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Paper Clothing Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 07:01:49 No. 401999 [Reply] [Last]
So I just found out about this stuff from Jojo Rabbit. The Germans invented paper clothes during WW1, and then the hippies briefly had a fad of wearing paper clothing: https://timeline.com/paper-fashion-1960s-43dd00590bce Laugh all you want at it, but I'm starting to think it might make sense to bring it back. Surely, if people are going to wear some clothes a few times and throw them away then paper would be more biodegradable and need less carbon right? I'm not sure about the chemicals used to make the clothes fire-resistant or stiff, but I do think that paper clothing might have potential. Certainly with 3D printing we should be seeing a lot of new kinds of clothing soon. I think we should embrace it and give people what they want without reducing ourselves to a no frills lifestyle, or paying exorbitant amounts on fashion. Sadly, I have not been able to find any paper clothing manufacturers on the internet. I would like to try wearing it to see if it has any use. The idea of being able to print your own clothes with a desired print is very appealing to me.
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>>402251 >>402220 the neck shape not the actual shirt
>>402035 lmao the guy in the image looks like he wants to eat a bullet
>>401999 Ink is toxic.
>buy clothing that will last you for life >buy paper clothing Are you retarded, anon?
>401999 3d printing is not yet realistic for an industrial plan. You can make faux-leather out of fungus. Like when you make kombucha there's the thick fibrous "mother" at the top of the liquid. Or maybe a cloth made using mushroom mycelium or algae, there's lots of potential outside of plant based fibers which might not be sustainable. https://www.bustle.com/p/clothing-made-of-mushrooms-might-just-be-the-future-its-actually-pretty-cool-8018663>>401999

Altboard Revival Initiative Anonymous 03/03/2020 (Tue) 21:54:30 No. 321740 [Reply] [Last]
Bunkerchan is a great imageboard and it pains me to see its other boards that aren't /leftypol/ essentially being dead. I know this is a meta thread but if I post it in /gulag/ less people are going to see it. I say if you are a regular /leftypol/ poster, commit to making 1 post in every other board each day. I don't ever look at the other boards, because there is no new content to engage with. I'm sure many people feel the same way. It's not just that the boards are less interesting, it's mainly due to the fact that no one else is creating any content on there to engage with. /GET/ has a reasonable amount of activity, but /hobby/ only has 28 users. /his/ 14 and /tech/ has 1. I'm sure /leftypol/ with its 400+ users could breath some life into the entire site.
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>>401910 lmao, anyways thanks for the history lesson
>>401911 no problem.
Made some threads, post in them >>>/tech/649 >>>/hobby/7305
>>401903 lainchan is full of nazis now, the tech boards are still good for open source tech stuff, sometimes almost as slow as the /tech/ though so not much point in relocating anything as >>401120 suggested
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I support this initiative!

/cvg/ - Coronavirus General: Shit's Fucked Edition Anonymous 03/07/2020 (Sat) 23:05:52 No. 333858 [Reply] [Last]
New one since the old one hit the limit. Watch Dr. John Campbell on Youtube for daily updates on the virus: https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/videos And remember to wash your hands, people. COVID-19 TRACKERS: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 https://ncov2019.live/data https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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>>403331 what is the opposition like? does bozo show his face daily to give "updates" or anything
>>403592 Regarding Bozo's updates, well that's pretty much all he does. The other two branches have left him powerless outside of his ex officio duties, which now boil down to nominating people his handlers tell him to nominate. His ministers, however, have been shitting up their respective portfolios, but Bozo himself has almost nothing to do. He doesn't get invited to international meetings, foreign dignataries other than his few fellow troglodytes avoid him like the plague (even more so now), and even his public appearances have to be curtailed because he's literally too stupid to read from a teleprompter. His handlers actually have to come up with imbecilic declarations, cheap PR stunts like schmoozing with carefully selected people at rodeos, Facebook livestreams and manufactured controversies so the news has any reason at all to mention him. He was elected on Spectacle and fiction, so he needs Spectacle and fiction in order to continue to exist. About opposition, it's a topic in itself because of the many idiosyncracies of this new age in an already idiosyncratic country. One which I'll mention outright is that he his puppeteers completely wasted his political capital and chances at any kind of power grab out of sheer stupidity and pettiness. Several of the media outlets nominally opposed to him made overtures towards peace after the election, and all were rebuffed. His circus has the mentality of terminal reactionaries: they accept no cooperation other than complete submission to themselves. The biggest idiosyncracy is probably the political autism which has possessed the people after his election. People just plain don't seem to see politics as something which is part of their lives. The comparison with soap operas which I made in one of those posts is true in more than one