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Floridian doomer thread Anonymous 03/27/2020 (Fri) 01:39:30 No. 399248 [Reply] [Last]
This god forsaken swamp should have never been colonized by humans Last year I had to put on a suit of armor and vacuum literally dozens of mosquitos out of my house The shitty, dead sand is about a foot or two deep before you hit a solid floor of limestone Our first action as communists should be to abandon this place and just leave it as a wildlife preserve, nobody who is here wants to be here anyways unless they're a rich fuck living in a gated community where they spray pesticides 24/7 to keep the mosquitos out. god have mercy on any other leftists who live here, you have my pity, you don't deserve this
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>>403329 also never did anything like this before so I joined but I don't know what next steps to take. quick bampo for visibility.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/dr-bones-actually-yes-the-left-can-defeat-the-united-states-militarily Remembering this classic tale in adventurism. Do peoples war from the florida everglades
>>404043 Towards a Protracted People's War in the Florida Everglades https://pastebin.com/FBRF3VhG
>>404052 >To counter this effort, we will use a very new set of tactics. For the first time, the people’s army will commence mass struggles in the cities, and not just sparsely populated locations. It should not be difficult for our army to mobilize Miami residents. Many of them are people of color who are already familiar with Communism. yeah they're familiar cause they're all gusanos from cuba and venezula who hate it. you'd have a better chance of support from the confederate loving northerners. I love this shit.
>>399248 Australia and Florida seem like the most atrocious places to live. Not because of development but the abundance of animals being in the urban areas. I cry and get trautamized everytime a gecko enters my house.

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Anonymous 03/02/2020 (Mon) 21:06:35 No. 317780 [Reply] [Last]
Post commie vaporwave
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Was Reddit a glowie honeypot from the very start? Anonymous 03/29/2020 (Sun) 03:34:17 No. 403645 [Reply] [Last]
It's well known that Reddit is absolutely stuffed to the brim with glowie Cold War 2.0 propaganda. Like, my God, it's disgusting how obvious all this shit really is, multiple subs act as nothing more than a constant stream of pro-imperialist propaganda against whoever the enemy of the week is; glowies upvote this shit to heaven on high, they downvote literally any opposing comments, and given the fact that this shit is so beyond obvious by now I can only believe that almost every single comment on subreddits like /r/worldnews are glowies. Like, fuck, Americans would have to be genuinely mentally disabled to not see how clearly controlled and curated discussion is there. The site attacked muslims as subhuman mud people for years until it became convenient to use them as a pawn against China. As far as I can tell there are fucking glow posters on every sub too; on Reddit it goes so deep that admins removed entire mod bases from subs like /r/syriancivilwar specifically so the pro-American, pro-Israel narrative takes control. The owners of Reddit are fully complicit with the CIA, for all intents and purposes the CIA owns Reddit. My only question is; was it always this way? A decade ago the Pentagon began pouring millions to have glowies flood all social media and blast so much braindead bullshit that pretty much every social media site became a glowie propaganda hub. Ten years ago now, ten years, it was uncovered that Reddit receives the most traffic from Eglin Airbase, ten fucking years. The way Reddit is built from the ground up stifles discussion, already the voting system ensures debate is quelled and only retarded ass popular opinions can rise to the top; obviously this is very easy for a state actor to manipulate. Complete control given to mods more or less allowed a deranged dictatorship to arise on every sub where the culture either forced the sub to pump out shitty memes constantly (Chapo), or become isolated autists due to ban happy retards (/r/communism). Of course almost every subreddit is also pretty much centered around some form of commodity, thus the average sub is an advertising platform and little else (i.e. /r/Star Wars, which is very clearly controlled by either Lucasfilm or Disney). Just, I really wanna know if being dirty CIA puppets was the plan all along?
The truth is probably more banal. While Reddit probably wasn't set up as a psyop, they figured it would help them financially if they just played ball with the feds and bots. The Nr 1 city in terms of userbase 10 years ago in that experiment you cited was some army base, and nr 2 was the town where McDonald's is headquartered.
>>403653 Social media is pretty much a money sinkhole who's only real use is for the militaries and government agencies from across the globe to collect information on you.
>>403671 thank marx there's leftypol
Most of the propaganda there, at least a few years ago, came out of eglin air force base. Unless the feds moved their operation, I would assume most of the astroturfing on the internet done by america alphabet boys is done there.

