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Hot take by Cristina Fernández, Anonymous 03/27/2020 (Fri) 00:53:39 No. 399093 [Reply] [Last]
>A statement from Cristina Fernández, Vice-President and former President of Argentina, in Havana, Cuba, February 8th 2020 "The great dispute that is being had today is who drives the capitalist process of production. In the American capitalist model, it is led by the market. In the Chinese capitalist model, it is led by the State associated with companies. In China there are 1.5 billion people, if the market was making the decisions, we wouldn't have the potent China we have now. The discussion rises by two complementary and parallel lifts: who controls the economic process, and what new representations we equip our constitutions with. The market choosing drives us all towards disaster, all the way towards climate disaster: the great discussion that is imminent."
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>>399506 State-capitalism is used to describe the German Empire and the Japanese both pre and post WWII as well as contemporary China. How does China differ form those two examples and how is it similar? Does a company like Huawei have obey the Chinese 5 year plans more closely than Krupp or Mitsubishi had to obey their governments' plans? Officially Huawei is not a SOE but it operations are part of the central plan. Huawei would prefer to rely on comparative advantage and continue to import computer chips from Korea or the US but the recent Chinese 5 year plans call for increased domestic autonomy in chip production so Huawei (and others) are tasked with developing those. They get sanctioned by the US and lose business as a result, while a purely chip importing company like Lenovo gets away with no sanctions. Following the government plan did not benefit them in the short run but will bring benefit to China overall in the form of chip production that they can fully secure and a new class of high value good they can export. Whether China is a different system then non-communist run state-capitalist countries is up for debate but I would say China maintains a greater degree of control over its enterprises than Germany or Japan did. >>399517 There have been many governments in the past that used Keynesian policy including the US, and most of western Europe before the late 70s. We do not typically call those countries state-capitalist. Maybe it is fair to say all state-capitalist governments practice Keynesian policy but that is only a necessary condition not a sufficient condition for state-capitalism. I certainly could not see austerity as a policy of a state-capitalist country though perhaps you could argue that austerity can only be enacted by state interference in the market and thus it must also be a perverse form of state-capitalism. A sort of anti-Keynesian economics.
>>399517 Not all state capitalism is Keynesian and not all Keynesianism is state capitalist. Singapore is state capitalist for example.
>>399515 Don’t you get it my dude? The key? The answer? Can’t you see??? We are in Hell, our world is ruled not by man but the old gods who enact their will through the drive of the market; hell, why do you think all cost-saving measures make human life and life on Earth worse? The market is the embodiment not of human will, but of the Old Gods’ wills, that’s why it came into existence to destroy the Polar Ice; the purpose of the Market was to awaken that which lies beneath the ice so they could rule the world once again. YOU BEST START BELIEVING IN CTHULHU MY FRIEND, BECAUSE WHERE WE’RE GOING WE WON’T NEED EYES TO SEE
In the American captalist model it is led by the Fed
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Arab nationalism Anonymous 03/27/2020 (Fri) 08:36:38 No. 399804 [Reply] [Last]
Opinions on Baathism and to an extent Arab nationalist leaders like Gaddafi, Nasser and likes
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>>399868 It is more like Kuomintang for Arabs. Some of them were fascist in all but name, while others were anti-imperialist socdems.
>>400025 It's more like Social Democracy for Arabs. Some of them are fascists in all but name, while others were anti-imperialist Soviet friends
Gaddafi was kooky but he invested in infrastructure so Libyans could feed themselves and made gender equality a big priority, so that's pretty good.
>>400252 Kuomintang aimed to reunify the divided Chinese people and defeat the Japanese imperialists. Similarly, the Baathists aim to unify the divided Arabs and defeat the Zionist/American imperialists. Both of them have communist-aligned and anti-communist factions.