sense, because politics not just has been completely depoliticized, but fully Spectacularized. Not necessarily in the sense of entertainment, but in the passivity that it entails. By definition, those who aren't acting are watching and can do nothing to change the act, and this seems to be how everyone unconsciously thinks of politics now, just something which you watch on the news and read on the internet and can't affect at all. So the left has been dead due to lack of presence in the streets, but then again, so has the right. Bozo's support peaked at the election and has only ever fallen since. Also, the media deliberately black out anything regarding the left to prevent its return to power in the wake of the clown inevitable pratfall, and in this horrible new world, if it's not in the media, it doesn't exist. I think this topic goes way, way deeper than I can express here, involving Spectacle, hyperreality, sociation consensual reality, consensus reality (not the same thing) and more. I dedicate a lot of posts in the BR thread to this. This divorce between people and politics is no doubt related to the anti-PT campaign which spun out of control and led to this fiasco. I fear the people have been legitimately conditioned in the true sense of the term. During about 5 years of the Brazilian establishment's concerted effort to oust and smear PT, they could summon immense crowds at will to astroturf anything connected to PT. Now, with the concerted effort over, they can no longer do so, and more importantly, the people won't act by themselves. It's like you trained a dog to bark on command but, unwittingly, this makes the dog never bark without your command again. Another factor, connected to the previous two, is the omninormalization which I detail in one of the linked posts. Bozo's circus gives us a reason to impeachment a day and gets away with it. The opposition media operates in the typical fashion of reporting "objectively" while using a very biased tone, choice of words etc. This worked wonders when the entire media was hammering the same message, but now, these indirect cues for twhich told the brainlets "you should be angry at this" or "this is actually something good" have no effect. So it just ends up making whatever is being reported, no matter how absurd, appear normal. The mechanism behind this is disturbing if my analysis is true, as it means that the conditioning done to the people includes making all the thinking for them. The anti-PT campaign taught them to not get just (biased) information from mass media, but what to think about that information. It's as if people lost the capacity to judge information by themselves, or to connect separate data in order to reach conclusions. Now the indirect cues of only part of the media are not enough an obvious command for the dog to bark, and the media is trapped by the very format it uses to manipulate information and serve bourgeois dictatorship. Namely, it cannot tell the unvarnished truth because the format since since the beginning of mass media was designed to keep this from happening in the first place. No one can make their hyperreality stick, so in the absence of one, whatever happens, happens. There is no baseline normalcy, there is no outrage nor shame so long as crimes and sins are committed with conviction. The anti-PT campaign spun out of control and broking fucking reality itself. Still regarding omninormalization, it's like this. If a newspaper were to print "Bolsonaro fucked a chicken" (he actually did) on the first page, it would be blitzed with lawsuits, smeared and ostracized by loyalist media, possibly harassed by his supporters and, now, also be defamed by the most delirious claims possible by a massive network of bots and shills. The fact itself it reported would be assimilated by very few people. I could fill a library with examples of this, so I'll just keep to the biggest case. Glenn Greenwald's paper revealed, with unassailable evidence, that the Car Wash operation, central to the anti-PT smear campaign and Bozo's subsequent election, was indeed in cahoots with several major media outlets and political powermongers, just like the left said. And it caused not just one but two coups, the disguised coupeachment and Lula's arrest in the election year by Car Wash itself. It's absolute fact that we have been living in a farce since 2013. And the impact of these earth-shattering revelations prompted an immense nothing at all. It helped Lula be freed earlier, but that's it. We're stuck in this bizarre limbo where facts literally don't matter anymore. That's because the only people with the power -- and the duty -- to act on these accusations are themselves the accused. It's like politicians simply ignored the Watergate revelations until reporters stopped asking, and the people didn't ask at all. By now, everyone outside of Bozo's circus and its criminal beneficiaries wants it burned to the ground, but they can't do so without incriminating themselves. So they're currently undoing the Car Wash fairy tale they helped create. Until then, it seems Bozo can get away with murder. Perhaps literally so, if they don't act on this coronavirus absurdity. One thing I noticed before the coronavirus finally creating some baseline reality against which people could better notice that indeed this president is a retarded crook, is that this happened, to a lesser degree, during the Amazon fires last year. This makes me think that something outside of the Brazilian reality, namely the international nature of these two topics, finally provided that baseline reality at least for a while. Having lost ours, that of someone who wasn't hit by the anti-PT campaign and the madness which followed served as surrogate.
