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Anonymous 12/02/2020 (Wed) 20:10:37 No. 1190584 [Reply] [Last]
What reforms would be made to the criminal justice system under communism?
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>>1191087 The Red Army is the strongest.
>>1191069 Dumbledore is a loser, i think he died in the series or something, therefore hes just a weakling. >>1191078 SO LET THE REDS GRIP WITH STRENGTH
>>1191084 The fuck are you on about
>>1191103 I see this thread before. Why you make copy?

Biden’s victory Anonymous 12/02/2020 (Wed) 22:47:57 No. 1191095 [Reply] [Last]
I know that Biden’s victory means returning to the same neoliberal status quo, but if you take a deeper look into what trump’s loss and it’s effect on the right has done, it has smashed the conservative right into pieces. Allow me to explain the people that voted for trump actually think that there was voter fraud, meaning like 82% of trump supporters believe this election is delegitimate, Meanwhile, the GOP and establishment republicans are jumping off the sinking ship that is trump with lifeboats. This is leading to many paleo conservative and far right movements like the America First movement of the groypers or the patriot front movement to grow resentment towards establishment conservatives, who for king have done nothing but continue to lose. The only thing they really are conserving is the capitalist status quo, allowing social progression to take place across the country. This is eventually going to blow into a full blown conflict between the far right and establishment conservatives. While that happens, the nazis and the wignats are also growing tired of the America First movement and the far right as well, and they are beginning to grow resentment towards both the republicans and the far right paleoconservative movement, resulting in even more conflict within the American Right. Meanwhile, while biden is still a corporatist piece of shit, him moving the overton window left will push the american people into tasting socialist policies like M4A, and police reform, climate regulations, and education that won’t make kids bankrupt. When trump got elected, we saw a spark of far right rallies and movements coming out of the shadows, remember charlottesville? Although biden is not nearly the Left version of trump, it does whitepill me on the future of american policies. America will get a taste of a left leaning overton window, which will allow other socialist groups to begin to unravel slowly and organize and grow their numbers, while the American right fights and destroys itself. Sorry if this was a long read, just wanted to share my thoughts. What’s your /leftpol/ thinking about this?
Sorry for the typos or the auto corrects :(
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>bidens victory wrong
>>1191095 >social progression the republicans aren't holding back "social progress" since its a spook

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Settlers Anonymous 11/26/2020 (Thu) 20:08:39 No. 1173926 [Reply] [Last]
>Next to nothing known about the author >Says that there's no white proletariat so organizing is pointless >Extremely popular in academic(controlled opposition) "Marxist" circles How does anyone not see that this book is cointelpro?
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>>1182190 >Ad-Hoc Committee for a Marxist-Leninist Party what
>>1190458 A quick internet search would give the information that it was glowing ‘anti-revisionist’ MLMs
>>1190834 They couldn't have been MLMs since MLM didn't exist yet, but yeah they were an FBI front party in the 60s.
>>1190847 I only said MLM since Maoists are also described in this front. But it is apparent the distinction is tenuous and dependent on interpretation at best, so I’m not gonna argue too much about it.
>radlibs shilling for settlers Gather around everybody, an american """""communist""""" is going to tell us how he does not benefit from american imperialism and how his spooks are actually.good.for.the communist cause.

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Anonymous 12/02/2020 (Wed) 12:49:36 No. 1189663 [Reply] [Last]
Why does the theory of imperialism always have to be reified across entire nation-states? Why can't the left denounce imperialism across sub-national regions, like for example the imperialism of major finance cities like London or New York soaking up capital and commodities, at the expense of proletarian manufacturing areas and the rural hinterlands?
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>>1190781 Is there any manufacturing being done in any of these big cities nowadays?
>>1189663 Because capitalist classes operate on a national basis, as they created national markets during the period of bourgeois revolutions. Imperialism is carried out by nation-states who are ruled by a national capitalist class. The profits of imperialism and development being uneven do not negate that.
>>1190621 Agriculture will be fully automated soon so we well be able to do without them before long.
>>1190861 What have you grown?
>>1190861 >not being agsoc gang