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/dead/ - Post-Leftism General Anonymous 12/27/2019 (Fri) 15:34:53 No. 189248 [Reply] [Last]
Welcome to /dead/, the endless magical nihilist gulag. This is not 8/grim/, but it is the continuation 8/grim/. Think of it as partly an /r9k/ for anti-capitalists, partly /GET/ with skeltals, and otherwise whatever you make of it. Now in thread form!
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>>404271 I looked up the attempts of big tech giants mostly western and Japanese ones that tried experimenting with video conferencing and various other forms of web interfaces, but also actually attempts at building virtual spaces where people interact via avatars like Second-life. And the result is that people moving through actual physical buildings with face to face interaction resulted in much better coordination. A very large part of people interacting with virtual spaces didn't interact with it as spaces with people but over time started treating it like a video game they were playing where they tried to find different ways of solving puzzles, a bit like hardcore gamers that try speed running and glitching through the game world. I don't know what the dialectic here is but it might be that people will eventually look at it from the point of view of what combinations of user inputs result in a pay-check. That might in the beginning not have much productivity penalties, but over time this will obviously derail. You can see the destructive aspects of gamification when people try to make money every way they can, not by interacting with the system the way it's intended but by rationally maximizing the behaviour to make the money counter go up. So far people did not engage in this behaviour within the internal context of a company. I'm not dismissing the possibility of virtual organisation, but I do think you need to give people that are supposed to work inside such a system the ability to change the algorithms that mediate these interactions, in order to mimic real world dynamics of people interacting where organic non-verbal communication is going on in the background that is mediating how people interact. There's the question how you get people to use something like this because most of that stuff is usually unconscious. I'm not aware of your examples from China, it might be that some sectors would benefit from this. I would imagine that very abstract mental labour could benefit from this, because the impersonal nature might prevent biases that people form in meat-space. On a related note: I'm not sure what the larger implication here are, it might dissolve cities, because if you remove the need to concentrate people in physical centres, then the pressure for selecting the physical living space would only be logistics of getting goods, and you might get a civilisation structure where people live in proximity of transport-lanes for goods. So cities get stretched out into narrow strips between transport hubs. "Strippies" ?
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>>404409 Granted, virtual reality is stupid shit and I have no idea why would anyone want to use it in a corporate setting. Personally I am much more concerned that with "work" entering our private spheres, the rest of corporate life will follow. For example, total surveillance: https://www.businessinsider.com/work-from-home-sneek-webcam-picture-5-minutes-monitor-video-2020-3 And of course, there were already attempts to make people work outside work hours, I wouldn't be surprised if we soon heard about bosses demanding that workers be "always online", as during the lockdown you won't have anything better to do anyway, right?
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>>404665 Yes you are right about blurring the line between work and leisure time, that's basically going to become a wage cut where bosses try to relabel work as leisure. But as far as always online could be used for extending work time, a parallel has already happened in Japan where many people already work insane hours, but people just stay at work all day, they don't actually get more work done. Consider that if a corporation becomes a peace of software, it will become easy to replace the privately owned ones with co-operatives ones Annoying workers with snooping sociopathy, would likely act as accelerator.
Another thing that came to my mind is that some of my coworkers have already organized "virtual pub nights", where they sit in front on their computers, drinking beer and talking... of course done through the corporate teleconference software that could be recording everything.
4th piece on coronavirus from Agamben: https://www.quodlibet.it/giorgio-agamben-riflessioni-sulla-peste There's no translation into English yet AFAIK, but Google's translation is not that bad. It seems like he's finally moving beyond lazy knee-jerk responses (state of exception becoming the norm, etc.): - the reason for such smooth transition is that the plague was in some sense already here before corona pandemic [IMO: we were already self-isolated and immunized from each other - "atomization"] - religious notions like apocalypse and spiritual effects like superstition and fear have migrated to science, which has become the new religion of our time - he refers our privileging of bare life to Hobbes's Leviathan whose power is founded on producing fear for one's survival [cf. Agamben's "Stasis: Civil War as a Political Paradigm"] Since he talks critically about (medical) science here, Foucault's "Birth of the Clinic" is relevant here, if anyone's looking for a reading list. Another critical commentary from some Polish anthropologists: https://allegralaboratory.net/the-return-of-the-plague-spreader/ It talks a bit about the narcissistic display of "responsibility" on social media.