Corona Virus Mutual Aid Resources Anonymous 03/16/2020 (Mon) 02:07:38 No. 362972 [Reply] [Last]
Since most-everyone reading this is too young to be outright killed by the Corona Virus and as lefties, we should be doing everything we can to support each other as governments around the world turn a blind eye to our suffering. With that said, here is a thread dedicated to sharing resources for providing mutual aid in your community, including procedure, organizational strategies and steps to stop yourself spreading the disease unknowingly through your aid
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>>368226 Oh hey it's my post lmao; group now has almost 4500 members but unfortunately has slowed down a little in terms of volume and growth but has been increasingly picking up in terms of actual practical help. This is mainly because there has had to be restructuring of how the group and affiliated groups work due to some individuals being brainrotted by social media and thinking that every group is a place to shitpost or soapbox. All in all, I think it's significantly more well run now and they have dedicated threads for updates on specific things. Just making this post as a quick bump.
>>395064 Damn, I guess you're in some big city? In my leafy suburb i've only got 20+ volunteers so far.
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>>395064 >>395064 >This is mainly because there has had to be restructuring of how the group and affiliated groups work could you expand on this? how was it changed and what exactly from before wasn't working?
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Rare Photo thread Anonymous 10/30/2019 (Wed) 19:21:29 No. 111011 [Reply] [Last]
Thread for posting Historical Photos
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>>252353 Eh, you can be old and healthy. Mao was just fucking obese and ripped 10 packs of cigars everyday, so no wonder he looked the way he did. He barely could walk by then and people weren't even sure what his mumbling meant.
>>400313 that second pic is intense
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>>400336 Yeah, that war was utter hell especially during 1968.

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China should annex Taipei when American COVID-19 deaths exceed 1 million. Anonymous 03/23/2020 (Mon) 03:24:22 No. 388099 [Reply] [Last]
China should annex Taipei when American COVID-19 deaths exceed 1 million. I cannot think of a better time to annex the rogue province than when Donald Dotard is in office and 1,000,000 Americans have died from artificial scarcity of healthcare and anti-science ignorance spread on unregulated, private social media. There is a 0% chance that the American public will support defending Taipei from PRC forces as their loved ones corpses are burned and put in mass graves due to a pandemic. Now is the time to seize on the decline of the USA. Ideally, soft power could be used while America burns to force Taipei to accept a "1 country , 2 systems" agreement, but kinetic options must be considered. >Manifesto of the Communist Party >Chapter I. Bourgeois and Proletarians >"The essential conditions for the existence and for the sway of the bourgeois class is the formation and augmentation of capital; the condition for capital is wage-labour. Wage-labour rests exclusively on competition between the labourers. The advance of industry, whose involuntary promoter is the bourgeoisie, replaces the isolation of the labourers, due to competition, by the revolutionary combination, due to association. The development of Modern Industry, therefore, cuts from under its feet the very foundation on which the bourgeoisie produces and appropriates products. What the bourgeoisie therefore produces, above all, are its own grave-diggers. Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable." https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/cdcs-worst-case-coronavirus-model-210m-infected-1-7m-dead.html >"A recent CDC projection estimated that the U.S. coronavirus epidemic could infect between 160 million and 214 million people over a period of more than a year — and kill anywhere from 200,000 to 1.7 million people in the country. A top CDC disease modeler presented the estimates to CDC officials and epidemic experts during a conference call last month, the New York Times revealed on Friday. The scenario did not factor in the efforts now underway to address the epidemic, but rather what could happen if no action was taken to slow the spread of of the disease."
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>>389342 look up what neocolonialism is please
>>398008 If they want to be a US aircraft carrier they can go fuck themselves
>>398008 Right is nothing before might.
>>398008 >How can you then say China has a right to govern the people living there. We are not democrats.
>>388907 pure idealism that conveniently forget all geopolitical issues linked to it

