&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false are books which have the majority of the chapters and relevant information pay walled. Even some of you archive.org links were held behind getting an account https://archive.org/details/sovietsocietytod00rywk/page/n263/mode/2up. Stop being a pathological liar and own up to your fuck up. >Deceiver playing deceiver. Oh boy, oh boy. What a annoyance. Show anywhere where I was being deceitful. Show me one fucking post.

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>>899562 >Point out wher- *WHEEZE* >Honestly, they should've implemented communism from the get go. They didn't. They didn't socialize their governments, kept class hierarchy, and also had fucking money. And that's not even getting into the unethical shit they pulled. >Damn bro if only they had pressed the "instant communism" button that comes with every copy of Das Kapital >But socialization? Not by a long shot. >The USSR objectively increased the socialization the production. You could argue it was lacking, but it did. Or are we redefining what the socialization of labour is in regards to Marx? <Capitalism won because of the mcdonalds >Take off the mask already liberal >they basically gave free ammo to capitalist propaganda because they were shit leaders. <ussr bad because right wingers tell me communism killed 100 gorillions people in the youtube comment section >How does that make me a liberal again?

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>>899733 >Damn bro if only they had pressed the "instant communism" button that comes with every copy of Das Kapital I didn't state this >The USSR objectively increased the socialization the production. You could argue it was lacking, but it did. Or are we redefining what the socialization of labour is in regards to Marx? This wasn't a dishonest statement >Take off the mask already liberal Neither was this, it was an insult <ussr bad because right wingers tell me communism killed 100 gorillions people in the youtube comment section Didn't say this >Because you seem to have this obsessive focus on its "ethical" presentation, and it failing because of such. This isn't a dishonest statement >So how exactly do you expect to win? When they are lowering your family into the ditch, will you smile at your nobility at not having acted to prevent such? Even if it meant the deaths your enemies families? Neither is this >Ok, are you a fucking materialist or not. Because "behaviors create capitalism" is not a materialist view. Neither is this >Define your "ethics". My ethics is "by any means necessary". What are yours? Or this

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>>899733 >Let's stop you right here chief. This ain't about revolutionary acts. This after that shit. When the dust settles, and there's no justification for acts such as soliders patrolling the street at all times, checkpoints on multiple streets and buildings, and security cameras basically everywhere. Why is there not? The revolution does not end when the revolution overthrows the government you idiot. Every single moment the USSR had to deal with constant acts of sabotage and subversion in it's borders should it have just not acted to counteract them? >This is a argument against anarchism. I am not a anarchist. Period I know you're not an anarchist, because at least anarchists make better arguments. You're just stating that they were unjustified, because they were unjustified, despite the immediate need for such methods. >I have. I'm asking for justification for your actions. Now hurry it up. Your asking me to justify calling you a faggot. Are you serious? >It's such a shame you were the one who bullshit first. Where? >Already did No, you didn't. You took honest statements on my views on the necessity of violence and "authority", and labeled them dishonest due to you disagreeing with them. You took me insulting you for having what I saw as an idealistic worldview as "lacking justification". And you took me stating that you were incorrect about the USSR as lying. None of what I stated was dishonest, I employed no dishonest tactics or methods when talking to you. I simply stated my views, and then backed them up. >Ah yes, forgot that last one. I had said earlier it was garbage and contains zero info. Other than that though, you ain't got shit. Dude, most google books do not provide you access to the whole book or chapter, and you continually spammed them without even referring to the parts you wished to talk about. And what do I mean "I ain't got shit"? You literally admitted to placing false links to waste my time purposefully. >Already did, rage some more. You didn't though. >Broke the rules huh? You mean after you treaded on them? The mods can go through my posts and determine if any of them broke the rules. You'd probably find it hard to find anything that is openly and obviously doing so. You actually did though, and admitted to it.

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Daily reminder that tankies can't read Anonymous 09/25/2020 (Fri) 05:53:46 No. 899924 [Reply] [Last]
bumplocked: very low effort sectarianism They just parrot the same Lenin strawmen of anarchists from the 1920s. Even Marx and Engels misrepresented anarchists like Proudhon and Bakunin. It's time MLs looked in the mirror.
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>>899924 Show your work. This is too low effort. What is an acceptable answer besides >no u <um no, actually u
Bumplocked for telling the truth.
>>899945 If it is, it is a content-less truth. Are people supposed to accept this uncritically? I know you're joking, but if OP's going to be sectarian, they should at least put some effort into it.
>>899945 This. We need a healthy struggle between these two major communist movements and have a synthesis of shooting marxists against a wall.