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lennon Anonymous 03/29/2020 (Sun) 00:07:56 No. 403300 [Reply] [Last]
what is leftypol's opinion on pic related? was a he a communist or a liberal?
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Maybe the real liberals were in us all along Honestly he is a radlib in the strictest sense, someone who is well meaning and utopian but not really that radical/marxist
You niggas are going to shit your pants when you find out how Engels, Stalin and Mao treted their wives lmao
>>403667 Yeah, I don't get why people always focus on Lennon beating his wife. I personally always disliked him because he was a hack artist. Don't care about the wife thing. His domestic issues are none of my business.
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>>403318 >drummers are the proletariat Honestly, I can get behind this.
>>403391 There's an audio recording of her saying he didn't I'm pretty sure the "beat his wife" thing was started by the dailymail where they also accused him of being an "IRA sympathiser"

Former Fascist Thread Anonymous 03/26/2020 (Thu) 23:45:07 No. 398846 [Reply] [Last]
Hey, I was wondering if any of you lads were former far-right/Fascists before becoming class conscious and reading about the plight of our fellow workers of color. I was a White Nationalist from about 13 to 17, I’m 19 now. Have been reading and educating myself so I get all that racist and anti-Semitic baggage from out of my head. Any tips to make up for my time in that toxic and evil movement? I feel regret about it everyday. Thanks comrades
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>>403459 t. fence shitter
>>400641 >Thinking about my alt-right phase made me realise I never really believed in it. I feel like this is pretty common in general. On 4chan you'll have a bunch of memelords who just want to fit in and be "edgy" (as oxymoronic as that sounds) and then you'll find a lot of middle-class radical liberals who think that the whole enby pride transbian silliness is kind of fucked but they also want healthcare and shit thus deal with it. As for me personally I was far right like in the 2000's but got my ass owned and realized that the right was gay before gamergate became a thing. So that was fun.
>>403465 If a person is a #MeTwo or a white nationalist, then they're clinically retarded. They're both irrational and can't see that Jews aren't out to get you and that all men aren't evil.
How can any white person go from right-wing to this crap? I've leaned far-left before, at least fiscally, but anything beyond nazbol and Strassrrism is kind of gay and anti-white in a literal sense.
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Marx's Unfinished Project of Capital Anonymous 03/29/2020 (Sun) 01:29:25 No. 403446 [Reply] [Last]
I was reading Ernest Mandel's introduction to Capital Volume 1 and took a peak at his intro to volume 3 and he said that Marx planned to write 3 further volumes which would have dealt with the world market, competition, the industrial cycle and the state. Just curious, has anyone ever given a serious attempt to finish his project? I'm sure writing on these topics from the current point of view would be easier than in 1860. All thoughts on Marx's Capital welcome as well.
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>>403540 that’s also true. He also published ‘The Economic Doctrines of Karl Marx’ which I found to be like a super n00b friendly Kapital V1
>>403446 >I was reading Ernest Mandel's introduction to Capital Volume 1 and took a peak at his intro to volume 3 and he said that Marx planned to write 3 further volumes which would have dealt with the world market, competition, the industrial cycle and the state. This is incorrect. Marx's original plan for Capital was to divide the work in six parts: Book One - Capital Book Two - Landed property Book Three - Wage-labour Book Four - The state Book Five - Foreign trade Book Six - The world market Marx later abandoned this plan for a new one: Book One - The process of production of capital Book Two - The process of circulation of capital

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Legend has that when Marx died, he was holding a blank manuscript titled "On Class".
So its like in Assassin's Creed when Ezio took Altair's place in the tomb to guard the relic.
>>403581 >>403584 I think it's still fascinating to see his thought process, even if he did abandon the larger plan. I think with the early plan in mind and doing it for today would be interesting, but it would be an immense undertaking considering how elaborate capitalism is today.