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News 3/26/20 News Anon 3.0 03/26/2020 (Thu) 23:06:38 No. 398765 [Reply] [Last]
President Maduro Denounces New Terrorist Plan Against Venezuela The president of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro, denounced this Tuesday that terrorist groups are training from Colombia to attack the country in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic. https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/President-Maduro-Denounces-New-Terrorist-Plan-Against-Venezuela-20200324-0024.html Trump administration targets Venezuela's President and other top officials The Justice Department announced narco-terrorism and other criminal charges against Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and senior leaders from his government on Thursday, in a move marking a modern low point in relations between the US and the ailing socialist state. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/politics/venezuela-trump-administration-terrorism/index.html https://archive.is/FgYrK US Surpasses China in Number of COVID-19 Cases As the World Health Organization warned earlier this week, the U.S. has become the epicenter of the virus reporting more cases than any other country with a record-time increase. https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/US-Surpasses-China-in-Number-of-COVID-19-Cases-20200326-0012.html Benny Gantz elected Israeli speaker, signalling deal with Netanyahu Israel’s main opposition party has split after its leader, Benny Gantz, was elected as speaker of parliament with the support of his rivals, including Benjamin Netanyahu, in a stunning plot twist to a year-long political crisis. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/benny-gantz-elected-israeli-speaker-signalling-deal-with-netanyahu

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>>399163 No, but, I am simply asking if they are presenting any justification at all.
Bolsenaro also got shanked in the lungs. This dude is pretty fucked regardless if he lives or not.
>>398861 the biden rape story needs to be pushed a lot more <Hindu nationalist groups close to Modi's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party have opposed both Monsanto and GM technology in India's agriculture. wonder if this is another sign of weakening US hegemony
>>399062 Isn't the creator of VA-11 Hall-A a gusano?
>>399147 and yet guaido is the one who take pictures with the chief of columbian fascists narcos

Winning the information warfare Anonymous 03/26/2020 (Thu) 14:19:12 No. 397615 [Reply] [Last]
I'm just going to start this with a tactic I observed. I wanted to talk about something that you probably noticed as well but I felt like moving this post-truth phenomena into the spotlight. This isn't unique to but primarily seen with right wing figureheads. And that is to frequently use “terms” that are disconnected from their original meaning or are a basterdized combination of existing terms, that are made vague and loosely applicable to an array of things that are only identifiable in their ideological framework and primarily serve to construct and reenforce an image. Most of the time of a nebulous enemy. Prominent examples are ‘’Jewish Bolshevism’’, ‘’post-modern neo Marxists’’, ‘’globalists’’ and ‘’communists’’. These terms have essentially been used mainly to say “this vaguely resembles our enemy”, “we can attribute this to the enemy”, without it actually by definition applying to said used term. It’s just a buzzword. So why do I want to talk about this? Because this tactic is used for information warfare. It severely dumbs down real discussions. It mainly serves as an antagonization without any responsibility of concrete evidence because accepting it gives its vagueness & dilution of reality validity and therefore just as good as rigorous and demanding proof. It’s an inherent disadvantage I observed on the left that right wingers can easily make an appeal to emotion (fear, anger, pride) leaving it at superficial statements of half truths and framing alone. Meanwhile to disprove all of that left wingers need to go through the effort of academic material, facts, statistics, history, a broader understanding of politics and material conditions, often leading to tediously long explanations the average person (retard) does either have not the capacity to understand, or more often than not, doesn’t even have the patience to carefully listen to. This is just something that irks me and I know you probably have noticed this too. It’s one specific tactic of many, essentially part of the same broader strategy I described. I’m just wondering, how can leftists win the information warfare with this disadvantage?
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>>399826 hello there loli fucker
>>399827 ok porky
>>399825 right wing people project themselves onto Shapiro and molyneux when they slam dunk strawmen with arguments that they share, feeling smug about the whole interaction. When a left wing intellectual acts superior it's just condescending since the role likely doesn't share the beliefs since we live in liberal society
>>399826 pedos are bad get over it
>>399130 I don't think the jargon is bad because it's complex, but bad because it's wrong or inaccurate. Many of the better leftist blogs and whatnot are more effective at translating Marxist thought to shit that is actually relevant, but Marxist thought gets mis-applied to a whole lot of things in a very stupid way. And seriously, pushing diamat as some alternative religion should just stop right now. I'm a believer in what the other anon said - if you're going to get into fights, better to pick a fight with the big boys, like the pedo fucks that rule over us presently, who just wrote themselves the hugest bailout in history off the back of the American worker's already-dim future. Seriously, just dissect the bill they're pushing through Congress right now and rail against the foulness of Mnuchin getting a slush fund for his cronies.

