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/leftypol/ is a non-sectarian board for leftist discussion.

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JFK Anonymous 12/03/2019 (Tue) 23:04:39 No. 147621 [Reply]
What's the /lefty/ take on him and his subsequent assasination
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>>148986
>>148987
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGH!!!!
Thanks anon, that really made my day.
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>>147622
Oswald proofed, that killing the president of the USA is not enough, to dismantle capitalism.
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>>147621
What about his brother though?
>>147630
this plus he was the one to authorize the bay of pigs invasion
>>148684
>friendship and global wealth
<with bourgeois nation

Anonymous 11/19/2019 (Tue) 21:31:51 No. 132724 [Reply]
so are they a socialist or a demsucc party? they used to be a part of 2nd international, picrel listed marx, lenin and trotsky as political inspirations. Also their program had some vague shit about establishment of "socialism". sorry im just clueless at this point
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They're entryists, just vote for them ffs. Accelerationism is a bunch of bullshit.
>>132724
succdem
>>151047
He was at a May Day rally. Of course there would be communist banners everywhere.
>>151051
Somebody post the May Day rally clip where he mentions Posadists
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>>151080
this one?

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What are some good leftist news sources? Anonymous 12/06/2019 (Fri) 21:48:22 No. 150744 [Reply]
I've mainly just been getting news from twitter or here but I'd prefer to get it from an actual socialist group. I know of Jacobin but aren't they libs?
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>>150744
newsanon, of course
American Herald Tribune
The Greyzone
Mint Press News
The Canary
Consortium News
TeleSUR
RT America (more left than the Euro one)
China Daily
Sputnik Radio (Especially Loud and Clear w/ Brian Becker and John Kiriakou)
>>150778
This.
The Real News Network used to be good then Aaron Mate left and it got cucked for some reason
Maoistrebelnews, aka jason unruhe

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Anonymous 12/06/2019 (Fri) 21:34:02 No. 150713 [Reply]
so was the DERG in Ethiopia actual socialism and if it was why was it so shitty, I mean it basically did nothing good and it was ruled by a tyrant and it caused a famine that inspired a fucking christmas song saying how shitty it was. do we have to own this shit or was it just a junta
>>150713
You can't really blame them for that. They were in a constant state of brutal civil war with a million factions and experienced droughts in the middle of it.
The junta was supposed to be a temporary transitional thing however it lasted until 1987 when they formally established an actual vanguard party and the leader of the Derg became president.
Here's an archived thread from old /leftypol/ about it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190320045551/https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2769385.html

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Official /leftypol/ embassy thread Anonymous Board volunteer 09/25/2019 (Wed) 00:24:56 No. 71591 [Reply]
Hello everyone, I have set up this embassy topic in order to introduce new people on imageboards and elsewhere to leftist concepts (and /leftypol/) in an open and honest way.

Why should we be open? Well, because many internet users are terrified rightly or wrongly of shills, spooks, et cetera. Simply announcing who were are and where we're from sidesteps that whole debacle. We won't pretend to be 'fellow kids' (unless you are a regular poster on that board of course), simply give in a polite and considered way the reasons why that particular board/site's ideology is flawed and what leftism can offer.

Why should we be polite? Because this is not a raid, and we are not raiders. I'm sure you've seen plenty of raid threads on our board from /pol/, shit like LUL LEFTIST TRANNIES BTFO, do you even look twice at those pathetic cries for attention once you realise what they are? Of course not. And it doesn't take much thought for us to delete them either. On the other hand, if we approach our enemies, or, I would prefer, potential allies, with an honest discussion, only the truly dishonest can dismiss us as spammers or nuisance posters.