AI and Communism Anonymous 03/24/2020 (Tue) 20:03:22 No. 392554 [Reply] [Last]
Let's say that at some point, AI will be more intelligent than humans. Would a government run by AI and not humans be a good or bad thing?
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>>402848 nm found it
>>402853 Based. Is that Lenin on the left? Do you think it is a statue or is there a brain in there that can do theoretical calculations far superseding what actual Marx and Lenin where capable of with their relative brainlet sized heads?
>>402902 Definitely Lenin, to me it looks like they're oracles that the dear leader consults for wisdom/advice on more philosophical or practical matters, rather than super computers
>automation research produces a universal working robot >AI research produces a general intelligence that can learn anything >humans only exist to be fed and housed for free now And anyone thinks this will be a good thing, to become the fetters on progress.
>>402396 >Sure but i'm looking for fully materialist explanation It's the most materialist (and closest to marxist) analysis I've yet encountered on the subject matter. >>402603 >so then both are in agreement that A.I. is dangerous, right? So the difference is more technical than anything else. Does Omohundro have any suggestions to mitigate? As far as I'm aware he hasn't made any suggestions on the matter, but the fact that creating safe AI isn't as simple as just programing it to have correct values would seem to imply that attention needs to be payed to the material conditions that it resides in. It also implies that both capitalism and proprietary software could very well make the situation worse. Capitalism will tend to select for "sociopathic"* behavior and proprietary software results in monopolies and closed environments that effectively remove the AI from any kind of "social" environment, leading to it developing in a less constrained manner. *Yes, this is an anthropomorphism - I'm simply using it as an analogy >>402663 >so what exactly is the difference? The degree in which its initial goals are modified. Orthogonism assumes a much greater adherence to it's initial values than is warranted, and subsequently reaches absurd conclusions about paper clip maximisers. A "self maximising" AI is a far more real threat (one that continuously seeks to become more intelligent by harvesting all available matter to build more processors), and even that is in all likelihood a simplification. >Yeah, no. Our brains do not operate on quantum processes, rather they use electro-chemical impulses. The idea that replicating brains would be an effective strategy for building computers is ridiculous though. Maybe on the level of software, but you seem to be implying that the way to build AIG is on the level of hardware. Am I misunderstanding you? Slightly. My point was simply that we don't need quantum computers to create the necessary hardware acceleration required for AI. And no, to don't think that replicating brains is the way forward at all.

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Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 23:46:13 No. 403261 [Reply] [Last]
hey, just wanted to stop by and remind you that time is fascist alright, bye
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Comrades, is a military not fascist?
Coofing is fascist.
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Duke Ellington is fascist
Operating systems are DRM. CPU architectures are DRM. Silicon is DRM. Oxygen is DRM. Air is fascism. Fascism is DRM.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/apr/18/mayday.features11 >He does not, he says, "throw out all of Marx, the class struggle, all that we take for granted". But he includes in his condemnation "liberals, Marxists, members of left parties, Noam Chomsky, the anarchist left, the syndicalists, the Wobblies, all those people who think technology is fine and it just depends on how you use it and that there's nothing wrong with development and the industrial system, it just depends who's running it." what's up with the technophobes.

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Leftist youth and collective movements Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 12:46:51 No. 402287 [Reply] [Last]
Hi! I am a relatively young German that joined the leftist movement a few years ago (I was 15 back then, now I am 18). This is my first post here. I have been lurking for a while though! Anyways... I wanted to ask the people here what youth or collective movements exist in their countries! How are they oriented ideologically? Which would you support and which not? Since I am from Germany I started by making this meme. I joined die Linke not so long ago but dislike how parts of the party thrive into a pro-western direction and passively support the wars Germany is involved in as long as they go against "regimes"... Though there are great people in the party still. Like Sarah Wagenknecht and Suchergebnisse Webergebnisse Sevim Dağdelen who are two engaged women that politically represent the genuine left still. I myself see myself as a Democratic Socialist but I feel many with me have joined ranks with dubious Liberals and are playing in the hands of the global Capitalist order (by mindlessly supporting unplanned mass migration disregarding how shitty conditions already are in Germany for immigrants AND native Germans socially). And I am anti-imperialist. That's why I joined Sarah Wagenknecht's movement #aufstehen recently. It's a broad collective movement and I have met many nice people there that like discussing various topics and social problems with me. I didn't get the same positive and also dmeocratically oriented atmosphere in other groups I have had contact with (Antifa, JW) who were either rather hateful and anti-social or rather authoritarian in orientation. But anyways. Please tell me about groups of your country's left. Collective movements like #aufstehen or youth groups like the JW or young party orgs are all fine. I just am curious about it all. ^^
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>>402287 In Berlin I bought a magazine from a really cute boy with a stutter. The magazine was called red something? Like red post? I think it was a student org based in Bremen and other two cities. I tried searching for it, but I couldn't find it later and I lost the magazine. Do you have any idea of what the magazine/org could be called?
>>402329 Shut the fuck up you cunt
>>402329 This post was obviously made by some moron who thinks mass immigration is SOOOOO good despite the actual economic problem it entails. And thinks anyone who questions it is reactionary. Are you sure you're not some loser breadtuber.
>>403224 Yes, I agree. But we are currently living under capitalism. I'm all for using the immigration debate to promote socialism, but if you call everyone who criticize immigration a reactionary, people who see the issues with immigration without first being socialists like us, might actually turn to the real reactionaries. The far-right says a lot of dumb shit all the time, but this is one of those times where they actually have a point.
>>403292 Naw bro because as you know anyone who questions it is some dumb reactionary who is xenophobic and racist


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