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Professional Revolutionaries Anonymous 03/26/2020 (Thu) 05:20:16 No. 397036 [Reply] [Last]
The main problem with "Professional Revolutionaries", aka people employed by the party, in socialist/social democratic parties is that they tend to become alienated from the workers and the main goal of the party becomes perpetuating the jobs of its professionals. This is obvious in almost all degenerated socialist parties. A clique of oligarchical inner party members who are employed by paid dues and are mostly concerned with keeping the organization and their jobs alive. Same thing with Unions, same thing with all these organizations. The only reason the whole idea of professional revolutionaries worked for the Bolsheviks was because their party was illegal and being a professional revolutionary meant being a criminal and being constantly on the run or undercover, which disincentivized the whole thing problem. Whats your take on this issue?
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>>398459 Yes, no paid positions. However, if one of your party members is going to become homeless or not be able to eat I think it's fine to use party funds to help them out.
>>398529 The party should not be the legal arm of the movement. The party is exactly what needs to be illegal. It's unions, community organizations, and publishing outlets that should be legal and it's fine for them to employ workers.
>>398535 Then you get careerist goons though.
>>398567 >Then you get careerist goons though. What? Where? How? The culture of self-discipline within the underground party and a "security" squad within it that monitors the affiliated overground front groups is already a great start in mitigating this shit.
>>399911 This. Just like the mob (not being sarcastic, it is like the mob and that isn't bad. I mean it's not good because it's like the mob, it's just good and also happens to be like the mob.)

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/leftybritpol/ - Serious Discussion Edition Anonymous 03/19/2020 (Thu) 18:41:37 No. 378486 [Reply] [Last]
Hello again friends, I am once more looking forward to the serious discussion that we all enjoy.
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>>400213 All I can suggest is to try to forcefeed them the materialismpill then
>>400223 Good point, their distrust of the media comes from the idea that all world events are down to some master plan and not the result of a materialist understanding.
I feel like the people on twitter crying about others having fun at Johnson are rehearsing a bit or something coz I barely see a lot of them other than snide remarks
Anyone got an FT sub/the ability to go and get the text of this article? https://www.ft.com/.../f9051f66-cfbe-4b36-848e-3980225ae542 obvs EU ain't great but want to radicalise people with tories choosing a pure brexit over their nan
Lads this thread has been at bump limit for a while so I made a new one NEW THREAD >>400609

Rafiq's Blog posts - Archived Anonymous 02/23/2020 (Sun) 14:59:51 No. 295532 [Reply] [Last]
People asked for this in the Rafiq (old revleft poster) thread after his blog went down. Below are all the cached posts I could find. If anyone can find the rest please post them. Combat Petite-Bourgeois Philistinism https://archive.is/udd29 The Iconoclasm of Cyberpunk Revolution https://archive.is/qM0bG The Kitsch Left http://archive.is/TuMGV The Farce of So-Called “Unity” https://archive.is/u2A5T Statement from a Comrade in Mexico https://archive.is/HUNeL

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Anyone have a link to his post about pet ownership?
>>331709 >The sheer virtuousness of this guy almost brings a tear to the eye. it certainly brought tears to many eyes, kek
>>394307 Bump and seconded.
>>296267 Isn't Cockshott our Moldbug?
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>>394310 cover your ears, tovarisch kot

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