>>403331 How the fuck didn't people demand him to step down? Seems like he send his nation directly into a massive catastrophe so that porky could reek in some extra gains.
>>403872 That's post-post-modernity for you: facts don't matter. And I have to point out that America and the UK are in the same position right now. The latter's PM attempted a palace coup and openly talked about a genocidal "strategy" for handling coronavirus, and somehow he's not only still alive but still in charge. America's throne will be disputed between two brain-damaged pedophiles. Slowly but surely, Porky debased his own system, and if my suspicions are right, he has begun doing this actually on purpose once Trump's accidental election made him realize he could get away with anything. He has decided to deliberately dumb people down in order to increase his already uncontested grasp on power and preserve the so-called end of history forever, and in the process, he broke something which we literally don't have words to describe, creating this insane situation. Here in Brazil, Bozo's rise was unsurprisingly married to the spread of particularly cretinous reactionarism, including flat-earthers and antivax. The right never elicited the best things in people, but now it's fully appealing to the very worst in us, without restraint. Pathological reactionaries are forcing their illness onto others, literally making people sick. The irony is that the obscurantism and crass individualism they have fostered now enables corona to ravage through society almost uninhibited. Who knew that spreading anti-science and fuck-you-got-mine mentality would backfire, right? Mercifully, Brazil and the UK aren't too far gone -- I was sure Trump's election would be the perfect historical mark for the end of the legitimacy of liberal democracy, but Brazil managed to earn a dishonorable mention alongside that, and temporarily surpassed America in this race to the bottom. Now America is undisputedly on the lead again, as Brazil and the UK still have sane people to hold the reactionary cretins back. It was the epicenter of the plague of imbecility, and it definitely didn't contain that one either.
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>>403764 >>403872 >>405122 And lest anyone think there is a depthwhich reactionaries will not plumb, today Bolsonaro has been hobknobbing around Brasilia, shaking hands with the crowd and all that jazz, reaffirming that coronavirus is not a serious threat and claiming the numbers are being fraudulently inflated. Meanwhile, his vast network of bots is saying "a friend of a friend" died of a car crash and were shocked to see the death certificate listed "Covid 19" as the cause of death.

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Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 14:50:54 No. 402444 [Reply] [Last]
6 of my 9 tenants are refusing to pay rent. I still have to make mortgage payments. This isn’t right. I am a human being that worked hard and bought rental properties so I could comfortably retire and tend to my passions. Now I could potentially lose my life’s work because of slackers who live hand to mouth and refuse to have emergency funds like responsible members of society. I have a family to feed to, why shouldn’t I get paid? Why should I subsidise other people’s shelter from my own pocket? I'll survive thanks to my funds but why should I cover for the rest? All of my tenants have a real trade too, they make good money and could have had saved up. You might think "FREE STUFF XDDDD FUCK U LANDLORDIE LOLOLOLO" but that hurts you and me. Most landlords are mom-and-pop operations. None of us wants to sell our properties to real bloodsuckers like E&M associates but you are forcing our hand, we don't have the cash to survive. If you don't stump your greed then we'll all get hurt.