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News 12/1/20 News Anon 3.0 12/01/2020 (Tue) 21:22:46 No. 1188186 [Reply] [Last]
Iran says Israel used remote-controlled machine gun to kill top nuclear scientist Iranian President Hassan Rouhani blamed Israel for the killing on Saturday and vowed retribution "in due time." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-accuses-israel-remote-controlled-machine-gun-kill-nuclear-scientist-mohsen-fakhrizadeh/ Air strike kills IRGC commander at Iraq-Syria border, Iraqi officials say An air strike killed a commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard at the Iraq-Syria border sometime over the weekend, Iraqi security and local militia officials said on Monday.Officials could not confirm the identity of the commander, who they said was killed alongside three other men travelling in a vehicle with him. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-iraq-syria-strike-kills-irgc-commander Israel headed for early elections as Gantz-Netanyahu coalition falls apart Defense Minister Benny Gantz announced tonight that his Blue and White party would vote in favor of dissolving parliament on Wednesday because Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu — Gantz's political rival turned coalition partner — was refusing to pass a budget and reneging on their power-sharing deal. https://www.axios.com/gantz-vote-dissolve-knesset-early-elections-israel-3930fac5-e68d-43ca-ba9b-a62326aaf7fe.html Twitter suspends Thai royalist account linked to influence campaign Twitter has suspended a Thai pro-royalist account linked to the palace that a Reuters analysis found was connected to thousands of others created in recent weeks spreading posts in favour of King Maha Vajiralongkorn and the monarchy. https://www.reuters.com/article/thailand-protests-royalists/exclusive-twitter-suspends-thai-royalist-account-linked-to-influence-campaign-idUSKBN28910J Azerbaijan fully reclaims lands around Nagorno-Karabakh

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>>1188502 I thought it had satellite guidance and all that - I don't know anything about the logistics, but wouldn't something this high profile still need to get approval from the US?
>>1188507 I only meant to speak to logistics. The operation itself was likely greenlit by Trump on his way out the door. It may have been passively cooking for the past couple of years. >satellite guidance That's the spoopy propaganda term for GPS, I think. Then again, Israel has been doing disinfo for millennia so details may vary from reality.
>>1188298 I'm not clear with the article is talking about wet bulb or or regular temperature? 95 isn't lethal unless the humidity is very high
>>1188962 It's talking about wet bulb temperature. I still don't really understand what wet bulb is,or what's the point of doing it that way,even after checking the sources,the only thing I got was that "normal" temperatures were higher than it.
>>1188469 >By "German man" do they mean a nationalised immigrant who like became an islamist No. >or was he a schizo / nazi? he's believed to be the former. but it's not yet all clear.

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Anonymous 11/30/2020 (Mon) 07:29:12 No. 1183485 [Reply] [Last]
Looking to get an audio book of Das Kapital. All of it please. I watched the 10 hour live stream because it was the longest on YouTube but I swear it cuts off unfinished. Anyone have anything?
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>>1183516 Thanks for the actual answer. I guess I'll just have to go through the whole thing all over again until I can confirm I've gone through it completely.
>>1183532 The first chapter is always and always will be beautiful prose to the ear Enjoy comrade
>>1183485 Here's Capital Vols 1 to 3 from Audible: https://mega.nz/folder/Bsx3yY6J#LlrvD190U5_drf1ZPrtuhA
>>1188218 I've been listening to this for a while. It helps listening to it first then reading the actual text and taking notes, highlighting and underlining.
>>1188218 Thanks, Anon. I have been looking for this for some time.