What exactly should we argue for? Well, I and one of the other vols worked up the template below which is catered for /pol/, but of course you may feel a different message works better in your chosen avenue of debate. However, I would like to stress a few key points;

1. Be honest. Don't hide that you're from /leftypol/ or your true beliefs.
2. Be open. Respond to honest questions or misunderstandings honestly.
3. Be polite. It's okay to participate in the usual banter of the site you are posting on, but angry rants at other users is unlikely to make anyone change their mind. On open hand is more likely to convince than a closed fist.
4. Be non-sectarian. Try not to shit on other leftist ideologies than your own, it's okay to say which one you favour and why, but ultimately I think we can all agree that outside of relatively minor doctrinal differences (when compared to capitalism), we all want the same thing.

Thank you anons, and remember, your participation is needed! I will post the currently active threads below.

/tv/ thread: https://boards.4channel.org/tv/thread/124325158
Edited last time by caballo on 11/19/2019 (Tue) 03:38:42.
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>>148924
funny thing is literally none of us "promote" race mixing or any of that other shit beyond not giving a shit about it all.
>>149659
Well they don't understand Marxism or Anarchism and they probably believe that if you don't ban race mixing, you're promoting it.
>>148935
Feels great, doesn't it? I love it when /pol/ gets trigerred and starts screeching about how they're going to be forced to undergo sexual reassignment surgery and force married to three black men in their liberal/communist society.
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>>150931
>one guy blaming increased insurance cost on Obama
are these faggots moron?

Russophobia Anonymous 12/05/2019 (Thu) 22:54:23 No. 149660 [Reply]
Why is russophobia? Why it isn't discussed as other forms of xenophobia?
Seriously, hating nigs and k1kes is comsidered to be something what rednecks and yokels do but hating russians is considered to be cool and hip even amongst the liberal intellectual milieu.

It's not only anti sovietism or anti communism, it's hatred based on national identity (but tbh russophobia and anticommunism are pretty interconnected in US and west, check out for example so called "Public law 86-90" about "captive nations" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_Nations)

Why people who are considered to be progressive or even leftist do such thing?
Obama litterally praised latvian nazi collaborators. Rosa-killer stiftung supported Maidan against "russian chauvinism"(https://www.newcoldwar.org/the-rosa-luxembourg-foundation-and-its-alliance-with-ukrainian-leftists-supporting-a-pro-nato-course-against-russia/)

Why is it when it comes to russia, liberals (and even the russian ones) support nazis and islamists?

Even braindead soviet dissidents like Solzhenitsyn and Shafarevich were noticing this.
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>>150869
>Not the United Socialist States of the Americas
>>149906
Does it count as "sectarianism" if you were to execute all these """socialists"""?
>>150926
Let your enemies execute your wishy-washy allies. It's dumb to waste manpower and bullets on purges.
>>150927
I don't think they're wishy-washy or allies. I think they are enemy assets.
>>150929
Blanquism is the correct route for keeping enemy assets out.

News 11/6/19 News Anon 3.0 12/06/2019 (Fri) 21:41:14 No. 150731 [Reply]
Greta Thunberg says school strikes have achieved nothing
The global wave of school strikes for the climate over the past year has “achieved nothing” because greenhouse gas emissions have continued to rise, Greta Thunberg has told activists at UN climate talks in Madrid.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/06/greta-thunberg-says-school-strikes-have-achieved-nothing

France Suffers Travel Woes As General Strike Enters 2nd Day
On a typical Friday, the Gare de Lyon railway station in Paris would be positively seething with travelers hustling to catch their trains or greet arrivals. After all, it saw some 110 million passengers walk through its doors last year alone.
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/06/785476045/france-suffers-travel-woes-as-general-strike-enters-second-day

Mexico's Govt Launches Massive Auction For 'Robin Hood' Program
Mexico’s government announced on Wednesday an auction of 600 lots consisting in more than 4,000 seized jewels, vehicles and residences,​ officials said on Wednesday, as part of a “Robin Hood” program to use millions of dollars in ill-gotten gains to aid the poor.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Mexicos-Govt-Launches-Massive-Auction-For-Robin-Hood-Program-20191205-0012.html