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>>402655 u wish
Others have already rightly lambasted you, so I’ll say this: Maybe this capitalist way of organizing life just doesn’t make any sense for most of us. In this moment it does not make sense even for you! The problems you are referencing should not be problems to begin with. Think about how absurd they are if you view them independently. For you to reproduce your life, your tenants must be able to pay rent, which they cannot do because of the logic of capitalism. You may say it is because people are irresponsible, and even if we were to accept that, people would be irresponsible regardless of your opinion. I think irresponsible is a very toothless and uninteresting way of viewing it, but either way, from the internal mechanisms and contradictions of bourgeois society grow the conditions which created this phenomenon you call irresponsibiliy. So then why organize our lives in this manner at all? Wouldn’t it make more sense to organize the reproduction of life in a way in which you needn’t worry about rents and the like, to begin with? Neither landlord nor tenant. A society which is organized in such a way that you could explore your passions and interests and your human creativity freely.
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>I'm not a landlord but every day I salute each one I pass by for working hard for what they had and now gets to benefit from it. They are the definition of the American dream. This comment section all uppity socialists who should go back to other countries if they hate the GREATEST NATION ON EARTH.
>>402888 Holy shit, what a cursed image to accompany such a cursed text
>>402595 >Never said this. You said that people wouldn't have a place to live [if landlords went bankrupt because nobody paid them]. Near as I can tell, the houses you didn't build would still exist even without gatekeeping parasites controlling people's access to them >Not the case and never said it was. From the start of the OP: "6 of my 9 tenants are refusing to pay rent. I still have to make mortgage payments." Either you aren't OP, or you made up part of your story to try and garner sympathy.

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When did the communist movement lose it's head? Anonymous 03/26/2020 (Thu) 20:55:04 No. 398518 [Reply] [Last]
The vanguard party is the social brain of the communist movement. We are currently without a legitimate international vanguard. It is my view that the vanguard was the First and Second Internationals while they existed, and then the Comintern until 1921 when it adopted the united front strategy. From 21 to 44 there was none, and from 1944 to 1970 it was the ICP. It is pretty obvious that the left internationally has been like a a chicken with it's head cutoff since the 1970s, disorganized and without any theoretical unity. I know MLs will have a very different perspective on this, and I am not here to start a leftcom - ML refuse fight. I just want to hear other perspectives and have friendly chat.
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>>401043 To our community*
>>401028 That's an important point to make though, because the racial divisions in the working class are what allows fascists to recruit workers. This is why an analysis of race and promoting the overcoming of racial divisions and class unity is so important for our movement. >>401043 Yeah I'm pretty pasty. The poster I was responding to is the one minimizing the fascist threat though. I am against anti-fascism on the basis that it is class collaborationist, but that doesn't mean I'm not for political action against fascists, even violent ones in some circumstances...
>>401070 >>400993 >Are you implying that ideology doesn't matter? Why should it matter what race of aliens they thing Arians descended from? It's all self legitimisation at best. The only thing that's interesting for us is the function of fascism, and as such it's one form capitalist democracies *took*, when young democracies couldn't defend themselves and they feared ussr pressure. >Fascism will be a threat any time capitalism is in crisis. The function of fascism is more general, and it's managers have managed to perfect more careful and granular methods. >okay so because they haven't accomplished any sort of conquest of power that means they are some entirely distinct movement? No, because these people are acting in an entirely different context, where neither they have the organisation, nor are their methods necessary. Using fascism to solve contemporary capitalist crisis would be like giving a pacifier to a crying teenager after a breakup. >Look at the new zealand mosque massacre. You don't think they are capable of mass violence if they did manage to take power? Did the idea of fascism kill people? Nowhere do I imply that people will still do stupid stuff in the name of fascism, claiming to defend it (although the new zealand guy didn't claim to do it for fascism). Sure stop these guys, but they aren't fascism. They might call themselves fascists, but that doesn't mean that fascism as an organisational threat exists. Again, fascism died long ago, people LARPing as fascists doesn't mean it has been revived.