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The reddit question Anonymous 09/23/2020 (Wed) 21:37:44 No. 894695 [Reply] [Last]
Yeah reddit sucks, but acting superior because you frequent image boards is kind of stupid as well. It might be useful to try and grow leftypol, I can’t even remember how I discovered leftypol, I feel like most people on here now are just those that stayed from the old 8chan days, which has led to this chan slowing down. What can we do to get a presence on reddit so that maybe we can break the circle jerk. What subreddits are worth penetrating? should we bother to try and revive the dead /r/leftypol/? Is reddit just too far gone to even bother with? Anyways general lereddit threat.
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>>894695 If Reddit socialists have mass appeal why have they accomplished roughly the same (If not less than) a leftist vietnamese fingerpuppet forum community that came from a site run by a libertarian populated by mostly libertarians and neonazis, created by a crippled Coomer that was inspired by a cuck ?
>>894695 i found this place by googling 4chan for communists, had never even heard of it before
>>894695 Literally 70% of this board is from reddit or active users of reddit

Anonymous 09/23/2020 (Wed) 21:38:17 No. 894699 [Reply] [Last]
Why do marxist leninists act like they are the most radical members of the left when they are basiclly just succdems with a vanguard party?
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>>898427 just because other areas were more or less social democratic dosen't change the economic system of the eastern block like duh the western elite would have lost a lot if a vanguard party killed them and took control >>898431 >>898432 >>898437 >literally no arguments
>>898142 tankies are not allowed to make jokes comrade
>>898214 >they didn't get executed on the spot, they must be entryists! fuck off, your hero literally signed a treaty with Hitler.
>>899711 >muh german-soviet pact ! fuck off lib. like all europeans leaders at the time. And despite offering them to attack hitler together. And it gave them absolutely crucial machinery for industrialization that none of the other developed countries were willing to sell them, which is ironically enough one of the main reason of the soviet victory.

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Recreational Drugs and Gay Rights Anonymous 09/24/2020 (Thu) 06:43:11 No. 896352 [Reply] [Last]
If Communism is so cool, how come USSR, China and North Korea arrest people for smoking marijuana? In fact, USSR, China and North Korea also criminalize homosexuality. Why are there still victimless crimes and communist party treating people like slaves, who have no right over their bodies? When I ask Communists about that, I hear the usual conservative Nazi screeching, you will hear when asking some Trump supporter about why cops harass Black people for smoking weed.
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>>898787 is this accurate?
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I'll play along with the meme for the sake of it, but these memes are kinda funny because a lot of the "let's have a strong police force" stuff is because the communists were actually in power, where supporting a strong police force in America is just going to mean giving even more power and resources to people who beat up communists for fun. Also the Soviet Union did not like national chauvinism, because it was a multi-national federation. Also if you want some great Soviet art, check out the compositions of Aram Khachaturian, one of the most accomplished composers of the 20th century and author of Gayane (1942) and Spartacus (1954). Big deal. Won the Stalin Prize. Even Hollywood movies use his stuff. Well, he was Armenian, not Russian. https://youtu.be/DoIhx7aGwNI The main character in "Fall of Berlin" (other than Stalin) is basically the guy on the right but it's not quite accurate since he's a steel worker instead of a coal miner, and he loves his wife, Natasha, a schoolteacher who is his equal and gives speeches at their community hall about how Stalin is based and cool. https://youtu.be/t-hZam8dXHU
>>898931 Also it's funny because that Khachaturian song was used in the Hudsucker Proxy in the famous hula hoop scene. You wouldn't think that the classical music in a Coen Brothers film is a "Stalinist" song produced during the Great Patriotic War, but it do be like that. https://youtu.be/Ng3XHPdexNM
>>897200 Spookity spook, people who use "degenerate" unironically will get free pass to gulag:^)
>>898956 I dont think so commie, i dont believe in hand outs