India's cabinet sends religion-based citizenship bill to parliament
India’s cabinet approved a bill on Wednesday to give citizenship to religious minorities persecuted in neighboring Muslim countries, the first time that the country is seeking to grant nationality on the basis of religion.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-citizenship/indias-cabinet-sends-religion-based-citizenship-bill-to-parliament-idUSKBN1Y819L

Johnson chased away from speech in Rochester by five protesters

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>India's cabinet sends religion-based citizenship bill to parliament

Lol they're only doing it because they know nobody would want to live in India.
>>150731
>Greta says school strikes have achieved nothing
Greta eco communist revolutionary 2020
How long until Greta googles Bookchin?
>>150884
never fucking anarkiddie
>>150731
>The global wave of school strikes for the climate over the past year has “achieved nothing” because greenhouse gas emissions have continued to rise
Yes, yes! Let the socialism flow through your veins!

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Anonymous 12/06/2019 (Fri) 23:32:55 No. 150847 [Reply]
>Stalin invaded Finland because he thought Hitler would use Finland to attack Leningrad
next scene
>Hitler also took an interest in Scandinavia
Also? The only reason Stalin took an interest is because of the Nazis
Netflix is full of anti-communist propaganda. Watch out.
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>>150847
Listen here anon. We good god fear Suomis were just protecting ourselves from communism. We didn't like the Nazis or anything, baka.

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Organising a 'state within a state' Socialist party/movement Anonymous 12/06/2019 (Fri) 00:21:03 No. 149767 [Reply]
Does anyone have any books/pamphlets/documentaries on how to establish a 'state within a state'. It seems to me to be the best way to establish dual power and i think we should push communist/socialist parties to focus on community programs rather then discussion groups and elections. Examples of Organisations i think we should take note of are the Black Panther Party and the Italian Communist party.

Here is some Lenin to get us started: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/09.htm
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do it like in this thread :

>>126583

>You may not like it, but this is what the ideal communist party looks like:

>Party members are members of both trade and tenants unions, not only this, but a certain department of the party will be trained so that they are active within these unions and are competent organisers in both these areas. If necessary, they can go knocking on doors and organise a neighbourhood, or salt a workplace and organise a workers union.

>So, at this point they would be attacking rent and profit, two main drivers of capital.

>One that is not organised around is interest, debtors servitude. The parties union department should be developing debtors unions. This is semi uncharted territory, but a very large area of exploitation.

>This section of the party should be actively dedicated to organising as many workplaces and neighbourhoods of renters into unions as possible

>The next department of the party is the community survival department which is divided into two stages. The first stage is the organisation of community survival programs. This may be anything that benefits a community. What benefits that community must be discerned by that community, thus this must be approached in a mass line fashion. The best way to achieve this in the immediate is to go round, knocking on doors, getting information and feed back, then through the party giving the people what they need, be that food, health clinics, shelter in the form of expropriated buildings, etc.

>The second stage of this is the long term stage, which recognises the protracted nature of the struggle. All of these programs are the basis from which support grows, they are applied in certain communities who are receptive to them and solidified and developed, in order to strengthen the organs of working class power for the eventual crisis in capitalism coming to a head. Thus, these community survival programs must have a strong economic base to work from, this should take the form of a network of co-operatives controlled by the party, with its workers fully unionised, with taxes on the co-operatives by the party, in order to fund the gradual development of the other survival programs, which might then include co-operative housing, as well as the funding of full time union agitators and political organisers

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>>150035
>get me and some buddies
>get some guns
>we a state now
No. To be a state you have to exert authority over others, in the form of a monopoly on "legitimate" force. Some gang isn't a state. If you form an organized crime family and "protect" an area, mediating conflicts and repressing other people's capacity for violence, then you have a state. This is also the big reason why organized crime is an issue for the government. Not that the crime is bad, but the power is a challenge to the state's authority. The government doesn't have a problem when gangsters merge with the state and continue doing gangster shit in those positions, because they're no longer separate and a threat.
>>149767
>Does anyone have any books/pamphlets/documentaries on how to establish a 'state within a state'.
No, but I do have a tip: look outside of only socialist movements. Today's most powerful state within a state is in fact Hezbollah. If you're serious about dual power, that's what it will have to look like in the modern context.
>>150530
Know any good books about hezbollah or non-socialist 'state within a states'?