>>401070 >class collaborationist Your definition of class collaboration is pretty low iq ,class collaboration is the idea the the contradiction of class society can be nulled through finding a common ground , nothing more nothing less , two persons of different class background collaborating isn’t class collaboration, a bouj or a petit bouj taking part in a socialist revolution isnt class collaboration
>>400929 >>400809 couldn’t find a source for either of those claims

Putting infantile critiques of Marxism-Leninism to bed Anonymous 02/19/2020 (Wed) 20:57:58 No. 286051 [Reply] [Last]
Let's clean up some misconceptions ultraleftists have about Marxism-Leninism. >bureaucracy A bureaucrat is not the same as a capitalist as the relationship to the means of production is proprietary. A bureaucrat can not decide that a factory must produce fidget spinners instead of steel ingots because producing consumer products is more profitable. >exploitation Exploitation in the Marxist sense is the rate of surplus-value extraction, e.g. the difference between the reproduction cost of variable capital (labor-power commodified) and the exchange-value of the commodity or service produced. With labor not being subject to commodification in socialism, there can also be no surplus-value. >so what is surplus-value? The social (historical) form the surplus product takes on in capitalism. Modes of production are defined by the social form of surplus-extraction, in socialism, surplus still exists in material form, which was accounted for in socialist states through the Material Product System. Therefore, the proletarian condition of producing surplus-value is abolished. >value Marx says in Capital III that value as a metric for book-keeping will remain: <Secondly, after the abolition of the capitalist mode of production, but still retaining social production, the determination of value continues to prevail in the sense that the regulation of labour-time and the distribution of social labour among the various production groups, ultimately the book-keeping encompassing all this, become more essential than ever. This makes sense because as Marx says in the CotGP, labor-time as a metric will also regulate production in the lower phase of communism, the difference is that there is no social exchange (not the same as physical exchanges, like, exchanging tools in a factory) between producers, whereas the exchange-value emerges as the social form of labor-value (usually referred to when Marx says "value") which is not the same thing. Exchange-value is materialized of abstract labor, which is imbued in the commodity that takes on this form once it becomes social, e.g. enters the market. >dictatorship of the proletariat but isn't socialism classles?!

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>>400659 >Read a fucking book. No u unironiclly >porky myths <everyone who thinks the CNT wsan't "le anarchist dream" is porky Ok idiot >beloved fascist brothers Nice strawman you angry fuck Your entire mssive post is just n angry rant addressing strawmen. Be triggered on reddit dengite.
>>397824 >USSR failed <Muh soviet failure meme How is this any different from the "real communism has never been tried" idiocy? Go back to reddit you radlib, but first: 1) "And if planned economies, benevolent dictatorships, perfectionistic societies, and other utopian ventures have failed, we must remember that unplanned, undictated, and unperfected cultures have failed too. A failure is not always a mistake; it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. Perhaps we cannot now design a successful culture as a whole, but we can design better practices in a piecemeal fashion." – B.F. Skinner 2) The USSR lasted from 1922 to 1991 fought in many wars, and was lived through by 3 generations of people. It sent cosmonauts to space and back. It created the first lasting example of an alternative to capitalism and was the only other Superpower of its time. To call this a failure is like saying any empire or state from the past as a failure… yet somehow I don’t think history agrees. >That quote is sheer historical revisionism No it really isn't >Blackest reaction" didn't happen in the West after the fall of the USSR Imagine arguing a strawman this hard. It is pretty clear that Stalin first and foremost means the territories of the USSR and socialist movements of the time. Without the USSR, Vietnam would have been crushed, China a nationalist shithole, Korea a complete US puppet and Cuba and many other attempts at revolution would never get off the ground. Castro and Che were inspired by Stalin and Lenin and bolstered by the support of the USSR. >Stalin was in charge when virtually all the surviving Old Bolsheviks <Bla bla bla "muh old bolsheviks" crying Stalin committed no concrete crimes and most of the Great Terror wasn’t even his fault. Stalin was against mass arrests and once it became apparent how many people the NKVD was killing Stalin and the Centra Committee put Beria in the NKVD and removed Yezhov a short time later. The USSR was purging wreckers and opportunist holdovers from the revolution, which were many times outspoken anti-Bolsheviks that only backed the Bolshevik government when it became clear that they were the group that was going to take control when everything was said and done. These people had been allowed to fester since the civil war was won, and their purging was necessary and beneficial to the USSR. The problem with the purge was that it was not precise enough and had its efforts tainted by people like Yezhov, whose actions undermined the intention and effectiveness of the procedure. We know a great deal of the accusations in the great purge were true. Zinoviev, for example was in contact with Trotsky despite Trotsky denying it. We know this from Trotsky’s own archive. This was also proven efficient as the German wehrmacht found it hd severe problems getting tactical information and spies in the USSR after the purges.