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synthetic lynching and frozen conflict Anonymous 12/02/2020 (Wed) 20:46:46 No. 1190679 [Reply] [Last]
https://www.crisisgroup.org/united-states/antagonizing-neighborhood-putins-frozen-conflicts-and-conflict-ukraine Do you think it would be possible for us to make a deep faked, synthetic lynching, and then leak it on social media? Could this be used to start a "frozen conflict" on American soil? Will starting such a conflict be necessary to subdue the USA while China passes them?
I’m not sure if you’re from /pol/ or belong to an alphabet agency.
I'm not sure what the fuck this is supposed to mean

Were Marx and Engels also friends or just work partners? Anonymous 11/27/2020 (Fri) 11:58:57 No. 1175584 [Reply] [Last]
I just wanna know guys I wanna know the answer Were they also heterosexual life partners?
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Is it just me, or is it rare that high-level philosophy bro’s get along like this? Normally they can’t put aside their egos.
>>1179471 hahaha thank you for this
>>1179471 LMFAO
>>1179784 When Marx and Engels met they just instantly recognized they had same energy
Do y’all think Marx would have enjoyed Animal Crossing?

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Anonymous 11/30/2020 (Mon) 07:53:59 No. 1183552 [Reply] [Last]
someone give me a quick rundown on anarchism. what's their endgame? specifically what is the general anarchist "idea" of how anarchism comes to be. if we oversimplify the endgames of other ideologies we can see a pattern: socdem end game - labour party in power, they don't fuck up this time, happy social democratic society that the tories can't dismantle when they get back in demsoc end game - labour party or an "actual" socialist party in power, builds socialism with existing tools, happy socialist society where tories don't exist trotskyist endgame - labour in power, they fuck up, revolution, trotsky in power, liberates the israelis from Palestinian oppression or whatever as part of the global revolution this is specifically a half joke at the expense of the British AWL. broad ML endgame - revolution, them in power, rebuild a USSR type structure but with computers this time dengist endgame - them in power, use capitalist tools to build a socialist society in short, these all essentially revolve around seizing the state, which gives clear lodestones for the various fantasies of a better world that people hold. but what of anarchists? where the aim is to abolish the state, how does one interpret all the events of a state-based world? the dengist can look to china, the ML can calculate if the latest Labour government's reforms is advancing towards their preferred conditions or temporarily delaying them, and of course the socdem can simply look at the polls. but what does the anarchist do? can they cheer when Labour is returned to power on a manifesto of building a million railway lines, or must they decry this state-based action even if it's one of the best things the state has done in their lifetime? or am i being over-expensive? do anarchists instead look to examples of "actually existing anarchism", however temporary, as more of a way to find a potentially viable model towards a philosophical ideal? or to apply anarchist organising techniques to specific practical problems without trying to immanentize the eschaton? try to avoid shitposting about anarkiddies or whatever, i'm not saying anarchists are wrong to take the approach they take (because i don't know what it is), its just largely outside my frame of reference. alternative thread title: Richard Scarry's What Do Anarchists Do All Day
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>>1188017 > Direct democracy is the basis of anarchist and left-libertarianism political thought.... Direct democracy has been championed by anarchist thinkers since its inception with direct democracy as a political theory has largely been influenced by Anarchism... > Their view is that anarchism is not consistent with any concept of democracy. They reject not only capitalist representative democracy but even the direct democracy of libertarian socialist communes or workers’ management of industry, accepting neither majority rule nor consensus. My contrary view of the matter was expressed in the title of my essay, “Anarchism as Extreme Democracy.” (Price 2009) So I think it may advance the discussion if I express my opinion. I do not intend to go over their “flagship text” point-by-point, but to cover what I think are the major issues. There is also the camp that has "consensus" based views which effectively is anti democratic centralism. Which, what type of state does that sound like to you... hmmm?
>>1188017 The point is that anarchists thought is so half baked that they cannot even unite on a way to run their "democracy". Meanwhile, their members get so pissed off at bougie democracy, fail to plan or have strategy, overtake some liberal area, and then only to lose it again. All because they're too stuck on terminology and renaming their nonsensical beliefs to something less "statist". Round and round they go, where do they stop? Nobody knows. But, as long as they can have mohawks, fuck whoever they want, and cry about how their identity somehow makes them better than everyone else, they're good. That's why, every time a stupid fucking lib comes to power they shut the fuck and return to the hole they came out of. Notice how the protests have effectively yeeted existence because Trump lost?
>>1188011 >A larp on the internet isn't an organization We work outside the internet as well, for example we helped quite a bit of Polish pregnant women to cross the border so they can have a abortion that would be illegal in their own country. We have also done union work that has shown to increase pay in certain workplaces >commission And who says i support that either? You are assuming a lot >Direct democracy is a key ideal; if you think it's not, you're not an anarchist. Maybe you should go read Berkman "What is Anarchism?" Not every anarchist is Berkman. Maybe you should read Malatesta? Bob Black? Most post left anarchists today >But it lasted, hmm, 60-80 years and brought the entirety of USSR out of shithole Tsardom. What has Anarchism done besides break windows and cry about idpol? multiple territories have been established despite their terrible conditions (remember the Marxists lost the Spanish civil war too). What has Marxism done besides build something you can barley call socialist and then slowly fall into decay? Being shit for a long time and then falling is not a achievement >>1188025

