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the poor die young Anonymous 09/21/2020 (Mon) 20:18:32 No. 889235 [Reply] [Last]
What validity, if any, is there to the idea that the reason older people are more right winged/reactionary on the whole is because poorer people and marginalized people who would be more inclined to the left, die younger? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUbMWtUyIIE
I don't think the effect would be measurable. I think that, especially in America, anti communist propaganda was just so god damn influential and the ruling ideology had/has such a grip during the cold war that this was inevitable. Hell, a lot of the most outspoken lefties in the U.S. were still anti soviet at the time, and a lot the ones who survived are going full liberal in their old age. It's really just a case of a whole cultural sphere being brainwashed combined with the fact that for a lot of the masses in the west during the cold war capitalism did seem good. They lived comfortably, their needs were met. When the material conditions are acceptable enough, it's pretty easy to get the people on the side of the ruling class, especially if a threat like communism galvanizes the porkies to set aside any conflicting interests they may have to keep the system in place.

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Opinions on Peter Sloterdijk? Anonymous 09/14/2020 (Mon) 15:51:51 No. 867477 [Reply] [Last]
I know he's considered the more reactionary of the post-modernists but whats your thoughts?
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>>868103 >>867593 Calling him pretentious is just lazy, it does not address what he's saying. Like OP I want to know what his philosophical ideas actually are, even if I already know beforehand that I'll disagree. It's strategically retarded to ignore what your enemy is saying with the excuse that he doesn't have an ideology anyway, "he's just pretending". What's his ideology? Why is this man obsessed with spheres so much? Btw, he did write "critique of cynical reason", which afaik is regarded as a great book by leftist academics. But nowadays everyone says spheres are his magnum opus. I have a feeling that he masturbates over prefect and closed self-contained systems, that his utopia is the world itself becoming such a system - "globe" as the ultimate sphere. But this is just a guess, I don't know what I'm talking about.
>>869830 No, I mean, I don't disagree with you that his stuff might be important, I just don't care about it enough to bother. Like I barely manage to read left theory, why the hell would I use my limited concentration with this guy? Someone on a similar milieu that I found quite useful was Byung Chul-Han, which, despite being an heideggerian existentialist/neo-foucaultian, has some interesting ideas to engage with (such as burnout society), and his books are delightfully short. I'm sure some people have dealt with Sloterdijk, and frankly I'll just leave it to them to discuss him.
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>Sloterdijk expanded upon the idea of “planetary co-immunism”, referring to the need to "share the means of protection even with the most distant members of the family of man/woman" when faced with shared threats such as pandemics.
>>867477 not a dumbass
>>867477 I've only read "critique of cynical reason" , and it is one of my favorite books, you can get zizeks use of his point in what he means by enlightened false consciousness, but it doesn't stick as well until you've slogged through Pete's cynicism. sure he makes a lot of poor mis-characterizations of marx and communism, but if you need someone to spoon feed you comfort food, then you get the shitty outdated margism you deserve. I'm not interested in reading any of his other works, but I can't recommend the critique highly enough to anyone and everyone I've talked to about related matters. Also, If you like Diogenes at all, or those akin to Diogenes throughout history, you will not be disappointed.

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I am not implanting a SIM card in my fucking skull but I may have no other choice Anonymous 08/29/2020 (Sat) 05:10:15 No. 817253 [Reply] [Last]
I'm sure that everybody is aware of Elon Musk and his epic narwhal bacon redditor escapades. Recently, he has debuted a device that can both track and apply apply stimuli directly onto the nervous system. The results of the reveal have been predictable. The comments on the video are filled with an army of the iPhone bonded, normalfag, wealthy lords of the Walmart/Gamestop combo store that inhabit Reddit. The threads are all oggling at how futuristic and useful the device is, with a few comments about how this is like their cool cinematic cyberpunk video game. The described reactions above detail the process of manufacturing consent. A malleable and easily manipulated class of professional "intellectuals" are guided towards a conclusion by the financial powers that be. Be it through laziness or aligning interests, the managerial class parrots the ideas of a very small elite while squawking orders and mimicking the voice of a silent majority. The ideas in this case being reddit memes and metal things that are to be put in your brain, you are forced to accept this narrative.
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>>888884 yeah, not sure if it holds water in practice but i always thought the open-source people can very easily be fellow travelers; not every github user is an ancap imbecile, so reaching that audience can net some comrades
>>888896 Yes, a lot of what Stallman preaches is pure idealism, but the principles behind the Free Software Movement are very much in line with communism, and Stallma himself has openly espoused socialist beliefs, and even worked with Venezuela. Regarding OPSEC and proprietary software, it is important to be able to see what your software is actually doing. Everybody should be using some distribution of Linux with full disk encryption, and a VPN, DNS over HTTPS, tor, proxies, or s combination of them, especially when communicating with comrades or engaging in any sort of direct action. I am equally concerned with the culture war nonsense as well.
>>817253 The chip detects when you are looking at a campaign ad from 'candidate A' and triggers waves of nausea , and if you watch a campaign ad from 'candidate B' it triggers a large release of serotonin and dopamine. Perfect manufactured consent and electoral manipulation through operant conditioning.
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>>817253 Cute Rat. Poor Thing. :(
>>886644 Yep. I am full skeptical when it comes to anything Musk. I'm still surprised Tesla is still a thing.