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>>400844 The B.F. Skinner quote is good, but rhetorically it won't trump the argument made by anti-communists that the USSR collapsed and was a failure. Does it still exist? No - therefore it failed. That's why I avoid defending planning or socialism on the basis of the USSR. You can defend planning more effectively today by using the example of internal planning by giant corporations. On a micro level, socialism is when you combine that with democracy. This is how close we really are to being able to achieve a socialist society in the modern world. >Imagine arguing a strawman this hard. It is pretty clear that Stalin first and foremost means the territories of the USSR and socialist movements of the time. That's clearly the opposite of what he said... Stalin said: "What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets? There would set in an era of the blackest reaction IN ALL THE CAPITALIST AND COLONIAL COUNTRIES, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost." (emphasis mine) >Stalin committed no concrete crimes and most of the Great Terror wasn’t even his fault. Stalin signed arrest lists, death warrants, etc. He removed Yagoda as head of the NKVD because Yagoda's efforts were perceived as lacking. Stalin personally wanted Yezhov as NKVD knowing it would mean intensifying the purges. >The USSR was purging wreckers and opportunist holdovers from the revolution, which were many times outspoken anti-Bolsheviks that only backed the Bolshevik government when it became clear that they were the group that was going to take control when everything was said and done. These people had been allowed to fester since the civil war was won, and their purging was necessary and beneficial to the USSR. The purges predominantly affected people in the higher ranks of society. These weren't pre-revolutionary "holdovers" or anti-Bolsheviks - they were often members of the Communist Party and held positions within the government and military. The higher one's rank the greater the chance of being purged. >We know a great deal of the accusations in the great purge were true. This is completely and utterly false. Many of the accusations were contradictory and totally fabricated. The more outrageous accusations have never been supported by any material evidence since the trials happened. Most of them were based on confessions that were forced under threats of violence against the accused or their families. >Zinoviev, for example was in contact with Trotsky despite Trotsky denying it. We know this from Trotsky’s own archive. Zinoviev having been in contact with Trotsky doesn't prove a giant Zinovievite-Trotskyist-Fascist plot within the Soviet government to overthrow the USSR. >Lastly, the USSR was not a de facto dictatorship. The people had a great deal of say in how things were run and it was often the central government that was responding to their wishes. Man, literally on the SECOND page of the paper by Thurston it quotes an emigre who says, "The Soviet system IS A DICTATORSHIP, but on the other side you must recognize that there exists a big criticism of the small and responsible workers excluding criticism of the regime..." (emphasis mine)
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>>401934 not stalin's fault

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Hungarian Thread for /voros/ refugees Anonymous 11/06/2019 (Wed) 08:21:01 No. 117378 [Reply] [Last]
Második felvonás!
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Egyébként bennfentes anon elmesélné, miért "ex-techvállalkozó" ez a figura? A cikkei alapján eléggé hiányozhat neki ez a szerep, megint sikerült kiszarnia magából egy cikket ahol cégalapításra buzdítja a prolikat.
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>magyarországon még az antifasiszták is antikommunisták
>>341905 A ratkó ritkító csak öregeket öl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us-zqIfcmmw Jó gyakorlatok == Good praxis???