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Green New Deal Anonymous 12/03/2019 (Tue) 00:23:13 No. 146666 [Reply]
The Green New Deal is something that progressives and leftists talk about like it's a revolutionary change, which is the same reason why the right attacks it. There's nothing radical or revolutionary about it though. It's basically a call for an enlarged welfare state to regulate the capitalist market economy, so as to manage the ecological crises. It's FDR liberalism 2 green boogaloo. So many of my friends are very strongly in favour of this thing. I wish so much that they would focus their important energy on revolutionary socialism, and I dont have the heart to come off like an asshole about the work they're doing.
https://makerojavagreenagain.org/2019/09/19/about-the-climate-strike-and-the-dark-sides-of-the-green-new-deal/
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>>150137
>Obviously porks gonna coup you if you try.
So You need a militarised version of social-demoracy to put down coup attempts ? Sublimate the military with unions and the party ?
>>146826
Buddy civil war will plunge the world into ecological collapse faster than oil extraction and plastic capitalism itself, revolution would only accelerate that process. Do you have any idea how bad war is for the environment? No you don't, because you're a fucking Larper and the exact kind of shithead Albert Camus had to BTFO in The Rebel.
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>>147570
>Methane as proffers, even ignoring the fossil vs. environmental carbon sourcing, is pseudoscience, because its greater warming effect is offset by its far faster decay into CO2.
<Methane in the Earth's atmosphere is a strong greenhouse gas with a global warming potential (GWP) 104 times greater than CO2 in a 20-year time frame; methane is not as persistent a gas as CO2 (assuming no change in carbon sequestration rates) and tails off to about GWP of 28 for a 100-year time frame.
It's good to be critical, but you sound like a shill tbh famalam
>>150137
>MMT is a macroeconomic model that explain how capitalism works right now.
And the conclusions of MMT are irrelevant without those socdem policy ideas. The revelation that deficit spending exists does not overturn Marx's observations regarding value and profitability.

And as Zizek is saying, socdem policies based on MMT are utopian to the extreme because they presuppose some force has the ability to globally discipline the capitalist system.
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>>150137
>MMT is a macroeconomic model that explain how capitalism works right now. Socdems have some policy ideas based on it but MMT isn't policy.
This. MMT is necessary to understand capitalism today, so you don't say hilariously embarrassing things like "public spending causes uncontrollable inflation".

>>150474
That isn't really using an appropriate metric
http://news.mit.edu/2014/how-count-methane-emissions-0425
>While the standard figure used for emissions trading and technology evaluation says that, gram for gram, methane is about 30 times as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2, scientists say that’s an oversimplification.
>As reported in a paper published today in the journal Nature Climate Change, authored by MIT assistant professor of engineering systems Jessika Trancik and doctoral student Morgan Edwards, this conversion factor (called the global warming potential, or GWP) may significantly misvalue methane. Getting this conversion factor right is challenging because methane’s initial impact is much greater than that of CO2 — by about 100 times. But methane only stays in the atmosphere for a matter of decades, while CO2 sticks around for centuries. The result: After six or seven decades, the impact of the two gases is about equal, and from then on methane’s relative role continues to decline.

>>150497
>socdem policies
By modern "Marxist" standards, Marx was a socdem, as he shilled for parliamentary reformism in industrialized states to help build revolutionary consciousness and prepare the battlefield against capital in labor's favor.
>The revelation that deficit spending exists does not overturn Marx's observations regarding value and profitability
No, but it does overturn Marx's (and every other gold standard-era economist's) description of government's role in capitalism, since MMT is the only theory of fiat currency that matches reality.

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