left unity thread Anonymous 09/20/2020 (Sun) 16:10:58 No. 885226 [Reply] [Last]
ITT: left unity memes
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>>888558 Feel free to argue any time.
>>885850 ultra based >>886486 we on leftypol hate each other but on the other hand are glad for this nice inclusive space of free speech we got going on and out of principle we are all welcome and let rigorous debate and cheeky banter sort out our differences >>886670 >eco human lives matter >>887123 also based >>887240 people's temple gang? >>888203 >>888595 >>888528 see, now we have unity. that's the thing, we unite with certain people on certain issues and do not unite on others. unite when its right.
>>885850 You meme about it but they exist https://twitter.com/AnarkoStalin1
>>888713 >>eco >human lives matter Indeed, that's why we leverage an understanding of our biology and ecological situation in the vast feedback loops of life on Earth that hold us up. >>889208 Good one, but the dude even states that he's an ancom in his unironic bio, the kid just thinks being an anti-imperialist is somehow atypical, being completely ignorant of the major branch of anarcho-communism called platformism.
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DoJ recognizes Portland and NY and anarchist Jurisdictions Anonymous 09/21/2020 (Mon) 19:06:59 No. 889004 [Reply] [Last]
Alright so BLM and antifa just got exactly what they wanted. US federal government cedes control of MAJOR US cities. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-identifies-new-york-city-portland-and-seattle-jurisdictions-permitting What now?
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>>889021 Now I think of it, are you the guy who sages every post and misunderstands even the simplest of things?
>>889047 You saged too
>>889029 >pls mr feds don't throw us Californians into the briar patch, anything but that!
>Cut funding So this literally means they will become police states. No federal gibs means a need for alternate taxation, means a draconian police force that is tasked with maximising the amount of people that are fined.

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Micahel Roberts confirms socialism by 2050 Anonymous 09/20/2020 (Sun) 18:37:37 No. 885591 [Reply] [Last]
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2020/09/20/more-on-a-world-rate-of-profit/ >So will the rate of profit eventually fall to zero and what does that mean? Well, if the current rate of secular fall in the G20 economies continues, it is going to take a very long time to reach zero – well into the next century! Among the G7 economies, however, if the average annual fall in profitability experienced in the last 20 years or so is continued, then the G7 rate will reach zero by 2050. Fresh take from Michael Roberts, world rate of profit to hit 0 by 2050. However he leaves us an important warning. >But of course, there could be a new period of revival in the rate of profit, probably driven by the destruction of capital values in a deep slump and by a severe restriction on labour’s share of value by reactionary governments. Preventing WWIII needs to be a critical goal of communists around the world.
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>>888447 >literally all the cops and soldiers of the entire world will turn to fascism, kill and die to defend capitalism, because they're braindead barbarians. what the fuck are you talking about. idealism, sending military into futile battles will cause mutinies.
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>>885591 These numbers also confirm it:
>>888345 It'd be difficult because foreigners aren't allowed in if they're a member of a communist party
>> 888942 Holy shit source? Is this a practice of some states? Where can I find out more about this? Is the US the lone exception?

German Q supporters Anonymous 09/13/2020 (Sun) 17:52:10 No. 865090 [Reply] [Last]
Other than the US Deutschland has the most Q supporters. what the fuck is wrong with them? I expected burgers to be this retarded but the KRAUTS? german-anons, what the fuck is wrong with your countrymen?
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>>865797 monkeys and typewriters
>Thread about Germany >90% of posts are shitposting about Americans every time
>>865195 >rule-obsessed freaks You say this as if it's a bad thing. Ehre sei der DDR. Proletarier aller Länder, vereinigt Euc!
>>865100 *16% of americans, 20% of adults over 50 :^)
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>>865127 >2.6k followers >>865124 here's the pic

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Imagination thread Anonymous 09/21/2020 (Mon) 11:05:42 No. 887839 [Reply] [Last]
Like Mark Fisher said, we have to invent the future. Let's start imagining. Let's stop talking about how to get there, and start talking about what it will look like, not to find an idealized version of how it should look as Marx would rebuke as being idealist and Fourierist, but rather to get ideas, glimpses, of arrangements of material reality from which we be able to salvage gadgets or technologies that can be built now to help us. Because building things takes work. For instance, if we need tractors, like we do need, we need free and open source or in other words proletarian and communally owned schematics for tractors and schematics for all the dependencies of tractors like metal forges. Let's start imagining what we'll truly need and imagining technologies that can help
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Without intellectual property there would be no onlyfans
>>888298 >Without intellectual property there would be no onlyfans intellectual property is sexist ?
>>888298 Yes there would, it would just work like Cameo where they took requests.
>>887864 ouch, that one hurt
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>>887864 100/10 god damn

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im fucked ell 09/21/2020 (Mon) 03:35:03 No. 887259 [Reply] [Last]
I have lost all hope in my family. They all just piddle about with their conspiracy theories and don't pay attention to the truth. They call me names because I say that communist countries are actually good. Even my formerly lib sister has joined in on their game. Any hope?
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The american oedipal complex becomes politics since American cuckold men will bow down to institutional figures. Literally I hate my father but I hate his father even more. Yet I ain't gonna do shit. The only solution is illegalism, crime is the only liberating act and the only way to "kill your father" https://youtu.be/167MXPjYskA
You should be proud, some say making your own dynastie is greater than being born into a already existing one
do not engage with family.
have you tried not being a communist
>>887259 >muh family Why are they relevant?

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Most retarded anti-ltv arguments Anonymous 09/18/2020 (Fri) 20:35:04 No. 879790 [Reply] [Last]
I'll go first >future money >investors >a job is voluntary
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>>888668 Not really invested in this conversation. Just popping in to tell you this: Wage labor and capital, and value price and profit, are really short. You can also search The Marxist Project and Hakim on youtube. It helps to understand theory to btfo it. I have never found an intellectually honest debunking of Marx.
>>888670 >imagine thinking this is a good thing
>>888418 Ok anon what country do you live in

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