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/ita/ - Spaghetti Communism Comrade 08/09/2019 (Fri) 15:54:13 No. 19862 [Reply] [Last]
Forse 8chan è definitivamente morto. Proprio pochi giorni dopo che stavo cominciando a pensare di ritornare a effortpostare, ecco che un paio di /pol/tardati ammeregani si danno allo sport preferito da quelle parti e ora quel sito sembra diventato la fonte di tutti i mali del mondo. Col risultato che hanno purgato anche il nostro bel filo. E vabè. Si chiude una porta, si apre un portone. Raccogliamoci qui e ricominciamo.
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Well, full lockdown now. Every non-strategic non-essential workplace will close down. Except those in smartworking of course. >>384343 Italy is not very humid right now. >>384311 >. it is simply about age and chance on what demographics the virus happens to spread (ie. most likely from a chinese tourists who came from wuhan) In case of Italy it was some German dude who infected a dumbass that spread it all over northern Italy. >>384372 My hands are chapped from washing too much. Luckily I got some cream for it.
How is Italian civil society coping with this so far? Are there any political consequences brewing? Any angry people? What is the mood of the public? Over here in the U.S., fear and panic are slowly setting in. Lots of rumors about martial law and full lockdowns, supposed sightings of military convoys, strategically important businesses are handing out letters of passage to their employees in anticipation, the Dept. of Justice is making quiet moves to try to suspend habeas corpus, mass layoffs (Goldman Sachs predicted 2.2 million unemployment claims this week alone). Ammunition is sold out almost everywhere or subject to severe price-gouging. My local gun store had a line through the door. You can feel it in the air.
>>385250 We're doing alright...for now. This thing's gonna take a heavy toll on our economy and we've no strong communist party.
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'RONA NON PERDONA 18 >>377537 Grazie. Certi "governatori" vanno rimossi d'urgenza. Ormai è chiaro come siano un pericolo e basta e un governo con un minimo di polso gli avrebbe mandato i nocs. Invece, ancora qui a perdere tempo con stronzate contraddittorie e pure a ricevere i tre piccoli porcellini delle "opposizioni unite". >>383723 More than 6000 dead More than 50000 infected More than 7000 recovered Almost 5000 healthcare workers infected 19 doctors dead >>383856 I don't think it makes sense trying to separate the two. I mean, maybe there were some terminally ill people for cancer that got the 'rona on top of that but I think it's splitting hair at this point. >>384017

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Permaculture Anonymous 12/15/2019 (Sun) 01:53:45 No. 161914 [Reply] [Last]
The practice and principles of Permaculture are one of the most important tools for not only creating a sustainable socialism, but also for repairing the damage done to the global ecosystem by capitalism, and lessening your individual reliance on the current capitalist system.
Permacultural practice and socialism are two very powerful allies, and learning about permaculture should be necessity for modern socialists and communists.
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https://permacultureguidebook.org/complete-guidebook/ Here's a really good freely distributed book, by the way
>>398391 I recommend starting with mint. It's almost impossible to kill.
>>399828 Can confirm. Accidentally sprayed my patch with ll-purpose weed and pest killer (it was years ago, don't judge me). The mint revived itself after a heavy rain.
Any recommendations for some easy crops to plant now in Scandinavia? The weather has been pretty mild and no frost is on the horizon. I've thought about carrots, potatos and maybe onions.
>>402174 I think you can do amaranth(which can be harvested as a grain), quinoa, jerusalem artichoke, barley, breadroot, nettles, rhubarb, Wu Wei Zi, asparagus, garlic, serviceberries. I don't actually know if any of these can be planted now or if they'll grow where you are, but I THINK they'll be hardy where you are. Just kinda go over them.

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Anonymous 03/28/2020 (Sat) 07:19:55 No. 402016 [Reply] [Last]
Good night Shitposters Good night Jannies Good night mods Don't stay up late
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Good nite fren
>>402016 Ok incel
>>402025 >sleeping is for incels What?
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>>402016 stop masturb8ing, go to sleep


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