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>>1183552 it sucks
It’s an ideology for the mentally retarded

Anonymous 11/13/2020 (Fri) 22:45:35 No. 1131054 [Reply] [Last]
How does a Marxist explain the fall of Rome?
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>>1187449 Because even after the Social War, the allies weren't really integrated into the political system. Then you had the conspiracies, leading to the first triumvirate (a conspiracy between the leading men of Rome to consolidate power and rig elections), and eventually the republic's abolition. After decades of lies and more lies, the Romans and the Italians had enough of "the nation" and just wanted the emperor to rule over them like any other king. Later Rome wasn't about cultural homogenity at all. Romanization of Gaul was not about making the Gauls into Romans out of some sense of racial affinity, but a way of introducing Roman technology and law so those tribes could be administered. A Gaul was still a Gaul, a Briton was still a Briton, but now they had baths and the elite Gauls learned philosophy. Those elites were still kept far apart from the Roman culture - cultural assimilation into a whole just wasn't the goal. The Empire was about getting everyone to accept Roman law and military power, rather than using that power to assimilate everyone into the Roman race. They were very multicultural, and they didn't get why some people like the Jews just doggedly refused to go along to get along. That was how it worked in Pagan civilization, how it worked the world over, and every big empire in that time was multicultural or at least had the goal of ruling over multiple cultures and eventually the world. There were definitely attitudes that people not from the area were barbarians or uncivilized, but this was not a racial or national consciousness, but a judgement of other cultures' technological advance and level of civilization. The land was just a place, not a "nation" in the modern sense. You can even see this in a lot of the world where the development of the nation-state didn't happen, or was hurried out of dire necessity, which leads to people having a very different conception of what "the nation" means. And even among Europeans, their conception of what their nations are varies, for example the way America constitutes itself is based on an ideology rather than any particular racial heritage or culture.
>>1187515 Basically, modern nation-states - even before the conception of modern democracies - were implied to be built "from the bottom up", i.e. the people must submit to authority and hand over power to the sovereign in some way. There's a history of willingness to agree to be ruled, and that goes back to political theory from the Renaissance, and then all the way back to the separation of church and state in late Antiquity. The Romans by contrast were ruled by the state, the state was the law and the good. The Republic wasn't "from the bottom up", with a separation of the state and the people - rather, the state itself was shared by an oligarchy for the sake of mutual benefit, because they didn't want to be ruled by a king. Conceptions of democracy, like for example in Athens, viewed the demos AS the state, rather than the state ruling over the people who submit to the state. In practice, early developments of this idea only really meant the nobility and commoners with money had rights against the state, rather than everyone, but liberalism really expanded the concept of who had natural rights and the idea that the state should be constrained further in favor of private rights. (This obvious works for good AND ill, because a big part of developing capitalism was enclosures and the claim on land and people as private property, and wageslavery is not significantly different from serfdom or slavery in practice and has always been treated as such.)
>>1187460 the eternal KKKraut
>>1187460 >>1187566 Marx was German though?
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>>1131054 >Marxist I prefer the Spengler

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