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Anonymous 09/24/2020 (Thu) 21:07:44 No. 898830 [Reply] [Last]
how do I cope with this as a stalinist? Hitler was clearly the Chad here Anchored: Retarded low effort bait shitposting, probably a /pol/ false-flag
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>>898930 >shit at being a soldier, become a grass instead the absolute state
>>899065 >How does that work? Upwardly mobile peasant stock, beginning with his civil servant father. The Hitler family looked down on those who'd "failed" to lift themselves out of abject poverty like his father had, even while they were certainly not particularly wealthy themselves (and considering Alois drank away a lot of the money). Hitler likewise was utterly convinced he was to continue ascending the economic ranks in his own adulthood. There's a brief section in one of the wartime psychological profilings examining why Hitler, despite being homeless for 5 years, did not become a leftist that expounds on this and a number of other contributing factors. One was that as an out-of-shape slacker, he was unfit for manual labor jobs where trade unionist presence was high. Another was he was not a great thinker or reader lmao. His views were formed on feelings, and intellectual inquiry served only to provide a logical prop to preconceived conclusions. Anyway, re: Hitler, lumpen or petit-bourg, consider the testimony of a man who lived with him in a homeless shelter for several years. >But unfortunately Hitler was never an ardent worker. I often was driven to despair by bringing in orders that he simply wouldn't carry out. At Easter, 1910, we earned forty kronen on a big order, and we divided it equally. The next morning, when I came downstairs and asked for Hitler, I was told that he had already left with Neumann, a Jew, also living at the Maennerheim. After that I couldn't find him for a week. He was sightseeing Vienna with Neumann and spent much of the time in the Museum. When I asked him what the matter was and whether we were going to keep on working, he answered that he must recuperate now, that he must have some leisure, that he was not a coolie. When the week was over he had no longer any money. What had he done with it? He could eat four or five pieces of pastry with whipped cream in a cheap coffeehouse, but he drank no wine and did not smoke. http://marcuse.faculty.history.ucsb.edu/projects/hitler/sources/30s/394newrep/394NewRepHanischHitlersBuddy.htm
>>898891 >Hitler lost to a manlet lel
In fact Stalin tried to enlist to military in early WW1 but he was not accepted by czarist officers because his left arm was fucked from a childhood accident.
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Anti-fascist Reading List Anonymous 09/24/2020 (Thu) 13:59:31 No. 897599 [Reply] [Last]
Hello /leftypol/, anonymous youtube celery coming in requesting a helping hand and recommending me some good anti-fascist literature. Every now and again I browse 4chan and on certain boards it is irrevocably a neo-nazi hug box where they talk about Hitler, the jews, call black people subhuman apes ect. Fascists have astroturfed 4chan so I know that place is a lost cause, but the problem is that they are also all over youtube and other internet platforms, and if these claims go undebunked, then some people might just believe them. So I was wondering if you guys had a word document or a list of books that I could read that would address a lot of their arguments. Some of their common talking points and rhetoric include, but are not limited to: >race realism >the jewish question >skull shape >women should have less rights >old things good >new things bad If you guys have any books, articles, literature, or footnotes I could look into that would be great. I look forward to creating anti-fascist propaganda.
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>>897599 "Nationalism and Culture" by Rudolf Rocker. Just finished it and i can only recommend it to everyone.
>>897809 Neither Dachau nor Begen-Belsen were extermination camps, are you falseflagging? And what is that picture you posted, the "admixture" part is unsourced and looks blatantly incorrect also missing the IQs
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>>897809 I'm scrolling through the autist /his/fag blog It's a massive wall of text and some things are actually counter productive like pic related How does this not make things even worse? >oh there is AKSHUALLY also reports of 4,5 and 7 millions deaths long before ww2! It's Snopes tier "debunking"

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The Bourgoise is NOT the poltical ruling class. Anonymous 09/24/2020 (Thu) 02:54:47 No. 895837 [Reply] [Last]
The ruling class must be plausibly identified. It should be noted immediately, in contradistinction to Marxist principles of social analysis, that this is not the ‘capitalist bourgeoisie’. Logically, it cannot be. The power of the business class is already clearly formalized, in monetary terms, so the identification of capital with political power is perfectly redundant. It is necessary to ask, rather, who do capitalists pay for political favors, how much these favors are potentially worth, and how the authority to grant them is distributed. This requires, with a minimum of moral irritation, that the entire social landscape of political bribery (‘lobbying’) is exactly mapped, and the administrative, legislative, judicial, media, and academic privileges accessed by such bribes are converted into fungible shares. The conclusion of this exercise is the mapping of a ruling entity that is the truly dominant instance of the democratic polity. The bourgoise is not the ruling class. The people they pay, the media-academic-bueracratic complex are. Prove me wrong.
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>>896032 >>897687 they (the janitor rats) kept kicking me out, I appreciate the support.
>It should be noted immediately, in contradistinction to Marxist principles of social analysis, that this is not the ‘capitalist bourgeoisie’. Logically, it cannot be. The power of the business class is already clearly formalized, in monetary terms, so the identification of capital with political power is perfectly redundant. It is necessary to ask, rather, who do capitalists pay for political favors, how much these favors are potentially worth, and how the authority to grant them is distributed. This requires, with a minimum of moral irritation, that the entire social landscape of political bribery (‘lobbying’) is exactly mapped, and the administrative, legislative, judicial, media, and academic privileges accessed by such bribes are converted into fungible shares. The conclusion of this exercise is the mapping of a ruling entity that is the truly dominant instance of the democratic polity. How to type a lot of words without actually saying anything.
Nah the Rentier class is.
>>895942 >This is what happened in Mexico, for example, where they weren't necessarily replaced by pinochet, but a liberal conservative party in line with porky interests. When was this? Before or after the Mexican revolution?

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